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Thu 13th Mar | CROSSOVER | Fulham vs Spurs Preview
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Joe from the Daily Spurs podcast joins Gavin for a chat about the North London side before Gavin takes on the role of quizmaster as the countdown to Sunday’s clash begins.
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Introduction to the Daily Fulham Podcast
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Crossover Episode with Joe from Daily Spurs
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Speaker
Hello and welcome back to the Daily Fulham podcast brought to you by the Global Sports Podcast Network, bringing you the latest news and views from across the Premier League and women's football too.
00:00:20
Speaker
My name is Gavin Ruffell and today is our crossover edition of the podcast and with Fulham playing host to Spurs this weekend. It's my delight, it's my pleasure to introduce my guest at this time. It's Joe from the Daily
Tottenham's Europa League and Managerial Pressure
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Spurs podcast. How are you doing today, Joe?
00:00:32
Speaker
I'm good. Thank you, mate. I'm good. i also like to apologise because I've put Gav under loads of pressure by basically by by changing the times and then saying that, like, oh, I've got a meeting and stuff. So Gav is holding it all together with consummate professionalism while I'm kind of buzzing around. So thank you, matt dude I do appreciate it No worries at all. And obviously it helps that we've had one or two tech issues as well just before coming on to this podcast.
00:00:54
Speaker
It always happens when you're in a bit of rush, doesn't it? But hey, we'll cool a crack on and we'll start the chat with Spurs. So obviously Spurs, they've got massive game tonight, having a second leg of the Europa League tie. Home to Hazard Alkmaar. 1-0 deficit after the first leg.
00:01:07
Speaker
i mean, you said it was a big game. Just how important is it in the context of the season then? it's It's everything for Tottenham right now. So basically, I mean, everybody knows this gets well publicised and a lot of people have taken the mickey.
00:01:19
Speaker
But Ange Postacoglu kind of staked everything this season. It's quite clever. Early on, about six months ago, he when things were going badly, he went, look, I always win a trophy in my second season. Mm-hmm. were like, well, that's quite clever because you've bought yourself another few months because f FA Cup third round hadn't even happened then, stuff like that.
00:01:35
Speaker
Obviously, Spurs got to the League Cup semi-final, absolutely humbled by Liverpool. They're knocked out ah of the FA Cup in the fourth round by Villa a few days later.
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um Fifth round, fourth round, fifth round, one of them. um So basically exiting both domestic cup competitions in four days in quick succession. So everything was down to the Europa League.
Scrutiny on Tottenham's Ownership and Policies
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ah Spurs went through in the automatic qualification, um part of that top eight in the Europa League. Obviously, AZ Alkmaar, favourable draw, um felt like a favourable side of the draw for Spurs as well.
00:02:08
Speaker
But as you say, lost 1-0 in that first leg and now needing to go away to Holland and win. Feels like Spurs, comfortably the better side, could easily put in the performance.
00:02:19
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But who knows? Tottenham are very flat at the moment and And he's out of excuses. He's been talking about injuries for three months. Injury crisis is over. Like it's it's an embarrassment of riches. Some seriously good players available to start and on the bench. So go out tonight.
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And as far as I'm concerned, that's that's it for grumpy old Ange. Do you genuinely think that you you think if they do exit tonight, then they'll pull the plug on him or they they'll give him to the end of the season? do you see it going?
00:02:47
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I don't think he will go, but I do think he should go. um it's so harsh because we're talking about someone losing their jobs that, that being said, as a football manager, it's the best job in the world. Cause you do badly get fired and they pay you out.
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Um, but yeah, I don't, I don't think he's the right man for the job. We've been very flat. Um, Even when he's kind of tried to adapt his tactics to be a bit more pragmatic, it looks a bit naive.
00:03:12
Speaker
um My thing with Poster Coglu is he's only ever played one way and that's fine because it's just a fact about kind of the SPL, for example. There are... two good teams consistently. And then you've got Aberdeen and stuff and Hart, so you're in and about. But so some of the teams in that division are League One standard and you can just fly at people every week.
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You can't do that in the Premier League because there's probably 17 good teams. So it's just a completely different approach to management. um Who knows? Get knocked out tonight and then if Spurs go on an amazing run and look great towards the end of the season,
Comparison with Other Clubs and Transfer Strategies
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that's something else. But I think, yeah, if if he's if he if we get knocked out tonight, barring something spectacular, I don't think he'll be Tottenham's manager come August.
00:03:58
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I just want to pick on so pick up on something you said earlier about his comments earlier in the season. I know he was asked this in the press conference as well about what he said about, I always win things in my second season. And he kind of flapped back at that, didn't it Do you think deep down he kind of regrets those comments?
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I think there's always an element. Every football manager has an ego, right? And i think I think he probably believes it. um I think he probably believes that. And I also do think there was an element of buying himself time.
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um And look, he's kind of... He knows it it's kind of... It's sort of flush or bust for him right now because either... Yeah, he wins the Europa League and he looks like a genius and he was right because he called it.
00:04:39
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um But if it goes wrong, he gets paid out. And yeah, he'll probably have to take a step down in terms of profile of club where he goes next. But maybe he'll be at a club that don't have that expectation to to kind of end a long wait for silverware. So yeah, I think he just he bought himself some time at a difficult point in the season.
00:04:59
Speaker
Yeah, and it's not just the manager who's under pressure. There's a lot of scrutiny
Tottenham's Season Highlights and Challenges
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about the ownership. we've seen in protests recently um against Daniel Levy. it was before the Man United game, wasn't it? What's your kind of take on that? Where you sit on that ah fence?
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Speaker
Do you know what? like I think you can't you can't doubt the investment that's been made in the club ah recently. So... I mean, I can't remember what the exact stats are, but I think Bournemouth are kind of the the team that that Spurs fans compare us to, um particularly given that kind of we we cover Irreola to quite a great extent.
00:05:33
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And I think it's something like our net spend is about 200 million in the same time that theirs is about 5 million. Don't quote me on that, but i know far out it far outstrips. theirs and Bournemouth are a better team and both managers came in at approximately the same time ah last season and yeah I just think there has been investment recently from the ownership to be fair i think what there has been is an incoherent transfer policy um and an incoherent managerial policy so I think Spurs have just kind of obviously we did the thing with Pochettino the project manager
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Did a great job. Didn't get any money for five transfer windows in a row. Unsurprisingly, things went a little bit wrong. um That squad that Pochettino had at the end, I know it got to the Champions League final, but that really covered up a whole load of problems that that team had.
00:06:23
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Then there was finally a bit of investment, but then Mourinho, Conte, Nuno was kind of seventh pick, I believe, at that point. And it's just, it has been so horribly...
00:06:34
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incoherent. I think kind of Spurs look at teams like Brighton or Brentford and just think we want a manager in there, an ownership in there for the long term that has a 20-year plan that they won't deviate from if things go wrong.
00:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, and it has been a difficult season for Spurs. The Europa League is the last ray of i hope. You're not where you want to be in the league. So you would say the negatives outweigh the positives, but what for you have been the positives, if there have indeed been any?
Fulham and Spurs Player Quiz
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um There's some really exciting players, some really exciting players in the Spurs team. um Dayan Kulisevski's had a great season. um Pedro Poro, by and large, had a great season.
00:07:11
Speaker
Both of those two players, their form has gone off a cliff in the last couple of weeks. That is because I'm not surprised they're tired because they've been carrying Spurs on their backs. between the two of them, for the best part of six months. um They've played a ton of football.
00:07:24
Speaker
They've both stayed fit when other other players haven't. um They now look knackered, but they've played really well. They're, if we can get them both to stay, great semi-senior players that we can kind of build a future on. There's some really exciting young players.
00:07:39
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Lucas Bergvau has kind of really grown into that kind of box-to-box midfield role. Can do a bit of everything. Creative, can move with the ball, ah can pick a pass, not afraid to... kind of chuck a boot in or indeed an elbow sometimes, like as and when he wants.
00:07:53
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ah Doesn't look like the type because he kind of looks like butter wouldn't melt, little kind of blonde lad from a sort of Milky Bar advert in the late 90s, but that is not his personality at all. um And I think Archie Gray has been absolutely outstanding. So he's played at right back. He's played predominantly at centre back.
00:08:11
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He wants to play central midfield, but such a good player can play almost anywhere. And if we can keep hold of him, keep hold of Bergvau, then I think, there's the foundations for a very, very good team in there.
00:08:23
Speaker
Yeah. And one player you didn't actually mention, I feel like it's been a bit of a breakthrough season. He's been at Spurs for while, but it just hasn't happened for him. I don't think he was actually signed by the manager at the time. And that's Jed Spence. Of course, yeah. Due to injury to Udagi, he's found his place in the team. He's naturally a right back, but he's played a lot over the left, um on the left side, hasn't he? So,
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What do you think the difference has been for him this season? Why we're suddenly seeing him flourish? Do you know what? So Jed Spence is an interesting player. So came in under Conte, having been in the championship team of the season. ah He was at Borough, but he was on loan at Forest, the Forest team that got promoted.
00:08:55
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So Spurs bought him. He turned up and Antonio Conte said, to paraphrase, on a pre-season tour, um basically, I don't want him.
00:09:06
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I've seen him in training and I don't think he's good enough. Yeah. Now, Conte was obviously wrong, and that seems like a pretty irresponsible thing to say to, I think he was 19 or 20 at the time. um Yeah, pretty dismissive, unpleasant thing to say, but but that is Antonio Conte, as we've kind of all come to learn.
00:09:24
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ah Look, I think there was an issue initially with his work ethic. He went on loan to Leeds, had a knee injury there, so not much happened for him. But then he went to Genoa in Italy.
00:09:35
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And actually, he did really, really well there and kind of found himself playing at the San Siro and stuff. And there's been some really good interviews with him. He was kind of like, oh, yeah, this is what I want.
00:09:45
Speaker
Like, but at the end of the day, I'm on loan, but i want to play in stadiums like this. I want to play against the best players in the world. I want to play against legendary clubs. And he realised he kind of, he was one of those footballers. And I think it's natural.
00:09:56
Speaker
Got his big move. Thought that was it. um But he doesn't realise, no, that's just the beginning. You've actually got to work so hard. And I think he's really turned himself around in terms of, ah attitude. I think he's apparently quite a quiet sort of introverted lad as well.
00:10:10
Speaker
So it's taken him a little while, I think, to settle in. But yeah, as you said, he's played left back, been absolutely outstanding. um Coming at right back recently, he probably will be starting at right back for the next few weeks because Porro's fitness, like Porro's just knackered.
00:10:27
Speaker
He's played pretty much every second for Spurs and he just is wrecked at this point. You can see it in his football. He looks like he's making mistakes, which kind of isn't like him. Yeah, he's been absolutely outstanding. And obviously...
00:10:40
Speaker
this is this you're not going to care about this in the slightest, but it kind of makes me think, well, I've seen him play left-back. is that the Finally, is that the ah England's left-back issue solved? But that's always in the back of my mind somewhere.
00:10:53
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yes Yeah, definitely definitely something to look at in the the future, especially now with ah Lewis Hall injured them as far as England
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If you're ready to tell your story, check out the link in the show description to learn more about Zencastr. So Joe, let's lift your spirits a bit then. Let's get away from the negativity of all things Spurs. And I've actually devised a bit of a quiz for you. It's related to Fulham and to Spurs.
00:11:40
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And it's in the Premier League year The last time I did this, it didn't work so well because the people I was quizzing were born in about 2003. So they didn't have a clue half the players were on about. But I think you're a similar age demographic to me. So I think this should work, hopefully, a little bit better. So I've got just a few questions to say on all things Fulham and Spurs. First of all, we'll start straight away.
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I'll give you a minute to answer this one. So there have been 24 players to play for Spurs and Fulham in the Premier League. They played at least one game for both those sides. So in a minute, can you name as many as possible?
00:12:12
Speaker
So Dimitrov Berbatov, Steed Malbrank, Paul Koncheski, Yep. Oh, who else? Who else? Moussa Dembele.
00:12:25
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my God. Who else? Who else? Who else? Who else? Oh, Clint Dempsey. Yep. um Oh, who else has been at both clubs?
00:12:36
Speaker
Let me think. i've got um um My brain is rattling through faces of early noughties footballers now. um Oh, my God. Who else? Right. So forwards. Let me think.
00:12:48
Speaker
Is that it? Is that me out? Scott Parker? No. Yeah, Scott Parker. Yeah, Scott Parker. Yeah, obviously managed both. No, managed Fulham. Played the Spurs. But yeah, right. Hmm.
00:13:00
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Hmm. I think that might be it. 10 seconds if you can get any more. Oh, who else?
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I don't know. love That's me out. I'll put you out of your misery. summer Some are obvious, some are less so. So I'll give you the ones you didn't get. Michael Brown, so that's going back early to play. Simon Davis, Sean Davis, Ida Good Johnson to briefly played for both clubs.
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Louis Holtby, Casey Keller, Stephen Kelly, Danny Murphy, Josh Onomer, Wayne Routledge, Louis Sahar, Ryan Sasson, you're on bit more recent, ah Manos Solomon, Paul Staltieri, Adele Tarak, Carlos Vinicius and Bobby Zamora.
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Speaker
i should ah Do you know what? I should have done better all of those. The only one that still, even though you've just said it, my brain has no memory of is Idega Johnson. I've got no memory of him at Fulham whatsoever. i don't He might have scored once, I think. you might I'm not sure if he scored for Spurs. I think he scored in a cup to cut play against Fulham, actually, that might have been his only goal.
00:14:02
Speaker
um I should have done better there. should have done better there. and Next question. So Spurs' first meeting with Fulham in the Premier League was in December 2001. Who was the Spurs manager at the time?
00:14:16
Speaker
Right. So this is ah this is a very dark period for Spurs. So... I think we've just come off the back of George Graham.
00:14:27
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And I think this is probably Christian Gross. No, it's actually Glenn Hoddle. Glenn Hoddle in charge at that time. So this is also related to that game. So Spurs won that game 4-0.
00:14:40
Speaker
Can you tell me any of the goal scorers? 2001. is Teddy Sheringham back at Spurs? That's the question. show Potentially Teddy Sheringham.
00:14:54
Speaker
No, no. Let me think. So, ah oh, this is a hard period. Darren Anderton? Yeah, that's one. Yeah, sick note. Sick note.
00:15:06
Speaker
Who else would been? 2001. This is, like I say, this is a bad period for Spurs. really trying to remember football manager team from this period. Two forwards and one Winger?
00:15:19
Speaker
winger Might be... Rule Fox? oh No rules already gone by that point. I give up, mate. That's it. So the winger who played for both clubs was Simon Davis. Oh, Digger.
00:15:33
Speaker
Yeah, and the two forwards, Les Verdinand, which was actually a landmark goal because that was the 10,000th goal in the Premier League, Premiership, as it was back then. And the other one was the Ukrainian striker, Sergei Rebrov.
00:15:45
Speaker
Sergei Rebrov, mate. So basically, we bought Sergei Rebrov because he played up front with Andrei Shevchenko from Dynamo Kiev. And Shevchenko had gone to Milan was unbelievable. So we bought strike partner. Like, well, this guy's obviously just as good.
00:15:58
Speaker
No, turns out that Shevchenko was the one who was really carrying the load in that Dynamo key of team. He was okay for a month or two anyway. So next question. These sides have met 35 times in the Premier League. How many of those games have Spurs won?
00:16:11
Speaker
I would say... 24. Ooh, you've gone high there. No, the answer is 19. So Spurs, 19 wins, Fulham, eight, and there have been eight draws.
00:16:22
Speaker
Across those games, which player has scored the most individual goals?
00:16:27
Speaker
So it's from 2001 onwards. So it's going to be someone like Gareth Bale, maybe Jermaine Defoe. Jermaine Defoe.
00:16:40
Speaker
Harry Kane with eight goals. Oh, ah Next question. As we know, Moussa Dembele played for both clubs. ah He was adored by both sets of fans, wasn't he? But who did he score more league goals for?
00:16:53
Speaker
I reckon Fulham. He barely scored for Spurs. Yeah, i think when he so I think when he signed for Fulham, he played a more advanced role. Well, initially when Mark Hughes brought him, but then he dropped back. and but he He actually scored more goals for Spurs. He's played a lot more games for Spurs.
00:17:04
Speaker
Five goals for Fulham and seven goals for Spurs? make i say where you sit like what What a footballer. Unbelievable. I think everyone says everyone who played with him says he was like the best player they've ever played with, isn't he? He was a real player.
00:17:18
Speaker
He just used to glide past players. with he This is it. and he was He was in a really decent Spurs side, like that that under Pochettino. Everybody, like Harry Kane, Son, like with all there's all those kind of videos that went viral and whatever on Insta, just like, yeah, Dembele's best player on the team.
00:17:32
Speaker
ah As we know, Ida Good Johnson played briefly for both clubs. His most decorated spell in London was with Chelsea. How many league titles did he win when he was at Stamford Bridge?
00:17:43
Speaker
Oh, Fulham legend, Ida Good Johnson. um
00:17:49
Speaker
He was there just as Abramovich bought the club, but then obviously played early days under Mourinho. I reckon three? Two. Two. So think that was back-to-back season. 2004, 2005, That 2006. ridiculous Chelsea team that couldn't be beaten.
00:18:05
Speaker
So which former manager has taken charge of both Spurs and Fulham in the Premier League? Oh, easy, mate. Martin, yo. There we go. We're going right. What as a hero. yeah there's ah There's a well-known chant about a former Fulham and Spurs man.
00:18:19
Speaker
All i need you to is finish the lyrics for me. When you're sat Rose Ed. Oh, yeah. When you're sat in Rosette, it's Samora. Exactly. when when the When you're sat in Rosette and the ball hits your head, that's Samora.
00:18:39
Speaker
And the final question, we'll finish with an easy one. Oh, I think it's an easy one. Who scored the goals in the meeting between the two sides earlier in the season? Oh, blimey, I can't even remember this game.
00:18:50
Speaker
I can't remember the game or the score. That's bad, isn't it? Sorry, I was doing my research list on the train home last night. um Let me think. what What was the score? can you remind me of the score? I can't tell you that.
00:19:02
Speaker
You can't tell me that. Okay, I'm going to say... um Let me think. ah Alex Iwobi and...
00:19:15
Speaker
Dane Kulusevsky. No, no, that's ah that's incredibly bad. It was Brennan Johnson and Tom Kearney. If you remember, Tom Kearney was actually sent off as well, late on in the game. cop You don't remember it. I cannot remember this game at all. That's the one thing I think. It probably comes up to the season, doesn't it? Not very memorable.
00:19:34
Speaker
Mate, like in in all honesty, yes. There is so there's so much. Basically, I got a telly like put in my kitchen. i was like, well, spend a bit money on that because I'm to watch football. Right. And literally the amount of Spurs games that have passed my glazed eyes in the last six months without anything happening of note.
00:19:51
Speaker
Well, that was a mediocre effort in in that quiz, if I do say so myself. So in the last part, we will briefly, briefly look ahead to this game um as Fulham go head-to-head with Spurs looking to continue their march towards Europe and Spurs look to arrest their slide in the league.
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00:20:48
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So Joe, we know Spurs have a big game tonight in the Europa League. Are you expecting several changes for the Fulham game regardless of how it goes in the Europa League? Yeah, potentially. I mean, we're at the stage now where we can rotate because the injury crisis is over.
00:21:01
Speaker
So a lot of players back. um I mean, even long-term absentees like Christian Romero. So yeah, we might see a bit of rotation, but the end of the day, Fulham are a decent side away. London derby, like you have you have to play a decent side.
00:21:15
Speaker
Are you slightly concerned about the approach in the league for the remainder of the season? Or do you feel if Andy is still in the job, then there is extra motivation to end the season strong and I know they are a bit off bit far off top half, but is that still a goal?
00:21:29
Speaker
Well, this is it. I mean, look, like... Eighth is an out reach, which is going to be Conference League this season. So that's that's definitely not out of reach if we put together a consistent run of form, which we should do Bear in mind, it's only going to be league games and ah Europa League game should we get through every couple of weeks um or every three, four weeks as you get deeper into the competition. So I don't think we can kind of throw the league at this point. I think we need to be going as hard as we can in both competitions.
00:21:56
Speaker
and And where do you see the strengths, the problem areas from the Fulham team that can maybe hurt Spurs? Obviously, Iwobi's had an outstanding season. um I think the biggest problem that Spurs have is when we play teams that sit back against us and we find it hard to break down and we get hit on the counter. I don't actually expect...
00:22:17
Speaker
Fulham to do that I think you like you might bring the game to us a little bit to be honest with you I think the thing as well that kind of gives me heart Tottenham's away form is very good and Fulham's home form is pretty bad so this is the problem and I think the issue that Fulham have had this season is dropping points against teams in the bottom half of at home um and obviously Spurs are one of them so I do actually if this was at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium I think I would have less hope um But it's a very hard one to call, kind of given, yeah, the patchy form of both teams.
00:22:47
Speaker
No, you're absolutely spot on in what you say there. Fulham's form at home has certainly been indifferent away from home. They've been a lot more comfortable, even despite that defeat later on against Brighton. And just finally then, how do you see it going? What's your score prediction for a game?
00:23:03
Speaker
I hate to go against Spurs. ah
00:23:07
Speaker
Too all. Too all. Ooh, entertaining game, man. Yeah, have it yourself. um I think because Spurs, the focus is going to be on Europe. I think it's probably a good time to play them.
00:23:20
Speaker
So I'm going to go for Fulham to nick it. But I think it's going to be an entertaining, free-flowing game. We know how Ange sets up. And Fulham, if they want to strive for Europe, then it's a game they must win. And some of their performances recently have been a bit below par, maybe. Especially Hulbert.
00:23:33
Speaker
Hopefully, atmosphere is good and they' they're ready to go, raring to go for this one. um But yeah, let's hope for an entertaining game. that That'll just about do it for today's crossover episode with Joe from the Daily Spurs podcast.
00:23:45
Speaker
Be sure to listen out to their podcast. Continue to listen to the Daily Fulham podcast and we'll catch you all next time.
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