Pepper Jones AND Calling Out the Wrong Name During Sex

Transcript

Speaker: up everyone welcome to another episode of sex jokes and whatever today i have one of the people that i've known the longest since starting sex work my favorite cam bottle pepper jones what's up it's me oh you know excited to be here i'm excited too i know this is like i've been telling people i'm pretty sure i just

Speaker: started this to like meet all my idols at this point.

Speaker: It's a smart move.

Speaker: It's a smart move.

Speaker: It's a smart move.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'm pretty impressed.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Talk sex work.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I don't get to do that a lot.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Talking shop.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Everyone else gets to talk shop, but we don't really get to do that as much, right?

Speaker: As sex workers.

Speaker: And it's kind of unfortunate.

Speaker: So yeah, this is really nice for that.

Speaker: Yeah, for sure.

Speaker: All right, girly.

Speaker: I got a collar.

Speaker: writing us today.

Speaker: The title of it is Please, Please, Please Read This and Help.

Speaker: So since you put three pleases, I did.

Speaker: Farrah, I hope you read this and help me.

Speaker: I did the stupidest shit last week.

Speaker: For context, I met the most amazing girl almost five years ago.

Speaker: Everything has been great.

Speaker: We moved in together about a year and a half ago.

Speaker: We talk about getting married.

Speaker: Sex life is amazing.

Speaker: Communication is on point.

Speaker: I really can't say enough wonderful things about our relationship.

Speaker: Two years before meeting my amazing girlfriend, I was in another long-term relationship with an ex that put me through hell.

Speaker: She was emotionally and sometimes even physically abusive, but we had basically grown up together.

Speaker: It was my first real relationship.

Speaker: I didn't know any better and it was hard to get away from the toxicity, but I worked on myself after that.

Speaker: Left my ex way in the past before I even met my current girlfriend.

Speaker: My girlfriend knows about the past relationship.

Speaker: She's not the jealous type.

Speaker: So it's always just been left in the past.

Speaker: We do from time to time see that my ex has been arrested or in some type of trouble and we will show each other comment

Speaker: then move on.

Speaker: Fast forward to last week, me and my girlfriend were being intimate and I called out my ex's name.

Speaker: I have no idea what made that name come out of my mouth.

Speaker: She was the farthest thing from my mind.

Speaker: My girlfriend and my eyes immediately met both shocked and the intimate moment was gone.

Speaker: I ruined it.

Speaker: I initially started apologizing but didn't know how to explain because I didn't even understand what the hell happened.

Speaker: My girlfriend isn't talking to me, which is very unlike us.

Speaker: We can talk through anything.

Speaker: She says she's not sure how to get over this and she doesn't even have the energy to discuss it.

Speaker: I know she must feel heartbroken.

Speaker: I'm heartbroken knowing I hurt her and not knowing how to help.

Speaker: What should I do?

Speaker: How do I explain this?

Speaker: Was not due to me thinking of my ex.

Speaker: Do you think this is repairable?

Speaker: I mean, I don't think it's not repairable.

Speaker: I just think that like, it's going to be totally the balls in her court in that.

Speaker: Cause like you're, you're admitting that like, he didn't mean it.

Speaker: You weren't doing it maliciously.

Speaker: It's not like you're like seeing your ex all that, but like, yeah, that'd be hard.

Speaker: I,

Speaker: That'd be hard.

Speaker: It'd be hard to, like, be okay with, and it would definitely take time if, let's say, that happened to me.

Speaker: I feel like I'd be more understanding because I, I don't know, I just, like, understand, like, sex stuff a little better, but, like, yeah, it would be hard.

Speaker: It'd be hard.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: I'd just be, like, doing whatever she says.

Speaker: I would do that, too.

Speaker: And it's very important that you do give her her space, but I thought, I don't know, maybe...

Speaker: even writing her, y'all live together, writing her letters, not like to annoy her, just kind of like little reminders.

Speaker: Cause I've been in that spot where I just don't wanna talk about that shit.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: It just means, hopefully it just means that she needs some time.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: Cause that is definitely a tricky one.

Speaker: I don't know, I'd be really cool is what would be my advice.

Speaker: Like be real chill, be cool.

Speaker: be really kind, you know, like if she seems irritated by you, give her the space, you know, because like maybe she just needs time to digest it.

Speaker: I would definitely need time to like, you know, get over my initial reaction and be okay with the fact that these things happen sometimes.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Cause stuff happens in bed.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But yeah, it's tricky.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I do, especially since she said she was abusive, I think that shit is probably just,

Speaker: In your psyche.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And who knows?

Speaker: I mean, I believe you that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, you weren't thinking about her, but that is like every girl's worst nightmare.

Speaker: Cause we do want to, in a relationship, just feel like we are number one.

Speaker: True, yes, very true, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: It's a blow to the ego, that's the thing, because even if you're like, you understand, like, because I understand this stuff happens, you know, I've done that stuff before once or twice, and like, it was like, oh, I'm so sorry, right, it wasn't even like that.

Speaker: These things happen, but yeah, it's hard, because like, it hurts the ego.

Speaker: Even if you know, you can't help it, because even if you know it's ridiculous for like, to think that someone should be like, oh, yours, and only ever think of you, you know, it's hard not to want that, and then when it's like, there's any type of like,

Speaker: real display that that's possibly not how it is.

Speaker: That's hard to swallow, right?

Speaker: Reality's hard.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just be cool.

Speaker: It's a tough one.

Speaker: Just be cool, dude.

Speaker: Just be cool.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just be cool.

Speaker: This will be a really great time to show her how patient and loyal you can be and for you to get through something hard.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Her hair must be bruised.

Speaker: exactly exactly for her just yeah oh me too yeah that's why i was like gasp like because that's a that's a hard one yeah even if you totally didn't mean it because like that's the thing you can say you didn't mean it but does she know you didn't mean it and like it's going it's like a seed of doubt thing right yeah yeah so yeah be super cool i really do think you'll be good i yeah i think you just need time yeah you need to be really patient first person or last person that this will happen to you

Speaker: I did, it made me think about a time I, me and my husband had been married a year or two and it wasn't in the bed, thank goodness.

Speaker: Cause that, but I was really frustrated and I just called him my ex's name and yeah, he was the same, like he didn't, I don't think he ever gave a shit.

Speaker: It hurt my feelings.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: The fucking cringe.

Speaker: Absolutely.

Speaker: But now we can, well, now, I mean, it's been years ago, so we don't fucking think about it, which is a good thing.

Speaker: You know, neither one of us think about it.

Speaker: It's just time.

Speaker: Jesus.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Time helps a lot of things.

Speaker: It sucks because it takes time, but yeah, time is good for that kind of stuff.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, anyway, bro.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'm hurting for you.

Speaker: Best of luck to you.

Speaker: So Pep, now, baby, it's been going on with you.

Speaker: Oh my gosh.

Speaker: Oh, I've been trying to fight the anti porn laws happening basically by informing people.

Speaker: I know, right?

Speaker: I knew I was going to talk about you brought it up before I even could.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: How is that affecting Canada?

Speaker: Oh God.

Speaker: Well, the thing is so far, like it isn't affecting Canada, at least like as like a country.

Speaker: But the thing is, um, laws like that are being proposed by our government and only one of our like three basically like dominant government parties

Speaker: has anything to say against it.

Speaker: The other two, the one, the far left and like the far right, both of them are like, yeah, we're down bad for that policy.

Speaker: And it's like, no, so that's not good.

Speaker: Um, and like, it keeps getting passed in the States.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And really the issue is that like a lot of like our internet providers are in the States, right?

Speaker: Like there's only like, like, I think there's like this, like, I think many of it is maybe the only company that's like in Canada, right?

Speaker: All the other companies are in the States.

Speaker: So it still affects Canadian models.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: in the same way.

Speaker: And most of our traffic comes from the states, right?

Speaker: So it's not good for like a lot of reasons.

Speaker: And also doesn't help kids because they never do, right?

Speaker: That's the biggest problem with these laws.

Speaker: It's like, it's just gonna make the kids like go to sites that like aren't regulated at all because of course it's only targeting sites that like actually do a good job or at least try to freaking like moderate anything.

Speaker: And then they're gonna be all even more twisted than they are, you know?

Speaker: Because kids aren't gonna just stop watching.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: They'll find a way.

Speaker: That's what we did when we were kids.

Speaker: So it's not like, I think it's a bad idea to have an age restriction.

Speaker: I just think the way they're going about it is like so bad and not going to be effective and it's going to screw us all over.

Speaker: So not excited about it.

Speaker: Do you think we are winning this fight at all?

Speaker: I feel like I'm in the Bible belt.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: My state and surrounding states, Pornhub is already blocked.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: And there has been for about two months.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: That is the problem is not a lot of people know.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: That's why I try and talk about it a lot.

Speaker: And the other problem is that because it's like around sex workers, us, um, we have less voice.

Speaker: We have less autonomy.

Speaker: People like I talk about this kind of stuff and then people find out what I do for a living.

Speaker: And all of a sudden my opinion is moot.

Speaker: Like, it doesn't matter that this is my industry that I would know best.

Speaker: because I do it for a living, there must be something wrong with me mentally.

Speaker: So discounted, right?

Speaker: And that happens a lot.

Speaker: So people won't take it seriously.

Speaker: Also, a lot of people talk about how like, you know, porn will never go away, right?

Speaker: But they don't understand it's more about the quality of porn.

Speaker: And like the growth of the industry has had is going to be completely stifled.

Speaker: We're going to go back to like 10 years ago, it's gonna be less safe, it's gonna be less a lot of things.

Speaker: So it's not good.

Speaker: Not excited about it.

Speaker: I'm hoping that once they're all passed, everyone will realize how stupid it is and they'll be repealed.

Speaker: But that's the thing.

Speaker: Like once you pass the law, it's hard to unpass the law, you know?

Speaker: So it concerns me for that reason too.

Speaker: And they also just, Texas just sued Chatterbait too.

Speaker: I saw you talking about that.

Speaker: Yeah, it's a bad thing.

Speaker: And they settled.

Speaker: Because Chatterbait didn't do what Pornhub did.

Speaker: Pornhub blocked everybody.

Speaker: Like every state that went down, Pornhub blocked.

Speaker: And Chatterbait, I don't presume to know Chatterbait's inner workings, but I assume that Chatterbait just didn't do it because they didn't take the law seriously.

Speaker: Because at first, no one did.

Speaker: It was like, yeah, right, an age verification law that is ridiculous, that's going to be a crazy privacy concern and also do nothing because people can get VPNs.

Speaker: No way anyone's going to do anything but this law.

Speaker: And then they did, and they came after them.

Speaker: So that's scary, too.

Speaker: And I was waiting to see how that lawsuit settled, and it settled not great.

Speaker: So I'm like, oh, god.

Speaker: Oh, well, they, they wanted like a milli and, and some extra for, for like fines against them for like not having age verification or not like blocking minors.

Speaker: And they settled at a 650 K. So, and that's the thing they settled.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Like, and that, and I was like, I get it.

Speaker: Cause they probably didn't think they would win.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But it sucks because them settling sets a precedent.

Speaker: Cause now like that means any state can sue any site.

Speaker: Not just Pornhub, not just Chatterbase, any site that doesn't comply.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: So either the sites are going to have to try and implement like age verification stuff, which people aren't going to want to use for good reason because it's security hole.

Speaker: Like we're, for example, us, all of our information is on our sites.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: So we, we know that when people hack those sites and stuff, they'd steal our private information and that sucks, but it's like almost like just a risk of this type of work.

Speaker: But now all the customers have to take that risk with us, right?

Speaker: Which is insane, right?

Speaker: And especially because their actual IDs being linked to the pornography they watch or what they consume, that can be used against them.

Speaker: That's like some blackmail to material, right?

Speaker: Like real blackmail.

Speaker: So people are not going to want to put their IDs in, right?

Speaker: So that means we're going to lose traffic from people who don't want to do that and don't know how to use VPNs.

Speaker: And then the people who do use VPNs could get the site potentially in trouble because the law allegedly isn't going to protect sites if a minor uses a VPN to get on the site.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So it's like, are we just going to be getting rid of all free chat?

Speaker: Like what's going to happen?

Speaker: It's scary, not excited.

Speaker: Do you know what people can do?

Speaker: There's a couple, actually I put it up in my discord.

Speaker: There's, I'll send you the link.

Speaker: You can put it in the description.

Speaker: There's a link for people to talk to their senators and their heads of state in the US and talk about how they don't want these laws and they're against them so they don't get passed everywhere.

Speaker: Because so far, they're just getting passed in red states, which I'm not surprised by, right?

Speaker: Because it's run by conservative folk, right?

Speaker: Makes sense.

Speaker: But the fact that there's some blue states that are starting to talk about it and Canada's starting to talk about it, that's why I'm worried.

Speaker: Because I'm like...

Speaker: If it's everywhere, you can't just use a VPN, right?

Speaker: So all of a sudden you're screwed.

Speaker: So it's like not, and it's going to make it harder for us to promote too.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But that's basically what you can do.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I will put all that in the description.

Speaker: So it's important for workers and for fans to get out there and say something.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That I follow on Twitter.

Speaker: That is a lawyer just for sex workers too, that,

Speaker: I won't put his information, but I might try to get that motherfucker to come on here and really.

Speaker: You should.

Speaker: You should.

Speaker: You guys should have a nice chat about, like, the issues with this new legislation.

Speaker: Because I'm not a lawyer.

Speaker: I don't know, like, all the technical know-hows.

Speaker: I just kind of, like, learn what I can, and I can smell trouble, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: I was literally, oh, I was just shocked and disgusted when Pornhub won't come up.

Speaker: And, like, honestly, I'm not even got it.

Speaker: a VPN.

Speaker: I had one.

Speaker: I'm just kind of sad about it.

Speaker: I can't make myself fun.

Speaker: It is sad.

Speaker: It is really sad.

Speaker: Well, the saddest part about these laws is that it's basically limiting, making it harder for adults to just access porn in the face of like saving kids, but it does nothing for the kids.

Speaker: Like at all.

Speaker: Like at all.

Speaker: Like kids know how to use VPNs.

Speaker: Kids know how to circumvent.

Speaker: Like it's

Speaker: It's ridiculous.

Speaker: Like, they know the internet better than we do.

Speaker: They were raised with it.

Speaker: You know, I didn't have an iPod when I was like a year old, be like, yeah.

Speaker: Like, I didn't, I had one pretty young, but not that young.

Speaker: Like, and the internet wasn't that great.

Speaker: Like, so user friendly.

Speaker: Like, they already know all that stuff.

Speaker: They probably get their own freaking VPNs.

Speaker: Like, so it's not going to work.

Speaker: It's not going to work and it's going to hurt us.

Speaker: And that's why I'm angry about it.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: It's so funny to me too that, I mean, it's all just,

Speaker: like you said, the red states and those motherfuckers are growing up in the South.

Speaker: They are all the ones that mistakenly think they have some problem with porn and they really don't even, I mean, it's really fucking crazy.

Speaker: Did you hear about, there's another, um, I don't know why I said another, I guess, cause you said you liked true crime, but there's motherfucking, um,

Speaker: southern baptist preacher in the carolinas that just they think he murdered his wife and he's trying to get away with it and say she um which is random sorry that has nothing to do with oh no yeah i just it just has been coming up and i've been like what in the fuck is wrong with these crazy people but yeah it's uh suppression suppression makes people crazy man

Speaker: It does.

Speaker: It really fucking does.

Speaker: I've been meeting people on Bumble for friends.

Speaker: Rough.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: It's just a, I don't have the same views.

Speaker: I've been fighting, fighting with these, I've been the black sheep where I live my whole life.

Speaker: And I tried to tell, I told two people that

Speaker: within like five minutes of texting that I was a sex worker blocked immediately twice.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It does.

Speaker: It does suck.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That does suck.

Speaker: It's yeah.

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: I don't, I don't know.

Speaker: I tell people.

Speaker: Oh, it depends on the person.

Speaker: All my family and close friends are completely aware about it.

Speaker: In general, people I like at least hung out with a couple times.

Speaker: New people I don't tell right away, I have to feel them out first.

Speaker: Because some people are dicks, you know?

Speaker: You'd be surprised, right?

Speaker: And so I've gotten very good at sussing people out,

Speaker: And if I don't want to be friends with them, I'll let them talk shit about sex workers and then let them know I'm a sex worker before I leave, which is really fun because look on their face, they like most of them go just pale.

Speaker: Cause like most people won't actually shit talk a group of people to their face.

Speaker: They'd rather do it like, you know, with their friends, right?

Speaker: It's like, you're a friend.

Speaker: Let's talk smack about those OnlyFans girls.

Speaker: I'm like, oh yes, let's.

Speaker: Oh my God.

Speaker: That's the new way I've got to start.

Speaker: Because the reason I told people up front is because

Speaker: So many people, that's part of their small talk.

Speaker: Like immediately ask me, what do you do for work?

Speaker: Yeah, I usually say I'm a social media manager, you know, something with the internet.

Speaker: That's what I got to, I got to come up with better.

Speaker: I always use my last career.

Speaker: But then it's just fucking, I don't know, people sometimes really want to, I don't know.

Speaker: I'm not like a small-time person anyway, so.

Speaker: No, me either, man.

Speaker: Actually, even before I did this work, when people ask me what I do for a living, I'd always be like, boring, ask a new question.

Speaker: Because like, it was always boring to me.

Speaker: I'm just like, I don't care what you do for a living.

Speaker: What do you do for fun?

Speaker: What do you like?

Speaker: Like outside of meh.

Speaker: That thing you have to do for money.

Speaker: I don't care.

Speaker: I don't remember people ever asking me that until I'm out here.

Speaker: Yeah, like.

Speaker: Talking pussy, like what?

Speaker: Yeah, I'm still like, like.

Speaker: What do you do some boring stuff?

Speaker: Cause my job is really cool.

Speaker: I don't know if I want to tell you cause you're going to feel all bad about your life.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Uh, it's just fucking weird down here.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I, I would understand.

Speaker: I would say because it is weird down there, I'd be even less likely to tell people if I was in your position, I'd be even more closed lipped just cause like, I don't want to deal with people's like stupid back at backward ass ignorant opinions of me, you know, like,

Speaker: I know there's nothing wrong with me, but I know that they believe, and belief is a hard one.

Speaker: They believe something is, right?

Speaker: The worst part, though, is that most of those people that you're talking about that you live around who are religious, they're actually all burning in hell for this because they're not supposed to judge other people, right?

Speaker: It's true.

Speaker: I was a big Bible thumper when I was a kid, so I know all the Christianisms, everything.

Speaker: I used to read the Bible all the time.

Speaker: So it fascinates you.

Speaker: I'm like, do you realize that doing this

Speaker: Judging people and passing laws to save your soul is actually damning yourself.

Speaker: Like, gee, you read your book again.

Speaker: It's sort of like frustrating.

Speaker: Cause like, I'm not like judging people for having a religion and believing in something, but it's like, but if you believe in something, like I should believe the stuff it says, come on, like you're making up weird other stuff.

Speaker: I have never, I've never been able to understand.

Speaker: I really don't.

Speaker: I mean, I do understand.

Speaker: Or I just appreciate that people have different opinions than me.

Speaker: I don't care who you are, a Christian, if those are your beliefs.

Speaker: And I've never understood why people care.

Speaker: But yeah, I was raised in the church too.

Speaker: Survivors.

Speaker: It was so hard.

Speaker: It was.

Speaker: I was always the black sheep because as soon as I got...

Speaker: As soon as I was probably even a preteen, but definitely a teenager, I was asking questions and that is one thing you're not supposed to do.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, I feel like the only reason I stayed in the church as long as I did, like I think I was like almost 16 before I actually exited, exited, like stopped going to everything, was because I had a pastor who was okay with me asking questions.

Speaker: And if he couldn't answer them, he wasn't a dick about it.

Speaker: So like it fascinated me because he actually like, and I've always felt like he was the best pastor I've ever had because he allowed me

Speaker: to ask these weird ass questions and not like shame me for it you know he'd be like no no it's okay like and you know he'd still give me the stupid answers like god works in mysterious ways but he wasn't a jerk about it and it made a big difference you know like like i'm a kid of course i'm gonna ask questions like what no we're supposed to ask questions it doesn't mean i'm blaspheming i don't know like yeah ultimately that is what made me turn my back on it i mean they shamed they shamed me

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: Asking questions.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah.

Speaker: It was just.

Speaker: Yeah, if anyone else I asked those kind of questions, I'd be shamed too, for, yeah, too.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because, yeah.

Speaker: And that sucked.

Speaker: I was like, why?

Speaker: Why are you shaming me for asking questions?

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Aren't we supposed to be serious?

Speaker: I could have been, if they were actually open and loving and like they claimed to be.

Speaker: Like they're supposed to be.

Speaker: I would have made a good Christian voice.

Speaker: Like their religion teaches.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, that for me was actually the big thing that turned me away from the faith.

Speaker: It was because I turned away from the church first before I turned away from having faith in like a deity and all that stuff, right?

Speaker: because the church itself bothered me because it was hypocritical.

Speaker: I'm like, how can we say we're all like, we love God and therefore we love our neighbors and stuff.

Speaker: We're all judging everybody.

Speaker: I tried to bring like a gay friend one time.

Speaker: He's like, you can't bring a gay man in here.

Speaker: And I'm like, why not?

Speaker: Like God loves him too.

Speaker: It's like, well, he's living in sin.

Speaker: It's like, but we're all living in sin.

Speaker: And I thought we were supposed to not judge each other.

Speaker: Those kinds of questions.

Speaker: People would like get all huffy with me.

Speaker: I'm like, but this is actually what the Bible says.

Speaker: Like, why are you arguing with me?

Speaker: I'm letting my friend come like learn about Jesus.

Speaker: And it drove me nuts because I was like, how the heck am I supposed to save people if I'm only supposed to be a bully and a jerk about it?

Speaker: And so that's why I left the church to begin with.

Speaker: It wasn't that I was leaving Christianity.

Speaker: I still believed in this stuff, but like I was disgusted by how the people acted with their faith.

Speaker: I was like, we're supposed to be nice and kind to each other and like to the sinners.

Speaker: And like, you guys are horrible.

Speaker: You say horrible things.

Speaker: You won't let certain people in.

Speaker: You like give these terrible speeches and,

Speaker: And it's just all full of hate.

Speaker: None of it is loving, you know?

Speaker: And that was what pulled me away eventually.

Speaker: I was like, no, can't do it.

Speaker: It's wrong.

Speaker: It's wrong.

Speaker: You're wrong.

Speaker: Even if it's a made up belief, your made up belief is you're doing it wrong, you know?

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: They've been following your made up scriptures.

Speaker: You're not good.

Speaker: You're not good at cosplay.

Speaker: You are not good at cosplay.

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: You're not.

Speaker: Speaking of cosplay.

Speaker: What are you working on right now?

Speaker: Oh, I am dressed as April O'Neil because it's cosplay May, you know, and I'm just going to like make a bunch of videos in this because I have like one video and I did one video and this is my problem with cosplays and I'm trying to get over that this year.

Speaker: I'll get I'll get a cosplay outfit.

Speaker: I'll make like a video, do a photo set and then I'm like, that's good.

Speaker: And then I won't do anything else.

Speaker: And it's ridiculous because I should make a bunch of videos like of different kinds in the cosplay, right?

Speaker: So I'm trying to do that because it's like starting to like piss me off.

Speaker: I'm like, come on, Pep, you got to do this.

Speaker: So that's what I'm doing today.

Speaker: I'm doing an April O'Neil day.

Speaker: I might do like some little mermaid stuff.

Speaker: Cause again, I have a little mermaid outfit that I've only used once.

Speaker: So yeah, that's what I'm doing.

Speaker: I'm trying to use my cosplays for cosplay in May.

Speaker: It's going to be fun.

Speaker: How long have you been in sex work?

Speaker: Oh, since, I think since 2012.

Speaker: So yeah, it's been, it's been a while.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I started in 2012 part-time.

Speaker: I was like, for the first six months, I was like part-timing it.

Speaker: I still had like a day job working in a kitchen and then the, uh, kitchen manager or the person who owned the kitchen, uh, she claimed bankruptcy.

Speaker: It didn't tell any of us until we came to get our paychecks and we all just got like, you know, had to go home penniless and everyone else was screwed, but I wasn't because I already had like a side job doing, uh, sex work.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: And that's why I started doing it full time.

Speaker: Because I was like, this just makes sense.

Speaker: I mean, everyone else is screwed and I'm just going to go do this.

Speaker: I remember something.

Speaker: I always ask questions like that.

Speaker: And I must have asked you when we were first getting to know each other.

Speaker: Chatty chatting.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We were both chatting.

Speaker: Chatty.

Speaker: Chatty Cathy's is what I was trying to say.

Speaker: But I remember something you told me.

Speaker: You said...

Speaker: Something like the only thing that you regret about sex work is that you didn't start even earlier.

Speaker: Oh yeah, totally.

Speaker: Totally.

Speaker: I totally regret not starting even earlier because I could have started earlier, but like I didn't know about it.

Speaker: And when I did learn about it, I wasn't confident with my body at all.

Speaker: Like I did not have body confidence before I started doing sex work.

Speaker: Any confidence I had was only when I was doing like

Speaker: live performances.

Speaker: So I used to do lots of dance and theater and stuff.

Speaker: So on the stage I had confidence because I was a character, right?

Speaker: But as a person, no confidence, just like, you know, like not, not my body at least.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Like I just didn't, I didn't think I had anything going on that was worth looking at.

Speaker: So I didn't get into it to start with at all.

Speaker: And then like a couple of years down the road, I looked back into it and I was like, I should try this out again.

Speaker: You know, like maybe I'm not like a hideous troll beast.

Speaker: Like my body dysmorphia tells me,

Speaker: And it turns out I'm not.

Speaker: So that worked out.

Speaker: But yeah, I totally wish I'd started early.

Speaker: Cause like I've had this body since I was 16, you know, but like, I didn't know.

Speaker: But yeah, it also wasn't as popularized back then either.

Speaker: So that's also why I just like, yeah.

Speaker: I hate that I didn't get into it earlier just because I did.

Speaker: I got into it when I feel like it's gone a lot more mainstream.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I feel like I got into it right before it became mainstream.

Speaker: Maybe two years before.

Speaker: Maybe.

Speaker: I was just starting to start rolling.

Speaker: I wish I got into it sooner.

Speaker: I was like, what a waste!

Speaker: All these years!

Speaker: I could have been making money!

Speaker: I could have been building my brand!

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: But...

Speaker: I was going to say, what are the biggest kinks that you work with?

Speaker: The biggest ones I can't talk about because you're putting it on like MV and they'll probably be mad about it because they don't allow it.

Speaker: But the biggest ones I do on there are like the incest stuff because people love that on MV.

Speaker: Like they are all about that stuff.

Speaker: Like it's crazy.

Speaker: I'll put up like, in my opinion, the mess of

Speaker: shot video on my phone vertically that I just shot randomly.

Speaker: That's like, man, me like doing a jerk off and says instructional.

Speaker: I'm your sister.

Speaker: And it just sells like hotcakes.

Speaker: It's insane.

Speaker: So there's that one.

Speaker: And then, um, I also like doing, uh, those like mind control ones.

Speaker: Cause I'm just, I'm good.

Speaker: I'm good at that.

Speaker: I'm good at like doing the, the switch off brain stuff.

Speaker: You know, people like that.

Speaker: And that's pretty extreme because it's like kind of verging on like a non-con situation, right?

Speaker: Which as we know, because of all the crazy porn bylaws and stuff that'd be going through, it's getting like weirder and weirder for fetish work too.

Speaker: Like lots of weird shame for stuff like that.

Speaker: So.

Speaker: But yeah, I just do a lot.

Speaker: I just do, I'm like all over the map because I like, didn't, I don't know.

Speaker: I don't like niching.

Speaker: And I think we've talked about this before because everyone talks about how niching is really important and it is, it's very important to niche because it does make you more money.

Speaker: It helps you like, like basically it helps you like hone what you're doing.

Speaker: And so that makes it easier for people to find you, right?

Speaker: Because they know that you're doing this thing.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But like for me, because I have like hardcore ADHD,

Speaker: I hate the idea of niching because I like to do everything.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And so I make a point not to, so I kind of like do just about everything.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: It's just that some things like sell better.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And for like envy, for sure.

Speaker: Like that, that incest content is like, just some like, it's insane.

Speaker: It's insane.

Speaker: You know, it's insane.

Speaker: Oh God.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Oh, I had no particular interest or.

Speaker: information background information about incest the taboo role play and uh i feel like my niche found me because yeah yeah yeah that's that's how that works too and i'll get my feelings hurt because i'll put up a masterpiece absolutely homewrecking something and yeah absolutely absolutely i'm like okay incest it is

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: It's crazy.

Speaker: And that's actually like very true.

Speaker: You don't pick your niche.

Speaker: Your niche will pick you.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Like and like so I fight the niches, but I still have niches.

Speaker: Things that like I produce more because people buy them more like that.

Speaker: Incest stuff.

Speaker: Jerk off instructional stuff is super popular for me, which I think is crazy because I don't think I do a good job.

Speaker: Jerk off instructional.

Speaker: I think they're all kind of the same.

Speaker: It's all the same kind of thing.

Speaker: I say the same stuff.

Speaker: I do like a countdown.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: But everyone's like, oh, I love it.

Speaker: it's so good.

Speaker: I'm like, really?

Speaker: Like, I'll buy every one.

Speaker: So like, you never really know really like what's going to sell or what people are going to like.

Speaker: Cause like some of my best sellers, I think are like, man, like I look at them on my, how are you a best seller?

Speaker: How, how, how that dildo angle looks ridiculous.

Speaker: You can't see anything.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: Of course it really is.

Speaker: Like, and I had to learn to like,

Speaker: just put stuff out.

Speaker: Cause I used to be even pickier about like what videos used to put out just based on like my own preference.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And I was like, Oh, this is very sexy.

Speaker: And I stopped doing that because I kept taking a risk and putting up a video that I thought was mad.

Speaker: And then it'd do better than all these videos.

Speaker: I'd put like green screen work into and made like super production out of and taking like two hours to edit.

Speaker: So like, okay, I'm just going to put up everything then.

Speaker: Like I'm just, even if I think it looks mad, I'm just going to put it up.

Speaker: And if I really think it's mad, maybe I'll price it a little lower to make myself feel better.

Speaker: You know, like it's crazy.

Speaker: Yes, I do that too now.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: When you feel that.

Speaker: Yeah, I think that's even helped my self-esteem because all these, what do I want to call them?

Speaker: All these imperfections that I see in my work.

Speaker: Y'all little kinky motherfuckers love it.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: It'll be like my best work.

Speaker: I'll be like, I know I fucked up.

Speaker: just have it in the video and they're like no it's perfect yeah they're like oh wow it's so good like really man that angle looks like shit how i'm like fucking neurotic about my angles and shit like i'm like yes i know me too oh my god yeah i i will spend like two hours trying to get an angle right like i'll have i i get so mad at myself too because sometimes i'll do something i'll think an angle's crap so i'll spend all this time

Speaker: change the angle, change the angle.

Speaker: And I look at the footage and I was like, oh, those angles were all good.

Speaker: What was I thinking?

Speaker: Maybe like a minute of footage and then I'm like, no, no good.

Speaker: And I'm like, no, you should have just kept riding the dick.

Speaker: Just yelling it past me.

Speaker: Like, damn, you passed pep.

Speaker: Why?

Speaker: I love that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That is the thing that I would probably tell new girls is I wasted so much fucking content because it's like, this looks like shit.

Speaker: This looks like shit.

Speaker: And you don't.

Speaker: Your true fans are not going to fucking, like you look like shit no matter what you do.

Speaker: I can't.

Speaker: As long as you're enjoying yourself.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Enjoying yourself is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It can be any angle.

Speaker: And as long as you're having fun with it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: For sure.

Speaker: It's hard to, it's hard to tell what the fans want.

Speaker: You know what I mean?

Speaker: Like you kind of just have to like put a bunch of stuff out there and wait and see.

Speaker: That's like how I did it.

Speaker: I was like, okay, I'm going to do a bunch of niches.

Speaker: I want to throw it out there.

Speaker: I'm gonna see, all right, you know?

Speaker: Cause otherwise like you don't really know.

Speaker: You can try niches.

Speaker: That's like fun to do once you like kind of like have an established income to like build your brand is to like try new niches that are like adjacent to your main niches.

Speaker: That's a really good move too.

Speaker: Especially if you're like getting like kind of bored of like the niche you're in, you can like add adjacent niches.

Speaker: Like, you know, mommy but jerk up instructional or mommy but also with gloves, like stuff like that, right?

Speaker: The weirdest thing.

Speaker: request that you think you've gotten?

Speaker: Oh my God.

Speaker: Oh my God.

Speaker: There's so many here.

Speaker: That's such a hard question of all the years.

Speaker: Uh, I, I got, I got it probably my funniest, but also weirdest quest.

Speaker: I've, I've talked to this in like a long time ago, because it was like the beginning of my career when I used to work on, uh, my free cams was a live show request.

Speaker: This guy took me, uh, for a private and, um, he, he,

Speaker: I couldn't believe him.

Speaker: I couldn't stop laughing.

Speaker: And then I tried to do it for him.

Speaker: He wanted me to, he started out like it seemed like normal.

Speaker: He's like, yeah, I want you to like role play that you're like, you know, I'm the border patrol and you're like trying to get through border patrol.

Speaker: I'm going to strip search you.

Speaker: And I'm like, okay, all right.

Speaker: So kinky role play, right?

Speaker: So I'm all good and he's like, okay, I want you to pretend you have drugs up your ass.

Speaker: I'm like, what?

Speaker: He's like, yeah, just like tell me you're smuggling all this cocaine.

Speaker: And like, this is what he wanted me to do.

Speaker: And I'm like, but I don't.

Speaker: He's like, no, just pretend you do.

Speaker: And he was serious.

Speaker: I thought he was kidding.

Speaker: I was like, you're joking, right?

Speaker: He's like, no.

Speaker: And I'm like, but like, I'm not, he's like, no, just like, you know, show me your butt and tell me like to search it for drugs.

Speaker: Then that's what I did for this guy for like 10 minutes.

Speaker: And then I guess he said it was a great time and then I never saw him again.

Speaker: I feel like this is illegal.

Speaker: I don't know what happened.

Speaker: That's a strange one.

Speaker: That's a good one.

Speaker: It was so weird, especially because it started out so normal for me, where I was like, oh, yeah, I'm a, oh, no, I've gone through security and you have to strip search me.

Speaker: Oh, poor girl.

Speaker: And they're like, I'm smuggling drugs.

Speaker: I love that, though.

Speaker: I do find something new and odd, at least weekly.

Speaker: When I was new though, they turned that shit up and tried it.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: When you're new meet, it's nuts.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, that was when I was pretty new.

Speaker: So like part of me is not sure if this guy actually got off or if he was just sitting there laughing too, spending like, you know, I think he maybe spent like 20 bucks.

Speaker: That was back again when I was really new.

Speaker: So I didn't charge very much for my privates or anything.

Speaker: Cause like, you know, I was new.

Speaker: And like,

Speaker: He didn't even make me like bang a dildo or anything.

Speaker: He just literally made me put my butt to the screen and be like, oh, I got drugs in here.

Speaker: I'm such a bad girl trying to smuggle drugs over the border.

Speaker: Oh my gosh.

Speaker: That's so wild.

Speaker: So yeah, like, so I'm not sure if it was like he was just being a dick for 20 bucks with his boys or if there's some guy out there who actually gets off to girls smuggling drugs through his border.

Speaker: There's some like border security guy and he's just like, yeah, smuggle them drugs girls.

Speaker: Like, whoa, dude.

Speaker: That's exactly how his voice would be.

Speaker: He's not protecting this country.

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Speaker: I applaud you for that because Cam is crazy.

Speaker: They wore me the fuck.

Speaker: I'm sure I cried too many times and now I don't Cam anymore.

Speaker: Y'all won.

Speaker: But it's fucking hard.

Speaker: So bravo for you.

Speaker: But there was this guy that would come in, take me private and want to see me go underwater with my eyes open and blow bubbles.

Speaker: Interesting.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: Interesting.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Huh.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: See, I've seen that fetish before.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But like, I've never had someone ask me to do it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I have seen it.

Speaker: Interesting.

Speaker: But they've never come back before.

Speaker: You know, I've never seen it.

Speaker: It's just the one time, one time thing.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Whenever people do that, I used to take it personally, but now I don't because I used to be like, oh, that means they didn't like it.

Speaker: But now I don't take it personally because like, that's just like kind of how it is.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Like sometimes you just like.

Speaker: want to get a show from a different girl every day, you know?

Speaker: Everybody's going to blow some bubbles for me, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, exactly.

Speaker: Or, you know, have drugs.

Speaker: Smuggle border drugs.

Speaker: Now you!

Speaker: That was one of the best ones I've ever heard.

Speaker: That was good.

Speaker: Yeah, it's a weird one.

Speaker: I talked about that on my Elle interview when Elle Canada interviewed me, like, oh, like my third year of camming, I think.

Speaker: I got a little interview spot.

Speaker: And, yeah, I told them that story.

Speaker: It was like, what?

Speaker: I was like, yep, that was the weirdest thing that's happened to me.

Speaker: They're like, what?

Speaker: Are you serious?

Speaker: Like, yeah.

Speaker: Like, oh, the cam world.

Speaker: Very strange.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Tell my little buddy, you know, my, I don't know if you've seen or not, but my friend that is like a regular co-host on my show, he's my best friend, Pete, but he cams now.

Speaker: because I talked him into it.

Speaker: And his feelings were hurt because he's now got like a 70 or 80% rating because somebody gave him a thumbs down.

Speaker: I mean, he's over it, but.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: That's fucking normal.

Speaker: Like, they'll even do that out of fucking spite sometimes.

Speaker: Oh, yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker: I don't even, like, look at my thumbs up and thumbs down.

Speaker: If I get a thumbs down, I just, like, remind people to give me a thumbs up until it's gone, right?

Speaker: Because it's sort of like a little ledger.

Speaker: And once you get enough thumbs up, it disappears.

Speaker: Um,

Speaker: very rarely do I get one now, but like occasionally, yeah, because people are just dicks.

Speaker: Like sometimes people will like tip for something that's like, like, like I, for example, like I charge like 50 tokens for a tit flash, right?

Speaker: And you need 25 tokens to leave a thumbs up or thumbs down.

Speaker: So some of the times people will tip 25 tokens and be like, show me your tits.

Speaker: And I'm like, well, you got to tip 50 tokens and they'll give me a thumbs down, right?

Speaker: Because to them, I didn't do it like they want to.

Speaker: It's like, yeah, but you didn't read the freaking instructions.

Speaker: So that happens.

Speaker: And like, I hate the thumbs down stuff because like it sucks because it's not like,

Speaker: the people doing it are really held with any accountability except that they spent like 25 tokens, right?

Speaker: Which is like, whatever, it's nothing, right?

Speaker: So yeah, you don't take it personally.

Speaker: You can't.

Speaker: Like, cause it's usually spiteful.

Speaker: It's very rare that someone will give you a thumbs down even if they had a bad show or a bad experience.

Speaker: People just aren't like that.

Speaker: Usually people who do it, we're gonna do it anyway.

Speaker: So just being spiteful.

Speaker: Or they were trying to get something for cheaper and you wouldn't give it to them so they gave you a thumbs down, right?

Speaker: So.

Speaker: And before I left for good, I had this motherfucker that would just make a new account, come in, tip me 25 tokens, and just to give me a thumbs down.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, it's true.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I'm lucky I haven't had someone like that so far.

Speaker: I've had people harass me in different ways, but no one's tried to thumbs down and harass me.

Speaker: But yeah, that's shitty.

Speaker: That's I mean, like, and anyone can do it, right?

Speaker: It seems like ridiculous.

Speaker: This was all when I was new.

Speaker: So you know how this is just the way they took that aggression out on the new girl.

Speaker: Of course.

Speaker: Yeah, of course.

Speaker: There was another one.

Speaker: I probably was even new enough where I didn't understand how you can go in there with the filters and block people from talking.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker: So everybody was talking.

Speaker: and i would block this motherfucker he would he did it for like three hours i have to give him props for dedication but every time i would kick him out he would make a new account that was it had my name in it somehow vera is a bitch or yeah i've had guys like that like that i'm like wow the trolls yeah yeah the trolls yeah yeah

Speaker: In my room, we usually play with the trolls, unless they get too obnoxious.

Speaker: But occasionally we get a troll like that who keeps coming back and always be like, you guys, it's an Olympic troll.

Speaker: He's coming back.

Speaker: He's wasting his day on us.

Speaker: And then we all play with him.

Speaker: Then they get annoyed because they're not like pissing me off.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: I make it part of my show.

Speaker: That's the best way for like that.

Speaker: I've dealt with those kind of trolls.

Speaker: The ones who just won't like screw off once you've already silenced them or kicked them out and they make new accounts.

Speaker: I just make it part of the show.

Speaker: I'm like, oh, you guys are buddies back.

Speaker: I'm like, don't block him.

Speaker: Let him speak his piece.

Speaker: Yeah, that's a really good.

Speaker: Tell me what a whore I am.

Speaker: You're right.

Speaker: I should find Jesus.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, definitely gonna.

Speaker: Oh, then I'm like, all right, I'm gonna silence you now again.

Speaker: You have a great day.

Speaker: I'll see you in a little bit, right?

Speaker: See you in 20.

Speaker: And then he's back in 20, like, fuck you, bitch.

Speaker: It is fun.

Speaker: But that's hard to do, right?

Speaker: Because it's super distracting for your flow, right?

Speaker: And that's just something I've learned, like, over the years.

Speaker: Having to do that, like, when you're new, oh, that would suck.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Sucks, like, bullying.

Speaker: It was.

Speaker: And it felt like that.

Speaker: And

Speaker: You know, not knowing enough about Chatterbait to even know how to, you know, now you can go in there or you could at the time.

Speaker: Block people.

Speaker: Yeah, or make it so they can't say shit unless they've tipped.

Speaker: But like I said, they would get around that.

Speaker: They'd fucking tip to cuss me out.

Speaker: That's fair.

Speaker: I don't mind people with tip to cuss me out.

Speaker: I don't mind people with tip to cuss me out.

Speaker: I don't either.

Speaker: Like, let's go.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: Call me more names with money Oh no it hurts Ah that money it hurts What's wrong with people What the fuck I kind of like psychoanalyze these Crazies It's not just in the I don't know if People are bitter and bitchy that's why People don't like sex workers Because a lot of people think we're lazy as fuck Which is very untrue But people think we are

Speaker: And people think that like, you know, we don't deserve the money we get and we don't deserve like whatever we make doing this, right?

Speaker: So they attack us for it.

Speaker: And then some people don't get laid and they think it's our fault because instead of like dating us, their ex-girlfriends are now OnlyFans models or whatever, right?

Speaker: Stuff like that.

Speaker: People aren't really comfortable with their sexuality and they...

Speaker: don't like people who are, is what I think it really is.

Speaker: I think it's just people who are like bitter and their lives suck and they're bored.

Speaker: Because that's the thing, the internet used to be all about being anonymous and mean to each other.

Speaker: I remember those days.

Speaker: In a way, I miss those days.

Speaker: Because you could just be anonymous and say whatever the hell you wanted to whoever.

Speaker: It was like almost like a place to vent, right?

Speaker: Where in normal society, you can't tell the mailman he's a total dick for

Speaker: throwing your mail in a puddle online, you can, right?

Speaker: And so because of the way the cam model world is, because people can be anonymous, although that's going to change soon, right?

Speaker: But because people can be anonymous and there's no way to like tell who they are, people will say like things they don't mean, things they do mean, they'll say whatever because in their normal life, they can't do that.

Speaker: They can't throw money at it.

Speaker: You can't throw money at a stripper and be like, you're an ugly whore.

Speaker: You get kicked out of the club.

Speaker: But on cam, you could technically do that.

Speaker: You could throw money and that chick because you want the money won't throw you out.

Speaker: And then you can like enjoy degrading a woman.

Speaker: Because some people like that.

Speaker: They enjoy degrading women.

Speaker: It's like a free way to do it or like a way to do it like paid.

Speaker: So...

Speaker: Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker: The internet's crazy.

Speaker: It's a crazy place and cam modeling is definitely not for the faint of heart.

Speaker: I tell people that a lot.

Speaker: I'm like, don't let, you can't take anything personally.

Speaker: People are gonna say the craziest shit to you.

Speaker: Some people are gonna be nice as hell.

Speaker: You're gonna like have people who like love every party.

Speaker: You're like, I love your cellulite.

Speaker: And then you're gonna have other people who are like, oh, your tits are all saggy and gross.

Speaker: You know, try and tear you apart.

Speaker: Be all sideways about it, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, I'm a little too fucking sensitive for that shit.

Speaker: I had to quit it.

Speaker: Yeah, it's hard.

Speaker: It's hard.

Speaker: go on mini-bids like some girls do sometimes, you know?

Speaker: Yeah, I do sometimes.

Speaker: It's quiet, but yeah.

Speaker: What other sites are you on?

Speaker: It's quiet, though.

Speaker: I'm on Chatterbait.

Speaker: I do strip chat, too.

Speaker: I usually split cam between them because I find strip chats pretty quiet, but sometimes it's, like, really good, and I have a couple really good fans who hang out there.

Speaker: And Chatterbait's, like, been my main since, like, I started camming, basically.

Speaker: Like, I did a little bit of MFC beforehand, but I switched to Chatterbait pretty early on and decided, like, that was my home base for camming.

Speaker: And then I'm on a bunch of other sites for like content, you know, like many vids, clifters of sand, blah, blah, blah, all the sites, the OnlyFans, all that stuff.

Speaker: It's funny now because they popularized OnlyFans right now, right?

Speaker: So it's like mainstream, people know about it.

Speaker: So when I tell people at my job now, it actually pisses me off.

Speaker: I have to like, of course, lecture these people whenever I do.

Speaker: people will immediately go, oh, so you're like an OnlyFans girl.

Speaker: And I'm like, no, I'm not just an OnlyFans girl, okay?

Speaker: I'm not just some chick who just randomly got into this work because I was like, I'm going to start an OnlyFans and trick people with my not-quite-nude pictures and pretend I'm a sex worker.

Speaker: No, I'm a real sex worker.

Speaker: I do all this stuff.

Speaker: I'm not just like an OnlyFans girl.

Speaker: But like, it's just funny because that's the only thing they like know of, right?

Speaker: They're just like, oh, an OnlyFans girl.

Speaker: I'm like, that's not the only way to do porn on the internet.

Speaker: Oh my God.

Speaker: Gee, it's like the newest way.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Just the newest iteration, guys.

Speaker: People are so crazy.

Speaker: So tell me about your, you said you have been nominated for another award.

Speaker: Congrats.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which one is that?

Speaker: The Alt-Star Awards nominated me for the Punk Canem of the Year.

Speaker: It's because I listen to punk rock and yell about politics in my live cam a lot.

Speaker: yes i used to i used to try not to but i i've just like submitted to who i am but my favorite thing to come in your room and tip for is a topless political rant yeah yeah people like that yeah that's why i lean into it yeah i used to i used to not lean into it because like i remember when i first started camming we're first started camming stuff um i didn't used to um

Speaker: Because you're not supposed to talk about politics or religion or inflamed topics allegedly as a camel.

Speaker: You want to keep a chill vibe.

Speaker: And that's good advice.

Speaker: But for me, it didn't work out.

Speaker: Because, like, I'm a chatty Cathy.

Speaker: And I want to talk about something.

Speaker: And people will know it.

Speaker: And they'll say something in the chat.

Speaker: And I'll have to, like, start talking about whatever this thing is that they want to talk about.

Speaker: So I stopped trying.

Speaker: Because I was like, it's too hard to try not to talk about the stuff I want to talk about on camel.

Speaker: I'm sorry.

Speaker: I'm sorry everyone's not turned on about me talking about the true crime stuff or talking about politics.

Speaker: But...

Speaker: Here are my tits, you know?

Speaker: Take my tits and let me talk.

Speaker: Sorry.

Speaker: I mean, the people, like you're true fans though.

Speaker: They love that shit.

Speaker: Oh, of course, yeah.

Speaker: And when people like it, that was the thing.

Speaker: Like it worked out for me because everyone likes it.

Speaker: There's not very few people, like sometimes people do come in and they're like, I can't get after you because you talk too much about blah, blah.

Speaker: But for the most part, my people have found me.

Speaker: So it doesn't matter.

Speaker: And that's what I tell those people.

Speaker: I'm like, well, go to another model's room.

Speaker: There's tons of girls.

Speaker: Like so many.

Speaker: So many.

Speaker: So many.

Speaker: Seriously, like how many are online right now?

Speaker: 800?

Speaker: So many.

Speaker: Come on.

Speaker: Get out of here.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I found out how good I was at female domination.

Speaker: Because I was like cussing motherfuckers out and humiliating them.

Speaker: And then I found out that they liked it and that's what they were trying to get.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's actually why I don't, I don't humiliate people like that on live cam because I know people want it for free.

Speaker: I like, I'll silence them.

Speaker: But like, if you want me to make fun of you, like, you've got to pay.

Speaker: They probably have to make you feel like happy kink too, where they want you to be super.

Speaker: I don't know.

Speaker: There's a kink for everything.

Speaker: There is a kink for everything.

Speaker: It's all about being able to find your audience.

Speaker: That's all it is, right?

Speaker: People will do kink stuff and be like, oh, no, I bought it.

Speaker: And it's like, because you didn't find your audience.

Speaker: Got to find your audience.

Speaker: So you said you are pretty vanilla.

Speaker: Do you have any personal kinks?

Speaker: I really fucking don't.

Speaker: I feel stupid in the sex world saying that.

Speaker: Not stupid, but like people don't.

Speaker: I have like some, like my kinks.

Speaker: That's the thing.

Speaker: I feel stupid too, because my kinks are pretty mild.

Speaker: Like I do have some kinks, but like,

Speaker: it's very mild for the most part.

Speaker: I'm just like, I like to have the sex.

Speaker: You know, like sometimes I like to do the dress up sex.

Speaker: Sometimes a little role play in there.

Speaker: Sometimes I like a little bondage, but I like to say bondage light because I don't want to be hog tied, ball gagged and helpless.

Speaker: That to me is like too much.

Speaker: It's too much.

Speaker: I need to at least have an arm free.

Speaker: Come on.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: But like, I like it sometimes.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: So like, I wouldn't say I'm completely vanilla and I'm very open to people's kinks.

Speaker: Like I've h ad a lot of boyfriends who are very kinky and I'm totally fine with like, you know, indulging their kinks and you know, it turns me on to turn them on.

Speaker: But like personally, not so much.

Speaker: Really all I need to get off is like my fingers.

Speaker: So, you know, my fingers and my imagination.

Speaker: God, yeah.

Speaker: And does this imagination run wild or what?

Speaker: But yeah.

Speaker: Same.

Speaker: I would consider myself pretty vanilla.

Speaker: I do.

Speaker: I will also say...

Speaker: some light bondage.

Speaker: I do at all times.

Speaker: It's fine.

Speaker: Yeah, it is.

Speaker: Just to like have no control or tie my man up and ride that dick.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

Speaker: But yeah, like I don't have like a specific, I'd say I have kinks, but I don't have like a fetish.

Speaker: Like I don't have some sort of like specific thing I need to get off, but there's some things that I think are like, you know, sexy, kinky, you know?

Speaker: like bondage, stuff like that.

Speaker: But yeah, I do feel like I'm pretty vanilla.

Speaker: I'm not like, you know, like, oh yeah, man, I love sniffing panties or oh, I'm like super into making fun of dicks.

Speaker: Cause like, I like making fun of dicks, but it's not like, I'm like, oh, this is making me so wet, you know?

Speaker: Like, it's fun.

Speaker: It's empowering.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I like it.

Speaker: People, that's the one thing that I think people are, I don't know if I want to say confused, but I have a lot of people that I guess humiliation is

Speaker: of still like a taboo thing to a lot of people too and yeah it's mind-blowing i have the most people ask me like how do you do that i'm like i don't know they give me consent like it doesn't i don't know it's not yeah yeah i will say i don't put humiliation in my videos unless it's a custom order that just makes me feel like they've given me consent and i don't want to

Speaker: I'm not into humiliating people on my own.

Speaker: Does that make sense?

Speaker: So, like, I guess I'm concerned.

Speaker: That's fair.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But it's fucking fun.

Speaker: It's totally fair.

Speaker: Yeah, totally.

Speaker: It's totally fucking fun.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: In real life, my, I wouldn't say, like, my love language, but me and my closest friends, me and my husband, we are constantly, like, just talking shit to each other.

Speaker: And we think it's fucking hilarious.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Totally.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Fucking great.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Where, what socials do you use?

Speaker: Where can everybody find?

Speaker: I use the Twitter and, yeah, I use TikTok too, but I have a shadow ban right now because of course I do because TikTok hates me.

Speaker: Seriously, I figured it out because like I posted this video with just my face, okay?

Speaker: No titties, nothing.

Speaker: Just like this.

Speaker: lip sync into a song got flagged as inappropriate for the for you page i'm like how what is there's nothing sexy about this video and all this song isn't even sexy i was like yep shadow band so i have to like wait a week before i can like post on there again because like no one's gonna see shit anyways so forget forget about my tiktok for now i guess but you know in future all my socials except my instagram are just my same username which is zero pepper zero oh

Speaker: And then I also have o0pepper00.ca, which has like all my links to everywhere.

Speaker: Nice.

Speaker: Fancy dancy.

Speaker: Got one of the domain names, finally.

Speaker: Oh my God, just so long.

Speaker: Random too, but the TikTok ban, do you understand anything about that?

Speaker: Is that just in the United States?

Speaker: Now, why are we doing that?

Speaker: Oh, right now it's just in the United States.

Speaker: I don't think it's going to go through until probably next year, if it does.

Speaker: But again, it's another one of those like stupid laws being...

Speaker: passed by lawmakers who are like too old to understand the internet.

Speaker: Also, it's really just because they don't like that China, it's very racist, is allowed to collect data on people in the US the way the US does with Instagram and Facebook.

Speaker: That's the thing, because they actually were willing to like throw out their whole thing if TikTok sold themselves to a US company, as in that data now gets to be like the US government's data.

Speaker: That's all it is.

Speaker: It's just because they want the data.

Speaker: So they're doing it because they're mad that China has all this data on their consumers, which they're pretending is like sinister when really it's just about like ads.

Speaker: They just want to make know what kind of ads we want, just like everyone.

Speaker: But the U.S. doesn't like that because that's their wheelhouse.

Speaker: So that's why they passed that law.

Speaker: And it's totally unconstitutional.

Speaker: But like it went through.

Speaker: So I don't know what's going to happen, honestly.

Speaker: Hopefully it doesn't actually go through, actually go through.

Speaker: But like, yeah.

Speaker: I feel like I'm one of those people that are too old to be understanding the internet at this point.

Speaker: So like, I don't get it.

Speaker: And then in some like 60 year old man.

Speaker: I mean, we all know in my opinion that there should be like a cutoff age for being a politician period and it shouldn't be like 80, but even more than that, there should be like a panel and cutoff age for people who are allowed to pass laws that deal with technology because

Speaker: Really, you should understand that technology before you even are allowed to make a law about it.

Speaker: That's what drives me nuts about it.

Speaker: It's unfounded and irritating because they're making these laws that make no sense to anyone who actually understands what's going on and understands the internet.

Speaker: It's like, yeah.

Speaker: So very upsetting.

Speaker: I mean, yeah.

Speaker: There should be a law for that.

Speaker: They should make a fucking law for that.

Speaker: Yeah, that you can't pass laws about technology if you're over the age of like 40.

Speaker: Let's say 40, maybe even 50.

Speaker: Let's say 50.

Speaker: I feel like 50 would be good.

Speaker: Because I know some 50-year-olds who are like pretty tech savvy.

Speaker: They're completely out of the loop.

Speaker: But after that, you're starting to worry about like early onset dementia.

Speaker: And also just the fact that you're like so old that you probably didn't get a computer until like maybe if you're lucky, like you're 30s, right?

Speaker: So-

Speaker: how how how good are you at understanding the nuances of the internet at that point that's how it should be it's annoying that it's not that people who are like probably never use the internet except for maybe like on their phone to play candy crush are making these decisions that are going to affect like everyone yeah it's scary i can't even watch joe biden without being fucking triggered like that motherfucker what are we doing i don't know that's fucking scary i don't know how

Speaker: He has to be like 80s.

Speaker: Yeah, he's getting old.

Speaker: Let's see how old he is.

Speaker: I used to like him because he's a good host.

Speaker: I did too.

Speaker: But he's 80 more.

Speaker: He's leaned into the more controversial shit for views.

Speaker: And yeah, he's getting old.

Speaker: And so his opinion starting to get really dated.

Speaker: But I remember there was a time when I actually really liked Joe Rogan, even though I didn't agree with what he believed in, because I enjoyed that he would have these interesting guests and ask them interesting questions, not, and not just like try and like, you know, paint them as villains or whatever the hell the media was making them out to me, which I found fascinating because it's, it's fun to get a different perspective on someone that's being demonized, even if like the demonization is justified.

Speaker: So there was a time when I actually really liked, liked, uh,

Speaker: Joe Rogan, but now it's like, it's not as good.

Speaker: He's gotten too meh.

Speaker: He's gotten too like crazy opinions.

Speaker: So, Oh, are you talking about Joe Rogan?

Speaker: I was talking about Joe Biden.

Speaker: Oh, Joe Biden.

Speaker: Oh God.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I thought you were talking about Joe Rogan.

Speaker: I thought you were saying like 40.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I was like, no, Biden should be crazy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: He's so old.

Speaker: Biden's so old.

Speaker: But you guys got tricked, cuz you get tricked with your two party system, right?

Speaker: Thank you!

Speaker: Or a slightly similar shit sandwich.

Speaker: It's like, well, is this one less shit?

Speaker: It's like, no, they're just different shit.

Speaker: Yes, thank you.

Speaker: I, the last two elections, I've just voted for the third election.

Speaker: I know that pisses some people off.

Speaker: I'm sorry, but it's just a fucking joke.

Speaker: I openly admit that I no longer vote.

Speaker: I stopped voting after, I think it was, and in Canada, like I obviously, but just even for Canadian, after the whole BS with Harper and then Trudeau got elected.

Speaker: I just stopped voting because I was like, this whole thing's a freaking sham.

Speaker: It's just like the US system, but it's like, seems like it's more open and technically it has more possibility to be more democratic, but barely, right?

Speaker: It's still the same.

Speaker: We still like have these people chosen for us.

Speaker: And I actually like, don't have like a personal hatred for Trudeau, who is our prime minister.

Speaker: A lot of people do, which is ridiculous.

Speaker: I just don't like that it's a nepotism thing because he's the son of an old prime minister we had back in the 80s or the 70s or something.

Speaker: So he was a shoe in for a lot of people because of his name, very much like the Bushes did it in the US, right?

Speaker: And to me, I'm like, how is that okay?

Speaker: Why is it okay to have weird nepotism families who are politicians?

Speaker: What makes you a good politician just because someone you're related to was a politician at one point, right?

Speaker: And it was just about the notoriety and he won because of it.

Speaker: my whole country is screwed.

Speaker: So I stopped caring about voting because I realized it was like pointless because they're all kind of just like scapegoats.

Speaker: Plus he didn't really do anything good for our country, even though like he's supposed to be like our liberal guide.

Speaker: He was like supposed to pass marijuana and he waited till the very end of his term to do it.

Speaker: Jerk.

Speaker: Like on purpose.

Speaker: That was like the big reason people voted for him because of like we all wanted marijuana legalized at that point.

Speaker: And then he waited four years to do it after he got elected.

Speaker: Even though he could have done it like the day after cuz it would have been freaking easy because Canada has been very like chill with marijuana use for quite a while now.

Speaker: Yeah, so yeah, that was the end for me.

Speaker: So and for you, I wouldn't vote at all like in the US.

Speaker: Yeah, even if the fact that you vote for a third party is like, that's good enough because like, it's such a racket.

Speaker: I feel, you know what is crazy though?

Speaker: It's I feel pressured.

Speaker: I have people in my life still that will be very fucking mad.

Speaker: I mean, I've lost friends over politics.

Speaker: Yes, I've lost friends.

Speaker: And I feel like I'm a very open minded, you know, like who?

Speaker: I don't give a fuck who you like.

Speaker: I don't care who you voted for.

Speaker: I'm very bipartisan about politics, even though I acknowledge that I lean pretty left on a lot of things.

Speaker: I'm one of those people who doesn't like the left-right dichotomy because there's a lot of things I agree on with people who are way on the right.

Speaker: Not everything, tons of things I don't agree on, but tons of things I do.

Speaker: And we always focus on the things we don't agree on, which is why we can never get fucking anything done.

Speaker: It drives me insane.

Speaker: So it's just more of that shit, this whole idea.

Speaker: And people being dicks about that, like, oh, you should vote.

Speaker: It's your right and stuff.

Speaker: it should be your right not to vote because if a system is completely broken and you know it, then you voting really is like voting for nothing.

Speaker: You're voting for something you don't believe in.

Speaker: So why would you really, I preferred it back when we used to count the votes that were spoiled.

Speaker: When you used to, that used to be a thing in Canada, at least.

Speaker: So if you went and went to a poll and you didn't think anyone was good, you could spoil your ballot and it got counted.

Speaker: Now it doesn't get counted.

Speaker: Now that now if you spoil about it, it's like you never voted, which I think sucks.

Speaker: It's like, I should be allowed to,

Speaker: in the voting process say that I don't agree with any of these candidates and that could be my vote.

Speaker: It shouldn't be like, well, you have to vote for someone or you don't get to participate.

Speaker: That to me is ridiculous.

Speaker: And that's stupid.

Speaker: I'm sure America, yeah, never.

Speaker: I'm sure America never has that.

Speaker: Yeah, America's like, you got that whole like electoral college and stuff.

Speaker: It's insane.

Speaker: Voting is like, it means nothing in my opinion.

Speaker: Like, especially because the two parties

Speaker: work together very clearly in my opinion to like pretend to be against each other but they make deals constantly together thank you it's just it's like it's doesn't make sense to me rich like exactly but that's the only agenda that's matters that's why all the politicians like why all these celebrities come out of the woodwork whenever election season comes up to talk about how you should vote they don't care if you vote left or right as long as you support the system

Speaker: If you vote, if you don't vote, if no one votes, then it makes the whole system less credible, right?

Speaker: Like already voting, like apparently voting is like really down in the US as well as Canada already.

Speaker: But like there's a certain threshold that they have to meet or else it makes the whole system like not credible.

Speaker: So they want you to vote period because they want to keep the system, the status quo the same.

Speaker: They want to continue to get cut like really good tax write offs and stuff as the wealthy.

Speaker: So they come out of the world and be like, oh, you've got to vote.

Speaker: It's your constitutional right.

Speaker: How could you not vote?

Speaker: Don't you care about your country?

Speaker: It's like, you don't care about your country.

Speaker: You just care about making sure the red or the blue wins, not some other horrible third party that's going to actually do something about you making all this money and not to pay any taxes.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: It's very annoying.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Are we getting so political in this one?

Speaker: Geez.

Speaker: Pepper doing that.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: I knew we fucking would though.

Speaker: Now imagine Pepper doing that.

Speaker: topless and go watch this bitch yep it's gonna be crazy cam is sexy and great uh thank you another fucking random adhd thought but i just want to know your opinion on this what the fuck do you think all that shit with puff daddy was i mean it's still ongoing that's the thing right so like you don't really know

Speaker: Like, I mean, I, I, as much as I hate to say it, I can't be surprised.

Speaker: Um, I, he's probably going to go to prison.

Speaker: Uh, so he's gotta be a fall guy.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: Um, and I'm sure like way more famous rappers are involved.

Speaker: Just like the whole Epstein thing.

Speaker: There's always other people involved that we never get to hear about, but he's definitely going to be the fall guy in my opinion, whatever this weird sex trafficking crap going on in the hip hop world was.

Speaker: And I'm not surprised.

Speaker: That's what happens when you get lots of money.

Speaker: That's the problem with the two-tier justice system that we have in North America.

Speaker: You know, if you're rich enough, you can pay off and not go to jail or not have, like, people publicly know that you do terrible things or that you've done terrible things, or people won't even take you to court over it because they're like, oh, he'll just win.

Speaker: I'm not even going to try.

Speaker: It's insane.

Speaker: And that's why these people keep popping up who are like,

Speaker: turn out to be insane sexual predators who've been doing crazy stuff behind the scenes.

Speaker: It doesn't surprise me anymore.

Speaker: I'm like, well, you have lots of money, money corrupts.

Speaker: You're too rich.

Speaker: You're too rich.

Speaker: You don't care about people anymore.

Speaker: Sick.

Speaker: Do you think, so you do think that he, you don't think he has enough money to get himself out of this?

Speaker: No, I think it's more just he pissed off the wrong people and they made him the fall guy.

Speaker: You know, cause it's not like money was an issue for Epstein or anything, right?

Speaker: What ended up happening is that enough people went, went about it and he must've upset someone or done something that made it too open that there was too much evidence against him.

Speaker: So he became the fall guy.

Speaker: That's kind of how those things work.

Speaker: Like, so yeah, I don't even know if he's like, is the guy doing it, but he's definitely becoming the fall guy for whatever this hell, the hell this like sex trafficking organization is.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: You think it's still, you think it's still the same?

Speaker: thing is Epstein?

Speaker: You think all of them?

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: I think they could be like related, but I don't, I don't think so.

Speaker: I think, I think that like people with power and money do things that normal people wouldn't even dream of doing because they know that they have power and money to do it.

Speaker: So that's what I mean.

Speaker: Like, I'm not surprised.

Speaker: That's what scares me about it.

Speaker: It's like, I don't think, I don't know how many people are actually attracted to children.

Speaker: You think I could say that?

Speaker: We wouldn't know because we are extremely taboo about it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Right?

Speaker: It's actually a side effect of the problem with pedophilia and why it's still so prevalent even though we as a society all agree it's disgusting.

Speaker: The fact that we all agree it's disgusting and therefore are revolted by people who are attracted to children means we can't easily track them.

Speaker: We can't easily identify them because if you were attracted to kids, you wouldn't tell anyone.

Speaker: Because even if you never touched a kid, people would attack you.

Speaker: because that's how people are, right?

Speaker: Because it's so disgusting to most people that you would ever want to do anything to a child, let alone anything sexual to a child that makes people like have a visceral reaction.

Speaker: But the side effect, like I said, of that is that we have like such a lack of research on pedophilia and pedophiles are super underground about it.

Speaker: So we actually have like no idea how many pedophiles there are like at all because of that.

Speaker: Because they like, it's like the problem with like, you know, why sex work, it's better that we like have it on the internet.

Speaker: And like, it's like, we're not dealing with pimps and stuff because like,

Speaker: when there's less access, it makes it more dangerous, right?

Speaker: Like they took away back pages thinking they were gonna save kids with that, but all it did was make it so those kids are now being trafficked on the dark web and cops can't use back pages as a honeypot to catch these people who are trafficking children, right?

Speaker: So it's like, you didn't help anybody.

Speaker: So it sucks, yeah.

Speaker: Because people don't wanna see it.

Speaker: So we're like, oh, we don't see it, so it's not there.

Speaker: It's like, oh, it's there, it's there.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: I guess people would not even report, not report, but tell therapists and shit, would they?

Speaker: Because it's so taboo.

Speaker: No, no, no.

Speaker: It's very likely that if you were a therapist, she wants to help people.

Speaker: And also, even if you were to tell a therapist, because I knew a guy who was friends with a pedophile who was like, one of those people who didn't offend allegedly.

Speaker: And he said, he went to his therapist and told him this, and his therapist was like, well, there's nothing I can do unless you offend.

Speaker: And he went to the police and they were like, well, there's nothing we can do unless you offend.

Speaker: And his therapist didn't want to work with him anymore after that.

Speaker: So he was like, well, now I don't get any therapy.

Speaker: And no one can help me.

Speaker: So I feel like I'm a ticking time bomb.

Speaker: And that's what he was saying.

Speaker: And I was like, oh, as much as that is totally gross to talk about,

Speaker: I kind of feel for you because you don't want to do these things to children, but you can't get any help to not do these things to children because everyone is so revolted by the idea of you wanting to do that.

Speaker: So it's fucked.

Speaker: It's like a weird fucking Pandora's box type of thing.

Speaker: You know, like, how do you, how do you fix that?

Speaker: How many people do you think actually commit incest?

Speaker: I mean, I guess more than we think.

Speaker: I think it's more prevalent than we think too.

Speaker: because it's another thing that's like so taboo that people will do it like in secret.

Speaker: So it's hard to like gauge.

Speaker: Cause like that's what I always think when the people like talk about like, oh, 25% of these people do this, blah, blah.

Speaker: And I'm like, and who consented and told you that?

Speaker: Like, who are you going around asking like, oh, these many people say marijuana should be legalized.

Speaker: Like, yeah, but like how many of those people didn't say that because they didn't want to be in a list being like, this guy says he wants marijuana legalized in a country where it's not legal yet.

Speaker: Like stuff like that, right?

Speaker: It's like most people aren't going to admit

Speaker: to like crimes candidly, it's rare, right?

Speaker: So that means like the statistical information, especially for things that are illegal, is already gonna be tilted, right?

Speaker: Because there's no real way to know.

Speaker: Because people aren't gonna like admit to their crimes.

Speaker: The only information you'll know is people who offended and like when you have a record of that.

Speaker: So you can like say that many people who do this exist, but you don't really know how many people exist who haven't been caught or have never offended, right?

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: Let me get us back on a fucking...

Speaker: right track i knew me and you would do that i knew it already um so it's gonna be the best one yeah exactly it is in the world um what does a normal day look like for you in sex work what is your schedule like especially with adhd like me oh my god i i i have to have a schedule because if i if

Speaker: And if I deviate off my schedule, it's like the whole day is a write-off sometimes.

Speaker: So scheduling is very important for me.

Speaker: I wake up at like 6, 7-ish, depending.

Speaker: Sometimes I sleep until 7.

Speaker: Usually my cat makes me wake up because he's a little brat and my son comes up and he's like, let's have fun and hang out.

Speaker: I get up.

Speaker: I make coffee.

Speaker: And then I do stuff like I upload and post new videos.

Speaker: So like I'll have new videos on many vids.

Speaker: I'll do that kind of stuff in the morning as well as like

Speaker: any promo work.

Speaker: So like re-MVing, uh, any Twitter posts I want to make for the day, maybe I'll schedule them, uh, stuff like that.

Speaker: And then I'll either have a shower or a bath depending on if I need to shave or not.

Speaker: I usually shave every other day because I shave every day.

Speaker: It hurts my flesh or delicate dry skin.

Speaker: Uh, and then I pretty up and I will, uh, usually make content like, so videos and pick sets for like,

Speaker: I don't know, like two, three hours, let's say I try and have, Oh yeah.

Speaker: And I try and eat, um, like some sort of breakfast, lunch type of thing in that area too, before I start shooting.

Speaker: And I try and give myself an hour before I start shooting after I've eaten, because if I want to do anything like no job of your stuff, I don't want to have to worry about like throwing up my food.

Speaker: Cause I like to deep throat.

Speaker: I'm going to take in a day.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: So I always do that.

Speaker: And then I work on that for a couple hours.

Speaker: Um, and, uh,

Speaker: And that's usually like my day.

Speaker: And then I'll finish my day usually doing like video editings of like videos I did like the day before or something and making like the thumbnails and the little profile pics that I can upload the next day in the morning or whatever I'm at.

Speaker: Oh yeah.

Speaker: And I also like update my OnlyFans and stuff too in the morning too.

Speaker: A lot of the like the update stuff just goes on in the morning.

Speaker: And then cam modeling I do in the afternoon, but I don't do it every day.

Speaker: It kind of just depends how I'm feeling.

Speaker: Like if I have a lot of customs to do, I'll skip cam modeling for that day.

Speaker: Like, or if I have something else I'm doing, like today I'm doing this.

Speaker: So I won't be cam modeling today.

Speaker: Probably I'll probably do customs, but I usually pick either or because I find if I do customs and a cam show, one of them ends up lacking because it's a lot of work to do right in one day.

Speaker: So usually if I do do cam shows on days that I was making customs, I'll do them where I'm also editing videos.

Speaker: So it's like way more chill.

Speaker: I'm not really doing a show job.

Speaker: I'm just kind of hanging out and,

Speaker: taking tips maybe I'll have a little wheel with like a prize on it or something something like chill um and that's usually like my day and uh yeah I try I try and be done like working like around like 7 8 p.m so I'm working like you know 12 hours ish and I take breaks in between to eat and stuff so it's like I like work for 12 hours straight anything crazy like that um but sometimes I'll work longer sometimes I'll like go to like 9 or 10 at night because I'm crazy like that especially if like I'm inspired because that's the thing with ADHD right some days like

Speaker: And I have to be kind to myself.

Speaker: Cause some days I'll wake up and I'll like have this big plan to do all this like content and stuff and I won't want to.

Speaker: And I'll just be like, right.

Speaker: So I'll try and be kind to myself on those days.

Speaker: Cause I know that other days I'll wake up and I'll want to do all the content all day and I'll make like 30 videos somehow and be like, and like, like come out of it at like 10 PM and be like, Oh geez, I have to go to bed.

Speaker: So yeah, I try it.

Speaker: So that's the thing.

Speaker: Like I try and keep like my schedule in the morning is like way more strict because I'm half asleep.

Speaker: So it works out.

Speaker: I'm kind of zombieing.

Speaker: So like, I can just kind of like,

Speaker: do stuff, drink my coffee, right?

Speaker: No worries.

Speaker: And then the other half of my day, I'm a little more flexible because like my focus is less good, right?

Speaker: So I'll be more flexible if I get to like noon-ish and I don't feel like making content, then maybe I'll plan to do a cam show instead.

Speaker: Or if I don't feel like camming, I'll do content instead or like update some stuff instead of that.

Speaker: So that's generally how I do my days and that's how I manage to not, you know, go crazy.

Speaker: And then I try and take two days off a week.

Speaker: I usually take the weekends off.

Speaker: I try to anyways.

Speaker: And sometimes on the weekends, if I'm feeling like, like sales are slow, I'll do like some of my promo stuff in the morning, but I'll still take the afternoon off and stuff.

Speaker: So yeah, that's how I do it.

Speaker: Everybody out there that says it's not work.

Speaker: It's work.

Speaker: It's work.

Speaker: You gotta go.

Speaker: And like, you can make it easier.

Speaker: Like I could just like be a cam model and not do content at all.

Speaker: And that would be technically easier because I wouldn't have to like spend hours making content.

Speaker: I just spend those hours on cam.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: But like,

Speaker: it doesn't always work out like that.

Speaker: And I do.

Speaker: And I find that cam modeling can be very up and down with funds, right?

Speaker: Like some days you'll make five bucks.

Speaker: Sometimes you'll make 500 bucks.

Speaker: And like, if that's your only form of revenue, that can get really stressful.

Speaker: You know, you have like three bad days in a row.

Speaker: You're like, Oh my God, I literally made like 20 bucks in the last week.

Speaker: I'm going to die.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And so that, that was a big reason why I started like, you know, doing the Easter eggs or started to like putting my eggs in different baskets and not just live camming and started like being on many vids and stuff.

Speaker: And,

Speaker: making content and doing only fans because I realized that like that that's probably smart because now on those days when I have a really slow cam day it's not the end of the world I'm not like oh god I'm gonna starve I'm like oh it's fine I made sales elsewhere it's not a big deal that I didn't like make my goals on cam today and it makes the room less stressed out you know I'm not like freaking out and be like you guys I'm so poor you know so it works out works out

Speaker: Yes, I work hard.

Speaker: And I have ADHD and stuff and I was raised to be really productive.

Speaker: So like, that's the other thing with me.

Speaker: I like being productive.

Speaker: So I like having a little schedule and keeping on it.

Speaker: But if people interrupt me, it wrecks my whole day.

Speaker: Like sometimes my friends will like come over unannounced and they'll be like, oh, let's go hang out.

Speaker: Cause they like, you know, forget that self-employed doesn't mean like I can just do whatever.

Speaker: So, but it's nice that, yeah, it's nice that you're a con to yourself about it.

Speaker: And you know, you do well enough that some days that can pop up or,

Speaker: Exactly.

Speaker: And that's part of the nice flexibility about being self-employed because I can do it.

Speaker: But of course my friends try and exploit that, you know, like stop.

Speaker: Of course.

Speaker: Like we're just coming over.

Speaker: I'm like, you can't just come over.

Speaker: I'm banging a dildo on the couch.

Speaker: Seriously.

Speaker: You don't want to see this.

Speaker: It's like a role play with Shrek.

Speaker: It is weird.

Speaker: Do not come over.

Speaker: Get out of me swamp, you know?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: What kind of stuff you've been on your OnlyFans?

Speaker: I put like more personalized stuff.

Speaker: So like I'll put like nudes there every day.

Speaker: I also do discounts on all my videos that are on many vids.

Speaker: So like whatever price it is on many vids, it's like depending on like if you were in Renew Club or not, it's like 30 to 50% off that price in my pay-per-view.

Speaker: So I do discounts like that.

Speaker: Um, and I have like a whole tip menu for like, um, um, what are those called?

Speaker: The honest cock rates and sexting and stuff, which is also cheaper if you're, um, in my only fans.

Speaker: Uh, and, uh, I post a lot of like, kind of like beautiful agony masturbation stuff.

Speaker: Cause he would really like that there for some reason, I guess, cause it's more personal.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: And that's kind of what lots of people go for.

Speaker: With OnlyFans, they want that more like girlfriend experience thing.

Speaker: So I find that goes really well.

Speaker: Is the personal acne, that's where you don't even, you just show your face like while you're coming?

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, sometimes your tits too, you know, like topless beautiful agony.

Speaker: I'm gonna have to try one of those.

Speaker: I'm never gonna.

Speaker: They're very popular.

Speaker: Like I always think they're not gonna be popular because they're really easy and silly, right?

Speaker: But like the hardest part is getting the angle, right?

Speaker: But yeah, they sell really good.

Speaker: And it's because like, you know, you try and keep eye contact the whole time.

Speaker: You try to come stare right in your eyes, you know, people like that.

Speaker: So yeah.

Speaker: They'll sell really good.

Speaker: Um, and, uh, Oh, I do a lot of goals for like campaign goals for a cosplay there.

Speaker: Like I just recently did a campaign goal for, um, fallout cosplay.

Speaker: Have you seen the new series?

Speaker: I've been watching it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I watched it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Do exactly.

Speaker: I mean, I was like, I need to cosplay this stuff.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So I got a Lucy bodysuit.

Speaker: I'm waiting for it.

Speaker: Like the cave door thing.

Speaker: And I already got a wig.

Speaker: Cause she like has like the long Brown hair.

Speaker: The only thing I couldn't get was like one of those, um,

Speaker: pit boys, like the little like wrist.

Speaker: And I looked up if I could make it myself.

Speaker: Cause I was like, maybe I could make it myself.

Speaker: Cause I found one model of it, but it was like, like 200 bucks.

Speaker: And I was like, I cannot justify buying a prop that's 200 bucks.

Speaker: So like, maybe I can make myself way too hard.

Speaker: It's like, Oh, you need corrugated this and you need to get this, you need this special glue.

Speaker: And I'm like, Nope, it's too hard.

Speaker: Nevermind.

Speaker: So I'm not going to use it, but yeah, but yeah, I got, I got that.

Speaker: And it's,

Speaker: nice anyone who got in that campaign basically gets everything i make in that cosplay i'm gonna make like 10 videos yeah yeah because basically it was like there was like tears it was like 20 you could tip like 25 50 or i think 100 maybe tip 100 which is the highest you get all the content and all the photo sets right and uh yeah people snap that up real quick so i was like yeah i'm gonna do freaking lucy content soon it'd be awesome i'm just waiting for the time of the mail i bet more people do that because

Speaker: I've already seen someone do it on like MV.

Speaker: I was like, damn you.

Speaker: But I'm like, it's not your cosplay, Pep.

Speaker: It's okay.

Speaker: I was like, I want it to be first.

Speaker: Well, this has been fun as fuck.

Speaker: Thank you.

Speaker: It's been so fun.

Speaker: Do it again sometime.

Speaker: We should.

Speaker: Come back any fucking time.

Speaker: Heck yeah, I will.

Speaker: You want to tell the people, Pepper.

Speaker: Tell them something.

Speaker: Be nice to your content providers and sex workers.

Speaker: We work hard and we're nice people.

Speaker: And we're real.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We're cool.

Speaker: We're real cool.

Speaker: Yeah, and watch Vera's podcast, all of her episodes, all of them.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Put it on the background while you're making dinner or whatever.

Speaker: It's going to be fun.

Speaker: Yeah, it is.

Speaker: And we'll have Pep on here again soon.

Speaker: And I'll have all of her information in the description.

Speaker: So go fucking follow her, fuckers.

Speaker: Woo!

Speaker: Thank you, Vera.

Speaker: You're welcome.

Speaker: Yay!

Speaker: So fun.

Speaker: Bye.

Speaker: Bye!