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He Must Cut A Lot Of Kale
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This week Chris and Garrett are chatting AEW's Forbidden Door 2, kale cuts, Tremont's 700 lighttubes match, Garrett laugh's way too hard at Sting and more.
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Unexpected Injuries and Humor in Wrestling
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, fuck. Did you just get with a light tube, Garrett?
00:00:43
Speaker
I don't see anyone. Oh, my God. I guess this is the intro. Fuck me. So my thumb and like wrist is still sprained and I don't have my like the brace wrist thing on right now. And I got too animated and caught my thumb with my other hand as I was going up and bend it backwards towards my wrist. And it hurts so bad.
00:01:13
Speaker
Fuck. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Predetermine to Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm Chris Miggs with with me as as always crying is is Garrett calendar. Oh, folks, I'm so sorry that that's how this started this week. It makes me especially with what I just watched how weak that makes me seem in comparison.
00:01:41
Speaker
So, what happened, Garret? I mean, I watched men get like dropped on their heads. I watched a man wrestle with a broken arm this weekend. What did you just witness? I finally got around to watching Matt Tremont's 700 light tube match with Neil Diamond Cutter. Why 700?
00:02:00
Speaker
So as far as I could tell, the show's called Seven Years. I believe it was the seven year anniversary of H2O, his wrestling school. Shouldn't that be a seven light tube match then? You would think, but death match guys, not so good at numbers, not. Because if we're going days, if we're going days, it's like a three, it's like a 2100 light tube match. Actually more than that probably, but I'm not going to do the math in my head right now.
00:02:30
Speaker
I feel like if you go to a store, like a Home Depot, wherever, I mean, I don't know, do you get fluorescent light tubes at like an office max? Where do you even get those? They're going to question things. It's going to be like, if you're 18 and you're buying too much glue at the store, they're going to be like, we have some questions. Are you huffing this?
00:02:53
Speaker
Yes. Matt Fremont walks in. He's like, I'll take 700 light tubes. And they're like, what do you need those for? And he's like, I'm a contractor. And they look at him and they're like, no, I'm the assistant to a contractor. I was recently released from jail and I'm. What were you released from jail from?
00:03:21
Speaker
This poor kid goes back to his manager and is like, I don't know. There's a guy out front with like, what does he look like? He's large. Like he's a big man and he was wearing a hat, but he took it off and he kind of had a unicorn horn. He might be mythical. I don't know.
00:03:41
Speaker
There appears to be a map of South Jersey on his forehead. Just carved in. I don't know what that means we should do here. Do we just sell them the light tubes? And they're like, look buddy, this is an Office Max. We're going down. Just sell the man the light tubes. We could use this.
00:04:02
Speaker
You're not getting paid this week if we don't sell these 700 light tubes. So you know what, man? Just go for it. And by the time any legal actions come back on this, we're going to be closed. It's going to be fine. It actually turns out Office Max ends up in a Breaking Bad situation, where they're like, actually, you know what sells better than paper and paper clips? Meth. There's this guy named Jimmy Lloyd.
00:04:33
Speaker
He's there Jesse Pinkman actually. Jimmy Lloyd ends up getting incredibly wealthy being one of the chefs at Office Max. It'd be the greatest drug front of all time.
00:04:47
Speaker
You know, they did wrap up Better Call Saul last year. I'm just actually just finishing up the final season. And when I haven't been watching wrestling or dead shows, I've been watching Better Call Saul this week. Well, that, or I think you should leave. But anyway, last season of Better Call Saul is real good, but they need a new show. And so maybe they take this out of Albuquerque, same guys. They're like, we're going to make the Jimmy Lloyd show now. And it's going to be about this scenario. It's an office max. It's New Jersey.
00:05:15
Speaker
It's like beautiful and tasteful. Cause it's, it's the breaking bad slash better call Saul guys, right? So they're going to do this. Vince Gilligan's writing it. Yeah, it's going to be beautiful. Like the lighting, the lighting on Jimmy Lloyd space, like the way, the way that the glow of the office max shines off of Matt Tremont's head. They're going to spend like three hours like getting that shot just right.
00:05:38
Speaker
They really do seem like season one Breaking Bad, Jesse Pinkman friends. Everyone in GCW does. But either way, this 700 light tube match. I mean, did you hear anything that happened in this match? Like, did you hear the aftermath of this match? I did not. I'm a, I'm a, I heard it was bad. Like in bad as in like, I heard, I heard like there was a lot of light tubes.
00:06:09
Speaker
I mean, before the match started, they cover, I mean, the ring is a hundred percent surrounded. Like there's not really space in between the ropes. It's just like light tubes set up and they're even hanging from barbed wire above the ring as well. They cover the ring in light tubes and smash them up so that it's covered in broken glass before they even start wrestling. This seems like a bad idea. It's such a bad idea. Like it's such a,
00:06:37
Speaker
A deathmatch celebration is awful. We should never allow these men to have parties, is what I've learned from this. They don't know how to do it. They did it wrong. Get a fucking sheet cake and just have a regular good match. Let me a party. Poor Matt Tremont's wife, he throws her a surprise birthday party and she's like, Matt, I wanted...
00:07:05
Speaker
I wanted steak, and I didn't want you to bleed in it this time. Like the guests are complaining that it's too rare, and they're like, oh no, it's cooked. It's just, that's his. Yeah, yeah, it's covered in blood. I actually, that one's, I cut my finger while I was cooking, but I had this weird issue, because I was making something that was a red sauce. So I was like, it's uncooked.
00:07:35
Speaker
I finished, I finished making it. I'm like, sorry, sweetheart, unclear if I bled in this or not. Was it just for your wife or was it for other guests as well? It was, it was just for me and my wife. And, uh, I went to, uh, like, we wouldn't stop bleeding. So I went to the emergency room and ended up being like one stitch, but it was like, it was like, we should sit. Okay. And, uh, the, uh,
00:08:01
Speaker
I woke up and was like, what are you in here for? And he's like, it's chopping kale. And the woman's like, you know, honestly, that's like the third one we've had this week. And so now, from since then, I've never chopped kale. I always just tear it. Don't chop kale, everyone. You can cut yourself. Just tear it. You don't need to chop it. You don't need to chop it. It tears real easy.
00:08:25
Speaker
As the lady's putting in your single stitch, you're just like, I fed some of the blood to my wife. So we're tough, Garret. We're tough boys. But you're saying Matt Tremont and Neil Diamond Cutter may have been a little bit tougher than us. They were covered in so many cuts. Like it was so many cuts. Like you think in a regular death match, like people are covered in a lot of cuts.
00:08:53
Speaker
They were so cut up. Like this isn't fun. Like it's this is a point when as a fan you're watching and you're like, this is sadistic. This is too much. Once again, this isn't a party. There's a point where it's barely wrestling because they're just like a pile of I mean, I don't think this is an exaggeration. A hundred light tubes where they're just on their knees one after another. A hundred tubes in a row.
00:09:24
Speaker
And they're going through so much shit. And all I had heard about this match is that Tremont went to the hospital. And this was on the 15th. And I know you don't say that Tremont went to the hospital after a match. The dudes probably got like a fast pass at the local hospital. They're like, ah, it's Tremont again. Your room, sir.
00:09:46
Speaker
There's like a met Fremont, like a special like back room that's just reserved. It's the Zandig. It's the Zandig Memorial Room. It's actually the whole wing is dedicated them. It was built by all the insurance money that has been used over the years. It's the combat zone wrestling hospital wing. Do you think so you're in the hospital with like.
00:10:17
Speaker
You're in there holding your finger, like in the emergency room waiting. Cause it's by, you know, and you're like, I've been in here 30 minutes, bleeding out. And then Bat Trima comes in and is basically existing as a human cut. Just like one. I'm definitely letting him go ahead of me. I'm like, yeah, you know what? I can wait a few more minutes. I'm not going to be okay. That guy seems like he needs more help. He must've chopped a lot of kale.
00:10:51
Speaker
I don't know how big a kale salad that guy was making, but I hope everyone enjoyed it. It's like kale Caesar for three fucking hundred or something. It's a fucking vegan caterer.
00:11:13
Speaker
So it turns out, um, I mean, it sounds like he was there a while, like he had to cancel his upcoming dates and everything. And I guess he got up, you could tell at the end of the match, he said something to Neil Diamond cutter after. And, uh, like after he got tree want loses, he gets pinned. And after he whispers something and Neil Diamond cutters ear.
00:11:36
Speaker
Neil bends down and unlaces his boot. And I was like, oh, is this a retirement match? And he's, no, that was him checking because he was cut so severely around the ankle. He was whispering like, I think my ankle's going to fall off. Can you check? And he looks, and then the ref comes down and he whispers something to him too. The ref looks and immediately is motioning to people like, but what he's motioning isn't call the hospital.
00:12:04
Speaker
Get a car ready. He's saying, I need duct tape.
00:12:11
Speaker
They cover him in like his ankle in just like washcloth. They look clean. They were all very white to start and they duct tape. So we don't get to see the injury. I hear it was like incredibly gnat, like a huge piece of glass in there. He still cuts a promo after this. And they said, I found out by the time he got to the hospital, he had lost so much blood. He almost needed a blood transfusion.
00:12:40
Speaker
Jesus. Don't cut the promo. Thanks everyone for coming. Well, he's just like... Couldn't be allowed before we have another one of these. He goes, there's a lot of people that said, we couldn't fit two rings in this building. We couldn't do this. We couldn't do a match with 700 light tubes. I'm like, I bet nobody questioned your ability to put 700 light tubes in this warehouse.
00:13:08
Speaker
What they did, what they questioned was, should he? Someone was definitely- He misunderstood what they were questioning. No, no, we believe you can, Matt. We're just not sure you should. And we're feeling really vindicated right now. You really shouldn't have done this. I'm glad you, you know, do your thing, buddy, but jeez. It was honestly like, it was too gnarly, like,
00:13:35
Speaker
They were just, I don't know, like their backs were just hamburger by the end of it. And then at the end, what did he ask? Um, cause they were playing Neil Diamond cutter. So he always comes out the sweet Caroline. Oh, they, uh, he's like, get on YouTube and type in.
00:13:51
Speaker
Walking on broken glass. So then walking on broken glass by Annie Lennox starts playing and the two lay back and make snow angels in the glass, which I look, um, Tremont has his arms above the mat.
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00:14:06
Speaker
So he's doing his best to not touch it. Neil Diamond Cutter is, doesn't see that Tremont's like, you know, gimmicking it. Like he isn't shoot making a snow angel. Neil Diamond Cutter is just like fucking hamburger in his body further.
00:14:20
Speaker
Well, but again, at this point, Neil Diamond Cutter, at least based on what you're describing is not near death. So he's like, well, there's a birthday party for a building. And I got to tell you, fucking love me some Annie Lennox. So yeah, I watched that today and it was like, it was too long. Like they wrestled too long. Like.
00:14:47
Speaker
It takes a while to get through 700 tubes. And I mean, there were still a few hanging around. I think the presence of 700 was enough. They didn't match. Like, I just don't understand. Like, did they go longer than like Brian and Okada? So Brian and Okada went 27 minutes and 47 seconds. I have both up right now. How long do you think Neil Diamond Cutter and Matt Tremont went? 32, 48.
00:15:17
Speaker
2933, still longer than Brian. That's fucking, that is something. I mean, honestly, like when you're sitting there smashing light tubes one after another for a hundred, that's the deathmatch equivalent of a rest hold. So, you know, they did get a breather in there. It's interesting, interesting weekend for people wrestling hurt and for 80s music in professional wrestling.
00:15:48
Speaker
Because this was I will say I think this was from last week. OK, so it's been a week. So this is still not wrong, though. I'm trying to segue us here, Gary, because because the other match we were talking about. Final countdown. It's the final countdown. We get that back. That's great. That might be.
00:16:11
Speaker
that might be a better song than walking on broken glass, but it's not better than other Eurythmics songs, I think. I think that's my... Sounds about right, yeah. I think you're probably right there. Also, Brian Daniels and I wrestled for like five minutes with a broken arm, apparently.
00:16:30
Speaker
Yeah, his wife said 10, but she might've been exaggerating. I think she was exaggerating. I think it was pretty, because I was actually, so we were talking about forbidden door guys, it's not surprising, but I watched the show late and I had gotten spoiled that,
00:16:47
Speaker
It was basically on the finish, right? And so I'm watching the match. I knew Brian had heard something about Brian hurting his arm and I'm watching the match looking for it. And I'm like, I'm not really seeing here. It was pretty close to the end. Like he gets pretty close. It was on the diving elbow, which I think was again, probably five minutes from the finish of maybe not maybe six, six, seven.
00:17:06
Speaker
I do remember it that towards the end of it, him seeming like he was selling his arm as the match was continuing. It felt like he had a dead arm a little bit. But I mean, obviously watching it live, no clue that he's actually hurt at this moment. I thought it was just...
00:17:25
Speaker
I thought it was a cell. I thought that was part of the show. Does it surprise anybody that he wrestled injured? This is the same guy who popped his eye out and back into his head and finished a match in ROH. I mean, there's an article about the Shawn Michaels Wrestling Academy where he brags about having only been wrestling for three months and already having had three concussions. So not a guy.
00:17:51
Speaker
It's interesting, like Daniel Bryan has the, I keep saying Daniel Bryan, American Dragon. Dragon has the mentality of a deathmatch wrestler, just like not the interest in glass. Thank God for Bree. Like if he had that interest, it honestly would top Jon Moxley's love of it.
00:18:18
Speaker
Yeah, if he didn't have kids, I feel like the kids do hold him back a little bit. Not Mox, apparently. Mox doesn't care. Well, it's still too new. It's still fresh. When the kid gets a little older, maybe he doesn't view the kid yet as a real person.
Wrestling Trivia and Influences
00:18:40
Speaker
That's an interesting point. At some point, Mox's daughter might say to him, Daddy, why'd you do that?
00:18:48
Speaker
And maybe that's what's really gonna hit Mox, cause it's like, it is something different like when your kids can start like talking to you about you. Like dad likes to do that. Right now it's just like having a conversation with Minoru Suzuki. He has no idea what's going on. And then occasionally, occasionally Garrett, your son laughs and then he just, he just chuckles and then hits you in the face with a forearm.
00:19:17
Speaker
It's just like a combo with Suzuki. I mean, OK, so for Forbidden Door, do we want to go back to the beginning and work our way through this show? Or I mean, do you want to keep talking about Okada here? I let's work our way through. This is a good show. I don't want to miss anything. This is a real I would say this was. The best top to bottom show.
00:19:45
Speaker
since, I mean, in a while, maybe all out 2021. I'm not one. That was the first Punk and Darby, Young Bucks and Lucha Brothers.
00:20:05
Speaker
It ended with Christian and Kenny Kenny and then all the debuts. Yeah. And it was just kind of like straight, like just beat it to my veins for like four hours straight. Like no, no breaks. And I felt like that's what this kind of page. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, again, I'm not saying anything was like a best ever. And I'm not even saying the show was like the best ever or anything. It was just really. It was just like this was like great for like four hours straight.
00:20:36
Speaker
It was the opposite of the last show. It wasn't the last one. It was the first one, like everybody was a little disappointed where it really didn't get going until halfway through. And it just felt like a lot of like kind of TV filler matches, like an old WCW pay-per-view, honestly, from what I remember at the time. And this did get us back into like what you expect out of an AEW pay-per-view. You want bangers.
00:21:04
Speaker
I also thought it was interesting. Last year's forbidden door, I felt like was structured like a new Japan card where you're just starting like tag match, tag match, tag match, tag match, middle, middle of the, um,
00:21:18
Speaker
middle of it, middle, middle title matches, main events, main events, but the main events being the title matches. Whereas here they were like, fuck it. Like we've got the two dream matches. And even though they're not for the big titles, they're clearly the main events. And we're going to structure this. Like we're not starting with tag matches. They went right in with MJF and Tanahashi, which I thought was really good. I mean, Tanahashi is looking.
00:21:41
Speaker
real slow at this point. Um, but I actually thought that, that ended up matching it up working really, really well. Just the dynamic between the two of them. Tana Hashi's like so good as like a baby face, like selling, getting sympathy MJF such a prick. Like it was a really nice, like it was kind of one of those things where I don't know if there's like
00:22:03
Speaker
Like, I don't even know if I'd want to see like prime Ta-Nehisi against MJF in the sense that I actually don't know if that would have worked nearly as well in the sense that it's like old man Ta-Nehisi like struggling through against like young. Douchebag, but like now already a main event or kind of MJF was kind of a nice like the meeting, the timing of the two of the meeting, I thought was pretty nice that regard. Yeah, I know I yeah, I think prime Ta-Nehisi maybe a little too good.
00:22:34
Speaker
to go up against him. I watched the show with a little bit like, you know, when like the first like Ta-Nehisi Jay White matches? Yeah, it was like figuring it out. And it's like, it's like that's like MJF and Ta-Nehisi would have been like, like prime Ta-Nehisi, which would have been like, no, like you're holding Ta-Nehisi back. But now it's not. MJF is definitely not holding Ta-Nehisi back in 2023, you know.
00:22:59
Speaker
No, it was a good dynamic, like this version of, you're right. The two of them where they're at in their careers, it's a good version of both of them to clash. And I watched the show with my wife, Hardway Heater and his wife, Kelly, and Heater said he felt like this is,
00:23:18
Speaker
Which is weird because he knows MJF from the Indies. Like as he was just starting like MJF was at a lot of the shows he was working. So it's weird to see him as champion for him. You know, it's like a guy he just knew from backstage. And he said he felt like this was the closest thing we're going to get to like MJF versus John Cena is basically getting him against Japan's John Cena. No, that's a good point. I mean,
00:23:45
Speaker
And MJ at first, that could happen, though, at some point. I'd be really good. But if not, yeah, we got him against Japanese John Cena. Except everyone just kind of always loves Tana. No one ever boos Tana.
00:24:00
Speaker
It's hard to at this point, he's so lovable. He's one of five wrestlers my wife follows on Instagram. And I did wonder this, because when Brian comes out at the end, his hair is in braids. And Tana, it used to be a thing where if a wrestler came out with braids in their hair, Tana did that backstage. And I was wondering.
00:24:26
Speaker
That's what I'm wondering. They've never worked together, right? Like, I bet he got excited to be around Ta-Nehisi and got his hair braided before the show. They might've met. Danielson did some New Japan in like 2002, 2003. Okay. I think it's possible they would have like interacted back then. That was a crazy fact that either Excalibur or Kevin Kelly pulled out during the main event that like on Okada's debut show, Brian was working there in Mexico.
00:24:57
Speaker
Um, which is crazy. Um, like a white, but yeah, I, it's possible. Tana and Danielson would have crossed paths briefly in like very briefly. I mean, we're talking like 20 years ago, maybe they, maybe they always talked about that. And then now with Danielson's hair, the way it is, Tana was like.
00:25:18
Speaker
I got you bud. I got you bud. I mean at this point they're two living legends you know they have a lot to talk about as much as they can. I don't know I just that was a secret hope of mine is that the two of them hung out before and
00:25:35
Speaker
I'm imagining that Brie is hanging backstage, because it's like a big show, and she wants to see her husband do his thing, and she's like, oh shoot, could you do my hair, Tana Hashi? He's like, no, just for the boys. Oh my god, honestly, that would be the best birthday present I could get my wife. If I would be able to get Tana to come over and braid her hair, she would lose her fucking mind.
00:26:05
Speaker
Is there like a. A Japanese version of. Why can't I think of it, the website cameo cameo, the Japanese version of cameo, and you're like Hiroshi Tanahashi, please instruct on how you do hair braiding and she just give that video to your wife for her birthday. I was like, she's not like huge into your matches. She's just huge into your overall vibe.
00:26:32
Speaker
CM Punk versus Kojima. Mr. Bread. This was apparently Kojima elbowed CM Punk in the dick at some point. Everything that didn't notice in the match after. Have you seen the video of it happening? No, I haven't. I haven't gone back and looked at that. Oh, he got him. He got him good. And Punk is like grabbing his nuts. Like it got it. It wasn't in a way that it like didn't affect CM Punk when you watch it back.
00:27:02
Speaker
Kojima hits him right in the nuts and like punk immediately goes to sell on the nuts. But in a way that it's not like over the top selling, it's real life selling. It's like my nuts hurt. And this is what my face is when someone punches me in the nuts. I was like, apparently CM Punk did like on the like the lariat thing, did the like scream screamed it like like Kojima like homicide would back in the day.
00:27:29
Speaker
as like a call out to homicide because homicide would always like scream like Kojima and throw like a lariat and a diamond cutter because the Amazon was like a pretty huge Kojima event. This was the one match on the card.
00:27:44
Speaker
that going in other than Adam Cole versus Tom Lawler that did end up getting moved, taken off anyway, that I was like, this is just a TV match. Like I get why they want punk on the show. But when you're looking at like this 14 match card or whatever it was at the time, it just it felt like too much. It just felt like there was too much shit on this show, which ended up not hurting it in the long run. But
00:28:12
Speaker
Yeah, I thought this was good and I thought it was like a nice, again, it was like a nice sort of like building up. I thought from a like work perspective, it was a nice sort of like build up the show. I'm not, I don't know, I'm still figuring out where they're going with the punk thing. Obviously that he was booed in Toronto. I wonder, they may just be sort of feeling out like what the crowd's response to him is before they make a decision. But kind of curious where they're going.
00:28:42
Speaker
with that. I'm curious how I feel. I'm going to get to see collision like a month, maybe. Am I going to boo or am I going to cheer? What are we going to do with it all out? Which I am a little sad because they're definitely like, I don't know. It's a week after all in. There's no way that everyone from the week before is on the next pay-per-view a week later. And I feel like we're going to be getting closer to a
00:29:05
Speaker
I mean, just complete speculation. I feel like all out this year is going to be more of a collision pay-per-view since it's a punk show or, you know, since it's in Chicago. Maybe. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. I'm just kidding. If I do start booing punk, like I may have to explain to my kid, like it's like, Daddy, why don't you like him? Well,
00:29:27
Speaker
Daddy used to really like him. In fact, he was sort of a representation of what Daddy loved about wrestling. But then this guy went away for a long time, and Daddy fell in love with these other wrestlers. And those other wrestlers, remember the book that came in? Yeah, yeah, the young bucks. Yeah, of course, the young bucks. Yeah, they became very, very important to Daddy. And then this guy came back, and Daddy was very excited, because it was all these wrestlers together. And then this guy punched Daddy's favorites.
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00:29:56
Speaker
And his friend bit the best of all time. Like, his friend bit the greatest in the world. He bit him, Dad? Yeah. Yeah, you know when your friend goes a little feral and there's some biting? It was like that. But we're in preschool, I know. Well, he got fired, right, Dad? Well, for a couple months, but he got his job back in the long run. Now he works from home.
00:30:22
Speaker
Like you dad, did you bite someone? No, no, it's complicated. It's very confusing, I'll explain when you're older. So up next we have the fatal four way, which I think, I was gonna say shortest match on the card, but it's third shortest. Very fun, like great, great open with the kicking. ZSJ, Orange Cassidy, Daniel Garcia, and Shabbatah.
00:30:52
Speaker
I thought it was, I thought that was phenomenal. I was like, this is so fun. Nonstop action. Loved. Facts really like this. We should mention, by the way, we're like 32 minutes in. Facts is doing okay, guys. He watched the whole show. He's just, he was just a little tired tonight and we needed to record. That's all. Just wise facts out here. And if you didn't listen last week, you should. There's a lot of explaining.
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, a lot of jokes about penises. So many. It is 40 minutes of penis hole talk, but don't let that overshadow what the episode is actually about. You shouldn't check that out. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I, I love this match. I thought it was just the overall pacing of it and just the way everyone interacted. Daniel Garcia just constantly doing that stupid dance and then people just hitting him for it.
00:31:46
Speaker
I love it. I love the little dance. The dance might be the thing that has him over with me. I don't know if without it I would care as much. Yeah, he just, about him dancing like that, it's just pretty funny. We didn't get to talk about it last week. This was my second favorite Zack Sabre Jr. match of the month.
00:32:12
Speaker
Number one was the match with Nick Gage at GCW a few weeks ago, which was wild. So good. And thank you Zach Sabre Jr. for giving us back our Nick Gage from 2021. Is that the last time he was normal? Yeah, it was just such a perfect look. I'm not saying it's like a five star classic or anything, but
00:32:42
Speaker
It's rare you find a match where both guys play their roles and their, and like lit and embody their characters and pull it through so perfectly well. Like it's not ZSJ wrestling, a gauge match. It's not gauge wrestling as ZSJ match. It's the two of them being the wrestlers that they are like bouncing off each other and figuring out like, how does Zach Sabre Jr. interact in these moments? Like the part where like.
00:33:12
Speaker
he does he does he's willing to take some thumbtack spots but he's not brawling with it like when he gets in the thumbtacks he's like oh shoot i can stomp this guy's hand into some thumbtacks and do really cool like submission stuff he's like this is how zach saber jr would use thumbtacks and the same with gage where like gage like tries to wrestle with saber a little bit and is like no no no i need to like i need to fight this guy i need to rough this guy up a little bit and see
00:33:36
Speaker
You know, because I realize I can't wrestle with it. He really can't write its gauge. But yeah, you know, he's he's doing.
00:33:44
Speaker
He's being Nick Gage all the way through, but Gage in response to this incredibly technical wrestler where he's trying to figure out how do I, how do I do that? It's like, and that's like the purest and best. To me, it's like, it's the skill. One of these skills as a wrestler that it's like the pinnacle of the profession is of being able to do that.
00:34:08
Speaker
Like I always remember there's a Raven shoot interview where he's talking about how he was trying to, he was having a match with Shane Douglas and he was talking about something and Shane's like, hmm, franchise wouldn't do that. And like, at first Raven's like, this fucker think he is. And then he's like, no, no, no, actually no, he's great, right? Cause he realized, he's like, no, actually the character wouldn't do that. And it's about, I have to work with that character and I have to figure out what that, we have to figure out what that character would do against me doing what Raven would do.
00:34:38
Speaker
And it's always kind of like stuck with me. And I feel like here, it was almost like the perfect example of that. Like just if you haven't watched it go back, it's the last GCW. It's not the last, it was like three this weekend, but the GCW LA show. And it's not a long, it's like 15 minutes tops, basically. 15, 20 minutes, something like that. Yeah. The breakdown of it was just so great. The starts of the Sabre match, gauge,
00:35:06
Speaker
is trying to do things, can't quite get there. And I just, like you were saying, how does Gage counter this? If you're gonna mat wrestle me, you have to do it in thumbtacks. And just getting to see both guys do a version of a match I've never seen the other do. Loved it. I think when we were talking, it's not like match of the year or a classic.
00:35:32
Speaker
But it is really interesting. And I think it's going to be one of the more memorable matches of the year, just as far as like two guys I love with completely different styles meshing in such a cool way. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the favorite things I love about New Japan is that genre of like the wrestler against the brawler, right? Like.
00:35:55
Speaker
One of my all time favorite G1 matches, I should go back and watch this, but I just want to watch a lot of fascinating stuff, but he's like a bushy against Ishi where it's just, you know, Ishi's like going forward, like, like Ishi does. And, uh, a bushy is trying to prove that he's tough, but he's also, you know, that kind of like style clash. And this was such an, it was against such a unique version of it though. Cause it's not.
00:36:21
Speaker
I don't know, you don't see a guy at the wrestling level of Zack Sabert Jr. wrestle a deathmatch guy that frequently. You just don't get that. And Gage obviously being one of the best in the world. And so again, understanding who Nick Gage is, right? No one knows Nick Gage is better than Nick Gage.
00:36:40
Speaker
It's, it's really cool that not that Gage did the match, the fact that Sabre agreed to do something that we had never seen him do. And I doubt we'll see him do it maybe ever again. Probably not. Yeah. I mean, not frequently, certainly. And I, yeah, that was the other thing about it was like, I liked fit.
00:37:01
Speaker
They went just far enough, right? Sabre was like, Sabre's not like, I'm taking light tubes, but Sabre's like, look, this is an engage match. So yeah, I'm, I'm going to take some thumbtack bumps here and I'm going to take, it's not going to be what I normally do on a weeknight and in Tokyo, but like, yeah, I'm going to take this out a little bit. So that the match crescendos, because if they didn't do that, if they never got to the thumbtacks, I think the match suffers a little bit because it's not.
00:37:29
Speaker
You're not getting enough of the gauge and you're not seeing Saber pushed far enough. But it felt like that was just the right amount that they needed. Yeah. Yeah. And it.
00:37:43
Speaker
I don't know, like Sabre's been one of my favorites for a long time. I think I actually told you the first, actually the first time I would have seen Sabre wrestle ever would have been eight years ago yesterday, my first PWG show. And he so quickly became one of my favorite guys. But even then this adds a level of street cred to him that he's willing to go in and do it. I mean, it's, he didn't do it like Zack Ryder did.
00:38:11
Speaker
But he, you know, he did what he needed to do to still get a good match out of it. And the fact that he was willing to do a wrestling job than Zack Ryder did at the time. Right. Which is actually still makes it weirder that he did it because there's no way he got paid like super great that, you know, with GZW like I can't imagine what the highest paid dude there gets. So I just I don't know.
00:38:41
Speaker
Yeah, it couldn't be what he makes for a big new Japan show. That's for sure. It was a dollar more than John Wayne Murdoch. But I mean, he's done a lot of indie stuff around the last few months. Again, I wonder if he's trying to like spend some time now trying to establish himself a little bit more over the next. Like he's done a lot of ROH. She's been willing to do a lot of that this year. Maybe just trying to.
00:39:08
Speaker
you know, build himself up a little bit more as he's stepping out from the Suzuki-Goon thing. And that was with this AEW match, going back to that for a second.
Tournament Implications and Wrestler Performances
00:39:19
Speaker
As I was watching the match, like you don't know, I don't know, I didn't really
00:39:24
Speaker
maybe Orange Cassidy was gonna lose the title, but as it was going on in the story, it was going through the match. I was like, man, I really wouldn't be mad if ZSJ won this and got to stick around AEW a little longer. And I was kinda secretly hoping that was gonna happen as much as I love Orange Cassidy. I mean, we'll see. I mean, obviously they got, it's a little bit weird right now with the New Japan AEW crossover stuff in the sense that the G1's coming up, so it's like, I mean, he's gotta go away for a full month.
00:39:56
Speaker
So some of these guys, it's like, yeah, they can't be doing a lot. It's like they're not going to be the ROH pay-per-view because they're going to be like in Japan. Same with Eddie, too. It's like it's a little bit not weird, but like it's a little bit of a bummer from an AEW side that like Eddie's coming back and he's about to go away for a month. It's awesome on the flip side that we're going to get to watch Eddie Kingston, the G1. Let's be clear. But like it feels like it's going to derail that momentum a little bit, but we'll see how they how they pull that. But
00:40:24
Speaker
But yeah, so I mean, after that, right, it's Sonata and Jungle Boy. It sounds like of the three of us, I enjoyed this the most. Yeah, I think you had the highest. You seem to feel the strongest about this. I thought the match was fine. I didn't. I didn't have a negative thing to say about it. I thought it was a good match, but you seem to really kind of. What do you like about it?
00:40:46
Speaker
Well I think one of the things is I knew what Sonata looked like now, but I hadn't watched a Sonata match since he got handsome.
00:40:56
Speaker
And, you know, since he got the Brandon Kirk treatment, you know, a little haircut cut the shitty beard. We there's a handsome man under there. And I don't know, like the matchup of him and Jungle Boy just I wasn't excited about it going in. In my mind, I was like, this match only exists because we need to get the heavyweight championship on this show.
00:41:19
Speaker
And I was pretty impressed with their chemistry. I was honestly overall impressed with Sonata. Like, I didn't watch anything and Heater and I kind of talked about this, how when evil had the title, I kind of quit watching all together because I didn't give a fuck about evil as champion. A very reasonable move there, yes. And Sonata kind of has that same evil stink.
00:41:44
Speaker
on him to me, where I care about him maybe one step above evil, but what he did impressed me enough that I was like, I kind of see why he's better than I realized. He's more interesting and fun to watch than I gave him credit for in the past, and I thought Jungle Boy had a good match with him.
00:42:08
Speaker
Well, I think I do think Sonata, the new version of Sonata is an improvement. Um, first of all, I mean, he did use the moonsault, but like.
00:42:17
Speaker
His finishing stretch with skull and the moonsault was so stale. So to move to the DDT move that he didn't end up using here, but like that's actually really helped him. I think it's improved his, his finishing stretch by giving him something different there. Also just the whole weird dynamic with him and Tai Chi. I just kind of love. Um, and something about that, like the evil thing, right? Was like, he goes to bullet club and the Dick Togo thing was interesting for like.
00:42:44
Speaker
a minute and a half. And then we're like, oh, this is gonna be fucking awful. And it's still terrible, like three years later. Whereas the Sonata Tai Chi thing is sort of like this weird thing where Tai Chi was like, aren't you better than this?
00:42:58
Speaker
Come on, buddy. Well, I'll be friends. Let's do this. And now they're like they're like drinking beers and joking with each other and like, I don't know, trying to kick people's asses together. It's like a weird. It's like a weird buddy thing they've got going. Also, why is Tai Chi never on the US shows? Is he like not have a passport? Did he do something we don't know about? He's not allowed. Do what he OK. So if you're new Japan, because one thing I wasn't expecting, they gave
00:43:27
Speaker
Jack Perry, a very competitive title match, where it was enough back and forth that it felt like a real match and he's a real threat that he could have won this. If you're New Japan, that isn't like your top, essentially your top guy, not really your top guy, but your top title holder isn't going against a top guy of AEW.
00:43:54
Speaker
Perry just main evented the last pay-per-view, so he's being positioned as a fairly top guy. I mean, Sonata just defended against Yoda. I forgot that happened. I mean, honestly though, it was my, I don't know, it might've been my second favorite Jungle Boy match of the weekend, because that match with Doki he had on Rampage was delightful.
00:44:15
Speaker
Are you happy that Doki got over so big? The people of Toronto love Doki. I don't know, I've just always, the guys, the most improved guys of the last years, there's something weird and delightful about him. He's got a little engine that could energy to him, where it's like, can you believe Doki is on national television, main eventing a show on national television, even if it is Rampage? I mean, that's a pretty nice moment for him. Chuck Taylor's never done that.
00:44:50
Speaker
He just needs to let Suzuki slap him around for a couple of years. That's what he means. He doesn't want that. He's fine. Just he's fine. He's I'm good. I'm good. So after that, that's the tin man, right? Yes. Yes. That ruled.
00:45:11
Speaker
It was very fun. I'm looking at the list of guys that are in this right now, and I'm trying to... This is one I'm having trouble remembering a lot of specific spots, but the main thing I took away from this is they gave Takeshita, they made him look like a fucking star. Yeah, that was clearly the goal of this match. Ishii literally just goes down like a shot for one of, like, Takeshita's forearms to make him look like a badass.
00:45:40
Speaker
Wow, like it looked like he knocked him unconscious. Like they were. Yeah, those exchanges of blows, like the sounds of them, it sounds like shotguns going off on those. It was good. And those, you know, you read the issue from a match perspective in terms of. Like a lot of stuff happens in this match, but.
00:45:59
Speaker
It was worked very like, like no one like really kills themselves in this match. Everyone goes like pretty hard, but still mid card hard. But it's like, it's these 10 guys. Well, these nine guys I'm willing to, um, going mid card hard.
00:46:17
Speaker
And like, they're just so good that like, they don't need to like, just in the middle of the show, they're just like, well, this is just nonstop delight. Um, most particularly though, the Eddie and, um, Moxley stare down where people like gave them a standing ovation just for the two of them staring at each other. I was like, that's good. I like that.
00:46:38
Speaker
That does make me think of there was a moment where the Bucks are about to, I'm trying to remember if they're going to V trigger or super kick. I think super kick. Maybe he pulls it out. And Eddie jumps in the way and takes it. And all I was shouting at the TV, because I'm like, I get that you're doing that for your buddy, but do you even know your friend? Your friend would have loved that.
00:47:05
Speaker
He wants to get kicked in the head. He loves getting kicked. Garrett, this is a wrestling show. You realize this, right? The guy on the other... Can you imagine if there had been a barbed wire bat and Eddie jumped in front of it? That would be enough to end a friendship. Where he's like, I could be bleeding right now and you took it away.
00:47:34
Speaker
Overall, Eddie Kingston paid me. Do we know was Eddie Kingston paid off by Renee? Tune in to Dynamite to find out.
00:47:44
Speaker
Honestly, looking at Cage Fight right now, I can't believe that was 21 and a half minutes. It was, like you said, it's nonstop fun. I love a 10 man like that where there's enough talented people going hard that everybody can get little bits of rest and basically just do big fun things for 21 minutes. Yeah, I felt like this was the moment, that point in the show where I was like, wait a minute, this show has been amazing. The show has just been nonstop tremendous, just all the way through.
00:48:17
Speaker
Even then, and even then, so the next match, right, is the women's title match, which I had kind of lower expectations for, but I thought that was really good too.
00:48:26
Speaker
Yeah, this was my wife's introduction to Tony Storm. And all she heard all about it leading up to it was us describing Tony Storm's ass move. And I think one, she loved Tony Storm, but I think that the ass move somehow looked more devastating than we even described it. It is devastating looking.
00:48:49
Speaker
It fucking sucks. Like if there was a list of finishers I don't want to take, that is one of them. That is high on the list. What it's weird is also cause like Willow does a somewhat similar move, right? The cannonball on the corner. Yeah. Willow is a larger lady than Tony storm. She's a bigger woman, but that looks relatively safe. Whereas when Tony storm does it, I'm like, I think she broke someone's face.
00:49:16
Speaker
That's what, yeah, I'd rather have Kevin Owens give me the cannonball in the corner than I would Tony Storm running full ass, full force, like throw an ass. And I said to my wife, like if it were an option on her only fans to pay for me to take that move, is that a situation where the punishment fits the crime? What did she say?
00:49:41
Speaker
It sounded like she wouldn't have been too mad about it. She would've been like, this is weird, Garrett, but I know who I married. She's like, you were you, you know. I will say, it's kind of cool that the, like, it sucks that Sasha Banks broke her arm, or whatever, or ankle, she broke her ankle. It sucks that Sasha Banks broke her ankle. But I feel like Willow has really made the most of this.
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah, she's benefiting from it huge, and I love her looking like a star. It works. She's a very likable person. I think you're right. So in the match that she broke her ankle, did they call an audible and put it on Willow in that moment? Yeah, it basically would happen there, and I haven't been meaning to watch that match, but yeah, it happened mid-match.
00:50:34
Speaker
Mercedes Sasha was supposed to win the match, unsurprisingly, but realized, I was like, Oh, I'm fucked. I'm out for at least a little bit here. I gotta, this is for the title. I gotta lose it. I gotta lose the, this match. So they called an audible and, you know, uh, Willow one and it's.
00:50:52
Speaker
you know, it was unexpected, but it's the kind of like, and to get that win like that, where you're like, oh shoot, like even contextually, even knowing that it was like an audible and injured, you're like, yeah, in kayfabe, it's like, she just beat a big star for a title. That's cool. Like that's, yeah. That's a star building moment. That's how you build a new character, you know, like get another person that can sell t-shirts at the stand. Yeah. And in New York, a Brooklyn, a Brooklyn girl will, so.
Epic Matches and Storytelling
00:51:22
Speaker
I, first time I met Willow was with Queen of the Ring behind LeBoom. Here we go. I think, I don't even remember if she was on the Evolve show, or not Evolve, but was the ladies show that usually happened before Evolve. Was it Shimmer? Yeah, it was either Shimmer or the other one. I think it was Shimmer. For Shine? We went to both shows. Shine.
00:51:50
Speaker
Shiver was a different women's promotion. Yeah. And I think you're right, because there was a certain company that did evolve in some other stuff. And I want to say that Shine was in that one. OK. Yeah, so and now this gets us to right. Kenny and Osprey. Dude. Fuck. Fuck like. Thirty nine minutes, 50 seconds.
00:52:18
Speaker
It felt like 15. It felt like 15. I mean, when I tell you this match made me feel like a kid again, everything that was happening in this match, all of a sudden wrestling became real to me. Everything was real and everything mattered. And I live for that feeling when you're watching wrestling where you are fully fucking sucked in. Whose side were you on?
00:52:47
Speaker
Oh, Kenny. OK. And I mean, we had, you know, four people watching, including my wife, who doesn't give a fuck during that match. We all got silent. And everybody was paying attention. Like everybody was 100 percent bought in on this match. Like this was this was one that felt special. And I still don't think it was as good as the Japan match.
00:53:15
Speaker
But man, it was fun. I felt I'm with you. I didn't. I think I obviously got to go rewatch the the Wrestle Kingdom match. I think I had it a little bit lower than that back said he had it higher. He felt like this hit a higher gear even with the weirdness.
00:53:31
Speaker
The callous stuff at the finish, just like A, that you get to come back after being kicked out just doesn't make any sense. Um, and then to have that, I guess I was worried that that was going to be direct to the finish, which was really going to be, I think a bummer, but I actually think it did help in the sense that the false finish there. Was good because you're like, Oh fuck, they're going to end it like that. You're like, Oh no. Oh no, he's still going.
00:53:58
Speaker
That was the foot on the rope, right? That was the foot on the rope. And then the kick out at one on the one-winged angel. I jumped out of my chair.
00:54:08
Speaker
Dude, all of us in the basement, at the foot on the rope, we were screaming. Everybody was screaming. And then when he hit the one-winged angels, like, okay, this is it. Here we go. That fucking kick out at one. I was seven years old. And I just watched Hulk Hogan, like, get a second wind.
00:54:31
Speaker
in a match, you know? Like, it was... Damn. Like, I'm sitting here smiling ear to ear right now thinking about it. That was such a big moment. Yeah, and again, I watched late, so I was... I'd gotten... I technically got, like, directly spoiled, but I saw a picture where I was, like, I'm pretty sure it's Osprey 1. And I, like, even still, I was, like, biting hard on that. I'm like, oh, I think Kenny's winning this. I must have looked at that picture wrong. I must have misunderstood.
00:54:56
Speaker
Oh, my God. It just it felt like he was going to get it out. And then Osprey hits that V trigger so hard into Kenny. Well, that's it. I don't actually know the in the answer to this, too. He was holding his arms, which is a kamagoi. Oh, she move. Yeah. Oh, shit. You're right. And who's who's the guy that took the the IWGP title from from a bushy?
00:55:27
Speaker
No. So I I don't know. I don't know when I don't know when we're getting there, but it does. They're leaving breadcrumbs that suggest. We're going to see a bushy at some point, I would be surprised. I don't feel like they would leave those breadcrumbs if it wasn't like, yeah, eventually. We think we're getting to something involving a bushy with this.
00:55:49
Speaker
Which would be amazing. I didn't, I didn't catch you saying that, but that's such a nice little piece of storytelling. That's a little deeper end of the story that I, man, that smiling again, just thinking about how good it really was. Yeah. If they run that back again, then some of them was like, you eggs want to do a third, a fourth, a fifth. And when you got in you, you tell, you tell us we're here for them.
00:56:15
Speaker
Also, one of the most wholesome moments I've seen in pro wrestling in so long was Osprey, you know, steals the Canadian flag from a fan, wiping it on his balls. Him and Kenny are fighting. He gets the flag back. He holds the flag up. It's got Kenny's blood on it now. And he walked to those two kids in the front row and handed that little kid the Canadian flag. And those two little kids' faces lighting up.
00:56:44
Speaker
as the Canadian hero hands them the flag was such a beautiful moment in pro wrestling. You know, CM Punk wants to be Bret Hart, but Kenny Omega is Bret Hart. He's a Canadian hero.
00:57:01
Speaker
Oh my God. And yeah, Kenny's bleeding. Kenny got over the bleeding really fast. Osprey. He is Osprey. My guy cuts too deep, just like I like and gushed gut. Like we thought it was gross when he licks Kenny's blood off his bicep.
00:57:22
Speaker
That's nothing compared to the buckets he bled straight into Kenny's mouth. Yeah, that was something. Again, the crazy thing for both these matches is the expectations have been wildly high. And in both cases, it was like, nope, met them. Quite pleased.
00:57:46
Speaker
You can't doubt Kenny Omega's ability. It felt like it had been so long since we had seen him do a singles as well. I mean, what was it before this? It felt like it was Osprey at the beginning of the year. There was the Jeff Cobb match in April. Okay, that was very good. I mean, it was good, yeah. That was just a TV match though. It was a good TV match.
00:58:10
Speaker
It might've been that, though. He's been wrestling a lot of tags and stuff. I don't really remember, actually, him doing another single. Can you believe a guy that doesn't wrestle singles that often anymore can still do a 40-minute match at that high of caliber? And we didn't even mention the Tiger Driver 91. Oh, dear. Yes. Yes, that was disturbing.
00:58:34
Speaker
I basically threw up all over myself at that point. He landed him so high on his neck. The top of your head ain't neck, bud. Whoa, yeah. Do we have confirmation he's okay?
00:58:56
Speaker
Oh, actually, yeah, apparently he was fine. The report was that he was walking around after that, that he was fine. By the way, how could we forget the last Kenny singles match was the Cage match against Mox? Oh, very good as well. Like, I feel bad that I actually forgot that one, but here, by the way, just just for reference, here are the Kenny Omega singles matches in 2023.
00:59:21
Speaker
The match against Osprey at the Tokyo. Take an all timer. Right. The match against the Kingo. Holy shit. Yeah, that was like. Yeah. Yeah. The matching box and this match against Osprey. Those are his four and the Cobb match. Those are the five singles matches in this year.
00:59:43
Speaker
I mean, like are all those at least five stars? I mean, even the Cobb one, like maybe was like three and a half. One's probably. Yeah. Yeah. Three and a half for because otherwise he was doing so many part of it. He was doing so many six man's at the beginning of the year. But. Yeah.
01:00:03
Speaker
That's man. He is so good and we are so blessed as wrestling fans to have this man. I don't know what he could do that would get me to stop caring about him.
01:00:20
Speaker
I just, I want him to be happy forever and be, and to have good things in his life. I will, first person I'm gonna play as in this game that I think drops, I know what they said drops Thursday.
01:00:34
Speaker
But I think if you pre-ordered it on digital, you might get it tomorrow.
Wrestling Video Games and Nostalgia
01:00:39
Speaker
And by tomorrow, I mean, we're recording this Tuesday night, so I might, next week basically, get ready to hear full fucking review of Fight Forever, because I, this is the most excited I've been for a game in years. But you're starting with Omega, you're going, I'm gonna be Kenny Omega, and I'm gonna meet some people in the face. Exploding barbed wire deathmatch. You know, like, you're gonna set that up first.
01:01:03
Speaker
It is true though. Omega, I think is at the top of my list in terms of like for a video game, like I kind of want to do a one-winged angel. You know what I mean? It's like, I want to throw some V triggers. I want to do the Kenny Omega moveset. That sounds fun. I will say not to take us too far off, but
01:01:23
Speaker
This weekend, I was up at a cabin in upstate New York and in the basement, they had a arcade cabinet of WWF superstars, which was the first WWF arcade game.
01:01:36
Speaker
That's your favorite, right? No, Wrestle Fest would be like, Wrestle Fest is, if there had been Wrestle Fest, I would have thrown the five-year-olds off. They'd be like, no, you go. Did any of the other parents understand? Did they see that and be like, oh, Chris is going to be excited?
01:01:58
Speaker
I think they all were. I think they knew once they they were like, oh, yeah, Chris, Chris, like wrestling. He's probably giving me the one. I was like trying to teach the kids how to play it, but they were a little bit too young for it. They were trying to like understand joystick control. Hey, little kid, it's leg drop time.
01:02:19
Speaker
Dad, Chris beat me again. It's not my fault you suck. Back of the line, title. Getting your ass kicked. I was trying to teach Mattie how to play it a little bit. We were trying to play together. It was hard. The one thing I did, so it's one of those machines where I can hit the button and get as many credits as I want, right?
01:02:45
Speaker
I got through, so if you haven't played superstars in a while, which maybe you haven't, cause it's a game from the eighties. Um, there's only six characters. It's Hogan warrior macho man, hacksaw, honky tonk man, big boss man. So the game, like the game is you pick two with them as a tag team and you've got to beat. Both like you've got to beat two of the other guys, two of the other guys, and then they mix and match and you've got to beat them one more time. And then you get to the big boss.
01:03:15
Speaker
which despite the fact the big boss man is the game, the big boss is Ted DiBiase and Andre. So which you can't play as otherwise can't play as the mother. Why? I think maybe I don't think I don't think he can. And so I'm I'm playing the game. I'm like crushing with the extra lives like I'm not doing that great, but like I'm advancing, I'm winning the matches.
01:03:38
Speaker
And I get to Andre and Dibiase. And the kids run in, and they're like, can we play? Can we play? And I'm like, just a minute. Just a minute. Because I'm like, come on. He's trying to win this game here. But 30 seconds in, I quickly realize that I feel like I vaguely remembered this, but I hadn't thought about it in so long.
01:04:03
Speaker
Andres impossible you can literally do nothing with him. He's just throw you every time you try to do something He just throws you and so I was just like you kids go play at this. I'm gonna I'm gonna give up and let you guys play Good time
01:04:22
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, the Omega moveset. But don't you just kind of want to do a one-winged angel, right? That just seems like a thing you should do in a video game. I haven't gotten to do that yet. And it sounds like they're going to make it easy for dum-dums like me to do things like that in this game, which is all I've wanted in a video game in the last decade. Yeah. Make it easy for us dum-dums, guys. Come on. OK. Speaking of people almost breaking their neck.
01:04:49
Speaker
Chris, the fact that I've held it in my body this long to be able to talk about the best thing that's ever happened to me since we've started this podcast is this six-man tag. Okay, we're recording this Tuesday night. Since Sunday around 10 p.m. when this happened, I have thought about it
01:05:20
Speaker
once every hour and a half. And I bring myself to tears laughing. This was the funniest shit I've ever seen happen between four veteran wrestlers and two young guys. A near senior citizen was almost very badly hurt, Garret. Because, okay, here's my theory. For any of you that don't know,
01:05:48
Speaker
Sammy Guevara gets on the top rope. Sting is laid out on a table on the floor. Sammy goes for a 620. Well, but go back first, because first what happens, right, is Sting has Jericho in the scorpion death lock and Sammy tries to do his top rope cutter thing and just kind of like lands on Sting's head.
01:06:09
Speaker
Like, I don't know what timing was messed up there, but you're like, ooh, that looked bad. He like landed on Sting and Sting's head just kind of went down. And then after that, like not long after that is I think what you're talking about here, right? The 630.
01:06:25
Speaker
Okay, wait, so maybe I'm getting things mixed up and remembering it incorrectly and my brain's putting it in a funnier path for me. But when Sammy landed on his head, was he pretty fucked up for a while? Like where when he went to get back in the ring, his hands were shaking and he was really wobbly and couldn't stand up.
01:06:46
Speaker
so good well i think because then i think i think with the 630 right it looked like sting was trying to roll off the table to miss it but he just didn't probably because he was concussed from sammy landing on his head
01:07:14
Speaker
I think about it, I can't stop it! It's an icon! It's staying! I'm fucking crying!
01:07:42
Speaker
So Sammy's up top, Sting is laying on the table and like, he's like 60 right? So he likes a good firm surface, feels good on his back, he falls asleep.
01:07:56
Speaker
Sammy, who sting like he's taken science but he forgot about like how quickly gravity works, and basically doesn't try and move out of the way from that until he's already on top of him.
01:08:13
Speaker
And isn't the thing that's probably supposed to happen in this match is Jericho's convincing Sammy like, do this fucked up move to Sting. And Sting is supposed to roll out of the way. Sammy goes through a table, gets broken through it, and then him and Jericho get in a fight or something. It does seem reasonable.
01:08:33
Speaker
But basically what happened is he killed Sting and nobody knew what to do the rest of the match. It is four veterans, two of which barely speak English, so calling it on the fly is fucked. It's Sting who's already had his head landed on. It's so fucked up. He's so fucked up. They got there though.
01:09:04
Speaker
I'm so sorry. They got there. Holy shit. Holy shit. Like that. This was the main event. This was the greatest comedy match in 2023.
01:09:18
Speaker
and the best thing that's ever happened to me. I don't know, like this was better than the birth of my kid. This was better than the day I got married. The day that Sting, like Dave fucking Seth Rollins, this guy twice in the match. It's funny though, cause it's the face, I did love the Suzuki face too. He was just so, I want to see Suzuki against Sting. Can you just get that match?
01:09:48
Speaker
So I text or so facts me facts and Derek were in a group chat as the the show was going on and I said to facts like that was so fucking cool when staying in Suzuki square up and facts was getting so pissed at how late the show is going because you know.
01:10:03
Speaker
But he goes, yeah, that would have been fucking great at 9 15. He was so mad that we were not on the main event at that point, but just him being mad like he did not enjoy any of that. He was not part. He didn't enjoy any of the shenanigans of this magic scene because he was just ready to get to the main event. Holy shit, guys, like that match.
01:10:29
Speaker
That's my number one of the year right now. I don't care how good, like, and the fact that in the, so Sting knows cells getting landed on with the most devastating thing that's ever happened to him in his older years. Like that, that sucked. That ruined his week. Like he is at DDP's house right now. Like he has to live there. He's on a Jake Roberts. I thought you might have to buy a Sting shirt for laughing at this poor man's misfortune.
01:11:01
Speaker
Why the fuck? He didn't move. It's not my fault, but that's funny. Like he's a professional. Like he's not as fast as gravity anymore. He's not. He's not. Um, no one thought that maybe he shouldn't be the guy to be there for that. Like somebody else. I don't know.
01:11:26
Speaker
Nido? Nido could've rolled away, maybe. Maybe. It really should've been Darby. Let's be clear, it really should've been Darby. Yeah, there's a young, healthy man, but let's, you know what? Let's get the guy who's a member of AARP to see if he can move out of the way of this spinny guy. Jesus Christ.
01:11:50
Speaker
I'm sorry, guys, that I got carried away. I got too excited. We're on to the main event. Which I thought was really good. I mean, again, it wasn't Kenny and Osprey. I think it didn't quite hit that same level. I don't know. Maybe it would have been a little bit different if Daniel hadn't broken his arm. Daniel's been healthy there, but I mean, it's still a great match. Yeah.
01:12:20
Speaker
It, I honestly kind of thought they were going to make Kenny the main event. And when they respectively, that was probably a good idea. That was, they probably should, although I don't know. I think you went on a, out of a much higher note with this one with people cheering for Danielson.
01:12:35
Speaker
That's true, actually you're very right with that. I did see that Brian though said backstage he was like fucking angry he had to follow the Kenny match. I saw him say, he also said, I'm trying to remember where I read this, I read as well that he said he was angry about something else not related to the match and he didn't know that final countdown was gonna be his entrance music.
01:13:05
Speaker
Wow. And it said that his mood completely changed the second that hit. It said he didn't know he was walking out to it. I hope wherever I read that, that's correct, because that's a nice little surprise, if that's the case. Yeah, that's awesome. I wish I could cite my source on that, but I definitely read both of those things, that he was upset, that he was like, I am sad that I have to follow this. He had to have been so happy the Sting thing happened.
01:13:36
Speaker
Not maybe he wouldn't admit it, but. Man, I bet that dude's gotten some real bad kale cuts over the years. There's yeah, there's a mention this that there's ringside news in the media scrum. We talked about this in the media scrum. OK, I didn't watch that, so I I must have read a breakdown of that. He hadn't heard the song since it was entrance music in our wage, although I don't know if he knew. I guess maybe he didn't. I don't know when he knew that it was.
01:14:03
Speaker
It was going to happen. It's not clear that he did like absolutely not know that it was. But he might they said they might use it again. It's expensive, but they were able to get apparently Europe just sold their media rights to category rights to a company. So apparently it's a little bit easier to license it now.
01:14:26
Speaker
Oh, yes, I remember. Well, and I saw that Tony said that the cost of using it was about the cost of signing a wrestler. Which seems insane. It's not that big of a song. I people use it for a lot of shit. It's so it's such a like. I mean, you can use it. I mean, people use to say it's the final countdown for so many things like I bet it's. It makes sense that it's pricey to me.
01:14:56
Speaker
Either way, the match, you know, he was a fine. It was great. It was great. Yeah, I'm not mad about it. They can run that one back, too. But yeah, I mean, this is like. We just talked about this whole show. There was not a done the bunch. It was just a great fucking four hours of wrestling. I even the price score to skim the pre-show, even some of the pre-show was nothing was amazing or anything. But that was fine. Fuck.
01:15:24
Speaker
Let's keep doing it. I hope they keep doing this. Seems like I do, too. This it. Yeah, it's never going to not be exciting. This is like, you know, we get kind of a Marvel versus DC moment that no other companies are willing to provide us. You know, it's exciting. I mean, if I'm sure impact would love to jump in on this or in W.A., but it's like there are three big companies and two of them are willing to work together. And that's a beautiful thing.
01:15:52
Speaker
And in impact, they do the impact new Japan crossovers and those happen in much smaller places for a lot of reasons, but like Nashville in a studio. Oh man, we're almost done. Um, before we get out of here, I do want to mention, so I went to see a movie today. I saw the, uh, the Jennifer Lawrence movie.
01:16:15
Speaker
no hard feelings. It's a mid-budget R-rated comedy, which is rare these days, because no one wants to spend money on comedies. Not super great, didn't love it, but there is a moment in it where Jennifer Lawrence is fully nude, full frontal, back, everything, and she is fighting three people at once in this scene, fully nude. And while completely nude,
01:16:42
Speaker
I was so taken aback that this was happening at all and I was seeing it that it's hard for me to remember. But in that fight, she either gave somebody a back body drop or a suplex. And that's just something I didn't think I was going to see today. And I'm hoping that we get the Jennifer Lawrence all elite confirmed thing because she would be a great addition to the women's division. That is like truly a level of star power.
01:17:10
Speaker
that we'd be lucky to have like an Oscar nominee, maybe a winner, I don't remember, but she's... You want her to be EW's Logan Paul. Yes! I don't know if she likes wrestling, but I've never seen anyone else completely nude do a move like that and get it from so many angles. What the hell? I don't know. That was a weird part of my day. I just wasn't expecting and...
01:17:39
Speaker
I think Logan Paul should have to wrestle nude in the next match. Like we're in the Roman times and we're impressing a king. Is that King Vince McMahon? Damn it, Logan. The people aren't going to smile till they see taint. You're a gladiator.
01:18:11
Speaker
Holy shit. Yeah, I mean, do you have anything else? I mean, we're definitely talking fight forever next week. I'll tell you that now. I'll be interviewing you about fight forever because I probably will not have played it, but I'm curious. You basically next week, Garrett, you should see. I guess we're going to find out if you're going to be able to convince me to buy a video game system to play this game.
01:18:32
Speaker
I mean, I feel like it's going to happen. I was also told by Heater that it's a cross platform situation. So those with a PlayStation and Xbox can play together online. Let's see if that's true. I do want to say I am actually next week as well. I'll be talking wrestling. I'm driving to Chattanooga on Saturday to go see Hardway Heater fight John Wayne Murdoch.
01:18:57
Speaker
Who else is on that show? How much is heater getting
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01:19:01
Speaker
paid? And is it a dollar more than John Wayne Murdoch? I wish I don't. I feel like that's not going to be the case, but yeah, I don't know. It's $13 less than John Wayne Murdoch.
01:19:16
Speaker
I'll also be seeing Dr. Redacted live for the first time, who seems like an untrained maniac. And then the Kirks, who else? Hoodfoot still champ over there, so get a title match with Hoodfoot. I don't know, there's some fun stuff on the card. Honestly, I'm just excited to see Heater have a match against somebody that's fucking big. That's a big fucking match for him.
01:19:39
Speaker
Yeah. And I will I will also add that if you are hearing this on Thursday or Friday, on Friday night in Brooklyn, extremely serious wrestling at T2T. Let me find the I can find the address for you.
01:20:02
Speaker
but I'm the ultimate father who is someone who looks quite a bit like me. And I think is just a terrific guy. He'll be wrestling. He'll be wrestling the knocker.
01:20:20
Speaker
who's also Doc Diamondfire did a lot of stuff with Chikara. So I am very excited about that. There's going to be some some fun Friday, June 30th doors at seven show probably at around seven thirty. Fifteen bucks in advance, 20 at the door. It's basically in Williamsburg, one hundred and forty Frost Street in Brooklyn. And if you go to extremely serious wrestling on Instagram, you can find all the details. So yeah, we'll be able to check it out on IWTV later for those who aren't.
01:20:50
Speaker
I believe so, I believe so, you'll eventually be able to see this. Big things coming, big things coming. I can't possibly know the finish to a wrestling match in advance, but I think some- A match that you aren't even a part of, just somebody who looks like you. Just someone who looks very much like me, yes.
01:21:11
Speaker
Well, I'm excited to see that down the road. And yeah, you should definitely go to that if you're in the Williamsburg, New York, even if you're in New Jersey, if you're in Washington, DC, make the trip to go see somebody who looks like Chris Russell. Yeah. Watch it. You'll be, um, you'll be in a lovely sort of, uh, beautiful room over there and you can, you can probably, they'll probably let you bring food in or something. And there's booze, there's a bar, have a drink, hang out, watch us make jokes about wrestling.
01:21:39
Speaker
Watch somebody who looks like Chris McJokes about wrestling. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for listening. This was a lot of fun this week. At Predetermined Podcast on Instagram, at Gartet, at Chris Mc's, at Jimmy Facts, AKA Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page. Thanks so much for listening. We had a great time with you this week. We will be back next week and hit our goddamn music.