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Episode 68: Just Two Dudes Sitting In Office Chairs In A Ring
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Come hangout with Garrett and Derrick as they chat Cody Rhodes amazing promo, AJ Styles and Seth Rollins sitting in office chairs, Jon Moxley, pro wrestling Easter eggs, NWA's Crocket Cup, Viceland's Dark Side of the Ring and more!
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Introduction and Pop Culture Jokes
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, a man who will absolutely not spoil Avengers Endgame for you, you fucking baby, Derek Halpin. And I won't spoil Game of Thrones for you either, because I haven't seen either of those things, Garrett.
00:00:21
Speaker
That's why. That's fine. You know, and you're just a good person who wouldn't ruin things. I'm not a big spoiler person, but I will say I did ruin a hockey game for you last week. You did. I couldn't be mad, though, because it was good spoilers. You know, if you had said, ah, man, they lost. Actually, both both ones would have been OK, I think. Not mad at you. Derek, I saw Avengers.
00:00:48
Speaker
I'm not going to talk about it because I don't want to be responsible for you spoiling anything. I don't want to be attached to this. No spoilers at all. I just all I'm saying is I would have booked Thanos differently. You would have booked. What?
00:01:05
Speaker
This is way over my head. First of all, I, full disclosure, I am so far behind on the MCU movies that like, I don't, that's why like me spoiling in-game is not a, not a thing anyone should be concerned about because I have to get caught up on the second guardians of the galaxy, a couple of Thor movies, Black Panther. You don't have to. I took seven years off for some shit from watching these movies and
00:01:34
Speaker
I went to see this one. I haven't even seen part one. Well, that one you should probably see, but I think that's it. Yeah, probably. Guess what? Everything else, you'll fucking figure it out. It's a comic book movie. But you have recommended Guardians of the Galaxy, volume two, and I've heard lots of great things about Thor Ragnarok. Thor Fragglerock? Fragglerock. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it's called. Yeah, you said the title wrong. Yeah. Derek,
Turning 32 and Wrestling Habits
00:02:01
Speaker
hit our goddamn music.
00:02:39
Speaker
I love that after we have an intro that's a little bit awkward, I can always hear you giggle a little bit as we go into our music. Yeah, that's a part of the show. That's how it opens. It opens with a giggle. Hey, it's your birthday on Friday. It is.
00:02:55
Speaker
This episode doesn't fall in time to land on my birthday or come after,
Cody Rhodes and AEW Excitement
00:03:00
Speaker
so it's in that awkward just before my birthday stage. So are you saying that the people don't have to wish you a happy birthday this week? Nobody has to wish me a happy birthday this week. I'm turning 32. I'm getting old. I'm going to bed earlier. I don't even have time to make it through Raw and SmackDown anymore. Not that necessarily anything's going on that's worth staying up for. Anyway, I got about 30 minutes into Raw this week.
00:03:23
Speaker
And I said, that's enough. That's about how a bullshit Raw starts. A bunch of participants in a match at a pay-per-view starting the show and then going, hey, let's have a tag match. And that was enough for me. I did watch almost all of SmackDown. Did you happen to watch the Cody Rhodes promo? See, I've been meaning to yell at you about this since last week.
00:03:49
Speaker
Do you want to know why, Garrett? Yeah, why? I told you about the Cody Rhodes promo. That just launched this week. Garrett, we talked the other day.
00:04:02
Speaker
And I said to you, okay, we talked on the phone. This had nothing to do with the podcast. Garrett and I had a phone conversation where I told him Cody Rhodes said this awesome thing where he said he's here to kill the attitude era. And you laughed and said, that's awesome. And then like an hour later, you're like, dude, you gotta watch this Cody Rhodes promo.
00:04:20
Speaker
See, I thought you read an interview or something, I didn't know you saw the video too, so I didn't know I was an asshole. Yeah, yeah. But seriously though, we haven't talked to them about it. No, let's talk about the promo because...
00:04:36
Speaker
It's an emotional one and it's a damn solid promo and it's got people talking and you were hyped up about it obviously because you completely bypassed the fact that I had told you about it and you were excited to tell me about it. So are you excited for Dustin Rhodes versus Cody Rhodes at Double or Nothing? Yes I am excited for that but the promo got me excited for even more than just that match.
00:05:03
Speaker
it kinda got me excited in a way that they've talked about how they wanna have more of a real fight feel to AEW, which leads me to believe maybe do promos more like a New Japan show where it's all behind the scenes. And if that is the style promo, that got me so fucking hyped for their show and also for that match, but also for that, you know, Cody's never been the best wrestler.
00:05:32
Speaker
but it looks like he has gone out and taken some fucking acting lessons and went out to be the best fucking actor. You say things like this, but I don't, why, what are you knocking Cody's wrestling for? Well, I mean, like when you watch him go up against somebody like Omega or Okada, you know, just, he's not on the same level as those guys, like, you know, high speed, like dangerous shit wise. I'm not saying Cody's a bad wrestler at all. I'm just saying. Garrett, he squeezed a good match out of Nick Aldis.
00:06:03
Speaker
What the fuck are we talking about? No, I like Cody. You know what I mean, though? Like he wasn't when he was in WWE, I feel like it wasn't his wrestling that was the thing that always grabbed you. It was his ability to be a character.
00:06:18
Speaker
I will definitely agree that Cody's biggest strength is his character and his promos and the wrestling takes a backseat to that, but I also don't think his wrestling is that far behind a lot of his peers, so we don't need to talk about what he can't do in the ring because he's pretty damn good.
00:06:37
Speaker
I'm not arguing that he can't do anything, I'm just saying like if I had to make- You're saying he sucks at being a professional wrestler is what you're saying. I don't want Cody Rhodes mad at me. You're saying that he's basically like Bobby Rude. Bobby Rude's just an entrance and you're saying all Cody is is a promo.
00:06:55
Speaker
Are you upset? Got you a little irritated
Promos: AEW vs WWE
00:07:00
Speaker
now? All right, let's do this show. What's funny is the night after, or the day I watched that, I guess that came out on a Sunday, Leo was coming home from watching Game of Thrones at somebody's house, and I just wanted an outside perspective, because as I watched that promo, I thought this might be one of the best promos I've ever seen.
00:07:22
Speaker
Like it gave me goosebumps. He fucking cried in it. He's the Leonardo DiCaprio pro wrestling now, Derek. And I had Leah come in, I was like, it's only four minutes, I swear. Watch this. And when it was over, she was like, that's really fucking good. And I sent that to a few friends just to see like, do I think this is really good? Or does somebody who watch wrestling, not watch wrestling, can they look at this and think, oh shit, that's not what I thought of when I thought of pro wrestlers talking.
00:07:53
Speaker
Yeah. I mean it was epic. I mean and he touched on a lot of hot button issues that you know the smarts love to discuss. He brings up CM Punk's pipe bomb promo. He brings up the the bodybuilder thing from WWE. He brings up the rock.
00:08:11
Speaker
I don't know, it's a generational war that's going on right now. And it's not even fair to call it a war. It's just, there's a, there's a weird attempt at the current era or current generation of wrestlers to establish themselves, despite all the comparisons that they get to wrestling at its peak from maybe 20 years ago.
00:08:33
Speaker
And they like he says in the promo, you know, they're constantly being, you know, compared to the attitude era. And he's not there to hurt his brother. He's there to put that era to an end. And I think it's brother versus brother. And I think in a lot of circumstances, maybe that's enough. But I think them adding this other element to it. I mean, I think that was genius. And I think the promo was amazing. It is one of the better promos I've ever seen.
00:09:01
Speaker
And I just thought it was cool that it was a promo for a match that we had had no build for. This was the build.
00:09:09
Speaker
You know, this is the start of that. And this got me so fucking excited for All In and, you know, All Elite or I'm sorry, Double or Nothing and All Elite Wrestling. But then I flipped over the next night and I was watching Raw and they had Seth Rollins and AJ Styles, you know, cutting promos leading to their Money in the Bank match.
00:09:33
Speaker
I had this four-minute awesome promo from Cody, and then I had a 20-minute segment of two dudes sitting in office chairs. In a ring. Yeah. Just having what felt like a very casual conversation. I mean, they're sitting there just swiveling in chairs. Like, as they're promo-ing, they're just like what I would do if I were in that. And I'll be honest, I don't think 20 minutes of office chairs got me super hyped for that match.
00:10:00
Speaker
I think the match between those two itself is enough to be excited. I don't think people necessarily need a feud. And I alluded to it a minute ago. I think one of the issues that they're going to have to overcome, especially as AEW gets rolling, is goddamn, they are so formulaic.
00:10:20
Speaker
to a huge fucking fault and the contract signing stuff is so contrived I get it it's pro wrestling it's all contrived but you've seen it too many times and there's nothing it's just
00:10:37
Speaker
even going back like I said to the way raw opened where it's like they tell you hey here's gonna be the participants in this match let's all get them out there and oh surprise surprise match tag team whatever and you've just seen it you've seen a show begin like that so many times and then they wonder why people aren't sticking around I guess this week had record low
Booking Strategies Debate
00:11:00
Speaker
ratings again now
00:11:03
Speaker
How many times since we started the podcast, have we talked about, you know, well, it's changing. A lot of people watch bits of the show online or through Hulu or whatever, or they DVR it. I don't know how that works with ratings, but there's, I mean, there's a lot of explanations for why ratings have been low over the last few years, or at least sinking. And I, but I still doesn't change the fact there is the audience is going away. Like wrestling is like, at least WWE's audience is leaving.
00:11:33
Speaker
If you were booking Raw, would you cut out the promos and have more matches in a three-hour show? I would occasionally like to start the show just with a match. I mean, there's little things that they don't do anymore. I mean, we're talking about AEW and this awesome Cody promo, so I do want to come back to that. But you're using that as a point of comparison to talk about Raw.
00:12:04
Speaker
do anything shocking anymore. And I've said this before, it's not must-see TV. Like, when was the last time you saw like, I don't know, what would you call it? Just like a violent brawl?
00:12:19
Speaker
Like why didn't they announce the members for the money in the bank thing? And I don't know, it sets up some kind of backstage. I mean, it's WWE, they're the kings of doing that shit. But they like to go, fuck, the show doesn't start with pyro anymore. So take that element out of the equation. I don't know.
00:12:42
Speaker
I guess what I'm thinking is when I saw the Cody promo, it made me feel like that style of promo is more the future of wrestling than just two guys sitting in office chairs for 20 minutes. I mean, if you did those promos like Cody did, but then kind of did it like New Japan
Jon Moxley and CM Punk Speculations
00:13:00
Speaker
and did the multi-man matches where it is a bunch of guys stuck together. It's usually heels and baby faces, but it's people who have stories going on.
00:13:10
Speaker
so that you can kind of see the story progress through the fighting, rather than having to just sit there and tell me a 20 minute story. Right. With words in office chairs. I watched. Less office chairs is what I'm saying. Yeah, well I mean I don't, I think there's a time and a place for that. For an office chair?
00:13:31
Speaker
I mean, I really do. I think maybe if that happens once a year on one of the shows, that's fine. It's gotta be a big match. Great!
00:13:41
Speaker
And maybe have some other people in the ring, just in the two participants and Michael Cole, whoever the fuck they need to host the damn thing, but like, it's just so overdone. Like, why do certain matches get the contract signed and others don't? I always, when I started watching New Japan, when we started doing this podcast together, one of the things that really fascinated me was the press conference stuff.
00:14:09
Speaker
I think one of the things that's so weird about pro wrestling right now is everyone's in on the fact that it's a work, that it's not real.
00:14:20
Speaker
And yet there's still part of you that's craving them putting forth the effort to make it simulate a real sport. And I bring this up because earlier today, or I guess it was yesterday, I was watching a guest appearance of Jim Ross on Busted Open Radio with Bully Ray. And he was talking about some of the things that they want to bring back to matches in AEW, including time limits.
00:14:52
Speaker
Like things you don't think about, like if it's an athletic competition. Another thing he brought up, when a match is going on, you don't cut to commercial break. Like there's things that we never talk about that WWE does all the time that totally like, they're such a fucking buzzkill. Oh, what was one of the big things when they announced AEW, which was that wins and losses are gonna matter again.
00:15:19
Speaker
Instead of just formulaic booking, I guess one of the best things WWE has done recently is they said that no more automatic rematch is if you lose a championship.
00:15:30
Speaker
because there was always that lingering feeling if you were watching a show that if a title changed hands, you're like, well, we know what the main event of the next pay-per-view is gonna be. And if it was somebody you didn't like watching, like somebody you were ready to get that belled off, like kind of when gender had it, and he finally got beat, and you're like, well, God damn it, now I'm gonna have to watch at least one more month of this. At least. Yeah. I think that was a smart decision on their part.
00:15:56
Speaker
If only for the fact that it does put heat on the authority
NWA Crockett Cup Review
00:16:00
Speaker
figures that you're like, once they get a title off of you, they can just be like, yep, you're gone, back of the line. I mean, it works. Though before we started recording, I actually was watching NXT UK. I watched the main event, which was Jordan Devlin versus Walter. And at the end of the match, Pete Dunne comes out and says, I want my rematch and Walter just shaped nods his head okay.
00:16:24
Speaker
All right See, but that's I think this is you know That is an instance where I would love to see a rematch if a dude held a belt for what 500 days or something guy deserves a rematch I Also, but no, I think that in those circumstances it's kind of like a It makes sense. Here's another thing that this happened on Smackdown this week. I will give them credit for this Here's something you rarely see
00:16:52
Speaker
The champion challenges the challenger. You know what I mean? Who stepped out and challenged somebody? Did Kofi challenge KO? Kofi challenged Kevin.
00:17:06
Speaker
You're used to seeing like a fucking guy weasel his way into a situation and then saying, I won a title match or I did this cause whatever. But to have the champion be like, no, fuck you. I want to face you and yeah, I'll put my title on the line. It's, it's a different, it's like, again, we're talking about just kind of like pro wrestling philosophy. It adds something. Going back to what I was saying about time limits, that impending feeling of like, we're getting closer and closer to this being just like bullshit.
00:17:34
Speaker
Well, that was fun in the Ring of Honor's match they had before Madison Square Garden. It ended in a time limit draw, and it was a great match that led up to them just having to stop. Yeah. And that was exciting. I enjoyed that. I guess I do like that in New Japan that when the match starts, they tell you the time limit. Right. And as the card moves up, the time limit moves up. Right.
00:17:59
Speaker
and also go back to like last year think of how much better those matches between styles and Nakamura would been it would have been if it wasn't like DQ bullshit but it had been because they were beating the shit out of each other and they lost track of time I mean I'm not saying it would have saved everything but it was like there's this
00:18:17
Speaker
Like what is, what is it about that? Can you guys, cause again, you introduced me to new Japan. What is it about this desire to make something that we know isn't real feel like an athletic event, like, or like a sporting event? Well, like when you add the time limit and throughout the match, you have the announcer saying five minutes in 10 minutes in. And when you know, in your head,
00:18:42
Speaker
you know, there's a time limit. The match has a sense of urgency to it. You know, it starts to pick up. It feels more important. It feels like they are working harder to end what you're watching. Plus, there's a reminder you might not get a decisive win. Like there's always the feeling that like the time limits there that you might not see somebody get beat or disqualified. Like this match will just be over.
00:19:09
Speaker
I also, during that interview with Jim Ross, he had said one of the things he's trying to push on them, and I don't want to get your reaction to this, is just more selling. Do you take offense to that, or how does that fit in with the formula that got everyone into AEW? How does that fit with their philosophy on wrestling?
00:19:34
Speaker
I don't know. I can see, you know, honestly, I don't see anything wrong with more selling. It's just, with that style of wrestling, it's gonna be harder to know, you know, if they're going 100 miles an hour and hitting high spots all over the place, when do you sell the most?
00:19:51
Speaker
right like if you're taking a devastating move at the beginning are you selling that devastating move for this hot fast pace match for the rest of the time and i yeah
Wrestling Documentaries Review
00:20:00
Speaker
the bucks got better with it though i mean nick jackson or was i guess matt jackson sold his back for like a year and a half right and it was a story point within the match
00:20:14
Speaker
I guess the reason I bring up that question is it's just interesting to me because I think one of the things we'll acknowledge is that today's wrestling moves a lot faster and is more athletic and that's part of the appeal and part of the draw.
00:20:29
Speaker
And if you're selling more, doesn't that naturally slow things down? It does. It's kind of weird because basically we're saying we want this to look more like a sporting event, but also more like Mortal Kombat. Right. We want to conflict in things.
00:20:51
Speaker
I also think, and this is unrelated, but I guess it's related to AEW, it's killing me how long it's taking this thing to get going. Okay, this is exactly what I wanted to talk about. So, you know, like a year in advance, Marvel will release a movie trailer, or Star Wars will release a trailer, and you have this long wait. And then you've got everybody in that build.
00:21:14
Speaker
Taking that trailer and picking every little detail apart and being like oh see that thing on the table that means they're referencing this Maybe this will happen. Yeah, and that's where we're at with AEW in such a hard way where they don't have any wrestling to give us so all they can do is give us videos and kind of hide Easter eggs and Make us speculate and the speculation I think is what's keeping us interested in going and
00:21:41
Speaker
What do you think about the John Moxley video that dropped last night? I was so hyped and I love that. What did he release it at 1205? West Coast correspondent John texts me and he's like, you got to watch this video. And after I watched it, he goes, wasn't it nice that he waited five whole minutes after his contract expired?
00:22:07
Speaker
It's a technicality. I got super hyped for it. I mean it was an exciting video and I mean Obviously, you know, he's he's breaking out of the ambros asylum. Well, let me know let me ask you a question
00:22:22
Speaker
You didn't necessarily give a shit about Dean Ambrose in WWE. Why would you be excited about him now would be my question. Is it because he's gonna go back to doing what he used to do, you think? Or is it just, are you excited about his star power? I think Jon Moxley was an exciting wrestler. Jon Moxley was a fucking death match wrestler. And I always found it really fascinating that a guy who had that type of background made it to WWE and made it so successful there.
00:22:53
Speaker
But then, you know, I got a little bored with him. He just didn't have anything to do. And Dean Ambrose was kind of becoming an old character. So when I see that he's switching back to Jon Moxley, the guy who had those crazy death matches, and in this video, you see him get tangled up in barbed wire as he's hopping a prison fence. And then you just see his hands bleeding as he wraps barbed wire around his knuckles. And to me, that was him saying, I'm back.
00:23:20
Speaker
Man, he was making that good money in WWE. Now he's going to be going back to doing things that used to be brutal and not pay you that well. Well, that's not to say, though, that he can't make WWE money doing that type of match now. I mean, if that's what he likes. For sure. No, that's the difference now. Because things have changed since he was an indie superstar last.
00:23:44
Speaker
So that video has several references that people are picking apart thinking that it means he's going to show up at Double or Nothing. I guess at the beginning he has all the tick marks on the wall where he had been counting down the days. If you look, I guess the ones that are lit up, it's 25, the 25th of
00:24:03
Speaker
May, and then also at the end, he's standing in place in front of a place called the Viper. And I think at first everybody thought it was the Viper room in Los Angeles, but people are saying there's a club in Vegas called the Viper. And then the dice on the mural that he's standing in front of are the numbers two and five. He lives in Vegas. It's in Vegas. Who knows? I'm just saying Jimmy Havoc doesn't have an opponent and I'd love to see an AEW death match on there on double or nothing.
00:24:35
Speaker
Um, so are you pretty well convinced that's where he's headed? I mean, he could easily just be hiding all that shit in, but then you see that like Cody Rhodes liked his video and I don't know. There's just other. Yeah. I guess I'll put it to you this way. If he left WWE and he's not retiring, doesn't it make sense for him to go there?
00:25:02
Speaker
At this point, anyone who's huge that leaves that company, that's gonna be our first thought. But what if he does the Cody Rhodes thing first and just goes and hits the Indies for a minute? Could. I mean, just picture, if he showed up at a CZW show, people would lose their fucking mind. Right. I mean, if he went back to like, you know, a home base for himself and did a match there, I mean, I think one of the first things, if you're wanting to see a death match,
00:25:30
Speaker
My first thought was, fuck, I need to see Dean Ambrose versus Nick Gage. Turns out that's happened, you know, fucking 20 times. So I went on YouTube and fell down a rabbit hole of watching Nick Gage and Jon Moxley matches. The thing is, I've never watched anything from Jon Moxley, which I'm sure there's people listening to this podcast who are like, what?
00:25:53
Speaker
Why do you have a pro wrestling podcast if you don't know these things, Derek? I don't know. I'm just here. I got to get caught
Preview and Engagement Plans
00:26:00
Speaker
up on some things, obviously. But I am excited. I am excited to see what Dean Ambrose, John Moxley ends up deciding to do.
00:26:11
Speaker
Well, I think it's exciting to throw him in the mix with a group of guys that we have liked that's from, you know, a different place. Like now we could potentially see. I mean, seeing him versus hangman would be fun. Seeing Dean Ambrose versus Joey Janela is something I'd love to see. This is it's exciting. There's a lot of new things that we've literally never seen that this is going to be an opportunity if that's where he goes.
00:26:36
Speaker
But the other Easter eggs that have been hiding, that kind of pisses me off a little bit, all these CM Punk ones. Yeah, let's talk about it. I mean, it seems easy to tease that CM Punk would be there, and the new being the elite, Matt Jackson is wearing pro wrestling tees basketball shorts that say Chicago made down the side. Well, right.
00:27:04
Speaker
And then, but that's not an Easter egg. That's not an Easter egg, but that's where they're made. I mean, Pro Wrestling Tees is based in Chicago. That's actually just something that they say on their gear.
00:27:16
Speaker
That's no reference to CM Punk at all. Am I just reading into things? Am I Easter egg boy now? Like going through pointing at stuff? I think you are. I'm not Easter egg boy. You are Easter egg boy. But then today, one of the big things that was announced was that the same day as Double or Nothing, CM Punk is going to be doing commentary on an MMA show in California.
00:27:42
Speaker
And it's just, it's weird that that was announced that it's like, oh, it is the same day, which, you know, my mind immediately goes to Jericho showing up where all we knew is he had a concert and there was no way he was going to make it. Oh, I don't know what to think. I don't know. I don't know. I, I, I'm trying not to get my hopes up on anything. It would be weird for him to show up at double or nothing after passing up on all in.
00:28:13
Speaker
I mean, I'm not saying that that's the reason he's not going to be there, but it would just, it's just weird for him to come around between then and now to be like, oh, all right. Well, I think the main difference between then and now is the Khan family and how much fucking money he could potentially make. Yeah, that's true. That's very true. That's so weird, though, because you go back to his
00:28:36
Speaker
his thing with Colt Cabana, like the podcast they did on Art of Wrestling. One of the things he kept saying was not everything's about money. So it would definitely be funny to see him, that be the deciding factor for him to be like, I don't like pro wrestling anymore, but for that amount of money, I'll go do it. It just basically makes him Brock Lesnar. Yeah. Well, when he said that he didn't need the money, it's been a few years and he hasn't been doing a ton. Things change, man. What do you think?
00:29:06
Speaker
about CM Punk? Yeah, is he gonna be there? Is he going to AEW? I don't care. I really don't. You don't care, but you're looking at the fucking Easter eggs. I'm looking at things that are there that everybody's gonna pick apart, and I'm doing the same thing, but this has been so many years now. To me, it's- You kinda over it. It's like Vince McMahon's, it's Passé.
00:29:34
Speaker
Like, I just as well keep rooting for a Roman Reigns heel turn, or a John Cena heel turn. I don't give a shit. Like, if he comes back awesome, if he shows up, I'm gonna pop super hard. But I'm not gonna hold my breath for it. I think that's the best stance to take. Something else I wouldn't have held my breath for is the NWA putting on a show that I enjoyed quite a bit over the weekend, Derek. See, I haven't heard anything about this.
00:30:05
Speaker
They still, okay, over the weekend, they brought back the Crockett Cup, a tag team tournament, and they were gonna crown new NWA tag team champions. And they kind of made a big deal out of it, and they brought in some guys from New Japan, they brought in guys from Ring of Honor, and then they had their own guys, which I think this helps. NWA definitely needs to every time partner with people if they're gonna need people to watch this and get their own guys over.
00:30:36
Speaker
Considering the rise of AEW is it a weird time for NWA to try to get back in the game? Yes, but I mean they in all fairness they were trying before.
00:30:47
Speaker
I guess that's true. But the main issue I have with their product, I love that they make it look old. I love that they're trying to go for that original look like the title cards look like old 70s graphics. They're going out of their way to make this look like original NWA. And the show itself, I really enjoyed a lot of matches on this card, but nearly in between every match, they bring out
00:31:17
Speaker
old nwa wrestlers like guys who started with nwa and to me that is killing the momentum of those shows like you think they're they're picking the wrong time to kind of honor their legacy well for instance they had a match for the u.s title or the north i guess yes the north american title u.s title whatever they have willie mack versus colt cabana
00:31:47
Speaker
ended up being a great match. And what's funny is we're watching some of these guys that Jim Cornette hates, and Jim Cornette has to call the match and act like it's great because he's getting paid. One of the true highlights of, oh my God, if they had booked best friends on that show,
00:32:05
Speaker
I don't know if I could have lived. I would have just, I guess they're signed to AEW so they can't, but even throughout the match he goes, I'll be honest, I've had issues with Colt Cabana in the past, but he goes, now he's showing a bit of intensity. He's looking more serious. It looks like he's trying to win the match and he does end up winning.
00:32:22
Speaker
Colt Cabana is the new NWA US North American champ, whatever. And I don't know, I don't remember what it's called. I just know it has the United States across. You're excited, but you don't know what it is. But then after that match is over, they bring out a line of old wrestlers, which is, yeah, it's cool to see Magnum TA, but they've brought him out at all in. They brought him out at that NWA show here in Nashville. Then they brought him out at this. And it's just a weird
00:32:49
Speaker
thing that kind of, I don't know, it's like their cool down match is bringing you guys that are in bad physical shape that make you feel kind of bad. Do you, I mean, how do you feel about that?
00:33:07
Speaker
I think that like I said, I think there's a time and a place to do that kind of thing. I don't know if that's part of their strategy to actually use it as a cool down moment. I don't agree with that. I do think there's, I think there's something to be said for trying to honor the history of NWA. I don't know if you need to constantly bombard people with it and do it every show and in between every match.
00:33:30
Speaker
Yeah. I just I can't tell if because they do have good wrestlers on this. They're bringing in guys that you want to see wrestle. You know, it was a pay-per-view I wanted to seek out. But at the same time, are they trying to make a nostalgia wrestling show or are they trying to actually be a competitive current brand? Yeah, I don't know. I had a mutual friend of ours a couple of weeks ago text me out of the blue to be like, did you know Billy Corgan owns a wrestling promotion? I was like, as a matter of fact, I did.
00:34:01
Speaker
He's like, oh, that's awesome. I'm like, well, depending upon who you talk to, some people think he's doing a shitty job. I just I don't get it. Like, I mean, the show, you could tell they were running off better cameras. They had better timing. It didn't seem like there were a lot of issues. So, you know, I don't know if they were using Ring of Honor's guy, you know, camera crew and everything for that. But break it. Let's break it down for a second. PCO and Brody King now have NWA tag team championships, Derek.
00:34:32
Speaker
You happy, man? Who was it? I think it was, I think Joey sent me a message on Twitter of the PCO action figure that is currently in development. Yeah. And he asked me what I thought about it. I was like, well, this is obviously indestructible. It's a toy that you can give to any child and they'll never break it. No matter how hard they try, the head will not come up, come off. I've seen him land on it a hundred times.
00:34:59
Speaker
And, oh, I did watch, there's, have you seen the PCO documentary on YouTube that somebody made? It's like 15 minutes long. I have not. It made me feel like such a piece of shit. Why? Because he seemed like such a nice guy. Look, you feel like you give him way too much shit for him being like, he was nice to me at the Hyatt Regency in Schomburg, Illinois.
00:35:22
Speaker
No, I'm saying- He seemed friendly. Yeah, he seemed perfectly friendly and he was talking about being 50 years old and he's like, I genuinely believe I have another 10 years of this left in me. Five good years?
00:35:36
Speaker
That's kind of a weird way of putting it. I could keep doing this for 10. I would only be good of it for half of that. Is it his fault that we're having these really weird sideshow matches? The opening fucking match for the Crockett Cup tournament was the Briscoes versus the Rock and Roll Express.
00:35:59
Speaker
Oh, boy. The Rock and Roll Express, it's not even like they're on a farewell tour right now. They're just on a tour. They're just out working. They're just out working. They're going out there working big tag teams. They're making towns. And it is, I mean, goddamn Ricky Morton did a topé suicida in this match.
00:36:17
Speaker
And when he landed on the ground, it looked like he broke his fucking arm. Like you could see like, oh shit, my fragile body hurts. And he would probably punch me in the dick for saying that. But the thing is I'm enjoying the shit out of their matches, but I don't want to watch these guys get hurt. Are you getting more and more worried that you're going to watch one of these guys die in the ring?
00:36:42
Speaker
We watch enough wrestling and thankfully I've never seen an encr- Well fuck that. I was gonna say I've never seen a serious injury. I watch Takahashi break his neck right in front of my face. That's not true. I guess, yeah, I mean knock on wood. I've never seen a life ending injury and I don't want to. I hope not. That's not why I'm here. Yeah. And I mean is it
00:37:07
Speaker
I don't know. Somebody was saying that I was a bad person for saying the looking forward to Rock and Roll Express matches now. And I kind of want to just start showing Leah current Rock and Roll Express matches and just have her react. Because she would be shocked to see the Briscoes beating up these guys.
00:37:28
Speaker
Why haven't you? Is she even interested? Are you gonna be able to get your wife to sit down and watch something like that? I mean, a four-minute Cody promo is one thing. Well, you know, maybe we'll take the people to the bonus zone and just do a commentary on a match with her. We have been talking for over a year about doing a commentary episode.
00:37:48
Speaker
Is there any matches you guys, or paper views or anything you would want to see us do a full commentary on? Because I wouldn't mind just sitting down and watching it with you and doing it. That's actually a really good idea.
00:38:01
Speaker
You know what I mean? We should put out an invitation to send requests, and we'll pick a pay-per-view or something, and we'll do an audio track for it. That would be a lot of fun. That would be something new that we haven't done yet. We should look into that. Who knows? Maybe we could make a monthly bonus zone out of it.
00:38:20
Speaker
We could. Oh, God, that would be a long episode for a pay-per-view. What else? Oh, OK. Just going back to NWA for a minute. Nick Aldis versus Marty Skirrell was the main event for the NWA title. And it was a decent match, Derek.
00:38:39
Speaker
So you're saying somebody else got a good match out of Nick Aldis? Yes, Marty did. But I'm trying to decide, was it a good match or was it just different because Marty punched Nick Aldis in the face and busted his eyebrow open and he was just drenched in blood the rest of the match. That's your thing. That's what you like. It definitely adds a level of excitement to it. And maybe he just needs to bleed every match. Garrett loves some juicing.
00:39:08
Speaker
Hey man, this week's NXT, Walter gets busted open. Oh fuck. Not on purpose. And if you try and watch the highlights from WWE's YouTube, it goes black and white when it gets to that part. Oh, that's such bullshit. So that's what's going on. Exactly. Uh, yeah, I felt good watching NXT UK for a minute, getting to see Walter again. I feel like we've been missing him a little bit. I love me some Walter.
00:39:34
Speaker
Garrett, I don't know if you have heard. So there's this nice little documentary series going on right now over at Viceland called Dark Side of the Ring. And over the last few days, I've gotten caught up on the episodes that have come out. There's actually another one coming out tonight while we're recording this, but
00:39:54
Speaker
I don't know if you've seen them yet. Um, they've done a few. They did one on macho man, Randy Savage and miss Elizabeth. They did one on the Montreal screw job with Bret Hart. And then they did another one on bruiser Brody. I watched these, they blew my mind. They're so well made. Like, did you get a chance to check those out?
00:40:14
Speaker
I did. Last night I was able to watch the Bruiser Brody one and the Macho Man one. I was watching it on the Viceland website. And if you have somebody's cable password, which I'm using my parents because I don't have cable. I don't know what kind of money you think I have. I don't have that cable money. So I'm using my parents' cable password. I'm able to watch the first two. No problem.
00:40:37
Speaker
The Montreal Screwjob, every time I clicked it, it would tell me that's what was playing and it would start the Bruiser Brody one. I would reset everything, try it again, and then it would play me a show about, it would say it was the Montreal Screwjob, but it was a show about cooking with marijuana. Helpful, helpful, not what I was looking for though.
00:40:56
Speaker
So my roommate actually DVR'd these unprompted I never asked him to do this and then he asked me about it on Sunday and I sat down and watched the Macho Man one with him and I was hooked so I watched the other two this week and
00:41:12
Speaker
Here's the thing, I had a similar issue watching that Montreal Screwjob one that kept trying to play the Bruiser Brody episode. However, I figured it out. Okay, so that isn't just me. That's Viceland really trying to push this Bruiser Brody episode and it fucked me up. It delivered.
00:41:31
Speaker
I didn't know very much about Bruiser Brody at all before watching this, and it affected me. Actually, stop for a moment. Are there any other recorded incidents of a wrestler murdering another wrestler?
00:41:49
Speaker
at a show or period? Or is this the only one? I mean, you hear stories about how it used to be like the Wild West, you know, in decades past and there were fights and it was kind of a rough atmosphere to be in, but I feel like this is the only one you ever really hear about. They really, truly made Puerto Rico wrestling sound like the scariest place in the world. They really, really did.
00:42:17
Speaker
I'm pretty sure here's the, here's the awkward thing. I'm not a hundred percent on this. I think WWE has put Carlos cologne in the hall of fame. Oh, that was like three years ago. This was recently that they put him in the hall of fame. Did that, was that a controversy? Did that come up at all? I mean, he was a guy that I knew had some shady shit in the past, but I didn't really know what it was. This really gave me a lot of information on the bruiser Brody murder.
00:42:45
Speaker
Right. It had you ever even heard of. What invader one? No. In any context besides this.
00:42:57
Speaker
I didn't know the details to his murder. I didn't realize it was, I guess I knew so little about Bruiser Brody's death that I didn't realize another wrestler had actually killed him in the locker room, basically. Well, yeah, it's Jose Gonzalez, and he performed under the name Invader One? Yeah, it's Invader. Okay, I wanted to make sure. I was gonna say, I had always heard that his death or his murder was violent.
00:43:26
Speaker
But I guess I'd never, I didn't understand. Like, I don't know where my mind went with that information, but this, this Viceland documentary fucking makes it seem like it's the worst thing ever. And they have Tony Atlas is the guy that's in the room when it happens. And they have him telling his side of the story. And they also had Dutch Mantel. And Abdul of the Butcher. And Abdul of the Butcher. And there's so, the thing is, I don't know if you got this since when you were watching it.
00:43:57
Speaker
even like as everyone's telling their side of the story, for some reason Dutch was the only guy I 100% believed. There were definitely things that I thought Tony Atlas was like you know embellishing. Right. And they definitely they also edited to make Abdul of the Butcher. I mean or he just truly seemed that guilty. I mean a lot of this was done in editing obviously but
00:44:24
Speaker
Yeah, it was hard to believe all sides, and even when it comes to the two people directly involved in the murder, it's kind of fucked up. So, Bruiser Brody, I don't think, I knew he was like a tough, stiff wrestler, but I didn't realize he was just kind of an asshole in the ring is what it sounded like.
00:44:47
Speaker
The match you had told me that was related to this documentary was in Vader 1 against Bruiser Brody and you had made it seem like after you watched it like it's literally just Bruiser Brody taking advantage of him and beating the shit out of him. I felt like I watched a different match.
00:45:04
Speaker
I guess for me, it was like watching the documentary Grizzly Man not knowing that after the documentary came out, that guy got eaten by a bear. It was just so awkward watching a match that was the original cause for this guy's hatred for him. I mean, but what's so weird about that? I mean, if you go back and watch it, like they he puts these like towards the end of the match, he's still putting like choke like like holds.
00:45:35
Speaker
Yeah, because he wants to finish the match. He's not going to just quit. I'm not going to say that he wasn't stiff with him, but I mean, it wasn't like it was JBL beating the shit out of the blue meanie. I guess for me, it wasn't his punches. It never looked like he was really punching him. I watched several bruiser Brody matches last night and it looked like the stiffest thing he did is kick you straight in the head.
00:45:59
Speaker
Yeah. And he did it to that guy a lot to the point that he's fucking spitting blood out of his mask. Like he's wearing a mask and you can see that it is now soaked in blood. Is that what made him bleed for sure? Or did they? Because there's a point where he grabs him.
00:46:16
Speaker
and like starts ripping at the mask. Like, and I figured there was like a blade job or something that went on because they were still working together. It wasn't like there was like, it didn't seem like there was any miscommunication about, you see, I guess our listeners will have to go back and watch this match between Invader One and, uh, Bruiser Brody. It's on YouTube. It's like, what, nine minutes? Yeah. It's like nine minutes long. And I, and they are so far removed from the crowd.
00:46:41
Speaker
Yeah, that was another weird thing is that it's like they're in the middle of either like a soccer field or a baseball field, but there's nobody like field level. There's nobody on the ground. Everyone's back in the stands like, you know, maybe a hundred feet away watching this match take place with nobody around them except the camera and the ref.
00:46:59
Speaker
Which is that what made Bruiser Brody be like, if I don't punt this guy's head off, the guy in the back row isn't even gonna be able to tell. So I gotta make it look real good. Maybe. But did you notice how loud that crowd was too in the video? It was like they didn't mind the fact they were far away. You would have thought that they were right on top of the camera.
00:47:19
Speaker
You can tell this promotion was hot as hell. They were having a blast. But from what I can tell, I watched some other wrestling from that. I watched some Abdullah Brody matches in this Puerto Rican promotion. And it's the same shit, but they are stabbing each other in the head. What's funny is these matches, I watched a video, I think it was 15 minutes. Seven minutes of it was the match. The rest of it was just Bruiser Brody covered in blood, running through the arena.
00:47:49
Speaker
Like, and when I say the arena, he ends up at the top of the stands and you just see people clearing as he moves. It's like a fucking Gigi Allen concert. He's covered. I had mentioned this to you earlier in the day, man. I got such a hard on watching that guy swing that chain going up into the crowd and watching people run like there was a fucking bowl that got loose on the streets.
00:48:10
Speaker
There was something, this is a fan of professional wrestling to see that kind of visceral reaction from a crowd where they're like, I'm getting the fuck up out of here. I've only experienced that once. And it was with you at GCW last year trying to get up out of your seat to run away from the glass that was about to be rained down upon us. Which I think was coming from Joey Janela. Yeah.
00:48:33
Speaker
who you adore, by the way. Oh, yeah. Not afraid of Joey Janela at all. I'm trying to think, though. I mean, it's just so cool to look back and see a time where wrestling was so real that people feared this man. Yeah. And it's easy to see why. Again, I didn't know much about Bruiser Brody going into this, but it's before my time. It's a name you hear. You know, we have a guy from our hometown
00:49:01
Speaker
He's working the work in the indie scene right now under the name Jake Durden and he has a very bruiser Brody look to him and people have compared him to bruiser Brody a little bit I I'm so glad I checked out this at least this episode of the the Viceland series because I feel more informed I feel more well-rounded now about things beyond my generation But there was another one
00:49:30
Speaker
Did you have a follow-up thought? Yeah, I did. This was something that stuck with me too. So after that match with Invader One, three wrestlers had to take Invader One to the hospital. And even Tony Atlas said, this dude's head was swollen up like a pumpkin. Brody beat the shit out of him.
00:49:50
Speaker
Yeah, and he said on the way there. He looked back at invader one and invader one said i'm gonna kill that man someday Which once again that sounds like probably not word for word what he said because tony atlas makes it all sound very Right, you know very matter of fact
00:50:06
Speaker
but this was like three years prior. And then it said Brody was gonna buy into the company and he was gonna change shit and one of his plans was to get rid of Invader One because he didn't like him. And it sounded like a big thing for Brody was if he didn't like a wrestler, he would beat the shit out of him in the rain. And this guy, his child had just died and he knew that this dude was gonna fire him. And he stabbed him and killed him. I don't know, it's just,
00:50:36
Speaker
I could see where somebody who's in such a dark place like that could be, like basically Bruiser Brody wronged him three years ago, he never forgot he was in a dark place and he killed him. That's kind of, I don't know. You're trying to justify the murder of Bruiser Brody.
00:50:52
Speaker
I'm not trying to justify it, I'm just saying like I wouldn't have murdered him, but I see where like a person who, think of it, it's a wrestler, a lot of brain, like a lot of hits to the head, probably a lot of concussions. You know, I could see how, you know, a bad situation in your life could get you fucked up and now you're taking it out on this guy. Well based on my limited viewing of Invader One's work, he sells like a shithead and maybe that's why Brody got a little bit pissed off and had to lay it in.
00:51:22
Speaker
You were also watching a match where he was getting his ass beat for real. I bet you were seeing what it looks like. I'm saying he deserved it. His fucking selling was atrocious and that's how you get somebody to sell as you make it real. Well, that kind of happened. I was watching a steel cage match between Brody and Lex Luger and just partway through the match, Brody just stopped selling. He just quit selling and eventually Lex just left the steel cage.
00:51:53
Speaker
And I saw an interview about it later, and they asked him, like, what happened? Was something wrong? And he's like, no, nothing's wrong.
00:52:00
Speaker
Then why did you just quit? I will say, but you hear so many. I get I get what you're actually getting at, which is that you feel like Brody was doing some dickhead stuff and that was all the motivation this guy needed to exact his revenge. And clearly he was off his rocker. I thought it was fucked up the way that a locker room full of guys
00:52:24
Speaker
wouldn't say what happened and were on his side. And it just they basically got away with it. He got away with murder. And I get what you're saying about Brody beating the shit out of him being wrong. I will say also that there's plenty of people who said that Bruiser Brody was a nice guy.
00:52:42
Speaker
And it seemed like behind the scenes, it seemed like he was a nice guy. Like, seeing him interact with his kid was awesome, and just seeing him, like, be friends with people. And people talk, you know, Tony Atlas seemed to look at him as a pretty good friend, and it, I don't know, it was, he's an odd character to me now. Knowing that he beat the shit out of people for real, which, they said that part of it was
00:53:06
Speaker
You know, he's trying to protect the business. So him and Abdullah would beat the shit out of each other for real to prove that the business isn't fake. But if they're the only ones doing it, what are you really proving? Yeah. I guess I just didn't get that mentality, but it was also a completely different time in pro wrestling. It was a lot more carny. It was, you know, very serious to keep it.
00:53:33
Speaker
You know, early mid 80s. I mean, that's right when WrestleMania is taken off and. I mean, Vince had a very specific way of doing things. The territories were still around and some people took that shit really seriously, obviously. Did the. Miss Elizabeth Macho Man Randy Savage episode, did that did that touch you the way it touched me, Garrett? In a happy or sad way? Both.
00:54:03
Speaker
I mean, we ultimately know where this story ends up.
00:54:07
Speaker
We'll go back a little bit. I think the thing, and I don't know, maybe this is not anything specific to do with Macho Man Randy Savage. I think the thing that fucked me up was seeing how fragile life is, because when you think of Macho Man Randy Savage, you think of how outrageous that character was, and all the catchphrases, and all the things that he did in his career, and him being kind of a international icon.
00:54:34
Speaker
when they showed his brother taking flowers to the tree that his car crashed at or crashed into.
00:54:45
Speaker
And it was just kind of like a mundane normal tree that you would see in any residential neighborhood. And you realize that that is where a guy that's iconic fucking, he died. Those, that's where his last moments were. Something about it really hit home with me. Like, it's just like, it doesn't matter what you do in this life or how big you get, you can still like find a very average spot to have your life in.
00:55:09
Speaker
As you were watching him place those flowers on the tree, were you thinking to yourself, I wonder if my business card's still in his wallet? He took a button too, by the way. If he was wearing that in the Vice dock, I would have shit my pants. Yeah.
00:55:29
Speaker
Now, I think one of the things that fucked me up is, yeah, I agree with you. Like, seeing a larger than life, like, he was built up to be a god, you know? But the thing that fucked me up most in this is seeing how he was in a relationship. Just seeing how jealous he was and, you know, it never said he was abusive. But he seemed emotionally abusive to her.
00:55:54
Speaker
I think from the more I've listened to shoot interviews with guys, especially the things I've heard about Kevin Nash being able to make his marriage work, the thing you always hear is don't get your significant other involved in the pro wrestling business, and basically what I got out of that story.
00:56:13
Speaker
Is that Randy was really paranoid that because the person that he loved was in the pro wrestling business Basically, he thought what was gonna happen to him is what happened to Kurt Angle Where Jeff Jarrett basically stole Kurt Angle's wife from him I'm not justifying him being like paranoid or whatever but I like just like you were saying about fucking invader one I think I understand where that can come from
00:56:38
Speaker
And again, it doesn't sound like he was being physically abusive. Lex Luger on the other hand, two bruised eyes to miss Elizabeth, drug overdose. And the thing is, they really were like, and I think they may always be, they're considered like the iconic pro wrestling couple, Elizabeth and Macho Man.
00:57:00
Speaker
The next big thing that's gonna happen is Randy Orton's gonna fuck Candice LeRae. And steal her from Johnny Gargano. And they're gonna make that a real life thing and now she's his valet and hopefully one day puts her back up on his shoulder and we all cheer and cry.
00:57:19
Speaker
But did you learn anything about this that you didn't know already? I think for me a lot of it, what I said is what I took away really, was just seeing who he was as a person around her. But it also seemed like around children he was just the coolest dude. Right.
00:57:42
Speaker
I don't know. It's weird to learn more about these guys behind the scenes and see, you know, home photos of him and hear his friends actually talk about instances. I don't know. Seeing the dynamic behind the scenes of Heaven Miss Elizabeth fucked me up a little bit. It didn't ruin the way I look at Macho Man, but it made it different.
00:58:07
Speaker
I would agree with that. I also think another really sad moment in that is when they do the interview with him when he's like a hip hop macho man and it's after Miss Elizabeth has passed and they interview asking about what his thoughts are. And it's crazy because it's so late in the episode when they do this and you've just heard their entire journey and their history and their relationship together and everything they went through.
00:58:33
Speaker
To see a person have to resort to basically being like I feel really bad for her family we were really close and everything and that's kind of the end of their story. This is something like your significant other can basically having a mic showed in their face and basically you can say as I feel bad for her family and gonna miss her and it's sad.
00:58:54
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Man, seeing him as an old, like when he was old and retired, I just, I don't know if I had ever really seen photos of gray hair, gray beard, macho man, and seeing those pictures of him with his new wife at that point,
00:59:12
Speaker
I don't know, it was just nice to, it kind of looked like Macho Man had found peace a little bit. And it made me happy seeing that, you know, it looked like he has gotten past a lot of stuff and just looked like a happy old man.
00:59:26
Speaker
Well, these are really good and you definitely need when you get a chance to need to go check out that Montreal screw job one. And obviously they got one about the Von Erics coming out this week. So I'll have to check that one out as well. And there's, I think there's a few more on the way. These Weissland dark side of the ring or dark side of wrestling, whatever the hell it's called. It's dark side of the ring.
00:59:48
Speaker
Check them out if you haven't already. They're fantastic. The dramatic reenactments that they have with the actors. God damn, they put a lot of effort into making these things like really, really good. I mean, Spike Jones produced it. I saw that in the credits and I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. But we do have two days of New Japan paper views to two in the morning today and tomorrow.
01:00:14
Speaker
Wow, there's a lot of stuff coming up. The big matches, it's Duntaku. The big matches, I believe we have Taichi versus... Taichi versus Jeff Cobb for the Never Open Weight title. And then the main event of that show is going to be Dragonly versus Ishimori for the...
01:00:35
Speaker
the junior heavyweight title, then the second night the main event is Sonata versus Okada for the title. And I don't know if you saw, they're having the best of the super juniors coming up, and there's one spot that's left as a mystery. You don't know who it's gonna be, and there is a hell of a lot of speculation.
01:00:54
Speaker
the Takahashi's coming back. He's back? Is he healthy? We haven't seen him. There's just rumors that he could potentially be the mystery opponent. And I can't think of a better mystery opponent. I'm ready for the guy to be back. I hope he's healthy. I hope he's good.
01:01:10
Speaker
That's exciting. The other thing is next week, we're going to be doing a review of what was supposed to be my first ever pro wrestling event, but was not to be. We will be talking about WCW, Slamberry, 1999. Uh, next Thursday's episode will actually be the 20 year anniversary to the day, May 9th. So.
01:01:33
Speaker
We're gonna celebrate a good time you didn't get to have. We're gonna celebrate, maybe. Maybe we'll be celebrating something that was bad that I didn't have to experience, but either way, I didn't go to my first pro wrestling show until 2004, and this was supposed to happen, you know, a few years before that.
01:01:51
Speaker
And I've always I've never seen this this pay-per-view before. And I'd kind of like to go back and see what I would have seen at my first pro wrestling show had I gone. And this took place in St. Louis care. I think this was at the TWA Dome. Is that the what became the Edward Jones Dome? I believe so. But we'll we'll go back and check this out. And that's what we'll be doing on next week's episode. Obviously, we'll have some new Japan stuff to talk about, maybe some more of Iceland dark side of the ring episodes to cover.
01:02:19
Speaker
You want me to get Leah to watch some Rock and Roll Express and get her to come on with us next week and do a few minutes, given her thoughts on what it's like to watch the Rock and Roll Express in the year 2019? Yeah, why not? Why the hell not?
01:02:36
Speaker
I just, I'm excited to show her that. What are you going to tell me, Derek? I'm not going to tell you anything, but I'm going to recommend that you do the thing that we have not done this entire episode. Somehow we have not told the people how they can help us out, nor have we told them how they can reach out to us on social media. Do you want me to cover half and you cover half or do you want to do the whole thing and you want me to do the whole thing?
01:02:58
Speaker
How do you feel, Derek? Do you feel like you're going to be more effective at getting? You know what? You ask them for the reviews because it's your fucking birthday and they're going to feel guilty. That's true. That's a great strategy. Guys.
01:03:12
Speaker
You're listening to this, it's my birthday soon. As a matter of fact, if you're listening to this today, it comes out, it's my birthday tomorrow. The ultimate birthday gift for me. If you're a fan of Predetermined to Pro Wrestling Hangout, go over to iTunes, give us five stars, leave a really nice review. You give us that review, you know how it works. We have to watch or listen or observe, check out something. As long as it's even slightly related to Pro Wrestling, we will talk about it on the podcast.
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And yeah, that would be the best birthday present you could give me. Another review. Please, please do it for me.
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And while you're doing that, be sure to check us out on social media. We're at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. We're at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter and Facebook. I am at Gartet on social media. Derek is at Halloween Halpin. Thank you so much, everybody, for listening this week. Next week's episode is number 69, which is gonna make somebody giggle, probably us. Nice. Nice. So what I'm gonna do right now is go watch my goddamn St. Louis Blues, hopefully,
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beat the Dallas Stars. And you're gonna edit this episode so it's up at midnight, huh? We'll see, man. Hey, if this episode came out a little after midnight this week, it's because I stayed up too late watching Honky. And you know what? You can hit our goddamn music to that.