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Welcome back to Fixated with Joelle & Ellen! This episode we’re talking Emerald Fennell's “Wuthering Heights,” the Game Changers series, and the latest on Industry. Enjoy!!
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Introduction to 'Fixated' and Hosts' Obsessions
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Fixated, a podcast with us. Ellen and Joelle. I'm Joelle. I'm Ellen. um Here we talk about the media and the culture and stuff we just can't look away from.
00:00:16
Speaker
Yes, the stuff that we just can't seem to get over. and why it all matters so much to us in this second episode, which is very exciting. We talk about the non-media things that we're fixated on lately and some of the media things that we're fixated on that we've been watching. we talk about Wuthering Heights. We talk a little heated rivalry books.
00:00:39
Speaker
All the big stuff. All the things. That's it. Fun little episode. yeah Please enjoy. This is episode two. Very exciting. Yes, exactly.
Podcast Origins and Future Excitement
00:00:50
Speaker
Super exciting.
00:00:52
Speaker
Yeah, still kind of our little like one-two punch intro situation. Just beginning. Exactly. Just just our meeker beginnings. Our humble beginnings, yes. Yes, exactly. I'm being like an iPad kid right now. If it looks if I keep on like looking down, which I wonder how much I did that in the first episode.
00:01:13
Speaker
For like only... Yeah, only our audio listeners, because presumably we have video up.
Marketing Background and Content Strategy
00:01:23
Speaker
um Obviously, it doesn't matter to you if I've been looking down a bunch, but um I'm curious and apologize. I've been locked in on looking at your beautiful, beautiful face, so couldn't be Well, you know, Because I've got nothing else to look at right now. and Well, when you put it like that, Mm-hmm.
00:01:44
Speaker
Yeah, excited to be here for round two. It's great. um All good stuff. Episode two already. I mean, look at us. We're kind of geniuses. We're being like, let's pull the wool over people's eyes and cut this in half and call it another episode. Exactly. It's great. No, yeah. It's our marketing backgrounds. Yes. marketing background. Yeah, exactly. I'm like, your existent marketing background. Not mine.
00:02:10
Speaker
What is it? Marketing present, not background. Your marketing present.
Personal Fixations and Reflections
00:02:14
Speaker
My life. Yeah, we wanted to... For this episode, we are starting it like we will normally start our episodes. um Last episode, y'all got a little intro to us. We were kind of just, yeah, getting gabbing, getting started. um But yes, on Fixated, we're just talking about the things we're fixated on. Fixated Pod, again, figuring out exactly how it rolls off the tongue to say fixated, fixated pod, whatever. um
00:02:43
Speaker
And so let's start with our... yeah are non-media things that we're fixated on at the moment exactly what if anything that isn't differentingly that's true i just struggle to struggle to think about it a little bit yeah it's kind of hard i knew this was coming it's really hard because sometimes um media is the main thing to fixate on if you're often often yeah yeah here's that's the premise the from the premise of this podcast so true and saying my piece yeah um
00:03:14
Speaker
Yeah, what? Yeah. I should go first? Yeah, you go first because I said it first. I mean, I said whatever. Yeah. no Now we have a fight. We still post it. That was awesome.
00:03:28
Speaker
we still post it um and It'd be great. Non-media things that I am fixated on this week, the last two weeks, the last month, i don't know. We kind of have the entirety of February to work with basically. Yeah.
00:03:47
Speaker
uh the first thing the first thing how do i want to how do i want to put this let me think about the best okay the first thing i'll say is the serenity prayer yeah it's the serenity prayer if you guys don't know the serenity prayer look it up you probably need the serenity prayer um i am somewhat hopefully my mother will not hear this elapsed catholic she knows it she's she does she does know that a bit of a lapsed catholic but lord the things the way things are going on these days way sometimes you've got to return to that catholicism yeah i'm literally like like truly god give me the strength um and um no but the strength is always good you know give me the what is it i live it i see it over here
00:04:36
Speaker
Yeah, I like printed it out. Oh, yeah, I should say this is like love that. Like this is okay like this is I needed the physical room. I needed. And that's real. I yeah, I really like that. Yeah, um I like got back from this trip that I went on that was a family trip.
00:04:56
Speaker
um Family reasons, which weren't great. Funeral. Really hedging. Yeah. ever I feel like it's such a downer to be like, i'm I was there for my girl. But family reasons that weren't great. the reasons that weren't great fill in the blank um no but it ended up being like a nice trip overall but you know it kind of reminds you of like life and things and yeah and um yeah it just kind of like that coupled with the other stressors that kind of are on a scale of things.
Hozier's SNL Appearance and Serenity Prayer's Influence
00:05:31
Speaker
I thought about the serenity prayer and I was like, you know what? Yeah, I need the serenity prayer and I need some affirmations. So I need to build out some affirmations, um get into my woo-woo bag a little bit. um And so I print out the serenity prayer. Love. Serenity to accept the things I cannot change. yes, yes. Love that. The courage to change the things I can.
00:05:55
Speaker
me cheating. looking not off a book yet. And so know the wisdom to know the difference. And you know, that's in a Macklemore song. He says it in... I don't remember the song. Macklemore. Yeah. He's great. I should... Everybody Google Macklemore song with surrender prayer. Go Because I don't know which one it is. But I feel like i remember enjoying that when I was... I don't know how old I was.
00:06:22
Speaker
Macklemore, no. Macklemore, he insists upon himself and let him. He does. He's got good politics. That's the thing do. He's great. I love him. Everything he's saying... I'm on board with it. It's great. So yeah, the serenity prayer has been there.
00:06:38
Speaker
um I think it's working. I try to, I see it every time, every, every time I sit by my desk and the moment I wake up and hopefully it will make me feel less bad in my mind and body at the very least day to day. All you can really ask for, I guess. Yeah. Two thumbs up. Feeling great. Everything's fine. Everything's great. Everything's great.
00:07:01
Speaker
Yes. And relatedly, then I think there's like this kind like a series of things to which the Serenity Prayer is applicable are my next things that i'm fixated on. That's how high that's that's what I think. Number one, this is not this is basically media related. Hose your collab with everyone. but um He's always.
00:07:26
Speaker
Fresh off my... popping yeah places For some reason he decided to make a stink this week and show up out of the blue. Yeah. And he was at the he was on SNL keying with...
00:07:42
Speaker
These young men. clients. Yes, exactly. Are tethered in another sense. Yes. We're so them. We are really them. We're so them. They're kind of so us, actually.
00:07:56
Speaker
i rebuke that. They're so us. Because we did it first. We knew each other. Exactly. We knew each other before they knew each other. Yeah. And we were Joellen before they were HUDcon. So poop period. Period. Check the tapes. That's all have to say on that. I love to say that because it's never all I have to say on that. But now we're... Exactly. Now we're beefing with them and they don't even know. We yeah.
00:08:17
Speaker
Now we're rivals.
00:08:21
Speaker
Ooh. One second. Wait, hold You know, um just to set the scene, i don't have to go too much with it, but just to set the scene, I'm fresh off of my flight from said family trip. um ah Long day of travel. It's midnight at baggage claim.
00:08:40
Speaker
And Ellen's watching that Connor SNL episode with my sister with her sister and texting me, live tweeting of course me. yeah And also that was your the third member of the group was not responding. Yeah, exactly. She was not interested. I don't think she did at any point in She probably didn't even know. know Hey girl. Hey girl. Hey,
00:09:07
Speaker
And I can't remember exactly what you said, but you basically were like, yeah oh, something happened that I don't want to tell you about. popped up and I said, Joelle is going to hate this.
00:09:19
Speaker
And she was right. Yeah. I was like, was texting you. was like, I don't want to spoil it, but something horrible for you just happened. Yeah. And the way that my breath left my body. You said, tell me now, tell me now. Yeah. When I made her tell me. Because that's the thing. It wasn't expected. was kind of expecting Hudson to show up. Like I didn't really think that it was going to happen actually, but I wasn't surprised obviously when it did.
00:09:45
Speaker
Yeah. But hosier? was like, girl. That was crazy. That was targeted at you. I was almost legit angry. Because I was like, again, my invite must have gotten lost in the middle. was upset not be in that room. What the is Yeah. I was like, what in the world? Anyways. Anyways. And of course, that is connected to my deep, deep delusion that, you know. Someday we'll be in that room. Yeah. Need I say more? The room where it happens. Please. Exactly. Get me in there.
00:10:16
Speaker
We have to delude ourselves. Yes. But I don't think it's exactly delusion, it's premonition. don't move And that's what happens when you switch your perspective. You know what I'm saying?
00:10:31
Speaker
Premonition. It's crazy. But it's crazy in a way that I understand um so deeply. yeah And that's why the serenity prayer comes into play once more. okay Because it's like, look, I can accept that's something I cannot change when I am touching down in South Carolina. I'm going to bleep that. Y'all don't know where I live. but like But I also could have the courage one day to change that.
00:10:57
Speaker
That's really real. And I, and that knowing that is the wisdom. The wisdom to know that different. yeah That's really good. Exactly. um Otherwise, yeah I really liked the SAG Awards rom-com montage that I can't find online.
Life Challenges and Weather Woes
00:11:14
Speaker
So again, except. We were FaceTiming as you watched that and I was not watching it, but I was listening to you watch it. And I was really upset to not be watching it. didn't even have. the sound on but I was like because I just love a rom-com and it was i want see like a great little montage and they threw heated rivalry in there the only thing I can find when I search it is that is people it's like the wayward tweet of being like y'all they put heated rivalry in there i can't find the whole thing um so I'm gonna have to send a message to Netflix that's in the and SAG to release that montage um because i was it looked really nice yeah I love it I mean what is a montage if not an edit
00:11:55
Speaker
That's so true. That's where, that's like the history. the roots. the fruit The roots. Yeah. Sorry, that was so stupid. No, it wasn't. That was really.
00:12:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um um And then also quickly, the weather, i think it's just allergies making me sick again. Serenity. That's OK. We can power through. um And then, yeah, the job hunt, which is which is actually the reason for the serenity prayer. It's hard out here. i um It's hard. That's all. So hard, what we're powering through.
00:12:35
Speaker
um And that's great. So those are my fixated thing. Those are those are the non-media things. Fixations. week my think Thank you. That's my big Yes. my go for My biggest one at the moment that I'm fixated on, wearing scarves. It's kind of almost spring in New York. I'm manifesting it being spring in New York. And a little spring scarf moment is really cute. It's really fun.
00:12:58
Speaker
I've been working on being a scarf girl for a while. and i'm I don't know if I'm quite there, but i'm
00:13:04
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I'm losing my words. I'm making it become... Yes. No. Michelle Obama. Exactly. So true. Yeah. She wrote that about me wearing a scarf. Exactly. You're just, you're assuming the position of a scarf wearer, which makes you a scarf wearer.
00:13:21
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Thank you. It's yeah. I'm making it be true. Exactly. My other thing. Okay.
Sports, Scarves, and Karaoke
00:13:28
Speaker
This is media, but it's not because it's a concept. I'm really fixated on the concept of sports focused media that is not sports lately. I've been watching a lot of sports rom-coms.
00:13:41
Speaker
Take that as you will. Tell us tell us about them. Oh, I'm gonna. Don't you worry. It could be because of the Olympics, which I was really into watching. It could be because of heated rivalry, which obviously it was also watching. It could be because i went to my first and NBA basketball game the other day, which was really fun. It was good time. It was a good, time there a good cute time. um And so now I'm watching every sports movie I can get my hands on, which is crazy because I'm not a sports girl. never have been. And so i haven't seen any sports movies ever.
00:14:13
Speaker
and now I'm watching them all. They're fun. I watched Miracle. i watched A League of Their Own. i watched – Oh, nice. Now I'm forgetting. Like a lot more. I watched Come Out, Come one was the best one thus far?
00:14:25
Speaker
Mmm. Mmm. Can I say Heated Rivalry? Even though I wasn't counting that, like, obviously that's up there. Yeah, that's true. I watched, I know you've seen this, Joelle, I watched it.
00:14:37
Speaker
Oh my God, I was going to say Turkish. It's not Turkish. um Movie called And Then We Danced about... Wait. Sorry. Sleep or cell activated. yeah Wait. was another sports one. That one was really, really good. I really enjoyed that. hu Oh my goodness. That is such a devastating film. Yeah. That is so good. I didn't know you. You watched that. It hasn't hit the letterbox yet. Yeah, i just watched it. forgot to mention it to you. Mm-hmm.
00:15:04
Speaker
I really like that movie. And um the director, I believe his name Levin Aiken or something like that. I i don't know if that's pronoun um that's how you pronounce it. ah um because I believe he is Georgian. Georgian. That's what it jordan yes yes is. it is um he directed or he has directed some episodes of Interview with a Vampire.
00:15:28
Speaker
That's crazy. I believe so. Someone can back check me, but it's a crazy little. I'll believe in anything. need to watch it with that. Yeah.
00:15:39
Speaker
Which also, I feel like that's something. I'll come back to that later. Yeah. Great movie. um I watched a rom-com about a ah figure skater and a hockey player, which was fun. It was like kind of I wasn't super what I was a little whatever about it but like the concept of hockey in my mind is so big right now because I watched the women's gold medal game and then I of course watched the men's gold medal game which even before everything went wrong I was obviously more excited about the women's hockey game um yeah because that's who I am as a girl in my heart um course what else did I watch something something something now I'm forgetting
00:16:17
Speaker
But it's a lot of sports media. It's a lot of sports media. Yeah. it's really fun and I'm really enjoying it. Yay, sports era. Yeah, I'm really in my sports era. um Good stuff. Yeah. Okay. So the concept of a sports movie without having to watch the actual sport itself or know anything about the sport itself is really what I'm fixated on. Yeah, fantastic. My next one is getting caught in the rain, which sounds really annoying.
00:16:43
Speaker
it is not happening to me on purpose, and I'm not even really liking it, but it does keep happening to me. i think because I could just moved, which like you can tell by this Gary nothingness behind me yeah But I moved and i have three umbrellas and they're all missing. um Yeah. So I do keep getting stuck in the rain with no umbrella. do you still have that umbrella that our good friend? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, the three umbrellas are one that I bought myself my freshman year of college, one that our neighbor below us, who was so lovely one time, la saw Joelle leaving the apartment in the in a torrential downpour, I think, and offered it to you. Yeah, basically. Yeah. yeah
00:17:26
Speaker
Yeah. A good umbrella. a really good umbrella. And then the third that isn't mine, I will be giving it back someday. A dear friend of ours left at our apartment a year ago. um Over a year ago.
00:17:38
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my God, maybe two. She'll be getting that back someday. Two years. Two years of a ransom umbrella. It's a nice umbrella. I've never used it, but it's been sitting in my house for anyway don't know where they are they're all somewhere i keep getting caught in the rain it's fine i'm trying to romanticize it which is why i said i'm fixated on it because i keep thinking about it it's a really beautiful thing yeah theory in theory and practice yeah much yeah but something that i'm sure that like mary oliver wrote about you know definitely a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do and find beauty and things um so i keep
00:18:14
Speaker
I'm fixated on karaoke, I guess. Heavy quotation marks for our audience. About a month ago, I did karaoke twice in the span of two weeks. And then this weekend, I'm doing karaoke Friday, karaoke Saturday.
00:18:27
Speaker
Not super by choice. I'm being invited to all these events and there are events that I wouldn't say no to. I'm not choosing karaoke as my event, but I'm having fun. I'm working on it. I'm finding my karaoke song. to ask you Exactly. To ask you the torturous question, what is your karaoke song?
00:18:43
Speaker
That's the thing. like I really don't have one. I'm working on finding her still. um i think I'm big on like kind of waiting a little bit later in the night and vibing it out and seeing what everyone else is doing before really put my song on. I really like When you're there and I can join a song that you're doing already, ah i'm good at a duet. I don't like having to choose a song. Oh, yeah. should do my own. Not a fan of that. Wait, our Suddenly Seymour. Our Seymour. The pierogi song always has been suddenly seen more. I forgot about that completely. Yes. That's kind of our leitmotif. Yes.
00:19:19
Speaker
It follows us through yes time. um Beautiful song. Perfect song. Maybe I'll sing that tonight. Low key. Well, I feel like we differ a little bit in this because you're a little bit truer to the game, but like my favorite version is basically the Glee version. yeah I really like, actually, I think my favorite is only on YouTube and it is the Jake Gyllenhaal version, which is kind of. ah Sorry, i ride hard for Jake Gyllenhaal. I'll say it, whatever. yeah so him You're allowed. Safe space. Thank you.
00:19:50
Speaker
And then my last current fixation, another annoying one, black coffee. But again, not by choice. i just moved and I have no milk in my mouth. Right. I just keep making black coffee, but I'm getting kind of into it. I'm enjoying it more at this point. Yeah.
00:20:05
Speaker
And I probably will still buy milk when I go to the grocery store next, but at least I don't hate the black coffee as much as I used to.
Coffee Habits and 'Wuthering Heights' Adaptation
00:20:12
Speaker
good huge that's that it is huge actually i feel like i'm growing i feel really annoying and like deep about it you know yes and not my coffee i did buy a fancier curry cup um to drink oh really coffee so it's less gross now too i got huge brand you've had that one for a while if I can air your shit out like that yeah how about you hey cut that cut that I have yeah I love it I do only like two years three years yeah that's fine no you're right you're right um because I had one when we wow yeah you got to know when we moved when we moved her yeah yeah um
00:20:59
Speaker
when we were in our roomie era Joel and I have been in the era kind of forever um yeah yeah it's honestly feels like some like strange blip in the universe that we're not still in a roomie era but it is and that blip is called grad school yeah and I went to it you did go to it you left behind yes be indeed indeed Whatever. Perfect. Yeah.
00:21:23
Speaker
So that is cool. We have fixations. We have non-media fixations. yeah look they said we couldn't have them, but we did. did and we proved them wrong. um Now...
00:21:35
Speaker
I'm rubbing my hands together. Nefariously. We get to get into the meat of it. Yes. um and We get to ask the real question. What are we fixated on this episode? Media-wise. What are we fixated on? Media style. Yeah.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yeah, this week, last week, again, we kind of have all of February to work on yeah or to work with. So we can kind of start anywhere. But there is something that we both watched something big relatively recently. um That is the talk of the town, except also it kind of has like petered off, which I think is like, I was really kind of late to the game. That's my bad. But no, it's so fine. But I just I mean, like, not even for our purposes, I mean more as indicative of the also how I feel about it. Yeah. Everyone was talking about it before and then the second anyone saw it, it kind of left the conversation. Yeah. And everyone said, okay, whatever. Yeah. Which, whatever. There's a little bit also just how like algorithm social media works. Yeah. We were, of course, talking about Emerald Fennell's Weathering Heights. Weathering
00:22:45
Speaker
quotation weathering height oh open quotation with a close quotation with the guides um yes that we both we've both now managed to see I saw it opening weekend yeah I saw it maybe a month prior post post opening weekend yes um and yeah I mean as we know just to kind of summarize stuff that you probably already know, but this is for posterity as well. Yes. When people are listening years and years and years into the future. someday um
00:23:16
Speaker
Yes. Wuthering Heights adapted from Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights, which came out in what the, actually don't even know. have no clue. 1847. Okay.
00:23:27
Speaker
There's a seven in there. Okay. there' was okay in there Yeah. And that's exactly what I was thinking. Yes. That was my second guess. Yes. Adapted from that book, um which I also exactly, the si on loosely which i also happen to read during the month of February. So going to bring in that perspective. Got more knowledge than I do. haven't read since high school. And if we're being real, I was i was probably skimming. Yeah. Well, that's one of my major takeaways with like reading the book this time, which was just that it was so refreshing to like have a more functioning brain to like understand it. um Because I remember reading it in high school as well. and just yeah
00:24:11
Speaker
like Even if I was reading it, I was essentially skimming because my brain just was not... Sometimes your brain just doesn't know what's going on when you're 16. Exactly. And had the benefit of...
00:24:24
Speaker
It being for class, of course, then you kind of get the major ideas, but like reading it my own time, girl, did not understand what was going on. um yeah And reading it now, again, like Loki 10 years into the future, um flash forward. i was like, oh, this is like legible.
00:24:41
Speaker
That's good. I was like, this fine. I was like, this is okay, actually. I read a book the longest time ago now, maybe it was like a year ago by Edgar Allan Poe. um And I was like shocked by the way I could understand it. yeah Oh, okay. Like, yeah, they're old words, but I can figure it out. It's a little bit ongoing, but I can get there. Exactly. It's really fun sometimes to have an adult brain.
00:25:02
Speaker
Which, like being 25, I feel like I'm not an adult. Well, you know, but PFC. PFC. My brain does function sometimes. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. So such an added benefit, I think. And as much as you want to talk about the movie as an adaptation, yeah I do kind of have fresh knowledge about the book. maybe um But yeah, it was released...
00:25:27
Speaker
2026 valentine's day i was looking i will kind of i don't know about you what was your first reaction to the trailer if you remember honestly i think i went oh brother yeah just because i remember seeing people talking about like the casting online and just being like what are we doing here and i yeah i'm not biggest fan of emerald fennel's work i tend to really really like what she's doing in the first two-thirds of her movies and then she loses me um i tend to be right there with her and then she does something that i just can't vibe with and so i was about expecting the same thing this time yeah
00:26:11
Speaker
Yeah, I felt like I had a similar response where was kind of like, girl. that Okay, okay. And then there was something that shifted a little bit where I did get a little excited. like or i knew that I always knew that I was going to be sad.
00:26:28
Speaker
I knew that I was going to be there yeah to see the movie. Maybe that is like the like most basic level of some amount of success for Miss Fennell anyways, right? when She knows people are going sit down and watch her movies. Yeah.
00:26:42
Speaker
and But I still was a little bit, was little skeptical. Again, kind of not coming from any place either of being like, like like she's going to ruin this book. I kind didn't care. I'm not a purist.
00:26:54
Speaker
But yeah, kind of more the casting stuff too. And then it shifted a little bit. And I think it's just because I like Jacob Elordi a bit. And I got a little excited. I think i I like watched Frankenstein and I was like, he kind of turned,
00:27:04
Speaker
He was kind of turned in that. He's put yeah good. I was a huge fan of that Frankenstein. Oh my god. Yeah. like i thought it was I thought it was really affecting. and I think like he was i mean obviously the main but he was like very good. it it was incredible. um yeah He won the Critics' Choice Award. Oh, right. Yeah, I think so. For that.
00:27:22
Speaker
Which I was like, sure. Go for it, Jacob. um Go for it, Mr. Jakob. He's really grown on me. I had a not that I ever had issue with him. I had what I would call a deep seated fear of him for a while. Really something about him was like quite uncanny to me. And he really freaked him me out. I didn't like seeing him. And I think it was – there was, like, one scene specifically in Salt Burn where he was really charming. And I was like, oh, I got it. Okay.
00:27:48
Speaker
And so now he's just, like, he's he's in Papa's Orchard to me. Almost. But he's, like, working his way toward Papa's Orchard. for Yeah. Now I do feel yeah warmth in my heart toward him, which is good. Yeah. I have, like, considerable stock in his career. That's what keep on saying. Almost yeah kind of annoyingly. But I'm like, that is how I feel. I'm like, I – I think I could see it. I'm like invested. I could see it going well. um And I like what he does. And so I kind of was getting honestly quite excited to see the movie because I was like, maybe she is going to like turn it and have fun. And like, maybe it'll be, maybe it'll be what it's saying it's going to be. yeah um
00:28:23
Speaker
But i don't know how, like,
00:28:28
Speaker
What, how did you feel about it? We haven't talked extensively, actually. really haven't. we've texted a bit. I think, honestly, i worry i like, enjoyed it enough, like, solidly, which kind of took me by surprise. i didn't hate any of what it was doing. And I think, I was thinking to myself, um this is, i don't know, maybe a strange thing to relate it to. But you know the Percy Jackson Lightning Thief movie? Yeah.
00:28:53
Speaker
I've always said that that movie, yeah, um that movie on its own as a piece of media is like perfectly fine. Like it's kind of a good, fun movie, but it being an adaptation of Percy Jackson, the lightning thief, the novel, it makes no sense. It's an entirely different thing. They're not relatable. It's not good. It's a terrible adaptation of that movie. I got kind of the same vibe from this where I think if it was, if this was an original story, i would have been like, that was great. That was fun. It was easy. It was light. It was cute. It was whatever.
00:29:17
Speaker
Easy, light, whatever. Like easy to. Margot Robbie bleeding out. Exactly.
00:29:26
Speaker
But like, yeah I think that's exactly the same thing that I was on. Knowing that it was an adaptation of like a Bronte novel, I was a little bit like, okay, we're missing something substantial here. There's a deeper level that I'm not getting from this movie, which is fine. It wasn't trying to give that, but I kind of was wishing that it was giving that. I wasn't super into the Charlie XCX of it all. I think she did a great job, but I wasn't... yeah I don't know. I think for me, there is a way that you can do the like modern take on an adaptation, but it was kind of switching back and forth in a way I couldn't really get into, you know, yeah the costuming and the music, but then it would switch into kind of the older music
Critiquing 'Wuthering Heights' Adaptation and Casting
00:30:09
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and the older costuming. and i was like a little bit, what are we doing? It just, I was feeling lost a bit. Yeah.
00:30:14
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It wasn't my favorite. Yeah. But I enjoyed it enough. It was a fun watch. Which is kind of huge for you and in an Umberville finale movie. It is. To kind of come away from it with like overall positive. I feel like it's usually overall positive. about it Usually I walk away angry. Because I'm like, you were so close to something great and now you're pissing me off. um and to So to not feel that way feels like a revelation. It feels great.
00:30:39
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I'm proud of you. it feels like growth with you guys um and your relationship. Yeah. Yeah, I think that... Where do I want to start? um I think I basically agree. Like, when I first watched it, when I was first done with it, I was kind of like, okay. was like, okay. I think I basically had, like, a more positive to neutral...
00:31:04
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feeling about it um reaction to it I was definitely entertained especially in the way that like one is entertained by by an Emerald Fennell movie where you're just a little bit like all right at least for me I feel like there's just like a level of like kind of like in on the joke in a way or not i don't know and I don't know how to explain it but I'm just kind of like girl you go for it you have fun I can tell you're having fun um which I hope doesn't sound it's not meant to be condescending i feel like condescending but like Yeah, kind of like take it for what it was Like, for example, like I actually kind of like salt burn genuinely where I'm like, that was kind of kooky crazy. Like there is an absurdity there that I think she's like aware of and she was going after that like I'm also down for. So that's what I mean where it's kind of like you you go off, girl. um
00:31:52
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But I do think that it was like a little not good. like like Like not good isnt isn't even useful either, but like I think that like, I didn't really like the casting.
00:32:11
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I didn't think the chemistry actually worked that well. um I think it just chose to do more uninteresting things with it and kind of was like, oh, like,
00:32:28
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inserting kind of like the basically like headcanon like sexy times was supposed to be the interesting thing and it just wasn't to me like it it didn't it didn't do enough really um i was listening to what was i listening to i was listening to listened to like vulture critics talk about it and i listened to critics at large at the new yorker talk about it and think it was the critics at large at the new yorker talking about it where they were she was they were like oh if we're going to talk about it also as like an adaptation, but kind of as something that would have made it a better movie overall as well.
00:33:05
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They were like, they made like a a story that's way more about like, really like kind of like toxic revenge and stuff like that. And made it more about just an affair. Like they just kind of took the teeth out of it in a anyway which I could appreciate that assessment of it. Again, I'm not like a purist for, for an adaptation.
00:33:27
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But I think that I kind of am, which is also fair, right? um Because I think a good adaptation, not to bring it up again, but like Loki, look at the rivalry, genuinely like a really great adaptation. One of the best I've seen in a long time, at least. Yeah. Of course, isn't a hundred percent faithful. it changes things. It adds things. to eat Exactly. yeah,
00:33:53
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I'm stealing again from the critics at large people. So sorry, citing them. But to summarize, they were like, but you kind of want to still like what makes it good is still the like through line and elevation of the material, if anything.
00:34:08
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um And I don't think it really succeeded at doing that, which again, kind of would have also made it a better movie. Like I have in my mind separating it from being like thinking about it as an adaptation versus thinking about it as like a movie. But I think it being a better adaptation in those ways would have also made it a better movie overall. um Because the book is kind of crazy and fun yeah in a way that it is like, yeah, truly like Gothic and kind of like Heathcliff's like effed up in the head, especially after Kathy dies. like or Like, you know, it like continues, continues with the story. And there's just so much more like interesting stuff yeah there and with Kathy's characterization as well. It just, yeah.
00:34:50
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could been improve To kind of play like Emerald's advocate. um She like, that is kind of what she was trying to do. Like she wanted to take the teeth out of it. She wanted a romance movie. Like she wanted, right I'm assuming a lot, but like they wanted a February 14th release date, you know? And like, yes, it would have been a very different film if it was a true adaptation, which,
00:35:13
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in our opinions, it would have been better, I think, but yeah like probably not as mass media appropriate. Cause think you were saying a while ago, like your audience that you went to was full of teen girls and I don't know.
00:35:26
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I mean, maybe I'm not giving the teen girls enough credit, but I don't know if that many still would have been there if it were a more truthful adaptation. Yeah. And I hear you and you're bringing up a good thing that I try to like, I'm trying to remember more, um which is like,
00:35:44
Speaker
Which is criticizing thinking about media, like not for what it isn't, but for what it is, which like, yeah, it's not like it's an imperfect science, but you are, but you do make a good point because for like, with complete like,
00:36:00
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credit and respect and stuff. You're right. The people who that I, the people who were like in the theater who I watched it with really liked it. Yeah. And again, to be clear, I like had a fine time watching it. I i didn't like sit there and was like grumpy and being like, wow, I hated this. um But the people who were there really liked it it as much of teeny boppers again, Valentine's day love and like overheard at the movie theater, like the little like group of just like girls themselves. Yeah.
00:36:27
Speaker
because there was like some dates going on, whatever. We're like, we're like, that was so good. Like, can we please put on tortured poets department like right now? And I was like, you see, I see who this audience is for again. No condescension. Mm hmm.
00:36:42
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And I was like, and you know what? just And that's like kind of fair. Yeah, exactly. That's okay. I was like, that's not everything is for me. I'm working on accepting that. Yeah. But I think it's like a matter of like, yeah, engaging generously with, with media, which doesn't mean you have to like it and be nice about it, but it means that, yeah, you kind of like at least try to take what's there um seriously. So you're right. And that is the thing. Like people were,
00:37:09
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Again, people were taking it generously, less generously, kind of her um her explanation of, like, yeah, her approach to the adaptation, too. Which, yeah, was basically her being, like, I'm adapting it from that, like, mind of a younger woman, if not teenage girl, like how she first... encountered it and filling in the blanks with all of this torrid steaminess in this that the other um which yeah i read some critique critiques reviews and stuff of people taking that more earnestly and like actually engaging with it and some people not and yeah kind of kind of all is fair i do i will stand with though like i do think the casting
00:37:54
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wasn't ideal no i think it was completely distracting for young heathcliff and kathy to turn into margot robbie all of like 35 years old which isn't old but it's older than the character yeah i was gonna ask you how old is she supposed to be in the novel i don't remember i don't know for sure but not that old yeah Like genuinely, like I don't know for sure, but like ah I think probably twenty s Yeah, there was one line they were like, she's getting up to spinster age or something like that. and I was like, I think she might be past it a little bit. Because one thing about history also, spinsters were young. Like a spinster I think was like 25. right it was a young thing and i think that margot robbie might be past that age yes yes and again so important to note that it's like it's not that margot robbie's old but just not smart cast like it's not it's not a bad thing of course yeah but it just wasn't it didn't make sense yeah it just didn't story was not really relevant to a 35 year old woman Yeah, yeah. It's like it it really makes the suspension of disbelief. It really strains that. Yes. Really strained it a bit in a way that was unfortunate because then I'm like sitting there and I go with peace and love. really did have to sit there and be like,
00:39:17
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Is Margot Robbie a good actor? I can't forget. And maybe we'll cut that because it's not a nice question. But I only ask it because, again, i only ask it because it's just like it did kind of a disservice to her as well. She's a great actress, but you can't necessarily act like 15 years younger than yourself and hit make it entirely...
00:39:36
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realistic like it's like no matter how it's not her fault matter how ruddy you make her cheeks costume department yeah she's not she's not she's not a 20 year old running through the mors that's one thing though they did she did do like stylistically no surprise finale did do a good visual something i wo is she makes a gorgeous yeah she does consistantly It was beautiful. and so It was great. It was like people are saying she makes a goddamn good Pinterest board. She's got a great aesthetic. Yeah. Yeah. She does. She knows what she's doing visually. Absolutely. I can appreciate that. Yeah. I also found the Charlie XCX soundtrack in the movie.
00:40:23
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a bit distracting too. A little bit. But I liked it enough. Yeah, it didn't really make sense for me in the movie, but it was like I really liked what she was doing. I liked the music a lot. It just, I couldn't really,
00:40:36
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yeah Yeah, exactly. So, you know, i have some ideas for Wuthering Heights adaptations at this point. We make Wuthering Heights. When we make Wuthering Heights. No, I know there's like a lot of them out there. And so I need someone to like, tell me if I'm like making this up already. But basically, here's my soft pitch. Basically, again, I find it really fascinating. Do we need another movie about a man? Maybe not.
00:40:58
Speaker
But I do find Heatha's character very fascinating as you like go towards like as you go throughout the end of the book. um because i think there's just so much opportunity for him to be like I mean he is super tortured like he's literally haunted um which is another thing I'm like sad they didn't they weren't really able to capture in the movie where I'm like no like there's like there's again it's like actually gothic like there's hauntings happening Heathcliff is like seeing Kathy like on the moors and it's following after him going to her tomb and doing all this thing you know like all these things um but basically
00:41:36
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ah So I feel like there's so much more to like dig into there. And idea that had is um David Lowery's The Green Knight starring Dev Patel, which like be become, which is basically like, I mean, more like art films, surrealist, all this type of stuff, but like similar, like visual language I think would really help. And yeah, kind of adapt it more of like truly like Heathcliff POV. Yeah.
00:42:05
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following his descent into madness is it in a sense raise it exact kind of like yeah and kind of even if you do want to take it as a little bit more like moral tale type of thing like um Yeah, I think that would be really cool.
00:42:22
Speaker
I'm going to slap IP on that if i see that. If I see that crop up with someone who doesn't explicitly listen to this podcast. Exactly. I'm going to issue a cease and desist. I'm going to get your ass. yeah so But that's my that's my thought, um which I already wrote out on my Substack, shameless plug. and But yes, i like I feel like that'd be so much fun.
00:42:45
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And that's a good movie. I would recommend that movie. beautiful lady. I haven't seen it. I need to. Yeah. it's really really say like I'm a big fan of Patel, but I know that you love him.
00:42:56
Speaker
You're a bigger fan. That's my man, my man, man, my man, my man, my man, my man, my man, my man. Actually, though, like would drop everything. Actually. um but yeah that's I guess that's our what any other like last thoughts not on Wuthering Heights we talked about Wuthering Heights for longer than I was expecting but I guess we had a lot to say yeah what else did you what else have you been watching um consuming you know I can I say i have kind of a lot to say probably in February I read the majority of The Game Changers novels. um There we go. Having finished Heated Vivalry live, obviously.
00:43:39
Speaker
I then had to read all of them. And I read half in January and half in December. Nope, half in February. yep And it was a really fun time. I like to read.
00:43:51
Speaker
And they were what they were. And I love them. I say that with so much love in my heart. They are perfect yeah for what they are. And I can't wait to see all of them in a show. I have a lot of actually opinions on that. That won't be as popular. Should I just get really? yeah I say literally go for it. Okay. So i have seen a lot of people online being so excited about um specific storylines and specific characters that they want to see. don't care.
00:44:24
Speaker
don't care. i don't care I only care about Shane Ilya, a little bit Scott and Kirk. Specifically, okay, Wyatt Hayes, I really like. And I liked him in his first one that he pops up in, Tough Guy. And also, i could be wrong. I could be incorrect about this. I'm pretty sure he is the only straight character.
00:44:45
Speaker
i think he's a straight one and people keep calling him gay and i maybe I'm missing something that I don't think that he is. No, because he has a lesbian sister. That's a thing, he is straight. ah So like there's like Hayden, Hayden straight, right? Hayden straight, right. Hayden, Hayden's definitely bye for Shane. Right. Yeah. But I'm thinking on the centaurs um of like the other of like the new characters. um Right. Wyatt, whatever. I like Wyatt.
00:45:13
Speaker
I don't really like any of the rest of them. And specifically, what's his name? Okay. People, this is going to be unpopular. I'm going to really, yeah people are very excited to see Troy Barrett on screen. I don't really care. And I don't necessarily want to see that guy.
00:45:30
Speaker
i And this is, i reserve the right to change my opinion, which I'm sure that I will when this show comes out. Like, I'm sure that I will be really happy to see him on screen and to watch the show. And I'm sure it'll be perfect. i am tired of the storyline of like, oh my God, this guy who was homophobic was actually just homophobic because he's gay and he's been gay the whole time. And like, yay, he's fine now. And he comes out and now he's great. And he's, and like, I do think that the story was done well. And like, he's a well-written, well-developed character. And it's like realistic. And I understand that. and it makes sense.
00:46:01
Speaker
I kind of don't care. And I don't like him. And I don't care. Like, okay, yeah yay, he's fixed himself and he's not homophobic anymore, but he still was. And I don't really need to see that on my screen. I don't care. yeah I didn't really like reading about it.
00:46:13
Speaker
I don't care. um the other character was annoying to me. Sorry. Like his love interest? His love interest bothered me. Was Harris? Harris. Harris Drober. He was cute. He was fine. He was a social media guy. I'm a social media girl. yeah So maybe that's why I didn't care. You're like seeing that. Literally. I've been there. was like a cute story. It was perfectly fine. Nothing against the story itself. I just. The two characters.
00:46:38
Speaker
I don't. I'm not super excited to see them on screen. I don't care. Yeah. I only. I i only read Heat of Rivalry and The Long Game and so i have a very tangential very brief encounter with some of these other characters yeah I don't really intend to read the other ones literally just cause like no hate just I'm like i I kind of I guess came to the same conclusion just without reading them I'm like I know who I care about I kind of just wanted to read them because I had some time. And also I was like, I want to see as much of Shane and Ilya as I can get. I want to see where they're popping up. um yeah And it is really Ilya's haunting that damn narrative. he Appears everywhere love it. He's kind of, um sorry, I'm kind of interrupting you. He is to Rachel Reed as I think Lestat is to Anne Rice. To Anne Rice. Which I love. brains. brains. She loves that guy. She loves that blonde bi man. um Yeah. Yeah, great.
00:47:38
Speaker
Wow. Wow. I love to see him popping up everywhere. Yeah, exactly. Because I'm right. i'm It's an exact comparison. That's fascinating. um Okay. So interesting. So what's like your like, what's your headline out of like reading all of it? It is it is just that like, why bother with anyone but Shane and Leigh?
00:48:00
Speaker
And that's just me. I think that other people should absolutely bother. I'm not saying that they're bad books. um Oh, yeah. But yeah, of course, they're great. I really love them. um But yeah, I think my headline is that personally, i don't care.
00:48:17
Speaker
No, yeah that's not even, I liked reading them. yeah If we're getting limited screen time, I don't care enough the other characters to be seeing them on my screen. Not even that I don't want to see them. I'm just not excited specifically about Troy Barrett to see him on my screen in the way that I know other people are. People are being like, oh my God, he's my baby. No, that's my enemy. Like, I don't care. Yeah, yeah. No, yes. I think it was you just kind of framing it.
00:48:42
Speaker
that as well where i'm like yeah call me stingy but like i hope they kind of don't overdo it yeah with now the like avengers assemble of it all because there's a lot of characters now yeah i don't need that looks yeah but i don't i want to keep my focus on my boys exactly exactly you got to keep it there's so much to do in the long game Of course Scott should show up as well. I do love Scott. it I'm biased for Scott. That GD face card that Francois Arnault has. Francois, ooh, every time I see him.
00:49:23
Speaker
It's almost like, I'm like, I'm really not trying to objectify you. It's just, that's a crazy face card. Like, let's just like appreciate the art. You can be objective. It goes dumb, stupid, like every time.
00:49:34
Speaker
And you're not new to his game either. you i am not new to his He's on your list thank you for long time. Thank mentioning it Yes. There's this thing that happens when you take French classes from eighth grade and you're also on Tumblr. Tumblr.com. Which is that you learn about Xavier Dolan, the little slice of Quebecois cinema.
00:49:57
Speaker
And do you learn about J'ai tué ma mère, the movie, which Francois Arnault was in, plays his little boyfriend. There's the paint scene, the rolling around on the paint. And like the Tumblr girls went crazy. I went crazy. Ended up actually fully watching the movie.
00:50:14
Speaker
i mean, i let's be clear. I watched it in my own time. I looked that up illegally and I watched it. good But then fast forward at Fordham in my Quebecois cinema class, yes we did watch it formally. um Yeah.
00:50:32
Speaker
Fantastique. I'm going to keep on pretending to be a francophone. But please, Francois. Francois. Maybe first guest on the pod. Exactly. he wants to hop by.
00:50:45
Speaker
Viens ici, s'il vous plaît. sibo place like i i also took many, many years of French and I remember none of it. yeah ah tre b treon I would love to ask Francois his opinion on Troy Barrett, actually. um Is that your question? Yeah. Our little kind of question for the creators. Yeah, question for the creator, but not for Jacob Tierney. I'm talking to Francois specifically. Yeah.
00:51:15
Speaker
as um like an out queer man on that show. Troy Barrett, what are your thoughts? I don't need a spoiler. I don't need to know if he's going to be there or how much he's going to be there because I'm assuming he will be there. Yeah.
00:51:28
Speaker
What is your opinion on him as a character and that type of character in general? Because I am so tired of seeing it. I've seen it enough. Oh, and that's the other thing I was going to say. That is like one of Glee's original sins. Exactly. it'sle thats when That's the first time I think I saw it in real life was Glee.
00:51:48
Speaker
Yes. um What's his freaking name? Kaminsky? Maybe? That sounds right. Is that feels when they say coughs are up? Is that for him?
00:52:01
Speaker
Like, probably. kind of um easy Kurt and... Karofsky. David Karofsky. Yeah, his, like, full-blown, like, tormentor. Yeah. um At least to me, when I watched that, it was, like, an original thing, and i was like, but...
00:52:21
Speaker
yeah it it's been everywhere since then and even yeah i'm sick and tired of people seeing people say that in real life fact anyways on that happy note um he said yeah troy barrett right the power troy bit yeah um yeah again we'll see how that opinion changes because if he's well cast i'm gonna love him yeah exactly i am kind of a seat excited to see kind i'm very excited quite excited yeah exactly um to see any casting changes what's gonna happen with yeah with this new season um whenever it shall come to us exciting um okay i want to mention like just two other things that i watched quickly please um
00:53:07
Speaker
I watched Industry.
Review of 'Industry' and New Segment Introduction
00:53:08
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I think like the season four finale of Industry um streaming on HBO was yeah, this last Sunday. um i find Industry is like a really entertaining show.
00:53:20
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um Just like I think I just really liked the character. I think the character work quite good. mean, it gets really mixed up in the like jumble, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like finance stuff, businessy finance stuff. But I also think you like acclimate your ears, acclimate perfectly fine. You kind of, you can understand the stakes, which I think is also a feat of like really good writing. Um,
00:53:44
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, i think that the fact that the show has developed to really being about Harper and Yasmin, I would keep on wanting say Yasmina, but it's Yasmin. But yes, I think overall, like thinking about the beginning, I love that arc. i love that we like get to the end of the season or really the season in general, but especially how the season ended. um yeah,
00:54:11
Speaker
Yes, it's them two still kind of duking it out, still being friends, enemies, rivals, like soulmates in some other way. Like everyone was happy because they finally, um spoiler alert, kissed.
00:54:26
Speaker
um But like, I've got to start watching But it also was like, I've seen some, I don't know. need to watch more. Yeah, because I kind of had it spoiled for me, this this this kiss, um this Yaz Harper kiss.
00:54:41
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love that Yeah. And, but I think it was both like, like it's understated in the show, which meant I felt like the reaction to it was overstated, but I still liked how it happened in the show.
00:54:54
Speaker
Cause it wasn't like this big, like romantic thing. It was just, and just in this whole sequence of it, it was good. Um, they're like out partying after they kind of like have this a little bit of a heart to heart of like exactly where their jealousy and rivalry lies with each other. yeah.
00:55:07
Speaker
And they're basically like, we'll take care of each other, like at least tonight in the context of being like, at least tonight, like, like let's go part partying. And so it's just like a nice montage. You kind of like, and I think it sets up well with how like the second or there how the last, this that was the penultimate episode, how the last episode ends. um Let's just say simply, there's hope for Harper, much less for Yasmin. Oh, my girl.
00:55:36
Speaker
yeah i say that having watched half of season one also um i mean it's crazy she's so beautiful gorgeous that like you still feel empathy for her but she's like going down like one of the darker paths you possibly could um it's pretty bad it's like it's indicative of like some like just like really like blatant like trafficking manipulation etc etc yeah like it's it's it's kind of all a little bit and very much veiled in like girl power but like Harper works in the sense of being like, she's like, Yasmin, you don't have to do this. She was like, this is like really shady, bad stuff you're working with. Like, this is not good. Yasmin kind of has this complex. Yeah, right. She does have this complex of, which I think is earned. I read like one little tidbit of a critique that was like, I don't know if I buy this like arc for them, but I think it's, I think it's earned. She's always had this complex of like, I think,
00:56:35
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both being unfairly um assessed as like less than inferior, stupid, cetera, et cetera. Yeah. in her words, not being necessary, um especially in this like super competitive world where like, yeah, you're kind of like boldness and your ability and your competency is really is what propels people. But also, of course, they're like underhanded manipulations and just like doing anything to get power. But what she exceeds that. But what she wants is to feel competent. like she'd Like what's what she wants that Harper has is to like really actually feel good at her job.
00:57:12
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But also I think that she's just not that good at her job. Like she's not good at the things that she does or that at least that like area of work that they kind of like all started at that like Harper's still doing, which is like, yeah, being a stock portfolio investor, blah, blah, blah, finance person. um And so, yeah, her like arc has brought her to the place where she was like, no, doing this stuff. It's actually really like a affecting quote, which I won't have. But in this like pleading that Harper's like low key doing where she's like, you really like, this is not good stuff. Like, why are you doing this? We should leave right now and go. Like she's doing the like run away with me. Like I like think like, i mean, there's like a lot of like, it's like basically romance. um love She's doing that. Like, like let's go right now. What does that remind me of? oh my God. I'm having some like really strong reaction to something.
00:58:06
Speaker
trope wise that I've seen play out elsewhere. Anyways, of being like, we can go right now. We can go right now. Oh my gosh. You know what I'm feeling? What? Hannibal. i still have a Hannibal. oh Oh my God. my gosh. Okay. Not time to get into Hannibal. That's another, i another, we don't have the time. Yeah. Yes. um But yes, being like, we should go right now, right now.
00:58:27
Speaker
Like, she's like, let's leave this. Let's like, forget about it. um And she's like, no, she was like, I feel necessary. She's basically said, she's like, I feel necessary. like I feel it's like, she's like, it's just less pain. That's it.
00:58:40
Speaker
And you're just like, Ooh, like, Ooh, Ooh, but she's going to such like this dark path. And basically, Wrapping up, I think it's like really good relationship character work between them um because Harper's actually learning to be more of a human and like rely on people and have an actual team around her and like have that support. And Yasmin is not, um and is doing other things. But I think it's so fun to bring this back into like silly whimsy watching, because they're like fail besties. Like we've seen, we've seen fail daughters, fail sons. We've seen fail marriage. um
00:59:19
Speaker
all over the place. But this is such a good representation of failed besties. It's good to see that. And yeah, and it's done crazy well. Toxic, evil woman media too is always lovely. right exactly and she's just so they're just so um broken inside it's also honestly awful like like and he's yeah yeah it's so like trauma informed both of them but you really kind of see how how some of them are how one of them's kind of escaping it a little bit and the other one's not and you might be surprised maybe based on how it like started um
01:00:00
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Yeah, but their whole arc, like that it's one versus the other, that's kind of being able to damn see beyond Yeah.
01:00:10
Speaker
yeah That's my industry take. Really enjoyed it. That's my industry stuff. That's some of the stuff you were fixated on. um Now, before we like officially exit y'all, we have a little segment that we're going to see. We're testing. We're testing. I mean, we're testing all it, right? It's the first episode. Yeah. It's not what AB testing is. That's right. I think I had to look that up the other day to be like, girl, what is A-B testing? Couldn't tell you.
01:00:39
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Couldn't tell you. That's you test whatever it does. It literally, I'll tell you later. Yeah, tell me off air. Yeah. We can circle back. um But yes, this is our this is our segment called Realize, Realize, um where we basically either share, okay, basically sharing some media pendant opinion that we're like kind of willing to defend because we feel like people aren't, really seeing it the same way um that we're seeing it Some type of, some type of little angle like that. So Ellen, I think you did your realize, realize thing. Yeah, I got too excited to talk about my my character opinions about heated rivalry. So realize realize that Troy Barrett, maybe not all that.
01:01:22
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There, he said it. I'll say it. My one sentence. um What's yours? And I think... realize realize that bridget's just fine bridgerton is just fine think my realize realize i realize realize that bridgerton is literally just fine i think my realize realize i realize realized that bridgerton
01:01:54
Speaker
is literally just fine I watched the most recent season and it was just fine. Like, I feel like there's like a, maybe I just like take it too earnestly. Like also all of the like promo resources that you get. So like new season of Bridgerton, you're like, you won't, you won't go a day without seeing it yeah really. If you use Netflix, if you're on social media, like cool. And it obviously has a big following, but yeah,
01:02:23
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and almost a perfectly fo like again It's a perfectly fine way where I'm like, Britician's great at being something to watch. And as someone who loves to watch that, that is only going to be like a pretty much positive thing.
01:02:36
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yeah thing but like it really doesn't stand out to me much anymore but i do think it like i don't know it's like very baseline solid some seasons have been better than others the season was somewhere right in the middle um and yeah i guess the part that people aren't really seeing is just that i'm like there's not much there for real but i'm really happy for everyone involved And I like to watch it.
01:03:03
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Enough. It counts, I guess, in the end. um yes But yeah, okay. Not everything has to be high art.
01:03:14
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But I also say that as someone who's never seen Bridgerton. So maybe it is to Right, right. Exactly. What is some, it's high art to some people is not to others. And that's fine. Exactly. Exactly. Which makes me so tempted to, I was reading this like pop cultural theory book, whatever, that was really making me think of those distinctions between high art, low art, high brow, low brow, but for another time another time for another time um because we need to wrap it up we do um that was our episode that was the episode yes our most recent stuff i mean that's basically gonna try to be the formant of the episode i hope um
01:03:56
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y'all enjoyed we'll we'll have to see you soon um looking forward next time to it's gonna be oscars talk basically it is gonna be oscars talk two weeks from today yeah and i think we've done a swell job between us watching a lot of oscar nominated movies um And so we should have a lot to talk about. Some of the movies and we'll be able to talk about some of the wins if I have the calendar. Yeah, I think so.
01:04:25
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Yes, yes, yes. The Saturday after. Two more to watch. Ooh, look at you. I could be lying. Yeah. Maybe you are. what are they going to do about it? um never now Yeah, I had a great time learning about Troy Barrett, Ellen.
01:04:42
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I would always, I love to talk about things that you don't talk about. And i love to learn from you as well about yeah shows like industry that I haven't seen. Yeah. Perfect. All right. Yes. Okay. So now I guess that's it. Bye bye. um Please only follow us on the things. Follow, listen, subscribe.
01:05:02
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Exactly. um We will see you guys very soon. We upload every other week. Wednesdays. Every other another week every other wednesday Wednesday. In theory. hope Exactly. We are going to close to that.
01:05:16
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This was great. All right. Bye.