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SUMMER ROAD TRIP - Oregon & Pennsylvania
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Just a few more stops on our United States Road Trip!
Oregon (1.59 - 47.46) Faith is taking us to Springfield where the ritualistic killing of Melissa Ann Meyers took place, with the culprits having no remorse in her brutal, senseless death.
Pennsylvania
(47.47-53.26) Lisa is giving us a few random laws from the State, that will make us all scratch our heads
(53.36 - end) Lisa is telling us about the brutal murder of Troy LaFerrara by Miranda Barbour - which left a bad taste in my mouth for sure!
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Transcript
Introduction
00:00:06
Speaker
Well, hello and thanks for tuning into another episode of Twisted Tales with Lisa. Me and Faith. Me. I was really hoping to screw you up. I really thought you'd be like, and I'm Lisa. I am tired, but I'm not that tired. I don't know why, but I was driving the other day and I was like, I wonder if I just introduced her to Lisa, if she'd flow with it or if she'd be like, erm. It's possible. I'm Lisa. There's always possible. I really thought that's where I was going to go. Anyway.
00:00:34
Speaker
You can never tell. Yep, never tell, but we're here. Depends on how much sleep I've gotten that week. None. And we are ready to go-ish.
Summer Road Trip and Deadlines
00:00:43
Speaker
We are doing, we are winding down on our summer slash beginning of school year fault road trip. And we will be in Oregon. Guys, life happens, all right. Life happens. Life happens. Who hasn't missed a deadline? I know I have daily, so.
00:01:03
Speaker
You know, I started this podcast. No, that's a lie. That is a lie. I know you. So we're going to be in Oregon and Pennsylvania today. So rock, paper, scissors. Yeah, I'm going to do this one left handed. See if I can win. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I want paper, scissors, shoot. Paper, scissors, shoot. Haha. I literally just went with rock.
00:01:25
Speaker
I know. Yeah. Isn't that what you used to always go with? And I I learned I got hip to your game and then you I've got I've got to keep doing the switch of Maru. Oh, well, I'll go first. That's fine. Really like it. Yeah, I don't like it either. But, you know, family, what do you do?
00:01:42
Speaker
OK, well, this is Faith and I. I'm sorry, was I supposed to laugh? No, I didn't think so, because it got really awkwardly quiet. And then I just assumed I was just looking at the time we're all show notes here. I thought you were waiting for the audience or somebody to laugh. No, nobody was going to let everyone laugh with me. It's OK. But they did. All right.
Springfield and The Simpsons
00:01:58
Speaker
This is Faith again. And I am going to be in Oregon. I'm actually going to Springfield, Oregon, which Oregon like what's inside your body. No, Oregon like the Oregon Trail. Oh.
00:02:11
Speaker
Oregon which is sad because every time I think of the organ trail I think it Jenna cuz Jenna and I used to play organ trail back in the day when I gave you that Anyway, um cluster pressing facts we're going to Oregon and we're going to Springfield, Oregon, which is where the Creator of the Simpsons is from and where the Simpsons hometown is based off of funny enough And who do I have a doozy? This is about bark
00:02:39
Speaker
is not about Bart. This isn't some weird manipulation thing you're gonna do to me and tell me a story that's not even really real. It is not because I didn't really watch The Simpsons, but we didn't have cable growing up. I was gonna say I was like outside playing. No, we were poor. But we were we were outside playing as well. But that is where we're at. This is a true story.
Dumb Criminal Stories
00:03:05
Speaker
And you know how we say we love a dumb criminal?
00:03:07
Speaker
Every single podcast. There is a point in time, my friend, where you love a dumb criminal, but they're too dumb for their that's where we're at.
00:03:19
Speaker
like it's not funny dumb it's just like wow um no it's a little funny but it's also it's still funny it's just also wow and and that's it's not one of those like so dumb that I kind of feel bad for you no okay no this is like how do you walk and breathe air in and out without signs telling you and reminding you so all right we're gonna be in 1988 which you know
00:03:47
Speaker
Don't even say Wayback Machine. It's not. It's only 31 years. No, it's not. That's right. We were both alive. Thank you. That's not Wayback. That's basically current events. That is current events.
Parenting and Crime Media
00:03:56
Speaker
But for those of you listening who are- It's current events for those of you who have had your hips checked. Yeah, exactly. Those of you who are younger than our ancient years, late 80s, early 90s was a different time in America.
00:04:10
Speaker
This is a time where when you got off from school, you played outside until porch lights went on, and then you hurried up home before your mom yelled. No, mine was if my mom whistled, it was time to come up. Actually, my mom didn't whistle. She just hopefully stayed out all night. No, no, right? With our forts and Louisiana. I feel like my mom did it out of obligation. Yeah. Like, Oh, well, I guess they are my kids. Yeah. But I mean, it was it was a it wasn't a maybe it wasn't a safer time, but it was people kind of looked out
Era of Serial Killers
00:04:36
Speaker
for each other. True.
00:04:37
Speaker
And it was also, you know, the best part, what the best part is you could do something stupid. And it wasn't all over YouTube, Facebook. Oh my God. Or else the next day. Yep. I'm like, yeah, I'll have to swing. But you know, it was restrictions were a lot more lenient. And while there were still like kidnappings and stuff, it wasn't like literally we played outside and we would
00:04:59
Speaker
We would go like mile, at least up to a mile on our bicycle. And it wasn't a big deal. Unless you pass the Chuchi dog house, which there's a dog named Chuchi and he was a chow and he was really mean and I was terrified of him.
00:05:10
Speaker
But besides that like it was parents were a little bit more leaning I feel like because you didn't feel like you needed to Like I feel like if my kids more than like within grabbing distance someone's gonna snatch her at this point like if you don't care that I say um Just from like what I've seen back then and to now I feel like they reported more on stuff like that back then than they do now Yeah, you know what I mean like serial killers especially
00:05:34
Speaker
where we could sit here all day and like we have to google it to find it if there's anybody even suspect of being a serial killer anymore whereas back then it was like public knowledge they like the sheriffs or whoever the government would tell you hey this is what's going on there are three three crimes that have been committed all the mo's fit
00:05:53
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really think that they do that anymore. It's kind of correct. I don't know. And there's no way there's not a serial killer like people have been lunatics for years. Yeah. But but the 80s was like in the United States of America, the 80s was like the boom of serial killers. You had the Greenway Mile Killer, you had Ted Bundy, you had all those. Yeah, it was it was late 70s, early 80s where everything just started like triggering out. Yeah. But it seems like even the serial killers, I mean, it wasn't kids really.
00:06:22
Speaker
I don't know. Some of them were, but they weren't as highly public. John Wayne Gacy was the late eighties or early nineties, right? I don't remember. I don't keep dates. We haven't done a hugely popular yet. We're trying to do smaller stuff, but I tried to do the things that nobody's ever heard of. That's what, that's what means smaller, like more.
00:06:40
Speaker
obtuse or obscure or whatever. But anyway, that's what we're at. People don't need glory for crap. Yeah, we're just talking about it. Exactly. We are also, you know, kind of the satanic panic in the United States. Oh, yeah. Everything that was a cult and all. So that's kind of where we're at. And, you know, just just so you know what, what we're living in in this story. That's where we're at. Like the sum of Sam ritualistic like that whole kind of crazy. Right. Right. So June 1st, 1988.
Discovery in the Woods
00:07:10
Speaker
There's a group of kids. We don't know their age. They're younger kids, probably older elementary, younger middle school, playing in the woods.
00:07:18
Speaker
Good past. I made a summer. They are just hiking through, finding treasures. We used to do that all the time when we were kids. Yeah. And you'd find like some moldy piece of wood that, you know, especially you and you're going to keep it for years. I probably still have it in a box. They were all dinosaur bones, guys. Dinosaur bones. Yeah. Like you're building little forts. Like that's what these kids are doing. They are having a grand old time. So they're marching through the woods. There's a water treatment plant kind of close. Um, and they're just looking for stuff and they find this, this big pile of like,
00:07:48
Speaker
Brush. And so they're playing in the brush and they end up- How old are these kids? They does not say how old these kids are. They are, I said, I'm figuring older elementary, younger middle school. Okay. So old enough to like recognize what they see, right? Yes. So they've got this big huge pile of brush and they start moving like the brush around and then
00:08:14
Speaker
jackpot there's like this wood which is you can build a fort you build a fake a fake ship with it there's so much the imagination i really thought we were jumping right into a body here no those kids playing they find this wood who knows what the imagination is endless when you're a child back in those days because you didn't have phones and kids youtube and whatever to rot your brain out right back when it was pure if you will
00:08:40
Speaker
Back when when dangerous things were fun, like climbing trees till you couldn't go anymore. Yeah. Yeah. So they moved the brush, moved the wood and they run like heck because they are terrified. And while imagination is great and the wood was great, the half naked dead body was not great. OK, we were jumping right into a body, jumping right into a body. OK.
00:09:07
Speaker
So they run home to whoever's house is closest, I'm sure. There's not a lot known or publicized about the kids. Police are called. So police go out and they are called to the scene where a half naked body of a woman is found. Clothes are screwed, beaten, bruised, just mangled. So. So.
00:09:33
Speaker
The body has been severely beaten with a heavy object. The young woman was strangled around the crime scene. They were able to find a turquoise ring, a pin like like a lapel pin or a hat pin. Like, you know, you stick it like they used to. Yeah, they used to be super popular back in the day.
00:09:55
Speaker
We don't really deal with them now, but a pen, a pen for anybody else who's not from the South, a pen. That's what I'm talking about. Something that you write with. No, a pen. You're saying pen. That's I'm saying pen. Pen. I hate you anyway. And human hair matching the victim. There's no purse. There's no identification.
00:10:19
Speaker
Nothing like that. So they searched the woods trying to find any evidence of who this woman was who could have committed the murder. But at this point, not much else was found. Excuse me. The only thing that is known is that this is not an accidental death. This is not a suicide. It is a it is straightforward cold blooded murder.
00:10:41
Speaker
The autopsy would reveal that she'd been struck in the back of the head multiple times and that she died of strangulation by a solid thin item being pressed along along her throat. Postmortem showed that she was killed where she was found, but there was no evidence of sexual assault. So somebody was just angry.
00:11:07
Speaker
Looks like as the police are going through the woods, they find a makeshift vagrant camp like a homeless person. OK, a local paper there actually called it a hobo camp, which super insensitive. Right. You know, like 10 strung up people weren't so offended by things. No. Basically, there's like a piece of rope between two trees with a sheep thrown over it.
00:11:33
Speaker
type of deals, some scattered clothing, there's some cooking pots, miscellaneous, just one of them. Right. Naturally. There is also a arrangement of candles, colorful, different colored candles in a circle. And there's also a machete. Oh, OK. Just because, you know, what camp is there any like
00:12:02
Speaker
So they have no idea who this is who did it right now They're thinking probably like the homeless camp type of deal. That's really the only angle they've got So that was all on June 1st June 2nd the next day the police receive a call from Seattle a couple called their daughter and
00:12:24
Speaker
They've not been able to get in touch with their daughter for several days and they're worried about her. Her name is Melissa. She's 19 years old. Can they send a wellness check? Can they figure out what's going on? They're just worried about their daughter. So the police are thinking the same age. It's a girl. So they start asking the parents on the phone, you know, can you give me some, what does she look like? So they're trying to identify her.
00:12:49
Speaker
You know, is there any like staple that she always wore, something we could identify when we, you know, go, but she always wore turquoise rings.
00:12:58
Speaker
So they're pretty sure that, and they're pretty sure at this point that it is the same, but they say, you know, we, we're going to go do this. Yeah. We're going to go do this welfare check. Yeah. So that what they ended up doing is getting a dental record. And that did confirm that the missing girl and this, the deceased victim they have are one of the same. And that is Melissa and Myers.
00:13:22
Speaker
So Melissa was actually adopted when she was a small child. She had just moved to Eugene, Oregon from Seattle after graduating from a drug rehab program. And she was currently unemployed. Like she just moved there. They didn't really, I couldn't find any details on why she moved from Seattle. Maybe just a clean break, break away. Because if you're just getting out of rehab, you need to break from all those ties. So who knows why?
00:13:53
Speaker
No, you can't if you want to successfully move on. So, but, um, so there's no job, but she has absolutely no run-ins of the law, no known associates, nothing like that. She's just a good kid that got into some drug issues. So they go around and they find some friends, they question anybody that kind of acquaintances that know her. And they find out, found out she hung out at a local mall, which literally
00:14:20
Speaker
early 80s late 80s early 90s like your mom dropped you and your friends off the mall on a Saturday morning and she'd pick you up around dinner time right you go to the movies you go to the food court you go around all the different arcades in the mall yeah like you just hung out that's why models are dying today because small rats yeah exactly there was a whole movie about rats yeah yeah there's a title anyway I think set screen was in it
00:14:50
Speaker
So the same lovely reporter as earlier says that this mall was known for prostitution and drug pushing.
00:14:59
Speaker
So the mall is even back in the eighties, like you you throw you throw a stone in either direction in any county. Yeah. Any you're going to hit a you're going to hit cracker to hit somebody who's selling some weed. OK, exactly. And back then it's like shrooms and all kinds of stuff back then. Yeah. So so the mall was not like in a bad area, but it was in a little rougher area. And Melissa was last seen at the mall on May 30. So the day before this body fell.
00:15:32
Speaker
So the police are going at this angle, but back then there wasn't CCTV, there wasn't all this, so you can't really track movements or anything else. So they're just trying to like old, beating the pavement, talking to anybody at the mall, handing out flyers, trying to figure out what they can just figure out at this point. So they've got no leads, they have no idea what's going on.
00:15:54
Speaker
just a few short days later, literally not even a whole week, five days later on June 6th, the police get another phone call on another missing girl, 17 year old Michelle Roy. And typically when parents call and they're like, Hey, my daughter's missing. What did the police say? Run away. No. Has it only been 24 hours? Call me back. Yes. So
00:16:22
Speaker
The Springfield police did not do that. Um, they just found this 19 year old girl's body. It is the
Panic Over Missing Girls
00:16:29
Speaker
whole serial killer. So they actually took it like they go look, they're going to go look for, and they're going to go see if they can find the body. Um, five miles away from where they found Melissa's body. They do find this, this little girl, 17 on Michelle Roy. So with two bodies,
00:16:49
Speaker
of young girls being found in the woods just days apart and miles, right? Yeah. Five miles, five miles, five days. It's, it's immediately connected to the, the green river killer who is active in this area in this timeframe. Okay. Okay.
00:17:10
Speaker
and he's going after basically any woman under 60. So it's assumed and very probable that this is a green, this is a green river killers, two victims. So tips are pouring in. Questions are pouring in. People are freaking out. The sheriff's trying to calm everybody saying, Hey, just because there's dead females doesn't mean it's the serial killer. We don't have a serial killer area. Based on what we were talking about, uh, was it two weeks ago?
00:17:38
Speaker
where they confused, it was New York, New Jersey that I had done. They thought it was two active serial killers turned out to be one guy, just kind of changing his MO doing what he wanted to do. And they don't, the police departments didn't connect well back then. There wasn't like a central database. So with all these reports coming in and all these tips, there's one call that's different and the police get a call from two girls
00:18:07
Speaker
saying they think their boyfriends may have murdered Melissa. Oh, okay. So the two boys in question are 20 year old Jason Rose and 17 year old John Jones. And the girl said that they knew Melissa, they'd met her at the mall, they knew what she looked like, their boyfriends knew what she looked like. And they knew that their boyfriends obviously knew Melissa as well. And if they knew that Melissa went with their boyfriends to the woods,
00:18:38
Speaker
They told the police that Jason told his girlfriend He knew something about that Melissa girl that missing girl. He knew something and You know what? I don't just know something me and John killed her for the money So he told his girlfriend, okay The girlfriend said that Jason said that she was a high-dollar girl and they knew they could get some money off of her and
00:19:04
Speaker
What's a high dollar girl you ask? Well, she had a price on her head. This, this 19 year old nobody that just moved into town. Just got out of drug rehab was apparently got this huge bounty on her head from who knows the Colombians maybe. I don't know. You don't know, but she's got this bounty on her head. So they were going to kill her for the bounty to get the money. So he told his girlfriend, hi dollar girl. So they're loaded. Apparently. Okay. Um,
00:19:32
Speaker
They the girls also told the police that Jason and John like to play with ruined stones.
00:19:39
Speaker
Do you know what a ruined stone is? I know what ruins are, like from like ancient Egypt, the ruins, the statues, you know what I mean? Is it along those lines or? No, but yes, it's a quick history lesson. I had to Google it. I had to go deep into Google because most of the stuff was exactly what you just described, not what we're dealing with here. So ruined stones are small stones or crystals or even wood pieces, and they've got carvings in them.
00:20:09
Speaker
Yeah. And so they're kept in a little sack, they date back to the first century AD, depending on what story you or what source you look at. Some say they're from Germanic, some say they're from Scandinavian lineage. I was going to ask if it was like a druid kind of Vikings. Yeah, Vikings. Okay. And the carvings consist of 24 symbols on these stones. And they were used as a method of divination or fortune telling like, yeah,
00:20:35
Speaker
Tarot cards basically back in the day. So what they do is they would take these they'd lay out a cloth like proper whatnot but they'd lay out a cloth it was supposed to be a white cloth they take these ruins stones they'd shake them like dice however many they had they throw them on the cloth and then you'd have a book to translate what the ruins were telling you there's also different things where like you could read a ruin a day or three like a three card spread so you lay out there and it tell you about your day
00:21:02
Speaker
So it sounds very gypsy like it very gypsy like. Yes. So is it just a way of fortune telling back before we had tarot cards and that kind of thing? OK. So they they told the girls that the ruined stones, they they looked to the ruined stones and the ruined stones said they were supposed to kill Melissa or they would be dead. Naturally. Yeah. So, Joe, many positive things have ever happened.
00:21:31
Speaker
of like, sorry, hard readings and all that. You know, a lot of people believe them. I don't. But I do, but I don't I don't mess with that juju. Because it is bad juju, bad juju, bad juju. So Jones, the 17 year old John Jones told his girlfriend
00:21:54
Speaker
that they choked, this is what they did to Melissa, they choked her, kicked her in the ribs and used machetes to choke her, then gifted their girlfriends with Melissa's rings and necklaces that they found, that they stole off reports. So, John. So we have two boyfriends. Two boyfriends, two girlfriends, both telling their story. Both admitting. Basically to their girl, well that's what their girlfriends are saying.
00:22:20
Speaker
Um, supposedly Jones, the 17 year old told his girlfriend that they beat the shit out of her broker ribs and, um, choke the shit out of her with a machete. So these are the things the girlfriends are telling police.
00:22:36
Speaker
So a little background on these two boys, John Jones, the 17 year old was just about to graduate from an alternative school in town, which is if you get kicked out of your school, you get too many weed possessions, truancy, whatnot.
Suspects: Jason Rose and John Jones
00:22:48
Speaker
You go to a special school. Yeah. You have special school for problem, quote unquote problem kids.
00:22:54
Speaker
And so he was just about to graduate. No big glaring issues in his past. He was, everybody said he really honestly wasn't that bad of a kid. He was just a follower and he followed the wrong type of people. So like we always say, pick your friends wisely. On the flip side, Jason Rose, the 20 year old, some say 19, some say 20. So we'll just go 20. He was a known troublemaker.
00:23:23
Speaker
So in the past 10 months before this alone, he had been imprisoned and let go from prison three times. It was called like the matrix rule. Basically it was in prison for some kind of petty crime, but due to overcrowding and his, his offense not being let out three times in 10 months.
00:23:42
Speaker
Like they do with pedophiles like we're gonna keep the weed smoker exactly. Okay. Sorry guys He's also awaiting trial current so that's the past 10 months. He's been released three times for charges that he was convicted of He's also waiting three different counts for trial for three different counts of forgery and
00:24:03
Speaker
and he was menacing with a rifle and that charge is where he and two of his friends one had a billy club he was like 19 in 20 yeah what did he forge his parent's signature on a gym note i don't know okay so i'm just trying to wonder what kind of forgery we're talking about here um so he and two of his friends he had a rifle one of his friends had a billy club the other had nunchuck and they tried to carjack a guy
00:24:30
Speaker
So he was waiting. You gotta watch out for those nunchucks, bro. Yeah, waiting trial for that. He also pointed a gun in someone's face. At 19, 20 years old. What do they need a freaking gun for? They had nunchucks. I don't, you know. I personally would have gone for the nunchucks. His own mother currently had a restraining order against him because he threatened to kill her multiple times. His mother said that Jason was uncontrollable and into occult practices.
00:24:58
Speaker
Um, I was going to ask if anything was Wiccan related because I feel like some of the, I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't, I would not connect. We'll get into what they're into. Okay. I'm sorry. I was just wondering, you know, my thoughts on Wiccan or my thoughts on Wiccan. These guys would give the weekends a bad thing. Really? Yeah. Okay. All right. Um, he also had a severe drinking problem. So there's that as well.
00:25:23
Speaker
So not only is he unstable, but he's not sober and unstable, which makes it so much better. OK, so police obviously want you sit down with these two young men and question them naturally, especially Jason Rose Rose. Sorry, Jason Rose. But they're gone. They are supposedly on their way are in Arizona. Why would why would you think?
00:25:49
Speaker
Well, they're fleeing for a murder scene according to their girlfriends. You think in Arizona is right there by Mexico. Well, hot diggity dog skipping. Nope, that's not their dinner at all. They are on a nice summer vacation with their grandparents together.
00:26:04
Speaker
was this with the money they supposedly got from the I don't know hi muckety muck no no no no no no no lady of the night they murdered no because she wasn't a lady of the no shape no I'm so sorry I thought that when you were talking about that oh no she had a bounty by that bounty on her head my apologies high dollar lady
00:26:23
Speaker
they they were on no literally they're on vacation with their grand their grandparents have loaded them up to take them on vacation car broke down so they pull over to hotel overnight police pull up to the best western hey guys we want to talk to you come here you're under arrest nice put them in the back of the car driving back to Oregon okay so they're now in Oregon reading their Miranda rights and uh
00:26:48
Speaker
Uh, they read him their Miranda rights. This is June 10th was when they located the boys at the best Western, take him back. And Jason Rose, um, he doesn't need no lawyer. He, you know what? He's a smart as crap. He's, and he can explain this. Yeah. The police just need to listen. Right. If only. So he says, you know, of, of course we knew Melissa. We've seen her at the mall. Our girlfriends are friends with her. We know her.
00:27:18
Speaker
And you know, we don't know what happened to her. We know she died sad. Police say, eh, try again. All right. He's gonna tell the real story this time. Okay, yeah. Real story. They went on a walk, a nature walk through the woods. And it was the darndest thing. This tree branch. Oh, let me guess. No, let me guess. Let me guess. Go. All right, you ready? She fell. No. And then choked herself with a machete as she was falling.
00:27:47
Speaker
And then after the machete incident, she fell down a hill, which caused all the bruising around her. And the malicious beating was nothing more than an accident. You put way too much effort into that. No, I thought it was amazing. They're they're walking through on this nature walk, doing some leaf peeping and a tree branch. Craziest thing they've ever seen. Tree branch fell right on top of her head. Killed her. They freaked out and ran away.
00:28:11
Speaker
Right. Which explains all of the other bodily injuries that happened to her. Yeah. So please say my story was so much better. Nope. Nope. Try again. And he said, all right, here's the deal. I'm going to tell you what really happened. So we brought her to the woods because the ruins told us. It was either we kill her or she kills us. The ruins. Right. No, the ruins. They're truthful. So the ruins told us.
00:28:39
Speaker
So we were planning to kill her. And I had a long, a long stick with me. A spear, if you will. A spear. And I was gonna spear. But again, Tree Branch fell down and hit her on the head and she was almost dead. The spirits of nature just took her out and we just had to finish the job and bury her. Please say no, try again. He says, all right, I'm really telling the truth this time. I'm really, really, really, really, really telling the truth this time.
00:29:07
Speaker
We brought her the woods. You guys remember David, the gnome? Because this is where I feel like this is going. It's like, oh, Swift came, took her out from her legs and it was David, the gnome and his crew. Yeah. So it's about as believable. So this is how Jason Rose is going on and on basically just changing the story. It's getting weirder. And finally, there's, you know, the.
00:29:30
Speaker
Tap, tap, tap on the glass. Tech just sticks his head as it comes back in. They let Jason finish whatever just outlandish story he's saying. They say, here's the deal. Your buddy John Jones next door's already confessed and told us everything you guys did. So Jason's like, ah, all right. I'm caught. Let me tell you, I'm letting you in on a, you don't have the clearance to know this, but I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you.
00:29:59
Speaker
They don't have the clearance. So here's what happened. The ruins did speak to us and tell us we had to kill her or we would be dead. So we brought her to the woods and I did hit her with my spear. I hit her over the head with my spear to knock her out. And then John just went crazy.
00:30:26
Speaker
and he had his machete and he hacked her in the back of the neck twice. But here's the thing you don't know and I'm gonna let you know. We didn't have a choice because she was a black witch.
00:30:40
Speaker
If she was a white witch, the good witch, it'd have been fine, but she was a black witch, the bad witch, so. It sounds like a lot to keep up with. We were doing the world a favor through the ruins, telling us to do, this is his legit, like this is where we're at. Right. So, Jason continues to tell the police they didn't have a choice in this. Her death was a sacrifice to Aeriloc,
00:31:06
Speaker
and the ruins told them to kill her and sacrifice her to the devil on behalf of Aeriloc, which is, I guess a demon, I'm not sure, there's pictures of him, lots of different pictures. But anyway, this is the greatest sacrifice a black witch can have. It's a high honor to be sacrificed. You'll get a special seat in hell. And basically we did our favor by doing this. So they're helping. They're helping her. They're helping her.
00:31:35
Speaker
So police are like, all right, so this is. And I'm sorry, I do not mean to laugh at what this girl went through, but this is legit. The story we're going with. This is this is where we're at. So please take bozo one and bozo two out to the woods. Because neither one, a lawyer, they're both they've got pure hearts and intentions. They take them out to the woods and they say we're going to do a reenactment.
00:32:03
Speaker
So they take one, put him in the back of a cop car, I guess turn it around. So they take Jason Rose and a mannequin out to the spot of the murder and say, show us what happened. And he does. Shows him that he's got his spear and he's, you know, flipping it around. And apparently one of them went to have sex with Melissa in the bush, which lasted 45 minutes. That's some high bragging. So I'm assuming he said it was himself. I don't know.
00:32:32
Speaker
They are walking around the woods. And the deal is is that there was this this Satan follower. There was high ranking Satan follower that was a friend of Melissa's who said he was going to kill Jason because he was a necromancer very high up in the order. OK, so you're like you said, you're it's getting weird. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this is legit. This is this is all recorded. And so they were Melissa was sent to kill them and our cast a spell. She's Black Witch.
00:33:01
Speaker
He changed the story several times, but anyway, so they're walking around with her and they're trying to find this this this warlock and His name was literally like Sorry, I do not mean to laugh but just the things they say well No, like it's just weird to me because I feel like it's just this giant like and no I'm not offending and okay It's probably offensive to some people, but I feel like you're just living in a fantasy world This guy like this is like the Witcher
00:33:31
Speaker
Right. And what was it? Give me another good example, like Charmed and all these other like weird shows. But he changes his story so much that I can't think that he's I don't know. I know. But like there's one thing to do. OK, never mind. I was about to go down a rabbit hole, stay out of rabbit rabbit hole for this one.
00:33:50
Speaker
So the guy's name was like Gray Von Hossing, a lot like Van Helsing. Right. He was the warlock after him and they, he and his buddy John were going through the woods trying to find him. They both had their spears. They heard wrestling behind him. They turned around and there she was, the Black Witch. And they were pointing their spears at her. And one of them looked at the other and said, should we kill her?
00:34:14
Speaker
And then John Jones looked at Jason and was like, what? And this is on recording. John Jones looks at Jason and he's like, I don't know. Then Jason said, I told that bitch you're going to die. This is, he's telling the police this. This isn't someone saying he said, this is what he's saying he said. Wow. Okay. Yeah. And that, you know, they hit her with the, they hit her with the spears and then John whacked her in the back of the neck with a machete. He's, he's acting all this out.
00:34:43
Speaker
and she went down, but she landed face up and she was dead.
00:34:47
Speaker
Then all of a sudden she reanimated because she's a black witch and she's powerful. So she stood back up and he gave her a karate chop to the throat and a punch to the stomach and then felt her pulse to see if that killed her. It did not. Oh, okay. Yeah. She was still standing after a throat punch and a jabby poo. Well, she was down, but she's still alive. Okay. Oh, okay. So then he said they took the spear and laid it across their throat and they both stood on end of it for 20 minutes while they talked about the ruins.
00:35:19
Speaker
and then she finally dies. That's what he tells her. That's what he tells the police on this recording. So then they say, okay, thank you so much, sir. Go put you in car B. Then they take John Jones out, say, here's this mannequin, show us what happened. And he basically says, we had the spears. I came and hit her from the back. John Chocter or Jason Chocter. There's too many J names. Sorry. John Jason, Rose, Rose and Jones.
00:35:47
Speaker
Rose choked her and then we stood on we stood on the ends of this spear for 10 minutes each and like both and she died. And Jason Rose thought it'd be a good idea we ripped her clothes off so we so people would think she was raped and shoved her under a bunch of stuff and then we took her purse and they they did they took her they took all her jewelry off they took her purse um they burnt her actual purse to whatever
00:36:15
Speaker
Ruined God that they were talking about at that point Her cosmetic bag inside they decided to keep as a to-go weed bag with all their weed paraphernalia and Then they they took most of her jewelry. There's one special estate. What's the right biggest hallucinogen? I know right. I'm trying to think of that right now. What was popular back in the I don't know quaaludes apparently no coffee So
00:36:45
Speaker
They took her jewelry, they both took her jewelry, gave it to their girlfriends. There's one piece of jewelry, still not accounted for. Well, it's accounted for, I just haven't told you where it's counted. Is that the ring? No, the ring was left at the scene. The turquoise ring they dropped. Oh, that's right, okay, yeah. So they literally, then they put the two boys together with a mannequin. So videotape number three, all in the same recording, but they record one doing a reenactment. Did you get to see the videos at all? No. Okay, so okay. But I would love to. I listened to some audio from it.
00:37:15
Speaker
And it was just, I mean, it got more outlandish and more crazy. And it just was insane. Each time was completely different, but crazy. Her murder was horrendous, a hundred percent brutal. They did beat her. They did kick her in the ribs until they broke. They did cut her with a machete until finally laying that thin piece of wood, which probably was the spear across her throat. And each of these boys stood on each side of it until she died.
00:37:43
Speaker
It did take around 20 minutes for her to suffocate while they did that. They then covered her naked, beaten body. They did strip her of her clothes, rip her pants off, tear her panties to make it look like she'd been raped and left her there. They took her belongings. They did their little ritual. All that did happen. The girlfriends did have the jewelry. The girlfriends called in and brought the jewelry.
00:38:10
Speaker
When they arrested the boys, Jason Rose, the 20-year-old that was the trouble, was wearing one of her necklaces. What? Around his neck. It was like a herringbone chain. He thought it looked, I guess, pimpin', so he kept that. Literally, they arrested him and it was on his neck.
Satanic Panic Defense
00:38:29
Speaker
Wow. Yeah. So Jason was charged with one count of aggravated murder and robbery, first degree robbery because he's literally wearing the stolen jewelry. Okay. So that's two offenses. Was it capital? Once you have two and they did seek the death penalty against him. His attorney, his attorney who has a law degree, passed law, passed the board, practicing attorney. I don't care if he was court reported or not.
00:38:59
Speaker
Literally use the defense, use the use self defense as his reason that Jason killed her. OK, OK. Because Melissa was a black witch and there was another Satan worshipper, the Van Helsing character. And he should marry that one psychologist. Right.
00:39:17
Speaker
Yeah, I know the Florida one. Please go back and listen to breaking point breaking point like episode three. Yeah. Oh, dude, you guys are going to love her as well. I hate her. Good reference her. They should get married. They should get married. The lawyer literally in front of jury judge God and everybody said that he is self-defense because she was a black witch, which
00:39:44
Speaker
I don't say tannic panic full force I get is the only thing I can make that makes this okay as a Practicing lawyer says this is I mean insanity plea would be my my go-to, but whatever Yep, no and Jason showed zero remorse He even said he felt good about being able to offer up a human sacrifice to everyone
00:40:11
Speaker
So, um, it sounds like a really, really bad name to a video game. It does. It sounds like our Harry Potter like villain. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, either way he was, he was convicted, um, uh, guilty on all accounts. He was on, um, I keep flipping to the same page. Um, he was convicted. We'll get to that in a minute. John.
00:40:39
Speaker
poor kid, the poor follower kid that actually told the truth. Like what happened? And he was just a dumb 17 year old kid that again picked wrong friends. It was his defense.
00:40:52
Speaker
His defense lawyer was better. Basically said that John was afraid of Jason Rose. He did go out into the woods with John and Melissa thinking that they would do some weed and probably have sex. Right. And then when Jason Rose took it too far, John literally was just afraid of being killed and went along with it. So he didn't die because he thought Jason was. He still stood. It's better than saying you think she's a black witch as an attorney.
00:41:19
Speaker
No, you don't. But at some point, like cop to your stuff. So that was his defense. Both girlfriends did testify in court. The jury watched the reenactments that were videoed in the forest. Wow. And they convicted Jason of aggravated murder. And on May 16, what is aggravated murder?
00:41:42
Speaker
I have no idea, but they can make it like it should be first degree premeditated because they lured her into the woods because their little fairy dust things told them the ruins.
00:41:54
Speaker
OK, thank you. I'm sorry. Their ruins told them to take her to the woods and kill her because she was a black witch, right? Correct. So according to his own statement, it was in fact premeditated. Yeah. All aggravated murder is is murder that is surrounded by some other circumstance, such as the victim being killed while another crime is being committed.
00:42:18
Speaker
So rape and murder. He burglarized her. He was wearing the necklace. I get that. But none of those crimes would have happened at that moment had they not premeditated bringing her to the woods to kill her in the first place. Correct. But aggravated murder allows for the death penalty. First degree murder does not. You have to have that second piece. I thought premeditated murder is you had planned it. You can't say that they planned it because they used what was around them
00:42:47
Speaker
They couldn't prove that it was planned. So it was aggravated murder because of the robbery. Just based on what he said, I would I would have assumed. OK, what he says is la la cuckoo pants and the ruins told him and you can't go off what he says. But but the deal is he said that some other source spoke correct. Which is why he lured her into the woods. He never said if the ruins were why he was there or before. OK, there you go. Well played. Well played.
00:43:16
Speaker
Um, on May 16th, 1989, he was sentenced to death unanimously. John, on the other hand, tried the same exact thing, same exact witnesses videotape, but the state failed to determine the time and cause of death. They could tell she was strangle it, strangle it. They couldn't prove that he participated in what actually, but he was, so he couldn't be charged with aggravated murder. Plus he wasn't found with any of the, the robbed items.
00:43:47
Speaker
So they did convict him of intentional murder and robbery in the third degree. And he was sentenced in life in prison, no parole and some random other, he was forced to pay $50 to the state's victims fund. I don't know if $50 is going to do anything, but maybe it was a different time.
00:44:06
Speaker
Um, so that's where it ended. Well, there you go. You follow someone straight into the pits of hell. Yeah. But unfortunately the Supreme court ruled in 1989 to overturn about two dozen cases in organs for death penalty. Apparently they are real heavy handed on the death penalties back in the day. So the Supreme court overturned about two dozen and Jason Rose's case was one of those. So he's no longer getting the death penalty, but he is, um, in prison for life with no chance of parole.
00:44:36
Speaker
We need to just do away with some of them and make room for the others. Well, if they just kept up, it was. But if they had just kept him in prison, one of the three times he was arrested and imprisoned guilty. Not even a year before, 10 months before she was dead, plus all the other charges, she'd she'd be fine because then honestly, I think I think John Jones was an idiot, but I think he just followed his friend like, like you got to figure out your own mindset.
00:45:04
Speaker
Well, you do. This is wrong, but I'm going to I'm going to not participate. Well, John Jones was an apprentice to the the Beelzebub, if you will. Whereas Jason Rose was a full fledged necromancer answer. I know. I don't know. The ruins told them they I don't. Yeah.
00:45:26
Speaker
Like you want to practice what you want to practice. You're fine. Do what you want to do. Don't kill people. I was just going to say, but like when it comes to that kind of stuff, you need to learn how to draw a friggin line. And I think that's why that particular culture draws in so many kids because they're all hurt. They're all damaged and they all I think I don't know. Like if you I know I've got mixed feelings on it. If you look at like true Wiccans.
00:45:55
Speaker
They're mostly peaceful. They're peaceful. They are nature. Like everything's about nature. Everything's about healing. Crystals have energy, auras, but it's very hippie-ish almost in my mind. Yeah.
00:46:10
Speaker
And then but then you've got people that pollute it and change it into what they want and they change it because true Satanism like if you look at the like if you go back to the origins, true Satanism isn't worshiping the quote unquote devil. It's basically was atheism like they just don't believe in right or wrong or me and you were doing different research. We'll have to have a talk about this later and then go all the way back and we'll go. Yeah, I know.
00:46:39
Speaker
Yeah, but I I might have some other things you need to research. You need to go like I'm talking I'm talking way before like early nine like nineteen hundreds like. Oh, I am all the way back. Yeah, I'm talking and it's. There was a there was a sect of it that was true, like.
00:47:00
Speaker
Satanism Satanism, but when the first term Satanism was you meal at that have a conversation about Some of the you know, I'm weird about documentaries right now. I'll watch this random crap, right, right? So moving on That that's my story of Oregon Bart Simpson was born ritualistic murder and Two dumb dumb One no, no one one dumb dumb and a follower
00:47:29
Speaker
But the other one was a dumb dumb to follow. Like, I mean, there's a certain point when you're like my mama said, if all my friends jumped off the bridge, would I jump off the bridge? No. Yeah. All right. Well, that's all for faith. All right. So Lisa's moving into Pennsylvania and you know what? It's been an episode or two. So why not do some fun? Ooh, crazy crime rules. Laws. Laws. There we go. I couldn't.
00:47:56
Speaker
That's technically a crime rule. I've got a few for you, all right? I'm ready. In the state of Pennsylvania, you cannot sing in the bathtub. Well, how are they going to, how are they going to monitor that? The showers are totally fine. Oh, just the bathtub. Just the bathtub. My kid's going to jail. You know, they weren't even specific on whether or not the tub needed to be filled with water, just in general. You just can't sing in the bathtub. You just can't sing in the bathtub. All right. No more than 16 women may live together under one roof.
00:48:26
Speaker
I would not want to live with that many women. Agreed. Me and my daughters so much. Like, if there were 17, would they just take over the world? Like, do we know? Anarchy. They'd probably all kill each other. It'd be a bloody massacre. All their cycles would sink. And they would go crazy together once a month. And everyone would die.
00:48:47
Speaker
Uh, okay, so now this is a huge thing in the south, right? I don't know. But not up north, apparently. So in Pennsylvania, you cannot catch a fish with your bare hands. I'm okay with that, Pennsylvania. I feel ya. Yeah, but that, like, you know... I don't like fishing at all. You know, your... your home life. Nature. Yeah, you're the worst. Alright, oh, in Morrisville, women must not wear makeup without a permit.
00:49:14
Speaker
You gotta get a permit to wear. You gotta get a permit to wear makeup, guys. I am going. I wanna know how many of you have paid for this permit. And is it really worth it? How much is the permit? Because makeup's expensive. I was gonna say, is it really worth it? What about clowns? Male clowns. It says women, specifically. You said more still? That's a lot of makeup. The website I am getting this from is onlyinyourstate.com.
00:49:41
Speaker
So if they're wrong, people, people, people from Pennsylvania, by all means, tell me. Uh, let's see in, uh, Ridley park. You don't even think about eating peanuts while walking backwards in front of the bar stormers auditorium during a performance. You could be arrested. First of all.
00:50:06
Speaker
Why is this a rule? Like, who egged somebody on so much during their performance that they were walking backwards eating peanuts and it was offensive? I don't know, but I was trying to look up your permit for the makeup. And do you have one on Collinsville, Pennsylvania? I do not. I agree with this rule, this law.
00:50:31
Speaker
You cannot wear pants that are lower than five inches below your waistline. No busting a sag in Collinsville, Pennsylvania. Any day of the week, anybody wants to disagree with me, fight me on Instagram, Facebook. I don't care. I would so much rather these guys wear long shorts with busting a sag than the nut hugger frigging skinny jeans where they're wonky wonk.
00:50:57
Speaker
is just hey if you're out if you're out in a club it tells you who to go home with I guess and my husband wears tight pants and I quite enjoy them your husband wears tight pants and I I quite want to vomit
00:51:13
Speaker
I don't. You want to do that shit at home? He's delicious. Do it at home. I don't need to see what he's working with. Understood? Well, you shouldn't be looking- I don't need to see what anybody's working with. You shouldn't be looking at your brother's crotch. Listen, listen, if it looks like he's hiding a banana in his freaking pa- It's noticeable! People's eyes wander, Faith. I've told you this before. I told Faith one time.
00:51:37
Speaker
They're like, why are you looking at Faith's boobs? I was like, they're like the sun. They're so big. And you're not supposed to look at it. But then you wear these shorty, shorty, short, shorty, short, low cut. And then it's like boobs. They need to breathe. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Supposed to look, but it happens. Moving on. From my breath and your brother's penis.
Bizarre Laws and Cult Claims
00:52:07
Speaker
Good night, guys. I hope you enjoyed this episode. That was Pennsylvania. Yeah, Pennsylvania. All right. Let's see. In Pittsburgh, you cannot bring your mule or your donkey onto the trolley car with you. Well, where the heck are they supposed to sit? I know. How am I supposed to bring you in there, you freaking donkey? He called me an ass that would have made the joke funnier. You told me about a lot of us. That's another term for donkey.
00:52:36
Speaker
And bitch is another word for a dog, but I'm not allowed to say that either. But that's not what you mean when you say it. Continue. Yes, I do. You don't know. I do. Oh, this one is weird. All wine and liquor stores must be run by the state. Well, yeah, they want to make that money. Yeah, buddy. I mean, it was the same thing on the taxes on cigarettes like.
00:53:01
Speaker
Oh, how much is it now? Fifteen, twenty dollars a pack. And for the last one that I have for you this evening, you may not sleep on top of a refrigerator outdoors. I just want to know, like, in what situation did this become relevant? I don't know. I've got nothing. All right. Well, I'm going to move on to my story. I've got a few pages that I need to click here. So if I get silent for a second, I apologize.
00:53:30
Speaker
It's okay. I edit down the long break. All right. So this week I am going to be in Pennsylvania and I'm going to be talking about a young lady, young lady named Miranda Barber. Okay. So before we get too far into what happened and why we're talking about her, we are going to give just a very, very short clip of her early childhood. Okay. Which I actually find kind of odd after the story that you just gave.
00:54:00
Speaker
Um, so according to sources, one of them, sorcerers, sorcerers. I don't know what planet I'm on. Um, this one is from Intelligencer. Uh, that she was sexually abused at the age of four by her. Oh, now. May he rotten hell. But here's the deal. I actually have a source that said three, one that said four.
00:54:29
Speaker
I don't care. It doesn't matter. Yeah, you're still young to be experienced in that kind of crap. Oh, three or four. That doesn't matter. No. Do we have an ETA on what happened to him? Just trying to be accurate. Has he been beaten to death, clubbed? No, no. This is the only time we'll speak of the uncle. I'm not OK with that next time. I want sights on how painful his death was. Please. And thank you.
00:54:52
Speaker
If it wasn't for people like us. No, I'm kidding. That's not true. It needs to be. All right. Again, that was Lisa. Why do you keep doing this to me? It's like you poke the bear and you're waiting. You're waiting for the explosion. Sorry. I don't like. Kitty pedophilia people. You know, I feel. I feel chemical castration, my ass.
00:55:21
Speaker
I go the old handy-dandy regular No, I'm gonna send them to the guy that I did last week in Oklahoma. Yes, he can do Allen Yes, send him to Allen in the Allen Yeah, and then you can eat it in front of you like a hot dog you went to like hey, bro Hey, bro. Here's your penis Here's your penis inside of me Know what you were expecting wasn't
00:55:51
Speaker
So many things wrong with what you just said. Almost worth it. Like, OK, so many ways that you take it. She's not going to edit this out. I can pretend like she's going to have this out, but she likes it when I make a fool of myself. So it's it's totally fine. All right. So after the abuse. She turned out to be a runaway, multiple. Wonder why.
00:56:17
Speaker
Wonder why? She's probably just trying to forget. I'm sure. I'm sure. And I can't say that I blame her at any point. How long that just took place. So she was a runaway in and out of rehab heroin at 14 at 14. She told her parents that she had joined a satanic cult. Wow. I thought like random because you just talked about. Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:48
Speaker
So. Oh, man, she was ushered in by some 25 year old guy. I don't even want to give his name. It's it's freaking stupid. They called him the ruler, right? It was later said that he impregnated her, blah, blah, blah. She's 14 still helped her commit her first murder. Yes. And she's 14 still. Yeah. I mean, in cases like this, you got to look and say, you think
00:57:16
Speaker
Like, OK, I get that she's the murderer, but there were so many times everyone left this little girl down. But how did you think she was going to turn out? OK, you can either go to the dark side or the light side, right? Correct. Like, you know, everyone's always like, oh, yeah, Satan and his crap when we already know what it's about. Dark, evil, hateful, revenge, all this. We don't want to trust God for anything because it's his fault. Why is it his fault? Well, it's not. No.
00:57:46
Speaker
called free will. And people can impose free will upon you. But even if you don't like that, but even if you don't believe in God and Satan like they go one or two ways, good or bad. Yeah, they're looking for something. Yeah, because they're this right here. They're miserable. Filled some kind of a gap. But a lot of pain. Yeah. That that may potentially have brought her where she ends up. OK.
00:58:13
Speaker
That I'm saying, can you, why are we surprised when people end up in these horrible circumstances when we didn't help them for years? Now there's, there's been no evidence of a kid anywhere. I don't know. I don't know what happened. I don't know. Oh yeah. Cause it was said she was pregnant. So, uh, she told her mother at one point that where's her mother been this whole time? Again, all of this came like directly from her mouth.
00:58:43
Speaker
Okay. You're just gonna have to bear with me. Much like all the cases that I wind up trying to do, there's not a lot of information. I'm sorry. But it is kind of amusing to me, because you have so many questions that I can't answer. And it makes me happy. Yeah, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There she goes. Oh, lifesaver gummies. I gotta do something to keep my mouth shut. Good luck. Anyway.
00:59:14
Speaker
I told mom this guy owns me owns. Yeah. OK. She's literally OK. It doesn't matter what she's doing because I'm trying to tell my story. She's being immature. So she just does whatever she's. Where was her mother when she was three and being abused by her mother's brother or her father's brother? Where was her mother then? Don't act like you care now when your kids 14 and and in trouble. There were warning signs the whole time. And you know how many cases of abuse?
00:59:41
Speaker
Have we ever looked at just in general? I'm not talking about podcasts. I'm talking about in general, any crime, true crime, anything that you've ever watched where the mom is just like, you wouldn't all of them. Yeah. Yeah. Wake up and believe your kids. So she. Basically, you know, spent a lot of time in Anchorage, Alaska. She moved around a bunch. OK.
01:00:10
Speaker
So at some point, she became a high ranking member of this so-called cult, right? And she claimed that she was a programmed killer. In her teens, she moved around between Alaska, California, North Carolina, and Texas. That's a lot of mileage. Yeah. But she said, and I quote, I murdered a lot of people in Alaska. Wow. So we're going to jump to a different section.
01:00:40
Speaker
And we're going to start talking about Troy LaFarrara. That's bad. LaFarrara. Oh my lord. Say it, Faith. LaFarrara? That's what I said. I just made it. No, it's not. I made it. You said LaFarrara. Let's just call it a night. All right. So this poor guy.
01:01:11
Speaker
was manipulated okay you know what i'm gonna shut my phone off because i'm gonna i'm gonna go free for all on this one oh hang on to your hats people so he went online apparently he has just society mostly um pages of a try like a
01:01:37
Speaker
Well, we would call it Tinder now, right? Yeah. A dating profile. A dating profile. Trying to find himself a lady. Really dating profiles? Just the hookup. That's it. Oh, well. And so naturally, where's the best place to find a hookup? You know it, because we've talked about it before. Craigslist. Craigslist. OK. You know, I'm just going to say, if I want to buy a sofa, I might go look at Craigslist. But even then,
01:02:07
Speaker
I'm going to bring at least a gun with me and my husband. God bless the freaking US. Who is going to go on Craigslist to find someone to have anonymous sex? That is so dangerous. Yeah. And I mean, I guess Tinder's no better technically, but I'm sitting here and as I'm reading through this story, I'm like, how many warnings do we give out for potential victims for like, like
01:02:35
Speaker
Don't walk in the parking garage at night. Don't. Don't stand too close to your car when you're unlocking it because they can be under your car. Make sure you're there's so many warnings that we got. I'm going to give you a warning. Sex with random people isn't worth it. No, because you didn't wake up dead. Stop. So it's not sex in general. Not that important. Do it yourself. It's better anyway. Because they agree to disagree. But yeah.
01:03:04
Speaker
Oh, sorry, Frankie. She laughed. That means she does it better. So I was going to say I disagree until you said to do it yourself. You do it better than I look at. Oh, yeah. It's a good thing. My husband does not listen to the podcast. It's if you know my husband and our favorite. It's a strong point in our favorite. Oh, sweet Mary.
01:03:33
Speaker
Anyways, so I want to start by saying to all of you gentlemen out there, okay? You can be just as manipulated. And you can die just as easily. Yeah, just to set up as this poor guy Troy was, okay? Because Troy was, in fact, set up. Alright? Alright. So let me open this back up here real quick, alright? Now, unbeknownst to Mr. Troy,
01:04:01
Speaker
Um, good old Miranda had a boyfriend named Elliott barber. He was, I think 22. That's the one that got her in the cult, right? No, this is a new boyfriend. This is in her early or I'm sorry, her later, later, later life. Okay. Now they're in Pennsylvania. Okay. Where they are starting to, he, she is manipulating. It was not her first attempt. She had been stood up multiple times. Smart guys. Okay. Um, so.
01:04:32
Speaker
Back to the original post, Intelligencer. So Miranda Barber apparently posted an ad on Christmas. She wound up soliciting, for lack of a better word, this young man, Troy, who was 42 at the time with sex. I have a question. Go.
01:04:59
Speaker
Her name is Miranda Barber. Yes. Her boyfriend's name was. Elliot Barber. I don't. Are they related? Mary Elliott, comma, Barber. OK. To run on sentence because it's like, why do they have the same last name or they married or related? OK. Continue on. So they lured this poor guy. Right. Right. And I'm sorry. I'm scratching my head because I guess I don't fully understand.
01:05:28
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But I mean, if you have one thing on your mind, and that's what you're going for, that's where you're heading toward, like, I guess you're not gonna look for signs, right? Because her boyfriend was legitimately, they met up with Troy, Miranda was in the driver's seat, Troy got into the passenger seat, and her boyfriend was in the back of the car. Like the backseat. Yeah, the backseat. Please tell me he was just hidden under a blanket. He was hidden under a blanket. What's he do? Turn his face to the side and try not to breathe too deep?
01:05:58
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Like a kid hiding under the blankets? I don't, I don't know. But I feel like again, you're, you are like one track minded at that point. You're too trusted. No, we live in a person that you're meeting. That's a stranger. You cannot just be like, Oh yeah, I'm going to come here, get a blowy and then leave. No, we live in a sick world with sick people. You can't trust anybody, especially when you don't know them and you met them online.
01:06:25
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Like if you met Lisa in a dark alley, you should come like armed with a witness. Definitely a witness. Because if you're armed and I'm armed, things are gonna happen, right? Just meeting you in a dark alley is a bad, bad idea. Shut up, babe. Run away. The only reason I'd ever meet you in a dark alley is because fate set me up. We don't leave our houses.
01:06:51
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Oh, man. Anyways, so Miranda stabbed him multiple times while the boyfriend strangled Troy from the backseat. Oh, except for what purpose? Just because sacrifice. How did we both end up with human sacrifice stories? But here's what really started to get me. So she was now in jail. She was a rape trial.
01:07:19
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She told people that she's killed dozens of other people. Was she just bragging like trying to make herself look harder or did she? Here's the problem. That's Alaska. Who knows? That's not Alaska. She's in Pennsylvania. She's saying she's committed these crimes from just all over wherever. She's been in like 10 states.
01:07:43
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And then when when the reporter that she was speaking to asked her, well, how many? She said, I stopped counting after 20. Oh, no. OK. All of these things she claims was part of the satanic cult. You keep saying she claims. So none of this is substantiated. We're not. I'm not done. So the at that time, like Dexter was pretty big, right? Yeah. She said, and I quote, I only killed bad people.
01:08:13
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Oh, give me absolutely. We got some like Dexter's and boondocks going on where we're just we're vigilante. Yeah. She's good. But if you're in a satanic cult. Uh huh. What's your definition of a bad person? Well, that's a hole you didn't want me to get into earlier, so we're going to not go into that one. OK, people have their own religions, right? That's true. All right.
01:08:44
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So Dexter Miranda. That was Freudian. Freudian slip. Again, claimed all these lives that she had taken to this day. So like 2022. Yeah. I'm going to punch you in the shins. Absolutely no proof. OK. Of the life that she took. Are there missing people? No, hold on. And I quote. But how many runaways and stuff are there? I can pinpoint that.
01:09:13
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then hand her a map.
01:09:15
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The FBI and other sources say none of the other crimes fit her profile. That don't matter. People evolve. See, here's the deal. That's why this whole situation is so black and white. There's not a gray area where she'd possibly be guilty of all these other 22 to a million victims. Why? Is because they're looking for an M.O. and M.O.s aren't matching what
01:09:43
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She's claiming to have happened. Yes with okay with all the TV shows criminal minds Dexter SVU you can learn how to kill 1800 ways that doesn't include like horror movies Texas Chainsaw Massacre that house of wax the inbred movie that terrified her wrong like you can watch all those and get 1800 ways to kill people and
01:10:09
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improve on those because some of them are shoddy and there's better ways to do it and you can I could kill someone every day for the rest of my life in a different way times if we witness the serial killer get arrested and they were arrested on their like fourth fifth murder and they're like I've killed yeah people always like you know you want to look quote-unquote cool in prison I guess I have a quote actually from her dad and I might misquote this but again same kind of
01:10:38
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you know, documentaries that it's been YouTube stuff from like actual physical news to reports that were made. And her father quoted her to be extremely narcissistic. This is the same father didn't help her when she was being raped when she was. She said she lived in a fantasy world. Why? Because she told them that she was being hurt by a relative and they didn't believe her. Is that why she lived in a fantasy world? Here's the thing. Here's the deal.
01:11:05
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I'm sorry, I don't have much patience for her. We know she was sexually abused when she was a kid. Now, it didn't extend after that. We don't know. She ran away. No, she said after that happened. Gotcha. She was a runaway multiple times and was addicted to heroin by the time she was 14. Yeah. She, you know, I've also seen information where she's been committed.
01:11:33
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She went from I think mass. OK, so I'm being really hard on her parents, and I don't know. No, I don't know either. You know, it'd be you know, it'd be helpful if we knew that information. And if I had that information to give. I get it, but you didn't. Don't know. I'm the worst we saw it, you're ever. Wow, I couldn't even say it, so I had to say it that way. Um. Yeah.
01:12:01
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Nobody knows why they put up with me. But again, we don't know those kind of circumstances. I don't know how her dad reacted. I don't know how her mom. Gotcha. I'm just assuming they don't believe her. Mom made the comment that she made. Dad made the comment that he made basically stating. But here's again, after everything that happened and she was four, she was young.
01:12:26
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Yeah. OK. I don't know if she ever went to therapy. OK. None of us know that. OK. All right. We do know that by the time she was 14, she joined a sadistic satanic cult. And started going down the wrong path with a guy that was like three times her age was illegal. Yeah. Because he was over 20. And she was 13. That is statutory 14 statutory rate illegal.
01:12:52
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She can't make that decision. I don't know. I don't know anything about baby, this that
Dubious Travel and False Claims
01:12:57
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or the other. And there's a lot of claims that she makes that may or may not be. So she could have just told people she was pregnant when she wasn't.
01:13:05
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And she could have not been to any of these places. She said, because quite frankly, as a 14 year old, how's she getting the money to travel from Alaska to North Carolina? She could very well have been with her parents. Like, I don't know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, if anybody has more details to this, like, again, my life's been chaos. I could only go like maybe one or two sections deep in some of the information that I found. And if you can correct me, by all means, do that. It's hard digging into these lies sometimes.
01:13:35
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I guess it's not just like, well, I mean, realistically.
01:13:40
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You think if you go to Google and type in a name, you're going to get like all this background information and you don't, like you got to search through the dredges. Yeah. Then you got to try to see what's true and what's false because news flash, everything you find on Google is not true. No. And then there are times where no matter how hard you try to search for information, you ain't getting it. Even if it's a good kind of information, see where people are now and how they've survived. You're not getting that information. Nope. Like do, um, Oh man, hold on.
01:14:10
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Tsutole. When I did that, and we wanted to find out information, because he wound up with AIDS and got treated in prison. While his wife and daughter died. While his wife and daughter, but we don't know. We still to this day don't know if they lived or died because there is no factual proof of what happened to them. Because they probably changed their names and moved, I would. Yeah. Anyway.
01:14:40
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All right, continue. So I'll quit interrupting. They're all like, oh, she's got mental illness. There's that and the other bad boyfriends. Was she a serial killer? We don't know. The FBI actually dug in to the claims that she made, especially from Alaska. And they did find cases of missing people. Well, you're going to find cases of missing people in every state, every every country. These demos didn't match Jack.
01:15:11
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North Carolina, all these other places, same deal, like there's missing people. It doesn't mean that she did it. Correct. I'm with that. But based on like the severity of her crime. She straight up said. I feel no remorse for what I did. Wow. Sorry. The FBI said that the murders themselves are, quote, possible, but not likely.
01:15:41
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right. One Alaska state trooper said any of the information implicating barber and any homicide aside from the one that she's been arrested for. Okay. Um, North Carolina
01:16:01
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They don't have any unsolved murders that may match up to her claim. Well, the deal is, is you live in the inner, you live in, when you live in the internet era, like she could literally go to any state and go missing cases, missing person cases. And there's whole profiles. So she can just claim that she killed those people. Let me just tell you something.
Alaskan Disappearances and Loyalty
01:16:20
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Anybody who's born and raised in the Tennessee area who hikes the smokies.
01:16:27
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Regular. Yeah. How many people often go into the 75% of the Smokies that are undiscovered? Not I said the little pig. Uh-huh. Right. And so now we're sitting here talking about fricking Alaska. Yeah. Okay. Like hello. Yeah.
01:16:46
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It could, plausibly, in my mind, be very true. Now, I'm not saying she's like a freakin' genius. Yeah, it's a 50-50. You don't know one way or the other. How many people are really going to dig into the trenches of Alaska with the wilderness that's out there and say, probably not true? Well, it takes a sick mind to commit the crime. Do you think that sick mind isn't also possibly sick enough to go out into the drudges?
01:17:13
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to tell somebody there. And she obviously has a conference. I was. Yeah. And it's Alaska. You know how many things are going to eat that corpse? Polar bears, wolves. That's all I got. The Grizzlies. There's a lot of them. But here's the deal.
Criminal Minds: Crazy or Intelligent?
01:17:30
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Her boyfriend even said in one quote, I knew she was possessed.
01:17:36
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Okay, so like and then and then straight up was like I still love her no matter what run away She is the one that implicated him in the murder But I still love her He's doing time right now because she ratted him out. I Will never understand that But again Like I know we talked about these people being crazy I
01:18:06
Speaker
Is it crazy? Like, or are they just smarter than you? I don't. It's like we talk about so many times with a mind that twisted it, whether you call it crazy or higher level of intelligence, because they do have to be very smart to get away with the crimes, especially in today's air. You can't make sense of it because our minds don't function like them. The way we think of things and see things, they don't see that we see in black and white and they see in color.
01:18:35
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type of deal like
Modern Kids and Mature Content
01:18:36
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you're never gonna add up like you're never gonna see the same way because you're just not but to have such a hold on another individual you see that all the time base I know I know it doesn't make any sense to me it's just like my case John Jones followed Jason Rose up into standing on a pole on a girl's throat and killing her yeah like talking about Pokemon yeah
01:19:05
Speaker
Like how does that like at some point you got you got to choose your friends and your own thoughts and directions. I feel like we harp on that every time. You know, but we wouldn't have a podcast if you people didn't keep stop following the people of the podcast that I listen to. The majority of them have a disclaimer. And they're like.
01:19:29
Speaker
Uh, you know, this is not rated for children under the age of 13. And I'm assuming you're thinking 13. Yeah. I know that bothers me. 13. You want, you want kids that are 13 years of age. You're saying yeah. No. Okay. Cause here's the, here's the deal. Okay. You consume in your daily life or the things that are going to control. I am 36 years old and not ashamed to admit it.
01:19:54
Speaker
OK, but I know the difference of being able to listen to a podcast and watch crime documentaries and criminal minds and then turn on some friggin Looney Tunes to calm myself back down. OK, these kids in this generation just consume it. Yeah, they consume it. And then. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to go off on a tyrant, but. Thirteen. No. I get pissed when my kid walks in while I'm doing research.
01:20:26
Speaker
He's nine. OK. But it's not. No, it's not. It doesn't need to know. No. Like the age of innocence is gone. Oh, gosh. I saw a tick tock last night that's kind of related to this, but not at all. But it said it. But I mean, I guess it is because it said it showed a girl and it said 13 year olds today and it shows a girl doing like one of the sexy tick tock dance and like midriff showing.
01:20:51
Speaker
Tata's hanging out booty shorts and she's doing this little shimmy dance and it said 13's when I was old and it's got the girl like smushing her face going, hey, just cause I'm fat doesn't mean I can't smile. And I'm like, that's so true. Like when I was a 13, I wasn't wearing, like if I was wearing makeup, it was because me and my friend did a makeover and we looked like bozo the frackin clown. Okay, but here's my problem with that. All these parents that are letting their kids
01:21:20
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go on social media and post these things live. You are going to have guys that do not realize she's 13. You're going to have pedophiles. Exactly. It's freaking exactly. And there should not have been a freaking there, but x freaking exactly.
01:21:35
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You're
Social Media Dangers and Safety
01:21:36
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going to have people out there that are looking at your daughter, they're looking at your son in a way they don't need to be looked at. I said my like I used to I used to be very liberal, if you will, with because I post when I put I go on Facebook.
01:21:51
Speaker
to look at pictures and like stalk old friends that I don't really talk to that I grew up with but I just want to see like I don't really want to talk to you I just want to look at your pictures yeah like the comment maybe make a comment saying your daughter looks just like you like that's what I and I I post pictures of my daughter and things like that like and I've never really thought I think about it I've always been very liberal with who I accept as a friend because my dad is a pastor yes was a pastor and
01:22:21
Speaker
It's a very large church and people know me that I don't know Because my my face is out there. My dad talks about me talks about my husband. He talks about my daughter So people come up to me all the way. Oh, hey faithful and I just assume I know him from church. That's it but it was I don't know it was maybe like two it was a year and a half two years ago and I was just like, you know, I Don't know who's looking at my so my profiles private now
01:22:51
Speaker
I went through my entire friends list. Unless I had 50 similar friends that I knew those 50 good. I don't. You're off. I kicked you off. Except didn't like any. I had you have to have more than 50 similar friends with me for me to accept you now. Yeah. Because I just you don't need access to me. I don't even go that far. Like if I don't know you personally, I don't need I don't need you on my Facebook like people. I'm sorry. My followers. Right. I don't give a crap.
01:23:19
Speaker
You know, I'd also haven't posted anything in my son in a long time, but. That being said, I like the time hop where it pops up like this day and you don't get that unless you post like that's legit. My whole reason for posting is because I was like, I want this to pop up, but I whittled my friends list down dramatically like your name has to be familiar and 50 plus people we have in common are you're out. Can I tell you?
01:23:49
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a we'll call it a teachable moment that I got to have with my son on Saturday and I'm only gonna share this story guys because it is real life and Expect the unexpected I guess yeah, so I am with my friend destiny I'm with my son and
01:24:13
Speaker
And we're leaving food city. Yeah. And I'm handing Caleb dollars so that he can play the little claw game, whatever. Yeah. It's a giant waste of money, but you know what? Smile on the kid's face, whatever. So.
01:24:30
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smile on the kid's face. You know how many times I've watched you waste quarters and dollars in that machine yourself with no kids around before you even had a child? I would say seven times out of 10. Yes. I would at least get the stuffy. Yeah. But one of the machines wasn't working. And so I said, Hey, let's go to the other side because there was another machine on the other side. And this old raggedy man stopped me.
01:24:58
Speaker
And, you know, I don't want to say like old, he wasn't like, you know, Methuselah or anything. He just older than you. Yeah. He stopped me and started kind of initiating the conversation. And so I stood up tall.
01:25:20
Speaker
And I looked him in the eye and I started listening to what he had to say. No, I just kept walking. My son was right there. Now, I've always told my son that if people are in need. It's OK to give them a little bit of money. Yeah. But he started talking to me about how his wife cheated on him and why would she do that? This, that and the other kind of swaying back and forth, then brings up that his leg is
01:25:49
Speaker
Now, my son's standing here. I look over to my son and I said, hey, go see if you can get one of your stuffed animals. And I'll be with him in a second. Right. No, no, no. She was on the other side. She didn't even know what was going on. Oh, yeah. So I'm sitting here and I'm listening to the guy. Yeah. And he's like, you know, why would you do that? And I said, buddy, I don't I don't know. I don't know. You're nice to me. I had a walk. I grabbed my child and ran. No, I wanted him.
01:26:19
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to see me and I wanted him to see me looking in his eyes because now I know that he knows that if I need to point him out in a lineup, I can, right? So he goes on with the spiel and then asked me for a ride, not what I was expecting.
01:26:43
Speaker
Please tell me you did not put him in the back of it. Are you serious? Well, you know, you've you've talked to him longer than I felt comfortable. So conversation lasted like eight seconds. OK. And so he started telling me about his bum leg. And I said, but I don't know what you're looking for, but I'm not giving you a ride. No. And he was like, you know, I just need to get asset. No. OK. It was back with me at that point. I was like, we're leaving.
01:27:12
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And he's like, but mom. And I said, come on, buddy. And I grabbed his hand and we walked off. So here's this guy asking me. OK, guys, I am not like this big person. I know. I know. She's like five foot nothing. Yeah. If I get ill, if I ever get into an argument or fight, I'm going to call Lisa. Five foot barely five foot. Say what you want to say. But I thought with my shoes on. OK, I'm not night.
01:27:37
Speaker
So we leave and as I'm walking back out to the parking lot, I don't have my keys between my fingers. No, no, here's the deal. While this guy's talking to me, one of the employees was walking past me and I made a head nudge. I looked right in her eyes and I said. It was obvious, OK? Yeah, you guys can't see that, but I literally looked right at her and I moved my head.
01:28:01
Speaker
like head-pointed to the guy like come here yes ignore me completely oh yeah she doesn't want to be involved in that crap I'd have ignored you too well you're the worst self-preservation bro here's the deal I stopped the teenager in the parking lot that was collecting the carriages and I told her all about him yeah she went right back into the store told her manager good for her
01:28:27
Speaker
And came back out and stop me walls loading the groceries and she said I told them I told my manager all about it we're keeping an eye on it. Good. Okay, so we get into the car. Yeah. And I always talk to Caleb about.
01:28:42
Speaker
Adults. Yeah. Like adults don't ask children for help. No, never. OK. And I've tried so hard to like push that. Well, what if, what if, what if? Well, because we teach our kids to be respectful to adults and to be helpful. Listen, but adults never need the child's help. And so I flipped it on it and we got into the car. I looked at Caleb and I said, you know how I've always told you that adults do not ask children for help? And he said, yeah.
01:29:12
Speaker
I said, men do not ask women for help. No, not besides, can I borrow your phone for a minute? Right. Like not in that kind of a way. I said, but a real man is not going to say, hey, drive me here.
01:29:29
Speaker
Because a real man knows that I'm putting her in a situation that's uncomfortable. Yeah, potentially dangerous. So while I sit here and I tell you all the time, men, women, adults in general do not ask children for help. Yeah. Men do not come to women in that same respect and ask for help. No, they don't. I was like, and you can.
01:29:54
Speaker
I need you to understand where I'm coming from here, Kay. I said, that man was never going to get into my car. And he's like, but mom, you needed help. And I said, you know what, bud? He might need help. I said, but in my experience and in my adulthood, he's asking the wrong people. Yeah, he might need help, but he needs, it needs to be a lot more appropriate. And that was where I explained to him that a man should be asking another man for help.
01:30:24
Speaker
He shouldn't be asking a young single mother with her child for help. He knew the kid was with me. He didn't know Destiny was, because she wasn't there. Didn't have a clue. So he just thought it was you and a kid. Yep. Which means he has leverage over you. Exactly. And that's what makes it uncomfortable. That's what makes it not right. That's not right. I said most men aren't going to do that to a single mother. No.
Conversational Drift
01:30:53
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Again, the most is, can I borrow your phone for a minute? My car broke down. You make a call, you give it back. Hey, can I have five bucks? No, but if he was going on and on and on, he wasn't right in his right mind anyway. I agree. Oh, my wife cheated on me. I needed this. Why would she do that? You know, but again, guys, like, you know, and I only say.
01:31:17
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stand up tall and make direct eye contact because if you seem weak is not the word that confrontational almost like yeah like i'm happy bro well she's yeah she's gonna pick a fight and then that's not worth it correct because they go for easy targets how did we get off on this i don't know it was just a story that i had from the weekend but
01:31:46
Speaker
I was trying to think halfway through what brought us here we were at satanic human sacrifices and now we're at a claw machine well but i mean here's the deal we always talk about different things in our podcasts
01:31:59
Speaker
Yeah, I'm fine with that. So I just want to see just kind of ended I was just trying to cuz usually like welcome to the mind of somebody who's ADHD Well, usually usually we're talking about something and then we're like, oh, hey, let me tell you what happened to me this week But that was so like okay. Yeah I'm all like
01:32:23
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Hey, so this crime was committed. Hey, did you know? Yeah Back in 1937 I was literally like it was a good story and it was a good moral, but I'm sitting there thinking How did we get here? Like I know my face at one point is so confused, but I'm just thinking anybody ever been driving Where did we go now? You're so now and then all of a sudden you're home. You don't know. How did I get here?
01:32:48
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That's why I was like I don't remember taking this off rip. That is how I live Your mind is a dark disturbed scary place. It's not there's not much there And then I'm all like zoned out
01:33:11
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Oh my god, I literally sorry. I know my face was so confused. I just kept thinking Where did this come? Is he fixing a murder someone in the parking lot and set him on fire as a sacrifice the Beelzebub I don't know I Just like I just like the word Beelzebub tomorrow. We don't know
01:33:36
Speaker
Oh, goodness. Well, guys, I'm sorry. I know it's a good story. I was just trying to think about everything. No, I wasn't trying to make you feel good. It was a good story. It was a good moral. If you cannot keep up with me, this is not going to work. It's not going to talk about nine different things. Well, usually I can't keep up with you, but I was into the story and then I started thinking, wait a minute.
01:34:02
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One plus one does not equal four and we're at four. How in the world do we go from satanic cult to purple guy out of food city? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking like. I know, I know. I'm confused. Okay, well. Well, I mean, again, the story was basically over. I mean, she's doing her sentence, her life sentence, right? Yeah, but I- There's no, there is nothing to- You can't bring it back home now, Lisa. We've gotten off the freeway. We're in a residential area. Resumes. You can't be.
01:34:31
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No,
Humorous Misunderstandings
01:34:32
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like I said it was it's good. It's relevant people need to hear it, but I was very I was just was befuddled This is probably something I should have just do you run over the phone later? Do you always say whatever pops into your head? Yes
01:34:49
Speaker
That's why you edit so much. Remind me later to tell you the peanut story. Oh God. It's not funny. It's really upsetting. It's not funny, but I'm laughing. But it's also, okay, you know what? If you're still listening to this point, congratulations. You can hear the peanut story too. So my mom and Micah, my brother, it's me and I've got two younger brothers. Micah's the middle. They go to pick Bell up from school on Friday.
01:35:15
Speaker
That way I didn't have to and Mike is in the middle of moving He and his family and they're living with my parents because it's like five seconds from their new condo And so they're running and my mom's like hey, I'll just go get Bella today and she can play with Scarlett. I'm like perfect So I go she ends up spending the night which I knew would happen free night Had a had a had a libation if you will Friday night before Frankie got home was in a great mood by the time you guys Google it yourself libation
01:35:46
Speaker
So Saturday rolls around and I gotta go pick up the kid obviously you've gotten the couch and the furniture out of my house that y'all took go to pick up the chairs for my parents and Pick my kid and my mom's like hey Faith. Come here
01:35:59
Speaker
I'm like, all right. And she's like, come outside. And I'm like, OK, this is everybody's inside, but sure. Let's go outside. Weird mom. So I walk out. Frankie's walking up and my mom's like laughing, crying. And you know how my mom is like, oh, yes, giggling and wiggling. And she does that whole like really high pitch. Like what? Like a lambing slaughter. Yeah. She said so. Mike and I pick up belly yesterday at school. I'm like, yeah. And she goes, so he gets.
01:36:24
Speaker
Bella gets in the back and she's excited because my mom's been out of town. She doesn't see my mom. Micah's there, which is like one of her favorite people. And so she's going on and on just talking, you know, like she's never spoken a word before and has to get all her words out. And she's telling them all about her friend Abel at school. And she's like, you're going to meet Abel, my birthday party, my whole class has come to my birthday party. We haven't even gotten invitations yet. I just ordered him. She's like, yeah, but he smells his peanuts every day.
01:36:48
Speaker
And so Micah goes, Micah turns around and goes, of course, of course, Micah. Yeah, what? She goes, yeah, every day, morning and night, he smells his peanuts. His friend TJ told us his friend smells peanuts too. And Micah's like, what? What? What? My mom said they're in line and she turned to look at Bella and she goes, Bella, what's his peanuts?
01:37:13
Speaker
To which my child grabs her crotch and goes, you know, peanuts. Oh my God. And so Micah just turns around and I'm like my mom. This is never going to get like my mom was telling me this. And I'm like, what the heck? And so I go inside to Mike and I'm like peanuts. And he goes, all I can say is at least your kids not sniffing peanuts.
01:37:35
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So then I have to have this huge conversation on the way to Home Depot with Bella about we don't talk about people's peanuts, and we sure as heck don't smell people's peanuts, and if other people's smellin' peanuts, we tell the teacher. Right. Right. It was awful. Oh my god. And there's been a substitute, so I haven't been able to tell her teacher about the peanut sniffin' situation. Oh my god, public school.
01:38:00
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That's my past my sister. I was like, so are you open to homeschooling other kids beside your own? Like, can we have a class here? Can you just transfer? You don't pay her who? Oh, yeah, absolutely. She said no. That poor selfish. You're so
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selfish.
01:38:22
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Anyway, well, we're done battling. Yeah. Hey, this episode's still shorter than last week's episode. So you're welcome. You know what? Me and Faith were talking about earlier doing a Patreon. Yeah. And I really want to argue. What we were arguing about earlier about the origins of Satanism, the origins of Satanism. Nope. And I heard new things. I've actually already. We've talked about Patreon, Sitch. If you're still here, congratulations.
01:38:50
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Patrion literally already said yeah, but we are going to wait until we're done with the double episodes a week cuz we're barely playing into that But I've already started looking up some of that, you know, remember the game I was talking about like is a TV show. Is it a real-life murder? What is it? Can you name it? I've already got some in the pike ready. Well, nobody ever played a Florida man game Yeah, you guys really are disappointing worst crew of all
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Amazing followers. Bad two moms. Bad my mom and Lisa's mom and Destiny. Bad the three of you. Yeah, everybody else. You can follow us at www.faithsucks.com. Do we have anybody else? No. All right. We're slap happy. It's time to end the episode. We love you guys. Love you. Have a great week. Bye. Bye.