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Stern's Star Wars Fall of the Empire Pinball
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Scott and Josh go over the new Star War pinball machine by Stern. From sticker art to interesting gameplay, they cover it all.
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Transcript
Introductions and Podcast Plans
00:00:07
Speaker
Thanks for tuning in to the Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. I am Josh Roop. With me, my co-captain, as always. Scott Larson. And Scott, it is it Star Wars Day or New Pin Day. Well, I guess we're a couple days. Yeah, it's it's week. we're yeah we're We're a little late, but we were trying to organize a an interview with John Borg, which we are hoping to get in the future.
00:00:29
Speaker
ah We it didn't line up with his schedule and ours, so we were planning on doing that in the future, but we figured we want to jump on and give you our thoughts. It was a game of cat mouse for like three weeks, dude.
00:00:39
Speaker
And it's just. Okay. And Borg is great. He, it's really hard to get. to It's actually been super lucky for us to get the, the designers quickly on game day, the last couple of releases, because they are so busy because they are on the line. They're testing all these things.
00:00:57
Speaker
And to, to sync the schedules really has been a Herculean effort.
Game Releases and Industry Updates
00:01:02
Speaker
we know that Borg is spending a lot more time and possibly having another game coming out. So it's, ah it does take a lot of effort to sync things this time.
00:01:12
Speaker
Well, to that point, right? Like, so typically the the game cycles anywhere from about 15 to 18 months, depending on when they signed on it, that schedule might be, you know, zoomed up like in the case of X-Men.
00:01:26
Speaker
But if you really think about it, Metallica released not even 11 months ago. right Now we have Star Wars, and the rumor is Walking Dead with Borg on it. That's three games.
00:01:37
Speaker
That's three games in one year, in a 12-month span. So ah yeah, he's he's stretched a little thin. i might yeah We know nothing about next month's game. we we We don't. And it's been... I guess that's the longstanding rumored game.
00:01:52
Speaker
But yeah either way, but I'm... you know, hopefully it'll be something. longer I think that's been longer rumored than star Wars has, man. That's it's been, it's been rumored for a while.
00:02:04
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. I mean, I, know that, uh, the, the one that was widely predicted was Metallica. Yeah. Yeah. and True. Um, but if you want a star Wars premium or a pro or an Ellie, don't even know if they have any Ellie's left. Uh, you can always ask, but yeah, yeah you can always ask, uh,
00:02:22
Speaker
Zach Nicholmany at flipping out. They now got Greg bone and Ken Cromwell on the team. And if you haven't been listening to their podcast, definitely go subscribe to that. It's good. It's really good. It's a, there's no, um it's funny. Cause I looked at the word chill the other day and it's really weird because she'll means that you're trying to push a product by pretending you're not pushing the product. what saying? Like,
00:02:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And so it's not really fair. And of course, so like they're not really shilling through the podcast. That's not what it is. Cause they don't actually really talk about flipping out at all. It's just kind of Greg and Ken stream of thought. And it's been really good so far, but if you want to buy that game, get ahold of Zach, tell him loser kid sent. Yeah.
00:03:03
Speaker
And yeah, man, they've what Star Wars. ja They're only doing one more run of Jaws 50th, I was told here in December. And they're calling it quits for Jaws 50th.
00:03:13
Speaker
And then get on the list for Walking Dead. Maybe. I don't
Personal Stories and Business Ventures
00:03:17
Speaker
know. ah I also got the Cactus Canyon upgrade kit. So yeah i I got that. I haven't been able to install it yet.
00:03:25
Speaker
So hopefully be able to get an an installation thing and then some gameplay down for you guys. Yeah, definitely. um So yeah, let's, let's, let's talk Star Wars. It's the big hot thing right now.
00:03:36
Speaker
So we did, obviously we did not make it to media day. I think a lot of our decision was based off of the fact we're going to be there next month at expo. yeah It's also a little challenging. ah My schedule is, is set for months in advance. And so that's true. Yeah. i Being able to take a last minute trip, I was on call at the hospital, so I, it's it's hard to swap schedules that quickly.
00:03:59
Speaker
And to get coverage, we're pretty tight staffing wise. So we, I couldn't do it. Josh has been super busy with his business. Oh yeah. By the way, ah day we were supposed I was supposed to fly out to Chicago to see star Wars.
00:04:11
Speaker
I now own a business. I was in yeah a meeting room with lawyers instead of out in Chicago. In a good way. Josh basically just took, took over the business that he's already doing and he's doing an excellent job yeah and planning on going down to St. George to tune up
Star Wars Franchise Insights
00:04:26
Speaker
my stuff. So that's, that's right down there.
00:04:28
Speaker
My wife's got crazy ideas in her head. Well, maybe we should just go all the way to to California and get on a cruise. i'm like, um have fun. Yeah. Yeah. Slow the roll. Yeah. Um, yeah. So that's, um, yeah. So star Wars, um,
00:04:44
Speaker
Okay. So here's the big question. Yeah. Well, here's the big question. um So why? Like, why are we getting another Star Wars? And Josh, I'm going to toss it to you and get your thoughts and then I'll, I'll give you my thoughts.
00:04:58
Speaker
I mean, it's an evergreen license. It's one of the top selling merchandise licenses. mean, there's a reason Disney bought it up at what was it? Four or $5 billion dollars or something like that. $4 billion. dollars It's because it makes money. It's from 1977. The funny part is, though, I'm starting to run into the generation where they just don't watch Star Wars. like It's not.
00:05:19
Speaker
Maybe it's like slowly dying off. Maybe it never will.
Marketing and Merchandise
00:05:22
Speaker
it's just It's very interesting to me. i was i was talking with our group earlier about this. It's really weird to me that they did a Costco run of the Home Edition.
00:05:31
Speaker
And then they released this. And someone had pointed out, you know, Costco has amazing marketing. If you've never looked at like the social channels of Costco and stuff like that, there's whole content creation with millions and millions of followers dedicated to Costco.
00:05:46
Speaker
So it's amazing that they got this in front of that. It's essentially showing the product without showing the product, right? And then they don't have to sell it for a cheaper price at Costco because you've got to meet that. ah So it was a great...
00:05:58
Speaker
Kickstarter to this run. I guess it was all pre-planned. I don't know. Overall, i find it interesting. I think the, I think it's not over saturation. Maybe it is. The problem is it's like star Wars.
00:06:12
Speaker
It seems like everywhere star Wars that's been made has been made for the general public, which is fine. Like you definitely, you have a, you have a great merchandise product. That's going to move units. You've been having a, I'm not saying starts having a hard time moving units, but some of the stuff I would say has fallen flat lately.
00:06:28
Speaker
It's either done really well or it's fallen flat, right? And so to have a product like so Star Wars to help push you through the next year and have that, it's going to have a long tail, right? Like it's going to keep making sales and making sales. And think, did I answer your question, Scott? cause now I feel like I'm rambling.
00:06:43
Speaker
Well, and you're you're getting to the essence of it in that um Star Wars is something that almost every man, I bump the camera again, I need to get a better mount. ah The...
00:06:56
Speaker
The general public who are buying things for their home, you know, the, the arcade, you know, the, the home arcade that people are buying, they want to, a ah theme that connects with people. And most of the time, these are their family type games.
00:07:11
Speaker
So you're going to choose something that is at least has a general family connection. I would say the top mark, like merchandising titles out there that people always recognize.
00:07:26
Speaker
The top three would be Star Wars. Yep. Harry Potter. Yep. um Marvel. So some sort of Marvel thing, right?
00:07:38
Speaker
Pokemon. Okay, and i know you yeah I know you've got a hot and bad for Pokemon. It's fine. No, I got a hot and bad for Zelda, and Pokemon better succeed so that Nintendo's like, hey hey, there's something here.
00:07:51
Speaker
We better get Mario and Zelda in the pipeline. And I know i know there's listeners out there because we've had this discussion. there is ah There's a craving for Mario, Zelda, and for some odd reason,
Gaming Fandoms and Star Wars Pinball Analysis
00:08:02
Speaker
Fallout.
00:08:02
Speaker
i I didn't know this was a thing. like I enjoy playing the game, but I didn't realize there was such a love For fall, do you know how many people have told me they're already in like day one of fallout Ellie? If this is all true on a rumor, I don't even know what fallout is.
00:08:18
Speaker
It's a game, right? Yes. Yes. It's a computer game. That's been around for like 30 plus years. They go and shoot people or something like that. Or yeah, it's post-apocalyptic. You're, you're trying to survive RPG based.
00:08:31
Speaker
Yeah. Stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. Okay. However, However, I will point out, okay, now Josh needs a towel off because he just talked about Pokemon and his Zelda fascination. Why do you make it sound like i have this hot and heavy for the Pokemon?
00:08:45
Speaker
Pokemon is something my kids really, really love, okay? Sure. So it's just something like. Sure, you do it for the kids. I can name the first 151, okay? But I can't name the 900 and whatever is after that or 1,000 after that. There's the 151 Pokemon?
00:09:00
Speaker
The original, now there's 1,000 plus from all the ones they've added. Wow. I can name Han, Luke and Leah. um Okay. But basically you're, you're looking at things that my generation that are setting up arcades, like that they're going to go in and they're going to want to get connection with you. Yes.
00:09:20
Speaker
And yes, I'm, I'm in my fifties. They definitely want things that will connect to the forties and thirties and all that kind of stuff too. But this title will always connect with my generation and you definitely want that available all the time.
00:09:34
Speaker
So, The fact that they they ended the first one, but rebooted it does not surprise me at all. It doesn't surprise me because when people search for Star Wars, ah then they're going to pull up these games.
00:09:51
Speaker
And I even had a local small dealer reach out to me he said, hey, what do you think about this? And I said, i I have a feeling that a lot of the people who really wanted Star Wars probably already have one, but it will be a long tale.
00:10:06
Speaker
I bet all of the avatars have already been sold. I bet all of the John Wicks have already been sold. like Very few people are going to call and say, hey, I want that.
00:10:18
Speaker
But there will be people who will annually just continually call in and say, hey, what do you got? and You're like, well, I've got a Star Wars. They're like, oh, okay, I know that one. So coming out with a new version of it, and I suspect the reason why they went with the fall of the Empire was because they needed to differentiate it like licensing wise from the other one, because otherwise you're going to get people who are confused about, Hey, I saw a star Wars game and I bought a star Wars game and it wasn't the same star Wars game.
Game Design Challenges and Innovations
00:10:53
Speaker
Um, so I, I'm suspecting that that's kind of what they were getting into. Now. I also get that there is the home edition, but I don't think anyone's going to mistake a home edition because it doesn't actually have a, uh, you know, an arcade setup, uh, to use it.
00:11:09
Speaker
But, uh, it totally makes sense that they would figure out a way to continue this title. Do you think it was a mistake or an asset to continue along with basically the original story?
00:11:26
Speaker
Oh, I think it was 100% the best thing to do. Okay. um I think that... i think rehashing... Not rehashing. I think that's the most iconic of the Star Wars. I think it's when you think Star Wars, you think Luke, Leia, Han.
00:11:44
Speaker
um You know, i i think... The first one through three, when I was a teenager and they came out, they were very.
00:11:57
Speaker
Diversive at the time, like, you know, obviously number one was, you know, Jar Jar. do you mean divisive? Divisive. Sorry. Okay. Uh, divisive ah because obviously four and five was made for more of, uh,
00:12:14
Speaker
may not adults. It was definitely de geared to like older teens, younger adults, right? And then 6 was geared towards we need to appeal to a younger audience. That's why they were on the Ewoks and stuff like that.
00:12:26
Speaker
yeah And I felt like 1 tried to pick up on what they were doing in 6. And yeah, I just, I think if you want to reach that older demographic that has the money in their pockets, like like I guarantee, the the demographic is 35 65 white male and that's all within star wars range right sure that's true so i just i think it's it's thing it's right here's my other thought too on that um i don't know this for a fact i don't i've never sat down with the designers that we are totally speculating at this point by the way we haven't interviewed we haven't interviewed john and i would never ask this
00:13:05
Speaker
on the podcast, so please don't ask me to ask this to the designers. But I half wonder if there is a commission that is paid towards the design teams for making these games.
00:13:16
Speaker
And you would rather make a new game with a designer that's still at Stern? Or you see what i'm saying? Like, especially if you're about Star Wars is going to move a lot of units.
00:13:28
Speaker
So why would you be paying that to a designer that no longer works at Stern? and works for a competitor. Just, just a thought. And I could be entirely wrong. They might not pay commission. Yeah. yeah We know nothing about their contracts, but that, that, that would at least make sense.
00:13:41
Speaker
I would, i would have a feeling that it's more of a refresh opportunity for star Wars. yeah The last star Wars that came out was polarizing.
00:13:53
Speaker
ah It was polarizing because the plunge was you were in danger right from the start. And so there's a lot of people who hate that. And if you go up and you, in your first plunge goes directly out the left out lane, then there are going to be people like, what? Like I paid $2 for this and I'm not going to, ah you know, I don't want play it again.
00:14:14
Speaker
um I think it's just more of a refresh opportunity. Because that the game, it was okay, but the the coolest ah feature, that was the Hyperloop, was only on the the Premium and the LE.
00:14:29
Speaker
ah The ramp that went up to the the Death Star was challenging. It had the fork that kept up kept ah doing a lot of ball rejects, and ah it just didn't feel like it nailed it.
00:14:43
Speaker
This seems like a way of trying to fix those the issues that they had with the first one, but also still keep with the same material. And I think all those all those people who bought those Star Wars already bought those.
00:14:59
Speaker
This gives an opportunity to swap out, maybe get a different one, maybe get a better one. And so that I think that's why this is going on. but the other thing too is because we always you ask like which which series do you go with so right now you could fill your whole basement with star wars machines there's been eight made that's including like the holden one which i know is like super rare or strikes back down in uh in australia yeah yeah yeah but here's the thing every single one of these games outside of star wars episode one have followed the original trilogy
00:15:37
Speaker
yeah So there must be something to it. And maybe, maybe it's a superstition thing because Gomez and Eddie and Dwight all worked at Valley Williams working on star Wars episode one and they saw how it was received.
00:15:52
Speaker
Yeah. And that may that's another reason, too. They're yeah, we'll never do Star Wars Episode I. Just a thought process. But I agree with you. It is a good refresh. Here's the thing, though. like Every time they make a Star Wars, have you ever noticed it's like, i don't want to say it's like the easiest layout. Obviously, the plunge on Richie's was but super annoying.
00:16:08
Speaker
But they're all fan layouts. like They're all kind of geared towards bringing people into the hobby. So do you think this is an opportunity to refresh the the the player database of who owns pinball?
Impact of Design on Players: Is it Accessible?
00:16:23
Speaker
Yeah, i absolutely. when When you have a game like this, you want it to be, you probably want to be a longer player because you want people, you're going catch people who have very casual acquaintance with pinball and you want something that actually has longer ball times so people can see a little bit more of the game.
00:16:47
Speaker
If you have something like, for example, The Walking Dead, that is a different scenario in that you kind of expect it to be even just the theme. You're thinking it's going to be a little more brutal.
00:17:00
Speaker
yeah You don't think it's going to be a baby game, as ah as Nick likes to call them. ah But yeah, this definitely does feel a little bit like that, you know, kind of the medieval madness type thing where it's accessible to all.
00:17:14
Speaker
Probably the elite players may or may not be interested, um but there are ways of making it accessible and challenging. And you can look at Metallica. Metallica is a fan layout, right?
00:17:26
Speaker
But it can be a brutal game, can be, but it also has some bash elements. When I'm looking at this layout, Um, like I, I don't really see it. Am I missing the bash? Josh, is there a bash in this?
00:17:42
Speaker
I think the up the center ramp. So it's, it's like, it's, it's a jump ramp. Yeah. And you hit the wall. A hyperspace ramp. Yeah. And then on the Death Star, the Death Star is also kind of like a bash toy. You got to hit the ah ship to open it to lock the balls.
00:17:55
Speaker
Okay. So so that there is a little element maybe of, you know, kind of like ah Attack from Mars. mean, there's a stand-up underneath the at-at too. I don't know if you count that as a bash toy. I don't think you do.
00:18:07
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. So here's a question. John called it the AT-AT. Do you call it an AT-AT or do you call it the at-at? Uh, I'm pretty for sure. It's called the, uh, I remember there was this some kind of like commerce. I want to say it was like big bang theory where they had Georgia Lucas on and they actually like settled this as a joke.
00:18:22
Speaker
Oh, really? i'm perfect Cause I used to call an ATAT cause I'm like, that's what they are. I always called it an ad app. Yeah. They're called it. So that's what I always called it. Yeah. Yeah. That's from the creator. And maybe you don't want to go with the creator anyway. Cause it's George Lucas.
00:18:34
Speaker
I don't know, but yeah, it's called an app app from what I understand. Okay. All right. all but Yeah. So it it does, it kind of has a little bit of that, uh, kind of a attack for Mars vibe, right?
00:18:48
Speaker
Where it's the stuff straight up the middle is, is a little more dangerous. And then I see Austin powers, dude. Like this is a mirrored Austin powers. I could be wrong. I could be. okay Okay.
00:19:00
Speaker
You told me that before i'm going to look it up right now. You do that right now. Uh, while he's looking that up, um, and granted, like, so they can't actually patent play fields because they like proved like years ago that there's, there's only so many limitations that you have with a play field that like, if you keep creating these, you're going to run into some,
00:19:21
Speaker
stealing of other designs or some similarities, whether you meant to or not. So like, I just, I get that like, some things are going to look the same, but I feel like this is, this is star Wars fall of the Austin powers.
00:19:35
Speaker
Like, okay. Are you calling it the, ah the Austin powers just because it has the, ah the Jabba the Hutt toilet bowl? Well, there is that. okay i've got You've got the up the center shot. It does have the ring the ring from Lord the Rings. so that This doesn't have the ring, right?
00:19:52
Speaker
it's still ah It's still a jump wrap that goes in the back. ah Back behind the whirlybird. don't know what could... Okay. I got the toilet bowl. and like the job of the It is funny because like the way Jabba is sitting on top of that thing, it kind of does look like a toilet. like I don't know what to tell you on that.
00:20:12
Speaker
Uh, if, like I said, if you mirror it, the mini me target is that is the at target. Um, you've got the orbits on the sides. I mean, there's obviously some variation.
00:20:23
Speaker
This was a John Borg layout on Austin powers as well. And it doesn't have the typical board glands on the bottom. Um, but I mean, for the most part, it's very similar to Austin powers in my opinion.
00:20:35
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, he does have the, uh, the two in lanes on the left side, doesn't he? on this one too. Yes. Yes, he does. Yeah. He, he, he loves him some double inlands, but like even the returns on Austin powers are like straight down the sides into the in lanes.
00:20:51
Speaker
Okay. Granted they're clear plastic versus star Wars is metal, but, I, I, I, okay. I, I see what you're saying, but you could also argue that any two flipper layout, uh, has that, has that challenge. Um, and we talked about this, we called them the today, right? We were talking about the, the layout of a fan layout.
00:21:13
Speaker
And even i pointed out the ultimate fan layout would probably be medieval madness or attack from Mars. Right. Yeah. And so we counted that up and how many shots that we ended up getting eight?
00:21:25
Speaker
I think eight with medieval madness. Yeah. And so that's kind of the fan shots you're going to get anyway.
Feedback on Updated Star Wars Pinball
00:21:32
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and you could argue like ACDC is the prime one to bring people into the hobby because it's only got five shots. It's still a fan, but then like it's the shots are a little wider for the five. you know what I'm saying? It does have a cannon. It does have a cannon, which gives you side to side. yeah.
00:21:50
Speaker
So, okay. What do you think? what Okay. What was your first impressions of seeing star Wars? ah My first impressions was it looks like a, an updated version of the Steve Ritchie one in that it had a lot of similar elements and that probably was by design.
00:22:13
Speaker
ah You still have the death star that's in the upper left corner. which yeah was also in the Steve Ritchie design and also in the, in the home design. Right. Yeah. um You do have, it does feel like a more ah in, it seems like the the, the bill of material is bigger on this though. Yeah.
00:22:35
Speaker
ah So it seems like you have like more to see. i still remember a couple of years ago, I went to a local furniture store that actually has some, some pinball machines and,
00:22:46
Speaker
And I walked up and I thought, oh, well, this has the, ah the pin. Cause I hadn't actually had some time to play on the pin and I started playing it. And and then I realized it was actually the pro of the, you know, the, it sounds like, wow, this feels ah little bit like there's something missing.
00:23:04
Speaker
Yeah. So this play field does feel a little bit more ah fleshed out. Right. so Well, it feels more cohesive at the very least. Right. In my opinion. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:14
Speaker
And so, so you have more ah more, there. The ramps are a little more filled out. It doesn't have a hyper ramp, but no, the challenge that we always had with a hyper ramp is the hyper ramp was cool when it was, when you got it going, but it didn't really, didn't do that much really.
00:23:33
Speaker
Well, it felt like you rarely got to it. it's It's the center feature right in the middle of the play field. And it's like, it just, it, it, I don't know if I ever activated it but then again, Yeah, it's been a while since i've played Richie's Star Wars.
00:23:48
Speaker
Yeah, I haven't played it in a long time either. so first impressions, you like this better than Richie's? I would say it's better than Richie's. Yeah, it's it seems like now this is me just looking at it. I haven't actually played it. Yeah. So that's the caveat. well We will return and report when we go to Expo and take a look at it.
00:24:08
Speaker
This seems like it would be a little more fun. I think so. Because it seems like there's just a little bit more there. Yeah. Well, and you've got Ray Day on code and I love you, Dwight.
00:24:21
Speaker
I love, I think Dwight personally, mean, I think Dwight's got some of the coolest code additions to games like rule sets. um I just don't know if they're fully fleshed out and ah like,
00:24:33
Speaker
So the one, the one hard part about Richie's is it feels like it's a flow game rule set with stop and go play because of the way that everything launches into it. Right. And so like you said, we haven't played this yet, but I watched, I watched the the live stream a couple of times over and over and to get a sense of it feels Ray Day is doing a very good job. Like I, I can already see the vision he's going with here.
00:24:56
Speaker
Um, and obviously they still need to flesh them out and whatnot, but, um, I like where the direction is going with this game. And honestly, if you're going to have family out, why not Star Wars?
00:25:10
Speaker
so Yeah. yeah the the channel I agree with you on Dwight's rule sets in that Dwight is... He is one of the deepest thinkers when it comes to trying to orchestrate his rule sets.
00:25:24
Speaker
Yeah. And I love that. I love that. but no I mean, it's great. Dragons and dragons. It was so cool. Perfect. So cool. Yes. He is perfect for that because he really gets into that type of stuff, but I'll, I'll put it this way.
00:25:37
Speaker
If you have some buddies who call you up and bring you over for a game night, There are games that you play that are 30 minutes and there are games that you play that are four or five hours, right?
00:25:49
Speaker
Yeah. And so you probably want Dwight on the ones that you expect to have the the four to five hour type, you know, that immersive thing going on where you're going to be playing. You're gonna explore here. You can go over here.
00:26:04
Speaker
you probably want Ray, and I know Ray could probably do the other stuff too. We haven't seen him design that type stuff. feel like Foo Fighters was very well done. Okay. And granted, I guess you don't play it for an hour. definitely was. You got to the end within about 30 minutes, but still.
00:26:19
Speaker
But it seems like it's ah it's a little bit more kind of a ah straightforward accessibility thing. And Ray, I'm guessing, is is shooting for that a little bit more on this game.
00:26:32
Speaker
ah one of the challenges with the other star Wars games, I felt that the rule sets were a little hard to understand. Yeah, that's true as well. Um, you know, you want to, one of the first things that point i first impression wise, I just, I looked at this and was like, oh please, please. No, uh,
00:26:55
Speaker
ah the art. And I know like it, it Look at this play
Generational Appeal and Competitive Play
00:27:01
Speaker
field. You've got it pulled up, right? oh yeah, I got pulled up. I mean, come on. Like, it looks like stickers.
00:27:07
Speaker
It looks like you you you did an iconic scene with Luke and Vader. Awesome. Yeah. then you, like, sticker booked all over it. But what's even absolutely worse is on the LE on the side rails. Yeah.
00:27:21
Speaker
they've cut it out. It looks like little stickers next to the buttons. And I get you used artists that were Disney slash star Wars approved. Yeah. And so this is what you get. Cause they don't design and pinball. And they're like this, this will do.
00:27:36
Speaker
So I just, why did we not get Randy Martinez on it? He killed it on the comic book edition. Like he just did fantastic and did a little more cohesiveness to it. I'm just like, look, look at the center play field.
00:27:49
Speaker
Yeah. It just, it doesn't look like there's much going on here besides the fact they're looking at Vader and Luke fighting with the Emperor in the background. Yeah, you got the five lights in the middle and you've got whatever is above their head. I know that lights up as well, but literally like the LEDs outside of the inlates and stuff really don't start till you start hitting the ramps more than halfway up the game.
00:28:10
Speaker
It just, why? Like it just, I get like there's probably the hands were tied at Stern and, and this is what was approved through Disney. And when you're, when you're not, how do I put this?
00:28:25
Speaker
Stern's obviously baking the cake, but it's really weird when they bring in other chefs that don't really have to talk. May they do talk with Stern? I guess I'm talking on a turn and I'm, I'm saying stuff that like I can't confirm, but it it just feels like when you have someone in house, it's a lot more cohesive versus when you bring in people from outside.
00:28:42
Speaker
Okay, i'll i'll I'll make an argument to defend the choices. Okay, look. So if you look at the art package, ah the design and the way it's set up, it's actually very 1981, 1982. So if you bought Wars games back then,
00:29:04
Speaker
so if you bought star wars games back then That is actually the, the, the font that you would get and with the double bar thing that goes all the way around. If you were to buy, and I know that I know I've said this dismissively for art in the past, but if you were to buy a lunchbox with empire strikes back on it, you would get this back box because it is, it is an artistic representation of the battle of Hoth and it looked, it actually looks really good.
00:29:36
Speaker
Now, the reason why it's that is because i think they're going for that like 1981, maybe the Empire Strikes Back vibe. And if you look at the art, it's kind of emulating that a little bit.
00:29:51
Speaker
And so i I would say that you may or may not like it, but I would submit to you that it is specific.
00:30:03
Speaker
And so it's it's an accurate representation of the era that these games came out. Yeah. And like i said, I guess I'm just used to modern day and pinball where it feels like things are more cohesive.
00:30:15
Speaker
um But this could be, again, a more straightforward thing. If you look at the play, the late, sorry, the play field, it lights up a lot more like a medieval madness.
00:30:28
Speaker
yeah Because you have the stacked lights that are going up the different shots. And I guarantee that for someone who's new to pinball, who's trying to figure things out, that that is a huge advantage to be able to say, hey, that is the ladder you're trying to climb with that shot.
00:30:47
Speaker
So if you have things that are a little bit more challenging, I mean, if Iron Maiden behind me, for example, it's not as straightforward as to what what you do to to hit things.
00:30:58
Speaker
True, but that's Keith's first game. like Let's compare it to King Kong. like At least I know the climb arrows are specifically for climbing and because they say climb.
00:31:10
Speaker
Sure. and I get it. This feels like it is really trying to be the game for all ages. Like, you know, this is, this is definitely the, the old all, you know we're bringing in all players.
00:31:26
Speaker
And so I'll be interested to see how the competition players, you know, let's talk about, let's talk to Tom graph. Let's talk about to Travis Miri. Let's talk to them and, you know, talk to Ray day and figure out, okay, do you see this being in a bank at Pemberg?
00:31:39
Speaker
I so totally wish we could patch them in right now and be like, Tom. but Yeah. Travis. Yeah. Well, okay, but but you see what I'm saying? Because yeah tournament players approach games differently. And we know that that is a huge plus and a minus sometimes to games is that it's it's nearly impossible to design a game for all ah for all genres.
00:32:03
Speaker
like so i can Not genres, I'm like more ability levels. So I am not a top 100 competitive player, but I have played... competitively and I feel like I try to attack a play field from a competitive mindset sometimes um I think competitive players are going to love or hate the the toilet bowl Jabba's toilet bowl because it took so long right But yeah, in single ball, you get up there and it's 10, 15 seconds in that bowl and you're you're just waiting for it to come back.
00:32:34
Speaker
And so to slow the game down, playing down that much, I think is just rough, especially where you can shoot it multiple times. I can't remember a game where you can actually shoot into the bowl.
00:32:45
Speaker
I know like in diner and with cactus Canyon, you plunge into it. So you get it at the very beginning. I can't remember a game where you could actually shoot in the bowl. I know someone's screaming right now at at their earbuds.
00:32:59
Speaker
It's this game. But here is the advantage to the toyable. If you're in a multi-ball, you can stick a couple balls in there, or you can stick at least one ball in there and then start picking stuff off on a single ball play without having to worry about juggling balls.
00:33:11
Speaker
So there's there's like a pro and a con to it as well. Yeah. So I'm sure they have i'm sure they've playtested that to figure out how long that ball how long that ball will stall up there. But okay, so where are where are the pop bumpers in this?
00:33:30
Speaker
So let's talk about that down below, right above the in lanes in out lanes. So, so, uh, danger bumpers. Yeah. Danger bumpers. Okay. So what usually I want to say yes and no, I don't know. I guess we need to play it.
00:33:45
Speaker
I can see, I can see it. Okay. You can see that. I mean, one of them on the left side, that's where the twilight zone bumper was. And they actually had to put like some, some rubbers to prevent people from just, just, uh, popping right out of the, uh, you know, the out lanes.
00:33:59
Speaker
True. But there was like, um, at least three there where this one's just one yeah so okay this one's halfway covered sure but what's usually the purpose with pop bumpers create a little chaos try again i don't know what you're fishing for just tell me okay ah so pop bumpers are to just delay the ball time I think about my nests.
00:34:26
Speaker
Yeah. meant to tell you Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Not a single one, but pop bumper nest. I mean, for the most part, you plunge into the pop bumpers back there and you're like, yay, I get more ball time, but nothing's really happening. Right.
00:34:39
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you're racking up some points as long as that stays in that nest. Okay. Yeah. But it's, it's a stall. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a hand, it's a hand wave. It's a magic trick when you're playing these games.
00:34:49
Speaker
on location where people think they're actually
Game Mechanics Focus: Pop Bumpers
00:34:52
Speaker
doing better than they are yeah because they get the ball up in the pot bumper and it stalls around for 10 seconds okay so how is that different than a funnel true well but the thing with the funnel if you hit it clean it's in there if you go into a pot bumper nest it's not a guarantee it's going to stay in there there's been more times than not that i've seen it go in and shoot right out um I don't know. I feel like there's more randomness and chaos.
00:35:19
Speaker
Yeah, that's a thought. It's just a thought. of it But typically, that was originally why they would put these pop bumper nests in the like yeah these safe areas where you couldn't really. it's not They typically weren't dangerous.
00:35:32
Speaker
ah You mean like on the last Star Wars that Richie did? Because he had a pop bumper nest up there, too. Yeah, well, think about Medieval Madness. Yeah. You get it up there. It's just, it's hiding underneath some ramps.
00:35:43
Speaker
Like there's, there's nothing really useful about the pop bumper. Yeah. Well, outside of, like you said, it can come out in handy during a multi-ball. Right.
00:35:53
Speaker
Because it's stall. It keeps the ball i safe. And so if you put a whole bunch of balls in the funnel and I, I'm sure that Borg thought about this. So there's gotta be a reason why he chose to do the funnel, which is the, i mean, it's thematically consistent, right?
00:36:10
Speaker
Yeah. Because it is supposed the Sarlacc pit. Yeah. Yeah.
Cultural References and Parodies
00:36:15
Speaker
So no, I agree with you. Um, So I think it's really cool that they got C-3PO, Chris Bartlett to do the call outs for this game. I think that's really immersive. I i do enjoy C-3PO. I think he's one of those. So who's that?
00:36:36
Speaker
Chris Bartlett. Okay. So he's not Anthony Daniels. Oh, well, I guess, uh, is he emulating Anthony Daniels? Yes. The game features custom audio call. It's from actor Chris Bartlett as C3PO.
00:36:50
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So, sorry. Yeah. I forgot. I was Anthony Daniels. I did the original. Um, but yeah, I mean, that's fine. Anthony Daniels has to be in his like seventies or eighties by now. Like it definitely would make sense to, to get someone, you know, younger with a little more, uh, uh, animation to his voice.
00:37:07
Speaker
Yeah. True. um I don't know. i I feel like he's one of the more standout characters, ah but he's also like a background narrator.
00:37:18
Speaker
you know what saying? So it makes sense to have him as as your pinball narrator. He's 80 years old. Holy crap, dude. He's 80 in February. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:28
Speaker
So Anthony Daniels, that that would be a lot to get him to do the call outs. Okay. If you think about it, though, it is kind of funny because you can look at Star Wars from the the view of the droids.
00:37:40
Speaker
in that the droids are basically just telling the story that happened around them. Yeah. And if you think, if you think about it, they've kind of gone through the whole thing. True. But then you get that conspiracy theory of like R2T D2 was there and saw the twins born. And like, so obviously he knows everything that's going on. So why did he never relate the information?
00:38:00
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it, it, yeah.
00:38:04
Speaker
yeah dude yeah i just remember number three came out when i was a senior and we all as my english advanced my ap english class we all went to ah revenge of the sith and went and saw it as a class because we watched all of them and they had to break it down uh you know what saying and oh yeah no okay it's totally true and it is funny how it gets retconned a little bit yeah you know so so you're like well like if i I think that I would remember if Darth Vader built me, you know, that, that kind of thing. Yeah.
00:38:36
Speaker
Yep. 100%. Yeah. That's where I'm looking forward to. But it, it does. It totally reminds me of, by the way, it like we're talking the original trilogy. Did you ever read the,
00:38:46
Speaker
um the Mad Magazine version of Return of the Jedi. No, no. I'm sure there's like screenshots of it online. You just have to look. And it was hilarious because even at the end, they kind of were rolling their eyes and they said, you know at the very end, you found out that Han or Luke lu and Leia were brother and sister.
00:39:07
Speaker
and han was like their second cousin and chewbacca was their dog and it was like it was like this this whole inbred hatfield and mccoy thing so I will say when it comes to art, I do like the premium package better than I do the rest.
00:39:24
Speaker
But I think it is a good idea to use the Battle of Hoth as your LE. Even though I don't feel like it was as cohesive as me the other two packages. But I think out of all the original 436, I personally feel like the Battle of Hoth is one of the more iconic scenes and like storytelling moments.
00:39:41
Speaker
Like obviously, you know, the premium package with Vader and Luke fighting, that's, that is a huge part of Empire Strikes Back. But as a kid, like, I think it's really cool that they put the at on the play field.
00:39:53
Speaker
And the loop around the, the ball loops around the at, at, and if you complete the battle Hoff, like you, you, you tie its legs and you destroy it. Right. Like, so to me, i think that's very cool. Conceptual wise, putting that into the game because i like, seriously, like thinking back, I really think battle Hoff is one of my favorite parts of star wars i really think empire strikes back is probably the best star wars album all too okay i think you are mistaken though i you're talking about luke and vader fighting that's the pro backlash correct sorry
00:40:28
Speaker
No, no, no. So if you look at the premium sides, so the side, the premium side is Vader and Luke big on the sides fighting. Okay. i right he is I thought you were talking about the trans light. And so, no, sorry. I apologize.
00:40:39
Speaker
Yeah. The side of the pro is a return of the Jedi, the fight of the Ewoks when they're that moon. Yeah, but the back glass is actually Darth Vader and Luke. Yeah. Yeah. So ah i just I just think it's a brilliant idea with the premium to go that route with with that fight because that is probably the most iconic part.
00:40:58
Speaker
That fight's the return the Jedi, isn't it? Which one? Or fight in front of the Emperor. Yes. In front of the premium, so I apologize. I was thinking of the fight where he loses his hand. Well, I'm looking at... Okay, that's actually...
00:41:12
Speaker
And the fight where he loses his hand is in... It's in Empire Strikes Back, but I think that's the fight. That's the fight where he loses his hand? Okay, I'm looking at it because it looks like it's it looks like a little bit of um an amalgam of two different things.
00:41:26
Speaker
So you have the... yeah the the um On the premium side, that is definitely the the Cloud City. but Yeah, because he has both his hands in that one too. yeah He has both his hands, and he also has the Empire um sweatsuit or jumpsuit or whatever it was. yeah And yeah behind it, you see when Harrison Ford or Han Solo gets frozen in carbonite. Correct.
00:41:51
Speaker
Yeah, and that's that that has to be one of the most iconic parts of all the Star Wars franchises. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Most iconic battle is Hoth and the most iconic... would be the ending of vampire. Like you're saying, where they, they freeze Han and they Luke and Vader fight and you get the whole, i am your father.
00:42:10
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. That's the wrong quote. Do you know what the real quote is? Everyone says I am your father. No. Well, they all say Luke. Oh yeah. He never says Luke. He says, he says no, i am your father. That's what he says. Yeah.
00:42:23
Speaker
yeah So I just, I just knew to cut out Luke cause i knew Luke wasn't said in the sentence. Right. I'm not a nerd like you.
00:42:30
Speaker
That's true. That's true. My wife would argue with you. Hey, hey, hey. Don't make me pull out all my dolls over here, okay? Don't make me to name all. I mean, action figure. 1,092 Pokemon.
00:42:44
Speaker
there's a but Okay, dude. Okay. The fact that you're like out Pokemoning me, I mean, that that's just, that's beyond like nerd. Okay. I don't even know what that is. You grew up in the eighties. So it was, I grew up in the nineties. I can name all like with Star Wars. Nineties was Pokemon.
00:42:58
Speaker
Yeah. All four Ninja Turtles. That's it. I can name the four. There's six. There's not. There is six. No, there's not. They're not real. Okay. Those are crap. No, it's just. ones are crap?
00:43:10
Speaker
The non-four ones. the day The non-four ones. We were going to discount. Michelangelo, Raphael, Leonardo, and the other dude. ah Raphael?
00:43:23
Speaker
I thought I said him. Raphael, Michaelangelo. Yeah. Okay. Those are the four. That's it. Okay. So we're we're discounting Venus de Milo? Yeah.
00:43:34
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. It doesn't exist. What about, uh, I can't remember the other girl's name. I'm not going to lie. She was, she was made in the new comics. I'm sorry. It's like, it's like an add a character thing. It's like, no, I'm sorry. No, just know that the new girl was actually pretty good. Um, okay. I get it, but it's driving okay.
00:43:52
Speaker
It's like saying like, okay, the four members of Motley crew, I know the four members of Motley crew. Don't ask me about the other people who like showed up and spent some time. There's just the four ones. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha.
00:44:06
Speaker
Oh my goodness. We've went off the rails.
Evaluating Pinball Versions: Which is Best?
00:44:08
Speaker
ah But, but then again, Ninja Turtles was 1984 as well. So yeah. Well, and they actually, ah they only, Jenica, Jenica was the other one. Oh gosh.
00:44:17
Speaker
Jenica sounds like a disease that you need a shot for. What? There's Jenicas out there that Okay, Jenny. Jenny for short. Does that make you feel better? yeah Jenny does not sound like a disease.
00:44:29
Speaker
Seriously, that was really good to read. She sounds like she's from the block. She's jenny shiny Jenny from the block. She got stabbed and they had a transfuser with turtle blood and she ended up turning into a turtle. It was awesome. wow. I don't remember that part of the song.
00:44:42
Speaker
you Yeah, J-Lo is actually technically a ninja turtle. She wears yellow. Okay. What are back, back to star Wars? Back. it means Meanwhile, show back to star Wars. Yeah. And it not so far galaxy away.
00:44:56
Speaker
Okay. I do like, okay, let's talk about the pluses though. I do like that. um The wire forms. I, the wire forms look so good and I understand why, why they do, you know, sometimes ah a plastic ramp is better than a wire form, but wire forms in pinball look so cool.
00:45:17
Speaker
yeah And it does affect like, you know, I think it, it just looks like a higher quality option. Okay. um The, the millennium Falcon with the illuminated back part, that looks great. um You have the, ah so the death star is actually the death star too.
00:45:36
Speaker
It's not the original rebuilt. Yep. Yes. Yes. So there's holes in there and you can, so people can actually appreciate the death star does eat the ball. Okay. Yeah. That's starting ball.
00:45:48
Speaker
So, so we don't have to have any shark, no eat ball memes. And yes, so doess eat ball yeah yes i just I just want to point out like everything since they've created, like everything's ate the ball just by the way, outside of like John wick. Man, that's why John wick failed.
00:46:02
Speaker
Uh, and, and X-Men felt too, because the Sentinel didn't eat the ball. So maybe you i there is the secret. There is the, they sold enough. They sold enough. Okay. so Okay. okay So, um, all right, here's the question.
00:46:18
Speaker
What is your gut feeling on this? Josh, is this something that you're interested in picking up or are you, are you curious to play or, or, I definitely, ah definitely want to play.
00:46:30
Speaker
And here's the thing too. So I want to, I want to point this out really quickly before we start going into like, would you buy, would you not buy? Sure. Yeah. Sure. Sure. People are asking what, what is the differences between premium release versus the pro?
00:46:41
Speaker
Because that's really the question, right? Do you feel like you're getting the full experience at the pro or at least enough of the experience that doesn't justify jumping the 2,500? that about what it is? 2,700? Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. so yeah And so um so the things that you are missing on the pro that you do not receive on the premium or the el LE, they have taken out.
00:47:01
Speaker
There is a Lord Vader helmet on the left side. There's a Stormtrooper helmet on the right side sculpt. Jabba the Hutt is no longer there. um The at-at, so on the premium version when you destroy him, he actually falls to his knees and falls over like he does in the movies, where my understanding in this one, he just stays standing.
00:47:18
Speaker
And then there is a magnet in between the flippers where Yoda's holding a ball. And it's a very interesting concept because it's not like an instant like save.
00:47:29
Speaker
You have to push it at the right time on the premium LE. So if it's coming down the left lane, you can launch it back into the shooter lane. Or there's there's a couple other ways you can save it, but that's like the best way to save it.
00:47:42
Speaker
On the Pro, the mangan's not there, so it's an automatic save if it's lit and it drains. So in my opinion, if I were to pick up any of these, like one of these had to go into my collection, I would go the Pro. I feel like and don't care about sculpts.
00:47:59
Speaker
um I can add them if I need to via mod makers, and mod makers are very much hit or miss. I'm not going to lie on that. ah But I feel like for the most part with this being something as iconic as Star Wars versus like King Kong where it was his own kind of thing. um You're gonna be able to find mods easily.
00:48:18
Speaker
You can find cake toppers. You can pull a toy story. and put those in here oh i'm laughing at myself i'm lame anyhow uh i just i think i think you're very pleased if you go with a pro on this one i think you're getting most of the game experience uh and everything you love and almost forgot scott there was a seventh ninja turtle his name was spike he was from the original series it was rafael's uh pet turtle that got put into the mutant gym so he was around from the beginning anyhow But overall, yeah, I, I, me personally, like if I'm looking for a game that's family out, so it's going to get my kids more of a, a good experience on a pinball machine where they, you're goingnna start learning basic skills, right? Get keys, pinball one-on-one lined up on YouTube and start going through that.
00:49:03
Speaker
Those were made for games like this. Uh, orbit shots are great to learn how to do your, your live catches, your drop catches. Um, it's just, I feel like everyone should at least have one fan layout in their,
00:49:16
Speaker
in their lineup yeah for the very least for people to enjoy pinball. And Star Wars is very much a title people are going to gravitate towards. Now, if you only have like, you only have space like two, three games, definitely play it. See if it's for you.
00:49:31
Speaker
i feel like if you're, like I said, Valley Williams games, they're there. That's why people want them is because their family, the the Cactus Kings, the mountains, Monster Bashes, Meanable Madness, Attack for Arts are
Nostalgia vs Gameplay: To Buy or Not to Buy?
00:49:41
Speaker
all family out, right? And they all have that, that kind of cuddly vibe of like,
00:49:46
Speaker
one more game because I know I messed up because of my own own faults kind of situation. Um, so yeah, I think overall, I think the only thing that really off puts me about these star Wars games, like I, I grew up on star Wars, but it's not iconic enough to me to like a day one must buy kind of thing.
00:50:04
Speaker
Um, but it's definitely like the nostalgia button gets hit, uh, because of my childhood and stuff like that. So it's one of those, like, I would love to find an excuse to play star Wars into my collection.
00:50:15
Speaker
But i'm not it's not an absolute must-have. So if i I'm doing that audience, I'm giving Zach Manning a call, it flipping out, texting via Messenger, and I'm saying, hey, send me the Star Wars Pro because I think that's the best bang for your buck. What do you think, Scott?
00:50:31
Speaker
I agree. the The one thing that is is challenging is you – sorry, the one thing that – not challenging, wrong term. The one thing that the other ones do have, and i I was trying to read the, you know, analyze the feature matrix to say, okay, what does this have?
00:50:48
Speaker
So there is a cabinet compatible with expression lighting system. Oh, I did forget about that. Yeah. Yeah, so ah so, okay, that is something. Now, okay, is that enough?
00:51:00
Speaker
ah Maybe. But, yeah, so you get custom sculpt. A lot of these things are custom sculpt. Custom sculpt Stormtrooper. Custom sculpt Darth Vader helmet. Illuminated Jabba, so you get Jabba light-up toy.
00:51:12
Speaker
um You got a Yeah. yeah mag but they look like So your job, it can look like you had radioactive Taco Bell. That would be, that would be awesome. By the way, it lights up right above the toilet bowl.
00:51:26
Speaker
Tie fighter ship with the spot. Yeah. So I, okay. Now there are times when you buy, you when you buy games because they are, they look prettier, right? Yeah. Yep. There are times.
00:51:37
Speaker
And, and so if that's the thing, if you're like, you know what, it's worth it to me to spend the, accurate because the one thing you're talking about with mod makers, sometimes those mods can get super expensive.
00:51:50
Speaker
Yeah, that's true as well. And so if, if you're like, you know, I can buy a whole bunch of extra mods and put them in there, but I'm spending X amount of dollars or I can just buy the, the OEM stuff.
00:52:01
Speaker
um but you're right this is this actually figures out of the box they don't they don't have much value anyway and they're just take your original you know 1977 luke and stick them in your game for it yeah yeah actually the 1977 luke would be more valuable than most mods um but yeah the uh okay i my gut feeling is the pro would be great man i don't know what i drank what did you swallow man i don't i've been coughing all night i i keep trying to to mute my mic but i miss sometimes
00:52:36
Speaker
um the okay either way though this feels like a good star wars game and i was really on the fence of buying the the home version i really want to play this first because this may be the version i'll get yeah um And who knows? i I may even buy the home version or the this version and then swap out the back glass so it says Star Wars on it.
00:53:02
Speaker
But ah i this seems like a fun option. Yeah, I think so as well. And it's John Borg. I feel like John Borg always delivers. Pretty consistent.
Community Engagement and Future Events
00:53:12
Speaker
Pretty consistent. But i as we always say...
00:53:15
Speaker
I am shocked Dwight's not on this code because Dwight has, has very much professed that he is a star Wars lover. Sure. But he did the last throw himself. Well, well he did the Mandalorian as well. I mean, he's done. oh Yeah. I, part of me says that they were looking for a different team approached this and see what they can do.
00:53:33
Speaker
I love that Ray got the call up on this one, man. i think this is, yeah. Yeah. I think we've all, we've already professed our, ah our undying devotion to Ray and his streamlining and being able to streamline rules for me.
00:53:48
Speaker
So that's great. I don't think I'm smart enough to figure out Dwight's rules to be blunt. it It takes a lot more effort than I really want to to put. It's true. as As much as people like might want to be little Dwight.
00:54:00
Speaker
No, I think they're great rule sets. You just have to, you have to study them. Yeah. Yeah. That's the other question too. Like, do you, do you fully understand the depths of Dwight's codes? Cause if you do, no, then you can probably make a commentary. No, I think I'm just a superficial man. That's the problem. I need superficial, superficial approachability.
00:54:20
Speaker
And that's why he owns medieval madness in his collection. Pretty much. Hey, trust me. My, my kids love medieval madness. They, they keep talking about like I can, that that's my wall. The people with EMs listening to us right now, like really that that's your shallow code.
00:54:34
Speaker
Well, okay. EMs. The the problem is ah I like EMs, but I just don't want the maintenance of the EM. Speaking which I am selling an EM right now. You can buy me in the corner.
00:54:47
Speaker
Yeah, drive out to Vernal. It's close to everything. It's close to everything and nothing at all. If you want to see some dinosaur bones, come hang hang out with us. and That's true. yeah and Yeah. If you're a fan of the show, I will not mind letting you hang out with me unless you're really, really weird.
00:55:02
Speaker
But if I'm the standard, you you've got a pretty good chance of not being worried. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, I think we're all good. We're all safe. yeah Yeah, we're all dandy. so I mean, Scott's came out here like three or four times and still hasn't visited me. He's like, oh, yeah, I'm too busy. Okay, I've only been out there to once.
00:55:17
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and and I we we came to Flaming Gorge Dam, and I was i was only 45 minutes away. Okay, I was with like a ah church youth group. I wasn't going to take them all there. Yeah, that's a likely story, a likely story. Yeah.
00:55:32
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All right, so you're buying Star Wars, it sounds like. You're going to play it first. No, am. You're already leaning on the fence towards it. I'm interested. I'm interested. But i hey, i this is me. I always say, look, you definitely want to play a game first to see if it connects with you. Yeah.
00:55:47
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Always. 100%. And i I bought Mandalorian, and I thought Mandalorian was fine. I just, after a while, I just lost the connection. And and that it there's a reason why you're spending a lot of money and having it in your house, because you want to keep that connection, right?
00:56:02
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Yeah, true. I just, you know, you say Mando and now I'm thinking about was, I guess Mando probably wasn't, was it a fan layout or with the weird, well, weird on the play field? Does that really count as it had the fan layout, but it also had the, the Mandalorian helmet there with the single or double flipper. And it, it did have the cool feature of like moving up and down.
00:56:24
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Yeah. um But that was, you know, it was, it wasn't used as much. but True, but I actually thought was... um The feed out of the play field is still safe enough that it returns to the flipper.
00:56:37
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So that's what like. I know like by traditional standards, it's not a it's not a family lay out because of the way that they did the upper play field even. But it just it feels like a family out to me It's still very fanny. Yeah. Big old fanny.
00:56:50
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Mm-hmm. Aunt Fanny, we were using our arms. Anyhow. Okay. Please tell them me you've seen robots. Amanda Bynes, Robin Williams... Oh, I saw it once and I thought it was, should have been so much better than it was.
00:57:06
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Yeah. Did we miss the butt whooping? Nope. You're actually a little bit early. Come on now. Again, I wish it were funnier than it was. Watch it with your kids. You'll laugh.
00:57:17
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It would not be on my top 10 list of games to be made independent or movies to be made into pinball. Okay. I will agree with you there, but there are some great one-liners from that movie. Truly are.
00:57:28
Speaker
It's called the deep doo-doo bird. I must fly. Yeah? No? Anyhow. No, but actually, ka do you know what what ah movie that I thought, like a kid movie that had was a lot of fun?
00:57:40
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was lot Surf's Up. so did you Did you see Luck? It was on Apple TV. It was actually so John Lasseter made it. And i actually thought was kind of charming. that thought it was good.
00:57:52
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It was a good kid movie. Yeah, we quote robots and we quote Surf's Up. You've seen Surf's Up, right? With the penguins that surf? Shia LaBeouf. Oh my goodness. It is such a great movie.
00:58:03
Speaker
Really? It's hilarious. Chicken Joe is John here. Napoleon Dynamite. Yeah. Yeah. And then ah Big Z, Jeff Bridges, aka you on the Big Lebowski. Yeah.
00:58:15
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There's a part where like... Okay, the fact that you actually put Jeff Bridges as the Big Lebowski as opposed to Tron, just part of me died a little bit. i am I am... Hey, it's the audience. I know that this audience right here loves Lebowski. audience loves the Big Lebowski, yeah. I hear occasionally Tron, but they're always like,
00:58:33
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Big Lebowski, you know, white Russian with the, with the, with the rug. You know, I, I'll Kate, the big Lebowski. It's like Pulp Fiction. I saw it once and I'm like, yeah, that's okay. Like I, I, I never understood the cult following.
00:58:49
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Yeah. That's, that's a different story for a different time though. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Overall. ah sounds It sounds like like what we say with most new games. Get out and play it.
00:59:01
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And then hit us up at Expo. Hit us up at Expo and tell me what you're thinking, too. Oh, yeah. We'll be there. We'll be there. And then Friday at 11, you, me, Retro Ralph...
00:59:16
Speaker
Jared Engelberth and Jack Engelberth. It's going to be at the, at the, uh, we're doing a content creation. Did you really say Jack Engelberth?
00:59:27
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yeah that's That's what's on the, uh, did you not see that on triple trade? That's what, are you kidding? No, I missed that. Yeah. So the expo schedule says that we have Jack Engelberth. Okay. But I really, okay. Since I didn't know what if I was going to be able to make it, I think it has me on there. So you're not on it. No, no. This got printed a little while ago. This is,
00:59:45
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Yeah. I submitted the names like three weeks before and then you hit me up and like, Hey, you're making it to expo. And I was like, Oh, cool. Yeah. um So, uh, yeah, come join us. Uh, we will have fun.
00:59:57
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If you were, if you're interested about content creation or how we do all these shenanigans, or if you want to do your own and you want some points and whatnot, or some pointers and stuff like that, we'll be talking all about that. You want to come and harass us. You definitely can. Uh, I might just want to tell us why we stink at what we do. listen Yeah, definitely. Okay.
01:00:14
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Either way, either way. We are going to we are goingnna be in an expo. So please come up, say hi. And Josh, did are you still taking orders for hats or anything like that?
01:00:29
Speaker
We are. If you want to get a hat, ah hit up. I think I'll put the drop the link in the description. um We're only doing them until the end the month, the way it's going to work. You're pre-ordering now. You're agreeing to, yes, I will be on the list.
01:00:42
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Then when the end of the month hits, I will email you and say, hey, I have you on the list for this many hats. This is how much it will cost. Are you still in? Because I'm ordering it now. And then you do not have to be at Expo. It's just if you want to save some money on a hat and not have me ship them to you, i will bring them to Expo. It's what I've done every year for the last three or four years.
01:01:02
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um So ah yeah, I'm more than happy to do that. I have found out, so they have really limited. So the hats that we're doing are the fitted ones that like are custom made. Like I have a company here in town that that buys the new arrows and then they custom do the thing. And sos so it's, it's not something that we can sell via silver ball swag. It's just, it's a very custom item.
01:01:25
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I only do it once a year. This is the ones that Ellen winners, Carrie Hardy, and like every one of his video he wears. I'm actually getting him a couple more. We're doing them and we can only do them. and It's, it's a charcoal hat.
01:01:36
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And then with red or green accents. um And then we have exclusive to Patreon Blue. It's Cyber Blue. um One gentleman that knows that we will be coming Expo is taking advantage of the shipping. He's buying six hats.
01:01:50
Speaker
Cool. If that's what you want to do, awesome. um It's that time of season. So I'll bring them to you. Or if you need me to ship them, I don't mind shipping them to you. If you're out of the States, I will still ship them to you. But you do realize like there will be an added cost. And we will we will cross that bridge if you decide to come to it.
01:02:06
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Okay. Sorry. I'm a little long-winded today. Don't forget, we got loser new Loser Kid shirts, the Losertallica and Loser House. So if you like Funhouse or Metallica, they're on there now.
01:02:19
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And they look great. They're fun. They look fantastic. Thanks, VicVP, for doing those for us. um Couple shout-outs. Glenn Wechter, dude. Seriously, like he is always on the money.
01:02:31
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And I'm excited to see. ah My understanding is he may or may not have a new project. They had Saw there last year, and he did all the sound for that. They may or may not have a new project Expo this year.
01:02:42
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So you're definitely going to want to check that out. He does our outuch he did our outro music. So obviously, the the music you're... depending on where we stop this. You may be hearing it right now or you might be hearing it in like 30 seconds.
01:02:54
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Content creator of of the ah episode. You know, one guy I always think of, but I never say, hey, we you should go check him out. If you just want really randomness of like stream of thought that has like, it's just like some dude talking and then just happens to have pinball on it.
01:03:10
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Orville Albert, dude. He's on pin Poor Man's Pinball Network. He's keeping that thing alive. ah He's got a few subscribers. Go hit him up. Definitely worth a listen. If you haven't listened to his episodes, definitely worth it.
01:03:23
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So, uh, anything else, Scott, before we sign off? Nope. Just, uh, catch us a pi at the expo. We'd love to, to meet up with you and say, hi. Sounds good. If you want to get ahold of us, we are loser, get pinball at gmail.com.
01:03:37
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Liz, the kid pinball podcast at gmail.com. If you want to get ahold of us on all socials at loser, kid pinball, uh, all that jazz. Yeah. Uh, see an expo.
01:03:50
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