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Speaker: Hey, Gia.
Speaker: Hey, Christine.
Speaker: I have to know what you think about the Lizzo situation.
Speaker: You know what I think?
Speaker: I think I fucking called it and I said it in the last episode.
Speaker: It's so ironic that we recorded that last episode and I brought up Lizzo.
Speaker: I said the second Lizzo does anything wrong, she will be crucified by the media, by everyone else.
Speaker: and i hate it i hate that i was right i hate it so much and i have so many feelings i'm so let down and disappointed but also so angry and there's just a lot going on there's a lot going on in the brain of i think you feel like both of us you know so we're gonna share brain thoughts today and welcome to two fat girls one microphone um
Speaker: We're a lot more loosey-goosey today because there's a lot of feelings.
Speaker: But I'm Gia and I'm a fat girl.
Speaker: And I'm Christine and I'm reluctantly fat.
Speaker: There she is.
Speaker: There she is.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just I feel like there's just so much to unpack with this.
Speaker: First and foremost was like the disappointment when that broke in the news because there's so little fat representation in
Speaker: Period.
Speaker: And so it's it's it's different than like another fucking blonde haired, blue eyed white man having a scandal because there's another blonde haired, blue eyed white man that you can go revere very easily.
Speaker: But with we don't fat people don't have a lot of fat people to look up to in the media and to count on and to, you know, really just like feel happy when they listen to music or watch what they're in or whatever.
Speaker: And so my initial feelings were just sadness.
Speaker: Like before I even looked up anything, read the lawsuit, anything was just I was so fucking sad because it's like.
Speaker: Which is unfair, right?
Speaker: At the same time, it's unfair that we have put her on this pedestal who's just a human and
Speaker: But it's very complex.
Speaker: It's complex.
Speaker: Give me your thoughts.
Speaker: It's like, okay, it's like... You're right, putting her on a pedestal.
Speaker: We have nobody else, though, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We all clung to her so hard because there's nobody like her that has been given a platform to her extent that has allowed a fat woman, a fat black woman, to fucking...
Speaker: dance, sing, play an instrument, fucking do a show, put albums out, like be that bitch, as she says.
Speaker: Well, and be sexy.
Speaker: And be sexy.
Speaker: I think that's a really important part, too, is her sexuality and how unapologetic she is and how not only do we not have fat people in the media, but we have no fat, openly sexual people at all.
Speaker: So true.
Speaker: They're waiting for you, Gia.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's me and my titties.
Speaker: The industry is waiting for you.
Speaker: Me and my titties, my titties and me.
Speaker: Hey, hey, hey.
Speaker: Ha, cha, cha.
Speaker: It's just like my two boobs with a top hat on.
Speaker: Anywho.
Speaker: Dead.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I was shocked, to be honest.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I was just shocked.
Speaker: And then-
Speaker: The thing for me was like, I watched the big girls dance show.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I followed the Ariana Davis girl before she was even on the show.
Speaker: And she's a sweetheart in my mind.
Speaker: Like, I believe victims.
Speaker: So that's why it's so hard.
Speaker: Like, that's why it's like...
Speaker: so hard to wrap my brain around what has happened.
Speaker: I understand that people do all kinds of things.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: People make mistakes.
Speaker: People are complex in general.
Speaker: We're not perfect.
Speaker: We're going to make mistakes.
Speaker: And I can see how this got out of hand.
Speaker: But the thing that really made me feel a different way was the statement she put out.
Speaker: Yeah, that Lizzo put out.
Speaker: The statement was very bland and, you know, like a lawyer wrote it and did not take any accountability.
Speaker: I mean, a lawyer wrote that lawsuit.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: To be fair, just to devil's advocate.
Speaker: Yes, elaborate.
Speaker: Elaborate on that because you read more about the lawsuit.
Speaker: Well, because, so, again, I feel like, and again, it's like hard when I'm talking about this.
Speaker: I'm not excusing anything.
Speaker: I'm not, you know, saying Lizzo did nothing wrong.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just think it's really, if you read the lawsuit,
Speaker: It's a lot of, we felt, we felt like we would lose our jobs if this happened.
Speaker: Of course.
Speaker: We felt coerced.
Speaker: We felt this.
Speaker: There's not, and I'm not saying that those feelings aren't valid.
Speaker: I'm not saying that the workplace wasn't toxic.
Speaker: I'm saying legally, I don't know how much feelings are going to stand up.
Speaker: But it's hard because,
Speaker: You know, I also think there's this automatic assumption.
Speaker: I think those dancers put her on a pedestal too, right?
Speaker: Like, I do feel like there's probably a colossal disappointment that those women are feeling in Lizzo.
Speaker: And, you know, but what's an interesting point to me is...
Speaker: This automatic assumption that all fat people have to be nice.
Speaker: And I don't know if that came from like fucking Santa Claus or what, but not all fat people are jolly.
Speaker: Actually, a lot of fat people are really fucking angry.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And they have a really big fucking chips on their shoulders and they just fight for their lives all the time to be
Speaker: deemed a remotely pleasant person by society because they don't want to give society one more thing to say about them.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: It's, you know, I feel like the world just assumes all fat people are nice and jolly when like in actuality,
Speaker: We don't know most fat people.
Speaker: We don't give fat people the agency to be anything else.
Speaker: So that's just something else that just makes me really sad.
Speaker: And yeah, with the lawsuit itself, I'm just very curious about
Speaker: how much will actually legally stand up now that's not to say that lizzo's reputation is forever altered and if you ask me that's more damaging than any lawsuit exactly and i do think that that's part of the game you know i think they played the the media always has wants to create a narrative and always has an effect on these things and i think that
Speaker: any legal team worth their weight in salt is going to play to that, is going to play to, well, okay, we're going to sue you, but we're going to break you through the coals of the press, and we'll see what's left of you by the end, you know?
Speaker: So it's just, it's sad.
Speaker: It's really, I have a lot of feelings, a lot of thoughts.
Speaker: It's like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker: Like, I honestly, like, I feel frozen.
Speaker: I don't know what to do.
Speaker: I don't know if I should listen to Lizzo music in a normal way.
Speaker: Like, I don't.
Speaker: I said, then you have a really interesting...
Speaker: art versus the artist conversation like we've had many times before, right?
Speaker: Many times.
Speaker: I mean, I, you know, I have that conversation about Harry Potter all the time, right?
Speaker: Separating the art from the artist because J.K.
Speaker: Rowling's a big old see you next Tuesday.
Speaker: But those books did a lot of good for a lot of people and live in a lot of people's hearts.
Speaker: And you can't take that away.
Speaker: You can't like, you know, so I,
Speaker: Same thing, you know, similarly, Michael Jackson.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: Michael Jackson's music.
Speaker: Are you going to stop listening to all Michael Jackson music?
Speaker: Like, no.
Speaker: Well, I do draw the line at R. Kelly.
Speaker: Well, yes, because he's I do draw the line.
Speaker: His his music's not nearly as good either.
Speaker: Like, no.
Speaker: Well, you know, but it's just I think it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker: But I do feel like, you know, like I was saying last week on last week's episode.
Speaker: the more marginalized of a celebrity you are, the harder you fall.
Speaker: You know, if you look at, I can remember when the Will Smith slap happened on the Oscars.
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And my mom was so upset.
Speaker: She was so upset.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And it's like, and, and, and it's because it's like, but everyone loved him.
Speaker: Everyone's rooting for him always.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And it's like, well, that's your disappointment.
Speaker: Is your disappointment in the action itself?
Speaker: Or is your disappointment in the pedestal you put this person on and the realization that this person is not who you thought they were?
Speaker: Well, I think it's the realization that this person is a human being.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because, like, nobody's perfect.
Speaker: Like, people get swept up in moments.
Speaker: Like, that was a getting swept up in the moment kind of thing.
Speaker: And I'm going to guarantee the Lizzo thing was too.
Speaker: Because when you're, like, out partying after a show, it is blurred lines.
Speaker: Like, we've been there.
Speaker: We've been in shows.
Speaker: We've been with casts.
Speaker: It gets, you know, we party, you know, I used to, I mean, hello, like you go out with the cast.
Speaker: You're like, everybody's like, who am I going to make out with?
Speaker: Like, it's just, it gets crazy is what I'm saying.
Speaker: So it is a blurred line.
Speaker: I literally, Christine, I went to a bar like a month or so ago and this man, it was a gay bar.
Speaker: It was a,
Speaker: oh what's the bar the ritz the ritz and hell's kitchen and i'm like outside the bar and this guy's like very wasted and he's like i'm sorry i'm very gay but can i please motorboat your tits they're just so wonderful and i said yeah okay it was just like a camaraderie kind of thing it was i didn't feel uncomfortable he wasn't turned on like it wasn't
Speaker: Now, you know, if I told that story to just anyone, they might be like, Gia, that's not okay.
Speaker: But in the moment, it felt fine.
Speaker: I'm not scarred from it.
Speaker: So that being said, nobody knows.
Speaker: Nobody.
Speaker: If you weren't there, like, no one knows anything.
Speaker: And I think if you get, well, my other point is like, let's take that event that I just told you about at that bar.
Speaker: Let's put it on paper.
Speaker: Looks pretty bad, right?
Speaker: I don't think it does look bad, though.
Speaker: Really?
Speaker: He asked you and you said yes.
Speaker: That's true.
Speaker: OK, I guess you're right.
Speaker: Maybe you're right because, well, see, the thing with the lawsuit, the event that happened in the Lizzo thing is that she didn't.
Speaker: Everyone knew that I'm going to go from the Ariana because that girl is known to be modest, is known to be a virgin before any of this.
Speaker: And so she so so Lizzo knows that she's like shy and demure and doesn't like sex things.
Speaker: So it was a coercion of everybody chanting.
Speaker: Come on, Ari, do it.
Speaker: Ari, you know, whatever.
Speaker: So I can see that in the moment.
Speaker: When you're like, because I'm like kind of like that.
Speaker: I don't like to be put on the spot like that in a weird situation.
Speaker: What is she supposed to do?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: What is she supposed to do?
Speaker: Now, I'm not saying she should have sued her, but I'm just saying it's a bad situation to be in.
Speaker: It's just a bad situation to be in.
Speaker: And Lizzo...
Speaker: doesn't think that I am the boss.
Speaker: I shouldn't be making people do things they don't want to do because you don't think like that when you're also a performer.
Speaker: It's hard to be the boss and the performer, okay?
Speaker: It's hard to do that because you're making friends with people you're with on stage performing with.
Speaker: And that's why the lines get blurred.
Speaker: And shit like this happens.
Speaker: And it's weird, man.
Speaker: It's just really weird.
Speaker: Because who would have thought?
Speaker: That's what's interesting about the verbiage of the lawsuit is that it says we felt as if our employment would be jeopardized if we did not go out.
Speaker: So nothing was explicitly said to them before that outing.
Speaker: Well, I think it's... There's probably that... Being in this... You and I, because we've come from...
Speaker: the performing world, it makes sense, right?
Speaker: Like it completely makes sense.
Speaker: And something else, I saw a TikTok a while ago and it was this girl just saying like, I'm not giving an opinion on the Lizzo situation, but all I'm saying is if I knew you could sue for those things, I would have sued a lot of non-union theaters by now.
Speaker: Well, exactly.
Speaker: And especially in the dance world, like, come on.
Speaker: So maybe this needs to be a bigger conversation instead of let's crucify Lizzo.
Speaker: Like, let's have the bigger conversation.
Speaker: about the pressure artists feel that there's only one way for them to make it there's only you have to say yes to everything yes otherwise you're gonna miss your shot and guess what you're replaceable because how many times do actors and artists and musicians get told that they get told that all the time that you're replaceable you know so and i'm not saying that lizzo said that or if it was just a perception or a feeling or whatever but
Speaker: There is a pressure that I think needs to be addressed.
Speaker: And I mean, if I were like a super PR person, that's the spin that I would do.
Speaker: If I were Lizzo's PR person, I'd be like, let's flip the conversation on how particularly women in the industry are pressured to say yes to everything and are told very early on how disposable they are and how, you know, they're not valued because they're easily replaceable.
Speaker: Anyhow, if I were in my other life as a PR professional, I feel like you should just like email her lawyer right now and tell him.
Speaker: Hey girl.
Speaker: I know how we can make this positive.
Speaker: I feel like also, you know, cause I watched, cause we watched the show.
Speaker: We watched the show and I,
Speaker: I loved that show because I wanted to be a big girl from watching that show.
Speaker: You know, it's like, it's like everything you want.
Speaker: And then when it doesn't turn out that way, right.
Speaker: You might panic.
Speaker: Like, I feel like a lot of this, I've just shocked, like, like, I'm just shocked with the legal maneuver here.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: It's weird.
Speaker: I don't understand.
Speaker: Because they loved her.
Speaker: They loved her.
Speaker: But that's why.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So I was telling Gia before we started that two days ago or yesterday, Lizzo is now planning to sue them back.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I didn't know that.
Speaker: I didn't see that.
Speaker: But.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So basically in this report, it's also showed because she has pictures of
Speaker: Of them at the, well, they didn't say, but it's Crazy Horse in Paris where the women dance topless.
Speaker: And they were backstage.
Speaker: I mean, they weren't topless in the picture of the girls, but her dancers were backstage with these performers and they all looked happy and whatever.
Speaker: And then the other thing they're saying is that, well, they, after the incident in February happened, they agreed to do more shows after.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But then what happened from what I've read is that then that weird
Speaker: Vibes were happening and then that weird altercation happened.
Speaker: Yeah, where Lizzo was like said you can you're fired or whatever that was and then the other girl Quit in like they quit in like solidarity where like she almost got in a fight with one of them wish yes that I just need to point out that I have never in my life heard someone say the phrase balling their fists
Speaker: Just say I'm just to devil's advocate for a moment when I've been in like heated situations that I've thought might turn into a fight.
Speaker: I've never or even observed them.
Speaker: I wouldn't describe it as, oh, yeah, she was balling up her fist and cracking her knuckles like this.
Speaker: Just it seems like a very kind of almost dated situation.
Speaker: way to describe a situation?
Speaker: Am I, I might be the only person.
Speaker: I think you might be the only one because I can picture Lizzo doing that.
Speaker: I have never heard the falling fist.
Speaker: That makes me think of like Arthur, like the mean of Arthur.
Speaker: That's how the girl described it.
Speaker: But what she meant, she did the motion and I felt like she probably wanted to fight because I can see that.
Speaker: I can see that in that situation, like that she was getting defensive.
Speaker: No, no, no.
Speaker: I'm not saying that I can't see the situation.
Speaker: I'm saying I've never heard someone describe a fight that way.
Speaker: And I myself have never described a fight that way, just in terms of cracking knuckles and balling fists.
Speaker: Like, I don't think the lawyer gave her that line.
Speaker: I think I think it was a I think.
Speaker: It just doesn't feel very like.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Authentic.
Speaker: I think.
Speaker: OK.
Speaker: Like if they were saying like she was bucking up to her.
Speaker: But that's not again, that's not professional legal talk.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Because they said that she had to be held back.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, I read that part.
Speaker: But to me, like if I'm describing a fight, I'd be like, oh, yeah, she was getting all up in her face and she was like bumping chest and bucking up to her.
Speaker: It's just, I've personally, I've never used the phrase balling, balling fists.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Ever, ever.
Speaker: Even in describing the fight.
Speaker: Same, same, but I, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I might, I, yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I could just, I, I, I am an idiot.
Speaker: I could just be, it's, it's only my own experience that I can talk from.
Speaker: So, um, I've been in like two fights ever, um,
Speaker: One was when I was like in the sixth grade and this kid was making fun of my brother and I ran up and I said, my brother's smarter than you'll ever be.
Speaker: And I did a swung on this big tall boy.
Speaker: And what happened?
Speaker: My mom got called.
Speaker: Did he hit you back?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Oh, thank God.
Speaker: He was like stunned.
Speaker: He's also much taller than me.
Speaker: And then the second time was like in college outside of this pizza place.
Speaker: And that was just a more like I like shoved a guy's face because he was like trying to fight my friend.
Speaker: OK.
Speaker: And I like got in the middle and I like shoved his face with my hand.
Speaker: But again, you know, I didn't.
Speaker: I wouldn't describe even that guy when he was like getting ready to like try to fight as like he was bawling his fists.
Speaker: But again, maybe I just have a weird aversion to that phrase.
Speaker: I think you might.
Speaker: I mean, I didn't even think about it.
Speaker: I think it makes me think of, you know, the Arthur meme.
Speaker: The Arthur meme of Arthur, the cartoon, squeezing his fists.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: And he's like, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I'll send it to you.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: If you're listening to this, if you're listening to this, do you know the Arthur meme of him squeezing his fist?
Speaker: But anyhow, I also do think there's something to be said again.
Speaker: None of this is me excusing these actions.
Speaker: I just feel like there's a lot of different angles to explore this from.
Speaker: Cause I also think nudity in Europe is,
Speaker: is a way different ballgame than nudity in the US.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: And, and, and Americans feeling uncomfortable with nudity in Europe is kind of, you know,
Speaker: Because of we're in such a like.
Speaker: Puritanical.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Puritanical culture in the U.S. Where it's like, oh, God, a nipple.
Speaker: Whereas Europe, you know, they're not like that.
Speaker: And I mean, I've been to the red light district in Amsterdam.
Speaker: Shit's wild.
Speaker: They got like.
Speaker: It's just a wild time.
Speaker: And even my mom, you know, because when I went to Amsterdam, I was not I was not of age.
Speaker: But like we walked through during the day.
Speaker: And then my parents went out that night and they didn't bring us Lemos.
Speaker: But my mom, even when this Lizzo thing broke, she talked about how like when they were in the red light district and there was this group of like a bachelor party and how all of them were like pushing the groom like into this, into the naked chick's face essentially.
Speaker: And they were all being like, come on, man, come on.
Speaker: And my mom was like, that's the situation I thought of immediately when this broke.
Speaker: So I do think there's a small cultural element that's worth discussing of, you know, where did your discomfort come from your employer or did your discomfort come from the environment?
Speaker: Was one in, you know, was one weighed more than the other?
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Just devil's advocating a little bit there.
Speaker: Because there's, you know, I would never go to a nude beach myself.
Speaker: But I know a lot of people do.
Speaker: But that's my own insecurity, right?
Speaker: Like, I wouldn't go to a nude beach because I'm like, I would never do it.
Speaker: But I know there's some people who would be like, oh, nude beaches, you're all going to hell.
Speaker: Well, listen, if I heard... Okay, listen.
Speaker: If I heard that we're... Hey, guys, we're going out after the show and we're going to go to a place where these fucking strippers put bananas in their vaginas and you eat them out of the vagina.
Speaker: You eat the banana out of the vagina.
Speaker: I would be like, I don't think I'm going to go to that because that doesn't sound like my jam.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like, that's what...
Speaker: I don't want to blame age or experience.
Speaker: I just want to say that it is a learning experience.
Speaker: There's so many factors.
Speaker: And when you're young.
Speaker: It's so hard.
Speaker: You're with a big star on tour.
Speaker: Like you're going to say yes.
Speaker: That's very.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: It's.
Speaker: Again, I think.
Speaker: Hopefully, you know, if anything positive comes out of this lawsuit at all, it is the starting of that conversation of like how pressured young people feel in those environments.
Speaker: But also, like, let's add the fact that they are all plus size women in the entertainment industry.
Speaker: When's another opportunity going to come along for them if not with Lizzo?
Speaker: Which is why it was like shocking to see the lawsuit about it.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Like to see that in the body, the body shaming stuff is what kind of like broke my arm more than anything.
Speaker: And it's like, was it about costumes?
Speaker: Was it because I've I've seen her in concert and like those bitches be moving.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: They be moving the whole time.
Speaker: That makes me think of another funny TikTok I saw where this chick was like, she was saying the same thing.
Speaker: She was like, why do you all assume that Lizzo has to be nice to you?
Speaker: She's a, she's like, you forget she's a fat bitch.
Speaker: She's a fat bitch who did.
Speaker: It was Yamanika.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And she goes, she dances all the time.
Speaker: She's moving all the time and she's still a fat bitch.
Speaker: I'd be upset too.
Speaker: I'd be mean too.
Speaker: And again, it's just,
Speaker: Yeah, it's like we need to be very careful of how we idolize people.
Speaker: And it's like, are we feeling disappointment?
Speaker: Like, where's our disappointment coming from?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know, I think about Chris Brown and how Chris Brown still has...
Speaker: A million and one followers and people.
Speaker: His career was not affected really that much at all.
Speaker: And there was a video of him beating the shit out of Rihanna.
Speaker: Disgusting.
Speaker: Like there was actual evidence, you know, and that's not to say that these, you know, this lawsuit doesn't have evidence, but there was irrefutable proof.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And this man's career wasn't affected and we don't talk about it anymore.
Speaker: So, you know, it's like we need to really ask ourselves why certain things are inexcusable from certain people and why other things we're like, oh, it's okay.
Speaker: And then that's where we have the misogyny coming in, walking hand in hand.
Speaker: I'm talking a lot.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: No, please.
Speaker: The, I never liked Chris Brown.
Speaker: Just not my thing.
Speaker: And then that happened.
Speaker: I was like, bitch.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: And nobody cared.
Speaker: I'm like, I remember seeing that that happened.
Speaker: And then a couple minutes passed.
Speaker: And then he was like on the VMAs again or some shit.
Speaker: And I'm like, I'm sorry.
Speaker: I thought he beat Rihanna up and we had a picture of that.
Speaker: What's going on?
Speaker: Why are people cheering for this guy?
Speaker: I literally thought that.
Speaker: Well, and it's because they're willing to excuse that.
Speaker: Whereas there are so many people in the world, I feel.
Speaker: And this is where the fat phobia comes into play.
Speaker: Like, I feel like people have been chomping at the bit waiting for her to screw up.
Speaker: They have been waiting for this moment, because if you go through and look at like her Instagram comments, it's so much fat phobia.
Speaker: And it's like this isn't about.
Speaker: And it's like people want to be like, ha ha, gotcha.
Speaker: Gotcha, fat girl.
Speaker: We have you now.
Speaker: One false move.
Speaker: Now I can say, keep eating, bitch.
Speaker: To me, it's like, okay, so Lizzo, like many people in Hollywood, is a shitty person.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Like, you know, it's not, it's...
Speaker: As if there's no shitty people in Hollywood, as if people haven't clawed their way to the top and lost a little bit of their soul in the process.
Speaker: Like, come the fuck on.
Speaker: That's the story because, I mean, that's why, you know, I'm 41.
Speaker: Age alert.
Speaker: I said it again.
Speaker: I'm 41 and, you know, it's taken me so long to even...
Speaker: I could know, like I wanted to be Eliza, right?
Speaker: I wanted to be these people I idolized.
Speaker: Well, before it was different people.
Speaker: But it's like you do have to, you can't be a fucking angel, right?
Speaker: Like you have to get in the dirt and get gritty, okay?
Speaker: You have to get gritty with that, as I like to say, because it's a business, right?
Speaker: And it's not all like we want to make it all rainbows and fucking angels and shit, which, you know, I'm there.
Speaker: I'm a fucking I love that shit.
Speaker: Like I want everybody to hold hands and you know, like I love that's why I love theater because we're all like kumbaya.
Speaker: But this is the fucking music industry.
Speaker: And she's there to make money in addition to putting her work out.
Speaker: And this is what happened.
Speaker: Like, people can't be perfect.
Speaker: And sorry, Lizzo, you fucked up a little bit.
Speaker: And now everybody's got a fucking target on your back because you're a woman.
Speaker: First off, because you're a woman.
Speaker: I honestly believe it's the woman first.
Speaker: The one number one top thing.
Speaker: Ding, ding, ding.
Speaker: So, I don't know.
Speaker: Well, and another thing that's like pointed out in the lawsuit that I'm just curious about is like the body shaming comments because they don't really go into too much detail.
Speaker: It's just like that comments were made that they gained weight.
Speaker: And I'm like, okay, well, was that in relation to coming from a theater, you know, coming from an actor perspective?
Speaker: Was that in relation to costumes?
Speaker: Interesting.
Speaker: Because, you know, if that's the case, well, then, and I'm not saying it's right.
Speaker: It is shitty.
Speaker: But I genuinely have not gotten jobs before because I didn't fit the pre-made costumes.
Speaker: Because it's about, it's a money game.
Speaker: It's a business.
Speaker: So if the comments were made about, you know, well, you're not going to fit in your costume anymore and that's going to cost us X amount more dollars.
Speaker: Well, I don't know.
Speaker: And it's just, there's just so much...
Speaker: That I want to know.
Speaker: Me too.
Speaker: I want to know more.
Speaker: I want to know the nitty gritty.
Speaker: And I feel like there might be a reason we're not getting the nitty gritty of like those details of that conversation.
Speaker: What do you think it could be?
Speaker: Like, what do you think it could, like, what do you mean?
Speaker: Like I just said, I feel like maybe someone went to costume fitting.
Speaker: Like, okay.
Speaker: For example, when I did, when I did hairspray for the first time,
Speaker: And I went to my costume fitting playing Tracy, right?
Speaker: Playing the fat girl.
Speaker: And I said something like I put on a shirt and she asked me, how does it feel?
Speaker: So like I, you know, I'm 19 years old and I'm like, OK, she's asking how Gia feels.
Speaker: So, well, I feel like it's a little boxy.
Speaker: And she goes, well, she's a boxy girl.
Speaker: You're supposed to be boxy.
Speaker: Um, and so it's like, customers say fucked up shit all the time.
Speaker: So that's just, that's a single theory I have.
Speaker: It could be completely wrong.
Speaker: Um, yeah, like I said, I just want to know more.
Speaker: I just, I want to, I feel like, you know, we cherry picked some, like, I do feel like the body shaming thing was like, I think the goal of
Speaker: The media smear is to make her look like a hypocrite.
Speaker: And maybe she is.
Speaker: Uh-huh.
Speaker: But I do think that's the legal angle.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And I... The costume thing sounds like a really... Like, that might be the thing.
Speaker: Because I was... Like, because then I was reading something and they're like... Yeah, if you work for Lizzo... If you're one of Lizzo's dancers...
Speaker: you can't be fatter than her.
Speaker: Apparently like that's what they like were going off of with the lawsuit.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Cause of the comments.
Speaker: But it's like, I know for a fact, some of those other girls are bigger.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Cause we see them and they were on the, some of them were on the show.
Speaker: And it's also just, again, uh,
Speaker: The cognitive dissonance of the world in that, guess what?
Speaker: Fat people have fat on different parts of their bodies and you could be the same fucking weight as someone and look completely different.
Speaker: Because like, okay, my tits are 22 pounds.
Speaker: I've weighed them before because I was really bored during COVID.
Speaker: And my brother has a lot of lizards.
Speaker: And so he has one of those like tiny scales.
Speaker: And so I literally popped each tit, popped each tit on the little tiny scale.
Speaker: Uh-huh.
Speaker: They're each 11 pounds.
Speaker: So, you know, how does your back feel?
Speaker: It's not good, Christine.
Speaker: Not fucking good.
Speaker: She hurts all the time.
Speaker: I feel like my boobs are lightweight, but they're huge.
Speaker: Anyway, continue.
Speaker: Well, and see, that's a different, again, I've been doing, you know, I've been doing my chest presses for many, many years to make sure they do not.
Speaker: Oh shit.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: But, um,
Speaker: Point being, I have all titty, right?
Speaker: And, like, my butt, there's not a lot to write home about.
Speaker: She's there, but she ain't, like, a dump truck, right?
Speaker: But I have belly, too, as opposed to someone who has small tits, a smaller waist, a slightly flatter stomach, and huge hips and thighs and ass.
Speaker: And it's, like, people don't understand that, like, so...
Speaker: Lizzo's dancers could be on a scale the same weight as her and look completely different.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And that's genetics.
Speaker: That's biology.
Speaker: That's a gazillion things.
Speaker: And I just a comment like that, like you just said, like, oh, you can't be Lizzo's backup dancer if you're fatter than her.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like it just shows how fucking ignorant people are.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Basic, basic science.
Speaker: Just basic biology.
Speaker: People don't have enough critical thinking skills to think about.
Speaker: I mean, the fashion industry too.
Speaker: Because I think about that, which is what's so nice when you finally, as a fat person, when you finally get a costume made for you.
Speaker: Because we never get that, right?
Speaker: Because when I...
Speaker: uh worked at madewell and like they had their plus size line i was like these aren't gonna fit me because like you don't have any plus petites um and my legs are short as shit so like it might fit my hips and thighs but that's it um and sim like the second story i have in my brain is like a juxtaposing situation where i worked uh at a theater i worked at milwaukee repertory theater and
Speaker: And we were doing the Man of La Mancha and they were like, you know what?
Speaker: We're going to make you a corset because you have the perfect corset body.
Speaker: And so I got like my own corset because I actually had like the right body for one.
Speaker: And I was laced up in that fucker every night.
Speaker: But like the difference between having something made for you and having to fit into something wildly different experiences and stuff.
Speaker: You know, but also like it costs money.
Speaker: It costs that theater money they had to set aside to make me a corset as opposed to put me in one they already had.
Speaker: So that's, I don't know.
Speaker: I feel like I've gone off track here.
Speaker: No, I get what you're saying because these are kind of extenuating circumstances that might be going on that won't.
Speaker: you know, people are kind of trying to spin it in the negative for Lizzo with the comments because the one thing she, cause that's the thing she preaches.
Speaker: So if we could get that out there, that's where, that's where I start being like, bitch.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You were helping me heal and now you're, and now you're fucking going against it.
Speaker: Do you think you would feel that way if you had other fat people in the entertainment to look at?
Speaker: No, because listen to this.
Speaker: I literally, I have been like trying to figure out some like wall art for my apartment.
Speaker: And I was like, I want, I feel like I need a Lizzo, a Lizzo thing, like something with Lizzo on it.
Speaker: And then literally this happened.
Speaker: And I was like, I'm glad I didn't like make an alter to Lizzo.
Speaker: I mean, not like, I actually, I'm going to get over it.
Speaker: See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker: I don't, honestly, I still love Lizzo.
Speaker: But I'm very conflicted, as we've been saying.
Speaker: Yeah, no, it's hard.
Speaker: It's like I want to I want to excuse her.
Speaker: Like it's so much of me wants to be like, no, it's not true.
Speaker: Like so much of me wants to rationalize this.
Speaker: And then.
Speaker: At least my feeling is it's like, no, but you have a responsibility.
Speaker: Look at this from all angles and I'd be lying to you.
Speaker: If I told you that like part of that stemmed from I don't want to be on the wrong side of the fatties.
Speaker: Like part of me like feels pressure to be unbiased.
Speaker: Because if I just stuck by her side, I feel like –
Speaker: Then then then am I next, you know, like that's that's kind of where my brain, my anxiety spiral goes is, well, if it's this, you know, if I defend Lizzo at all, then it's going to be easy for people to crucify me, too.
Speaker: It's going to you know, I'm going to be in these conversations.
Speaker: Oh, gee, you just think that because you're fat, too.
Speaker: See, that's my deepest fear.
Speaker: this is the scarcity mindset that people that have been oppressed forever have in the back of their mind at all times is like, I can't make a one false, one bad thing.
Speaker: And I'm fucked.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I do.
Speaker: If I act like a human being for five seconds and that is, and we know like people like Lizzo that are in the spotlight like this, it is hard because your every move is criticized or it's, it's watched and,
Speaker: when you're one of, when you're like an, like, let's say she's an original, right?
Speaker: I mean, I can't, I don't, in our generation or our, yeah, our generation, like who other fat black bitch was dancing like that and doing shit like that?
Speaker: She does.
Speaker: I don't even, I can't even name one.
Speaker: Because I can talk about rap.
Speaker: I can talk about back in the day, Salt-N-Pepa.
Speaker: They were rapping.
Speaker: They were cool, whatever.
Speaker: Aretha Franklin was obviously like a queen.
Speaker: But this is like a whole different thing to me.
Speaker: Like Lizzo made her own thing.
Speaker: Well, and Christine, and again, I do think the sexuality thing is the difference.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: You know what?
Speaker: It's true.
Speaker: We have never had.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: An openly sexual fat person in the media.
Speaker: And I do think that's why people hate her so much.
Speaker: It's I don't think it's because she's fat.
Speaker: I think it's because she's fat and sexy.
Speaker: I think you're right.
Speaker: And it's like, how dare you?
Speaker: How dare you go against what the world has told you you are?
Speaker: Because I get it too.
Speaker: I get the comments all the time too, right?
Speaker: Where if I post a video on TikTok where I simply am like, I think I look good today.
Speaker: I'll get a comment that's like, no, it's time to hit the gym.
Speaker: Like, I couldn't, I could be talking about nothing.
Speaker: I could, I could be like, the sky is blue and I feel happy.
Speaker: And some fucking hater is going to be like, no fatty, try again.
Speaker: Like, and it's always, it's this idea of,
Speaker: A fat person liking themselves in and of itself is an act of rebellion.
Speaker: And that's what we're not talking about enough in terms of like the media scrutiny around this and the actual crux of fat phobia is that.
Speaker: And so much of it is like what I want to say to people is like, well, just because you wouldn't like yourself if you looked like me doesn't mean that I have to fall in line.
Speaker: But yeah, it's... See, and that's... You're 100% correct, I feel like.
Speaker: And because for me, okay, Lizzo is the first person that I'm like, wow, this bitch is showing everything.
Speaker: And she's happy about it.
Speaker: And for me, I still have my own fat phobia going on with my body issues.
Speaker: And I'm like...
Speaker: i want to feel sexy again and it's like i don't know how i'm supposed to do that when i'm not a certain size like i still think like that i'm still working through it but like that is what the surprise is with lizzo that not only was she doing all this other stuff writing songs singing them rapping doing whatever she's doing in her videos then
Speaker: This bitch is posting like her and her Yiddy and her, you know, her and her bikinis and like being like, yeah, bitch, I'm fucking sexy.
Speaker: And it's like it was for me as as the age I am.
Speaker: It's crazy.
Speaker: Like, it's crazy.
Speaker: Like, I couldn't believe it when it was happening.
Speaker: I still can't believe it, to be honest.
Speaker: But like it was giving me strength to work through my body issues.
Speaker: So that's why it sucks so bad.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: This has happened because it's like I was you were helping me Lizzo like you were giving me strength and it's not like she's not going to give me strength anymore.
Speaker: I think this is going to honestly I think this is going to pass because me too.
Speaker: I I'm not going to I'm not going to like fully like give up on on on her like she's done too much good for me.
Speaker: I'm not going to fully give up on Lizzo, but.
Speaker: I would like to see a little accountability for what she, what they're saying about what she did.
Speaker: I would like to see a little bit.
Speaker: I mean, but how do you know, again, devil's advocate.
Speaker: That it happened.
Speaker: She's being advised by a lawyer every step of the way.
Speaker: how do you know that she hasn't privately taken accountability?
Speaker: Like there's just so much we don't know and that we feel entitled to.
Speaker: And I think that's a little fucked up because we put her on this pedestal she didn't ask to be on.
Speaker: And now we're feeling entitled to hear a certain apology, hear certain things.
Speaker: And it's like, she probably is afraid to say anything.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: without a lawyer present because if she takes any ounce of accountability, their lawyer could take it and spin it.
Speaker: So like her hands currently are most likely tied.
Speaker: But that's not for us to say that there's been no accountability.
Speaker: I don't think that's necessarily there.
Speaker: I don't think we're even too there.
Speaker: We're not even there yet.
Speaker: I mean, it's just- No.
Speaker: We're not close to that even being a thing.
Speaker: But I do think it's like, it's, I don't know, part of my like giant empath self is just like,
Speaker: How unfair of us a little bit to demand these things from one person that none of us know.
Speaker: And see, my empath self is clinging on to little Ariana Davis for some reason.
Speaker: I just...
Speaker: Because I saw her gaining the weight.
Speaker: I saw her gaining the weight.
Speaker: I could tell she gained a lot of weight.
Speaker: And so then this is going on.
Speaker: I mean, I wish they would have just... The thing for me is, did they try... I wonder if they tried... I know we're all speculation.
Speaker: I wonder if they did try to like behind the scenes go to Lizzo with this.
Speaker: And then she was like, I'm not doing anything with that.
Speaker: And then that's why they sued her.
Speaker: See, this is why it's like...
Speaker: It's the, what can we call it?
Speaker: It's the thing that broke the plus size women's back.
Speaker: The plus size camel's back.
Speaker: Well, and that's the thing too.
Speaker: And that's kind of why I feel like this lawsuit isn't necessarily super strong because in Lizzo's countersuit, because they used so much feeling, feeling words, she can do it right back.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And then we're just in this, she said, she said of, well, I felt this way and I felt this way.
Speaker: And then, oh, let's all settle and sweep this under the rug.
Speaker: Because laws about tangible or innocence and guilt, right?
Speaker: Yes, but you have to have evidence.
Speaker: Yeah, it is irrefutable proof.
Speaker: And even
Speaker: To me, innocence isn't freedom of any wrongdoing.
Speaker: It's just not enough proof.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: You know, when someone's ruled innocent in a court of law, it doesn't mean they didn't do anything wrong all the time.
Speaker: You know, it just means there wasn't enough evidence.
Speaker: So something worth thinking about.
Speaker: I just started laughing because I thought about O.J.
Speaker: Simpson.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And there was so much evidence.
Speaker: That was so fucking crazy.
Speaker: I'm sorry.
Speaker: I mean, there's been so much shit in Hollywood in the media.
Speaker: Like this, I genuinely like, if you were to ask me, knee jerk, do you think this is going to ruin the zone?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: I think this is, especially because we are in this culture of a mile a minute.
Speaker: Every day there's a new fucking story.
Speaker: And you bet your ass that those lawyers are counting on that.
Speaker: We're all going to forget that just like every who's still talking about Will Smith slapping Chris Rock.
Speaker: Nobody, nobody, nobody's talking about anymore.
Speaker: It's done.
Speaker: He's in the clear now.
Speaker: What was his, he had a movie come out like, Oh yeah.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: Um, so I, you know, it's that, that culture of a mile a minute news, but also we're in this culture of, we want instant gratification at the same time.
Speaker: So we demand a proper response and a proper, and it's just like,
Speaker: would we be wanting these things from her?
Speaker: Like I think about, this is a terrible metaphor because he would never do this because he is America's ass.
Speaker: But like, if it came out that Chris Evans was like cheating on his girlfriend, right?
Speaker: Or worse, like let's say Chris Evans like was embezzling from all these like dog charities that he helps, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like something, oh, not Chris Evans.
Speaker: He's a good one.
Speaker: He is a good one.
Speaker: That's why I'm using him.
Speaker: That's why I'm using him.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Like let's use like our white shining hope.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Would we, would we,
Speaker: Would it pass, you know, for Chris Evans?
Speaker: Or would we find another?
Speaker: What does it say in, it's one Avengers movie where they go to Wakanda and they're like, did you bring me another broken white boy to fix?
Speaker: It's like, would it pass or would society find another broken white boy to fix?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just think it's this perfect storm of a fat woman of color who dares to like herself did something wrong.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: And we are not like, it is not innocent till proven guilty in this situation at all.
Speaker: People jumped to have their opinions.
Speaker: We jumped to being sad and disappointed immediately.
Speaker: So it's not the same standard.
Speaker: And it's directly because she's fat and sex and sexy.
Speaker: Like, and I think, you know, any critical thinking human should acknowledge that at the very least.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just, I just saw it.
Speaker: But at my core, I'm just fucking sad.
Speaker: I'm just fucking sad.
Speaker: Cause I saw that concert and I cried and like,
Speaker: I just feel like she was just getting started.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I genuinely.
Speaker: Her acceptance speech at the Grammys.
Speaker: I was like, I was like, and it's, yeah, it's just, is her entire image a lie?
Speaker: Like, is everything she's ever put out there a lie?
Speaker: Like it,
Speaker: I can't believe that.
Speaker: It can't be because.
Speaker: No way.
Speaker: What fat person, like every fat, but, and that's the thing too.
Speaker: It's like every fat person has internalized fat phobia because everyone does.
Speaker: So we're going to criticize the fat person for saying something fat phobic.
Speaker: Why don't we criticize everyone else for saying something fat phobic?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Everybody else gets to say whatever the fuck they want to fat people.
Speaker: But fat people can't say serious to other fat people.
Speaker: What the fuck's that about?
Speaker: It's just there's so many layers.
Speaker: It's like an ogre.
Speaker: It's like...
Speaker: We could keep I mean, honestly, if we're going to talk in circles about this, because I know there's no answer right now.
Speaker: It sucks.
Speaker: It really sucks.
Speaker: It sucks for her.
Speaker: It sucks for the people that are the victims.
Speaker: I did quotes because I don't know.
Speaker: And it sucks because I do want to believe all victims.
Speaker: I do want to believe all women.
Speaker: And now we got women against women.
Speaker: And I'm like, bitch, I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: And the sad thing, it's just... But that's, like, the whole thing where it's, like, there's your story, their story, and the truth.
Speaker: That kind of thing where it's, like, we weren't there.
Speaker: We don't know what happened.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You have to make your own educated decisions going forward.
Speaker: But the disappointment we all feel in the sadness is the only real thing that there is here.
Speaker: It is sad.
Speaker: It's just fucking, it's sad.
Speaker: And it's like, I feel like this is going to, my biggest fear is that this is going to set back fat women in entertainment.
Speaker: Well, in relation to that, lately, there's a lot going on.
Speaker: like the skinny era is back and that's, it like feels like another hit because that's been going around too is like, nobody cares about body positivity anymore.
Speaker: And people are trying, people that were like fat influencers are trying to lose weight now and I was picking all that bullshit.
Speaker: And it's like, this was like one of the, like Lizzo was on that pedestal and it's like, she's still doing it.
Speaker: And it's like, now this just happened.
Speaker: And so it just feels like,
Speaker: Fat people are getting hit all the time.
Speaker: Well, yeah, that's the thing too.
Speaker: It's like we've never had a fat person in media who has stayed fat.
Speaker: Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Like Rebel Wilson lost weight.
Speaker: Like it's it's all these.
Speaker: Adele.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, another thing, another thing that I just thought of, of how we like.
Speaker: To me, when I see a fat woman in media doing something like my standard is already very high and that's completely unfair of me to do, but it's just because I'm so excited for it, because I have you watched Survival of the Thickest yet?
Speaker: Yes, I love it.
Speaker: I watched the whole thing.
Speaker: You loved it?
Speaker: I love Michelle Bateau.
Speaker: I love Michelle Bateau.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: I love her.
Speaker: The show as a whole.
Speaker: Tell me.
Speaker: The writing, the writing of the show, Christine.
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: You didn't like it?
Speaker: I just thought a lot of it was forced.
Speaker: I thought a lot of the relationships were forced.
Speaker: I loved her.
Speaker: I loved the show.
Speaker: You're right.
Speaker: I mean, I wanted to believe in the fantasy.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: But from an actual storytelling perspective, I'm
Speaker: There was some, and I was just like, oh man, like I want to be obsessed with it.
Speaker: I want to love it.
Speaker: But to me, a lot of the relationships felt forced in the show.
Speaker: And the only good thing about the show was her.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: You know, and what she was doing, you know?
Speaker: And, you know, I thought when the show really honed in on her experiences and her own things, um,
Speaker: I loved it, but I almost like didn't want the relationship with the Italian guy or any of that.
Speaker: Like I thought that was super forced.
Speaker: Me too.
Speaker: Honestly, me too, because it's weird.
Speaker: It's like, wait a minute.
Speaker: You just got free from an asshole.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And now you're going to just be swept away by some random Italian guy you meet out.
Speaker: Which would be fine if like storytelling-wise.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Storytelling wise, it just didn't really make a lot of sense.
Speaker: It just went from zero to 60.
Speaker: But my point being like, I was so bummed out.
Speaker: I was so bummed out because I'm like, whenever a fat person is allowed to be in the media, it has to hit.
Speaker: It has to be a success because that's how it feels.
Speaker: Like, because it's like, if it fails, well, they can just immediately be like, well, it's because, you know, fat people don't sell.
Speaker: That's it.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: As opposed to like, it just wasn't really good writing.
Speaker: As opposed to like all the other shit ass shows on Netflix that have gotten a million different seasons.
Speaker: What's that show?
Speaker: Like Manifest.
Speaker: I watch that show Manifest.
Speaker: It has so many seasons.
Speaker: It's bad.
Speaker: It's not good.
Speaker: Well, you know what?
Speaker: It's funny because I was just fully entrenched in the fantasy of that show.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: I actually... Well, and I still watched it.
Speaker: No, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker: Like, I felt like it made me feel hopeful and happy.
Speaker: Like, crazy things could happen.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Well, and that's a different... They could have been a fat people.
Speaker: Again, that was just mine.
Speaker: But also, she was with that hot guy first, and then she got another guy that would... Yeah.
Speaker: Quote, unquote, hot.
Speaker: Well, I almost like... I don't know.
Speaker: It's like I almost wanted...
Speaker: I just want to show where it's like, why can't she be with a super hot guy the whole time?
Speaker: And nothing in the show has anything to do with weight at all.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I know we're a long way off.
Speaker: Maybe they were playing it safe because they wanted a second season.
Speaker: And hopefully if I think they are getting a second season, it will be better.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: For you and your point of view, because I didn't mind.
Speaker: I was entrenched in the fantasy.
Speaker: I actually loved her best friend.
Speaker: Tone Bell plays the best for her.
Speaker: That guy.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I loved I liked that whole story thing going on.
Speaker: You know, it's one of those shows for me where it's like kind of just escapist where I don't have to think a lot.
Speaker: But I get it.
Speaker: It's like if you're going to be if we're going to talk about an experience of a fat woman in this industry, especially she plays a stylist.
Speaker: You would think more would be going on.
Speaker: Well, and that's what I thought was the most powerful scene in that show was when she's styling the chick, the rich chick.
Speaker: And she's like, I'm going to make something that fits your body.
Speaker: Like, I thought that was the most powerful part of the whole fucking show.
Speaker: It's like it got lost.
Speaker: I get what you're saying.
Speaker: It's like got lost with that storyline.
Speaker: But that happens with a lot of Netflix shows, I feel like.
Speaker: Just in general, I feel like a lot of these like little 20 minute Netflix shows get muddied in trying to do too much.
Speaker: Well, let's give Michelle Bateau credit because she also has Miss Liza Krayger.
Speaker: I can't remember her last name that plays the roommate who is also plus.
Speaker: And I love her.
Speaker: She's a comedian that I follow.
Speaker: Hilarious.
Speaker: Because she's just fucking weird.
Speaker: Like we don't talk about her being fat at all.
Speaker: She's just fucking weird.
Speaker: And I love.
Speaker: Like that's the kind of stuff that I just want to see more of.
Speaker: Like I just want to see more of fat people existing.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Doing things that people do.
Speaker: But it's such a catch-22 because how do we bring attention?
Speaker: Like, how do we have fat people existing in the media without bringing attention to the fact that we don't let fat people exist in the media?
Speaker: We have to Trojan fucking horse it.
Speaker: And this is why we're all on high alert all the damn time.
Speaker: Well, I've always said it.
Speaker: I've always said it.
Speaker: Again, if I were like a producer or a PR person,
Speaker: Coming from, because I come from musical theater, right?
Speaker: I think the way to charge and horse it is you take a show that is not in any danger of closing anytime soon.
Speaker: It's very long running.
Speaker: So if Wicked put in a plus size alphabet, just to see what would happen, right?
Speaker: Because Wicked is long running.
Speaker: It's not going anywhere.
Speaker: If Hamilton...
Speaker: put in a fat bitch to play like eliza yeah because it's not going anywhere like and then we just slowly we slowly normalize fat people being in front of your face yeah having full flushed out characters and love stories um i don't know that's my idea to charge casting directors we're gonna charge the industry with my fat ass
Speaker: You want that on a shirt?
Speaker: Another shirt I added to the list.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Now we're talking about too much shit.
Speaker: So we've been talking for way too goddamn long.
Speaker: We have to go, I feel like.
Speaker: I feel like we have to end it here.
Speaker: Another day of being a fat ass bitch dealing with bullshit.
Speaker: It's basically what's going on.
Speaker: Amen, sister friend.
Speaker: Now it's time to go smoke weed.
Speaker: That's what I say.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: We got to go relax now.
Speaker: I'm going to go get some cheesy Fiesta potatoes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, we'll see y'all next time.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Bye.
