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E50: Talking knives and guilds with Kyle Daily
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Jerid is STILL on vacation, so this week I have my friend Kyle Daily fill and cohost with me! We'll hear all about the Knife Maker's Guild and also a big announcement! You don't want to miss this one.
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Transcript
Welcome Kyle Daily
00:00:15
Denis Tyrell
Hey everybody, welcome to the triple T for knife makers podcast episode 50. I can't believe it's been this many ah Jared still on vacation. So I have the one and only Kyle daily joining me today. Kyle, how's it going?
00:00:31
Kyle Daily
Great. It's been been an honor to get asked to be on here. So glad to talk to your listeners some about all the different things today.
00:00:35
Denis Tyrell
Oh.
00:00:39
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be fun. I got a million questions, um but tell
Chicago Weather and Heating
00:00:45
Denis Tyrell
me what's new. How's your week?
00:00:46
Kyle Daily
Uh, it's, it's cold up here. Uh, we've got the Arctic blast coming in. I think it topped out at like six degrees today. So, uh, it's been pretty cold, but I'm glad I have a big, uh, natural gas heater.
00:00:58
Kyle Daily
It's like, I think it's like 180,000 BTU. So, uh, keeps it pretty.
00:01:02
Denis Tyrell
Jeez. And what where are you again? What state are you in?
00:01:05
Kyle Daily
I'm in I'm in the western suburbs of Chicago, Illinois. So yeah, it can be.
00:01:09
Denis Tyrell
I've been there. I've been there. It's cold.
00:01:13
Kyle Daily
ah But yeah, I've got ah spray foam gar garage and stuff. So it's, it's pretty energy efficient.
Collaborative Projects
00:01:20
Denis Tyrell
know
00:01:20
Kyle Daily
But Yeah, I've been working on a couple little things. ah One of the things that there's a local guy that makes a lot of golf stuff.
00:01:28
Denis Tyrell
Yep.
00:01:31
Kyle Daily
And I've been making some of his he calls them pitch tools, but it's kind of like a little fork for lifting the divots. um And then him and I are working on a little design for a bag knife.
00:01:36
Denis Tyrell
ye
00:01:41
Kyle Daily
So a little tiny, ah it's like an inch and a half blade is the one we're going to try to work on first, he's actually going to be taking it to the PGA Um, there's like a convention going on, I guess this week.
00:01:54
Kyle Daily
So he's taken it out there to show it to a bunch of people, but it's going to be for like sharpening your pencil, opening a pack of balls and stuff on the, on the course. It's something that we're going to try to, uh, make to have in your, your bag to make things a little easier.
00:02:07
Denis Tyrell
That's definitely a market. And I can see even combining those two, having the little divot tool and a knife in one, maybe something like that.
00:02:09
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:02:16
Kyle Daily
Hmm.
00:02:16
Denis Tyrell
I think there's a lot of crossover there.
00:02:19
Kyle Daily
Yeah, so excited to be working with him he's he's literally like seven minutes away from me so ah one of our sponsors Atlas materials. He was having a guy up in Milwaukee make them forum, and like I had started having some health problems and decided to stop making them and when he was talking to ah natasha atlas materials ah She goes, there's like a knife maker down like right next to you. then She gave him my name and ah Phil and I have been ah working quite a bit now. So it's been cool.
Engineering Background
00:02:50
Denis Tyrell
So you're, ah you're an engineer by trade. How long have you been knife making and what do you, you know, give give me the, give me the Kyle story.
00:02:56
Kyle Daily
I've got a degree. Yeah, so I got a degree to engineer from Purdue University. I got a mechanical engineering technology degree, which is a little bit different than mechanical engineering. Purdue was one of the colleges to kind of pioneer the MET degree. So it's actually through the College of Technology instead of the College of Engineering. ah When I applied to the like schools, I actually didn't get into the College of Engineering, but you could apply or you can apply to many different ah things. And it was like mechanical engineering technology. Sure, i'll I'll do that one along with my my thing. And turns out that was like the best thing ever, because that was exactly what I wanted to do. I'm a lot more hands-on. Growing up, i did or when I was in college or in high school, um my freshman year, I actually took architectural drafting.
00:03:49
Kyle Daily
and learned a whole bunch of stuff, how to do everything by hand with a pencil. And then um where I grew up in Columbus, Indiana, ah that's Cummins Engine Company's world headquarters.
00:04:01
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:04:01
Kyle Daily
And ah the guy who taught their apprentice drafting program started teaching my sophomore year of high school. ah So I took his mechanical drafting class and that would just set me up really well for um all my engineering stuff.
Early Work Experience
00:04:18
Kyle Daily
ah He taught it exactly like he did the one year apprentice drafting program. So he taught us basically almost everything.
00:04:25
Kyle Daily
that he knew in one year and they said ah ah Randy ah people could take this up to four years you need to like slow down a little bit. um So I would basically it was kind of like a he would like teach the newcomers and then like he would have me and a couple other people that took the classes earlier ah continue to do more and more stuff so I worked in the machine shop that we had there redrew all the drawings for the machine shop and things like that.
00:04:54
Denis Tyrell
And this was all high school.
00:04:56
Kyle Daily
This was all high school.
00:04:57
Denis Tyrell
Wow.
00:04:57
Kyle Daily
And then um when I was um in college, my first year, freshman year, I got a call from one of my best friends, or one of my friend's dads. ah And he said, ah so I heard you're an engineering and you might be looking for a job over the summer. And I was like, ah yeah, I'd be interested in that. He goes, well, I was talking to your drafting teacher, Randy, and I was ah
00:05:28
Kyle Daily
wanting him to come help with by the machine shop that I'm starting to help do some drawing stuff. And he said he wasn't interested, but he knew this young kid that he would recommend. And that's when he gave Scott Cole my my name. And so what that was like the easiest, um because I had known ah Scott and his son Casey, Casey was the same age as me. um Since we were I think like fifth grade. So, he but I basically came in he's like, so you want to work here for the summer, like yep he's like okay let's go. Let's go look at the shop. So I worked there summers and winter breaks, all through college. And then when I graduated college I worked at the machine shop, and then
00:06:11
Kyle Daily
um There was like a oh ah contract engineering position. So Scott, who owned the machine shop, ah he used to be a director at Cummins and he turns out he didn't like managing people all that much. So he wanted to go back to like being an engineer. And they basically said like, we don't really want you to do that. So he said, okay, I'm going to do my own thing.
00:06:35
Kyle Daily
So he knew a bunch of other engineers and stuff. And he worked as a he would contract a lot of retirees and stuff back to Cummins. And there was a position that was supposed to be for six months that he didn't have anybody.
00:06:47
Kyle Daily
And he was like, Kyle, I think you'd be a good candidate for this. They want like four hours a day. um And like a couple days a week. And that was in the applied mechanics lab doing string gauging and stuff like
Life and Work in Chicago
00:07:00
Kyle Daily
that and strain gauging.
00:07:00
Denis Tyrell
Sorry, doing what?
00:07:03
Kyle Daily
So
00:07:03
Denis Tyrell
I don't even know what that is.
00:07:06
Kyle Daily
It's ah basically an electrical resistor that you can superglue onto a ah part and you can actually see it um electrically change with resistance as you stress the part, move it, ah expand and compress it.
00:07:20
Kyle Daily
So it's basically like actually have a small one right here.
00:07:21
Denis Tyrell
Oh.
00:07:25
Kyle Daily
So it's like a whole bunch of little tiny wires. um But it works on electrical resistance. So um as you compress something, it gets shorter and fatter, the resistance goes down as you pull it, it gets smaller, and the resistance goes up.
00:07:39
Kyle Daily
And it's very, very, very, very small. And you can measure that and then um see how much the part is flexing.
00:07:47
Denis Tyrell
So that that's the applicable, like you're looking for flex or compression and in parts and you're using it as a sensor.
00:07:48
Kyle Daily
Mm hmm.
00:07:51
Kyle Daily
Yeah. hey Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:55
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:07:55
Kyle Daily
And then I also did a bunch of ultrasonic bolt measurement, which ah that was something that I never learned about in college and never had heard about. um So it uses the sound you actually grind the top and bottom of the bolt perfectly flat and parallel, and then you send sound down and back.
00:08:13
Kyle Daily
And it measures that time that it takes to go down and back. And then you can put those bolts in a load frame and stretch them um and get a load versus change in time. um So you can install your bolts because when you tighten a bolt, it actually stretches. That's what gives you your clamping force and um So I did a whole bunch of that measurement. They would do like load loss over time over engine ah tests and stuff. So I did a bunch of that work. And then um I met my wife or met my but my wife over eHarmony. And um then when we decided somebody was gonna have to move, I ended up moving up to Chicago. um And when I interviewed at Navistar where I worked for 11 years before I went full time with knife making,
00:09:01
Kyle Daily
um I was like one of the only people they interviewed out of a bunch of people that had ever even knew what ultrasonic bolt measurement was ah that had ever actually put strain gauges and stuff on. So I started working there in engine testing, um specifically and and in vehicle testing.
00:09:21
Kyle Daily
So I spent a bunch of time going up and down the mountain over in Colorado um for a couple of tests and did a lot of in-vehicle testing and then ah the trick testing moved to Chicago and then I ended up doing a lot more of the hydraulic ah testing, like seat poles, tow hook poles, door slams, hydraulic shaker testing, where we'd shake the truck in all different ways and stuff, and a lot of load frame testing, ah where we just do durability fatigue testing.
00:09:54
Denis Tyrell
So I gotta ask, how did you get into knife making? Like what what was the jump to get to knife making?
Journey to Knife Making
00:10:00
Kyle Daily
um So one of my best friends, Eric Mann, he um was an engineer was a senior engineer when I started. And he ended up being my boss, but he ah told me about um blade forms. I'd always loved knives and stuff, but I never even like thought custom knives. like That's what companies make. I never thought that I could make one.
00:10:30
Kyle Daily
um And he told me about Andy Roy and introduced me to blade forums. That's when I met Danny sland at my first blade show in 2012. And then ah Dan invited me back to Andy shop and like showed me around there. And I was pretty much hooked because I always kind of wanted my own machine shop because I've always really liked making things. When I worked at the machine shop after college did a lot of welding and ah thermal put thermocouples in um after treatment systems for diesel engines and stuff thermocouples are like little temperature sensors.
00:11:05
Denis Tyrell
Oh yeah, I know what a thermocouple is.
00:11:07
Kyle Daily
Well for for the listeners that don't know. um But, yeah, and when I moved up to moved up here I kind of missed doing a lot of stuff. um Hands on because um a lot of the stuff I was doing was ah being and in meetings and stuff like that and I really like getting my hands dirty so um was pretty much hooked there.
00:11:30
Kyle Daily
And then um I started my first knife shortly after ah blade show, didn't finish it for three years with ah getting equipment together and everything like that.
00:11:44
Kyle Daily
There was a big like year and a half where I didn't work on knives at all. um So I don't, I don't count when I started making knives until I finished my first one. So that was in 2015 was a night.
00:11:56
Denis Tyrell
So 10 years.
00:11:58
Kyle Daily
Well, it took me Yeah, it took me three years ah to make my first one.
00:11:58
Denis Tyrell
Wow.
00:12:02
Kyle Daily
And then I've been making them oh ever since I made 660 knives so far, I serialize all of my knives ah with a little number, which is kind of cool.
00:12:13
Kyle Daily
I got a spreadsheet, all engineer style. um And then yeah,
00:12:17
Denis Tyrell
I wish I would have started counting mine. I never did. I have no idea how many I've made.
00:12:22
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's funny. Cause like, I hear a lot of people say, Oh, I've made thousands of knives. I'm like, really? Cause I feel like I've made thousands of knives and I've only made 660.
00:12:32
Denis Tyrell
I know it's not thousands.
00:12:32
Kyle Daily
So yeah.
00:12:34
Denis Tyrell
It's probably not even 600.
00:12:36
Kyle Daily
Yeah, but it's ah it's been it's been interesting. um But um we moved to our new house where we are here um in October of 2020. And then in January of 2021, I found out that they were moving the whole test facility I was at to San Antonio, Texas.
00:12:54
Kyle Daily
And then that's I stayed on until August and then of 21. And then that's when I went full time with my knife making.
Going Full-Time
00:13:04
Kyle Daily
So
00:13:04
Denis Tyrell
twenty So it's been, you know, like four years, four and a half years around there full time.
00:13:07
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Well, like three and a half years full time.
00:13:10
Denis Tyrell
Oh, three. I see.
00:13:12
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:13:12
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:13:13
Kyle Daily
Um, but yeah, so, um, I started doing some of the tools cause I'm always trying to make my life easier.
00:13:13
Denis Tyrell
Cool.
00:13:19
Kyle Daily
And luckily, uh, some of those tools have, uh, been helpful for other people too.
00:13:26
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah. No, I know you've been been doing, excuse me, very well with the tools.
00:13:32
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. That's easily over, over half of my like sales. So it's been, been really good. Um, and, uh, I appreciate everybody for the support and, uh, some good, ah some good feedback and always helping to make products and stuff like that.
00:13:51
Denis Tyrell
Good. Cool. um
00:13:53
Kyle Daily
Or how, how, or enough of that, how was your week?
00:13:57
Denis Tyrell
um My week was good. um I didn't even occur to me that it was a long weekend until about Friday night. um But there was Actually, so I ordered this new anvil and from Holland anvil great anvil very happy, but They shipped it somewhere local because it requires liftgate service.
00:14:22
Denis Tyrell
So they just ship it to somewhere local and when I go Kind of it was it was a shipping company, and but I happen our way, but the shipping company phones me Thursday afternoon and says your window is tomorrow between 8 and 12 and
00:14:22
Kyle Daily
Yep, like a fascinal. Okay. Okay.
00:14:38
Kyle Daily
okay
00:14:39
Denis Tyrell
Okay, but this is a 300 pound anvil. I don't have a truck.
00:14:42
Kyle Daily
Mm.
00:14:44
Denis Tyrell
So I'm scrambling to look for something that I can go, because I know it's on a skid. And so I finally, you know, borrow my buddy's trailer. And we're supposed to be leaving to go camping in the RV at noon on Friday.
00:14:57
Denis Tyrell
So I really want to be back.
00:14:59
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:14:59
Denis Tyrell
So anyway, had to go pick that up. um ah I did.
00:15:02
Kyle Daily
Did you get it? Mission accomplished?
00:15:05
Denis Tyrell
Mission accomplished it ended up.
00:15:06
Kyle Daily
Excellent.
00:15:06
Denis Tyrell
I could have fit it in the back of the Jeep. It was this tiny little skid um It wasn't very big But I had the little trailer anyway
00:15:10
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:15:12
Kyle Daily
it's ah It's amazing how those heavy anvils, you would think they'd be a whole lot bigger than they are. I've got a little 30 pound Holland anvil that I use for, uh, my carbide straightening hammer.
00:15:25
Kyle Daily
And it's like, just sits on my workbench. It's a little, it's maybe 10 inches long.
00:15:29
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I have a 70. My very first anvil is a 70 pound NC anvil, which I used to use for knife making. And it's 70 pounds, but it's only like, you know, whatever, 16 inches, maybe long.
00:15:40
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:15:44
Denis Tyrell
And I was, on now I look at it like I can't believe I use that as my main anvil.
00:15:47
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:15:47
Denis Tyrell
But now the new one is a 260 pound double horn.
00:15:52
Kyle Daily
Beautiful.
00:15:52
Denis Tyrell
It's beautiful. It's like nice crispy edges and it's nice.
00:15:55
Kyle Daily
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:15:57
Denis Tyrell
So, Yeah, got the anvil. What else did I do? I was working on these two, these two Damascus knives that, um I would say these two knives are the first two that I'm really focusing on to the level that I would, I'm i'm trying to, i'm I don't know if i'm getting I'm gonna get there, but I'm trying to finish these knives that perhaps they might pass master.
Dennis's Damascus Knives
00:16:30
Kyle Daily
and Okay.
00:16:30
Denis Tyrell
Like these are the first two that I'm putting enough effort into that I'm hoping, and um I have a class in March that with a master's myth that I'm gonna take them to, and if he says yes, then they're gonna go in zip cases and get put away.
00:16:41
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:16:46
Denis Tyrell
But we'll see how it goes. But these are like Damascus with nickel, um and they're gonna get ironwood handles and Damascus guards da So those two I've been spending some time on, like these are taking extra time.
00:17:01
Denis Tyrell
Like, you know, know normally like, for example, when I slot the guard, I would normally just like grind the edge grind the edges.
00:17:01
Kyle Daily
Mm-hmm. Yep.
00:17:09
Denis Tyrell
And this time I actually milled every one of this edges to get it perfectly 90, you know, milled the slot, like everything, like trying to do super precise.
00:17:21
Kyle Daily
Yeah, that's cool.
00:17:22
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:17:22
Kyle Daily
Yeah, I've always I've always appreciated those like ah master Smith quality knives. But it's, it's just a it's like looking at artwork, I think that you could actually use.
00:17:38
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, that's the goal.
00:17:39
Kyle Daily
Mm hmm.
00:17:41
Denis Tyrell
My long-term goal is to get invited to the AKI.
00:17:45
Kyle Daily
Oh,
00:17:46
Denis Tyrell
That's the long-term goal, but I'm way off of that.
00:17:49
Kyle Daily
If you keep making some of those ah gold Damascus knives, that might get you in there.
00:17:55
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I don't have another one of those in my future for a while.
00:18:00
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:18:01
Denis Tyrell
ah But I am, I also, so I started a new folder series. I don't know if you caught that, but last week I started the first episode of the compression lock folder.
00:18:15
Denis Tyrell
I talked about it in last week's episode. This is like, I don't know how much, you know, the folders are free in the folders at all. It's like a liner lock, but the lock releases on the spine instead of the belly of the knife.
00:18:15
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:18:25
Kyle Daily
Yep.
00:18:27
Denis Tyrell
So um I know Spyderco was, they were the ones that invented, exactly.
00:18:29
Kyle Daily
Yep. The paramilitary too. That was one of one of my favorite knives.
00:18:34
Denis Tyrell
So I have my my silver tip model with the compression lock, which is amazing, I love it.
00:18:40
Kyle Daily
Nice.
00:18:42
Denis Tyrell
like in it lock It's a really, really solid lock.
00:18:45
Kyle Daily
Mm hmm.
00:18:46
Denis Tyrell
And watch the series, as you'll
Paused Projects and Priorities
00:18:48
Denis Tyrell
see it. Have you ever done that? I don't i don't know much if you've done folding knives before or if you were into them.
00:18:52
Kyle Daily
I made, I made a ah frame lock folder halfway. um So but before my boys were born I worked with a knife maker, Matt Christiansen, and he's on like near the Indiana border of Illinois.
00:19:10
Kyle Daily
And I went down there two times and did some stuff with him, traded him a couple of cases of root beer ah and some money for some classes learned and some of that stuff. And we got to like where I needed to cut the lock and then my boys were born. And then it's been in my gun case ever since then. And that would spend like eight and a half years ago.
00:19:33
Kyle Daily
So the well, there is, but the kitchen knives pay really well.
00:19:33
Denis Tyrell
No desire to get back to it.
00:19:39
Kyle Daily
The knife making tools pay really well. um I do I want to do some forging and stuff like that, but it's just hard to have enough time to do all the things that I want to do.
00:19:50
Denis Tyrell
Oh, don't I know it.
00:19:53
Kyle Daily
And my ADHD, like always constantly trying to like stay on focus, stay on target.
00:19:58
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. And that's
Balancing Knife Making and Content Creation
00:20:01
Denis Tyrell
true. Like, and I had talked about this. um when i When I started going full time, similar to you, I've got the tooling side, I've got the classes, I've got knives, and you know and then of course YouTube.
00:20:18
Denis Tyrell
And how do I split my time? like Because effort equals revenue, right? where am i Where do I put my time to make sure that you know you're paying the bills and all that stuff?
00:20:29
Denis Tyrell
You know you you know you have to live the same thing, right?
00:20:29
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:20:33
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. i I tip my hat to like people that make good YouTube quality content like you guys do. um It's really hard. i I made a couple of YouTube videos back in the day and then.
00:20:49
Kyle Daily
I made like four or five. And then that's when Dan and I started our knife perspective podcast. And I was like, I don't have to make the video lineup with the audio and I don't have to do like 100 different takes I can just kind of like splice it together all from one. um So once I started the podcast, I pretty much didn't do anything with my YouTube channel.
00:21:09
Kyle Daily
um And I've since tried to like, oh do so put some more content over there, especially with Instagram, doing the non recommended stuff to new followers. um I was trying to trying to do some more stuff with ah YouTube content but it's, it's all like ah doing the videos and stuff like that.
00:21:32
Kyle Daily
I usually found it took like two or three hours for every like minute of video that I um put on a YouTube video because you got to like set the camera up and shoot it.
00:21:42
Kyle Daily
And then um then the lighting you can't see or your or you put the camera and then your your elbow is like blocking everything that you can't see anything.
00:21:43
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:21:51
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I'm laughing because I've done every one of these things like multiple times.
00:21:52
Kyle Daily
I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. And, uh, it's just like, it's just hard. And, uh, and then you get people that comment, they're like, uh, so I, I spent a really long time, uh, explaining how I do the thorn pattern for my file work.
00:22:10
Denis Tyrell
Mm hmm.
00:22:10
Kyle Daily
And um I mistakenly didn't like do just like a 20 second final shot of the file work at the end of the video. And I've gotten so many people commenting on there, but like, ah thanks for the video. What a waste of my time to not see the final product. I'm like, go to my Instagram. There's like tons of pictures of my finished file work. Like, um ki like I can't,
00:22:37
Kyle Daily
If i I can't pull, or if I pull the video down, then I have to like upload a whole new one. And yeah, so, um, or you can't hear the audio.
00:22:42
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it's gotta be a whole new video. Yep. Yeah, there's many times when i I'll post a video and go, oh crap, I meant to add that part, or you get to editing and you realize there's a clip that you don't have, or you didn't press didn't press play on the camera, or there's all kinds of, the record, I mean, the the audio, I forget that,
00:23:04
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:23:06
Denis Tyrell
Uh, I had the, the laugh mic plugged in and it was and there's all kinds of dumb things, but I'll tell you, you do get better at, you know, after. I think I have 500 YouTube videos. You do get better at it to know that like now when I do it, I can take.
00:23:26
Denis Tyrell
you know, 30 seconds of grinding. i know And I know the angles to take it out so that you, I think you get better at it so that you can do less editing because you have less footage.
00:23:37
Denis Tyrell
Because no, let's, like, if if I put more than 10 seconds of grinding in a video, I'm gonna hear about it. Or but I'll see people fast forward through it.
00:23:47
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:23:47
Denis Tyrell
So I'm gonna do like the four second shots of like the different angles of me grinding and I'm done.
00:23:51
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, that's some of the stuff that I didn't didn't know um doing it. And then, like, I kind of like did the like, put the camera and then pray that I got the right angle.
00:24:03
Kyle Daily
um And then the the clips just were really long and then you're you're cutting them down and searching through all the ones.
00:24:08
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Then you spend more time in the editing and that's painful.
00:24:11
Kyle Daily
Yeah. So ah eventually I hope to have some more stuff.
00:24:13
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:24:16
Kyle Daily
I really want to do some videos on my smooth pass push stick and those SL stone holders for the reciprocating saw and stuff like that. Those are those are two videos I'm getting a lot of questions about recently.
00:24:28
Kyle Daily
So I need to do some um more than Instagram videos because the Instagram videos are good for like 4872 hours maybe, and then lots of people just don't can't find them.
00:24:41
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah.
00:24:43
Kyle Daily
So
00:24:44
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I actually, Jared used your push stick, the one with the bearing on it. I don't know the name of the um smooth pass, thank you.
00:24:51
Kyle Daily
yeah the smooth pass.
00:24:54
Denis Tyrell
That's pretty cool. I don't you really use push sticks that much, like once in a while, and I've never really dove into push sticks enough to say that, you know, I usually always go back to the hands.
00:24:56
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:25:05
Denis Tyrell
I don't know why, it's like forced a force of habit, but it's cool.
00:25:07
Kyle Daily
Yeah, well, yeah, for you, you're using a a lot thicker stock than I usually use for my kitchen knives. So that the kitchen knives are hard, especially with the bigger blades to like get um enough force, ah because they want to bend and flex on you.
00:25:23
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:25:24
Kyle Daily
ah So having that push stick on a work rest, I'm able to move the bearing higher or lower to like um move the grind up or down, ah similar to the the towman jig.
00:25:31
Denis Tyrell
Yep.
00:25:35
Kyle Daily
I didn't when I was looking because I had the idea and I was looking for all the ball bearing stuff and I really like his like um being able to put the extra pressure on there. ah But I also like the the more flexibility having one that's kind of free floating.
00:25:50
Kyle Daily
Although sometimes you do, if you're not careful, you slip off and then you hit the bearing against the the grinding belt and then you're trying to like grind out the little flat spot and
00:25:59
Denis Tyrell
yeah ah The one thing I don't, again, I again i don't use push sticks to begin with, but they and I don't even use the the push stick on the Tobin jig, but the one thing I don't like about that one is that it has two bearings.
00:26:07
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:26:12
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:26:12
Denis Tyrell
And when I have used it, no matter where, no matter anything I've ground with it, one of the bearings is like and plus an ounce on an angle. So one bearing is never gonna touch and I'm doing blades with with fullers.
00:26:24
Denis Tyrell
And those bearings never seem to land where I want them to.
00:26:27
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:26:28
Denis Tyrell
And then like and you I know you can adjust them up and down, but I'm like, yeah forget it, I'll just use my hand. But I love the jig, I just don't use the but push lever thing.
00:26:37
Kyle Daily
Yeah, it's definitely what you're what you're comfortable using. I kinda got started with the the push stick, um doing some of the kitchen knives. And then um one of the things that are I'd always use, G10 or micarta, and then the abrasive would like get in on it and you'd get scratching and stuff as you'd like pull it through with the bearing, the grit and stuff doesn't stick in there. So you don't have very much of a mark on there at all as you're pushing.
00:27:05
Kyle Daily
which is really nice.
00:27:06
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah, no, it's good. It's good design
00:27:09
Kyle Daily
Thank you.
00:27:10
Denis Tyrell
um Well, one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on here, we have an announcement, um but I wanted to have you on here mainly to talk about the Knifemakers Guild.
National Knife Makers Guild
00:27:21
Kyle Daily
okay
00:27:21
Denis Tyrell
um So tell me about the Knifemakers Guild because I still, I don't, I'm trying to remember if I joined. I think I got through the whole application once and I had a computer issue and I don't know that I ever got back to it.
00:27:35
Denis Tyrell
I understand the ABS, and obviously you've been in the ABS, I know all that. Tell me about the Knife Makers Guild. what what What is your status in the Knife Makers Guild?
00:27:44
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:27:44
Denis Tyrell
Tell me more about it. And for people, because I think a lot of our audience hears ABS all the time, and I don't know that they know that much about the Knife Makers Guild.
00:27:53
Kyle Daily
Yeah, so I'm actually part of two different Knife Makers Guild, the National like Knife Makers Guild, the bigger like organization, and then I'm also part of the Midwest Knife Makers Guild that we can talk about some also. So then the National Knife Makers Guild used to be one of the one of the big ones, and I believe the ABS used to be part of that also.
00:28:17
Kyle Daily
Um, and then it I think it kind of like split up, split apart some. Um, so the, the knife makers' guild doesn't have any forging requirements. It's, um, basically for the judging and stuff, it's all fit and finish. Um,
00:28:34
Kyle Daily
And we don't really have any requirements on ah what your knife has to look like or any design elements, ah but the knife makers guild started way back in 1970 aging Russell was one of the first presidents, he was actually really int instrumental in bringing a lot of all these knife makers together.
00:28:54
Kyle Daily
um And then they kind of started some of the first knife show stuff. um And then collectors and everything were there also, um in order to have a table at the show, I believe you had to be in the process of becoming in the knife makers guild. um So, the those requirements have like changed over time. ah Currently they have like um
00:29:22
Kyle Daily
The requirement of filling out the application and then you have to show I think it's five knives to four different voting members of the guild. ah We pretty much only have like kind of two main ah spots for knife makers. So we have like probationary and voting membership. So the, ah before you get in the guild, you take your ah application with your knives, you show ah voting members your knives, ah they determine if they feel like you're good enough to be in the guild, and then they sign on your application, um which was pretty cool. I had
00:30:02
Kyle Daily
Um, four knife makers that I really respect. Um, this, this guy, that's kind of a ah big deal. Bill Ruppel signed mine. Uh, Luke Swenson, uh, it's another ah folding knife maker that signed mine.
00:30:10
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:30:14
Kyle Daily
Uh, a really good friend of mine, Dan Peters, and then Andy Roy of Fiddleback Forge. And so those guys, um, thought my knives were good enough quality.
00:30:24
Kyle Daily
Then you take, um, you have to have four different knives that you try to make to the best of your ability. um and you go in for probationary judging and then they look at those four knives give you any feedback and critique and either give you the thumbs up or thumbs down and then you become a probationary member and then you have to make four additional knives to the best of your ability and there used to be a at least one year requirement um between those, ah but now it's, they do the judging at Florida or in Atlanta and Texas. So those are the two two locations and times they do judging for the guild. um Being in Atlanta, it was like a whole year back around before I showed my knives again for ah judging and ah got my voting membership.
00:31:20
Denis Tyrell
So is there any like, you must be a probationary member for a certain amount of time? Or is it just the next show?
00:31:28
Kyle Daily
Uh, the next show that, uh, they can inspect. So if if you, yeah, so if you, um,
00:31:31
Denis Tyrell
Right, okay, so the next Atlanta or Texas show.
00:31:37
Kyle Daily
If you got yours in Texas, which is in like March, you could make four new knives and be ready for Atlanta in June. um But lots of times some of the things, ah it kind of depends on where your quality and stuff is. There is a little bit of reciprocity that we do with the ABS. So if you're a master Smith and you want to become a voting member, it's pretty much a like thumbs up. um And then I'm not sure if there's I'm not sure what they do with journeyman Smith.
00:32:10
Kyle Daily
um But I think there was something that they were doing there. I'm not ah super familiar with that.
00:32:16
Denis Tyrell
Got it.
00:32:17
Kyle Daily
But we don't have any like um forging requirement. There's no the the main things that you have to have for the knife riggers guild is they want you to so grind the knife yourself.
00:32:31
Kyle Daily
And there is like, lots of people that do like ah full CNC things, but they want you to like be the person that programs it and runs the machine.
00:32:41
Denis Tyrell
Really, you can do CNC knives in the knifemakers guild? Wow.
00:32:44
Kyle Daily
Yeah. And there are quite a few people that do CNC knives in the guild and do them really well. And it's, it's been kind of weird. um Lots of people with CNC knives don't realize how much work goes into that also.
00:33:01
Kyle Daily
Like there's a high cost of entry to do that. It's not like you just wave your fingers at the screen and out pops a knife.
00:33:04
Denis Tyrell
Sure. Yeah. Yeah. but Looking, looking what Brian house went through when he bought the the Haas, you know, all the stuff that he went through and he he still is not producing knives out of that thing.
00:33:19
Denis Tyrell
And I know I've talked to him about all of the grief he had in the setup.
00:33:20
Kyle Daily
yeah
00:33:24
Denis Tyrell
And yeah, it's
00:33:25
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, it definitely takes a lot. um But the others, you have to you have to make the the knife yourself. um They want to, or they would prefer to like to see you hand grind it, um but it's not a 100% requirement. um But you basically have to do um a vast majority of the work yourself. And then in the application,
00:33:48
Kyle Daily
um for your probationary, you you write a short summary of how you ah produce a knife. So if you hand grind it, if you use a jig, if you, ah they just want to know how you're doing all that to, um they just want to make sure that you're doing all the work yourself.
00:34:02
Denis Tyrell
Sure.
00:34:05
Denis Tyrell
So there's, and and there's no like requirements, like guards, bolsters, like full tang, hidden tang, like you can do anything.
00:34:13
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, we,
00:34:13
Denis Tyrell
Wow.
00:34:14
Kyle Daily
They mainly go off of just fit fit and finish and making sure that you your grind lines are clean and even and all of your stuff is nice and flat. There's not gaps and um there's not I don't want to say it's not as stringent, but it's a different kind of stringent than the ABS ah where the ABS kind of has like some of their like signature.
00:34:39
Kyle Daily
um Things that they they have for a lot of the the judging knives. But yeah, there's guys that do daggers. There's guys that do kitchen. All of the knives I submitted were kitchen knives. Some of the guys all do slip joints. ah Some of the guys do um like buoys. It's like the gamut of different things. So um yeah I think our majority of the guys in the knife makers guild do folding knives.
00:35:01
Denis Tyrell
Hm.
00:35:07
Kyle Daily
ah There's a handful of us that do kitchen knives, lots of guys that still do a lot of the hunting ah type knives and stuff. But um the knife makers guild was kind of traditionally kind of known for doing some of that like stock removal type knife making.
00:35:24
Denis Tyrell
Nice. Well, that's a good opportunity to mention our first sponsor, Maritime Knife Supply, because Lawrence is, I've been talking to Lawrence back and forth, and he is about to release his folding knife section on Maritime.
00:35:40
Kyle Daily
Nice.
00:35:40
Denis Tyrell
So what which is coincides well with the folder series, the new folder series that I'm doing. So hopefully he gets set up before my series is complete. I think he he's very close. And if you're not into folding knives, Lawrence has got everything, steel abrasives, tooling, hey anything you need for knife making, Lawrence has or email him and he'll get it.
00:36:04
Denis Tyrell
So go check out maritime knife supply, fast and easy shipping from Canada down to the US s or and if you're in Canada, even better.
00:36:04
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:36:15
Kyle Daily
Yeah, I love his 936 belt, the Norton Norax. It's a structured ceramic abrasive and it's one of the only high grit belts that I found that works really well for MagnaCut in such a high wear resistant steel.
00:36:26
Denis Tyrell
Hmm.
00:36:29
Kyle Daily
Those higher grit ceramic structured abrasives help a lot.
00:36:34
Denis Tyrell
and Jared gave me a few of those really high grit um belts. I don't, I think they are Norton's. I haven't used them yet, but.
00:36:42
Kyle Daily
Okay. No, the ceramic structured ones are kind of like a creamish color and they have, they're like little squares. They're not like the.
00:36:49
Denis Tyrell
Oh yeah, no, I have those. Those are um those.
00:36:51
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:36:52
Denis Tyrell
I didn't even know those are ceramic. Yeah, I use those for sharpening actually.
00:36:55
Kyle Daily
Uh, yeah. Norton has two different ones. One that's a lumen oxide and one that's ceramic. The nine 36 ones are the ceramic ones.
00:37:04
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:37:06
Kyle Daily
So yeah, good stuff there.
00:37:09
Denis Tyrell
yeah um So while we're on ads, I'll do one more. I am anxious now that I got my new anvil. I'm thinking I won't interrupt the the triple T's but I may do a build video just doing haven't done a video and just forging a knife. So I think I'm going to do just a forging video and in that I'm going to be using for sure my two bastards hammer.
00:37:38
Denis Tyrell
um which is my go-to hammer. I'll be using the new handful, the new hammer. um But if you will need a hammer for your smithing, definitely go check out Tube Basterds, Texas Smithian supplies, go talk to Frank and Nita.
00:37:51
Denis Tyrell
They will definitely hook you up. ah My favorite is the straight peen, but they got straight peens, cross peens, diagonal peens, every peen that you need.
00:37:59
Kyle Daily
Yeah, one of the what one of the one of the hammers that I saw that was neat that he had was he had like a straight pain and a cross pain on the same hammer.
00:38:00
Denis Tyrell
Kyle, say the line. but
00:38:09
Kyle Daily
And then he had like both sides of diagonal pains. He's one of the the only knife maker or hammer makers I've seen that's been doing that.
00:38:16
Denis Tyrell
Oh, I haven't seen that.
00:38:17
Denis Tyrell
um've seen I've seen the diagonal ones, but yeah the strapping is my go-to. That's the with a round, I mean, a flat face on one side and the strapping on the other.
00:38:17
Kyle Daily
Yeah, I've seen him make a few of those.
00:38:24
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:38:30
Kyle Daily
Ain't it grand to have a fat peen in your hand.
00:38:32
Denis Tyrell
That's right.
00:38:35
Denis Tyrell
So we talked about the Knife Makers Guild. So tell me, how is the the Midwest Knife Makers Guild is affiliated with the National One?
Midwest Knife Makers Guild
00:38:44
Denis Tyrell
How how does how is that connect it, or is it?
00:38:47
Kyle Daily
So I don't believe it is um has its own president and board and stuff. um Our president is Chad. oh Man, I lost his last name.
00:39:00
Kyle Daily
um
00:39:03
Kyle Daily
Sorry, Chad, forgot your last name at the moment. um But yeah, we have our own board of directors and stuff, and I'm one of the directors, and so is Bob Gore, um who some of the listeners may know. But yeah the the Midwest Nightpeakers Guild is more an education-focused guild instead of kind of holding, the National Guild kind of holds makers to a specific standard.
00:39:30
Kyle Daily
The Midwest Native Nuclear Guild has really worked on ah using our dues and fundraising and stuff to put on hammer-ins and guild meetings and stuff to bring in other expertise ah to help teach us about subjects that we're interested in and the guild um membership has been interested in ah to try to help stimulate the the educational value of that. We usually have ah three different ah Guild meetings, a winter meeting, a spring meeting, and a ah fall meeting. And then we also have a hammer-in, and now we have a ah knife show up in Minneapolis, ah the Twin Cities knife show.
00:40:12
Denis Tyrell
It wins that knife show.
00:40:13
Kyle Daily
Yeah, it's in September. I forget the days off the top of my head.
00:40:17
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:40:19
Kyle Daily
um But there's somebody that's going to be pretty cool coming to the hammer in in August. ah Mr. Dennis Tyrell is going to be our headliner, and he's going to be talking about some some really cool stuff.
00:40:31
Kyle Daily
I'm really excited to to see you swing a hammer and do some of that stuff at the the guild meeting. tentatively, I'm planning on teaching some stuff about heat treating and quench plates and trying to use the carbide straightening hammer um to help with some of that stuff. Wes Weremont is one of the other guys that I know of that's going to talk about some photography stuff. We're going to have a lot of really cool presenters there over the two days.
00:40:59
Kyle Daily
And it's at the USA KnifeMaker facility in Mankato, Minnesota. One of the things that I thought was really cool about Mankato that I didn't know until going up there, that's where Little Giant started, the power hammer company.
00:41:12
Denis Tyrell
Oh, really? I didn't know that.
00:41:13
Kyle Daily
And they're they still have the building there, but they're not making any power hammers out of there. But it started in 1908 there in Mankato.
00:41:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I'm actually, well, first of all, I'm honored to be selected um as the headliner. And I know you guys had more echo last year, so you're kind of slumming it next year or this year.
00:41:32
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, we had ah Nick Rossi the year before that, Steve Schwartzer the year before that, so.
00:41:33
Denis Tyrell
ah Wow. Okay, now you're making me nervous. I gotta follow all these guys.
00:41:42
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:41:43
Denis Tyrell
ah Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. It's gonna be fun. um I'm gonna start with a discussion on kumai. um i i'm It's mostly gonna be theory and and in setting up and how tos. Me pressing some kumai in front of everybody is not gonna be that interesting. So it's most that talk is going mostly gonna be just a discussion. We'll talk about you know set up and dos and don'ts and all kinds of things about Copper Damascus.
00:42:12
Denis Tyrell
And then and and there's going to be a progression through all of my three talks um I'm going to finish hopefully finish the the weekend with a finished kumai buoy knife Because the second talk is going to be all on guard fitting how I fit guards You know, it's for no gaps and like how do you set up the knife for the for a guard all kinds of things like that um and then we're going to finish with um handle fitting and handle sculpting for that pretty Coke bottle handle with the nice fine lines on it.
00:42:49
Denis Tyrell
um So if all goes well, we'll have a nice finished kumai bowie bowoie knife at the end of the weekend.
00:42:56
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. That'll be really cool to see. I'm really interested. And oh yeah, I've watching Mareko talk about some of the Damascus stuff that was ah really cool. And Just all of the all the stuff it's amazing how much stuff you learn ah being able to ask questions and spend some time with other makers and even guys that aren't presenting ah usually asking questions and stuff that you don't even think about. um always really good to.
00:43:28
Denis Tyrell
but For sure. In fact, I'm taking my own course from Morocco in March. So I'm doubling up um Morocco and Dave Lish since they're 30 minutes apart. I'll be taking spending a week um with not each but whatever splitting a week out between those guys and which was really cool one of you know, one of my fans or whatever, someone that obviously follows me, listens to the podcast, ah reached out and wanted me to teach a class while I was up there, because he also lives up there.
00:44:03
Denis Tyrell
So that's kind of cool that I can offset some of the cost of my classes by teaching at the last while I'm up there.
00:44:07
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:44:09
Denis Tyrell
So, so that's, ah yeah.
00:44:11
Kyle Daily
It's not, it's not cheap to travel anymore.
00:44:14
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, and taking classes from Dave and Reko aren't cheap either, but well worth the price.
00:44:19
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:44:20
Denis Tyrell
So I am anxious to be up there and and learn from those guys. But um yeah, I got a bunch of classes coming up that I've got to teach.
00:44:31
Denis Tyrell
One is exactly what I'm doing at this hammer-in. So i'll have I'll have taught that exact material twice before the hammer-in. So hopefully I'll get it right by then.
00:44:40
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah the ah the teaching thing is a lot, ah or a lot, interesting or very interesting. um You think you really know what you're doing, and then you teach a class on people that don't know what you're teaching about. And then like, so I've taught a couple of years at Blade University in Atlanta. um Early morning on Saturday, gonna be doing it again for the file work. And I'm gonna be talking about some handle shaping.
00:45:10
Kyle Daily
Um, design stuff. Um, but so like the first time I thought I put together a super great presentation, I thought I like nailed it. And then I had like hours of reshooting pictures and different angles.
00:45:25
Kyle Daily
and all sorts of stuff to to answer all the questions. um And then it's it's progressively gotten a little bit better and better each year ah where I added in doing some of the handle shaping stuff like that, some tips and tricks and pen placement and stuff like that.
00:45:43
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it's definitely like, I wouldn't say I have a background in teaching. I mean, I did a lot of presentations when I was in high-tech. I am a certified SCUBA instructor, so there's a lot of training yeah instruction you have to do in front of people to do that. And I like teaching, so that's kind of one of the things that's interesting to me, and and I'm happy I'm teaching this course twice before the hammer-in, so I'll get it all.
00:46:11
Kyle Daily
Yeah, I'm excited to learn some stuff.
00:46:12
Denis Tyrell
and Yeah, so maybe we'll get you making some kumai.
00:46:19
Kyle Daily
We'll see about it I've got an Apollo Forge and I've got a little like 80 pound anvil. So
00:46:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, so you starting into the the forging aspects of this?
00:46:29
Kyle Daily
ah Like I said, I have my adh brain ADHD brain kind of goes all over the place. A couple years ago, Brent bald man knife and tool. He he mentioned I want to buy a wicked edge for my knife sharpening. I was like, I've got a wicked edge that I don't use. How about you just get that one for me? And he's like, how much do you want for it? I'm like, I don't know. And he goes, would you want an Apollo Forge kit? And I'm like,
00:46:56
Kyle Daily
If you think that's a fair trade, he's like, I'm, I'm good with it. So I got the kit, bought the fire brick, put the whole thing together. Did the, did the initial firings that Brian recommends and it sat for like over a year now. So, uh, got excited about that real or realized, Hey, I can't spend any more time on this. I've got to get back to doing some of my other stuff. And, um, just so many, so many things to do all at once, you know,
00:47:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, ah sometimes you got you gotta to car carve out some, call it education time. in In my, the first episode we did at the beginning of the year, I talked about goals and education for me was a big one that I wanted to spend a lot of effort on this year.
00:47:30
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:47:40
Denis Tyrell
And I think it's important to carve out some and, you know, but yeah, we all gotta pay the bills, but you know, you should carve out a day a month or half a day a month and like work on some,
00:47:46
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:47:52
Denis Tyrell
some new projects, you know, some fun stuff.
00:47:53
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. I totally agree. There's just, sometimes you're like, uh, working from home and stuff now, it's just like, I'm always doing something. And then you're like, Oh, it's the end of the month already.
00:48:09
Kyle Daily
So.
00:48:09
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I'm at that point if the only way I know that it's a ah weekend is that my wife is home.
00:48:15
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:48:16
Denis Tyrell
Cause you know, I'm, I guess I'm technically, you could call it retired, but basically do knife making full time.
00:48:22
Kyle Daily
yeah
00:48:25
Denis Tyrell
You know, that's right.
00:48:25
Kyle Daily
Well, re retired just means tired all over again.
00:48:28
Denis Tyrell
Tired over and over and over.
00:48:30
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:48:31
Denis Tyrell
And that's true.
00:48:31
Kyle Daily
ah Luckily, luckily I have kids in third grade. So, uh, I am very well aware. What day is what? Cause we have all the things on the different days and, uh, yeah.
00:48:41
Denis Tyrell
See, I don't have kids at home anymore. So just me and the wife.
00:48:44
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. My wife is a teacher also. So doubled up on teacher schedule stuff.
00:48:53
Denis Tyrell
Cool, cool. So why don't we go into Maker Spotlight? Who do you who do you have this week? I'm gonna start with yours.
00:49:01
Kyle Daily
ah Yeah, I wanted to give a shout out to one of my good buddies. He's actually like 25 minutes away from me in Elmhurst, Illinois, in the Western suburbs. Justin Lundquist, he's Justin Lundquist on Instagram. um He's got a pretty good following of people. I actually thought he lived in Florida ah because him and Evan Nicolaitis,
00:49:27
Kyle Daily
He's Esnix knives. He makes like some amazing over the top um traditional folder stuff. um a Guy in Florida that beat some of the Texas guys in slip joints. um They did a couple collaboration knives and stuff and always had a booth together. So I thought Justin lived in Florida. And then one ah One of the times I was, or last year was up at the Badger Show in Janesville, Wisconsin. It was like, what are you doing up here? It's like, what do you mean? What am I doing up here? I live up here. And it was like,
00:50:00
Kyle Daily
You're kidding me. He's like you sent me a carbide hammer like totally didn't pay attention didn't connect the name. So, ah but Justin's a great guy. um He makes some some really cool fixed blades and ah has designed a ton of folding knives with a bunch of different production companies over the years, um make some really cool like knucks and worry stones and stuff like that. Just like memento Maury.
00:50:25
Kyle Daily
little worry stone is one that I fidget with on my ah table while I'm podcasting because it's nice and quiet. um But he does lots of really cool stuff. Definitely check him out. He's really getting into hormones and ah doing stuff like that. So definitely check him out.
00:50:41
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, i had I was not following Justin. He was not on my radar, but I am now. Yeah, Justin's got to just over 21,000 followers. So he's got some beautiful stuff.
00:50:52
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:52
Denis Tyrell
And now that I'm kind of into folders, those are the ones that I'm especially noticing more than others, but yeah.
00:50:58
Kyle Daily
Yeah, he's got a little or a nice little shop. He's graciously allowed me to use his laser. So I've been able to laser mark a bunch of my knife making tools and stuff like that. Hopefully, one day I don't have to bother him so much with ah using his laser and I can just go over and bother him, help him out or whatever.
00:51:19
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
Maker Spotlight: Bob Gore
00:51:21
Kyle Daily
Who do you have for a maker spotlight?
00:51:21
Denis Tyrell
so So this week I selected Mr. Bob Gore ah from Metal Storm Forge. ah Bob also was was one of the guys that suggested me as a headliner for the Midwest Knife Makers Guild hammer-in, so I appreciate that.
00:51:39
Denis Tyrell
I've been talking with Bob a couple years now, actually. um Even before he was making his first knife, um we were chatting on the phone.
00:51:49
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, we've just been, you know, kind of friends for a while. And it's great to see him progress so fast in knife making. So if you're not following Bob, definitely go take a look at metal storm underscore Forge.
00:52:04
Denis Tyrell
As of right now, he has 1001 followers. So he just capped over that that one K mark. um So yeah, go give him a follows amazing work.
00:52:12
Kyle Daily
o
00:52:16
Denis Tyrell
um And Bob's like his first knife was what a year ago or something like that.
00:52:21
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:52:22
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, so crazy.
00:52:23
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah, he makes makes some really cool stuff. ah A lot of people can't believe that some of his first knives I had a similar thing with some of the people with my first knife.
00:52:33
Kyle Daily
ah They didn't believe that it was one of my first ones. It didn't look nearly as good as Bob's though. But Bob Bob's been working in metalworking like his entire life. um So
00:52:43
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:52:44
Kyle Daily
he He wasn't coming in at like zero where a lot of knife makers come in. ah Bob's had a lot of fabrication. I believe he made a lot of like like cars and stuff, did a lot of modification on cars and stuff.
00:52:59
Denis Tyrell
he did he did he was even on a tv show for cars um but uh yeah go give bob a follow at metal storm forge and uh check out what he's doing
00:53:03
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
00:53:11
Kyle Daily
Cool.
00:53:12
Denis Tyrell
All right, I want to mention another one of our sponsors. If you're not into making your own Damascus, these are the guys you want to go talk to. ah Baker Fortune Tool makes some of the most amazing Damascus around. um They have a drop every week.
00:53:31
Denis Tyrell
Sorry guys I didn't check what the drop was. um Unfortunately their drops are so good they usually sell out quickly anyway but what you want to do is get the mobile app that'll get you in a day early so you can find out about those drops.
00:53:47
Denis Tyrell
They have they're known for the copper my but they've got a whole ton of um different Damascus and now are introducing and they're starting to play around with stainless Damascus. So you definitely want to keep your eye on Baker Forge and tool. um So use the app. They also have Gator piss, which is a premier etchant for your Damascus. And I think they're going to come out with one. I don't know what they're going to call it Gator piss XL or whatever for stainless.
00:54:16
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:54:16
Denis Tyrell
Um, I don't think they they were asking about a name for it. I don't know if they came up with one, but, um,
00:54:20
Kyle Daily
Okay. Yeah, that was one of the things I was going to, or why I was wondering about with the stainless Damascus, if the Gator Piss was going to work well for that also.
00:54:30
Denis Tyrell
No, they they definitely need a new etchant. You can't, ferric doesn't really touch. Or a ferric, there's some, you know, I know Gatorpis isn't exactly ferric, but it's ferric based.
00:54:40
Kyle Daily
Hmm.
00:54:41
Denis Tyrell
And that's not gonna touch stainless. You need really a lot more muriatic kind of acid, hydrochloric kind of acid to to really mark it. um But yeah, go get yourself some Baker-Forgent tool products.
00:54:55
Denis Tyrell
Use the discount code triplet10. So go get some.
00:55:00
Kyle Daily
That's TTT10.
00:55:02
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, for those that don't want to spell it out, it's TTT10. Yeah, Noah, I'm talking to you.
00:55:12
Denis Tyrell
Oh,
Pelican Paste Praise
00:55:13
Denis Tyrell
so.
00:55:13
Kyle Daily
yeah ah One of the other sponsors that ah you have that I use a lot is Pelican Paste. ah I love that.
00:55:20
Denis Tyrell
Love that stuff.
00:55:21
Kyle Daily
Love that guy. um Travis makes some some great stuff. um I've been a big fan of his Pelican oil ah that works really well with my hammer handles and stuff like that that I use it on ah really fast, able to put it on, let it soak in.
00:55:38
Kyle Daily
I really like it for that. And I've been using his hand soap. ah quite a bit lately, ah have it right next to the kitchen sink, so not using the bathroom sink and getting that one all grody. oh And it really helps to cut through some of the the grease and oils and stuff that we get on our hands while we're knife making.
00:55:59
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, my I love the Pelican paste. The one I use the most is the hard wax, just because I do that on all my knife handles and all the Damascus I finish with with the hard wax. But my one one of my pet peeves here, I got to get this out of my wife's listing. So in our kitchen, my wife insists on having white tea, like the tea towels, whatever you call them on, you know, on the dishwasher on the thing, but they're all white.
00:56:30
Kyle Daily
Okay.
00:56:30
Denis Tyrell
Can't wipe my hands on anything in the kitchen. I have to use paper towel or she's going to yell at me because there's going to be gray streaks down the towels.
00:56:37
Kyle Daily
Yep.
00:56:38
Denis Tyrell
Did you have you your wife do that?
00:56:40
Kyle Daily
We, we have decorative towels and then some towels that are actually used for wipe or drying or using in the kitchen. So, uh, yeah, I feel your pain.
00:56:48
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:56:51
Kyle Daily
Uh, some of those decorative towels, like why, why have it there if you can't use it?
00:56:55
Denis Tyrell
We used to actually have a black dish towel, which I thought was the best black dish. What a great invention for a knife making spouse, but.
00:57:05
Kyle Daily
I don't mind being white and having the, having it, uh, get stains and stuff on it. Cause you can actually see, uh, when you need to get it used, but, uh, I'm, I'm much more of a form over function guy.
00:57:20
Kyle Daily
Sometimes, uh, I do like stuff to look good. Don't get me wrong. Uh, but, uh, I don't, don't like having just decorative stuff around sometimes, but gotta, gotta blend those two, two halves.
00:57:31
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, well, you let the girls have what they need, you know?
00:57:39
Kyle Daily
Yep, my wife loves to cook a lot so the kitchen is her domain.
00:57:40
Denis Tyrell
Oh, that's good. Okay, I got a quiz question for you then.
00:57:44
Kyle Daily
ah
00:57:46
Denis Tyrell
How many of your own knives do you have in the kitchen?
00:57:49
Kyle Daily
um Probably about eight or nine.
00:57:52
Denis Tyrell
Wow, that's really good.
00:57:54
Kyle Daily
Yeah. So starting out, um I have a bunch of my early ones that were ones that I was testing out trying to figure out what I wanted to do. And then before I went full time, I was trying to have like every 100 knives, I was trying to save that one.
00:58:12
Kyle Daily
um
00:58:12
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:58:13
Kyle Daily
And then it sort of became ended up going to somebody that I knew wouldn't ever get rid of it. So like number 200 went to my sister in law for it was a carving knife that they used to cut the cake at their wedding and stuff like that. um So I have a fair, fair number of ah of my own kitchen knives in there that I love using. um The one of them that's in there that I It was using was the the first one that ever got into a publication.
00:58:40
Kyle Daily
So my number 300 was a s ground magnet cut chef knife ah was in the knives annual 2023 or 2024 24 I believe.
00:58:48
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:58:53
Kyle Daily
um And then I have another a couple of my knives that were in the article that was that clay wrote about me and knife magazine this past October, which was a really great article talking about some of my backstory and how I got into knives and there's even a picture of my boys holding a couple knives we made with them after blade show.
00:59:14
Denis Tyrell
Nice. That reminds me, I have another topic that I did not put into the notes that I need to talk about, which is you mentioned articles.
00:59:19
Kyle Daily
Hmm.
00:59:24
Denis Tyrell
So in this month, I guess it's the February issue of Blade magazine, they did a an article on Mystique of the East, and it's all on um ah like kind of Japanese Eastern kind of blades.
Blade Magazine Correction
00:59:42
Denis Tyrell
um And they used the picture of my silver katana as the you know the the article.
00:59:49
Kyle Daily
Give the main article picture.
00:59:51
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Uh, I was very happy with it. The only thing that I was not happy about is if you read the article, it says that the, the, the, cause I, I sent the blade guy who I forget his name. Um, sorry. I'm sure he's not listening, but I sent him a bunch of notes, you know, just discussing the blade. And I said in my notes that I chose not to do a differential heat treat on the blade.
01:00:22
Denis Tyrell
because I didn't want to I didn't want to alone to mess up the Damascus makes perfect sense right because the Damascus on the top and the bottom it would look goofy um but what made it to the article was he chose not to heat treat the blade in order not to mess up the Damascus
01:00:28
Kyle Daily
Mm hmm.
01:00:39
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:00:43
Denis Tyrell
And I'm like, wait a second. So I've already reached out to Blade, and hopefully they're going to print a correction. Because who makes who makes a katana and doesn't he treat it?
01:00:54
Kyle Daily
yeah
01:00:54
Denis Tyrell
it you know One word.
01:00:57
Kyle Daily
Some gas station katanas are probably not heat treated, but yeah.
01:00:58
Denis Tyrell
Right? Exactly. Half the people are reading that article thinking I'm a hack now. But I was thrilled to have it in the magazine. Hopefully they print a correction and say, yes, indeed.
01:01:10
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:01:10
Denis Tyrell
It was he treated. um
01:01:13
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:01:13
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, nobody spends that much on a katana.
01:01:14
Kyle Daily
That's a, that's always a little, little disheartening when they don't get some of those things right. But it's, it's hard to get all those things correct, but you kind of wish they would have gotten that one, that one, right.
01:01:26
Denis Tyrell
yeah Yeah, if they would have just put the word differentially in it, he chose not to differentially heat treat it, then it would have made sense.
01:01:33
Kyle Daily
Yep.
01:01:35
Denis Tyrell
But better it is what it is.
01:01:37
Kyle Daily
Yep. Yep.
01:01:38
Denis Tyrell
But hopefully people understand that, you know,
01:01:39
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:01:43
Denis Tyrell
but that That's not the issue. Anyway, I was happy that it was in the magazine and they talked about it and put my headshot in there.
01:01:43
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:01:49
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:01:50
Denis Tyrell
That was great.
01:01:51
Kyle Daily
Yeah, that was awesome. I opened it up. Admittedly, I didn't have time to read. I always try to like thumb through and see if I see anybody that I oh follow. So it was nice to see see somebody that i I knew in there.
01:02:05
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I do the same thing. I flipped through really fast to look at all the pictures and then I go back and I read the article. Actually, I haven't even got mine yet. I'm still waiting. I actually bought it ah ah digitally online just so I could read the article.
01:02:16
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:02:17
Denis Tyrell
um
01:02:18
Kyle Daily
Maybe they are. Hopefully they got maybe they got just the digital one messed up and the print one was.
01:02:23
Denis Tyrell
No, because other people have said, yeah, I was wondering about that too, but yeah.
01:02:27
Kyle Daily
Oh, bummer. Yeah, no dice there.
01:02:30
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:02:31
Kyle Daily
um Yeah. But one of the things you had mentioned earlier, you were talking about some collaborations. I wanted to to mention the collaboration you forgot that you did on the podcast the other couple of weeks ago.
01:02:40
Denis Tyrell
I know. Yeah, that's right. We did a collaboration between the, on the Sand Shark, um on the the, what do we call it, the Sand Shark Buddy, the the holders for the for the sticks.
01:02:46
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Mm hmm.
01:02:53
Kyle Daily
For the sanding buddy. Mm hmm. Yeah, Dennis came to me and he said, I'd love to try to integrate the the sanding buddy for granting grant or doing folders as grinds and stuff. And um with the with that, I also had a bunch of people reach out to me for the flat ah inserts um I had always kind of steered people to my G10 and micarta sticks that are flat for doing the flat ones but um for the sand shark buddy it really made sense to have the the inserts there for the flats and looks really nice. ah i I laughed so hard when you were like doing all the little videos and you were drinking coffee with your elbow on the sanding buddy just applying the downward pressure. so
01:03:41
Denis Tyrell
yeah that was
01:03:41
Kyle Daily
turned out really good I was really happy with how that all came together and like all the the little hidden um nuts and screws and how that all, um yeah, we were i was we were looking for wing nuts and stuff that would work and I ended up just 3D printing my own knob and making my own little, oh yeah.
01:04:03
Denis Tyrell
which work way better. They're much easier. like you know We're knife makers. We don't want to fiddle with tiny little parts. We need like big knobs and stuff.
01:04:11
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:04:14
Kyle Daily
yep Yep.
01:04:15
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, um and for everyone, sand sharks are back in stock so you can get a sand shark and then go on over to Kyle's site and go get the sanding buddy. um the the The sand shark buddy, I always get the name. sandia The holders for the the sanding the sanding buddy sticks. It does make it a lot easier. It takes all that back and forth stress off of your arms.
01:04:42
Denis Tyrell
um Because the table the ah the tables moving you can whoops you can drop the sanding buddy into the holders and It just does all the work for you. You need a little bit of downward pressure and Yeah, Bob's your uncle as we like to say Yep
01:04:56
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah, just keep moving it or move it around a little bit working through all the grits.
01:05:04
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:05:04
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I had to ship three sanding sand sharks today as a matter of fact So yeah
01:05:08
Kyle Daily
Nice. I'm glad those are selling well. I had i had made my own ah version of that and had thought about trying to do something and you had a much better idea for how to manufacture some of that stuff. Cause I was, I don't have a mill or stuff like that and was kind of struggling to come up with a ah way to make that cost effective to ship out. and make those So I'm glad you helped the knife community in that way.
01:05:40
Kyle Daily
And, uh, I've definitely seen, seen a lot of people make different things like that.
01:05:42
Denis Tyrell
yeah
01:05:45
Kyle Daily
And you came up with a pretty elegant solution to fix that problem.
01:05:50
Denis Tyrell
There's definitely a lot of learning involved. ah you know had to basically learn fusion 360 and do all the parts and and actually um Jeff my machinist who helped a lot on hey let's do it cause and I'm sure you know some of this but you when you work with someone who knows like who machines parts for a living and because I'll give you one one example there's like one of the little holders okay it's got two holes on one plane and another hole on another plane so it screws down and then there's another bolt that screws horizontally through it and I was making a left and a right and Jeff said
01:06:34
Denis Tyrell
Just to make it easy I know it's more holes but why don't you just put all of the holes on one of them and then you don't need a left and a right and he can just machine them faster because there isn't a left and right he doesn't have to keep track and I'm like yeah god i keep hittting one um and I'm like yeah i did
01:06:50
Kyle Daily
Aperture hour over here.
01:06:53
Denis Tyrell
I know, right? um And I'm like, that's the kind of thing I wouldn't think about, because I'm thinking fewer holes equals better, but not having to set up the machine and put more like differently and run different programs, it's actually easier.
01:07:10
Denis Tyrell
so
01:07:11
Kyle Daily
yeah Yeah, that was one of the things that um I really tried to always do a lot with. When I worked at the machine shop, the the machinists that I worked with, there were like three other guys that worked there pretty much full time. um It was amazing just learning a whole bunch of that stuff, different ways to set up parts to make ah fabrication and stuff easier. And then when I was designing test fixtures and stuff at Navistar, I would go,
01:07:39
Kyle Daily
down and talk to the the main boss guy of the machine shop. It was like, so Bill, this is what i'm what I'm working on. You got any ideas? He's like, no, you're on the right track. Or, hey, have you seen this over here?
01:07:51
Kyle Daily
Like, this is already something we can just buy. And then we can just put some more holes in it. I'm like, oh, that's a lot easier.
01:07:57
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:07:59
Kyle Daily
All right, what go get a requisition. So there was a lot.
01:08:03
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, and ah that's one of the things I did for the Sandtrick.
01:08:04
Kyle Daily
that
01:08:06
Denis Tyrell
I wanted to buy as many parts as I could that were done because machining parts is not cheap. um People think, oh yeah, you just make this little part with four holes in it. Yeah, it's not cheap to get things custom machined.
01:08:20
Kyle Daily
Yeah, one of the one of the things that I sell Richard Beck machines them for me, but is my water cooled quench plates. ah They're ah four inches by 18 inches or size ah for kitchen knives or any bigger knives it works for smaller knives too. But um yeah, he machines those in his CNC out of aluminum. And it's worked really great for holding holding the blade straight and keeping them cool doing bigger batches.
01:08:47
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I have like a DIY water cooled quench plates with just the the plates you buy off Amazon, but I'm sure yours is a bit more. is it Are they machined in halves and then they're bolted together? Is that what they're?
01:09:02
Kyle Daily
So it's like a three quarter inch piece and then a quarter inch piece and it has a O-ring seal on the outside and then one on the inside too.
01:09:09
Denis Tyrell
I see.
01:09:10
Kyle Daily
So you can drill whatever hole spacing and we have some nice lines in the middle there that's centered ah so you can line them up to mount them in a ah vice. Anything that has, it's a little over six inches spacing and you can drill right through them um and they're all sealed and really nice.
01:09:29
Denis Tyrell
Cool. Have you ever done a video or anything about like, like the temperature that those things stay at if you're running water through them, um like stats or anything like that?
01:09:40
Denis Tyrell
I know I've done my own on mine, but I'm key.
01:09:41
Kyle Daily
i haven't done ah I haven't really done a video, but I used to put ice in with the bucket. um I've determined that I don't need to do that, and it also helps the plates not to sweat with getting water on them. kind of if you forget to turn the pump off from cycling or whatever. um But I've done like 15 magna cut knives at 2150 and it's raised the five gallon a bucket of water up like 10 degrees and the plates had stayed the same temperature as the water.
01:10:14
Kyle Daily
the whole time. So I usually start with something like right out of the hose, somewhere around 60 degrees. um And then yeah it'll heat up to like 70 or 75.
01:10:25
Denis Tyrell
Oh, that's good. So, but you know, maybe a 20 degree swing.
01:10:26
Kyle Daily
Yeah. and Yeah.
01:10:29
Denis Tyrell
That's not bad. Yeah. I do use the ice water in mine, but I, you know, I'm most, I may be doing, maybe doing six blades. I don't usually do big batches, but yeah, I know what you mean.
01:10:37
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. The, it was like a bigger thing in between the batches, um, where they would, it would start to get like sweat, like, uh, your cup. And, uh, yeah, it was like, eh, it's not, not really doing that much for me.
01:10:48
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:10:54
Kyle Daily
And I didn't have to like rob all the ice out of the ice maker and stuff like that too.
01:10:59
Denis Tyrell
I know exactly what you mean.
01:11:02
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:11:04
Denis Tyrell
oh So um just I'm looking through my notes. is one of the So I don't know if you you you obviously don't have this problem up where you live. Maybe you do.
01:11:15
Denis Tyrell
I had the biggest black widow spider under my workbench this week that I've ever seen.
01:11:23
Kyle Daily
Okay.
01:11:24
Denis Tyrell
End to end, like we get black widows here, like this is California, right?
01:11:26
Kyle Daily
Okay.
01:11:29
Denis Tyrell
I took a picture. I should post i haven't posted it on Instagram. I swear this thing end to end on its legs was almost two inches long.
01:11:37
Kyle Daily
Wow.
01:11:37
Denis Tyrell
The body on this thing was probably a half an inch. It was massive.
01:11:42
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:11:43
Denis Tyrell
And it's like, when I'm, especially when I'm, when I'm sanding, when I'm at my sanding machine, not the sand shark, I'm usually have my feet on the bench, like the, the lower shelf, which is exactly where this spider was.
01:11:52
Kyle Daily
Ooh.
01:11:55
Kyle Daily
Wow.
01:11:55
Denis Tyrell
And it's not that I love spiders, but man, scary stuff.
01:11:59
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. The, I think the black widow and the brown recluse are like the two most poisonous ones, right?
01:12:07
Denis Tyrell
Mmm, no, the blam brown look who's recluses by far worse, but they almost never bite people because There is very uncommon black widows on the other hand or You know a little more common because they're in they like low concrete Areas like the corner of my shop is dark concrete.
01:12:11
Kyle Daily
Okay.
01:12:19
Kyle Daily
more common or.
01:12:29
Kyle Daily
Okay.
01:12:30
Denis Tyrell
That's where they live. So I
01:12:31
Kyle Daily
Yeah. But do you, you missed a perfect opportunity to become Spider-Man?
01:12:36
Denis Tyrell
right
01:12:39
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, but knowing, knowing my luck, it wouldn't be a radioactive spider. It's like, it's probably choked on grinding dust or something.
01:12:49
Kyle Daily
yeah I think some of the brown recluse, if I remember correctly, live in some of like firewood piles or like to live in.
01:12:54
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:12:56
Kyle Daily
but So we I think we have some more of those around ah where I'm ah at. But the the cold weather helps keep some of that stuff ah at bay a little bit.
01:13:07
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. So all these questions, cause I've, I've never had a shop, you know, I'm from Toronto, so I know about cold weather, but these things that I never faced cause I was never a knife maker in Canada.
01:13:18
Denis Tyrell
Um, do you have issues with like your quench bucket freezing? Like is your, is your shop heated?
01:13:25
Kyle Daily
Yeah, my shop is heated.
01:13:26
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
01:13:27
Kyle Daily
So I have like a 180,000 BTU natural gas, ah Mr.
01:13:32
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
01:13:33
Kyle Daily
Heater thing ah that I got plumbed in um and I've got a nest thermostat in it ah goes up and down and the night cools down or it's set at like 50 degrees and then at about five o'clock or something, it starts heating up to like 62 or 65 or something like that.
01:13:53
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
01:13:54
Kyle Daily
um for when I'm when I go out there after the boys are at school.
01:14:00
Denis Tyrell
So is it attached to your house or is it a separate, like a fully separate shop?
01:14:04
Kyle Daily
It's detached. Yeah, it's a it was a three car garage um that I've kind of you kind of use a little over half depending on how you
01:14:05
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
01:14:14
Kyle Daily
ah measure things. We still park my wife's car in there during the winter. um But ah during the summer, she usually has that spot filled with her gardening stuff and wheelbarrows and the boys have their bikes and all sorts of stuff.
01:14:28
Kyle Daily
So it's a three car garage.
01:14:29
Denis Tyrell
So you're like 15 by 20. Like how big is your shop but about that?
01:14:35
Kyle Daily
So it's um
01:14:37
Denis Tyrell
Mine's a two card is 20 by 20. So that's what I'm using for a reference here.
01:14:40
Kyle Daily
It's, it's probably, I think it's like 25 by 35.
01:14:45
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
01:14:46
Kyle Daily
But I kind of like have like an L L shape, ah where I've got a bunch of storage racks, and then my table saw and grinders and stuff all along the one side.
01:14:50
Denis Tyrell
I see.
01:14:58
Kyle Daily
So one, the one car, so I've got a one car a garage door, and then a two car garage door. And the one car garage door is pretty much completely covered with knife making stuff.
01:15:08
Denis Tyrell
Right. Okay.
01:15:09
Kyle Daily
which it's nice to be able to open that up from time to time and use the leaf blower and get out any of the extra I try to clean up and suck up as much as I can with the vacuum before I blow it out the door.
01:15:21
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah, I usually do that once a quarter. And I'm sure my neighbors hate it because all their cars are coated in crap. but
01:15:29
Kyle Daily
we're We're pretty lucky because where we found our house, we looked for quite a while. We've got a little over an acre. um And there's a like 80 acre farm at the end of our driveway and with the Forest Preserve, which is really unique for this area. And yeah, don't have to don't really have to worry about being on top of each other and have a bigger, bigger yard and garden and stuff. We don't have like another house right next to us. If I blow the stuff out, it's mainly just worrying about my car.
01:16:00
Denis Tyrell
Oh no, I live in a subdivision, like my neighbors are like 25 feet away from me kind of thing on both sides.
01:16:07
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:16:07
Denis Tyrell
So who um theyre yeah, the only the only the only tool that I don't have that I want is a power hammer. And that is not in my future at this at this location, but someday.
01:16:19
Kyle Daily
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I can imagine that's a ah very loud piece of equipment. and And what a lot of people don't understand is like sound travels through the ground too. So um We did a lot of hydraulic shaker testing and we would, oh we had to put the the hydraulic shakers over ah ground because there was basement in a lot of our building. And they actually had to move one of the the people that had like a ah storage facility area, they had to move it to another area of the basement because the shakers, all the sound going through the ground and through the wall of the basement.
01:17:00
Kyle Daily
Um, was just so loud that they, they moved those, uh, people to another area.
01:17:07
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I mean, I built a power hammer before I built the press, like a tire hammer. And it would, and it was bolted to the foundation in the in the shop, in the garage.
01:17:19
Denis Tyrell
It would vibrate the foundation of the entire house when that thing would, like I had it for a week and I had to sell it because my wife would be upstairs at the opposite end of the house and the whole house is like, like you could feel it through the wall.
01:17:23
Kyle Daily
Okay. okay
01:17:33
Denis Tyrell
So,
01:17:34
Kyle Daily
Yeah.
01:17:34
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, someday.
01:17:36
Kyle Daily
So, uh, so are you thinking of like, uh, maybe go into one of those like rolling mills in addition to your press or something since you can't have a, ok okay.
01:17:46
Denis Tyrell
I have, I already have a ruling though. Um, yeah, great tool. Um, but, uh, still doesn't do the power hammer, what a power hammer does.
01:17:51
Kyle Daily
Okay.
01:17:54
Denis Tyrell
Um, just the, I would like a power hammer just to, just to optimize Damascus.
01:17:57
Kyle Daily
Yeah. The versatility.
01:18:02
Denis Tyrell
Um, just to be able to do things faster. Because I am noticing that with the press, I'm doing more heats, it's more scale coming off. I'm losing more of a pattern sometimes due to scale that I wouldn't on a power hammer because what I would do in four or five heats with a press, I'm gonna do in one heat with a power
Power Hammer vs. Metal Dies
01:18:25
Denis Tyrell
hammer.
01:18:25
Kyle Daily
Okay. And that's just because the power hammer is ah moving that material faster to like kind of heat it back up or.
01:18:35
Denis Tyrell
It's because it's only contacting the material for a millisecond when the hammer hits it, ah plus it's just a hammer hitting steel is gonna, whatever, excite the atoms, heat it up, as opposed to pressing on it slowly with metal dies.
01:18:39
Kyle Daily
Okay. Okay.
01:18:53
Denis Tyrell
It just sucks the heat out.
01:18:55
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah.
01:18:56
Denis Tyrell
So that's the big deal.
Coal Forge Technique
01:18:57
Kyle Daily
There's where one of the videos that I will always watch whenever it comes up on my feed is that guy that takes a he starts his coal forge without a ah lighter, he like hammers up some wood and then he like hammers a piece of steel until it turns red hot and then sticks it into the paper.
01:19:06
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:19:14
Kyle Daily
oh That just ah boggles my mind every time.
01:19:14
Denis Tyrell
yep Yeah. And I don't, I've i've never tried it, but um I've seen people do it. And I think you got to have the right size stock and you have to know what you're doing, obviously, but it's it's a pretty cool technique to be able to light a fire like that.
01:19:30
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, definitely cool.
01:19:33
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
Introduction of Rock Solid Scales
01:19:34
Denis Tyrell
um I want to mention our last sponsor, Rock Solid Scales, they're the maker of Griptech, which is this revolutionary rubber and resin composite material. Basically, it's like little rubber beads and then they pour resin over it, gives you a really grippy um texture to hold on to. It's great for any kind of knives that are, you know, especially kitchen knives, anything that could potentially be wet. You're on a boat, you want a fillet knife. This stuff is awesome. Definitely what it's targeted to hunting knives, skinning knives, any kind of game processing knife. That's where grip tech really shines. And it's really beautiful. And he's coming up with some really nice patterns.
01:20:18
Denis Tyrell
and it's easy to work with. You can sand it up to even 220 and then sand blast it and you're ready to go.
01:20:27
Kyle Daily
Yeah, that he uses a lot of ground up rubber. ah So those like they're kind of like not uniform, which I think is really cool. And then, yeah, ah Matt is doing a bunch of really cool stuff with porn and some different molds and stuff like that. There's some some really cool things that he's sent me behind the scenes um and I'm excited for him to so do that. he's We have a little chat group that he sometimes says, what do you guys think about this? Is there something you change or oh different things? So he gets a little bit of maker feedback.
01:21:03
Denis Tyrell
Well, that's good.
01:21:03
Kyle Daily
Really cool guy, really nice guy ah sells a ton of like, ah wood scales and stuff. um so The scales that I um put on my ah eight inch chef knife that won best chef knife with our knife makers guild in Atlanta that was on the cover of blade or a knife magazine ah was actually some ah Hawaiian coa that came from him.
01:21:27
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
01:21:29
Kyle Daily
So yeah, beautiful stuff.
01:21:29
Denis Tyrell
Love Koa. Yeah. Very cool. Well, um that about wraps it up for me. You got anything else you want to talk about, Kyle?
Carbide Hammers Benefits
01:21:41
Kyle Daily
Yeah, just like to let the let the listeners know, make sure you check me out for some of my knife making tools. ah The carbide straightening hammers was one of the things that I've really sold a lot of. And I think it's one of those beneficial things that everybody should have some kind of carbide hammer in their shop.
01:22:01
Kyle Daily
ah for straightening blades. If you haven't seen one work, I've got a really good YouTube video ah where I do the whole process without ah speeding it up. So I take a really bad warp knife and I straighten it in under 10 minutes. The whole video is under 10 minutes. ah There's about oh five or six minutes of hammering, lots of ah explanation of what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. so um Definitely check those out. The ah SL stone holders at the SL stands for suck less. One of ah oh what is my one of my good friends, ah he yeah
01:22:39
Kyle Daily
um huh He had the the sanding sticks and he wrote a little jingle, it was helping your hand sanding suck less. ah So the the stone holders I gave him a little nod. oh That's ah Sean Mullen belt. 51 Bravo, if ah you guys haven't followed him give him a follow.
01:23:00
Kyle Daily
um But it's a ah stone holder, um hints, knives, and parable knives, or parable crafts, or is he still using Manny? Is he still using parable knives on Instagram?
01:23:13
Denis Tyrell
I don't know.
01:23:13
Kyle Daily
Manny Gutierrez. But they like cobbled together some stuff to get it to use with a reciprocating saw, and I really liked that idea. And I didn't want to cut the guard off of the front of the the smaller hacksaw that they had done ah to get those parts to fit. So I ended up designing up a thing with some plates that I get cut from SinCutSend and um some parts that I three d or use my 3D printer to make to hold ah stones.
Silicon Carbide Stones
01:23:43
Kyle Daily
I really like the Mold Maker Plus stones from Geiswine. They're a silicon carbide, ah so it really works well on MagnaCut and all sorts of other steels and it helps to get those grind lines off the grinder off really quickly and build that base ah so you aren't having to use the sand shark or ah your elbow grease as much to get a lot of those out.
01:24:06
Kyle Daily
ah You still still take some finesse with being able to move it around and stuff. um But make sure you check those out. And then the the smooth pass sticks. We talked about those a little bit with the the ball bearing at the front. um That has helped out a lot of people.
01:24:22
Kyle Daily
um The sand shark buddies and the sanding buddies always work well together. And then I have ah what's called a sanding buddy micro. So that's for some of the slip joint guys, some of the smaller folder guys. um They had messaged me and ah said, I love your sanding buddy, but the one inch width ah takes up pretty much the entire knife. ah Can I get something that's like a half an inch? ah So I made some some smaller ones there. and ah Yeah, tons of tons of different things, epoxy bottle holders, um all sorts of little ah gadgets and organized organizing gizmos that has helped my knife making career out a ton.
01:25:04
Kyle Daily
So I wanted to let you guys know that. And then I've got a patch of or sorry, do you have something else with that?
01:25:07
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:25:10
Denis Tyrell
No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Finish your thought.
01:25:12
Kyle Daily
I've got a batch of pocket bushcrafters that's going to be going to KnifeCenter soon. um And then some more of my kitchen knife inventory that's going to be going to Northside Cutlery. ah So hopefully you'll see those soon also.
01:25:27
Denis Tyrell
Cool. i
Carbide Hammers for Titanium
01:25:29
Denis Tyrell
You know what? I use the my carbide hammer for, well, I won't say the most, but um Now that I'm doing folders, I find myself screwing up the lock bar once in a while.
01:25:43
Denis Tyrell
And I use that to lengthen the lock bar um on the titanium liners, because then I don't have to take a punch.
01:25:47
Kyle Daily
Okay.
01:25:50
Denis Tyrell
And um so just whacking it, you know, five or 10 times with a carbide hammer on either side lengthens that lock bar enough that if you make a little oops grinding the the lock face on your blade, carbide hammers are perfect for that.
01:26:05
Kyle Daily
Nice.
01:26:06
Denis Tyrell
I even turned my master Smith, Mike Vagnino onto it and i I sent him a carbide hammer for that very purpose.
01:26:14
Kyle Daily
Very cool. Yeah. They're a surprise or they're, they're not overly hard to make, but you got to know what you're doing to like, if you use a hammer that you already make sure you soften it back to drill, drill the thing. I like to braise the, the ball in ah lots of guys like JB weld it. Um, but yeah, lots of different ways to skin a cat and, uh, feel like that's the, one of the best ways to never have it worry about coming out.
01:26:42
Denis Tyrell
Yep.
Contact and Social Media
01:26:43
Denis Tyrell
All right. It's been great having you on, Kyle. Where can people find you if they don't already know you?
01:26:48
Kyle Daily
Yeah, you can find me at cage daily knives calm and I'm cage daily knives on all of the social media, most active on Instagram and um yeah have stuff on Facebook and tick tock, although I'm not extremely active on tick tock, but also have they turned it all back on.
01:27:05
Denis Tyrell
Well, nobody in the US s is right now. Don't worry about it. Oh, did they? Oh, I'm not a TikTok guy.
01:27:10
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, like all got turned back on yesterday and I think he was so or President Trump was signing a 90 day extension thing so oh yeah it's all back on.
01:27:11
Denis Tyrell
so
01:27:22
Denis Tyrell
No.
01:27:25
Kyle Daily
Not ah all the people aren't having to scream their heads off, but
01:27:29
Denis Tyrell
no
01:27:29
Kyle Daily
Yeah, pretty much cage daily knives anywhere that you can find me also, you can keep in touch with the podcast that I'm a part of at knife perspective calm and we're on everywhere that you can find podcasts also we we usually do.
Upcoming Blade Show and Podcast
01:27:43
Kyle Daily
Dan Eastland and me he's dogwood custom knives on Instagram ah mentioned him he was one of the guys that It took me to the first first my first knife shop.
01:27:54
Kyle Daily
But we usually interview different guests. We're going to be having a show with Spence from Even Heat ah that's going to be coming out soon.
01:28:00
Denis Tyrell
Oh, cool.
01:28:02
Kyle Daily
ah We've got 108 episodes. or well That'll be episode 108. So ah lots of listening if you are searching for more knife maker content.
01:28:13
Denis Tyrell
Great. Very cool. And we will see you at Blade Show in June.
01:28:18
Kyle Daily
Yep. I'll be at table three, double B again, and I will be teaching my file work class again. And I believe that's still going to be Saturday morning at, I think it's eight 30.
01:28:31
Denis Tyrell
Nice. It's a rough time slot, but yeah.
01:28:33
Kyle Daily
Yeah, it's a little bit of a rough time slot, but it's nice to be able to not be away from the table all that much and still have quite a few people be able to get the, get the things that they need to get to.
01:28:46
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Well, you get the serious people because they're the ones that got up early for the, uh, for the presentation.
01:28:51
Kyle Daily
Yeah, I know, ah Ryan from the hustle and grind he, he missed, missed the, missed the class one year. I usually always have one or two people that come up to my table after and say I totally slept through it.
01:29:05
Kyle Daily
I'm so sorry. And had one guy ah by the class the next year, he goes, man, I really wish I would have taken this last year because I would have helped me a whole bunch the year before.
01:29:17
Kyle Daily
So
01:29:17
Denis Tyrell
Honestly, you know, I've never, I always have a high aspirations of going to, a I've never made it to a class at Blade Show because I'm just too busy talking to people or watching the table, even though it's Jared and I.
01:29:31
Denis Tyrell
So it's like any either of us could leave, but maybe this year.
01:29:34
Kyle Daily
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to take the time to be away from your table. ah Lots of times I feel like that's like you mentioned the education, that's a really good place to oh get some of those people that already have expertise that they're wanting to share about.
Learning from Mistakes
01:29:51
Kyle Daily
um Yeah, i've ah that's helped me up my game a ton. ah It's always a lot cheaper to learn from other people's mistakes than it is to do your own. So yeah.
01:30:01
Denis Tyrell
that is so true so all right with that we're going to end this 50th episode of Triple T for knife makers thanks again Kyle for joining me today and we will be back with Jared and I next week no idea what we're going to talk about i'm sure we're going to hear all about his vacation all right thanks Kyle oh wait hold on can't there it is
01:30:23
Kyle Daily
Nice. Thank you.
01:30:45
Kyle Daily
And that's a wrap.