Transcript
Lee Hatfield: Hello everybody, welcome to the latest episode of the Paranormal Prism. To date, I have got some people that have travelled. from one side of Canada to the other. They probably went out for milk, got lost.
Lee Hatfield: Coming back again. This is the maritime ghost investigation team. There's three of them. because we've only got like three spaces. We've got... Jay?
Lee Hatfield: Jay, say hi.
Lee Hatfield: We've got Rebecca. Say hi.
MGI : hello
Lee Hatfield: And we've got Vanessa. Say hi. So... You sweet Welcome to the Paranormal Prism Thank you for... Putting some time to one side to talk to me.
Lee Hatfield: So how's everyone doing today? Apart from the fact that we've already asked that off camera. How's everyone doing today?
MGI : Very good. Excited. yeah Thanks for the invite.
Lee Hatfield: You're most welcome. And it's all about. Like. It's one big community. The paranormal in universe is one big community. So yeah to speak to you guys. you may do things different to how we do things in Ottawa.
Lee Hatfield: And people on the West Coast may do things different to how... We do. But it's all one big community. So to get you guys on a... on our podcast or my podcast. It's great because it...
Lee Hatfield: builds bridges and... Like, everyone... and Everyone becomes one big happy family. So I'm going to put Jay on the spot first. because you're the boss. Pardon me.
MGI : The boss man.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Ha! what i'm going to do i'm going to ask you about maritime ghost investigations and then i want individual stores.
Lee Hatfield: Jay, how did Maltime Ghost Investigations come about?
MGI : Yeah, it really started... I'm not sure if you saw on our webpage. It might be mentioned in our YouTube too. Rebecca and I. We first sat. kind of came into the paranormal realm back in 2010.
MGI : And while we were still living in British Columbia there, we had some friends of ours at the time. Invite us down to Arizona. And. Yeah, long story short, we went to this Mayan town with them, Jerome, Arizona.
MGI : and did this little ghost hunt that this hotel ran. And it used to be a former. hospital back in the day during the mining. And we were hooked right then and there to the point where even though we were in a fancy timeshare condo.
MGI : with our friends, we said let's spend the night. And so we did. we We spent one night in two different rooms. They had theirs we got ours and the stuff we experienced between the ghost hunt and then that night kind of got us on our path.
MGI : And that's kind of where, when we came across Canada. back in 2024. and met with Rebecca, or the pastor and her husband, Grant, in PEI with the RV. we had We had talked to them and said, yeah. We're coming across Canada and looking to set up shop. and We've always been interested in paranormal. I've done many videos over the years.
MGI : And Vanessa's like... putting their hand up and counting me kind of sin and in the rest is history. But yeah, both Rebecca and Vanessa could probably fill in the blanks that I probably missed. But that was kind of the start the start at least of how... we kind of got into it.
MGI : And then just kind of... migrated over here came up with the name Maritime Coast Investigations where before it was just Rebecca and I basically on our trips. We just did a lot of our trips in a lot of our routes.
MGI : We're ping -ponging, hitting the hot spots across Western USA through California and Oregon. and got a lot of good captures there, but some of the best captures we've actually...
MGI : received with MGI have been right in this province of Nova Scotia.
Lee Hatfield: Oh, that's good. so Have you, or I'll come to you in in a second, Vanessa. but Have you two experienced it like at an early age, any paranormal activity, or is it the fact that you just got the bug?
Lee Hatfield: a few like a few years ago and then went from there.
MGI : Yeah, but my mom and dad, as I mentioned earlier, they immigrated from... England. And my mom's uncle Robert was a spiritualist.
MGI : And so he kind of shared all that information with my mom when she was a little girl. And then they went to go to see a demonstration. From Harry Edwards. And so my.
MGI : Mom and dad were spiritualists. So I grew up in a house that was very very open My dad was a sheet metal instructor by day. and He was medium.
MGI : And he mentored a lot of mediums. So I grew up in a household where this was all. you know. whatever. Can I say the word normal? it was normalized. So lots of experiences.
MGI : Especially when I was a little little one.
Lee Hatfield: Thank you.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : We lost our...
Lee Hatfield: i don't I don't think there anything any such thing is normal.
MGI : Go ahead.
Lee Hatfield: to you In this diagnosis, no.
MGI : that I know right?
Lee Hatfield: I certainly think it's normal. sir
MGI : That's right. What growing up without them was just how it was so I didn't know any different
Lee Hatfield: Bye.
MGI : You know? Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Cool.
MGI : it
Lee Hatfield: Okay, Vanessa, your turn. How did you start getting into the paranormal?
Vanessa Peckford: so i started into mediumship, I took an interest into psychic mediumship and paranormal around 2018. And it has just taken off for me from there.
Vanessa Peckford: growing up i was very connected but i did but unlike rebecca It wasn't something that our family spoke of or that was that was seen as normal. So I kind of pushed it down.
Vanessa Peckford: As an example, I remember sitting out, this this is funny, I remember sitting out on my front lawn as a little girl and I was probably eight years old or so, maybe maybe a year or two.
Vanessa Peckford: and the difference. I can't remember exactly how old I was, but I was sitting alone on my front lawn. And I remember feeling like I was surrounded by... very tall sentient white beings so very tall very white kind of translucent sentient beings and there was a number of them i they have to say there was probably six or eight and they surrounded me as i was sitting there and i remember Feeling.
Vanessa Peckford: the sensation of them saying What do you want to be when you grow up? And or what do you want to do? Sorry, what do you want to do when you grow up? And I said to them out loud and I spoke this out loud. I said, I want to talk to dead people.
Vanessa Peckford: And I remember one responding to me saying, Oh you will.
MGI : you should get
Vanessa Peckford: And that was it. They were gone. And years i have that was a memory that I didn't recall for many, many years later. And then another time I remember sitting on my front step as and as a young girl, probably maybe 12, 13 years old at this point. And I was with a bunch of kids from the community. And we were, you know, sitting on the front step just hanging out as we always did, chatting, having fun, being kids.
Vanessa Peckford: And I remember looking up the road. And. there was a light. that i could see turning off and on on the in the attic of this house on the other side of the street up the road a little ways.
Vanessa Peckford: And I remember saying to my friends, do you guys see that light turning off and on? And they're like looking up the road at the house. and All of them. said, Yeah, we see it. and i'm like weird because it keeps her well i don't know why it keeps turning off and on and they're like yeah we don't know either
Vanessa Peckford: When I first started the spiritual journey and started doing mediumship readings, one of those people came to see me for a reading. and i was a little bit shocked because they were a childhood friend that i hadn't seen in many many years And she came in and she said, Vanessa, I have to tell you, I'm not surprised that you're a psychic medium.
Vanessa Peckford: And i I was kind of taken aback by it and I said, well, why? And she said. Do you remember that time that we were all sitting out front on the on your front step and you saw the light turning on and off in the attic of the house up the road? And I said, yeah. I remember that. And she said, not one of us.
Vanessa Peckford: saw the light turning off and on.
MGI : second
Vanessa Peckford: But she said you were so convinced. None of us had the heart to tell you we couldn't see it.
Lee Hatfield: how
Vanessa Peckford: So I kind of joked and I said, I wish you had told me that, you know, maybe 20, 30, 40 years ago, because I would have probably. maybe thought more of it. but Anyway.
Lee Hatfield: But you probably wouldn't have... gone down the road that you've currently gone down. If they had just said. Vanessa. You're talking garbage. We can't see anything.
Lee Hatfield: So everything happens for a reason. so How do you... Combine your mediumship with MGI.
Vanessa Peckford: We all kind of have our special, like. special kind of like skill set and what we're good at. And the really beautiful thing about MGI is we all have stepped into different roles that we feel comfortable in.
Vanessa Peckford: And so when we go on site to a paranormal investigation location, i really just do what i what i love to do i feel the energy i might see spirit i'll feel signs i'll get colors And the really cool thing I think is the investigative evidence that comes up.
Vanessa Peckford: So. as an example i remember being at one location i think it was on briar island about this time last year And. we were doing an investigation and i said i feel i can't remember what i had said exactly but something about i feel something coming or or you know from this location or this direction And the evidence of the camera picked up some kind of...
Vanessa Peckford: anomaly. that was coming from the direction that i was feeling and pointing to in that moment So like I... I'm continuously shocked to feel that. and for me to say like i feel something coming from that direction but then for it to be caught as evidence on camera is really kind of neat for me to experience too.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: For sure. so Yeah, you've got your mediumistic skills. yeah You've got a spiritualist background. Rebecca. Jay, what's your expertise?
MGI : No. Yeah, so I sent you all the hyperlinks to our socials there with the the videos. and the layout of all that. So I'm that guy. so Some of my videos Vanessa has provided for me.
MGI : of footage that she took years ago. And... here in Nova Scotia there and I was able to collect it and edit it and do overlaps and all that and I just did one yet just like just I put my note to just half an hour ago as well. So I'm the technical guy so I... I have a lot of gadgets so I'm the gadget guy.
MGI : And I know Vanessa also has a few in her arsenal. and and But I'm the video editor. and listen for the EVPs and doing the overlays. And a lot of times... Rebecca and Vanessa.
MGI : don't know exactly what I've caught yet until they watch the video. And I might share a few little clips later. Ooh, it's going to be good when I got some stuff. You guys don't know about yet. And they'll see it for the first time as well. So.
MGI : It's kind of fun for me. I get excited seeing what we've caught, put it together there, present it to the public, see the comments. And then it's really awesome watching both these, Rebecca and Vanessa, working together. We did an investigation in a private home outside of Lunenburg.
MGI : or in lunenburg i should say And they were both... doing their magic with mediumship and it was this great just being almost like a spectator with the camera. And just.
MGI : hearing what they were catching and picking up on. and then sure enough throughout the night it validated. Over and over again that we've done a lot of investigations there. So I love I love saying that Vanessa Something's playing with your hair and I have validation because...
MGI : I have that SLS camera with the stick figure. And sure enough, there's something on her head. So it's a validation there. She's just not. feeling it or picking it up i said yeah here it's legit it's there's a humanoid figure in your on your head so It's pretty cool to be on that end. as both of her and and Rebecca at times do the do their thing there.
Lee Hatfield: So do you find that you've got... Any... abilities yourself and Both ladies, if you could kind of jump in and say to see if you've actually noticed if.
Lee Hatfield: Jay does actually have any abilities that he won't admit to.
MGI : Yeah, there's some Yeah, prior prior to coming to Nova Scotia and BC, we... He had an older home in built in the 30s. and uh Now, I definitely have seen...
MGI : orbs like without a camera like bright flashes. and in our house there and sure enough went upstairs super cold presence there and hearing footsteps come down the stairs. so at times I see stuff out of the corner of my eyes so I do at times pick up on stuff.
MGI : And... Yeah, that's one one I could think of. I'd say Jay is... Amen. highly intuitive. And one...
MGI : place that we went to. I'll just say Lunenburg County. When we were... getting set up to stay at this place. I saw someone and as clear as day went past, I thought, what's Jay doing now?
MGI : because I was in the car with our dogs. while we kind of got it figured out. and then I saw a cat. So I saw a white cat in the window. and then a nice fluffy chocolatey brown cat.
MGI : And then... Sure enough, we're just starting to do our investigation and Jay sees this brown cat identical to what? I saw. So he's seeing things too.
MGI : That's right. now Like Vanessa and I see, I think we all have that ability. We're all intuitive. For sure.
Lee Hatfield: So. I'm going to ask all three of you the same question one thing that i like to ask people that got abilities if they see if they hear Yeah, if they feel, et cetera. But. The next question comes along the lines of.
Lee Hatfield: If you do see. entities let's just call them that because obviously We can't confirm for definite. that Yeah, spirits and ghosts exist. We know they probably do, but we can't.
MGI : mm -hmm
Lee Hatfield: can't prove it so For you three... When you say something. whether it be a spirit of an animal or a human. How do you see it? now what i so What I mean by that is, do you see it like a...
Lee Hatfield: I always use the term. the white sheet with the cutout eyes but i know that that's not the thing
MGI : What's up?
Lee Hatfield: but Do you see it like a... it's like a uh a shadow? Do you see it like a a person? that you can't tell if they've passed or not.
Lee Hatfield: Is there like an aura around the person? how How does seeing these images come across to you three as individuals?
MGI : I see. you know particular pets that we've had from childhood to being adults, clear as day. And I know they're gone, so I know that I'm seeing them. They're having a little visit.
MGI : End. just sometimes while we're doing investigations or if we're just on a hike somewhere. I'll see stuff out of the corner.
MGI : of my eye. And then I look and... and it's gone but it seems very clear as day again but out of the periphery. And then we were at a...
MGI : little park and I saw A really tall gentleman tinkering in a public greenhouse? And I'm like, oh, that's nice. And then I look and he's gone. I'm like, hi.
MGI : but Where did he go? No one was there. So that's how I see people and animals.
Vanessa Peckford: For me, it's interesting because i I find myself in a lot of different settings. I'm a psychic medium, so that's what I do day to day. uh I am also a very public psychic medium so I do public events readings up on stage What I think is my...
Vanessa Peckford: The, hmm. The best way that I see spirit, the best way I can explain it is what I call kind of a reverse shadow. So when you see a shadow up against a wall.
Vanessa Peckford: it's dark you're seeing the outline the silhouette of of a flower let's say a flower and It's dark. the The shape of the flower is typically darker than maybe the paint on the wall.
Vanessa Peckford: For me, when I see Spirit. It's reverse. So the flower shape. becomes lighter. than the color of the wall So that's how I can see spirit. Now everybody's different. I'm very clairsentient, clairvoyant, clairaudent, and claircognizant. So I see, feel, hear, and know spirit messages.
Vanessa Peckford: but I also from time to time will get smell. or I'll get taste. And so it just really depends.
Vanessa Peckford: I know that for MGI, when we've gone on paranormal investigations, I've had a mixture of seeing things. I've been, you know, somebody's touched my hair or, you know, I get a sensation that somebody's touching my hair, speaking to me, growling at me. I mean, it could be anything really, but typically for seeing spirit, I'll see in what I call it sort of a reverse shadow.
Vanessa Peckford: but i also very much like rebecca may get a shadow like a shadow figure is what i would call it that might just kind of zip across from one spot to the next but by the time my you know my By the time I catch up to it sort of with my eyes, I guess it's gone it's already gone and out of sight. but That's quite interesting.
Lee Hatfield: Okay.
MGI : more
Lee Hatfield: What about you, Jay?
MGI : Yeah, I I'm just trying to think If there's ever been a... Can you mention the key? cat. And, uh... Yeah, I don't have a... Don't have a lot of that. Like I said, I'm more.
MGI : Maybe the abilities are there. I just haven't enhanced them yet. So that's where the tech comes in. I'm i'm the techie guy that... Hopefully the gear, the camera. or the EMF, or we have to connect this to the last camera.
MGI : with the the stick figure. piece there. And that's kind of my verification there. that something's there but i don't i don't go have the abilities home to play as well as these two so
Lee Hatfield: Okay.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So. Part of your description. is you combine mediumship, which we've kind of just mentioned. technical analysis which we've kind of just mentioned and historical research so for Jay, if you're going to a location, do you tell the ladies?
Lee Hatfield: Where are you going beforehand or do you? bring them in blind so to speak so everything is fresh for them.
MGI : Yeah, so that's... That's a good question. So that's that's definitely the way we roll with MGI. I'm not only the tech guy, I'm the, I guess the... quasi historian of the location we're heading to so We've been to Mount's Mansion. and in north scotia as well in that private home and Lunenburg and a few other locations and so
MGI : Basically, I'll do all the research through online Uh, through AI whatever it takes to get as much detail about the location itself. and I'll have my own script there. And the lady is right away, both Rebecca and Vanessa, don't tell us anything. Whatever you don't tell us, I'm like, okay.
MGI : But sometimes I have it. Tennessee had a chirp. and so yeah we go into each location and uh so And I know that the Lunenberg, the private home we did, which for the amount of time we were there, for really only a few hours we got. A lot of... A lot of evidence.
MGI : and And we went into it. i I basically and I'm kind of the semi -director there in terms of like I already know the layout of the home and talking with the the homeowner.
MGI : and kind of that the game plan, so to speak. So I'll share that with the ladies. And then that's it. After we get to the sites for that, going back to that private home in Lunenburg.
MGI : they Off they go, do their thing. One's in the basement, one's upstairs. and They come back, share everything, and and then the homeowners just...
MGI : taken aback. because I share with her as well as I do. But I had a conversation with the homeowner prior. to get the low down. And she's a... They're just taken aback by how much...
MGI : that the ladies are just nailing. And it's so that's it. That's the fun part for me, just to have that knowledge there. and then after the investigation I'll share it in or embed it in the videos.
Lee Hatfield: so At what point would you... Confirm. uh information so you said that you're kind of like the historian if you've got some information and one of the ladies kind of ticks that particular box. at what point will you tell them that they're correct? Would it be like...
Lee Hatfield: right there, right then, or would it be... after the event or when you're doing in your editing afterwards.
MGI : No for the Lunenberg home. It wasn't late at all. at the end of the night I think because it's a multi -hour event So i'm just really I'm literally just behind the camera.
MGI : and keeping on the QT there. So they're here still. experiencing and developing and sensing. And so it's really... It's really when the final cut, the final curtain comes.
MGI : then there'll be an explanation or I know in that same home. the homeowner had shared. as as they were talking there like she'd be nodding her head or looking at me going like that So there'd be a bit of a bit of a heads up that one of the ladies nailed something there. And so she she might have share like...
MGI : Yeah, what you're talking about is my aunts or whatever, like she would share that on the spot. But everything I have, I keep. kind of bottled up to the to the end. Like with the mouse match, should we did that two nights on that.
MGI : And it wasn't until the next day, because once again, it's a two -day event. so it Once again, I know the history of of the players, that the history of the house. But yeah, so that's that's a lock and key for me and so yeah that's how the tippy rolls.
Lee Hatfield: And. I... I think that's the right way to go because I've worked with a couple of mediums and Every single one of them. does exactly what the two ladies say. Don't. Tell me a thing.
Lee Hatfield: Because if you've got prior information. That's thing gonna contaminate your thoughts because you already know something. so Auf Wiedersehen.
Lee Hatfield: This is something that we tried recently. Have you ever blindfolded them before you've got there? to see if they can pick up on anything. prior to getting to the location. If you haven't...
Lee Hatfield: I recommend it. get the birds Get them both in a car and blindfold them so they don't know where they're going and then see if they can pick up on stuff before they get there.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: That's it.
MGI : at this time
Lee Hatfield: There you go.
MGI : That would be fun.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : I've definitely seen that on TV shows. where they literally yeah the psychic medium is blindfolded nothing about the location and they're literally let into the house
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : So they only see the outside of the house and they, or on the way there, they video that individual in the car and they're like, I'm picking up on this. So no, I agree.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Yeah.
MGI : I've seen it before. and
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : We'll see what the ladies think about that.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : Sure. One of the things...
Lee Hatfield: And if... I hope. Go on, sorry, carry on.
MGI : Awesome. Sorry, Lee.
Lee Hatfield: That's okay.
MGI : One thing that I typically do is I have no idea, you know. any history or anything like that so I do I'm I like to have a little quiet time. probably two days before we go at in the evening.
MGI : after I do my meditation. And then I do the automatic writing. And so then I come prepared. Because I don't like being put on the spot either. That's just my personality. So that makes me feel, you know.
MGI : connected to the property. Or the... person or whatever it may be. prior to going.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. And one thing that I want you to do, the next time you go out...
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Put Vanessa in a car, blindfolded, just drive her to a field. and just leave it. Just thought.
Lee Hatfield: See how long it takes her to go. Guys. Guys? Go ahead. So. Vanessa, at the beginning you mentioned that you've got...
Lee Hatfield: and like say i don't If I say the wrong word, please correct me because I'm from England. We don't use the correct term sometimes. like your indigenous background. How do you use your...
Lee Hatfield: spiritual faith from your What's the correct word? you'll
Vanessa Peckford: practice
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. your your people so despite i just got a complete blank of what the world i'm looking for
Vanessa Peckford: ancestors?
Lee Hatfield: Huh? That's it. That's the word I was looking for. how How does that kind of... revolve into what you do now. like because of your spiritual background, because a lot of indigenous people do have yeah a lot of spiritually.
Lee Hatfield: kind of faith and understanding where as like especially me from england it's like what yeah i ain't got a clue So. How does your background and your... ancestors bring you into MGI and does it does it affect you in different ways?
Vanessa Peckford: so i I follow a lot of Indigenous practices like traditional ways and My grandmother and my great -grandmother on my mother's side were the last two Medicine Women. on our nation.
Vanessa Peckford: And I. feel like there. I feel like they're there with me through the work that I'm doing. With in terms of medicines.
Vanessa Peckford: I am. I've learned through experience. that It's important for me to smudge. I smudge to clear energy from me and my equipment. both before and after each and every session.
Vanessa Peckford: so or in any location so when if i'm reading or if i'm out with mgi One of the things that I... kind of the rules that I have in place is that if I'm going with a team or with people to do any kind of investigation Everybody there has to agree before we leave that they will smudge afterwards.
Vanessa Peckford: Because I've run into a number of situations as I was kind of learning the ropes of how to do this and safely do this. I've learned that Sometimes you can take a spirit home with you.
Vanessa Peckford: And it's really not... I don't recommend it I recommend that the spirits stay where they're at. And and so so I'm very grateful for...
Vanessa Peckford: you know for the medicines and for my indigenous teachings and having my ancestors with me.
Lee Hatfield: Now. I'm so glad that you mentioned about attachments. Because you're... you're gonna go nuts now i can guarantee that you're not gonna be impressed with what i'm about to say Somebody said to me,
Lee Hatfield: Have you ever had an attachment? And I went, no. but I would love one. And they went, what? And I went. I'm a paranormal investigator. If I get an attachment...
Lee Hatfield: Think how much how much research I could do in my own home. I've got something with me.
MGI : right
Lee Hatfield: And if it starts moving moving stuff around, I'm going to get my cameras out and I'm going to record it because I'm looking for that evidence. and the way You're crazy. And I went, yeah, but if you... But if you're positive towards that.
Lee Hatfield: They try to break you down. they try to like Like... make Make your life. Hell, so to speak. But if you're positive towards it and you actually investigate it and looking forward to them doing the next thing, it's sort of like, yeah, bring it on.
MGI : so
Lee Hatfield: but but think Think about the footage. Think about the evidence that I'm going to get. It's going to be amazing. But I do respect what you just said. that yeah in an ideal world.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: But I just thought... Hang on a minute. if this If this is going to happen, like... I'm going to record the crap out of this. so I'm going to get all the evidence and go, look, this has happened. So...
Lee Hatfield: So... Vanessa and Becca, when you two go to an investigation... Do you kind of... bounce off each other. or yeah And do your...
Lee Hatfield: your abilities, like... get stronger if you like when you're working together. yeah How does it work when you when you two are kind of like side by side?
MGI : Yeah, I'll speak to that. I really love working with Vanessa.
Lee Hatfield: Aww.
MGI : they We vibe. Very well. I met Vanessa through a course. where we were learning to enhance our intuition and and many other pieces to that too.
MGI : And as soon as I met Vanessa, I was like, oh. She gets me. I get her. Soulmates. So when I find that Vanessa and I speak...
MGI : During. you know one of our investigations. Typically what we do is we sort of split up. And then we go like this, like chips that pass through the night and cover the whole house.
MGI : And then we almost compare notes. And then when we're going around. as a three -pack. I would say that. happens where Vanessa and I just...
MGI : You know bounce Things off of each other and like oh oh this and that and and it's so much fun, and it's very validating And then Jay's there catching evidence with...
Lee Hatfield: and that
MGI : all of his gadgets.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. I was gonna say.
MGI : Behind us.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: He's there with a camera getting whiplash. Sort of like a movie.
MGI : That's right. Pretty much. pretty much
Lee Hatfield: Maybe in between the two.
MGI : Yeah, it's's it's a ping pong, right? and Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : Yes.
Lee Hatfield: So a lot. God, my neck's sore. Were you two kind of like...
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Stop moving.
MGI : Yeah, for sure. listen
Lee Hatfield: So... Question four, three of you. Have you? ever felt like. You did not want to be in a location and you kind of. Had to leave.
Lee Hatfield: is that like you don't have to ask to go to the bathroom for that so you could just go
MGI : Yes!
Lee Hatfield: Excuse me, sir. Yeah. Yeah. So. That's right. I've... Of all three of you, like... been to a location where you thought yeah this is a bad bad negative vibe. i don't I don't want to be here.
Lee Hatfield: and I don't want to investigate. Go on Vanessa, you put your hand up.
Vanessa Peckford: yeah Yeah, so I'm like which one So i there was a location that I did in Sydney, Nova Scotia. I was at this location which was the home.
Vanessa Peckford: of a couple of ladies that i was there with at the time my husband's also a medium so he was there doing this the the intention was i had him and i had gone down and we did a reading for a group of people in the home that afternoon that evening we were doing a paranormal investigation there he and i And.
Vanessa Peckford: It was interesting because we had set up the equipment. And. We had everything recording. And I'll... it got really active really fast in the in the basement of this house and all of a sudden there was somebody so my husband was standing in front of me in a doorway And all of a sudden I felt somebody, or no, I saw somebody come up behind him.
Vanessa Peckford: but there it was a spirit. And the moment that I saw somebody come up behind him, he said, oh. I feel like somebody's behind me. And I'm like, yep, they are.
Vanessa Peckford: A minute later. the two ladies that were in the home one was the homeowner and the other was a friend were sitting on the stairs off to my left. and there was a a great big clank like somebody had taken a can a can of pop or a can of something and thrown it on the floor And so it startled all of us that were there, startled all four of us, but the two ladies both screamed and jumped off the stairs because it had happened right next to them.
Vanessa Peckford: Knowing that I was the more senior. investigator on the premises, if I left, there was nobody left to take over from me. So it took me back for a minute. I literally took about two steps back from where I was standing because all of this happened so quickly and so close together. I needed to kind of. get get my balance and catch my breath.
Vanessa Peckford: And i I know I went into sort of fight flight mode for a second because i every fiber in my body said run. And then I'm like, I can't run. If I run, the whole investigation's over.
Vanessa Peckford: So I took a step back. I regrouped and I stepped forward again. And then we went on and we investigated. I would have to say that is one of the...
Vanessa Peckford: Probably stronger. investigations that we did. but also at the same time there was a moment where I would have rather gone out the door. I'm glad I didn't and everything worked out.
Vanessa Peckford: and it was a really great experience. but for me that was definitely the one time. I could have ran.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. Mystery misses. Your turn.
MGI : Oh. I have one, only one. I'm very much a physical empath. with people on this plane and the other. So I go by the feeling. And we were in Jerome.
MGI : Arizona. and doing a tour. And there was this room. And I went to walk in. to this space and it was like someone stop me and I went okay I'll listen I'm sometimes not good at listening, but I did that time and I turn around.
MGI : And I I laughed. Where's my badge? And then after the fact, Jay told me that was the morgue. And I thought, okay.
MGI : And so that's my one and only time where I felt. Like... a little bit. Ooh. like creeped out by something. That was when we were looking at the carpenter's place. I'm sorry, I have to let the puppy in.
MGI : Yeah, and to play awesome.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. No problem.
MGI : To fill in the rest of the story there, was I was taking the same one. I think I already knew because it was in a TV show previous. and this location there.
MGI : and But also the landowner said this is the morgue they had. from the hospital that we stayed at, which is now a hotel, the Jerome Brown Hotel. And...
MGI : So yeah, I really knew that... that was the morgue. And didn't tell everyone. I can't remember how that worked out if I told him before or after. the long story short so yeah rebecca never came in i went in there of course with my tech gear Took a few EVPs in there, and we definitely got some voice phenomena.
MGI : And, uh... The interesting stuff about that would be EVP was... it like I did the editing on it and posted it.
MGI : I swear, every time I played it, this bad stuff would happen. I don't know, just... i really I was convinced that every time I heard it. It was not good. So I actually went back to my video and put that on the front that Like a word? Like a warning? Here's our puppy there.
MGI : And just just to say... Just, uh... Yeah, warning the... this content could be. be harmful or whatever. That's the first time I've ever done that. That's the only time I've ever done it.
MGI : on our investigations there, but. I just thought I better do that. just in case there is more to what I caught. And so I thought that was... the right thing to do.
MGI : So you can see why I didn't go in.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : making Making good life choices.
Lee Hatfield: 100%. Yeah. Now. Yeah. and Further to what I said... a few minutes ago about getting an attachment. Being...
Lee Hatfield: I've got a history of being in the emergency services. So... When everybody else is going that way... I'm going that way. So... If somebody says to me...
Lee Hatfield: The... This feels really negative. because yeah I'm always cautious because obviously being in emergency services, you have to do like a dynamic risk assessment before you go into any location.
Lee Hatfield: But I would still... tentatively walk forward. Just to because, yeah. As an investigator and as a podcast, I want to experience. as much as I can. because it's the only way that you learn.
Lee Hatfield: So yeah if if one of you two ladies said to me, Don't go into that room because it's negative. it's going to be like okay i'm just going to roll my sleeves up a little bit And I'm going to kind of. take a few tentative steps. just to see if I can sense or...
Lee Hatfield: Fake learning is it? And if I can't, I'll take a few more and yeah and i'll I'll do it cautiously. And. Yeah, I think that's. You know. I'm not being... Like I'm not being like.
Lee Hatfield: endangering myself. I'm still being cautious But... for you to experience some of these. instances that happen. you sometimes got to... Take that leap of faith.
Lee Hatfield: if that makes sense.
MGI : yeah yeah Definitely.
Vanessa Peckford: i think i can kind of relate to what you're saying i was also in jerome arizona a couple of years ago and went on a paranormal investigation.
MGI : nuly
Vanessa Peckford: And it was in the basement of an old high school that was there that was that was turned over to sort of a makeshift hospital because of a plague that had come through a number of years ago.
Vanessa Peckford: And as we're going through the tour, of this high school i mean there was spirit everywhere i could see them i could hear them They were making noises. it It was a very, very active location.
Vanessa Peckford: Before we went in there, we were told, We're going to visit. a spot in the basement. where you're not allowed to go. When I question further why?
Vanessa Peckford: It was because a number of people over the years, because the school had been closed for a number of years since the plague. since the the plague And. I was told that a number of people had broken in and there was a lot of...
Vanessa Peckford: Like. satanic cult kind of activity that had happened in there. People would break in and call in spirits and a lot of lot of evil and they wouldn't let us go in.
Vanessa Peckford: So. I'm very much like you, Lee, in that. I don't like to be told I can't do something. It just kind of. pid my curiosity a little bit more.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
Vanessa Peckford: So we get down there and I'm that. I'm that one that breaks away from the rest of the group. And so. i'm taking a few steps in. and I take a few steps more.
Vanessa Peckford: And as I'm getting deeper into the darkness of the hallway, i believe that i have a spirit team that i work with i have spirit guides And I got a few steps into this area where they told us we're not allowed.
Vanessa Peckford: And my own team stopped me. So they're like nope time to go back to the rest of the group So in those cases, I was curious.
Vanessa Peckford: but I also trust the team that I work with to keep me safe.
Lee Hatfield: might Yeah, that makes sense.
Vanessa Peckford: I wish I had been able to go further. but I can completely relate to what you're saying. when i when somebody tells me i can't do something in the paranormal world I'm going for it. I'm doing it anyway.
Vanessa Peckford: until my own team tells me no.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. Yeah. hi
Vanessa Peckford: Good idea.
Lee Hatfield: I don't listen to it. I don't listen to a lot of people, but it gets me into trouble. but hey What are you going to do? Kill me? so We've talked about... The worst experiences. Let's talk about your most.
Lee Hatfield: favourite. Because one of my... One of my most favorite ones, I was at an investigation. December And I was in a... we call them stately homes in the yeah uk but basically one of these buildings where they want to bring it back to how it looked like 100 years ago or whatever and the ground floor was all how it used to look And they will refurbish in.
Lee Hatfield: the upstairs. So I went into... the upstairs and i'm stood in like a window area so i've got my back to the glass And I felt like a little.
Lee Hatfield: child's hand grabbed three of my fingers. My hand was hanging out in my pocket. My thumb was in my pocket. But the rest of my... arm and my hand was hanging out and it just felt like a child grab my three fingers.
Lee Hatfield: Being a logical person. I automatically thought that it was comp webs. But. If my arm's kind of like... teapot handle kind of shape. Any cobwebs are going to get knocked out by my shoulder or my elbow.
Lee Hatfield: So I could not explain it. but if people ask That's one of the favorite my most favourite. experiences. so What is it for you guys?
MGI : One of my favorites is I worked as, I'm retired now. But I worked in the helping profession for about 28 years, and I was a... trauma therapist.
MGI : And I ran to... a room in this cute little house and this the space just felt... Amazing. And there's a lot of words and actions in there.
MGI : that. you know people are releasing stuff so we decided to do an investigation because I was hearing you know, dangling of keys and footsteps you know and i don't get creeped out so i'd go out of my room and no one else is there you know not a soul So I thought we should do an investigation, so we did. and We were up in the attic.
MGI : And we caught... a little elemental. on the SLS. for the longest capture and I was in tracking and I'm small. I'm like five feet. So they made me go into that.
MGI : upper corner of the attic because I could fit and so... well I was crawling along and had some interaction with this. little elemental and at the same time we got her name.
MGI : and it being from England. The elementals and all of that's really important. It brings a lot of love. and healing. So to me, that's why the...
MGI : building and the whole space was just so All of my clients walked in and said, The space is so inviting and loving. And I swear it was because of that little elemental. And that was our best SLS capture we've ever had.
MGI : It was amazing. So and I brought little crystals the next day for her and some other little things so it was just
Lee Hatfield: Cool.
MGI : I loved it.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. Jay, you can't pick the same one.
MGI : I can't confirm. It was very small that she that she saw. and In one of our longest for sure like it was fidgeting Just to add to the story, there was fidgeting around. It was sitting, but it was fidgeting around. And then as soon as we told her back in the walk towards it.
MGI : Crawl. It was like, it it just stopped. there you It's almost like, does she see me? But, no. Yeah, I referenced earlier some of... I feel the best captures we've got. was this opportunity we had.
MGI : On the South Shore in Nova Scotia, we just had a... vacation over there and stayed at this house and Yeah, so I had some new cameras. that I purchased and intended to use their continuous recording and that they're super discreet.
MGI : and I are capable of course for the night vision and they trigger every time there's sound or movement. and And there's... So set them all through the house.
MGI : and not really knowing the location. even if We didn't even know if it was hide. It was this location right now. it's a it's a house that's 120 years old there's got to be some Right, that was my theory And so I had one camera set up in the hallway and it just happened to shoot into our bedroom. So we had a king bed.
MGI : and Yeah, it it was there was two and two occurrences. So the the first occurrence was right in the dead of night, like 3 a .m. when We didn't know this until we got caught. I went through the footage the next day. And once again.
MGI : to kind of give you the the layout. I sleep under the sheets and Rebecca has a weighted blanket there. So she sleeps on top of the sheets with a weighted blanket there. and So I'm going to tell you there, it couldn't have happened any other way. so with the footage Out of nowhere.
MGI : uh the the top blanket, so the comforter. just got ripped off us. and you can see this in the footage and it just happened so quick. And... So I went back, being the tech guy, totally broke it down, slowed it down, slowed it down.
MGI : and even further there. Does it happen so quick our dogs are in our room with us and but we can see if they react or not But when I really slowed it down, I think I slowed it down 10 times, you could actually see...
MGI : this gray hand just shaped like this. It was just a gray with that silhouette, but gray. On Rebecca's side... It just says that. showed up in the footage, then the blanket just got pulled.
MGI : And once again, she's she's under a... a different she's on her weighted blanket not even under the sheets so she didn't do one of these. And uh... So that was the one thing. And then the following night.
MGI : or the following day, 7 in the morning, so not super late at night. I literally got woken up. but I've never been touched by spirit. until this time. And I was dead sleep on my back. And once again, that same camera caught.
MGI : Two toe pulls. There's one on my back. just you could actually see it through the comforter these two tools hard enough that I could that woke me up and you'll see it in the footage there where I i actually wake up and then I think I just go back to sleep until once again I'll get the footage the next day.
MGI : And i I kid you not, it was like two or three days, that toe just... it just felt different It just had this weird sensation to it and We've never caught any evidence of interaction like that before.
MGI : And... But yeah, that's that's probably my my two favorites. And so yeah, we're hoping to go there again someday and do some more investigating.
Lee Hatfield: when you When you do, remember somebody in Ottawa. like Okay. just just
MGI : Yeah, for sure.
Lee Hatfield: Just saying. Just saying.
MGI : That's right.
Lee Hatfield: Okay. Vanessa, your turn.
Vanessa Peckford: So I have two that are kind of similar, but the first one was in my early days of investigating. I had gone to a graveyard. And. I... Was with a couple other people. I was with my stepmom and another lady that Rebecca and I were studying with at the time. And we had gone because what better place we thought to find a a spirit than a graveyard to communicate with and and see, you know, kind of test our abilities.
Vanessa Peckford: And the the funny thing was, we didn't really feel anything while we were there. On my drive home. A friend of mine had called and she wasn't feeling well. She wanted to come with us that evening and couldn't. So she was calling to see how things had gone.
Vanessa Peckford: And the phone rang. and I'm driving down the highway and I have i had an old Bluetooth that I used to clip on my my visor at the time because I had an older style car.
Vanessa Peckford: And so this Bluetooth was clipped onto my visor and I answered the phone. I said, hello. And she said, hi. She said, I'm just wondering how tonight went. And all of a sudden my phone went crackly.
Vanessa Peckford: This... The deepest, darkest baritone voice came over my Bluetooth and said, it was It was a male voice that said, how low can you go?
Vanessa Peckford: but it was like how low can you go i can't even talk that that deep and my phone went dead. the phone went black and it cut out and that was it.
Vanessa Peckford: So I called her back and I said, that's not funny. Don't be messing with me. I thought she had done it. I thought that she was just messing with me. anyway she swore up and down she said vanessa it wasn't me She said,
Vanessa Peckford: I heard it too and then the phone went dead. The next time it happened was a couple of years later, and I was at Citadel Hill, same car, same Bluetooth, and we had done a paranormal investigation there.
Vanessa Peckford: at Citadel Hill. I had my stepmom was with me. her and i do a lot of paranormal stuff together and She had...
Vanessa Peckford: Her vehicle was parked down the hill. So I said, why don't you hop in my car? Because I was closer to the main door, the main gate. And I said, hop in my car and I'll drive you down to yours. so she was doing that now she was getting in my car my bluetooth which was turned off. by the way.
Vanessa Peckford: goes it was a female's voice in a high pitch she goes well That was fun. And my mother, she gets in the car, she goes, who was that?
Vanessa Peckford: And I said, I'm looking at my Bluetooth. I'm like, that was my Bluetooth. And so we both kind of laughed and said, get the smudge kit out. So we smudgeed the car smudge
Lee Hatfield: a
MGI : you
Vanessa Peckford: And we went on with our our night. So I think those were the two like most fun experiences that I've had.
Lee Hatfield: i I always find it fascinating that you've kind of got... The people. that can give stories like we've all just given. And then you get the other people that go.
Lee Hatfield: None of it exists. It's all BS. And. We had it. I went to a public a public event. a couple of months ago now. This guy goes, yeah, it's all BS. I don't believe in any of that. Okay.
Lee Hatfield: All right. On the wind. Have you ever seen a million dollars? No. Well, how do you know it exists? And you could see his his brain was ticking. Hello, mate.
Lee Hatfield: Have you ever seen an atom? No, why are your bodies made out of atoms? I didn't.
MGI : that
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. You kind of get this negativity from some of them. for from some people. But then you turn it around against them and they just go. Okay. But then you you kind of get the people that go, I don't believe in it. However...
Lee Hatfield: this one time. And then they go into a story. so Have you guys ever... experienced any negativity that you that you've then kind of turned around and used to your advantage, so to speak.
Vanessa Peckford: I think I can speak for myself on that one. Up until about 2016, I didn't believe in paranormal. I didn't believe that there was spirit. I mean, even though I had experienced it as a young girl.
Vanessa Peckford: I could explain it away in my own mind, right? oh It was just my thoughts that I... thought thought i saw sentient beings or i didn't see those lights flickering in that house up the road it was just my mind or maybe the lights of another house you can i think you can always explain things away And it wasn't until, like I said, about 2016 that things started to happen around me that really got my attention.
Vanessa Peckford: And it opened up my perspective to to the spirit world. Now, again, like we talked about earlier, Lee, I'm the type of person that if I want to believe something exists or people tell me I can't do something, I need to experience it on my own or I need to try.
Vanessa Peckford: And it was around that time that. there was some spiritual things going on that I thought, okay. It's got my attention. I'm going to join this.
Vanessa Peckford: this course. that claims it can teach me. how to connect with spirit. And I remember when I told my husband that I joined this course.
Vanessa Peckford: he came home from work one night i said oh i joined this i joined this this spiritual course that's going to teach me how if you know if spiritual connection really exists and he laughed at me And he said, what do you hope to be, a medium?
Vanessa Peckford: because he thought I was wasting our money. And today... This is what I do professionally. And my husband is very connected. And like I said earlier, we've done readings together. so I've gone from being a non -believer.
Vanessa Peckford: to very much believing. And.
Lee Hatfield: okay
Vanessa Peckford: Today, this is what I do.
Lee Hatfield: Well, we know we're all... Jay and Rebecca's retirement funds go into all new equipment. So with've what we got that's we've already got that
MGI : That's right.
MGI : That's right.
Lee Hatfield: How have you dealt with any negativity?
MGI : Well... I just feel that. I'm not responsible for others, so I feel everyone's on their own path.
MGI : And because my dad was a medium, He did tell us that when we were young. you know, when I lived at home, maybe don't share that outside of the home because people can be brutal.
MGI : And so I came across a few people that you know. I shared with and probably shouldn't have, but I didn't take it personally. I just thought that's where they're at. Right?
MGI : You can't convince anyone of anything. They have to do it on their own. So I've never been too attached. And it makes me kind of chuckle. In a way. You know, some of the stuff you're like, oh dear.
MGI : but it's their path, their journey, their responsibility not my problem.
Lee Hatfield: Make sense?
MGI : You know what I mean? Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah. What about you, Jay?
MGI : Yeah, probably it The biggest one I i come across, I basically lead the social media piece with the team. And... So yeah, had the YouTube's...
MGI : I actually started with my just my own regular channel there. put put them on there, but now I've migrated quite a few over to MGI from our our past experiences, not all of them. But of course you get the comments, as we all know.
MGI : on Beat TikToks, which I just joined, but more of the YouTube piece. Just going back to that toe pole. one Of all the videos, I thought he would have commented on...
MGI : the blanket pull, but... Yeah, it's the wind. like quote unquote, it's like. A toe pulls the wind, okay. and then In the classic, the dust, and I get it. the the the orbs and the dust.
MGI : And yeah, there's probably a few on the videos that we captured that are dust and that are in the videos. But... We capture so much footage. You could definitely... pinpoint which ones are not dust because yeah the whole videos you see dust flying by.
MGI : It's really, really easy to pick out. It's all one direction there for the most part. So yeah, it's it's when you see that one doing... a streak across the room and doing a hard right in the back of Rebecca's neck in the bedroom.
MGI : That's probably something different. And it doesn't have wings.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : except because so Yeah, I think there was a comment. It's a bug. Uh... Yeah, it was like a straight line and did a hard right turn into her neck. And usually the way I respond to those is I always kind of, if I think of it.
MGI : Not always. i'll I'll incorporate a piece of footage that actually has a bug. flying by. And because it's a bit more. As we know, bugs aren't straight line. They're doing this. And you can actually at times see the the wing flutter, especially if the camera's got high frame rate speed.
MGI : And so I'll... put that in there and then like comment. Yes, this is this is a bug. But these are things. that have direction and intent. I always say they have direction and intent.
MGI : And we've captured these and probably one of the better ones going back to verify verification was going back to that private home in Lunenburg. on the south shore of Vanessa. With her walkthrough, once again separate from Rebecca, she was downstairs and part of her note she shared was,
MGI : Going down in the basement. There's this green cabinet and it's got a slight crack in the door like the the doors cracked open there and She felt this energy And she actually described to a tee that she could see this ball ball of energy come out.
MGI : And there was a lot of noises and our EMF went off for K2. And so that... i I played off of that, but sure enough, I left the cameras there overnight with the owner's permission there. and whatever time of night it was.
MGI : Guess what happened? This ball of energy came out of this cabinet, swung around. and came out of the cabinet there. And it wasn't. yeah you could tell because it was it was distorted there certainly behind it was was out of focus.
MGI : And I overlaid. uh vanessa's voice from her earlier uh sharing of her her thoughts on that location that it was Bang, spot on. and we happen to capture it.
MGI : and i always every time these these two capture something there and if i could validate and lay it on top It... Yeah, like i part of my new tagline for our group is evidence over entertainment.
MGI : Like, we we're there for the evidence. We're not going to... be running the hallway freaking out and overreacting and all that stuff like we're there to capture the evidence try to get rid of
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : the stuff that doesn't make sense or it's or it's legit desk so uh No.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : that's uh that's the only stuff i come across is in comments and and youtube and
Lee Hatfield: Okay. Yeah. And yeah. And keyboard warriors. were Yeah. Ever since COVID especially, they've they've been paramount, but it's like... You've got no idea what you're talking about.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: but What? I've got a... a friend of mine that lives in montreal and so if i get an evp I will send it to him. And he's he's a bit of a tech head like you are.
Lee Hatfield: Jay and what he will do he will break the EVP down into the light voice waves And he'll go. This is you talking. This is me talking. This is me banging on a table.
Lee Hatfield: and this is what you heard. And you can see it. And when you break it down. so that's down to that far. you can see, well, okay, that's one. that's it and You go, okay.
Lee Hatfield: Now now i prove it's not what I thought it was. And yeah and that that's kind of my way of doing it. I i get the the physical evidence. I've got some guys that live in... Uh, your neck of the woods somewhere.
Lee Hatfield: Uh, Have you heard of PPRI?
MGI : h
Lee Hatfield: and yeah Yeah. so
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah, I'm actually a part of PPRI. I'm one of the instructors for one of the courses.
MGI : nice
Lee Hatfield: So I send it to... to Elliot. And he will actually break it down as well and go. yeah The audio wasn't added. The video wasn't tampered with.
Lee Hatfield: yeah this kind of thing and then he sends it back and go yeah we've been unable to prove what it was
MGI : This is Mark.
MGI : Nice.
Lee Hatfield: So, yeah. so we are coming towards the end but i've got two more questions for both of you of Both of you? There's three of you. I can't even count. Come on. So... You probably mentioned it already, and if you have, please let me know. But for all three of you...
Lee Hatfield: What was it? your most favourite location? to go to and it doesn't have to be in Nova Scotia it can be Bye. All three of you have been to Arizona, so it could be in Arizona. What?
Lee Hatfield: Your favourite location you've you've been to and you'd love to go back.
MGI : There's so many good ones.
Vanessa Peckford: Thanks.
MGI : I really liked the USS Hornet. We stayed overnight. And... Oh my goodness. That was... a lot of fun. We got about an hour of sleep.
MGI : but caught a lot of evidence and just met some really awesome people. It was fun. And there were some men that served on the ship that were...
Lee Hatfield: Oh wow.
MGI : part of 4. So it made it really special. and yeah that was very intriguing wouldn't you say yeah Yeah. Yeah.
MGI : Yeah, I was going to say the same one. Well, you were. Yeah, USS Hornet, retired aircraft carrier just outside of San Francisco there. but Yeah, I already referenced... the Jerome Grand Hotel. We've been there.
MGI : I think four or five times overnight. and it doesn't disappoint. And... just with everything we've caught and witnessed there uh like i said that was That was the turning point for me going back to Vanessa's earlier story there. i I didn't grow up in a spiritual household, wasn't even thinking about ghosts or paranormal to be honest.
MGI : you know just just something there just Just kind of caught my attention there and here we are years later in we produc videos in tour province and province.
MGI : talking to folks like yourself.
Lee Hatfield: Cool. Vanessa.
Vanessa Peckford: So mine was a location in Cape Breton. I had gone with my husband and we had set up recorders on the wall of the ruins of this this location that's back in the woods.
Vanessa Peckford: And. My husband had said to me, I see somebody who... is a cook And I said like a chef and he said yeah like a chef.
Vanessa Peckford: And the footage captured that night. After he had said that to me, there was a capture of a voice of an of a of a male entity That said. Chef.
Vanessa Peckford: And it was kind of very gruff. and it's actually one of the videos on our page of mgi's page now but you hear this entity go chef And it was, so I think that was probably one of my favorite, but I'm with Rebecca and Jay.
Vanessa Peckford: There's so many, I think every location we go to becomes my favorite.
MGI : Oh yeah.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : Oops.
Lee Hatfield: And.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: And there's so many that... we can't go to as well. yeah You've got... ones that you go to that yeah maybe local to where you live and you you have your favorite local, but like, yeah.
Lee Hatfield: If you speak about this. The states you've got. Eloise, you've got, yeah. Allegheny. You've got so many. that you you You two can because you're retired, but some of us have to work, right, Vanessa?
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : No. We hit up some really neat spots in the States.
Lee Hatfield: but but
MGI : What was the Hot Springs called? Yeah, Hot Lake Springs hot lake spring in Oregon. Wow. Yeah. That was insane. It was really neat there. yeah And a lot of evidence captured.
MGI : As soon as Jay walked into the place. I wasn't there I think I was in the truck with the dogs. And someone pounded on the door right away, and he quickly opens the door, and no one's in the hallway, and he said,
MGI : Great. We're going to have a good night. Yeah. It was daytime.
Lee Hatfield: of
MGI : I was just sitting. Putting the suitcases in and there's two doors to our room and it sounded like someone was just trying to get in. It was that loud. I was like, whoa, like what is going on? Go in the hallway, no one.
MGI : Ha ha. I was just like...
Lee Hatfield: Bye.
MGI : Okay, here we go. Doesn't have to be nighttime.
Lee Hatfield: and
MGI : I should have my GoPro on my head.
Lee Hatfield: Yeah.
MGI : and like
Lee Hatfield: uh yeah
MGI : Ha ha!
Lee Hatfield: I've learned the hard way about that. i I went to one location in the US and this cabinet door creaked open as we were setting the cameras up. We then spent the next 40 minutes...
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: trying to debunk it, and we could not. get it to do it again this time.
MGI : Yeah. I know, right?
Lee Hatfield: so Yeah. Okay, guys. Last question of the evening. For all three of you. What have you learned?
Lee Hatfield: from your investigations. into the paranormal. So if there's one thing that someone said... This is what I've learned after doing paranormal investigation. What is it?
MGI : Mine would be just to know there's... so much more beyond. what we can see You know, and that there is.
MGI : A continuation after the body goes. And that gives people some peace. You know. Or could give people, I shouldn't say it would, it could give people some peace.
MGI : Yeah, and I've learned that Just hooking up with Vanessa with our group there. Going back to the smudging piece, which I didn't have a lot of knowledge on. I think I might have seen the shows, but didn't really...
MGI : Kind of understood, but not. And we've used that even in our current house. Yeah. uh, for Yeah, just... feeling some stuff that didn't feel right, be it this house or even our last house in BC.
MGI : And just learning that that is a very powerful piece. and And yeah, we use it with the... With the Vanessa's help and training and she supplies.
MGI : some of the medicine to us and teaches us how to do it and we're still learning a lot from her. So we appreciate your bringing that to the table.
Lee Hatfield: Vanessa, move to Ottawa. Just saying. just
Vanessa Peckford: yeah
MGI : laughter
Lee Hatfield: Okay. Vanessa, what have you learned?
Vanessa Peckford: i I have learned... a deep respect for spirit. Understanding that. the the people who we're dealing with from the spirit world have crossed over from the physical and that they carry the same personality.
Vanessa Peckford: the same characteristics that they did here in the physical world. So. Excuse my language, but if they were a mean SOB here in the physical world... And there.
Vanessa Peckford: They are earthbound. Not in the light, but earthbound as a spirit or a ghost. Here in the physical still. They know how to be mean. They know how to be scary.
Vanessa Peckford: right I always say, if i if I passed away tomorrow and I wanted to come back and and give somebody a fright, all I really have to do is move a pen two inches to the right.
MGI : laughter
Vanessa Peckford: Right? and and they're gonna and and somebody's gonna be afraid that the average person will will come from fear So I think it's having a deep respect and understanding.
Lee Hatfield: Come and see me. Yeah.
Vanessa Peckford: that when we cross over we still carry that same personality that same characteristic but i think what's more fascinating is the reasons why people don't move to the light and why the paranormal world that we investigate have so many spirits here for us to investigate Why is it that they haven't crossed over?
Vanessa Peckford: why like crossed over to go into the spirit world as opposed to being earthbound So I find that's fascinating. I think that's what I've i've really concentrated on. during the years that I've been doing paranormal investigation.
Lee Hatfield: And I couldn't agree more. it's like It's really bizarre because yesterday I was at a yeah a small... Sasquatch. convention. just in Quebec.
Lee Hatfield: And. Everybody was doing their... their talks on. experiences from the sasquatch you going camping and seeing something big and hairy And I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to speak because I yeah i don't go camping anymore. I used to in the UK, but not over here.
Lee Hatfield: So, so. And i I interviewed a guy a few weeks ago, a guy called Travis Watson. who wrote a book called... feet. forest poltergeist And it's like...
Lee Hatfield: If you're in the woods and you hear all these noises and you get things thrown at you and you you see footprints. Why does it have to be? encrypted. Why can't it be a...
Lee Hatfield: poltergeist or a spirit in the forest. End. Yeah, there was a couple of people there that are quite big into the in the cryptozoology world and they went I'd never thought about that before.
Lee Hatfield: And. I got so many positive results. from that talk. People going, oh, that was fabulous here. It makes a change from hearing about, yeah, this... this big fall this sasquatch picked me up a man off with me you get all those stories all the time but to get to give it a different perspective.
Lee Hatfield: And it's like. it's great and that's what i like about this because even tonight i feel like we haven't touched the surface we're talking with you guys so i'd love to invite you back maybe in the new year so we can continue and talk about more locations and talk about different things
MGI : awesome That would be great.
Lee Hatfield: But that.
Vanessa Peckford: that
Lee Hatfield: But you find that when you talk to people, like you you only kind of touch the tip of the iceberg. And it's like. I need three hours to talk to you guys, not just one.
MGI : Yeah.
Lee Hatfield: So with that being said, I absolutely thank you for your time. It's been an absolute pleasure. I now know where Nova Scotia is because... know I knew where it was before.
Lee Hatfield: It's that way.
MGI : yes
Lee Hatfield: It's that way. Except for that. is that Yeah, so definitely definitely that way. Bye. Thank you for your time. We'll definitely keep in touch. And. Yeah, you have a great rest of the evening. and We'll definitely talk again soon. Thanks a lot. Take care. Bye -bye.
MGI : Thank you, Lee.
Vanessa Peckford: Thank you, Lee.
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