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The Intangible Wand - Ep 24
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Ash and Tilly are about to embark on their biggest quest yet - trying to find archaeological evidence for the origins of magic! But how can you identify magic in the archaeological record? Listen in to hear a discussion about what defines a wand, how to tell if someone’s used magic, and what the link is between witches and beer.
Links
- Intangible and tangible knowledge in Open-Air Museums (article)
- Muscle development in prehistoric archers (article)
- Women and beer (Smithsonian)
- Witches and Beer
- Evolution of witches from brewers
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Introduction to 'And My Trowel'
00:00:01
Speaker
You're listening to the Archaeology Podcast Network. You have my sword. And you have my boat. And my trowel. Hello, you're listening to episode 24 of And My Trowel, where we look at the fantastic side of archaeology and the archaeological side of fantasy.
Magic in Archaeology and Fantasy
00:00:19
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I'm Tilly. And I'm Ash. And today, we're going to be investigating something a little bit magical. Ooh, what is it? No, no, I mean, literally, we're looking at magic. Oh, magic, right. Okay, what do you mean? What kind of magic? Well, remember a while ago when we had to intervene with the extremely obvious and regular Society of Wizards while they were having a theoretical argument? You mean when we had to explain pre processional and post-processional approaches to stop them throwing fireballs at each other? Exactly, by the way. For those who missed it, check out episode 13. Well, they have come to us for help with a project they're currently working on about the history of magic. so
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Here's the deal.
Origins of Wizardry - A Historical Perspective
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So the extremely obvious and regular society of wizards are currently writing a history of the society, but they've gotten a little bit stumped right at the start. Classic, really. They're trying to find out when the society could technically be identified as having started, but in order to do that, they first need to work out when wizards came into existence. And a wizard, in according to their definition, is simply a human who is able to manipulate magic in some way. So therefore they have to determine the origin point of magic use by humans, which goes very, very, very far back in time. So they need the help of a professional team of archaeologists to help them out. So I signed us up.
00:01:44
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Well, at least they're not throwing fireballs at each other anymore. Exactly.
Magic in Literature and Media
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So, Ash, as with every archaeological investigation, let's start with a literature review. And by that, I mean fantasy literature. ah So, which, I mean, I feel like asking the question, which fantasy books have you read that feature magic is a little superfluous because... Every single one. Pretty much every single one. I'm trying to think of a fantasy book I've read that doesn't feature magic.
00:02:16
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I don't so house is silent like think then i mean There's like ones that are like contemporary EU's but like they still they still feature like mythological creatures which should be magic. so I mean if it's like werewolves and stuff does that count as magic? Or minotaurs. If it's like supernatural or something. probably because I mean it's a ah magic adjacent at least because they wouldn't exist in OA but depends on how the world is built oh you're getting really deep into it now I thought this would be a quick and easy quest but maybe actually it'll be more complicated than we thought so okay in terms of their magic use let's narrow it down what would be your favorite kind of if you think of a magical book like magic in fantasy what's the first thing you think of
00:03:08
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Hmm, magic and fantasy. I think of people conjuring things, really, and like witches and wizards. And well, I'm reading Fowldays by Genoviva de Mova, who was actually on our Ents episode. I can't remember what the podcast was, but on our Ents episode. And she's just recently brought out a book and it's all about witches. And that magic is really ingrained into the whole fabric of of the world. And I like i like that when the the magic is very much the landscape and the people and the how they interact and then they can kind of sort of
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are attached to it in some way. It's part of them rather than it's something that they hone. yeah you know yeah it's just sort of a like you You grow into your magic rather than yeah learning the magic, if that makes sense.
Magic's Role in Fantasy Worlds
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It's not just a sect of people. In Harry Potter, you've got the wizards and then there's the muggles who can't have no magic. right It's more like anyone can, like the force. like you can tap into it. I mean that's fantasy. Or is it sci-fi? Oh gosh, now we're getting into full. It's fantasy sci-fi. Right? It's sort of both. Yeah. Yeah, yeah that sometimes it's quite nice when you have that sort of chosen one trope, I suppose, in a book where it's like there's always one kid that has like
00:04:30
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and an affinity to magic. And that's quite cool. I do quite like that, but there's something about it when the whole world is connected to the kind of more elemental magic and you can sort of, you have a gift, but you can tap in and out of it. I always quite like that sort of concept. yeah Or even the older sort of practices of more pagan-esque, familiar magic that we're used to and in our society, where there's different collections of, you know, you collect herbs, use herbs, it's more a naturalistic magic. I quite like that too. yeah Yeah, what about you? Yeah, I think I like ah similar. it's It's where sort of magic is almost like an element that technically anyone can use, but maybe some are more trained in using it than others and you know you sort of become specialized in it and that kind of thing. i think i
00:05:17
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quite enjoy those ones. But I must admit, I do, I quite like those sort of fantasy world buildings and universes where it's like, it's sort of normal every day. You know, like it's it's not dependent, if the magic was gone, it would still be an interesting story. You know, it was sort of, but the the fact that there's magic there, it does add a little extra something. But it's not like, oh, the only reason this is an interesting story is because we've added magic. You know what I mean? Like it's, yeah, kind of a rather than a central. ah to the story exactly in that case, which I'm trying to think of my favorite. I mean, of course, you know, there's the witches series in Terry Pratchett, which are just fantastic. And what I really like about that one is that they don't use the magic. Most of the time, they just use what they call headology, where like they
00:06:06
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for example there's one one where like the head witch will there's a guy with a bad back and she's sort of saying ah yes you must take this concoction and you must lie on a board made of oak like with it for three nights and you must not lift her you know anything more like you know heavy then a blah bla blah something and he's going So the knots of the wood can like the knots from my back can go into the wood and it's like, Granny was impressed. She hadn't thought of that one. i mean like And so, but they can do magic. They're actually all really powerful witches, but they don't because they know that there's other ways of working magic and like working more in people's heads and like it's a different kind of magic, which I quite like as well.
00:06:48
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Oh, it's very fun actually that it's different. It's more just talking to people and being them and being more like a nurse or a doctor for them, right? Which I mean, it's probably what witches were back in the day, right? Oh yeah, they were healers and midwives and yeah you just yeah. You know what's sort of happening and yeah, you
Witches - Myth and Reality
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can... You're just connected to to the environment that you're in and the plants and you know the properties of the plants and botany very well and things. but that's I've always i always been interested in that just as I'm a candle maker, so that's kind of witchy in a way. You are a witch, yes. I'm a witch, I'll be burnt. We broke candles. yeah
00:07:26
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I would, honestly, yeah. It was like, hmm, the smell of scarab rays I burn. Which candle would you choose? If you had to be burned by my own candle? Oh, that's a good question. Spotagirls has taken a very different turn now, I expected. Yeah, so I had to be killed by one of my own candles in a bladder that, hmm... Starcar, I think. Starcar. Yeah, also it smells like burning wood. So I think it would... It's very soothing. I feel very soothed as I slowly died. What about you? You pick a candle now. Oh, I see. I don't know because the archaeologist desk one is definitely my favourite one. I'm looking at it now. But I do really like your Venus one. Oh, you smell like sweet pears. Right. It's just like a bit of sweetness at the end. Anyway, sorry. You're going to be seen as a goddess, like the gender archaeology stuff we were talking about. Absolutely distressed. Someone saved me. I smell a pair of manila.
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i ever smell that I'm like, oh my god, Tilly's on fire. Quick, quick. um But yeah, and it's interesting also, if we think of how the kind of concept of magic has developed, because I'm thinking of like all of the sort of old, older fantasy that I have read is very much the kind of traditional depiction of magic, I would say, like, you know, it's the yeah epic thing that needs to be controlled in a way. Yeah, or or usually practitioners are, well, you kind of have two types of practitioner. You have a sorcerer, you have a wizard. Usually they're men. There are often times where it's a woman and she's only a sorceress or something. yeah She can never be a wizard.
00:09:06
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for some reason. I mean, even in Harry Potter, the women can't be wizards. out yeah So yeah, so you have it any, I mean, if you think of magic and I think of fantasy, I think of like The Legend of the Seeker and like Doc and Ral, like, you know, evil guy. Or like, oh, you think of Gandalf, don't you? You think of the hat, the wizard. Yeah. And all that kind of stuff. But do you know what, like that kind of concept of witches and magic anyway, I mean, it's very, it is actually a very female thing historically. You have, I mean, they were brewers. They had the pointed hat so you could see them in the market. They had the broom to get rid of the mice and the, they had the cat to get rid of the mice and the broom to make sure the molten and the mice were out of the mold. And they were brewing potions, they were brewing beer. So all those guys at the bar drinking beer or whatever. girls And they were often its older women because either, well seen by society standards as older. Yeah, probably like 20. Yeah. So they were either, you know, spinsters technically, well not spinsters as a profession. Not spinsters, because spinster I learned the other day is a word used to depict someone who could support themselves with their spinning and like weaving expertise. So that's where the word spinster came from. It's exactly the same thing for brewers. of woman yeah but they were They could be independent and therefore a threat to society's structure and they could brew and look after themselves and have their own money and have their own business and that was a threat and that's that's why witches are seen as bad because and often they were older so maybe they had a mole or they had a longer nose or you know they had a bit they had a bit of a hunchback and I don't know where the green came from. skin but
00:10:57
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You know, but that was it. And then it sort of developed over time. they and Then they wrote a broom and they were kind of licentious because they used to drink a lot. And I'll find the article and I will link it in the show notes. Oh yes, please do, please do. Yeah, no, that's really cool. I did not know that about the brewer, so I can add that to my my fun facts knowledge. I go these things. But so, yeah, I mean, gosh, there's just so many examples. I'm even just thinking of modern fantasy as well. And there's so many different examples of things. And you have a lot of like magic objects as well, I think in more modern fantasy. So you'll have like the flying carpet. And, which, you know, is not actually that modern that dates all the way to ones, but then you have, you know, like, yeah, the flying cars and ones and, you know, all of that kind of stuff, which I guess technically staffs were also a bit more old fashioned magic as well. So it's yeah, you have a lot of different kinds of magic and then like elemental magic, which can be manipulated. So it's sort of just around in nature.
00:12:00
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Um, which I think is, I haven't actually read the, his dark materials for ages by Philip Pullman. I have a feeling that that's the whole thing with dust, right? Is that that's sort of magic and that can be kind of. Yeah, dust. It is. And then and there's a knife that can pop between worlds and things. Which hilariously, because and this happened so much to me when I was younger, I would only read things a lot of the time. I wouldn't hear words pronounced, but I'd read them all the time. So I used to say the subtle knife. And my parents were like, what are you talking about? Like the subtle knife. And they're like, you mean the subtle knife? but oh I think, yeah, I think yeah yeah i only realised that grimacing is not grimace. I think that was only about two years ago. I still haven't worked out. Is it epitome or epitome? Epitome. It's epitome, right? But epitome actually comes from the Greek. I learnt this the other day, a lovely author I was talking to at a book launch. She was telling me, because I said this, I was like, oh, so is epitome and stuff. And she was like, actually, that comes from the Greek. That's how we would say it in a way. I can't remember exactly. It's not exactly the same pronunciation, but she was like, that's where it comes from. And that's why it looks like that. And I was like, oh, wait. But then, yeah, English just come along and went, it's epitome. We're just classic. We're such a brilliant archaeologist that we just like know the pronunciation of things.
Archaeological Evidence of Magic
00:13:26
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What is it in that the readers of The Last Hearts were just that good of an archaeologist? Yeah, right. We're just that good. We don't need to do any background research. We're just so that good. We're just that good.
00:13:41
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Well, there's so many examples, I think. So it's going to be really hard to narrow it down, I think. Yeah, sorry. This might be a bit of a longer quest than I thought. I'll go put the cauldron on.
00:13:54
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ah Thanks, Ash. That's a great cuppa. You're welcome. It's Eye of Newt. Thanks, thanks. So, thank so ah let's go back to our current quest. So, so far in this series, we've looked at quite a lot of objects, so a lot of tangible material culture, but I think really this is the perfect example of identifying intangible material culture. Wait, tangible, intangible? What are you talking about, Dilly? I'm so glad you asked, Harsh. I'm waiting for our Oscars to arrive any day. They're in the post. I've been assured. So I need you to get your dice and I need you to do a role for knowledge.
00:14:35
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Uh, 16. Very good, very good. So tangible and intangible are words that kind of use quite a lot in everyday life as well. And so we can apply them to archaeology into material culture. So the definition of tangible is something that's perceptible by touch. So in terms of archaeology, this means objects, structures, buildings, so things that we can actually touch with our bare hands and like visually see in in that respect. Intangible is contrast is unable to be touched, so not having a physical presence. So I guess the best example of that archaeologically would be things like that you can sense, so smells and sounds and all of that kind of thing, because we don't have actual physical evidence for them. They're just, but they must have existed because it's impossible that the past was without sound, right?
00:15:26
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That would be an interesting concept actually, wouldn't it? Suddenly at some point sound just doesn't exist. that is very interesting So I would say that magic is like that. It's a sort of intangible material culture. So we need to almost identify it indirectly. So based on what we've discussed already in terms of what kinds of different magic there are out there, what kind of ideas would you have, Ash, in kind of the way that you could identify magic indirectly in the archaeological record? Well, you'd find like wands, like objects, like staffs and stuff to channel magic, but also specifically if it was attached to a person, like a signature wand or something that can enhance your your magic. So it would be like you swear traces on that or it would even relate to the person.
00:16:18
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That would be so interesting to see if that like magic what kind of use-wear magic I need to do some more research on that. I need to do some experiments. so yeah I should enlist the wizards to do some experiments for me. So use a bunch of wands, and then I can see if there's any use-wear traces on them. And then we can look at random sticks in the archaeological record and see whether they could have been used as wands. Exactly. That's so cool. Oh, man. I know that this is like a fun podcast we're doing, but imagine, wouldn't that be awesome? very Very cool. Because I mean, like I was just thinking in Harry Potter when they go to, I'm not a very, I'm not a big Harry Potter fan. The wizard's like one shop. I don't know the name. I was thinking... Ollivanders. Ollivanders. I was like, what's Gringotts? I think that's the bank. That's the bank, yeah. See, rubbish. I'm not a Harry Potter fan, sorry. But like, I think there's many reasons why. Anyway, I can imagine why that might be. But, like, I'm sure that their wand is suited to their magic or to them, right? It's like very personalized and you can only have that, only that wand will work for you or something. Right, yeah. So you might even be able to link it with a person depending on, I don't know, a particular magical signature or something like that, which would leave physical traces on the wand. But it'd be interesting indeed to see, because I imagine back in the day,
00:17:41
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if we think about how like technology develops, probably the earliest form of ones we might see and not recognize as ones because they don't fit our definition of what a physical one would look like. but so That's why then things like useful analysis or other forms of of kind of scientific analysis would be really useful in identifying that. Yeah, what could you use as a wand? I mean, does it have to be long wooden? Does it have to be wood? Yeah. Yeah, it can be bow, not ivory. Does it have to be even long? Like, does it have to channel something? Something? Does it have to be pointed? Just a rock? Yeah, could it? A rock. A clump of dirt.
00:18:18
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ah classifies a one but i know yeah how it how yeah What what sort of things does a wand have to be? So this is definitely something we'd have to research a bit to find out how to look at those things. And actually rocks, I say rocks, you do have like seeing stones, which is technically another kind of like... magical. I'm not very clued up on seeing stones, what do you mean by seeing stones? I mean the thing like for example the Palantir in Lord of the Rings where you know you can sort of use them to see into the future or into the past or see other locations or see into the lives of people. Or stones, yeah rune stones as well yeah yeah okay.
00:18:59
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technically use as like a historic source almost because maybe there'll be like a really ancient seeing stone that you'd still be able to get like the vestiges of what you could see. Like memory. Yeah, right. Oh, memory stone. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, that would be very cool. To be able to see. So it would be almost like a historic source. Or like a sentient object that you could talk to. Yeah, yeah. Like a head.
Weaving and Magic in Culture
00:19:26
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Just a little stone head. Well, that happens quite often, like like skulls and stuff and true books and things and heads up there. Oh, who is it? Oh, Mimir. So Mimir was renowned for his knowledge in the North Pantheon and North northse mythology, right? Okay. and And wisdom. But then he gets beheaded during a war and basically Odin carries around his head all the time and he recites he recites like secret knowledge and counsel to him and stuff. So he's like a person, but he becomes an object almost because Because Holden's just like carrying him around like this. He's like, for God's sake, I don't want to go to another party. If I don't have any knowledge now, please stop. I don't do anything i know. But basically his name relates to the modern English word memory and like the concept. So he is like he is a vessel of memory and knowledge. So he is like a seeing stone, but he's a bone stone. He's made a bone and he's a person, but it's just his head. Which goes back to our whole thing that we had at some point. Is it a person or is it an object? you know yeah hurt and And if you ever play any like video games and stuff, fantasy video games, and he's in God of War and he's quite funny.
00:20:43
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That's some good combat sounds with a good character. yeah But yeah, so yeah, you'd have like wands, you have seeing stones. And yeah, what else? have we Oh, we talked about magic carpets. Like, yeah, it would also be something like maybe you could look at differences in kind of styles or typology of like the weave or something like that. I don't know. Well, weave. That weaving is magical. true. You have for a lot of, yeah. Yeah. Weaving magic is a huge system that you find. I mean, tapestry weaving, looking at that, there's a whole thing about like mages and how they would weave the strands of reality. You find that in Deborah Harkness's trilogy, the All Souls trilogy. It's literally pulling threads like earth, the light, shadow, water, wind, all the necromancy, like everything is pulling elements and into basically threads. Okay. And and that comes from you know the the fates and things like that. and In Greek mythology, you also have the their counterparts in Norse mythology. It was always difficult for me to say Norse. But I was just laughing because I was remembering in Hercules, we mentioned Hercules in the last episode as well, but you have the three fates and they're going, what's wrong with these fillers? Yeah, that's exactly it.
00:22:01
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yeah And weaving, because I mean, what you're doing is almost a magical process, isn't it? It's taking taking the plant and then it is trans its transforming it into something that you can use to wear and um to make clothing and fabric. so it is very It is magic. It looks like magic to me. I have no idea yeah how happy will we be. I know the practicalities, but yes, I can't do it myself. Which also, again, is that whole thing of looking at something, then a woven object, and then would there be a way of, again, you could probably do some sort of... not use wear, but some kind of analysis to work out whether it was a tool for magical manipulation through weaving, or whether it was just a woven piece of, you know, it was just weaving for something. Because I mean, it's like yeah yeah, I mean, that maybe they have different types of weave, so they could do like a different twills, or they could, you know, different different techniques.
00:22:55
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Yeah, different webs would be different things, you know, so there's lots of different, yeah, you've got all sorts of stuff with weaving and it's very, it's a very traditional skill. So anything, whenever you find it in in fantasy, it usually comes from the myth and it's used as something to do to what's that word it's like you don't know how it's happening or you don't know what's what's going on but then it it sort of it just works yeah it just works and therefore it's like it is magic accent yeah yeah yeah
00:23:27
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Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we already have a couple of examples of things that we can look for. We definitely have to go into that a little bit more, like see what kind of objects could have been used and how we might be able to identify them. But I think that's a good sort of starting point. But any other ideas? What else could we kind of look for?
Human Remains and Magical Evidence
00:23:44
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I mean there's evidence on humans and bones, skeletal pathologies and stuff you can look at. You can look at the kind of muscle attachments, maybe if they're using s a one stone on an arm. Well that is, there was a really interesting study, which I'll link in the show notes, which ah done on archers using longbows and they worked out that like constant use of a longbow using just one arm, like favouring one arm, does actually show up on the skeleton, like you can tell if you look at a skeleton.
00:24:16
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what kind of physical labor constant like continuous physical labor that person might have done. which yeah You find it on the skeletons of, I can't remember if it's millstones or something like that, but it's and when they're using their foot, they always have one gigantic like leg. yeah Yeah, so the right leg was always extremely muscular while the left leg wasn't and stuff like that. So you have that. You can also you can also get it with spinners too, because either they're spinning with one leg, you know, on the and the spinning wheel, they're keeping that motion going, and then they're making the thread elsewhere. So yeah, you've got that too.
00:24:52
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Yeah, which there might be indeed, you know, especially if you're using like one arm. And again, we'd have to, I guess, look at what the different possibilities are. Like if people are particularly using hands for, or, you know, does magic even affect this? Like, does magic itself almost act as a muscle? So like, if you're constantly using magic with your hands, will that show something different to someone who doesn't use magic with their hands? Like, like if you use your trowel, you get that strange muscle growth. so your handanalys but like yeah something But it's like on the top of your palm, yeah in between your you in index finger and your thumb, you'll get this muscle growth growing. And you'll actually it's noticeably different on one hand than the other, depending on which one you use you favor and it. And it always pops up and everyone compares.
00:25:38
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muscle gro muscle like a muscle So like, yeah, you've got that sort of thing. So maybe it would have an actual physical effect. And also it warms if people have been fighting, throwing fireballs at each other. I mean, they literally know both like yeah the yeah sometimes people, I've read a book recently. and it was like a tracking spell and it was actually in order for this person to get in and off this island that was completely surrounded by magic and hidden they actually had the spell inscribed on their chest on the actual what's the bone in between your ribs again the clavicle no that's the the oh gosh i should know this sternum like a sternum yeah so it was it was actually engraved on the sternum
00:26:21
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And so you could see even onto the rib bones as well in in runes and that. So that was great. Yeah. That would be really nice to find a burial where you could see that that would be a really nice clear, clear identification of magic use of some sort. Yeah. So you could find markings on on on skeleton. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So we have objects, we've got skeletons. And then I guess, I mean, it is archaeological still looking at like written descriptions, right? Or or Yeah, your historical archaeology. Yeah, exactly. So written descriptions of magic cues, and I suppose also ethnographic accounts as well. Well, yeah, if you're doing a desk-based assessment, that's what you need, you know?
Historical Maps and Oral Traditions
00:27:00
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You need all that stuff. Could be so Yeah, you could have a map of territories of different types of magic, similar to like when, I mean, if anyone has seen The Last Airbender, there's different regions that are like Earth Kingdoms, Fire Kingdoms, you know, that use different elemental magic. So yeah, why wouldn't there be a map showing you different territories or map markers, or even in the landscape as well? Yes. Physical markers in the landscape of it.
00:27:29
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Yeah, true, and big craters where people have done, you know, had fire battles or something like that, which would be yeah. And I mean, I guess you could also try and look in terms of living memory, but I don't think that would go far. back enough. Although there is a really interesting study that actually Chris and Rachel talked about in last week's or two weeks ago, their their episode of the archaeology show where they found a ritual in Australia ritual that had been kind of gone back for like 20,000 years or whatever, and had apparently just been continued through being constantly handed down through word of mouth. So they still do a similar thing today that they did 20,000 years ago with these. Oh, yeah. fact That's very cool. That's very cool. You know, maybe there's still, there's just communities which practice magic, traditional magic that would have that living memory somehow. of Oh, like absolutely. I mean, even if you, if you look at the kind of more fantasy based druids, that you know, yes, druid culture still still exists in a different sort of neo-druid way here in the UK. People pass down those sort of rituals quite a lot. But then in fantasy, druid, or druidic kind of orders, it's all oral. It's never anything else. So you would never write anything down as passed by elder to to student to padawan. Well, so I mean, that's quite a lot to be getting on
Concluding Thoughts and Listener Engagement
00:29:02
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with. I mean, how would you suggest we then approach this particular problem that we've been given?
00:29:06
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Well, I think we'll probably go back to the wizards and tell them that actually that undertaking is going to be a lot more, take a lot more time and thought than they were written originally expecting. Because it it sounds like there's a lot of stuff that could potentially, you can't pinpoint when magic existed, but maybe we could try and figure it out from archaeological evidence. So we'll have to have to go back in and have a wee think about that, I think. Yeah. And use a lot of other people as well. I think we're going to need to list some help.
00:29:36
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Okay, well, that's about it then for this episode of And My Trial. We hope you enjoyed not necessarily the completion of this quest, but the very, very start of this quest. If, as always, you have any suggestions for topics or future episodes, do get in contact via email or social media. All of our contact info, as well as any references and further reading for the points we've discussed today, can be found in the show notes. And don't remember there don't forget to check out the other shows on the Archaeology Podcast Network. There's lots of them. They cover all kinds of interesting different topics. And if you'd like to really support us and our fellow podcast hosts on the network, you can become a member. All information can be found at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com. You know what, Tilly? I think before we get too deep into this project, because it sounds like it's going to be a long one. I think we need a bit of a break. What do you say we take tomorrow off and we do something fun? Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. What did you have in mind?
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Well, do you like quizzes? I love quizzes. Then I have an idea.
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This episode was produced by Chris Webster from his ah RV traveling the United States, Tristan Boyle in Scotland, DigTech LLC, Cultural Media, and the Archaeology Podcast Network, and was edited by Rachel Rodin. This has been a presentation of the Archaeology Podcast Network. Visit us on the web for show notes and other podcasts at w www.archpodnet.com. Contact us at chris at archaeologypodcastnetwork.com.