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This week Chris and Fax both attended many hours of wrestling in New Jersey between the ROH PPv and Collision. We're also chatting Hulk Hogan getting engaged, 2 sweeting strangers, the Adrian Adonis Dark Side of the Ring and more!
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Band's guitarist excitement and The Butcher's reception
00:00:35
Speaker
I'll be honest, there's, you know, if people count down and the guitarist of my favorite band comes out, then I'm going to still be excited. But, you know, there's, there's shittier guitarists out there that could have come out. It's, it's funny because I was actually thinking that where, because I feel like I don't remember specifically, but I feel like the butcher came out like,
00:00:57
Speaker
like sixth or something like that and like the first five had been pretty decent like upper mid-card guys like guys that are getting pretty good pops uh like Suzuki was one of them yeah so like they started with like the people the fans wanted to see and then the butcher was like the first or second of the like flots them
00:01:19
Speaker
And he didn't like it was like everyone had been popping and then he comes out and people are like. And I was wondering that I'm like, I'm surprised he doesn't get a bigger pop just from his band. You know, like you'd think in Boston, you'd think would be a good every time I die spot.
00:01:36
Speaker
You think so? Yeah, they're very much in East Coast Band. Yeah, they're in East Coast Band.
Suzuki's Royal Rampage participation
00:01:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I was actually, you reminded me of facts. I was a little sad because when I saw that Suzuki showed up for the Royal Rampage, I'm like, well, they got to use them for collision or the ROH thing.
00:01:52
Speaker
No, neither you nor I got to see Suzuki, but he was in the Royal Rampage for like four minutes before getting just dumped by like Big Bill or something. It's the same between GCW shows. He fly all the way to America just for the Royal Rampage. And again, he didn't do anything in it. He wasn't in it for that long. I don't think he there's no angle. He just kind of was in for a couple of minutes and then just got dumped. Was he just there to babysit a bushi? Maybe.
00:02:21
Speaker
They're just all the, all the veterans have to take turns. That's really like the new Japan office is like, okay, we're not going to be mad that you signed a bushy, even though we, we still got a little bit of heat with him, but like we need one of our veterans around at all times to make sure he's not like talking too much shit. We don't want him in the same room as Meltzer or Sean. He gets anywhere near Sean. Stop Suzuki's been told he has, he could use lethal force to neutralize him.
00:02:55
Speaker
Let me do an intro right now so that the people know it is a show and they're not just listening to a phone call between us.
Introduction to Predeterminate Pro Wrestling Hangout
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Speaker
Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Predeterminate Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, the other two hosts of this show, Chris Miggs and Jimmy Fax. So Garrett, how many hours of wrestling in New Jersey did you watch last week?
00:03:26
Speaker
wrestling in New Jersey. How many were there? Was there what eight? Sorry, Darby, I just watched Darby Allen do a dive into Shane Strickland and landed. Oh, God, like he didn't land on his head, but he did. It was a great magic trick. Yuck. That guy, he looks like his arm is dead now.
00:03:53
Speaker
Sorry. He knows that I'm breaking his neck. Don't worry. He'll be fine. What was that a New Jersey? What am I?
New Jersey wrestling weekend experiences
00:04:00
Speaker
What am I? There was like nine hours of AEW slash ROH taped in New Jersey over the weekend. Well, they were there for like most of those.
00:04:11
Speaker
in like a 28 hour period to the point that I remember I was at the ROH pay-per-view and like I want to say Samoa Joe was on like second and I just go to our friend Andrew and I'm just like why is the Samoa Joe Dalton Castle match up second? Like I feel like that'd be pretty high up the card like or first I guess
00:04:35
Speaker
And he's like, yeah, you know, Joe's probably wrestling at least once tomorrow in Newark. And I'm like, oh, yeah, Joe's probably literally got to go home. You know, Joe knows New Jersey. He's not a New Jersey guy, but he spent a lot of time doing East Coast Indies. He's probably got some food spots in Newark. He wanted to check out between shows, you know. So, yeah, you got to put Joe on pretty early so he can he can take the boys out to the best slice in Newark.
00:05:04
Speaker
was okay Dalton Castle has kind of re-emerged in the calendar household and it's because of a clip I couldn't tell if it was from a recent ROH show or if it was something that happened a bit ago but it's a clip of him one of my all-time favorite things in any pro wrestling
00:05:22
Speaker
is
00:05:41
Speaker
At the end of this, I'm gonna win the ultimate prize of $25,000 and then I'm going to the farmer's market and I'm gonna buy everything. I'm gonna buy fancy jams and ferns in a pot that costs $50. I hate it. Dalton's one of the all-time great characters. We may or may not have told the story in the podcast, but the first ROH show that Fax took me to
00:06:09
Speaker
best in the world, 2015 Dalton was on second, probably just like on Friday. And, uh, immediately facts and I and his friend Adam were like, this is our favorite wrestler. Where do we buy his t-shirt? Just frantically Googling where we could buy Dalton castle merchandise.
00:06:31
Speaker
And Adam may or may not have a firstborn son named Colton, which may or may not be named that because his wife wouldn't go with Dalton,
Dalton Castle's career and health challenges
00:06:40
Speaker
so he combined Dalton and Castle into Colton. Yeah, honestly, I feel like if Dalton Castle had just come out a little later.
00:06:51
Speaker
Like he could have been one of those like Orange Cassidy or Dan Housins. It just, it'd feel like he never took off in the way he should have. Or just been healthier, right? Cause I mean, that was, that's true. I will say one of my feedback, I don't think we're gonna spend a lot of time on Ring of Honor this episode, but it was a solid show. Probably one of the lesser, probably the least of the Ring of Honor paper views in the Tony Khan ownership era. But that's a pretty high bar cause all the shows have been really good.
00:07:20
Speaker
Um, classic, right? Like, I mean, the first three are unfair to compare it to because they were basically sold on. Briscoe's FTR is going to be five stars plus and everything else is gravy. Well, and to be fair, I think that this one had a four way tag title match.
00:07:37
Speaker
that probably could have been as good as the last multi-man ladder match for the titles, which was not five, but it was really good. This one just didn't get as much time. It's weird. Even Ring of Honor has now gotten to card inflation so that like nothing gets enough time except for like the two main events. And the women's title match was awesome. It was the best Athena match I've seen outside of like since she left WWE.
00:08:04
Speaker
And if you guys know anything about facts, that is the nicest thing I've ever heard him
Athena's performance post-WWE
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Speaker
say about Athena. I hate her. I do. But I love Willow and it was really good. And Willow lost cleanly, I think. And I still enjoyed it. The men's title match was also awesome. Claudia, I mean, but not as good as the Briscoe F.D.R. batches, to be fair, but like just like
00:08:34
Speaker
Claudio just beats the ever-living shit out of Pac for like 16 minutes straight. It's not like a squash or anything like that, but he really looks like, I think Claudio legitimately doesn't like Pac in real life, how hard he's hitting him, which we all love, right? But I did want to say, Donald Castle, honestly, I would say, if
00:08:55
Speaker
He kind of famously was like his health kind of started going downhill right after he won the world title from Cody. Yeah. Horrible timing. And he's kind of never really been 100% since. But he's been wrestling like every week on Ring of Honor. They've been doing this tournament that he won to get him the title shot against Joe.
00:09:18
Speaker
And he's been wrestling every week and he looked great at the pay per view. He like it's the first time I've seen him since probably twenty seventeen or eighteen that I'm looking at him. I'm like, I have no notes. Like he seems physically fully doing it. And his character work is course never retreated at all. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if anyone had
00:09:39
Speaker
strokes of bad luck around the formation of AEW. Dalton Castle breaking his back basically right when he should have been becoming like a star and getting signed by AEW. It was pretty unfortunate for him. I would say he's number two only behind the girls Marty's
Marty Skurl's global bookings
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Speaker
girl slept with not having the timing to be 18 years old. Yes.
00:10:09
Speaker
Yeah, but now Marty Skurl gets to see the world. That's true. And he gets parts of it. Puerto Rico, Poland, Queens. He keeps ending up in Queens. What does it say about Queens? They're like, he's wrestled here. I think I just saw something he's going to do an appearance in Queens. Queens at Queens has apparently accepting of Marty Skurl and Poland, Queens, Poland, Puerto Rico and Dubai. You're a Queens boy, right? So you.
00:10:38
Speaker
You're the mayor of Queens right now. How do you, how do you speak on this? What's your, I mean, CMLL is not booking him or AAA like he's, he's banned from Mexico, but Queens, you know, Queens has always been a melting pot and you know, part of that pot
00:11:01
Speaker
I don't know, guys. I will say this. I think, Chris, you would agree. I think that Queens has kind of become the the kind of city city's kind of best indie scene is Queens and partially that's because Queens is the most lawless of the of the boroughs in terms of like wrestling commissions like Brooklyn and Manhattan. There actually are some rules. Whereas I think in Queens, it's just kind of like they let you they let it fly.
00:11:31
Speaker
No one's checking anything. Bring in Marty's girl. It's fine. Set a table on fire. Totally fine. I'm just a table on fire party scroll through it. Maybe I
Insane Clown Posse's wrestling return speculation
00:11:40
Speaker
don't know. Sure.
00:11:42
Speaker
You know, what would be great is if AW, if we find out that the elite guys are still actually friends with him and if like they can't publicly support him for obvious reasons, but like they've been kind of politicking to Tony Khan to like let him at least get like a shot and you know, come on, Tony. You should at least buy King one. Well, they just buy the tape library. You don't have to pay him. No, but they bring him in for a one shot and just have Jade just squash him.
00:12:12
Speaker
That's how they bring back. The apparently there is Starks actually. The NWA tweeted whoop whoop this week and people seem pretty convinced. It's either Marty's girl or the ICP. Ooh. I kind of. ICP wrestling comeback. Yeah. They've got to be what in their fifties now like. Yeah.
00:12:35
Speaker
And Violent J has health problems. Like they said that they're not even going to be touring as much anymore. But the NWA because you're going to be opening for Smashing Pumpkins and wrestling.
00:12:50
Speaker
It's it's because, you know, he won't get an MRI because magnets. What do they do? By the way, it's funny on Billy. Billy Corgan was on Conan O'Brien's podcast this week. And of course, he did have to plug his upcoming pumpkins tour that there will be the world, the nation's oldest wrestling promotion doing a wrestling show before almost every Smashing Pumpkins show. And
00:13:18
Speaker
I love that because Chris and I have
Billy Corgan's music-wrestling fusion
00:13:20
Speaker
been to several pumpkin shows together. I've seen the pumpkins. I don't even know how many times, probably about a dozen. They're legitimately one of my favorite bands that well, well predates Billy Corgans involved in anything wrestling related.
00:13:33
Speaker
So I've been to a lot of these shows. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of overlap in like the 48 year old still goth and pro wrestling. But I want to see that just to see how awkward the audience reacts to it. I might think if they bring that show to New York, I might need to join you facts and bring back aggressive drinking during shows.
00:13:57
Speaker
Like I've really cut down, but, you know, that sounds like one where it's got to be like, all right, Long Island ice teas for Chris. It's almost as though Billy Corgan heard that I got cancer, but that I'm like twenty three years too old to get a make a wish. So he's just giving it to me and he's just like like elbowing me like facts. I know you don't get a make a wish wink, but we're going to have, you know,
00:14:25
Speaker
in an NWA, I'm going to have random members of the Morton family wrestling before a pumpkin show. Oh, and our new scenario at an NWA show, but I've been to a few of those. It is, you're lucky if you get a Morton. Well, hopefully you get a Morton because you're definitely getting all 33 tracks on the new pumpkins album.
00:14:52
Speaker
It is it is dense. It is a dense record. He Billy Gordon's just like, oh, wait, people like he just found out that people don't buy CDs anymore. And he's like, oh, 74 minutes. We don't need to. That's not like a thing anymore. We could just make it however long or short we want. All right. I'm going to do like 72 tracks. And then he ran out of money, so he just released the first 33. How many people are left in Smashing Pumpkins, original members?
00:15:21
Speaker
Well, they all kind of filter in and out, kind of presumably when they need money. So I think right now, honestly, I don't know that any of the originals of them, Billy Corgan are with the band. I don't know. That's what I thought because this tour seems pretty big. I mean, you have the openers of pro wrestling and Interpol and Chris is going to drink the Long Island ICS piss his pants during Interpol and throw up during NWA.
00:15:50
Speaker
It looks, I mean, it looks like, it looks like James Iha and Jimmy Chamberlain are still in the picture on Live Nation, but I don't know what that, it's possible they've left the band since then, so. So actually, surprisingly, we were dead wrong. Darcy is the only one of the famous pumpkins that is not currently with them. It's Jimmy Chamberlain, James Iha and Billy are all in the current incarnation. I'm trying to confirm if the New Jersey show is going to have wrestling or not.
00:16:18
Speaker
It's at the PNC Bank Art Center. So that's, that's a big, like, that's a pretty big outdoor amphitheater. So it is actually ideally the perfect physical layout for a combined wrestling plus concert. It is also a pretty big venue. So you can, um, I mean, they can probably get 10 to 15
Concerts and wrestling venue setups
00:16:40
Speaker
,000 there, honestly, at capacity like capacity. I think it's even bigger. You could put, I think, I think theoretically it could be 20,000.
00:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, because I remember- That's like maxed out. I'm trying to remember. I remember seeing, I saw two shows there in a week a few years ago, and it was like Weezer and Fall Out Boy one night, and then it was Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson the other night, and both of them were like crazy crowded.
00:17:08
Speaker
I mean, it says every show is going to have wrestling facts. So we'll talk about this. Maybe we're going to have to make. I don't know when he recorded with Conan. Maybe he hadn't, you know, gotten the talent booked for everything. But now, you know.
00:17:20
Speaker
He's got to get the money's worth out of these contracts. Indeed. Where's the ring? I know I saw some videos of shows where it looked like the ring was at the back part of an arena for some of these. But like I'm seeing here too that in Nashville, they're playing Franklin at an amphitheater. So there's nowhere an outdoor amphitheater.
00:17:43
Speaker
Yeah, in a rock quarry. I'm imagining it would be just by kind of the entrance. Like imagine like they're playing Jones Beach and Jones Beach, like there'd be nowhere to put the ring in the amphitheater. You'd just have to put the ring like in the back area where you come in. Like you could easily do it there. Like at PNC, the way I would imagine, like a lot of these amphitheaters are kind of the same from the ones I've been to. It's almost like you come in and it's like a massive like barbecue and beer garden.
00:18:12
Speaker
And then you walk through that to get to the actual place that the music is. So, yeah, I feel like you just plop that right in the middle to give people something to watch while they're, you know, getting their cores lights and their their ice pop energy drinks and, you know, half burnt turkey burgers. They're going with Interpol and Rival Sons in Jersey and Nashville.
00:18:44
Speaker
Also, also Interpol and Rival Suns. Other dates though include Jane's Addiction and Stone Temple Pilots. And that's, we're wrapping up this episode of... What's Billy Corgan up to?
00:19:00
Speaker
Wait a minute, in fact, I'm curious. So you had to go all the way from your place to Trenton to see the ROA to go. Which is kind of far. It's about an hour. It was a little over an hour because it was like rush hour traffic and about an hour home. And Trenton's kind of a sad place. You know what they say, what Trenton makes the world takes. So it doesn't have much left. Would you say it was worth the trip?
00:19:23
Speaker
So again, Andrew and I were discussing on the way that the ticket, and we had literal second row of, so basically the back of the floor, right? Cause we had the second row of the low level seating and our tickets each were cheaper than it costs to buy the pay per view.
00:19:44
Speaker
Right. And you were so you stole a code from the Boy Scouts, right? Is that what it was? You got no, no, no. We we got the boys club section, although we didn't steal the code. Apparently the boys club was selling them on the side. And when when my friend Andrew had looked, he said, oh, I think our rose going to be empty because when I looked at the tickets today, they like our entire row was still empty. Like they were still selling those tickets.
00:20:14
Speaker
But yet when we got there and we got there before zero hours started, I want to be clear about that. Every single other seat, but one in our row was already had a human being in it. So.
00:20:28
Speaker
No, they were couples mostly, I would say. They didn't appear to be well-versed. They looked like people ready to meet boys. It was just the creepiest fucking section in this wrestling journey. Gotcha. So the people behind us, there definitely was
00:20:45
Speaker
I didn't get a look at every like I would say the overall arena and then certainly our section was a lot of dads with their kids. She'd have like two dads just tie it on with their kids and like kids that like and the dads were actually clearly wrestling fans and knew everything and the kids just didn't.
00:21:03
Speaker
So like, I think there's something about like, Oh, I'm going to take the kids to a show at the arena in Trenton. And then mom is just like, Oh, it's probably like Sesame street live or something. And it's like, no, it's a, it featured, you know, a match with a Vincent, you know, bleeding profusely from razor blades in his head. And daddy, and daddy came home smelling like tequila. Yeah.
00:21:31
Speaker
So he smelled like tequila before he got there. So, yeah, I got kind of a mid R.O.H. PPV. And then, Chris, you got kind of
Collision wrestling show review
00:21:40
Speaker
a mid and I couldn't go. Obviously, like when the tickets are on sale, I didn't know it was like healthy enough to go to this collision. But then I just actually had planned so I couldn't go.
00:21:51
Speaker
It seemed like Clinton. So I mean, I was in, I was in Bhutan in the state champion. That's much better. And legitimately they, they now, when I was looking at the Jersey transit map, as I was getting there, they mentioned him at the Montclair Bhutan line. And I was like, man, why am I going to Newark and not Boone? And what's Putin's slogan again? It's not the world takes it's, it's where you're always welcome. Is that it? Something like that. Where your story begins. Where your story begins.
00:22:18
Speaker
And that's how I won a tournament and became mayor. But yeah, it's funny. We were texting with Garrett. So Garrett hadn't been watching a lot of these collisions live since the show started. And I actually said, and I guess this was the jinx, like, oh, collision is the best wrestling show on TV in the last 30 years.
00:22:41
Speaker
And it honestly like every week has been a banger until they got to Newark and then they were like, this wasn't a bad show. Um, I have some notes, but no, it was like a very mid show. It was a solid AEW show.
00:23:00
Speaker
But it's coming off of like four straight weeks of at least one five star match on collision, it seems like. Right. No one's going to remember this show in a month. I frankly, it was four days ago and I'm trying to piece back together. Well, I mean, in less years from now, unless a steel bites Ricky Starks, right?
Blood and Guts match storytelling
00:23:22
Speaker
Three years from now, you're gonna look back at the card and realize that Terry Funk wrestled twice. That's amazing. Just like the dads in Trenton, I took my daughter to collision in Newark. Jersey's for the kids. Jersey's for the kids. She's super excited. You should have brought her to ROH because her favorite tag team was actually at the Trenton show.
00:23:51
Speaker
Don't rub it in, Vex. They won the titles. Yeah. We watched that match in the afternoon and we were very excited because we figured that the ROH champions would all at least be on the ROH show. The ROH champions who were in the state of New Jersey and normally live in Australia about as far away from New Jersey as you can get.
00:24:18
Speaker
less than an hour drive, less than an hour drive from where they were the night before. And as we've already established, if they had done that drive Friday night after the ROH show, they would have gotten some of Samoa Joe's favorite pizza. Right. Exactly. So yeah, so we showed. So Matt, he was very excited. We made a sign. We had a sign that said Ozzy open and there are pictures. There are pictures on this.
00:24:46
Speaker
So I have two notes for Tony Khan here. First of all, they said the bell time was at six. They didn't start till 6.30. They could have gotten at least a half hour more of the ROH bullshitting before. That's a minor note. The second thing is, if you're going to do ROH after the main TV show, at least tell us who we're going to see. At least promise us so that if we know that it's not going to be that. Because do you know how many? Do you know? Garrett?
00:25:16
Speaker
Garrett, I watched a Big Bill match. Oh, wait, Big Bill and R.O.H.? Yeah. Oh, boy, that's going to be a good parent. I watched a big real bad. You took your daughter to see Big Bill. Not every dad does that. And what do you smell like at the end?
00:25:39
Speaker
Disappointment, disappointment. Smelled of the disappointment. And sweat, it was hot in there. They should also start these things earlier because they just go so late, whether it's a Friday night or a week night. It's like start earlier because like we all leave. We are hardcore fans. We have a fucking wrestling podcast. And I don't think you or I, let alone both of us, have actually made it to the end of an AEW show that's not a pay-per-view in like two, three years.
00:26:06
Speaker
And those mutants that are willing to stay to the end, they're the same mutants that are there at five. So that when the door opens at 501, they can immediately go to the merchant and get to their seat. They're in their seats ready for wrestling at six. You're probably going to get a better reaction out of them at six. Then you're going to get like 1230 or whatever the hell the last ROH match goes on.
00:26:28
Speaker
Yes, yes, absolutely. And then it's the other thing, and the other note I'll just make in relation to this. So Bobby Cruz, ROH announcer.
00:26:39
Speaker
friend of the show
Collision main event details
00:26:40
Speaker
joined us on when we did ROH trivia during the pandemic was on our team. And I will point out was very nice, told us some very funny stories in his Boston accent. And very good at ROH trivia, by the way. He's very good memory. But he said afterwards that there were going to be champions of ROH
00:27:01
Speaker
in the second section of the taping. Athena came out, that's fair, that's one, that's a singular champion, Bobby Cruz. And you said champions, plural, I thought there'd be four. Sweet Lord. And actually, just to really rub it in, I get back and I'm like, man, we stay, and I will point out, without turning this into a parenting podcast, my daughter was good until like 1045, which is very, very late for her, until finally she was like, dad, I'm tired, we should go home. And I'm like, I agree.
00:27:31
Speaker
And I don't think, unfortunately, I don't think Aussie Open's coming out. When she's in therapy years from now, she's like, it was 1045 at night and he was making me watch somebody named Big Bill. He kept saying that he thought Shabbat might be teaming with Aussie Open.
00:27:52
Speaker
and he kept taking out these little baggies of white powder and then shoving them in his pea hole in his zipper. I don't know what that, I still don't know what that's all about. But Garrett, Garrett had to get the call to say to me, well, Chris, at least you got to see Dalton, right? I was like, no, Garrett, Dalton was in the last match, probably went on 11.45 at night. I'd been gone for an hour. They really given him the sweet spot.
00:28:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was, he was, uh, he and the boys were beaten up. Serpentico and friends at 11 45 at night. No. And again, Chris, like we, you and I are friends with many of these mutants, right? We, there are people. So like we had, we have a group that's like kind of the local tri state area, NYC area kind of group of people that like we go to shows with, we buy tickets together. How are friends from melee? Yeah. How many, how many in our group were at that show collision?
00:28:53
Speaker
Uh, like five, right? Angel, Lewis, and, uh, and, and Andrew was there and, and, uh, our child, Jesse. Yeah. Oh yeah. Plus Jesse with Jesse brought his kids, uh, angel didn't, but okay. But I'm just saying, so that, so if you count the kids too, like we're getting up to like close to 10, right? And based on our ongoing never ending group text with, with this group, it didn't sound like anybody made it all the way to the end.
00:29:21
Speaker
Andrew might, I think Andrew might've been there when I left, but even he might've thrown in the towel. He's pretty dedicated, but he might've thrown in the towel towards the end there. Yeah, he's pretty dedicated, but he'd also, he was the one that went with me to ROH the night before. So he was out pretty late. Yeah, he didn't get home till pretty late on Friday and he already got some doll. So he was at nine hours of wrestling in two days at that point, which even by our standards is a lot of wrestling, especially when a bunch of it involves Big Bill and Sir Pentico.
00:29:51
Speaker
But you know, this is actually our first podcast since blood and guts happened. So I will say that while it wasn't the best week of wrestling in New Jersey
CM Punk and Darby Allin's major event involvement
00:30:00
Speaker
history. No, no, all the good stuff happened in fucking Boston. Yeah, it did come off of a really banging week where we had just so much good wrestling just one week before in, you know, the majority of it was in Boston. And, uh, yeah. What are you going to do?
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah. The one thing I'll say about collision before we talk about blood and guts is that it does. If you're thinking about going to a collision taping, it does kind of fly by the two hour show, right? They just moves. The matches are long and good.
00:30:34
Speaker
And the two hour show was enjoyable. And again, Maddie was still energized by the end of it, which is actually pretty impressive for a five year old. So credit where it's due in terms of collision, although not particularly memorable, was an enjoyable show. So if you're thinking about- What was your main event? CM Punk and Darby Allen against Ricky Starks and Christian.
00:30:56
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, on paper and it was pretty good and the setup was nice. Like all four of those guys were featured heavily on the show. By the way, Dynamite is on right now and we have Chuck E.T. come into the ring for the main event. Love it. And by the way, I wasn't really paying attention since we were talking, but Taya Valkyrie and Britt Baker, that match looked pretty good from what I was doing. So was Darby and Shane. Like those two did some crazy shit in that match.
00:31:24
Speaker
They're like, oh, we're at a jersey. Let's let's start working again. Let's try. Let's try hard guys. But some blood and guts. I thought I thought blood and guts was really good. I thought the end was one of the best modern war games endings for me personally. I. Yeah, I loved it too from like a storytelling standpoint of that. It was like a pretty definitive end of that chapter of like
00:31:52
Speaker
The Blackpool Combat Club has to bring in kind of mercenaries and they don't really have friends. And then the Bucks and the Golden Elite and the Golden Lovers, they all love each other and love prevails. But they also do it in a way that sets up lots of other shit. Right. That that, you know, Kalis seems like he's setting up this new faction. There's nothing to do with the BCC. They look like monsters. Obviously, you set up the pack versus Claudio, which was a good match. But like it just seems like they set up kind of a lot of
00:32:22
Speaker
Stuff and and of course you could still keep going back to members of the BCC against members of the Golden Elite Right. Although again a lot of those matches other especially if Danielson's out for a while Mm-hmm a lot of the bigger matches you'd gotten too ready, right? Like so they did, you know Kenny and mocks again They had obviously done mocks and page a bunch of times Yeah, and and the money singles matches left were probably Danielson matches, but it seems like he's gonna be out for a bit
00:32:52
Speaker
So that might be part of the thought there was, well, if we finish this, we can now spin the BCC back towards tweeners. And again, yeah, we can do like, uh, a couple of tag matches out of this still. It doesn't have to end end here, but we've probably milked this in terms of main events for what we could. Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah. And I also I love just like the little things like, I mean, Mox is a fucking animal. Right. And we could do a whole podcast, just things Mox did in that match. But I also love that, like, again, that and you mentioned this, that it felt like an old 80s war games that like, oh, Mox is the one that surrenders because his little buddy is literally going to die.
00:33:38
Speaker
Like they are going to literally murder Wheeler Yuda and Mox is just like, well, I'm handcuffed. I can't help him. Everybody else is fucking gone. Claudio, I don't know what the fuck he's doing. And so I'll just try to make sure my little buddy doesn't get murdered.
00:33:54
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It was very much like some of the early work. I feel like the modern war games finishes for the most part have gone to this sort of like, especially the WWE ones, but they like remove the top so that they can do some big spot. Although even eight and even a W even without with having a top on the cage has found ways to just sort of make this about, you know, Jericho falling off being the ending as opposed to just one team beat the shit out of the other until someone had to give up or die.
00:34:23
Speaker
Which is the old, I mean, you look at the first 87, 89, the closest analog to the finish is actually probably 91 when Eli Gante gives up for Brian Pillman, cause Sid Vicious has like power bombed Pillman into oblivion. But that, like that to me really worked, that it really, the escalation of violence was such that it, again, one team had to give up because they could not or else, again, or else something bad was going to happen.
00:34:53
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm glad they went with that finish, because you know Mox definitely pitched him actually dying as the finish. He's like, just have Kenny just kill me. And they're like, oh, like hit you with a really strong lariat? Like, no, make my vitals cease to function so that I'm deceased. Have they ever ended a match with a gun? Hey, you remember that Brian Pillman thing with the gun? What if we did that, but like real and live?
00:35:22
Speaker
How many times if 50 cents a he got shot, it is possible to survive it, you know, like I could do it. I'm not a pussy. I mean, Tony, you called it blood and guts. What do you expect? Let's get some guts. I've already got the blood, but we have we seen guts. Think about it.
00:35:44
Speaker
I like that every single one of these, they have presented me with a new spot that I haven't seen in one of these matches yet. They haven't recycled much between their version of war games. And thank you everyone for not, because I watched it maybe a day or no, I watched it.
00:36:04
Speaker
You watched it like two or three days later, I think. Yeah, I watched it a few days later and nobody spoiled the better nails for me. Yeah. Like we were texting. I was surprised. So me and Chris had a side text because like it seemed like based on our group text that it seemed like you weren't watching. So we basically started leaving like spoiler free texts in the main thread of like, Oh, fuck. Mox is a sick fuck.
00:36:32
Speaker
And then we had our specific stuff we kept on the side and the bed of nails I'm like, oh I can't wait till you were Garrett thinks about this How'd you feel about better nails Garrett? I love better nails better nails or bag of glass
00:36:48
Speaker
Normally I'd go bag of glass, but better nails when you're like, well Moxley's getting thrown into this, but no, Kenny Omega gets drop kicked into it. And not only does he get drop kicked into it, it falls off and catches his arm in a really gross way on the way down. Yeah, I did not expect Kenny to take that bump at all.
00:37:07
Speaker
But then the body slam onto it where you can see the puncture marks in his back. Kenny Omega is fucking down to do stuff. I mean, we've seen Kenny Omega have like three death matches now, four death matches. Well, you W one impact. Maybe it's like, well, he can't do Osprey again in the Tokyo Dome because they want Osprey in the title match. She's like, he wants to be. And so he's trying to get his attention.
00:37:34
Speaker
Do you think when they explained to Ibushi that he was gonna get to come back and do bed of nails, that he began to weep and just hugged Mox and Kenny? Like just a big group hug. And like held on a little bit too long. Like Mox and Kenny are like,
00:37:51
Speaker
Oh, good. That's cool. Boosie. We're in Boosie just kept holding. Did you guys see the Boosie video on the social medias the next day where he just after the match, cameras aren't on. Flat backed. Flat backed onto the bed of nails. Not on TV, just for the local Boston audience, I guess. And like thumbtacks, right? He left the thumbtacks. And he was bleeding for sure. Yeah.
AEW match pacing and intensity appreciation
00:38:21
Speaker
By the way, this match, I don't think, and like, I know it's, it's, there's a ton of people and stuff like that, but this match just fucking motored. Like I love the fact that dynamite was only three matches. Once again, it's like our third or fourth hour long match on AW television in a month.
00:38:38
Speaker
And it went by so quickly. Like I did watch on like maybe a 10 or 15 minute delay just so I could fast forward through commercials. But I watched on the DVR and I didn't fast forward through the commercials with picture in picture because there was just so much good shit happening the entire time. And when at one point they're like, oh, we're going to take our last commercial break. I'm like, no, no, don't go another hour. Fucking cancel rampage. Just go another hour.
00:39:06
Speaker
It's crazy that they keep giving us essentially this pay-per-view on a Wednesday, once a year. Well twice a year, my Grand Slam. Grand Slam is a more traditional pay-per-view. This is the War Games pay-per-view. Yeah. And what happened to Fight for the Fallen? Did that leave with Cody? They don't do that. It might've.
00:39:33
Speaker
Because I don't think they've done it this year. They haven't announced a fight for the fallen. I think they did one last year. Where's winter coming this year? Winter always comes to Texas because it's more devastating in Texas because they don't have a power grid. So a show so fucked up, it's going to get Ted Cruz to leave town. Oh, I can think about talking about like a bushy just willingly doing a bump on the bed of nails.
00:40:03
Speaker
He's like, you know, you know that Matt Tremont saw that and was like, Hey, a bushy. How about, uh, so next year, eighth anniversary 800 light tubes. What do you say? And a bushy, a bushy in, uh, in Japanese is like, are you in a hospital? That's like, yeah, whatever. Most honorable tree months.
00:40:31
Speaker
I would love it if it turns out that Tony Khan has not and does not ever sign a bushy. They just had a deal of like, listen, you know, it'd be too much fact New Japan said that like, we'll never be able to do the forbidden door ever again if we sign you do a contract. So all I can do is like, I can crease some wheels and get you some immigration papers and get you into the States and get you set up here. And like three months from now, he's just working at American hamburger.
00:41:00
Speaker
Not the deep fryers. Like he's working as a fry chef during the day and then going against necro butcher in the evening. It's just every Thursday night at American Cheeseburger. It's Kota Bushe versus Dilfoy. Oh, I would love to see Kota's striking of Dilfoy. He's cinematic.
00:41:26
Speaker
They should send Christopher Nolan into to tape, you know, record that one. So you brought up something just a minute ago, Chris, that made me want to ask you something about the Ring of Honor paper or taping you saw. So I saw that Matt Tremont and Becca had another fight for like the the independent wrestling title, like whatever the IWTV title is. I haven't gotten to see it yet, but you saw Becca wrestle in Ring of Honor.
00:41:57
Speaker
Indeed. I, I didn't see a ton of it. Uh, Maddie needed to go to the bathroom. Um, but, uh, yeah, Becca worked, uh, was it Layla Hirsch? Okay. Yeah, I think that sounds right. Is she like signed? Is Becca like signed or is this more of like a trudge sample run thing? I don't think, yeah, I think it was just, I think it was just like doing the taping. It was Layla Hirsch. Um,
00:42:21
Speaker
But afterwards, during the ROH taping, they were doing Eli Isom against Josh Woods, and it was not going great. And the guy behind us was just screaming, bring back Becca! We want Becca!
00:42:44
Speaker
And that's how we got Beastman over, too. So yeah, that guy, I was with him. I was like, yeah. Ooh. Becca and Beastman as a tag team. Mm hmm. That would be a hell of a team. And the intergender tournament of a.
00:43:02
Speaker
Oh no, just go like GCW. Just they're going for the normal tag titles, right? Like we don't, I am. Well, especially is AW doesn't have a women's tag titles, right? And they shouldn't, right? They've been hot garbage in WWF most of the time. WWE, sorry. Most of the time. Just, just let there be one tag titles and just, that's where inner gender can happen. That's where, you know, maybe it's for women, maybe it's for men, maybe it's some combination. Just let it happen. Beast man.
00:43:29
Speaker
And, uh, Becca, I feel like GCW also has really developed like an intergender tag team division, right? You got Maki Ito and Nick Gage. You got Delander and Cardona. You got Busey. You got the Kirks. I think you got to add to this. You just add in Becca and Beastman into that mix. Becca and Beastman against Busey. I think we're all in for that, right? Beck Eastman. No.
00:43:55
Speaker
Speaking of, like you named a bunch of people, they've kind of started trickling in the matches for Homecoming, which the last few years have been honestly like very fucking good. Like there's always something like, man, I wish I could be there. And this year so far, there's not been a ton announced that, like it seems like the biggest match right now is Ryder and Delander versus
00:44:24
Speaker
Maki Ito and Gage, which is a pretty big match. Yeah, they've been building that for really since the last homecoming at this point. Right. I mean, so but that one I think is a match again or are we is it just going to be a regular tag match that we don't know? I don't think I think it's got to be a death match. Right. Like especially. So if it is the main event, I think that that's a totally valid main event, even for that show, if it's a death match.
00:44:52
Speaker
But I think it has to be a death match. Otherwise, if I'm just watching Gage in a regular tag match against Zack Ryder, I don't know how good that is. Well, it doesn't make sense for the story unless it's a death match, right? Because they've been playing up to Zack Ryder saying how he'll never do one again and stuff like that. And just from a storytelling standpoint, it kind of has to be. I mean, here's the card for night one of Homecoming, which is the main evening, usually.
00:45:20
Speaker
Rina Yamashita versus Takashi Sasaki. For the deathmatch title. The deathmatch ultraviolet, yeah. Vikingo versus Gringo Loco versus Commander versus Alex Zane versus Ninja Mac versus Ares, which should be a pretty wild six way. Yeah, it's pretty insane. Cardona and SDL against Machi death care. But also seems like kind of a waste of Vikingo. Yeah, it's one of those things that's not
00:45:47
Speaker
Like I can't imagine his pay card is different if you put him in a singles match, right? I think with the six way though, you do have a shot for like a really memorable match with that group though. That's the upside. Big spots, big, big spots, yeah. Sure, but that's just the GCW, like literally I can't remember a single GCW six way ever. I love all of them. I don't remember any of them. I guess the goal would be that one maybe. I don't know, we'll see.
00:46:17
Speaker
I don't know, like all in weekend, they had that big lucha match with like black tourists and everybody. And I, I remember that very fondly, but you're right. Like I don't remember. I don't even remember who else was in it. So, um, Janela and Sawyer wreck against Charles Mason and Paro in a double dog collar match. Okay. Oh, that's another team. That's another team in the intergender tag team division in a GCW, of course, Janela and Sawyer and Leon Slater. Who's connected to who do you think?
00:46:46
Speaker
It has to be. Yeah, by height, by height, you got to think it's Janela and Mason and then Wreck and Pero. Well, and by story, that makes sense. But I feel like they got to do the heel screw job that somehow he rigs it so that it's Pero with Janela. And and then that makes good storytelling because then you have Sawyer Wreck just destroy him. Right. Like his plan backfires because Sawyer Wreck just absolutely levels him. Hopefully.
00:47:15
Speaker
I mean, it seems like a good show. I'm with you, Garrett, that again, I think there's still not a lot of momentum towards any of that other than, again, the Cardona match. I mean, they just announced they're doing Brooklyn again in September, which will be the first one, GCW show I'll be able to get to in a little bit. I mean, it looks like a fun venue last time. The G1 will be over, maybe they get Zack Sabre back or something.
00:47:42
Speaker
Speaking of where you at on the G1, I heard that Ishii versus Eddie was really good. Okay. I have not seen that. That was from today. I haven't gotten to get someone yet, but the G1's kind of been, it's been kind of a weird place. It's been kind of, there's been one match of show, roughly speaking, that's worth seeing. But again, there's just kind of too much filler.
00:48:05
Speaker
And, and I would also add too many dead crowds. Like they finally got back to Tokyo and looked at the show yesterday in Corrigan, which had, um, Sonata against Kiyomiya main eventing was, was good. And the crowd was into it, but there were a couple of shows where the crowd
G1 Climax tournament updates
00:48:20
Speaker
was really just sitting on their hands until like something interesting happened. But, uh, if you're looking for stuff, cause we haven't talked about this since the beginning of the terminal thing. So if anyone's looking for stuff to watch, um,
00:48:34
Speaker
Tai Chi against Osprey from the first night was really, really good. Really interesting structure to that one. Um, and I feel like Osprey always kind of gets the best out of Tai Chi. Um, Shingo against Eddie Kingston, unsurprisingly was a delight. That's just on paper is one I gotta see. Yeah. Um, Tai Chi against Okada. They had a really, really good one against each other. Um, Eddie, uh,
00:49:01
Speaker
Eddie probably against Ishii, I didn't see him there. But Shingo has also wrestled Hanare in a pretty good one. And Ishii in a match that, you know, Shingo and Ishii, you've seen that before and it was, you liked it. So my big question, because this sounds kind of like me just nodding along of like, yeah, but checking the boxes. Like this is what we talked about originally, right? That it seemed like all the best workers were all in one bracket, right? And so the question is, how have the handsome Sonata match has been like,
00:49:31
Speaker
is he looking like a world champ like i know that they're not going to be as good as the okada matches but like is he main eventing like just every show on that side he's main eventing almost all he's been main eventing almost all of them basically him and okada their matches have been last and generally it's sonata going on top
00:49:48
Speaker
Um, what I've seen of those, I have not really been feeling, but he's also been working basically all of the undercard, all of the young guys, right? He's worked against, um, Shooter and Hickeleo and, uh, Suji and it's, they've been fine, but I honestly have not been that excited to see those matches. And I've, I've generally been like flipping a few minutes in, but then.
00:50:11
Speaker
haven't really been catching me, which is kind of curious that they would, but like, right. You'd think that why not? If you want him to dominate, like, why not put the guys that are like mid Carter's, but can like really like he she's a great example. Like we all know he she's not going to win the whole thing, but he'll have a fucking load of bangers.
00:50:32
Speaker
Right. The whole booking of that group with all the young guys has been really weird. Um, the main three musketeers ones that they were guys, they're calling them musketeers have done draws with each other shooter and Narita. And then Narita in Suji went to 20 minute draws, which were both okay. Not great. Um, I guess the point they're seemingly establishing is parody that neither none of these guys are a cut above yet, but
00:51:01
Speaker
I don't know, I have not really been feeling the booking there. It doesn't really feel like it's doing those guys a lot of favors in terms of elevating them. I think it would have been more beneficial if they were going out there beating, you know, even if it was, you know, Tongoloa and Chase Owens or whoever, but I don't know. So I kind of feel like my take on the G1 in terms of like, should you watch like what, if you haven't been watching is,
00:51:29
Speaker
If you look at the past cards and you go, that match looks like something I'd be interested in, watch it. Cause generally the matches that I've been excited for have, have delivered. Um, but otherwise I'm a little bit like just kind of wait for the quarterfinals.
00:51:42
Speaker
You know, or the last block night, only like a week or so from now. I think I'm probably going to use the same strategy because I haven't been keeping up with it at all. So I'm going to probably use the same strategy. I think I used last year or maybe it was two years ago that I think works, which is I'm going to jump in at the quarterfinals. I'm not going to worry about getting spoiled on anything because even if you know the final points in the standings,
00:52:05
Speaker
Like that doesn't really change anything because like any given match, like everyone wins at least one, everyone loses at least one. Right. So it's like I kind of like can just watch like Shingo and Eddie Kingston. It's like, well, it doesn't really matter who goes over like it's. And I'm not going to be able to guess who goes over because I'm not going to do that much math in my head. So unless somebody is literally undefeated going into the last night, which can sometimes happen. And that's like a big thing that they cover. Like that's the only thing that's going to actually spoil me because I'm not going to watch every match of anybody.
00:52:35
Speaker
Right. Yeah, I was trying to do it with Eddie, but I kind of tapped out when he wrestled evil. Yeah, I will not be checking that one out. It's okay, guys, don't. The one other thing I'll say, I don't know if he's still recovering. He had a knee injury, man. Tonga Loa in his last G1, everyone was like, hey, Tonga Loa is not bad. He's pretty good.
00:52:59
Speaker
not been good this one. So I think for some of these guys, the rating scale should be as someone who's had surgery on their colon is I'd have to rate them on how unpleasant my shitting experience was timeframe after the surgery. So like Tongoloa is like a month after where it's just big painful loads, whereas Evil
00:53:23
Speaker
Evil is like two days after where it's just constant diarrhea and I have to be on an IV so I don't get dehydrated and I'm quietly praying for death. Right. Yeah, pretty much. That sounds about right. Are you been shitting facts? Yeah, it's it's better getting better every day, you know, getting some of the fiber now. I keep going a little overboard with the fiber, but it's not causing any pain.
00:53:54
Speaker
Uh, in real time while it's digesting, but there's definitely, uh, you can tell, you can tell the next day. I'll just say that. Um, so I, okay. Over the weekend while you guys were watching hours of wrestling in New Jersey, I was in pigeon forged Tennessee, uh, doing dumb shit. And, uh, how, okay.
00:54:20
Speaker
When you pass a stranger and they're wearing a wrestling shirt, how often do you react to that shirt to somebody? Like, not to that person, usually to someone I'm with, right? Like, that's what I do. But you don't like... Like, do you have it in you that, like, if you see an NWO shirt, you kind of want to twosweet somebody in public because you both know a thing?
00:54:42
Speaker
Especially during 2018, 2019, I feel like the people in bullet club shirts, you just kind of, you throw up the too sweet to each other. If you're in a coffee shop, you're just like too sweet. That's gotten away. That's another thing AEW kind of killed, right? Because that was even like Dalton Castle, any of those top, top indie guys, because that was kind of like, oh, we're in members of the same club.
00:55:07
Speaker
You know, whereas if you see somebody on the street wearing like, I don't know, a fucking Seth Rollins shirt, you're just like, oh, God. Well, I had an embarrassing moment at Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville. So are it all moments of Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville embarrassing?
00:55:30
Speaker
I stepped on a pop top and blew up my flip flop. No, I passed a guy wearing an NWO shirt and I still have that in me. I miss the Bullet Club times where you could pass a stranger on the street and you know that person knows too sweet. It is really 50-50 with NWO shit now. You never know. And the problem was,
00:55:57
Speaker
I had just come from Barbie, so I was wearing a Barbie shirt at Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville, pass a guy, a very Southern man in a NWO tank top, go to throw up a too sweet, fucking denied, horrible feeling. I got fucking burnt at Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville. But who is this guy, right? Because even if there's someone who literally hasn't watched wrestling since 2000, right?
00:56:28
Speaker
wouldn't you still have that vibe? Because back in the 90s, we were two sweet and people in NWO shirts. There's no point in history that it wasn't the thing you did to somebody in an NWO shirt, right? I think he didn't want to touch the guy in the Barbie shirt. Yeah. It is Tennessee. Yeah. But at Dollywood, I saw a little boy with the most beautiful fucking Kenny Omega looking mullet.
00:56:54
Speaker
And he had on a very cool LA night shirt. Was it Brian Pillman Jr.?
00:57:07
Speaker
recently released from his contract, hanging out at Dollywood. The shirt looked like an old school, like 90s Scott Hall shirt, but for LA night. Like I had not seen like these 90s looking WWE shirts. And I told that little boy, nice shirt, man. And he said, thanks. And as I walked away, I heard his dad say, that guy told you you had a nice shirt. And that kid made me feel better.
00:57:37
Speaker
In a creepy way, or was dad like, see, I told you you should wear the wrestling shirt so we could talk about wrestling with everyone. He did. The dad seemed more excited that I complimented the little boy's shirt and he's like the little boy did. He's like, I got him. He dressed my kid good. I wonder if they get a boys club discount for the movie that they were going to see after.
00:58:02
Speaker
I'll tell you, they weren't seeing Barbie. They're going to goddamn Oppenheimer. Speaking of Barbie, minor spoilers. I did see both. I did the Barbenheimer double. And there is a pro wrestler in Barbie. Who's that? I don't know if you've seen. There is a cameo, a surprise cameo. Do you mind if I spoil this? It's due second to the movie. Yeah, you can spoil it. Spoil away. John Cena's a merman.
00:58:30
Speaker
Okay. Amazing. He shows up as a merman with beautiful hair. I think he's drinking a beer and he is with a mermaid do a leap. All right. John Cena.
00:58:43
Speaker
It's a great movie and it was nice to see John Cena just he's down to do stuff. The way Kenny Omega is down to get fucked up in a deathmatch, John Cena will show up and be in the Barbie movie as a merman. And that's funny because now everyone by this point knows that Oppenheimer, Samoa Joe plays one of the scientists.
00:59:03
Speaker
And he's just wearing the Samoa Joe trunks and no shirt and just which is the white scientist coat thing, whatever those are called smock over it. Do you think I was the guy in the N.W.O. shirt was had it was sad. He wouldn't choose because he'd given up on wrestling when he heard that John Cena was a merman now. He was just his heart was broken.
00:59:28
Speaker
It's like these Barbie boys like wrestling now and it's not cool and I'm wearing the shirt the day that this happened. Yeah. Sucks. They don't deal with that shit in Pigeon Forge. It also strikes me, Garrett, so when you got denied the two suite, there's a simple answer that I'm curious. Did you give yourself a self high five?
00:59:53
Speaker
I kicked him in the dick, and I gave him Mr. Ass's finisher. That's the right answer. Because
Mr. Ass considers retirement
01:00:00
Speaker
I was sad about Mr. Ass made me cry this week, guys. Yeah. Has he thought about retiring? Did he not actually retire? Well, I don't know. I haven't seen the comments after. I mean, he did it in the middle of a TV show. I mean, it kind of felt like. And he was crying. He's got a hacker. I had to explain to Mattie why the man was taking his boots off.
01:00:23
Speaker
It means it means it doesn't work anymore. I didn't cry. I did not cry during Mr. Ass taking his boots off. It just took a really long time. It really did. He he but it didn't seem like he wasn't good at it. It just seems like, yeah, I'm taking off wrestling boots far harder than I ever thought it was. It's also interesting to people watching. It's true. It's also interesting to explain to a child that these other men called this other guy daddy.
01:00:50
Speaker
Daddy. Yes. Like what I am. I just want to. He's their daddy. Don't think too hard about that. She gets the scissoring thing. That's very intuitive. That's clear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll see. We'll find out. We'll find out with what they're where they're going with that. And we've got to watch. We do have to watch the show next week because I was explaining during. So the FTR came out and she knows, oh, daddy likes FTR, you know, took a picture with them.
01:01:18
Speaker
And she's like, are they wrestling? And I was like, no, they're talking about the match. They're going to have next week. Yeah. And she's like, Oh, we should watch next week then. And I was like, yes, we should. Can we, can we go next week? And I was like, unfortunately that's in Connecticut, sweetheart. That's a little, we can watch on TV. By the way, I already got what's, what else is happening at collision this week is they are going to follow up on daddy. It's actually ingenious storytelling. He takes the, he takes the laces out and Newark kind of puts him in the middle of the ring.
01:01:49
Speaker
And then where does he go? To Bhutan, where his new story begins. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Maybe he runs into Beastman, Jimmy Lloyd. He's like, I'm starting at the bottom. My new story starts in this elf's lodge. Tickets for $5 come here Saturday night. He's playing- Good job in the Beastman, but- And then he plays a game of D&D onslaught with me in the game store afterwards in Bhutan.
01:02:19
Speaker
Highlander games. Check it out online. So we really breeze by. You said you went to state. The state tournament for one of the games I play. Yeah. Do you have a state championship? No, I I didn't win. I came I came pretty close. I made I made the top eight in the state after my showing in New York State was not good, but no.
01:02:47
Speaker
But I'm gearing up for nationals. They're coming. I won't be on the show next week because I'm going to Gen Con, the gaming nerd paradise. And I'll be there. Where the fuck's that at? It's in Indianapolis. And you're going to Indianapolis for a board game convention. Well, it's board and role playing games. Is Hamfest happening at the same weekend? Yeah.
01:03:14
Speaker
Is this in the bloodshed? Like where are you? Where's it? It's in the football stadium and the convention. It's literally the biggest thing that Indianapolis is known for. Like it draws more people than anything in Indianapolis every year. Like, like there's hundreds of thousands of people that go to each day of this. You're lying.
01:03:37
Speaker
You're lying. You're going to see the reader comments that everybody knows. Like Gen Con is the Super Bowl of gaming. Okay. Yeah. We believe you facts. Yeah. I'm sorry that I called you a liar. I should believe my friend and I shouldn't like, you know, I do what you got to do. Yeah. Yeah. Is Scott Porter going to be there and are you going to defeat him?
01:04:01
Speaker
Uh, no, he doesn't do the big actual kind of formal tournaments. Like he does like the charity things. It's too commercial for him. I think who's going to be the most famous person in that building to you. Is there like a board game player that you're like fucking Scuds McGee, the fucking monopoly man of the South.
01:04:22
Speaker
No, because honestly, like most of the games I play a lot, the communities are pretty small that I know all the top players in the world. And like I even know the game designers and some of them. So yeah, I mean, the only thing would be like.
01:04:37
Speaker
I mean, obviously the biggest when he was still alive was Gary Gygax, right? The guy that invented Dungeons and Dragons. I think maybe Richard Garfield, I don't know if he's still alive. He's the guy that invented a bunch of games, including Magic the Gathering. Probably, I think Magic the Gathering is the biggest game in the world, I think. Is there a common way that famous board game people die? Like, is there like a? Auto-erotic asphyxiation.
01:05:05
Speaker
that was what yeah that's what i was wondering mostly in indianapolis after after they got recognized so much that it was just i don't know facts i'm pretty sure i i don't know i've i've never seen these guys who uh who run the board games but i'm pretty sure the biggest game in the world is still triple h yeah that's fair stuff was fair he's built he's built
01:05:31
Speaker
So I spit water in these people's faces. I mean, he can remind them all that they should go out and see some daylight because it's not all about the game, but how you play it. And yeah, it looks like Richard Garfield, by the way, is still alive. All right. Good. So I don't know if he does. Wow. And he's releasing small games still.
01:05:57
Speaker
Kind of weird. I would thought he'd be very rich and wouldn't need to do that anymore, but I guess those bastards at Hasbro squeezed them out of it. Or he does it for the love, you know? Love of... Autorotic asphyxiation. That's what you call a real self high five. Where's that hot chick from Clute?
01:06:24
Speaker
Uh, I will say I did a dark, I love dark side of the ring, but I don't like the one a week thing. So I feel like at some point I ended up just binging, um, like several in a row. And I watched two in a row last week, um, that we're just all about Coke.
01:06:48
Speaker
Those are the fun ones, right? There was. Yeah. Well, so the junkyard dog one, the junkyard dog one is like barely a story. It's like meteor guys, then just so much drugs, just lots and lots of drugs like Sweet Lord, like even Jake Roberts is like this guy. This guy like drugs a lot.
01:07:17
Speaker
But then they finally released the one on one of my like favorite wrestlers, Adrian Adonis, which first of all,
01:07:27
Speaker
There was a story in there that I had never heard before. So, uh, do you mind if I spoil this for you guys? They talk about this at the very, very beginning of the episode. So, uh, I think it's well known, right? That Adrian Adonis dies in a car wreck in Canada. Well, because someone swerved to avoid a moose is a real story. That is, that's true. When I talked about this a few episodes ago, apparently when the ring crew drove past and found that like there were
01:07:55
Speaker
I found that this had happened. Apparently some of the like, like undercard wrestlers stole his cash and watch. And then Adrian's wife had them prosecuted good, good for her. Cause fuck them.
01:08:13
Speaker
Yeah. As wild. Was he even dead yet or was he like in urgent need of medical attention? They're like, eh, in a second, in a second, like rifling through his pockets. It appears he was dead. He was already dead by that point. They died. They seemed like they died pretty quickly. You die quick in Canada. Exactly. You die quicker in Canada. Yeah.
01:08:36
Speaker
The one thing I took away from the Adrian thing, because they're talking about the big story, you know, the obvious story about Adrian Adonis's career is that over the course of his WWF friend, he gains a lot of weight, right? He goes from being a somewhat bigger guy to a gigantic man. Yeah. But also a blimp levy, if you will, a blimp levy ask man. Yes. Um, he was also much like the junkyard dog doing insane amounts of coke.
01:09:04
Speaker
And they try to explain this. They're like, yeah, you know, when you do Coke, you're like up for a while and then you like binge on some food and you know, and that's how he gained his weight. No, but no, that's not how Coke works for normal people. So the idea that he was, how much was he like the amount? So how much Coke was he doing to get fired from the WWF in the eighties? That's a lot of Coke.
01:09:26
Speaker
But secondly, how much was he eating to be doing enough coke to get fired from the WWF in the 80s and gaining weight while doing it? I feel like the glove box of his car was like the drawer Brendan Fraser has in the whale. It's just full-size butterfingers and stuff that he's just eating because he hates himself and he wants to die. It turns out you were actually watching an R.D. Lang documentary and not...
01:09:56
Speaker
Isn't that what the whale is? It's a good one. There's some good stories in there. Brett Hart tells some crazy stories about times with Adrian. I do wish Roddy Piper were still around because one of the things I always remember is apparently like they were really good friends. And there's like Piper had a podcast for a little bit like 15 years ago. And he tells this story like deeply emotional like in that Piper way where it sounds like he's almost crying as he's telling it. He's like,
01:10:25
Speaker
Adrian told me, you got to get a home, Roddy. You got to get a home. And that's like I went and paper Piper just like went and bought a house because he like needed to have a home and a place to go. By the way, you have a, you have kind of a low key, really good Piper. Oh, really quite. Yeah, he's not wrong. That was quite good. I, we've done a lot of these and you're pretty solid. I did my best there.
01:10:50
Speaker
Um, the other fun thing I like, so Adrian Don is from Buffalo, right? And they tell some stories about him growing up and home of American cheeseburger, home of American cheeseburger. No, Rochester, Rochester. Damn it. Damn. It's the same. It's the same. It's basically the same though. Um, but they taught the, they have a friend from his childhood telling stories about Adrian growing up and how Adrian was always kind of the tough guy and you know, and then
01:11:14
Speaker
without explaining too much more. He's like, the guy's like, Oh, if anyone ever owed me money, you know, like Adrian and take care of or whatever. And then like casually, they go back to this guy. He's like, Oh, and I couldn't go to Adrian's funeral. You know, cause I was in a federal prison in Texas. Did they have anything nice to say about the bear wrangler?
01:11:38
Speaker
Uh, no, no, no one had anything nice to say about the, he sounded like a decent guy, but they also tell some stories about the bear Wrangler. Things were kind of going off the rails. Oh, he was a, he was a really good payoff guy. If you worked for the bear Wrangler, he, there was good salaries involved, but a bear might murder you. So, you know, I mean, cocaine, cocaine bear was based on a real story. So maybe this guy had something to do with it.
01:12:06
Speaker
So was Pope's Exorcist. That's true as we found out. Yeah, Dark Side of the Ring, I'm sure I'll watch them all. I don't watch them in order. I kind of just watch them whenever. I don't find them as essential viewing. I'm sure I'll watch them all eventually.
01:12:22
Speaker
But it sounds like I've heard from multiple places. The Adonis one was really good. So that's probably the next one I'll check out. And Bret Hart, do some good star power. Usually when you get good star power, it has good stories and stuff like that. So that does mean that if the next season they can get Bobby D to do the Jimmy Lloyd one, it'll be the best episode ever. That's true. Yeah. That little boy, the little boy is doing a lot of cocaine.
01:12:54
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. Am I surprised at where he ended up? A little bit, a little bit. Um, the one thing I'll say, I went back and watched a bunch of Adrian match is kind of inspired by the tape. So the one, the match I'll recommend if, well, two things I'll recommend first, if you've never seen the cage match.
01:13:16
Speaker
Him and Savage against Tito Santana, Bruno Sammartino from MSG. That is a super fun, like 80s cage match. Like they're really going at it. And actually what I was watching had a great promo with the two of them where, um,
01:13:32
Speaker
uh, Adrian in, in his full adorable garb is like, Elizabeth, I'm so jealous of your makeup. And Savage immediately cuts into like jealousy, jealousy, Hulk Hogan. And I'm like, Oh, Savage is so good. Like he just turns weird thing. The other one I'll recommend the facts night. So facts and I on our old show, the best there ever was did an episode about
01:13:54
Speaker
Roddy Piper against Adrian Adonis from WrestleMania three with the nobodies, um, from nobodies watching wrestling, which is just a fascinating thing. Cause talking about gender politics and wrestling with people really focused and thoughtful on it was actually, I think it's one of our gender of like the early eighties and modern, right? Um, yeah. Um, so.
01:14:17
Speaker
I tended to over-recommend stuff from our archives, but that's a good one. And kind of the unsung hero of WrestleMania 3, right? Because it's the match that people don't really remember on that card. There's a lot of matches people don't remember that card, and they're okay to forget. That one's not. That is a nice culmination of a good story.
01:14:39
Speaker
And it's how Brutus the barber gets his Clippers, right? It's true. Yeah. Yeah. That's the beginning of the beefcake. He's just Brutus beefcake before that. That's where he becomes the barber. It's like that was. Yeah, that's that episode's kind of like a Star Wars prequel where it's like, do you want to find out how Han Solo got those dice in his mirror and watch this? Also, did you guys see Hulk Hogan got engaged?
01:15:06
Speaker
Oh, I saw you were in. On a beach. But it was during someone else's wedding, right? No, actually, I hadn't seen that. No, no, that's actually true. Oh, I didn't actually read the article, but apparently Hulk Hogan got engaged at a wedding reception for someone else. Hulksters got a pose in the end, brother. He's like.
01:15:34
Speaker
speak now or forever. Hold your piece, brother. I'm sorry. Can you just hold on? I got to say one thing. I'm sitting here looking at you. You look so beautiful and knobs like thank you. And he's like, now you knobs, but you look beautiful too. Speaking of did, I don't know if Brian knobs comes in and goes, wait, did anyone order the clams? Clams.
01:16:01
Speaker
And I'm looking this is this is in newspapers people magazine CBS Sports New York Post all of articles It was at his now fiance's best friends
Brian Knobs' infamous photo discussion
01:16:12
Speaker
wedding. Well, it was announced Yeah hooks always got up stage somebody
01:16:21
Speaker
Did we talk about that a friend of the show, Lowell, sent me a picture of Brian knobs as butthole and I've never been able to unsee this goddamn thing. It's a famous picture. Have you seen it? Well, Joey Janelle has seen it.
01:16:40
Speaker
I mean, facts, have you seen this? I don't think so. I have a feeling I'm about to, but I'm going to send this to the group chat right quick so that what's funny is I don't know how far back into my phone. I have to go to find this picture of a butthole and it's just going to be in the middle of a bunch of pictures of my baby.
iPhone facial recognition humor
01:17:01
Speaker
I hope you have like, uh, something that like backs up all the pictures on your phone so that that way, like years from now, when you're looking at like, uh, first year of Ozzy pictures, you'll run into that one. Is that Ozzy's butthole? No, no, no, no. I could fit in this thing.
01:17:21
Speaker
All right. We may have to do this next week. It's going to do that. That weird thing with like iPhone where like it'll try to put pictures of people whose faces it recognize together and sometimes it gets one off and it's going to put like all your pictures of me and Chris and then just going to have the butthole picture there. Oh, oh, here's my question. Who do you think the best man is? And is it knobs? Is it no fun? No, no, no. It's beefcake. Maybe it's beef. It's it's it's Nick.
Wedding best man speculation and humor
01:17:51
Speaker
Um, I think it's going to, who's, I think it's going to be Conrad. Cause then he'll get Conrad to promote it and somehow and take money out of it. It's, it's definitely not knobs because he's got to keep that alpha edge. You can't admit that he's your friend. Beefcake's always a possibility. I have a feeling he's going to have heat with Nick by then. Um, so I don't, I don't think any member of the Belaya family can be trusted.
01:18:17
Speaker
You know, I think if you're right, it's Conrad and the night before the wedding Hulk main events against Ric Flair.
Wedding crashing humor
01:18:24
Speaker
It would be great if it was AJ Delario from Gawker. You got me here, brother.
01:18:41
Speaker
I don't even care how much the ex-wife took after you forgot that lawsuit money from your brother. You know, as long as Florida man gets invited to the wedding, that's all I want for everyone.
01:18:55
Speaker
Yeah, we gotta crash this wedding, because it's definitely at his restaurant, and he's definitely not closing it, right? There's no way he's gonna turn down a day of revenue for his own wedding.
Best man package jokes
01:19:08
Speaker
So, I think we can probably make this happen. Yeah, I bet for 50 bucks ahead, it's all inclusive, all you can drink, all the Clams Casino you can eat, and everyone gets to dance with Brian Noves.
01:19:24
Speaker
Well, that's the thing is Uber has to. It's we, we will be three of about a hundred people that will buy the best man package and then we will all be co-best man. And we get to give like one minute speech each. Um, and my speech is just a recitation of, of macho man, Randy Savage's lust in your eyes promo.
01:19:46
Speaker
And and I just play like John Cusack and say anything only with the man playing.
Reaction to forbidden picture
01:19:56
Speaker
All right. I'm clicking on this. Oh, Google, Google Save Search is telling me not to look at it. Oh, yep, there it is.
01:20:09
Speaker
So he that's a more recent picture than I would have thought. I thought it was going to be something like from like this late 70s or something like that. But how can you tell that it's not the quality? I think it is. Yeah, the picture looks kind of quality and like I don't know. Knobs doesn't age really. So I guess that's hard to say. But yeah, he's got that really wide open.
01:20:41
Speaker
It's awful. This is the worst thing I've ever seen. And like I've seen a man beheaded on the internet. Like this left that I don't think about as often as I think of this now.
Upcoming events and Gen Con trip
01:20:58
Speaker
Eh.
01:21:02
Speaker
All right, everybody. Thanks for listening. Uh, next week facts will be gone. He'll be in, in Indianapolis. We'll come back. And by the way, since many of you will probably be there since it is so big and famous and these are the only two that haven't hit me a line, Jimmy facts or Jimmy Lloyd's IMDP page. Uh, I'll meet up with you at Gen Con.
01:21:25
Speaker
Chris and I'll be here talking about pro wrestling, unfortunately. Probably talking about buttholes, let's be honest. Buttholes or penis holes? Big fan of holes on this show. Indeed.
Social media plugs and Twitter dissatisfaction
01:21:40
Speaker
All right, guys. Thanks for listening. At pre-determined podcasts on Instagram, at Gartet, at Chris Miggs, at Jimmy Fax. On threads!
01:21:52
Speaker
Yeah, get our get our get on threads. We're we're dropping hot threads, are we? So I'm dropping hot. I dropped dropping threads. Yeah, I dropped. I dropped some threads. We'll drop some threads. Do you might legally have to drop threads? No, I don't legally need to drop threads, but I hate Twitter. I just hate Twitter. So X now facts. I just want. No, the company is called X. The service is still Twitter. I'm very sensitive about that. But yeah, like
01:22:23
Speaker
I hate Twitter, so I just really want threads to become a thing so that we don't have to deal with Twitter anymore.
Twitter's future and wrestling impact speculation
01:22:30
Speaker
It did just strike me that inevitably Twitter is going to call something ultimate X and impact is going to win a lawsuit and they're going to be funded. The resurgence of impact is going to be funded by Elon Musk.
01:22:48
Speaker
Or, or XPW and just somehow more in a world that three years from now, Rob Black's the richest man on earth. And the wrestling will be sweet. Cause you know what people love more than electric cars is porn and cheeseburgers and pro wrestling. America, my friends. All right. In our goddamn music.