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fixated on fan accounts and fandom politics w/ special guest
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Heyyy! Welcome to episode FOUR of Fixated with Joelle & Ellen. In this episode, we have a guest!! She joins us to talk about a Gilmore Girls crack ship, Once Upon A Time fan accounts, and One Direction fandom politics. Enjoy!!
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00:00:04
Speaker
Hi! Welcome back to Fixated, podcast with us, Joelle and Ellen. I'm Joelle. And I'm Ellen. This is the podcast where we talk about the media and culture and things that we just can't look away from.
00:00:16
Speaker
Yeah, and things just can't get away from. And why it all matters so much to us. Yes. Today we have a guest with us, our friend Bridget. Yes.
00:00:26
Speaker
And we talk a little bit about riddles. We talk about crack ships and the politics of fandom. Yep. A lot of other stuff. It was a great episode. It was a great episode.
00:00:38
Speaker
Please enjoy. Yeah, we're so excited to have our first guest on the pod. Our guest on the pod. Long time fan. Friend of the pod. And we're together recording this for the first time, which is crazy. Also, like, yeah. Kind huge for us. It is huge.
00:00:55
Speaker
No split screen Zoom today. Exactly. Hopefully this can happen again sometime very soon, but, you know. i'm wondering if we have bridget introduce herself or you just keep it rolling i don't know what's up your friend gosh our dear dear friend yeah i don't know what to say in an intro this is my second time ever on a podcast with the dual they have a monopoly yeah yeah um currently i'm a teacher i live in seattle Yes. Let's see if we exaggerate that. No, because if there's plenty of people in Seattle. I'm going to remain opinionless on the city as a whole. I will not speak on Seattle. But I will say, this isn't media related, but every time I move to a city, they win the Super Bowl.
00:01:46
Speaker
Well, there we go. that is i have that effect on cities. Go Birds. Go Birds. That's
00:01:54
Speaker
Yes, good job. I was going to say maybe next Super Bowl season New York Giants win. Now, it's a possibility. And I would dig deeper into the logistics of that if I thought you guys would want to hear it. But it's not entirely off the table. It's not entirely. i mean mean, you're there. like There we go.
00:02:17
Speaker
They're in one step in the right direction. I'm an amazing offensive and defensive coordinator. yeah And so what I do is I tell them what plays they should be doing. Normally, if the other team has the ball for my team, I'll say maybe we should catch it instead of the other team and then completely get in session. That's always he's my big plan.
00:02:37
Speaker
And hey, it's been working so hard. It's an effective strategy. wish more people would listen. It's like a perfect plan. Yeah. That's my introduction, I think. Yeah. You're getting straight into a football sport. And I have my bad bunny on. You do? wait Yeah, wait yeah you're very in-connected. Yeah. yeah so This is from football. um This is from an Instagram ad, if I'm being totally honest. And so is this. Instagram ads are going to get 100% of the time. Because I didn't know what this is um i didn't know what cookies were.
00:03:09
Speaker
What you mean that? Like cookies. Online cookies. I was always like, ah, cookies, of course. Sure, I'll have them. Those sound great. And so my ads now so awesome because all of my online data is completely tracked. Yeah, say, give me more cookies. Yes, I'll take maximum cookies. love most cookies. Yes.
00:03:28
Speaker
But okay, so exciting. Guest on the pod, in person. the first question that we usually ask is, what are our non-media fixations? for this undisclosed period of time. Hashtag vacation edition or not.
00:03:43
Speaker
Yeah. Do you want to start, Brid? How would you go first? You tell us your biggest fixations lately. Yeah. Non-media. Yes, non-media. Unless it's, um unless you want it to be media. Unless it has to be media. We're both kind of on. That's true. Yeah, we can have a ah shared fixation. Yeah. shared Riddles. I've been so big into riddles. We've been big into riddles. Oh gosh. This week. I have been, it's been a couple months for me of getting really serious about riddles. Like anytime I go out to dinner with my friends or anything and like there's any kind of lulling conversation, I'm like someone should Google riddles. And the thing about it is that I'm really good at riddles. You are. You've been of flying through them. I've been like pretty locked in. Yeah, we were sitting at the table. You were banging out those answers. yeah I'm not good with like the long form ones, but like the short ones are... yeah
00:04:31
Speaker
And i I am a teacher. I teach 10th grade. My kids are all so much smarter than me. And just they get it immediately. Well, here's the thing. now they're They're much smarter than me in almost all ways.
00:04:42
Speaker
And they're also more athletic than me, which we found out at the student faculty basketball game. Mm hmm. But I can donk on them with these riddles. And so I have been like, it frustrates them to no end because they're like, we know that you're looking this up beforehand. And I'm like, no, no, man. I just know these riddles. So I see, you're not facilitating the ri riddles. You guys are doing them together. Yeah. Because like at the end, I always end staying at work late because I'll look at a kid and be like,
00:05:10
Speaker
Google riddles. guess Like five other kids be like, come here. Riddles competition. no that's good. That's good. That's good. You're bonding. so way forward bonding and Bonding through the power of riddles. Yeah. I can't say I'm a fan.
00:05:24
Speaker
We're also learning this. We learned that about you. Oh, I feel like it's, yeah, I feel like it reflects poorly on my character that I don't like them, but i I don't know. I like the idea of being like, oh, this is fun. Game.
00:05:39
Speaker
Words. It is frustrating. I was getting mad during the snaps one. Yeah, yeah. Oh, God, I'm happy that. It's about to get dark. It's about to get dark. I didn't figure that one out quickly. We cannot reveal... Nothing. can't reveal... and Almost anything about what that is Anything about it. No. But if you find yourself in a game of snaps, i just know... We all figured it out. Except for, well, me, because i got really angry about one minute in and Google it. be sure You said you knew it before, right? I had played it before, but I couldn't remember how it was played, which was making me angrier. yeah
00:06:11
Speaker
And so I had to look it up immediately so that I could be done with that. I had about 10 pages of notes where I was trying to convert letters into numbers and then back into letters in a way that was not making sense. Yeah, she was about to invent Morse code again.
00:06:28
Speaker
through snaps alone. And we we did one of like the longer ones, the like, yeah. played really long form riddle the other Which to be fair, it wasn't supposed to be that long form and it took us about an hour and a half to answer that one. Yeah. Didn't explain this either, but with some of the like the long riddles, I don't like them. this is me being vulnerable. I don't like them as well because they creep me out. I don't like... There's some weird alchemy of, like, the suspense and you're talking about, like, murder and stuff. We were outside in the dark and i was like, ah this gives me a bad feeling. Like, I don't like...
00:07:03
Speaker
ghost stories i don't like any like it gave me the same feeling of like listening to people being like oh and then what happened next i don't like that acknowledge it the physical position our bodies are because i think it was very indicative of the kind of time that we were all having like ellen and i for about an hour and a half were hunched over the table like completely were locked in yeah yeah and then i looked over and joelle's head it was just in her arms Because it freaks me out. And I was i was yeah staring straight at like the dark forest while we're talking to this. And i was like, I just, i was like, go.
00:07:36
Speaker
This makes me really uncomfortable for some reason. felt like I was a detective. I was going detective mode. I was really, and to be clear, I was really bad at it. And I was asking questions that were not on the right track at all. But I was locked in. That'd be a good show. We're all detectives and we're all bad at it. So is there a force from outside of campus?
00:07:59
Speaker
Is it an internal or external force? I got so close to solving the riddle by asking a question about like an airplane, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then I was like, well, were they on vacation? Which threw us off for maybe another like 30 minutes. Yeah, we kept just getting distracted by laughing at the jokes we were making. there a gas? Yeah. We wanted to know if anybody in the riddle was gay. there anything homoerotic going on? What else we need to know? yeah Who hates who? Anything challenger's kind of happening? Yeah, are the sides, are the points all touching? Yeah.
00:08:28
Speaker
yeah exactly person giving us this riddle was like you need to step away from this line of questioning yeah yeah so riddles yes very fixated on riddles um a lot of my fixation which i just requested more of is of course cheeto puffs i love cheeto puffs that's all i don't really buy them for myself and so what a joy every time that the three of us tend to hang out there are usually not cheeto puffs but a cheese ball situation happening almost every time we're on any sort of vacation together there's a big bucket of cheese balls happening i think i've
00:09:09
Speaker
I think I'm a cheese balls family. Like I think we get that at the store. and Like anytime there's any kind of thing happening, it's like, oh, we got to the- Cheese balls. The bucket of cheese balls. And they're good. Yeah. and I want to be getting my hand in there. I want to be throwing cheese balls at my friends. It's so fun. And the cheese balls bucket also is like way too big to eat in one day. yeah And we always have it near a body of water. So by the time you get to the end of the cheese balls, it's weird, disgusting, soggy, or it's been dried out and it's dense. Yeah. I love hugging the cheese ball buckets. By the end, it always ends up like that's our buddy. We're hanging out. we our hands out We're hanging out. Oh my gosh.
00:09:48
Speaker
Our other fixation. Our other fixation. Where is he? Where is he? It's for the best he's not. He shouldn't be. He shouldn't be playing with him. We got this little somebody. He appeared. This little toy. This children's toy. This little pig. Is it children's toy? don't know. I would not give that another shot. I would not give that another shot. Okay, this adult.
00:10:09
Speaker
This is not safer. It's an adult toy. Explain that. This little guy. This little guy. a little malleable pig. That we've really been throwing around at the wall. It's like a Mr. Stretch. Insert picture here. Stretch Armstrong. We'll put a picture right here.
00:10:29
Speaker
We've been getting him stuck on the ceiling. We've been slamming him around. yeah Squishing his face in. we think he has a soul. yeah We're almost positive he has a soul.
00:10:41
Speaker
That's our guy. He's the best. the best.
00:10:47
Speaker
We really been fixated on him. Yeah. He's got his little tie on. He's commanding our, like, all of our attention and energy. you were just... A lot time spent on our next set. We were in a circle numerous times. Just laughing and pulling on him. Like, you guys, you guys, check him out. New shape. New shape. New shape unlocked. Great addition to the trip. Anything else? I mean, I guess that's like most of those fixations. Oh, the beach.
00:11:14
Speaker
Beach. Sun. Vacation. Hanging out yeah We're literally hanging out. Deving just a little bit sunburned in a normal way. Looking sun-kissed in beautiful.
00:11:24
Speaker
Yeah. But a nice time. Yeah. A lovely time at the beach. are we like halfway through maybe? Sorry. um No, I think we're here forever. Cut that, cut that. So those are our non-media fixations now moving on on fixated pod to our media fixations what we're all about what we're all here to talk about so um we're gonna put bridget on the hot seat um and get into some of hers her media fixations is there is there a media fixation that's like front of mind for you at the moment in general what do you think of i think we consume media very differently we do right
00:12:02
Speaker
i've The more I hang out with you, the more i realize I haven't seen any movies at all. yeah um But yeah, I get very, I guess, fixated on particular like TV shows.
00:12:14
Speaker
And right now it's been ah Madam Secretary. I'm really into Madam Secretary. totally so yeah Tell us about Madam Secretary. you Thank you. So, Tay Leone, it's also, it's a fictional world in which politicians have souls. right And that just tickles me. at At the end of a long day, I'm like, oh, I want to see the Secretary of State really stick her neck out to make some people's lives easier. You know what I mean? yeah And of course... Use all of her powers. Yes, yes. And of course it's Tay Leone. And...
00:12:50
Speaker
I don't know the husband's name in the show, but I also... don't Kevin or something. But I really like... I think they have a really beautiful relationship. And so I like watching their marriage. Aww.
00:13:07
Speaker
That's That's nice. Yeah. That's why I... But I'm almost done watching it. Have you not seen all of it? No. I ah have sort of a war ration system with that show because I don't want to run out. Yes. I do that. That's why I end up not finishing most shows that I really, really enjoy because the rationing starts to slow down toward the end. And you're like, no. And then the last few episodes, I'm like, okay, I got to give it another month. And then...
00:13:34
Speaker
I forget. and And I don't return to it. I did that with a one show. I'm not goingnna remember. so Oh, I did that with Ted Lasso, Loki. and then I think you'd enjoy it. I've seen the part where he plays darts and I love it.
00:13:49
Speaker
Oh, that's good. That's a good part. Yeah, it worked for me throughout most of it. And I'm glad that it kind of like did its thing and then moved on because God bless any show that just ends when it's supposed to end. I think they're making another. Well, they shouldn't do that. I got bad news for you. Well, they shouldn't do that. I think they're doing more. well i might be lying about that. It better be a spinoff or something because they just should just drop the character because then it would be in my ah my shit list, in my bad graces. And I also did it with Industry, oh unexpectedly, for the third season. i just didn't realize I didn't finish it. think I'd like that too.
00:14:19
Speaker
You would. I like Industry a lot. I would. It's got the girl from the movie. Yes. Yes. God, and know leave the world behind. Leave the world. Other media fixation. Yes. That is an excellent movie. Excellent. Excellent movie.
00:14:35
Speaker
I don't I i don't. I disagree. But I respect that you like it so much. and I just watch it twice. Happy that you have a movie that you love. There's nothing like awful about it. I actually really like the cast.
00:14:46
Speaker
The cast is great. The cast great. um And they got together and they made magic. To be clear, I don't remember why I hate it so much, but I really am not a fan of that movie. One of my least favorites. Yeah.
00:14:59
Speaker
It's based off a book, right? Probably. Did read the book? I know. I think it's based off a book. um And who's in there? Mahershala Ali, Julia Roberts. Julia Roberts, Mihala. how you say it? Mihala? I think it might be Mihala. Who's the industry. um And Ethan Hawke.
00:15:20
Speaker
Right? Yeah. yes Is Kevin Bacon in that? Yes. Yes. Kevin Bacon. Which one's Kevin Bacon? He's the end. Yeah, he's the neighbor that they tried to get the medicine from. Yeah. his name I don't I don't know who anybody is. i watched the Oscars and i have to have you guys constantly in contact with me because I don't know who anyone is. yeah Julia Roberts, is that not the same name as the old lady from Princess Iris?
00:15:45
Speaker
No. You're talking about Julie Andrews. Yes. like Yes. Julie Andrews. Who's also Mary Poppins. Yes. In Sound of Music. yes Hey, it's a similar name. Media expert. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I also like the movie Silver Linings Playbook. Silver Linings Playbook is awesome. That is my official on paper favorite movie of all time. That was an answer in jeopardy.
00:16:06
Speaker
Really? Yes. Let's talk about Silver Linings Playbook. I've never seen that. It's awesome. I know. We should watch it. We should watch it. We should watch it. Oh my gosh. It's so good. It just really is good. And the thing about that is Jennifer Lawrence was so young it. Yes. She's so young. Yeah. She's so good in that movie. She's so good. It's crazy. Her characters, like, I just love that movie so much. And Bobby De Niro. And Bradley Cooper, which Bradley Cooper, I just don't know what I'm supposed to think about. I love that movie. Bradley Cooper. No, I love him in that movie. I guess, yeah, this is my starting point where like, that movie's so good.
00:16:45
Speaker
And I think, I guess in mind, I'm like, he must have other really good performances to be like where he is in his career, but I can't think of them. And maybe I'm just understudied. Do you know anything else? Other than Guardians the Galaxy. He's in Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah, he's the raccoon.
00:16:59
Speaker
In Guardians of the Galaxy, he's the voice of Rocket. No, that's a raccoon. You're forgetting. That's a raccoon.
00:17:11
Speaker
I just need to look back at his career. I think I'm having trouble in this moment and I'm confusing him with Matthew McConaughey. So I am right am picturing Bradley Cooper in ten How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. But I know that that isn't true. also haven't seen that movie. It was good.
00:17:27
Speaker
We're like, that's a good one. This is a little bit what happens. We're like, oh yeah, that one is good. I just rewatched that one recently. Yeah, it's a good one to yeah just have on.
00:17:37
Speaker
It's cute. I watched it, yeah. For the first time with you, moved like a year ago. What's her name? Andy? Andy Anderson. Andy Anderson. Ben Barry? Benjamin Barry. Benjamin Barry, yeah. Some really great characters. Yeah, it's fantastic. I like the other movie with the 10 in it.
00:17:54
Speaker
10 Things I Hate About You. Yes, yes, yes, yes. That is, yes, that is a favorite of mine forever and ever and ever. It's so funny. So underrated in that movie, which also brings me right back to Madam Secretary anyway one second um is is um and now I'm like blanking um I'm gonna have to give you second gotta think about it the one who's playing the like the principal or whatever in 10 Things Hate About You and she's writing the like smutty or like the like the the like erotic novel in the movie not actually that familiar with the movie I've only seen it the once let me just look up because I'm truly just blanking on her name you know who's a principal that I'm attracted to who School of Rock
00:18:35
Speaker
Who's the principal in that? See, and that's who I'm trying not to say. That's Joan Cusack. Yes. i yeah I like her. But am trying so hard. Joan, if this crosses your desk, um drop me a line.
00:18:46
Speaker
um Who's the lady DMed one time? Hoda?
00:18:55
Speaker
Why? Were you with me when that? Yeah, i was with you. Yeah. Because she, I just don't know she was getting divorced from her husband or something. So Bridget started DMing her. I just DMed her the one time I sent a very respectful message.
00:19:07
Speaker
What did you say? I don't know. I read i remember I unsent it when I woke up. You unsent it. I unsent it. I just think I was like, you are very inspirational to me. i think I sent her my exact salary. tired if You're interested in going on one really expensive date. Yes.
00:19:27
Speaker
Hand raised. Alison Janney. Alison Janney! Yes! From I-Tanya! From I-Tanya! Exactly. love I-Tanya! And the reason why makes me think of Madam Secretary is because course, he also plays CJ in The West Wing, which I randomly watched a couple episodes of the other day just out of comfort. And it is also show in which like politicians have like beating hearts and really care. It's like total live out. comfort politician show is Veep, which is a very very different kind of vibe. They're not good people, but yeah oh my god, I love that show. You would love Veep. The second you finish Madam Secretary, turn on V. It's so funny.
00:20:09
Speaker
That's Julia... Yeah, Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Louis-Dreyfus, yeah. It's so It's so funny. It really is really, really funny. And Buster Bluth. Is in there? my god, yes, yeah. She's so good.
00:20:19
Speaker
Buster We were watching Arrested Development. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I a while ago was showing my sister, like Dan and Amy edits from Veep and she was like, this is another big, like big victims of just people walking next to each other. But you know what?
00:20:37
Speaker
Again, not to bring it back to the West Wing, but these things share yeah your DNA. um I feel like a random ship that I have is Donna and Josh on the West Wing. They're just cute. That's a good question. Bridget, do you have like a favorite ship? from anything you've watched ever?
00:20:53
Speaker
I guess I don't know because I was like really putting in the work to shift people who essentially like have never had a conversation. Right. Like I love that. Yeah. Because I will not I don't care about the straight couples. Yeah. no Like that's they're boring. yeah Dan and Amy I think was my first. I think the technical term is crack shivers. Is that what it is? I love the practice show. And then we we say OTP. Yes. yes yeah And then we say OTP. We in the media world. Us media. that 70s show and being like
00:21:27
Speaker
i feel like i was like in sixth grade watching like that seventy show like No, I want the red hair one and the brunette to be smooshy. I was building, up planting the seeds. Yeah. yeah and that's That's good. that's I've been thinking ah a lot about crack ships lately. and I wrote this down to mention at some point on the pod because I find them so funny, especially when it's like characters that have never interacted yeah I love big one lately is Rose Lana and Svetlana those girls don't interact the only two girls on Heated Rivalry they're shipping them together online on google.com they're shipping those girls Rachel Reed we're begging you in book 3 make those ladies kiss one doesn't come to mind but oh my god I have one yes
00:22:18
Speaker
Gilmore Girls, Rory and Paris. That is so, that is, that to me, that is the truth and the way. yeah I watch Gilmore Girls and I'm like, these two need to get together. When I watched Gilmore Girls when I was young, and this is shocking because like it makes no sense for me, but I loved Paris. like I had the biggest crush. yeah despite the blonde thing like she's really just despite her affliction she's just a vibe terrorist and yeah yes I just loved that I loved how crazy it was did you watch all the Gilmore Girls Ellen? I watched maybe the first season of it um I didn't get very far Yeah, I've seen it all. Do you you want to watching it all? Yeah. um Did you also find it just unbearably annoying by the end of it? I did, yes. did not watch the Netflix season, though, I will say.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yeah, I did. I did not engage in that. I did just to kind of see it through. but even then I was going to, I was like, these people are about piss me off and they did and they still did. Most of them were fine. Actually I have a media opinion about this show. Okay. I think that Luke and Lorelei's first kiss is the best first kiss in any tv show or movie. Right when they're like under that like their first yeah yeah yeah. Because then and then like his name is like Kurt like runs through and is like because it's awkward. I love that it's awkward and it's weird because friends for so long and it's like I don't know they
00:23:48
Speaker
it is They don't make it like a smooth transition. Yeah. And I like that. Big thing. Yeah. That was a good slow burn. Just like, yeah. That was really worth it. So good. I really like Luke's character. a cool guy. He's a nice guy. I mean, I think the the question with that show is which boyfriend Rory's is the best.
00:24:09
Speaker
None. Yeah. I was not really going to say that. And then also in the last season, like I would bare knuckles fist fight Rory. Oh yeah. That's what I mean. sucks so that And you know who could have fixed her?
00:24:23
Speaker
She was the only one this job. These men didn't really care about Rory. like right Because there was Dean who also they switched up on Dean's character. They did, but he That's the only thing I really know about One More Girls is that Dean sucks. He cheats on his wife.
00:24:44
Speaker
with yeah He's in the new one? No, this is still in the course of the actual, yeah. How long did this show go? but this is I don't know the exact dates, but i think there's, what, seven seasons? Okay. It's Dean, and then the two others are indistinguishable to me. They're both the blonde guys, right? There's Jess. I know Jess. Oh, Jess.
00:25:05
Speaker
I do not like Jess. I do not like him. That young man is so disrespectful. He had problems.
00:25:16
Speaker
He a heart of His heart was not made of gold. His heart was... yeah i are I want to have a half hour phone call with Jess's parents or Luke and just be like, listen, we got to come up with a plan. Well, that's the problem. It was really just Luke. I know. Luke was up to the job of Jess. I do not like that kid. i Do you like him any more than Logan? Logan's he's a shit as well. i know you said they're indistinguishable. They're indistinguishable. Come on.
00:25:42
Speaker
Come on. I think Logan was nicer. i think that what's his face jess i think he was almost exclusively condescending to rory oh i don't think i disagree i do not like i i feel like i feel like he was conflictingly so but he was very sweet he like acted out and was kind of like um dismissive and stuff like that but of like everybody but he was always generally very soft towards rory Why did you drop out Yale? See, I like when he yelled at her the one time, why did you drop out of Yale? And that's the other thing, I feel like part of it as well, I'm like, okay, I also just like biased, obviously, but I do feel like as the show deteriorated and everyone was just so freaking annoying, when he came back, he was, they decided to write him normal, in my opinion. Him coming back, he a much better person. He was like a voice of reason. Yes. Thank you.
00:26:34
Speaker
He was a much better character. Yeah. Why does she drop out of Yale? I like don't remember. never I can't remember the reasoning of the show. What's her whole thing? Because she moves into like her grandparents' like pool house or something. Yeah. Well, I think I really like like her mom, Lorelai Gilmore. I think that's about it. I like her character a lot. Oh, there's one episode. not so This is going on for me. It's okay. The one episode, it's it makes me cry because it's the only time where Lorelai, the mom one, and the grandma like how but have a positive interaction. and it's when they're doing like the fashion show.
00:27:11
Speaker
Do you know what I'm talking about? Do you know what I mean? When they do the fashion show together and they're both like kind of miserable to be doing it and then they walk out and they realize like it's funny and they just like for one second like laugh and smile together and it's really the only time in the whole series that they have like a moment of humanity between the two of them that's not like emotionally charged in some way. It's really cute. Yeah. I really like that episode. So anyone's trying to see me cry put that episode on the TV. Yeah.
00:27:41
Speaker
But I think one of our biggest differences I wanted to but this is something I wanted to bring up. I think that we the three of us have very different like young internet socialization. I feel like were in very different circles. were actually, sort yes yeah. Because we were both very online but yes we were in differing circles. Yes. Even though we were both on Tumblr. Yeah. We were different sides of Tumblr, I think. Yeah. Yeah. What were you doing online? Where were you? Which circle were you in? Where you? Just like, I was really into like, there were a couple of Hannah Hart.
00:28:12
Speaker
do you guys know Hannah Hart? I do. yes. I do. I was big into Hannah Hart, like my drum kitchen. And then I had, i was big into, um, there was like a lesbian friend group, like Amy Boardman, Rebecca Black. Um,
00:28:23
Speaker
And they they posted- Becca Black? Mm-hmm. That's her back then. I missed that. didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. She was- And that's the thing is it was- I feel like my slice of the internet was so singular to, like, just lesbians. Mm-hmm. Like, I don't- I don't feel that really the bisexuals were even there. Like, I think it was just so, like- Yeah, it was very, very specific. Yeah. Because a lot of things didn't cross my desk. Mm-hmm. Like, one direction.
00:28:48
Speaker
That did not cross my desk. It was my whole desk. Yeah. And, like, that was... Because we were just on such... we were on such different journeys. Yeah. and I was... I have to, I can't remember if I've shown you guys any of it, but like, I was watching, um, Carmilla, the Canadian lesbian YouTube series. You've mentioned it.
00:29:04
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Unfamiliar. Peace and love to the creators. Is this the vampire situation? Yes. Yeah. Okay. okay yeah It's supposed to, it's filmed like, um, like a girl, like recording herself in her dorm. She's doing like a video diary. And then she like falls in love with her,
00:29:18
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ah vampire roommate thing. And i would I would literally go on my phone. I would go on safari. I would like go onto like a private server and then I would watch it and I would stay up late in the night and I'd be like, whoa. My iPod touch. This is awesome. So cute. Yeah. What about you, Ellen?
00:29:35
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How would you characterize I mean, we know where I was. I was in like the most, in my mind, like fandom-y fandom circles that one could find of like the Super Hulak situation and Marvel. Like I was like Tumblr girl. I think definably, like that's, at least in my mind, when you Googled Tumblr girl, like that's yeah what I was. Super Hulak is like major. Exactly. Yeah, that was my vibe. That was. Yeah. for sure and it was awesome and it was the best I think we were in charge for a reason um and I was just from an early age one direction mainly I feel like one direction I think that just in that like led to like more general like British invasion to Boydow and so like the um Ed Sheeran in the 1975 of it all I guess maybe very musicy in general because I feel like a lot of my time was spent like
00:30:28
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on YouTube a bunch, looking at music videos, looking at other, like, content. But then, like, One Direction also, then these are just, like, fanfic, and fanfic generally, and Tumblr, of course. And you're on Tumblr, and you're just, like, following, looking at the tags, tags, tags, and learning about every single, like, ship known to man. Every piece of content. so this thing I feel like I probably, like, I definitely came across Super Hula, because I know what it is. Yeah, I, but I didn't really, like, parallel to it yeah, but I didn't, like, watch it until, I watched Supernatural for a while.
00:30:57
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Right. Yes. But I didn't really engage online fandom. Fair. Mark safe. yeah Exactly. No, no, I watched Supernatural and I watched Sherlock.
00:31:10
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But again, neither. Oh. Should we say it? We'll be watching that. Yeah. It's like you'd love it. You would love Sherlock. I know you would.
00:31:20
Speaker
Yeah. Sherlock was really good. My dad liked Sherlock. think I might have started with Sherlock. That was my intro to queerbaiting, I think. Queerbaiting 101. Oh my god. Queerbaiting 101. That sounds like such a fun college class. Oh my god, wait. That would be awesome. Professor Ellen. Dr. Ellen.
00:31:40
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dr ellen Do you guys know my um lore of the... I've only ever read one fanfic in my life. Yes. Do you know what it was?
00:31:52
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I read it in high school and I like genuinely, it was like, it was long. It took me a couple of days. That's awesome. i loved the long ones I feel like you've mentioned
00:32:00
Speaker
You've mentioned it before. i can see in your eyes you've mentioned it before, but I'm blanking so hard. It's so dumb. I love sharing this. What is it? I read a Saturday Night Live Kate McKinnon fanfic. It was like a YN. Is that what we say? Your name here? like Yeah. Kate McKinnon, ex-reader. Yeah. It was before that was what they called it. I think it used to just be YN. Yeah.
00:32:23
Speaker
And yeah, it was... um Yeah, it was like you go to, you go see SNL and then after it, Kate McKinnon asks you to get like spaghetti with her and then you like fall in love. And I was oh it was up all hours of the night reading that. Yeah. yeah That's, I guess, a good question for you, Joel, to ignore our guest. Were you ever doing the the like ex-reader situation? because that's something I never got into.
00:32:44
Speaker
Not really. i didn't want to be a part it. I think the furthest it went was like, just like seeing imagines and like, but like, but that's, I guess, like the bite size yeah nature. I was kind of like, okay, imagine, like whatever. But I was never invested. I was really invested. Boy, she's. Yeah, those boys are going to get her. I'm not a part this. But like to get into the specifics, I just wrote a whole book, talked about it last time, where they she really detailed more than I was ever invested. um almost Almost scared to even mention it, but Larry Stiles.
00:33:17
Speaker
Because apparently that's like truly, again, I was never that invested in it. But I think according to that account of history, that was one of the things that like truly tore the fandom apart, which I kind of understood. That makes sense. But like, yeah. like I think she, she being Larry Stylanson, probably did play a big role in history. we know if this is like, how real is... It's not real. It's not real.
00:33:44
Speaker
because of all the things like obviously like i say one direction didn't cross my desk like all my friends had like one direction posters who and i would get home at night and just get into the lab and try to figure out what these girls cared about i was like i can't imagine yeah what the deal is like i don't i don't care about these young men and i cannot figure out Oh, i mean, but from my, don't know, go ahead, what do you use? I liked the Larry guy, the situation. You did like the Larry situation. The Larry guy? Well, I think, I think, I think the Larry guy. like that Larry. Which one is Larry? I wish I like, I almost wish I had the book because I'm not good at just like quoting some rising.
00:34:24
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I did like how she like talked about it in general because I think it like adds context to Loki what so much of like heated rivalry conversation was about as well. and we're like like So many women, like parenthetical assuming like straight women are you know always making that distinction, um love love like boys kissing, it's just crazy, like oh my god, you know whatever.
00:34:45
Speaker
In the same book, what's it called? Everything I Need I Get From You by Caitlin Tiffany, citing it. don't know. She just like talks very like reasonably about being like, yeah, like so much of like shipping is about like desiring desire. Just the idea of like romance itself is what fuels it in a sense. I'm probably not doing...
00:35:03
Speaker
her very much credit explaining it. you think those two talked about it among themselves? yeah! I don't think there's any way they could. problems. Like, hey, they're out there limerencing this. They're of the nation of limerence outside this point. It caused a lot of problems. It caused a lot of problems. And yeah, that's what she details. There's... I think it might be called Bullshit Day or something, as it's commemorated by the fandom, where Louis tweeted being like, all this Larry stuff is bullshit or something, and just sent it out there. Just dang.
00:35:35
Speaker
that's great um And that, and like a lot of Larry Shippers were like, that isn't real. That's at Louis Tomlinson, not Louis Tomlinson, at Louis Tomlinson as a like signifier for when the label is speaking for him through his yeah social media. Like it's, it's highly conspiratorial thinking, like entirely. It's my favorite kind. It is, but I'm trying not to like judge at all because I, there is a level to of delusion to that, but there's a level of delusion to the way that I also am consuming media. Right. But I personally am not messing with the RPF stuff.
00:36:05
Speaker
at all. Is it real person sick fiction? yeah I think, yeah, real person fiction, on which is where you're shipping real people instead of characters. of life, though. It is, yeah. that's It's like a fine it' a fine line. It's a fine line. i Because I think that's what find so interesting. Because and we'll never stop doing it. I guess we can stop talking about it. if That's true. I don't think there's necessarily an issue with it unless you're being creepy to the people. yeah I just and have never really messed with that.
00:36:32
Speaker
i find it so interesting because... How do explain this? I feel like, again, always end talking about heated robbery, but it's the most recent thing that this applies to. In a way, I'm like, why are you going to bother them when the characters are right there? And they're actually in love. Yeah, I'm like, why bother? But then that makes an interesting point about the one direction of it all, because...
00:36:50
Speaker
Before I even like thought about it as RPF, I was oh look yeah like, oh, yeah, was shibbing. But in my mind, at that point in time in my life, they weren't they weren't I wasn't thinking about them as like real people. That's interesting, yeah. Per se. You know what I mean? Just like those like levels of like degrees of separation. i feel like a celebrity was different back then, too. Yeah, right? Being famous at that time, I think you were playing a character, at least to some degree. yeah Whereas now, I feel like the...
00:37:16
Speaker
It's just a different. There's less of a line. Yeah. Which I think people or why there's like Larry's silence and like the degree it got to did feel like such a breach for people where they're like, okay, of course we're going like read fanpage. But like, you guys can't be talking about how they're like the children that they're having, like, or the women that they're having children with. aren't, like, faking it, not real people, this, that, you know, like, doing all this, like, and just, like, crazy. They're like, you guys gotta chill. Like, what the hell are you talking about? Larry Starlinson. Yeah, but it's totally not. like, loki ruin probably ruined their relationship. Dang. I don't think they are not friends. They're not Well, yeah, I mean, they to be fair, don't know. If any, like, i yeah, I wouldn't be able to confirm. I think i don't think public maybe enough time has passed now where it's like,
00:38:06
Speaker
less intense also so like who knows because they're also now much more grown again yeah so you would hope probably they have some type of relationship but it definitely changed how they interacted while they were in one direction and it was like a yeah it was going i'm wondering if i could look at a picture of them and know their names. Be able to discern which one is which. I don't yeah i don't know that I could. I'm just not sure. yeah But shout out that book. It really did help fill in the gaps yeah that's for me. I was like, huh, this is a fascinating history. I miss like having that level of, I guess, care, though.
00:38:42
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Yeah, there's some... I ran a fan account. like Yeah, so did Yeah. A little bit. I ran a Twitter with my friend. ran it like... Feels like something I would do. What was your fan account? Once Upon a Time.
00:38:55
Speaker
Right. And I ran it like I was not playing. It was so serious. Cause you will get blocked. and And I was like, follow for follow. Like, what do you think you are Beyonce? Like come back like you're getting a DM. He was sending DMS. I had, a um,
00:39:17
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I had like ah like ah like a role play group on Kik where we all would just say things and pretend to be the characters, whatever. yeah And I had auditions for it and I was cutting people. wow I was being like, you're not good enough. But it was all an elaborate ploy because I was trying to get um some of the cast from the show to be in my Kik group. And I did get the one, like the kid that plays Henry, who I think is probably like,
00:39:45
Speaker
around our age. Yeah. Yeah. But his sister followed my account. And so then I was in touch with her being like, Hey, does he want to try out for like my kick role play group? And she was like, he's in the show. Like he's got a job. as like well and Everybody has to audition. So he can't, he's not just going to get right into the kick. Oh my God.
00:40:03
Speaker
I cut somebody who I went to school with. Wow. Yeah. He auditioned for Prince Charming and i was like, I'm underwhelmed. And it was a joke. The auditions were in the comments and you just had to say a quote. and if i in i And if I didn't like it, I would respond and be like, not good enough. Sorry.
00:40:22
Speaker
I didn't know this to this detail. Yeah, I was like, i was really serious. oh I would do shout outs. I do like follower of the week. oh And then I like, if somebody would like, like all my posts, I would like DM them and be like, thank you so much for the account for reveal. Did you delete it No, it's once upon a time, five, four, three, two, one. um Yeah, go follow it. there's there There's definitely underscores in there.
00:40:44
Speaker
And I was also like Googling memes of the show. Like I posted one picture of like Rumpelstiltskin with like the skincare routine in front of him and the caption was just like, LOL. Oh, Once Upon a Time was not a real show. I mean, very real. I took it so seriously. I mean, yeah, I really did like it. I really did like it for a second, but I also feel like it just kind of like... It got crazy. We had an interest. I feel like had a... Yeah, yeah. I...
00:41:09
Speaker
loved Little Red Riding Hood. I was her for Halloween one year in her like teeny tiny little skirt. yeah She's gay in the show. They do a gay smooch. I think it's her and I think it's like one of the one of the princesses, the one that's like a asleep or something, Aurora.
00:41:25
Speaker
Sleeping Beauty? So is Little Red Riding Hood the one that comes gifts her snoot to wake up? Yes, it's True Love's Kiss. And True Love's Kiss was like, Well, good for Once Upon a Time. Good for True Love's Kiss. Understood their audience quite well. They knew it was just me tuning in. They were like, well, I'll throw her a ball Poor kid. They really had a good time just putting things together. Throwing shit at the wall. Throwing shit the wall. That was also one of the most important ships for me was Emma Swan and then the Wicked Witch. I was going to say Hook.
00:42:00
Speaker
Yeah, the Wicked Witch. I'm going to get the fight. off on see you know this I see what you're saying. We can go back in time and we can really have a fight about this. Yeah. Yeah. let those dms yeah And then Regina, I remember that being thing. No, yeah. yes that's a very It wasn't my thing. I did like him a hook i but not like him. I wanted him out.
00:42:25
Speaker
if He's so handsome. knows he You know who I liked? Sebastian Stan when he popped in. Sebastian Stan! That's so crazy that he was there. yeah but where is Sebastian Stan? And that story was like...
00:42:40
Speaker
fucked up storyline. I don't remember it at all. I remember being like, this is dark and crazy. I don't remember actually what happened. It could be entirely normal. A lot of it was like quite dark. Yeah, it was a really dark show. I think it was like his daughter got stuck in Alice in Wonderland land or something. Oh, you're right. just remember so many more details than that. I don't remember at all. It was such a grab bag of stuff. It was. I remember also the Peter Pan situation being really dark. Again, don't remember that at all. Peter Pan is like Rumpelstiltskin's dad.
00:43:09
Speaker
yeah for some really messed up reason something crazy happened i would re-watch it is such a good show we should yeah we should make a re-watch everybody was everybody's dad uh-huh yes all of once upon a time i feel like the little kid henry too everybody was his dad oh they were star wars again every single episode was like henry i'm your father yeah how many fathers does he have it's everywhere in town yeah How is it possible? It's once upon time. Yeah. feel like there's a slight. No. I noticed few times we keep saying it's kind of a crazy bad show. Yeah. No, it's a great show. It's a great. Guys.
00:43:50
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mean. Oh. Yeah. It's very good. Yeah. It's very camp. We should get whoever created that show to come and speak to us. um Third pod invitation, the creator of Once Upon Time. The unnamed creator of Once Upon a Time.
00:44:07
Speaker
um Just to shift a little bit back into interview mode. I wanted to pose a question because part of the idea with having guests is to also ask them a little bit about what they do creatively and kind of maybe connect some dots about what they enjoy media wise. So what do you do creatively, Bridge?
00:44:27
Speaker
I like to think I get silly with it when I teach. There we go. Yes, yes. Classroom is your stage. It is. And the kids hate that, but it is true. They can tell when I have rehearsed a joke and they ask me to nod. They ask me to stop. They say, hey, Miss B. But the thing is, it's nice because they kind of at some points, I'm in charge ultimately. Have you ever had an audience whose parents you could call if they don't laugh at you? Ultimately. Because it's awesome. The ultimate captive audience. I'll tell a joke and then if they don't laugh, I'm like, oh, you mustn't have heard me.
00:44:59
Speaker
Let me that again. We won't move on until I hear some laughter. Yeah, I feel like because I, part of my whole thing is that I do work all the time as you, I don't have much time outside of my job.
00:45:11
Speaker
But yeah, I get, I get creative with my slides. Sometimes I'll put a funny picture on there. The worst, I was having such a bad day and I had so many silly pictures on my slides and the kids were being bad and I was grumpy. And like, we were talking about like, an economic crisis. And like I had just had a kid be so wildly disrespectful to me in front of the whole class and I am holding back tears. and I switched to my next slide. and It's like, you know, the ones like stonks. And i look at that and I was one of the kids was like, when you were feeling silly when you made these slides, Miss B. Not feeling silly now. Not anymore. Joke's over.
00:45:50
Speaker
Yeah. I like to do bits with the children. What's the most well-received bit? They don't like anything. I just, I like to really exaggerate my age and exaggerate how much I don't know or understand things. And so I had a kid tell me a joke once. That's a joke from like the internet. Like I had a kid looking over my shoulder on my phone. i tried to like move my phone away from them. And then one of the kids goes, Miss B, nobody wants the recipe to your peach cobbler.
00:46:17
Speaker
And I laughed for probably like 20 full minutes. And now every time I see her, I'm like, tell the joke. And then I'll bring other people over and be like, have you heard her joke? It is amazing. It's the funniest joke. And they're like, Miss B, like it's from, it's from the internet. And I'm like, I know she said it. And then went viral because it's the funniest joke in the world. That's been, that's been my big bit recently. other bit with the kids is the killer. And so they know. The killer's the one.
00:46:44
Speaker
Yeah, they they know about the killer. Is the killer a bit? Are you real life scared? You have to tell our listeners about the killer. Well, it's like the Wendy Woj. It's from Wendy Woj. That's where it's from. yeah But I've just very seriously adopted it. But now the kids know. Like I was taking the kids on a field trip and they asked if they could go into the gas station alone without me. yeah And I was like, obviously not.
00:47:05
Speaker
The killer. And i was and yeah they were like they were like, why? And I was like, you know why? and they went, the killer? Yes! Yes! The killer! oh Yeah, they all know. Add that to the watch list as well. Just compilations of every time Wendy do Williams talks about the killer. Oh my god. Or when she said she she would eat crow. I was just going to mention that. That was the funniest. Oh my god. That compilation is the best. Because my favorite part of that is the like calling. That keeps coming through every time she brought it up. who I think that's something we're missing now culturally.
00:47:41
Speaker
what, Wendy Williams? Yes. Yes. And I don't know. To be honest, I'm sure she's done some controversial stuff. None of it's crossed my desk. No. Everything to me has been completely hilarious. And I really...
00:47:53
Speaker
like admire her like what's it called she's very reflective because like the one episode where she's crying and she's like i would ask people like to stay out of my business but i'm in everybody else's business like that's a woman who knows herself like you gotta respect it but yeah i guess that creatively i'm just making slides trying to make them silly and make it little like little bits on ongoing bits with the children what makes you laugh the youths usually yeah they do ridiculous stuff yeah they do absolutely ridiculous stuff because some of it is like the problem with being the adult in the room is oftentimes something will get said that is objectively completely hilarious but you're not allowed to laugh you have to be serious yeah that's really tough yeah and there was a
00:48:36
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fight that was really funny it was really quite funny a starbucks drink did get thrown at someone and in terms of my like job like it was serious yeah can't get thrown with that's funny like you're getting called into a meeting after work to talk about the pink drink that was hurled through the air by the way which i dodged yeah like that's funny Part of being able to like be in education at all is being able to see the humor in it. But also you're like, not really, you can't laugh. Right. Cause then it's, yeah. Cause then you like co-sign it. Yeah, exactly. Do it again. Exactly. again Exactly. now yeah One of the funniest things was when a kid climbed through the window yeah and I had to, I assigned him detention for that because that's not safe. um And then his detention reflection sheet was so funny because he has to reflect on like who was who was hurt by your actions. And he was like, nobody and actually everybody helped me climb through the window. And it was like, what can you do different next time? And he was like, not climb through the window.
00:49:36
Speaker
I wonder, I feel like, quick explainer, Bridget used to stand-up comedy. We used to stand-up comedy together. But should you do it again? um I wonder if you would be inclined or disinclined to use teaching experience. I feel like there's like a little like subgenre of people like Caleb Heron's even talked about like teaching. funny but Yeah, I thought about that too. Because there is there's like, you know, there's comedians, there's stand ups who specifically like are former teachers and that's all they talk about. And I feel like i would avoid getting boxed in in that way just because I don't have limitless experience. You know, like I have a couple of things that I'm like, that's a really funny story. And then outside of that, it's sort of like love the days are drudgery. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But yeah. yes No, I would love to do stand up again and try to be like, you know, yeah silly.
00:50:25
Speaker
Yeah. I still have my, you know, you have your stand up note with your phone. Well, and that's, yeah, that's, well, there we go. The goal is mine. The goal is mine. you will. Yeah. Yeah. Um, also like self-indulgent moment to talk about Chris Fleming. Yes. Cause I've been obsessed. Like all of March. I feel like I was just taking an opportunity to watch, I guess a lot of his like promo. Um, and he's awesome.
00:50:49
Speaker
I'm very proud of my like early connection to Chris Fleming. I'm late to almost everything media-wise, but I was a big Chris Fleming fan in high school. you guys was on the bus making people watch Chris Fleming videos. Nobody liked it. If I got on the bus and you were sitting next to me, YouTube was on. yeah yeah And I loved Gale. It is so funny. Ira Glasswaters Waters, Terry Grosswaters tery gro powders waters like That is so funny. Yeah. Us sitting down and watching. We sat down to the other day and watched.
00:51:18
Speaker
more of Gale Waters Waters. I hadn't really seen in like, like in order. it's Definitely not. I was familiar with it. I don't think I'd ever sat down and watched them. Other than like the company's coming yeah video. I think even early into our friendship, he said something about Gale Waters Waters and I was like, what and who is that? Like, I didn't know the name of it. i was yeah yeah I wasn't familiar at all. No, I was big into that series. I think I've seen all of it.
00:51:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He's just like a genius. Like Chris Fleming is so talented. Oh my God. The end of his standup special. I couldn't, I was laughing so hard. I couldn't see it. When he was talking about, are we allowed to like just say his joke? But yeah, he was, he was talking about like the haunted house and how he, the thing that scared him the most was like the very plain looking young woman in the Madewell outfit. I just could not, like this delivery is so funny. It's so crazy. Cause I watched it technically three times and just,
00:52:12
Speaker
Just every single time watched it, I was like, that is crazy that you just said, like something new. I think the thing that really made me laugh was he said something about like a zucchini, which is a cucumber that lost everything in the war.
00:52:28
Speaker
he's so creative yeah he's just yeah so fine yeah and I think that's one thing that like I really really like about him where I was like also like the level of like pop cultural references in themselves like it's very expansive but he just like fits some things in there that I'm like i feel seen he has so many good youtube videos he has one about like a boyfriend proposing on like christmas and he like just does an impression of a boyfriend and he's like i always keep my hand plunged in a fist just in case a gay tries to disrespect the troops what are you talking about i'm just like what are you saying i don't know it's inspirational i don't think at any point in time it would be almost foolish to compare but i just think about like writing comedy in the time that i did and i'm like wow
00:53:12
Speaker
weren't even getting close to that level like obviously but just like wow and he doesn't it's like so it's such a different form from other people like he's like not really telling stories no like he starts off telling a story then suddenly it's like yeah yeah where are we what's happening yeah but you don't miss the initial story you're not like wanting to like i don't know he's so good one of the few specials i feel like were like really similar in a sense even just with like pace and energy was um get on your knees with Get On Your News by Jacqueline Novak. Yes. Yes. Yes. Very good. um
00:53:48
Speaker
Yeah. Anything else? Do you have any real lives, real lives? Just to kind of send us all? Do you have anything controversial to give us this? Yeah. Anything extra? Any real lives, real lives?
00:53:59
Speaker
I do have anything controversial to give us. Oh, okay. And I've been getting actively more nervous about it the entire time because you guys will know you I have not I have it's not a fully fleshed out thought okay it's just something that's I'm like nervous I feel like I'm at the doctor you guys have to promise to love me okay okay mom i can't imagine unless your baby is really bad then maybe
00:54:26
Speaker
I'm starting to be done with you to Bradley right I was like once you started to try it i I love it so dearly. yeah And i just think maybe my attention is very shorter. at home I'm just ready to lay it to rest.
00:54:46
Speaker
I think that's normal and acceptable. don't see this as a problem. As long as I don't have to lay it to rest. No, no, that's okay. I don't know if it's worth apologizing or being, i guess, just wondering about it but like, oh, then I have a problem. Yeah, you're well aware that we've got an issue. It's okay.
00:55:09
Speaker
we We are fixated on this, but not everyone has to. It's okay. Yeah, this is the thing. We're not about that, necessarily. And here's the thing. Which we've definitely said the exact opposite statement. last episode we talked about evangelicals. But in reality, it's like... yeah If you had on here and said, Peter Ravory is not that good, then we'd have a problem. Yes.
00:55:29
Speaker
But you're allowed to... No, right. like, i I have a couple really specific issues with it. noly This is like- We're not cops.
00:55:42
Speaker
This is just, the way that straight women engage with media sometimes just frightens me. Yes. yeah Like, I feel like I've had a couple experiences of like straight women out in the world being like, I love my gay show, my gay boy fans, my gay boys and my gay show, and I'm like, keep looking.
00:56:00
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Absolutely. And I'm like i know you're saying a ****.
00:56:05
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I see it in your eyes. You want to say it right now. And that's incredibly true. There are some people that I'm really not a fan of the way that they're watching the show.
00:56:18
Speaker
And we've talked before, I honestly don't if you've talked about it in the pod. I'm... not a fan at all of like the calling it the gay hockey show, the gay porn show like this and that, I am really not into that.
00:56:29
Speaker
Yeah. Cause that's not what we're doing here. My red flag when I know people are watching it wrong and forgive me him i don't know any of these people's names. But you know though like it's almost like the B plot but it's also really like of the- Yeah. Scott and Kit. Oh yeah. Scott. When people are like yeah I don't like the Scott and Kit parts.
00:56:45
Speaker
Yeah. You're watching it wrong. you're wrong with it. you're taking the wrong turn. completely agree. yeah. because yeah when people are like oh my god that episode's so boring where was your heart when we were walking down?
00:56:55
Speaker
yeah. like what's wrong with you? if you're not watching it for like the plot and the romance and the actual love that is there and if you Which is another thing, like, people who are like, well, they don't fall in love until episode 4 or 5, like, there's no romance there. Are you, like, are you dumb? That's not- More people need to go to Catholic school. Because the second they started having sex, I knew they were in love. Because otherwise it wouldn't have been possible.
00:57:23
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Yeah. but No, yeah. i mean i could Look at the way they look at each other. Like, it's a love story the entire time. i could Yeah. Almost, almost no, no. It's not. Yeah. except it A lot of people are watching that show wrong. You're incredibly. I said, I, I'm not ready to put it down, but I'm ready to walk away from the fear that stirs in my heart when I hear other people bring it up.
00:57:43
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Once it blew up so much, I already was like on edge half the time hearing it. Um, not necessarily like personal problems, but like, or whatever I was projecting onto the situation. But everyone... A show like this has never gotten this big. And that's obviously a really positive thing, but it's also a really strange thing to experience. Because this is a show that, like, it's something that I would have loved the entire time, but it's also something I would have had to be begging my friends to watch with me. They all would have been saying no.
00:58:11
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Yeah. What was the thing? There was, like, a tweet that was, like... I wish I could have been like watching the show when I was like 14 and closeted and then somebody responded. was like, well, that's what somebody is doing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah go to I think that it like graphs directly onto like us talking about like fandom earlier too, because I think it in, in and of itself is so directly tied to fandom and like tropes and fandom yeah with like literal fandoms. And also I think the just like the experience of being in fandom if that makes sense just to say like similarly I felt like I came across it very much in the same spaces in which I like engaged in fandom which is Tumblr yeah and so it already kind of had that like that aspect about it so then once it kind of like feel like people have used this phrase a lot with the show but like breached containment in a certain way I was like Well, hold up. I was like, what are we? Yeah. Once it reached the general public, it got scary. Yeah. I was like, I don't really know what to do with this. Again, like positive response, but also now there's just so many other things to contend with how other people interpret it. Maybe this is giving like the true Tumblr girls too much credit. I don't think so. But like the second it kind of breached containment, that's when people really turned into freaks toward those poor actors too. Like that's when people lost their boundaries because they had never been in fandom spaces before. Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't what they were doing. There's a lot about that. I mean, I haven't been able to like truly read a lot. I'd really like read and take a look at it. Yeah. And again, that's why this book was so well-timed because she wrote about like how something happened similarly with Larry Stylinson. In a sense, there was some like report on the BBC where they went and talked to like kind of making bit of a spectacle, though apparently like the creator was like, it wasn't entirely my intention, but kind of can't help a little bit. a little bit you know or yeah they went and talked to like one direction fans who were like also larry stylen's or something like that and it this brief like little like tv show or like spotlight on this like kind of interesting crazy cultural thing and apparently again like that was one of those these like instances in the fandom where people were like those people don't represent us or like even people who were like those people make us look crazy or people who were fans later were like first all like this is decontextualized like this was not how this is not how supposed to be consumed think that like
01:00:29
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bring it back to heat of rivalry. i don't know. Like, it's not, yeah, it's just weird. It's like, because again, it's not like you want to be like, this should be secret. I do think the shark being so popular has made like a positive impact also on a lot of things, but not that the show has made a negative impact. People are doing negative things with it. But that also, as I think you mentioned, there's also like celebrities.
01:00:51
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Yes. Yeah. And parasociality and everything like that is very, very different. yes how people act yeah just not not not awesome and respectful all the time yeah weird Hey what if we were all awesome, normal, and respectful all the time? That'd be crazy. I was really like battling, i was really trying to not be parasocial because again it kind of comes back to what i said where i was like in a way if I have these characters I don't need to be overly involved with these young men necessarily. Like it's just not actually necessary. And sometimes you do have to catch yourself. That's so fair. Sometimes parasociality like comes for you a little bit. and Like as long as you can catch yourself and reel it on in. Yeah.
01:01:32
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nice so yeah i want to go way better than i thought yeah no because i don't i don't think was like look i over identify with these things but absolutely like it's not like truly it's not gonna like yeah crush my heart no the idea that that thing is actually quite healthy yeah yes exactly yeah you're allowed to have differing yeah opinions you didn't even really give like an opinion yeah just like you're tired of seeing it and that's so fair yeah yeah it's time for you to fly It's copyrighted for sure.
01:02:01
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It's copyrighted sure. We can just put it in my dad I sing it. It's time for you to fly. Shout out. Shout out. Shout out. Shout Shout out. Shout out.
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