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Heeter and Garrett need a name...
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Surprise! A new podcast from Garrett and Hardway Heeter! We don't know the name of the show yet, but we'd love your suggestions!
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Introduction to the New Show
00:00:35
Speaker
So here we are on the pre-determined feed. This is pre-determined presents blank. This is a brand new show starring myself, Garrett Callender, and your favorite KOBK member, Hardwaiter. Hi, everyone.
00:00:55
Speaker
How are you doing? Yeah, this is gonna be a little different than what we normally do on these shows, which is have a good time. We're gonna have a bad time. Just the worst, absolute worst time. That's what I'm here for. I don't bring a good vibe.
00:01:14
Speaker
I mean, kill or be killed is scary. This is... I'm aware. I'm aware. Listen, as a member of KOBK, I also scared.
What's in a Name?
00:01:30
Speaker
But yeah, we don't have a name for this show. So what we're going to do... Well, here's what I'll say is that I have definitely had concussions. That is my excuse for not being able to come up with a name.
00:01:44
Speaker
So what this show is gonna be, it's gonna be more a death match centric because I think Heater and I have both more recently gotten into death matches.
Why Deathmatch over Mainstream?
00:01:54
Speaker
Very much so. Two different sides of it though. Well yeah, cause I remember growing up watching like ECW and my favorite stuff from ECW was like,
00:02:07
Speaker
the more hardcore stuff and that kind of led to uh the I think the next company I watched was XPW which was like a weird offshoot of like it was like all the ECW guys but like with glass
00:02:26
Speaker
So it's like AEW Dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if that's what that show is. I have not seen it. Adam Priest is on there. He's AEW Dark superstar Adam Priest. So it's JD Drake. Oh yeah, JD Drake. There's some guys we like on there. There are a few guys on there that we like. They just give me a two and a half hour show. See, this is what this show is not. We are not going to talk. Yeah, fuck AEW Dark. Fuck all those guys.
00:02:53
Speaker
They've got enough platforms. They have a two and a half hour YouTube show. I'm here to talk about ruckus. I'm here to talk about.
Storytime: Sandman at GCW
00:03:05
Speaker
like later year Sandman matches, like I'm thinking like 2000 to like 2004, like when he was doing like minnable but some death matches. The last Sandman interaction I had was at GCW, Lost in New York. Oh yeah? And he was going around the crowd pouring beer in everybody's mouths. And the friend that I was with is sober now.
00:03:34
Speaker
And I was just like, please don't pour beer on her. She'll never come with me to wrestling again. I take it that she didn't get any beer. She did not, but oh my God, it came close. He was coming down our road. You could almost see Sandman eyeballing her. And then she like just full fear in her eyes. And I'm like, this isn't the one.
Garrett's Wrestling Influences
00:03:56
Speaker
Oh, man. But yeah, let's talk about deathmatch stuff instead.
00:04:01
Speaker
Let's talk about like, I don't know. Freedoms is a good company now that's going on. I'd like to talk some about freedoms. Maybe some old CZW. Definitely some some FMW. I'm very much into some FMW, but it doesn't necessarily have to be deathmatch centric.
00:04:21
Speaker
just what I would call a more niche market of wrestling. Also, like a bunch of all Japan would be cool because like I love the King's Road stuff. Just, you know, the part where they went, you know what? Wrestling isn't seen as hard hitting anymore. How do we change people's minds? Oh, we just like really hit each other a bunch.
00:04:48
Speaker
The Kings Road stuff I need to dive more into, so I'm excited to do that with you. Honestly, I like that we're going to be diving into a little more non-traditional wrestling.
Deathmatch Goes Mainstream
00:05:01
Speaker
Well, as a professional wrestler, I can honestly say that I don't watch a lot of the modern product from the two bigger companies.
00:05:12
Speaker
Um, I'll watch NWA occasionally, especially if it's somebody I know, or I'll watch the independence. I watch the independence a lot because again, got to kind of know what people do. If I'm going to be in a ring, that's your game tape, especially if they're going to be breaking glass over my head or, you know, putting me through pain glass.
00:05:38
Speaker
Shout out AJ. Oh, man. But what I would say is what I would say is that. Deathmatch is probably more mainstream than it ever has been now.
00:05:57
Speaker
Oh, especially within the last, like when you say now, that could literally mean the last two weeks. Agreed. We had Nick Gage on Dark Side of the Ring. And just, I mean, I don't want to date this podcast already, but I saw that today, Jericho released an episode about deathmatch wrestling. With Madman Pondo and G-raver. The fact that
00:06:23
Speaker
Now, I don't know. I have a hard time dealing with the fact that Chris Jericho now knows G-Raver as well. Listen, I would say that I didn't expect to live in the world that I live in now, where G-Raver and Jericho know each other. Not only know each other, but had a conversation with each other.
00:06:47
Speaker
But here I am, continuing to breathe and continuing to live.
Defining Deathmatch: Extreme Measures
00:06:52
Speaker
And I'm just curious as to, it would be really cool if AEW, which I know they've dabbled in it, but it would be really cool if they gave some of these guys that have been grinding in the deathmatch scene some chances.
00:07:11
Speaker
do you think that that i mean they did the exploding barbed wire death match yeah do you call that a death match um there was no glass in that match
00:07:23
Speaker
but does it okay glasses not necessarily I believe you and I've talked about it anytime the slack uses the plastic bag over someone's face even if there are no other weapons in that match that is a death match because he is trying to kill you he's trying to kill you with a plastic bag
00:07:43
Speaker
So that constitutes a death match. Glass doesn't necessarily constitute death match, but it certainly does help. But OK, does there's some really bloody matches out there that almost feel like a death match? Yeah, I'm trying to. What was that?
Unexpected Wrestling Encounters
00:08:04
Speaker
That I quit match with Eddie and no, it's from like the 70s. Oh, um, um, um, um, um, um.
00:08:13
Speaker
I know we've talked about it on predetermined before. Are we talking about the empty arena match? Are we talking about Lawler and Funk? Because that, I guess that one didn't really get bloody. It was just that there was a piece of wood sticking out of Terry Funk's eye in it.
00:08:28
Speaker
Fuck no, I wasn't talking about that that that counts though If we're just if things and eyes count in that time David Bowie performed and somebody perfectly threw a lollipop in his eye Like like imagine being that fan in the crowd
00:08:48
Speaker
like I don't think the intention was to stick a lollipop into David Bowie's eye and like probably just like I'm so excited to see David Bowie I'm going to throw him something that I have and for it to go that badly like think about how terrible that person felt afterwards
00:09:09
Speaker
That's hilarious. An absolute legend. You threw Lolly in his eye. Yep. And I bet and I would and I would almost guarantee that that person did it and immediately left that concert and was like, I don't want to go to jail, number one, for assaulting David Bowie, but also left and probably never listened to David Bowie's music again because it was like, well, I've done the worst thing that I could have done to somebody I was so excited to see.
00:09:38
Speaker
unless he just was not excited. And it happened exactly the way he intended. The plan went on without a hitch. Like fucking bullseye from the Punisher comics.
00:09:54
Speaker
There's those predetermined tangents. Yeah. Hey, you know what? We got, I mean, listen, they're going to be blanks tangents too, because I suffer from ADHD and talking about one topic never works for me. Okay.
00:10:12
Speaker
Should we discuss the name?
Naming the Podcast: NPR Style
00:10:14
Speaker
Like we're trying to get the predetermined listeners to help us come up with a name for this. So could you guys help us please? Because we are really struggling over here. See, he's taking shots to the head. I honestly just have really massive anxiety about naming something.
00:10:32
Speaker
like i'll never have a child because of this it's gonna go nameless for months right yeah which is just just uh uh we'll just blank a podcast and it'll just be that way until you guys help us see
00:10:52
Speaker
where my mind went the other day when i was trying to come up with a name is i think since we're discussing such violent wrestling i wanted to go somewhere like an npr podcast arts culture ultra violence i like that uh the one i pitched to you was what was it this death american life
00:11:14
Speaker
Somebody already said you got to get Ira Glass on here. Crimson Air. Crimson Air. Get some Terry Gross. Get some Terry Gross. But yeah, we just we're struggling with a name. I think that we're circling it. But I would like to see input from people who the people who are going to listen, the people who are going to listen to us just
00:11:42
Speaker
talk about violence. Nice boys who like violence. Very much so. Nice boys who like violence, and I can say at least from my end, likes violence to fall upon him.
Storytelling in Deathmatches
00:12:00
Speaker
See, I actually busted myself open today. You see this little heart band. I like that. I like that pink heart band. I know. I felt like a tough boy putting it on because I bled. I bled for this podcast already. As I look at your scar that AJ Gray gave you, the one that I was just going to superglue. I was just going to superglue it. And I was laughed at. I was laughed at by Nolan and he said,
00:12:28
Speaker
you're gonna have to go to the hospital and then he drove me to the hospital and I got stitches god the stories that you two must share about just getting stitched up and injuries and so what I would say is is that a majority of the Nolan and I stories it uh at times could be called a boy and his caretaker because
00:12:54
Speaker
because as both of us get injured the other one just slips into the to the let me help you clean off role every single time it's it's oh you got a lot of glass on your back hold on just a second
00:13:08
Speaker
let me get some of that for you and have you gotten to because I know like I used to go to war concerts and afterwards going into a gas station you look like you've just been assaulted in the parking lot I've got a really good story about that so during the collective in October when I when we had the death match with the rejects
00:13:30
Speaker
Uh, my first death match. Um, we got done at the show and medical looked me over. She helped pull, uh, some bigger pieces of glass out of my head that needed to be pulled out. Nothing too crazy. Um, I'm still in my, like, I left that venue.
00:13:55
Speaker
in my deathmatch clothing. My white white shirt, my white dead inside shirt covered in blood and my my jeans. And I just like it was the first one and my adrenaline was going a thousand miles an hour. And we waited around for the end of that show before we left.
00:14:21
Speaker
And I'd been getting pictures, stuff like that. You know, so I kind of lost all track of time and Nolan was like, Hey.
00:14:32
Speaker
the rings tore down everybody's leaving like they're sweeping up like we're kind of in the way at this point and i was like cool let's go i leave i happen his truck to go back to where we were staying which was a hotel let me rephrase that we were staying at probably a four star hotel
Post-Match Anecdotes
00:14:54
Speaker
That seems like a good amount of stars for deathmatch wrestlers. Yeah, but like I also don't know that they were fully aware that deathmatch wrestlers were staying in their hotel because I walked in to the front door and now mind you there's a pandemic going on.
00:15:12
Speaker
So I walk in and realistically what I would say is nothing really happened from nose down to me because I got a beard that stops a lot of it. Nobody cut my nose. It was mostly just top of my head and face like to to like right below my eyes. And I walk in and like I've cleaned up a little bit, but like there's still just an amount of dried blood on me.
00:15:44
Speaker
And I walk in through the side door to go upstairs. And this is probably about three o'clock in the morning.
00:15:53
Speaker
And when I walk in through the side door, you have to pass by the front desk to get to the elevators. And I pass by the front desk and there was I can only assume was a very nice individual. But the noise that they made when they saw me walking through the lobby was I'll see if I can do it justice. It was.
00:16:22
Speaker
and I did the thing where you know like when you want to acknowledge somebody but like you don't you don't want to talk to them so I did the thing where I look at him and I smile I'm wearing a mask so all it looks like is I just shoot my eyes at him and I and I just give him the the tiny little head nod and then I just
00:16:47
Speaker
bolt away to the elevators where they're probably they probably the most confused human being in the entire world from seeing that like, like I, I didn't acknowledge them until they acknowledged me and then when I acknowledge them, they have this more even startled look to them and then I
00:17:08
Speaker
Ran to the elevator if only when you gave that little head nod a little burst of a little burst of blood hit that plexiglass All of the truck, what do you think she thought happened or they thought happened? I it was all top of the head trauma. My hope is is that Well, here's what I'll say is I don't know that the dead inside shirt helped Because
00:17:37
Speaker
I wore a white shirt for a reason. Like, it kinda felt like, okay, this is my first death match. I wanna wear a white shirt so all color I get is on this shirt. I still have it, haven't ever washed it. It is in a shadow box at the house. Is it really? Yeah, that's awesome. Along with all the tacks that Kelly pulled out of my bag.
00:18:06
Speaker
But it was just, you know, I wonder if they didn't assume that maybe I because I probably looked like I had been in a car accident from the way that there was blood and there was also not blood on my face, like where you could tell there were white marks for me wiping blood off me, but that was realistically just around my eyes so I could see.
00:18:27
Speaker
Like it wasn't like I'm gonna get cleaned up. It was I need to get up to the room so I can shower and get the rest of this glass off me. What's amazing is you're on the cusp of having this same story every weekend.
The Love for Deathmatches
00:18:45
Speaker
I am trying to have that story every weekend.
00:18:50
Speaker
Like you know Schlack has that story, but he's probably gotten the cops called on him walking into a- I guarantee he has. Because look at him. Look at him. He doesn't look human.
00:19:00
Speaker
But once again, another nice boy who likes violence. Very nice boy who loves violence. All us boys who love violence tend to be nice boys. That's how we get our aggressions out. Not just in fighting you, but watching. Everybody has their own traumas that brought them here, but you know. Birds of a feather. Yeah, but I am on the cusp of being that
00:19:31
Speaker
hopefully being that boy, because after that one, and after the one that followed it, just kind of wanted to do it.
00:19:42
Speaker
forever. God. Yeah. And I want to see you do it forever or as long as your body can handle the trauma. It's really fun. It's really fun to bleed. It's really fun to bleed and it's really fun to make other people bleed. That's also a big part of it.
00:20:05
Speaker
see i i forgot that you get to do that to other people too right because in my mind i'm always just like oh fuck my friend yeah i mean i just have to be like you have to be better at making the other person bleed yeah yeah yeah i just have to be better at making them bleed um so that when i bleed you don't notice it as much because you're like oh man that could be like like like the old adage like you should see the other guy
00:20:35
Speaker
God, I didn't always love death matches. And I mean, on this podcast, you can hear that. I'm sure the way that I originally talked about death matches, probably offensive to death matches. But it also was given to me as kind of a surprise. I had no idea what modern death matches truly were. But going back to the beginning and watching the funk,
Bizarre Piranha Match
00:21:02
Speaker
cactus jack matches and scene you can tell a story with this you you want to not land in the barbed wire that's the story that the story is this the story is i'm trying to avoid going into these exploding ropes for as long as humanly possible when i fucking love that story let's let's rock let's rock this this headlock
00:21:25
Speaker
for another two minutes to make sure that I don't go into that. Because even if I've got you ready to send in.
00:21:34
Speaker
All it takes is one misdirection. I'm going in. I think I, well, I told you about a match that I just watched or I sent you the highlights of, which honestly, we could pull them up right now and just rewatch a little bit of it. I had, I Googled best death match ever. And Google was like, Oh, I definitively have an answer for you.
00:21:59
Speaker
Piranha deathmatch. It happened in big Japan. And there is straight up just a human size fish tank in the middle of a ring. Which this is the one note I walked away with from that is I don't know who built that fish tank, but good on them. Those guys probably weigh 270. Oh, easy.
00:22:25
Speaker
And they are leaning on that fish tank. They are straddling that fish tank. They are taking bumps into that fish tank and those sides stay up. There wasn't even a leak.
00:22:41
Speaker
That's how well that fish tank was built. Not only was it built well, it was built safely for the fish. There were a lot of tubes in that thing, like pumping the bubbles in. And you could tell like a lot of thought was put into this. We did not want to necessarily hurt the fish. We need them for the spot. Right. But I will say this, that that water became very disgusting once the blood started getting in it. Jaws, much more realistic than I thought.
00:23:09
Speaker
Yeah, it did seem to frazzle the fish, didn't it? We like this taste, but there's nothing attached to it. So it isn't just the piranha. There's also four boards in each corner covered in barbed wire. And I thought it was very unique for the finish. Well, I guess it was unique because I'd never seen anything like this in my life.
00:23:36
Speaker
he stuffs one guy stuffs the other guy in there takes a piece of the barbed wire board and covers it so he is now just stuck in this tank getting eaten and he lays on top of it the other guy lays on top of it barbed wire side down into the tank so this guy now can't get out of the tank without having to deal with barbed wire brilliant brilliant you you wouldn't think
00:24:00
Speaker
The Saw movies could be a real thing until you see somebody do that, and then you go, you have to deal with this now. Like, you're being actively bitten by piranhas. You can't fake that. Nope. You cannot, and he did not. His chest...
00:24:17
Speaker
tore up I
Piranha Match Aftermath
00:24:20
Speaker
mean if the piranha are gonna bite me somewhere and I'm laying face down in the tank I would have been happy it was my chest I guess like could have been the I mean he's in fucking speedos yeah yep I mean that
00:24:35
Speaker
My thing was is when I first when we when I first watched the highlights I was like, oh is that just blood from his head? And then I start looking and I was like, no, there are like chunks of his skin missing from where he was bit.
00:24:49
Speaker
like I rewind it rewind it about three times when he rolls outside to the to the blanket to be carried off I will rewatch that part like three times to be like yep nope there's chunks out of him for sure and what you just mentioned they did carry him away on a blanket as if he had had to jump out of a burning building and was caught in a like a hammock
00:25:21
Speaker
I don't know if I'll mess with piranhas. Your early end of the death match career, for a big match? Maybe for a big match. Maybe for a big match. Bring on the piranhas. Bring on the piranhas, but make sure that they're safe. Make sure you've got the tubes and the water. I don't want problems with any type of animal rights activists. Understand that I am here as a friend to animals.
00:25:40
Speaker
I would want to be carried out in that too.
00:25:47
Speaker
Maybe that's why I won't ever do piranhas. You know how bad I would feel if I accidentally stepped on a piranha and killed it? I'd feel awful. But they don't feel bad playing like the lumberjack in the match. Not at all. Not at all. They don't care at all. And I read up on it a little bit. For that match, you had to stuff the other guy in the tank for 10 seconds.
00:26:09
Speaker
Oh, that had to be for 10 seconds. That's why he blocked him on top, you know, put the board down. That's why they didn't ring the bell until after the board was on top. That makes sense because I was like, oh, he's in the tank.
00:26:22
Speaker
Well, does he have to be fully submerged? Like that was my first thought was like his head was still out. So you have to get in there and like push his head under like a like a like a like 1950s bully style. A piranha swirly. Yeah. But then no, it was very much. Oh, you had to be in there for 10 seconds for it to count because they were like they were shoving each other's heads in it.
00:26:49
Speaker
the moments that I was seeing like like the one guy was busted open and he's shoving his very busted open head into the piranha tank and you can see that the piranhas are now moving in the the blood area.
00:27:05
Speaker
it was that was that was I don't know that I've ever seen a piranha match before and as far as I can tell it hasn't happened again I saw there was another match they called a piranha match in the States but they had to use a different kind of fish that kind of look like piranhas
00:27:21
Speaker
Was it for like Wrestling Society X or something? That feels like a Wrestling Society X thing, but like the moment that they fell into the tank, it would explode. They put on some CGI explosions. But they give it like a red mist, so it looked like. Back to our title, Crimson Air. Crimson Air. This is Crimson Air.
00:27:45
Speaker
So what else outside of the piranha match have you been watching? Since we'll get to the death match stuff on the next. Well, I just started this book. The Way of the Blade, Way of the Blade. Way of the Blade, 100 of the greatest bloody matches in wrestling history.
Controversial Gimmicks
00:28:04
Speaker
And it goes chronologically. First match that I read about in here, I feel like I have to mention, Dr. Adolf Kaiser,
00:28:13
Speaker
That's a name. That is a name. He was a German scientist in the 50s gimmick in France. Hello. From what I read in this, it seemed like the two countries had a little bit of a problem with this character and thought it was going to ruin relations between the two. I wonder why. Yeah. Turns out Nazi doctor, great heel gimmick.
00:28:43
Speaker
specifically for the 1950s so oh yeah like like there are children that are in their 20s
00:28:53
Speaker
I can't remember World War II. Man, what a time to release that gimmick. Yeah, and they said that like a lot of the time they would put him up against like a big beefy baby face and let him beat the shit out of him. And you know, he would come out like just top heel. But I guess he, in this match it talked about he hit somebody's face off the turnbuckle and they got busted open real nice. Oh, okay. But he'll shit.
00:29:20
Speaker
Real heel. Real heel. Yeah. But I mean, hey, hey, don't be a Nazi sympathizer. Yeah. Don't like I hope that his like record was zero in. You know, how many ever heat matches he had, like he never won a match because I just don't feel like the Nazi doctor should. He is honest to God, the definition of too soon.
00:29:53
Speaker
I'm edgy. It's edgy. That is it. That is a gimmick that is never going to work. Hey, all you shitty indie promotions. Stop trying to push a Nazi gimmick. That shit is never going to work. It just turns off your fans.
Underground Promotions
00:30:12
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not showing up for that. I'm I'm very excited to keep reading this book. It's really good.
00:30:17
Speaker
This is, it's been a fun time so far, so I'm sure we'll get some more matches out of this thing. I'm into that. I love, I love me a good bloody match. I'm trying to think, what else have I been watching? I feel like I've just been going back and watching some old GCW stuff. Like, that's kind of what got me into death matches. And I've, over the summer, ICW really pulled me into it even more.
00:30:41
Speaker
Yeah, I see that you really they did a really good job of dragon dragon. I feel like people who aren't deathmatch fans into being deathmatch fans just because the wrestling was so consistent like and felt like it was every week. It wasn't every week, but it felt like it was every week.
00:31:00
Speaker
It was about once every two maybe once every two weeks that we're having a show this summer. That's what it felt like like. And it was there one of those promotions that it even it feels so much like a fight club. Yep. When they're fighting in the back of a pawn shop in Florida, there is something so authentic about that. You couldn't pick a better place. You absolutely right. It they just I mean, that whole crew is doing something right. They're not I mean,
00:31:31
Speaker
they are the epitome of what what I like about music is that it feels underground and it feels punk rock it feels like oh this is the shit you're not supposed to be watching this is the shit that like you're not
00:31:52
Speaker
It's not for everyone, and that's okay. We're very okay with it not being for everyone. We don't want it. In fact, the more people who like it, the more we're like, are we doing the right thing? Because it kind of feels like we're doing the wrong thing.
00:32:06
Speaker
And ICW, they'll do one match after another of death matches, where GCW kind of uses it as a cherry on top these days. Right, absolutely. It's like, you know, just a little extra sauce on the show, where, goddamn, it just feels like you are in immediate danger.
00:32:25
Speaker
Yep. When you go to one of you almost feel like you're in danger for watching it from your couch. Like, am I about to watch a murder? Did I pay to watch a murder on my television? Yeah. Is that illegal in itself? Does that make me an accomplice? Now, this is the wrestling that I wish we had been able to trade on tapes. Yes. All of the ICW was made to be watched on VHS.
00:32:52
Speaker
Hey, hey, hey, any any VHS company, why don't you get on that? Just start making tapes and I can guarantee you I will buy them guaranteed.
Nostalgia for VHS and Tape Trading
00:33:04
Speaker
I will buy those tapes. Wrestling fans will buy anything and they want something physical that they can hold. Get those fucking tapes. Yep. And we'll just restart tape trading. And it'll be a great time. It'll be a really good time. And
00:33:20
Speaker
I assume the only place I can see that piranha match is on a tape somewhere. Because I can only watch five minutes of it on the internet. Do you think any of the old message boards are still up and going? Are people still trading? It has to be. VHS tapes, man, maybe that's what I'm going to do this week between episodes, is look to see if I can find a tape trading board that's still active.
00:33:48
Speaker
We have to reach out to Chris from the Curtain Jerks. I know he still does some tape trading stuff. I don't know if it's actual tapes or if it's just DVD compilations, but he's still getting physical media. We were talking about the high spots thing back in the day when you could call up high spots, or not call up high spots, but you could order a U-specific tape, like, I want this match, this match, and this match.
00:34:17
Speaker
and like you could do your own mixtape tapes. And I wish that was still a thing. Because I would absolutely do that thing. Man. Because I just get like, I wouldn't even want like, now that's what I call death matches, volume seven. Right, right, right, right.
00:34:39
Speaker
Like just man, I really, I really like the ideology of the physical, the physical copy of VHS.
80s Horror and Wrestling
00:34:50
Speaker
I mean, because you know, I'm friends with Jesse and Jesse kind of made me fall back in love with collecting VHS. And so now I've got a fucking bookshelf full of VHS tapes. Most of it, like,
00:35:05
Speaker
Be horror movies like be horror movies and then a copy of heavyweights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Copy of heavyweights. There is a copy of heavyweights. There's a copy of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Those are just the two that I could think of off the top of my head, but it's like.
00:35:20
Speaker
Willy Wonka would have been a good deathmatch wrestler. That guy was fucking sadistic. Yep. Especially that like room where like like everything was edible. Like he let it. I mean, he kind of was a deathmatch wrestler. He let the Augustus kid drown in the chocolate. He said that Veruca girl to the incinerator.
00:35:45
Speaker
Charlie and his grandpa almost went through some fans. There would have been some good color there. Great color there. The one that turns into a blueberry.
00:35:55
Speaker
They're juicer. They have a juicer. Mike TV just shrunk himself. What a low spot. Don't put that on your compilation. Don't put it in your highlight reel. He just shrunk himself. It's not that big of a deal. Not every match is going to be five stars. That's fair. You know what? You're right. But he almost drowns a child out the gate.
00:36:24
Speaker
Fantastic. I mean, Willy Wonka would have been Gene Wilder. Gene Wilder versus Schlack.
00:36:32
Speaker
There's no way of knowing. Sorry, what were you saying before Willy Wonka? Sorry about that. I was gonna say just a lot of trauma movies. That's where I was going with that was like, just a lot of trauma movies. Like I watch a lot of Lloyd Kaufman. Love Lloyd Kaufman. I watched Psycho Gorman last night.
00:36:56
Speaker
Fuck yeah. It was very good. How good is that movie? I love that movie a lot. That little girl is so perfect. If you haven't seen Psycho Gorman, it is a movie about a little girl and her brother that come across a killer monster from outer space. Yep. That has been like buried on this planet for millennia's and is supposed to be ultimate evil.
00:37:22
Speaker
And it's I mean the movie was fantastic from beginning to end. It felt like an 80s horror movie. It felt like but like with just enough comedy sprinkled in that I really enjoyed it. Like that's the kind of comedy horror movie I like.
00:37:41
Speaker
Is that kind like where it's like purposefully winking and nodding at itself But uh, but yeah, I watched psycho gorman last night was really Excited about that and then I watched new girl Because that's who I am. Yeah See we don't just watch people bleed We're nice boys that like violence. Yeah is what I'm saying. We also we yes Yes, it's like a it's like it it's like in a an
00:38:11
Speaker
whatever those things are called, Appendex, like where it's like, I'm a nice boy. And then like a little tiny star. And at the bottom, at the bottom of the page, it says, I also very much enjoy ultra-violence. Like today, I was very excited that one of my favorite pop singers released a new song, Seagrid. She's from Norway. It was fantastic. I saw that you were very excited about that. I was so excited. It was such a banger.
00:38:40
Speaker
but at the same time when that guy got thrown in the piranha tank also excited about also very excited speaking of violence let's to get off too because we just talked about music uh bought my tickets for the terror show oh shit so
Hardcore Music and Wrestling
00:38:58
Speaker
I should probably hop on that. Yep. Yeah. I miss aggressive music. Yep. Quite a bit. That's that's kind of where I'm where I'm sitting to is is like I just like it it did. My first concert didn't have to be an aggressive music concert because it for sure isn't going to be because my first concert almost guaranteed is probably going to be a Josh Headley concert. Shout out, Josh.
00:39:22
Speaker
Um, but what I will say is, is that the moment that I saw the terror, it was what terror, love is red, misery, come back kid, like that's a, that's a fucking show.
00:39:37
Speaker
And you've only named half the lineup because it's a classic hardcore show. So there's like 15 fucking bands. Well, I start at four o'clock on a Tuesday. I found out. I found out the reason why is because it is the it is the pre show is the pre show for Furnace Fest. So Furnace Fest goes on that Friday, Saturday and Sunday in Alabama.
00:40:00
Speaker
and that's got like From On The Ashes on it and which I don't know why, like I just went with all these very tough bands and then I went with From On The Ashes. What a strange thing I just did there. Well is it, that's one that like every time I die is on it. Yeah, every time I die I hate breeds on it. I'll never forget how much my wife laughed the first time I took her to a hate breed show.
00:40:25
Speaker
She couldn't like it was the funniest shit in the world. Like just how aggressive he like the band was and then how the audience was taking it. Yeah, because what I would say is is that as a as a 30 year old in my 30s year old adult, I haven't been to a an aggressive show like that in a I wouldn't say a very long time because I've been to aggressive shows, but like
00:40:55
Speaker
I'm very much. The old head in those situations, so like all go up to the balcony and like the band can get me for like one song in the pit. But what I will say is that with the group that that I that is confirmed going, I don't know how we're not in the pit the whole time. But if you go.
00:41:21
Speaker
That's me, you, Jesse, and AJ Gray.
00:41:28
Speaker
We're gonna be in the fucking pit that whole show. And I'm gonna be sore for like a month afterwards. Because fucking A.J. Grey's gonna be in it throwing Lirias. I'm gonna try to get A.J. to stage death. I'm gonna start in on him next time I see him being like, I bet you won't do it. You won't jump off the stage during terror. Can you imagine that crowd watching A.J. Grey, six foot three?
00:41:55
Speaker
260 pounds. I don't know how much AJ weighs, but that feels right. He's definitely a guy that if I was in the front row and saw him get on stage, I would get really bummed out real quick. You'd immediately start just shaking your head no? No, no, no. Don't jump on my wife. Just jump on me at least. Yeah.
00:42:13
Speaker
that's but that's i'm i'm now currently trying to convince him to to stage dev at that show because i think it'll be the greatest thing ever he's gotta he's he's got it there's no there's no turning back now and that's just the people i've confirmed that are going there are still other people that are still on the fence about going that i would love to go see i'm typically not afraid to get into the pit but
00:42:44
Speaker
Haha.
00:42:45
Speaker
Y'all are some big motherfuckers.
Hardcore Shows and Atmospheres
00:42:47
Speaker
Yeah, but the thing is, is that the big motherfuckers are on your side. That's true. I guess. The big motherfuckers will swing for you. Motherfucker, we swing first and ask questions later. I'll swing and then I'll go, what'd you do? And then you'll go, this one was definitely on me. And I'll be like, oh, it's fine. They're already knocked out. It's not like I can un-knock them.
00:43:14
Speaker
let me take that back okay yeah i'm going to see terror there's a lot of similarities between hardcore shows and death matches i think that they bring a similar energy like caution into the wind like hit your high spot
00:43:40
Speaker
caution into the wind it's very much what I would say that both those things bring to the table is like I do I want to break my arm at a hardcore show no but
00:43:58
Speaker
Law of averages says that eventually it's probably gonna happen if I continue to go to them. Do I wanna get glass in my eye? No, but law of averages says that eventually it's going to happen. Have you been to a hardcore show yet with just our age group? No, I have not, no. So the last hardcore show
00:44:26
Speaker
I went to was probably riot fest in like 2011. Listen, I stopped going to like, I stopped going to like, I went to like a lot of punk rock shows, but they're, it's different.
Punk vs. Hardcore Dynamics
00:44:42
Speaker
I feel like, like punk rock shows, if you fall down.
00:44:46
Speaker
Somebody is going to pick you back up at a hardcore show. If you fall down, start rolling immediately. Get out of the way because because nobody saw you fall because everybody is actively getting punched in the face. Did you ever listen to the band fucked up?
00:45:05
Speaker
i didn't see i'm a big fan of that actually the last time i saw terror they were playing with fucked up but um i saw them a couple years ago here in nashville and everybody in the crowd was 30 plus everybody it was a wednesday night everybody had worked the next day it was perfect we all stood back everybody just crossed their arms and listened to him scream and no one had to get hurt
00:45:30
Speaker
And I don't see that happening at this outdoor terror show I don't think that that's gonna happen at the terror show because I feel like I feel like specifically Because this like because you know, we both live in Nashville We kind of watch concerts anyway to see what's coming through town. This is the most aggressive concert that's happening this year Like so far that's been announced in my opinion. This is the most aggressive and
00:45:58
Speaker
And we've just went through a year of a pandemic where no one was able to do anything.
00:46:06
Speaker
And everybody is just a little like everybody's walking around with a chip on their shoulder right now. I've noticed it doesn't feel like anybody's like real fucking jazzed up about everything they're doing. We need this. We need this. I need pure unadulterated violence for for the duration of at least one show for me to feel like a normal human being.
00:46:33
Speaker
That's what I feel like a lot of the people that are coming to the show are probably walking into. We're all looking for a hard reset. We need to restart our modem. And in order to do that, we have to windmill kick somebody in the face. See, I was never the fucking kick guy. I was never a kick guy. I was absolutely throw a couple of elbows kind of guy though. I feel like the elbows that I've thrown were more for my own protection. Do you ever do a wall of death?
00:47:02
Speaker
I have done, I did one at some fucking tiny venue in Warsaw with like a hundred people. It wasn't many. I've never done like a proper wall of death.
00:47:17
Speaker
I did one at an Oz Fest with Lamb of God. I'm alive still. But I shouldn't be. Because I will tell you that that doughy high school kid should not have been in the middle of that. Well, like we one of the things that I always talk about is in the car rides, it seems like, is we always end up sharing because, again,
00:47:45
Speaker
We, most of us were punk rock hardcore kids. And we always end up sharing stories about like run-ins with like crews. Like I never had any run-ins with FSU. Never had any run-ins with FSU. Who's, what's FSU? Fuck shit up.
00:48:03
Speaker
uh... they were like uh... east coast hardcore crew like hardcore kid crew uh... but like that they've there there was one in my well it was i guess it wasn't technically just in my area but there was one in uh... because i'm originally from indiana uh... we ran into the courage crew a lot which were a bunch of straight edge skinny kids like i i don't know nothing to be afraid of yet
00:48:31
Speaker
Right. Well, yes and no. Oh, no. The thing the thing with the courage crew kids was is that you were you never saw just one. It was normally there was four to six of them.
00:48:49
Speaker
And they would normally gang up on one person. They tried to gang up on me at the Emerson Theater because I was smoking a cigarette and they're straight edge. And I believe it was a throwdown show, which is already a straight edge band. Yeah. But they didn't they don't fucking care. They're not like militant straight edge. They're just straight edge.
00:49:15
Speaker
um so they sing about straight edges like it wasn't like they were like this can't be a smoking venue and at the time i smoked cigarettes and i was standing by myself over in the corner and the courage crew was like put that cigarette out and i was like no you're allowed to smoke in here and they were like no you don't understand put that cigarette out and i was like no you don't understand i'm allowed to smoke in here
00:49:41
Speaker
And they essentially said, do we have a problem? And I was like, I fucking kind of guess we do. It's going to seem like it seems like we do have a little bit of a problem. And I was I was a bigger kid. I think I've shown you pictures. I was a much bigger kid at one time. Like I weighed like 300 pounds and it was not in like a like
00:50:09
Speaker
cool jacked way it was very much in like a way too many cheeseburgers kind of way and but I had started losing weight so I'd still gain I'd still had that mass but I was starting to lose a little bit of weight in my midsection so like me wearing a hoodie you couldn't tell if I was just like ripped shreds or if I was just fat you couldn't tell so
00:50:37
Speaker
That's a fat guy trick that I still use to this day. Wear a hoodie, a casual jacket. You could be buff under there. You never know. I just don't know. My jean jacket is a fucking... It is my bulletproof vest.
00:50:53
Speaker
But, like, I was aware that that's how that kid saw me. Like, there was enough of them that they would have been able to whoop my ass. There was enough of them. And because I don't know how many they were going to or I don't know how many it would have taken, but they were going to use every one. And there was probably six, six of them. And
00:51:15
Speaker
Is the courage crew still around? I don't know. I have no idea. That's how long it's been since I've been in a hardcore show in Indianapolis. I know that I know that like the straight edgers still exist and like I don't understand it, but cool. I guess if like you don't like doing cool shit, I guess I guess like straight edge is cool. Whatever. I'm a straight edge for a bit.
00:51:39
Speaker
those fucking x's have been washed off though oh yeah i definitely had a belt with the x's yeah a lot of the shirts with the x's and then i discovered fun yep exactly
Wrestling and Music Intersection
00:51:55
Speaker
like uh hey you know what there are there are a few straight edgers that i know in wrestling there are a few straight edges that i'm friends with
00:52:04
Speaker
outside of wrestling that like they're very good people. It just turns out that most people who are straight edge like I'm going to go. We're really not going to have a lot to talk about because a lot of my stories start with I was very drunk.
00:52:20
Speaker
story I I've never run into crews at concerts like the the worst things that I've run into and I mean it is like the worst thing Nazis no so that was like like so you grew up in like the Chicago I was closer to st. Louis okay you were closer to st. Louis I
00:52:45
Speaker
But I remember going, I was with my buddy Metal Dave. We were going to see Hate Breed and Cannibal Corpse. That's a show. It was a fun show. It was a fun show to see a corpse grinder pick up a child out of the crowd and then say, this next song is called Fucked with a Knife. With child in hand? With child in hand. Hell yeah.
00:53:13
Speaker
But yeah, mostly Nazis. Wow. And, uh, it was still, it was scary. We never really had it. We didn't have a lot of Nazis in our, in our scene. Um, but I mean, that's, that's not the, well, let me, let me, let me rephrase that. There were no active Nazis in our scene that came, you know, red red suspenders, you know, like not that they all wear a,
00:53:39
Speaker
certain outfit but like just nobody repped it when we were around but I wonder if that was also probably because
00:53:50
Speaker
even though I was like 300 pounds and and and would have would have been okay in a fight. But like I was never going to be the strongest fighter. I was I was just the guy that like I'm going to catch like a couple of luckies and and then I got to take it to the ground because I'm already gassed.
00:54:15
Speaker
let's go to the ground i'm gonna lay on you like a whole bunch and i'm gonna like try to swing at you but i was never afraid to hop in it was always just like who i got like three or four good swings in me i know i look like a powerhouse but i'm a matt wrestler yeah i'm a real tech boy
00:54:36
Speaker
Um, but it was mostly like, I got to get you on the ground because that's the only way I'm going to be able to control this fight is because if I, if I couldn't, if I couldn't put you down in the first three to four, you probably getting me because I just had no wind left. I was a smoker and I weighed almost 300 pounds. Like I was, I was gassed after the first swing. I just,
00:55:04
Speaker
But yeah, like the scene I came from was a pretty tight knit scene anyway, like because Indianapolis didn't really have a big scene. It was the same.
00:55:18
Speaker
100 people at every show that I was at. Like I'll be at going to see Sloppy Seconds or going to see every time I die. Like if there were 100 people that were in alternative music and 99 other than myself. What about did you have a wrestling community in Indianapolis? Not not so much so.
00:55:46
Speaker
I had friends that like we would watch.
00:55:50
Speaker
We would watch a lot of WWE, like I could talk to them about WWE. One of my friends, Brandon, we would talk about WWE because that's what he watched. Like I would go over to his house for paper views and stuff, watch WrestleMania 20 at his house. But that was like, that was, he got into other stuff but
00:56:16
Speaker
in what I would consider the nerdy way that I got into other stuff like like I got into realistically it was it was mostly WWE and then I think that we've talked about on this podcast before uh TNA TNA was like my first soiree into independence
00:56:38
Speaker
Like because I was like, oh, I know these I know some of these guys. Let's see what they're doing now. And then like finding out about people like, you know, Amazing Red or, you know, I don't know why this name keeps popping up in my head, but Robbie E. Like I just I I really enjoy the Robbie gimmick, but that's also maybe because I've been watching a lot of Jersey Shore.
00:57:00
Speaker
um uh but like getting into tna is like a gateway drug to independence which led to ring of honor of course which led to japanese wrestling which led to just okay oh so they've been doing this since the 70s too
00:57:19
Speaker
Oh, and they take wrestling a lot more seriously than is taken in the United States. Well, I'm going to watch everything I can get my hands on. You know, Muda was a big like because I was I think we've also talked about this. I was not always traditionally a WWE kid. I watched a lot of.
00:57:41
Speaker
I watched, on Mondays I watched WWE, but the rest of the week I watched WCW growing up. Like I watched, on Saturdays I watched Saturday Night. I watched, yeah, Maid Event or Saturday Night, depending on which it was at the time. I watched, on Thursdays I watched Thunder. My first wrestling show ever. Because SmackDown was two hours, but Thunder was three.
00:58:10
Speaker
Was it really? Yeah. That's insane. Thunder was I believe thunder was three. I'm pretty sure the thunder was three hours. I mean, what else was going on on Thursdays? You have Braves games. I must see TV on NBC. A lot of episodes of of friends, friends and Frasier and.
00:58:31
Speaker
Hey, fucking love Frazier. I know. I know. Hey, listen, listen, there is nothing wrong. Like I just got the Peacock network because obviously you. Well, yeah. Where else are you going to watch those old WCW? Right. But Frazier is on there and I've actually been thinking about watching Frazier because I never watched Frazier. I watched Cheers when I was growing up, but I never watched Frazier. So I'm thinking about watching Frazier.
00:58:58
Speaker
Oh, man. Let's see. That's what we'll talk death matches and Frazier Frazier. All right. But yeah, I'm I remember watching a lot more night or thunder than Smackdown.
Saturday Wrestling Nostalgia
00:59:12
Speaker
Not that I didn't watch any Smackdown, but I just remember watching thunder more.
00:59:16
Speaker
because it was like also like it would have been when SmackDown was on like UPN. I didn't have that. And I didn't really have UPN. Like we had UPN but like I couldn't watch Moisha. I couldn't watch SmackDown. And you were upset about both. Yes. Hey, Brandi's great.
00:59:39
Speaker
Um, but yeah, uh, yeah, just thunder was more accessible. And, uh, I do remember watching like what the WWE, uh, I think it was called live wire. It was on Saturday mornings at like 11 a.m. where it was just a recap show. Um, one of my most distinct wrestling memories with live wire is them doing a recap of the bra for all tournament up to that point.
01:00:08
Speaker
I don't know why I remember it, but I remember Todd Pettengale talking about Brawfur at all. And what a terrible, terrible thing the Brawfur all is. See, I think that things like Brawfur all are matches we're going to have to cover at some point, just as what I would like to call a palate cleanser. OK, I'm very much into that.
01:00:33
Speaker
You know, I like a good comedy match, just not necessarily that was comedy, but it was like over time. What is it? Tragedy plus time equals comedy.
01:00:51
Speaker
Um uh yeah but then like you and I've talked about before some of the other stuff that I would like to talk about is like like WCW Saturday night like the old like uh I've mentioned him uh when we were just randomly talking last week uh hole-in-one Barry Dorso like like he had a miniature golf gimmick that was his gimmick in WCW at one point was he would he would hand the putter to
01:01:21
Speaker
to his opponent and if they could sink the putt, it meant they won the match without wrestling the match and Barry Dorso never let them fully, fully swing that, that putter because he would attack them every single time. See, you can either go with the putting gimmick or you can go with Nazi doctor. Yeah. And I'm going to go putting. I'm going to go putting gimmick every time, every single time.
01:01:45
Speaker
but yeah that's that is very much uh like it's weird the cross section of wrestling i i feel like we're both into is is like i enjoy a good like good shitty new generation gimmick like give me w give me isaac yanko
01:02:02
Speaker
give me an Isaac gankin please yeah like I'll watch an Isaac gankin match every single day give me a man tar match I'm fine with that because it's gonna like it's not necessarily it at the time it was designed to be good but over time it has become what I love about
01:02:22
Speaker
certain horror movies what i love about trauma i watched speed 2 cruise control last night for the same reason that i would watch an isaac yanka match right because you know it's not going to be good but it's going to be fun like jason patrick's going to pop a wheelie on a fucking motorcycle right at the top of that movie and i know
01:02:47
Speaker
Here we go. Let's go get Willem Dafoe, let's get the leeches. Sorry, I don't know how much you remember about speed two cruise control. I don't remember a lot about speed two cruise control. Well, they took everything that was good about speed and were like, let's not try it again. Let's do something different. Let's do something different. And you know what? They took a shot, it didn't work, but thank God they tried. Because it gave us speed two cruise control. Because it gave us speed two cruise control.
01:03:17
Speaker
I don't even know that I fully remember the plot of speed. I remember Keanu Reeves and I remember Anthony Hopkins and I remember the bus can't go. Is it Anthony Hopkins? Dennis Hopper. Dennis Hopper. I always get Anthony Hopkins and Dennis Hopper. Quiz hot shot. Yeah. And I remember the bus couldn't go underneath 50 miles an hour. Yes. It wasn't 55. It was 50 if I remember correctly.
01:03:41
Speaker
I well I mean you pretty much have the movie then it's them stuck on a bus that can't yeah it's gonna explode I don't remember like the high spots of that movie I remember them jumping off like the unfinished road oh yeah they ramp a bridge and then and I remember even as a little like cuz I would have been pretty young when that movie came out
01:04:02
Speaker
90 we'll call 94 94 I can say that was certainty So I in 94 I would have been Nine years old and I think even at nine years old I couldn't suspend my disbelief enough to be like to be like that because they had because they hit they were watching the speedometer and
01:04:27
Speaker
that whole like there are fucking beauty shots of them looking at a speedometer in that movie like just to make sure it's doing the right speed and when my thought process was when they jump off the bridge what is the terminal velocity of a three ton six ton bus so you have to assume that like they couldn't control the speed at that point
01:04:53
Speaker
But so how was the bomb rigged? Because now there's no foot on the gas.
01:04:59
Speaker
Well, there's still foot on the gas. Does the pedal like? Yeah, but if it's not gripping road that it can't track any speed. Is that true? I don't know. I've never jumped the bus off an unfinished bridge. What I'm thinking about is Ferris Bueller's day off when they put the car on the jack and have it going. Yeah, but remember, it doesn't work. Well, it doesn't move the speedometer backwards, but I feel like the engine's still revving. Oh, yeah. I mean, they're still putting miles on the engine. Fair enough.
01:05:29
Speaker
I don't I don't really know. We need scientists. Sometimes I just need access to a scientist so I can be like, hey, all I can say is that I had a hard time spending my disbelief when I was at the age of nine being like, this seems strange. This seems like a strange premise for a movie. It is. And then they turned speed into the best movie ever, which is Crank.
01:05:50
Speaker
Yeah, you absolutely right. Basically, a man can't go below 50 miles an hour if he dies. Yes, Crank and Crank 2, two of the greatest movies ever made. Crank 2, also starring Charlie Kaufman, or not Lloyd Kaufman, I'm sorry. Lloyd Kaufman. Not Charlie Kaufman. Too deep. Too deep. Now we're going into adaptation and determine sunshine.
01:06:12
Speaker
Yeah, I will say this that I really enjoyed. I enjoyed the crank movies, the crank movies. But again, again, what does it have in common with everything else that we love? The absurdity and violence.
01:06:28
Speaker
It better have a lot of absurdity for no violence or it better have a lot of violence and then I'll and then I can pull back on the absurdity. I think that I just figured out like the perfect title for this show. I'm saying like if there were a Venn diagram of the things that I like, you know, like where it has like the full absurdity, no absurdity, no violence, full violence, like.
01:06:58
Speaker
Like I can fall anywhere on that chart except for directly in the middle. Because if if it's just some violence and some absurdity, I want nothing to do with it. But if it is full absurdity and no violence, I'm fine with that. Or if it's full violence. Well, you know what, though? What if it's full both?
01:07:19
Speaker
full violence full absurdity full violence full absurdity then you've got shit I'm trying to think like I don't even know that I think that we have to find that thing see that's what this podcast is we're looking for full absurdity full violence
01:07:39
Speaker
yep that that will be the holy grail yep and then once that happens we just listen we retire from the podcast i burn my wrestling boots well don't do that i quit the business don't don't do that don't do that well if i find a match that if i find a perfect match i'll go well i'll never live up to that okay i think we figured out perfect absurdity perfect violence eric ryan versus
01:08:04
Speaker
JJ Escobar or whatever. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Lighten across on fire. Put it out with a weed wacker. Trying to put it out with a weed wacker. Yeah. If you haven't watched that at least find a gif of it. It's man. I don't know if you need to see the whole match but when we say that deathmatch wrestling is art I don't know. Is that good art. I think that I would call that art.
01:08:35
Speaker
trailer trash art and I mean that as a compliment like like you know how like low brow art is like a thing now like like pictures standing in front of a double wide is like
01:08:54
Speaker
It's like nouveau and people really love it and shit. That's what I feel like most of JJ Escobar's matches are. I've seen fucking Eric Ryan have bangers. Oh shit, I mean the first time I saw your boy Akira wrestle was against Eric Ryan. Such a bloody match. And that's when you told me you were going up against him in the rejects.
01:09:22
Speaker
And now we friends. What I would say is that like Eric Ryan puts on bangers and not and I say that only to say that I also think that JJ Escobar puts on bangers.
01:09:35
Speaker
but there is an absurdity level to a JJ Escobar match that you don't really get with a lot of other deathmatch wrestlers. That you just go, JJ Escobar doesn't care about anything, including himself. Doesn't even show his face while he does this shit.
01:09:54
Speaker
Doesn't need credit for it. Doesn't want to walk it around credit. He wants, like the only credit that matters is in his own mind. So, okay. Does GCW let JJ Escobar come back for the new backyard show? They fucking, I mean, if they want to sell tickets or if they want to sell buys, like absolutely. JJ Escobar forever. Like when you disappoint Schlack,
01:10:23
Speaker
You know you've done something. I don't even know that Slack was disappointed so much as Slack was like, I can't even do anything to hurt this man. So for those of you who haven't watched it, I highly suggest checking out Backyard 2, the GCW show. Slack versus JJ Escobar is the main event. I'm sorry, El Shlaco, because he's under a hood. And it literally ends with him lighting a mortar on his dick.
01:10:52
Speaker
It explodes. The crowd looks mortified. Schlack ends up just taking off his mask and walking away. They stop it. They stop the match. I really hope that he wasn't disappointed because to me that's art. Like what they did was art. Like I understand that. Let's go here. Wrestling is subjective.
01:11:18
Speaker
Some people like it, some people don't, but then you get into the niche markets of wrestling.
01:11:24
Speaker
Some people love death match wrestling and some people really don't like it. And I think that you can go even more niche than that is some people like JJ Escobar matches and some people don't love death match wrestling. And I can say that with 100% certainty, I am a fan of JJ Escobar. Okay. What is the promotion that he's a part of? I think what those guys are doing,
01:11:52
Speaker
it's like the most extreme version of backyard wrestling you've ever seen which did you okay speaking of I know we're like an hour 15 into this so we probably should stop soon but uh did you grow up watching the backyard tapes yep me too 100 me too probably still have some here uh i just watched three and four the best of backyard three and four
01:12:18
Speaker
less than a month ago to get ideas you know those tapes were so insane it was just naked ladies for part of the tape yep and then guys just just untrained wrestlers stomping tacks into each other's head it's
01:12:44
Speaker
At that time, the two videos I was watching was Backyard and CKY. I would say that CKY has probably fueled a lot of the professional wrestlers that are out today. I would say that the rise of jackass has fueled a lot of the wrestlers that are out today as somebody who shares locker rooms.
01:13:10
Speaker
like you're hard pressed to find guys that weren't into jackass that weren't into cky that that like like maybe the younger guys but i guess most of the guys around my age um tend to be like oh man i remember like when i got my cky tape like and can tell you like their favorite bit in cky or can tell you their favorite bit from jackass and
01:13:39
Speaker
given what I've been doing here as of late, I'm hanging out with mostly deathmatch guys. So I think that it's, I think that the CKY has played a part in causing a lot of deathmatch wrestlers because you, you go, Oh, I watched them do it.
01:13:58
Speaker
I could probably do something, you know, just as dangerous to my body and probably be okay. Because like you've seen pictures of Johnny Knoxville recently. Holy. She's an old man now. Fucking handsome old man. Very handsome old man. But he's like full gray. Yeah. And and that like the first time I saw it, it like almost like it took me back. I was like, oh, I don't know how I feel about that. And I was like, no, I feel great about that because
01:14:28
Speaker
he had no reason to make it to this age I mean during his last movie his eyeball fell out yep during the first movie my favorite my favorite one of my favorite bits from jackass the movie is when him and butter bean department
01:14:46
Speaker
the department store the department store boxing it's the i love that is butterbean okay line but my favorite part about that whole thing is his butterbean hits him so hard when he falls down johnny noxville starts snoring oh so straight into snoring that guy knocked him all the way asleep
01:15:06
Speaker
It's one of the things that I think about on a monthly basis. I just think, man, he hit him so fucking hard that he went straight to sleep. One punch. One punch. And yes, and then immediately goes, is Butterbean okay? That guy was so funny on his feet.
01:15:29
Speaker
Yeah, he was. He really really was and and and like guaranteed concussion there. Guaranteed concussion like funny in a concussion like see now, this is what we gotta do. Get deathmatch wrestlers to come here. Do an interview with him. Always ask him what's your favorite? CK Y bit. Yep. They'll all have one. Yep. Everybody will have one because that was just that like these kids have Rob Dyrdek.
01:15:58
Speaker
I have Bam Margera. I have Steve. You're like my guy got kicked off the new jackass. Yeah. Yeah. But that's like that's the real I feel like that's the real thing now is that that there are kids that have no idea what like they might know what jackasses but they have no idea what CKY is. They have no idea what the big brother tapes were.
01:16:25
Speaker
Those were so important to me in high school. All of that shit. Because again, it came back to back to everything else. It felt like something I wasn't supposed to be watching. And that's what death matches for me. And that's what going to hardcore and punk rock shows is to me. It feels like something that I'm not supposed to see.
01:16:45
Speaker
It's the thing that we can do right now that we know is gonna make our moms uncomfortable. Right, right. Right, right. Because here's what I'll say is even at 30, even at 36 years old, I still have that little part of me that has that tiny little bit of teenage angst where I'm like, man, it would be cool if it would piss my parents off just a little bit more.
01:17:11
Speaker
Like, it doesn't inform anything that I like. Like, because I like a lot of shit now that I...
01:17:19
Speaker
10 years ago I would have copped to liking like I'm starting to like Fleetwood Mac as I'm getting older and I've never liked Fleetwood Mac and I was like I was like that's old fucking that's my parents music but now I'm kind of very like but that stuff is just also auxiliary to the stuff that I do every single day it the the stuff that I love every single day like going
01:17:46
Speaker
Going through and trying to find new music that seems like seems dangerous Like dangerous shit. That's my favorite thing But anyway
01:18:00
Speaker
But yeah, help us name this show. Yeah. Reach out to us on social media. For fuck sake. I'm at Gartet on Twitter and Instagram. I am at Hard Way Heater. H-A-R-D-W-A-Y-H-E-E-T-E-R. It's real long, but I'm the only Hard Way Heater out there. Just find me.
01:18:23
Speaker
Just find him let him know what the show should be called because I think you got a taste today of what is gonna be happening Yeah, it's probably a lot more deathmatch talk, but also a lot more tangent more tangents You get an idea of what we like now. Yeah and also Just be on the lookout for us at local shows doing things come up say hello say hi
01:18:47
Speaker
Oh, yeah, go go get your picture with hard way heater. If you get my if you get a picture with hard way heater and it's and it's specifically from the podcast. I don't know. I'll figure out something to do. Like maybe you'll get like a special pose or something. Oh, you know, whatever. Yeah. We'll make it like a thing.
01:19:06
Speaker
All right, everybody, thanks so much for listening. Send us those names, whatever you think it should be. Like I said, I am in the mood for an NPR name, but I very much support that. You know, come on, just tell us what you got. Thanks, everyone. Kisses.