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S1 E40 Rogers is here to stay
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On today's episode Joe and Nyla discuss the news of Morgan Rogers signing a new contract until 2030 as well as what the future of the Villa squad may look like with some of the youth academy prospects.
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Sports Podcast Network.
Introduction to Wild Card Wednesday
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Hi everyone and welcome to today's episode of the Daily Villa podcast as part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. My name is Nyla and I'm thrilled to be joined by Joe to bring you today's Wild Card Wednesday.
Morgan Rogers and Villa's Future
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This episode of Daily Villa, we'll talk about Morgan Rogers' new contract and our loaned out players and how that plays a role and in the future of Villa. How are you, Joe?
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I'm very well, Niall, I'm very looking forward to talking about some big news coming out of a Villa in the past couple of days and yeah, he really excited to get into it. Yeah, it's, it's been a bit cold recently, which is kind of fitting considering this person's goal celebration. Um, so yeah, that's, it's fantastic news. Morgan Rogers has signed a new contract with the club to 2030, um, which I think is fantastic. He currently has three goals and three assists this season. And he's just made his senior England debut against Greece last week. So what do you think of this new contract and in deal, Joe?
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Yeah, I think it's a ah really big statement from the club. I think it's very similar to the the John Durand contract renewal. it It kind of shows the intent of the club and how these are key young players that we're not kind of looking to ah to to lose. I think in the past, you know, we've been ah a bit of a feeder club for the big six and I think it's a real statement of intent with such a long-term contract that we we're kind of not looking to to shift any of these players anytime soon. So I think, you know, we we all know the the talent that Morgan Rogers has and how kind of vitally is in the way Emory plays football brought in from the championship and with kind of questions asked not just from Villa fans but from kind of national media outlets all asking kind of where does Rogers fit in he kind of came in ah with ah a big price tag for for such a young kind of unproven at the time player
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And he's flotted in really well and he's kind of excelled under Unai Emery and now obviously the the England debut against Greece is just a kind of a kind of marker as to where he is in his development. So I think he's a real kind of case study of how Unai Emery develops players and it's it's great that we're now going to have him for ah hopefully the the kind of duration of his these new contract. What were your thoughts, Nyla?
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Yeah, I completely agree. I mean, what a time to be Morgan Rogers. All of this success, you know, his his work hard work is finally paying off and and he's seeing the benefits and and collecting all the accolades now. And I think in terms of the timing on Villa's part, it's fantastic to be able to identify this player from a championship club, bring them in, see him excel, and to continue on that so early on in his career, only just reinforces that you know the long-term development of Villa and their future for the club in terms of their vision so I think as a fan that's super exciting as Morgan Rogers I couldn't imagine what he's feeling now but um like you said it's just a testament towards Emery's plan um of course the their scouting team and
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and that kind of thing as well, good on them to to identify him because i I'm not sure if, you know, middle of the table championship is where you typically go to find players, but, you know, it's it's worked out in this case and he's finally getting that national recognition, I think.
Rogers' Role in Villa's Plans
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So seeing him get his his first cap was was great as well.
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um It's also been good to see that Villa has full faith in his potential to grow in terms of his individual development and also the squad depth for Villa's midfielders. How do you see this play out for Villa in the long run? Do you think it's he'll become a player that Villa looks to build around as like ah a key role? What are your thoughts there?
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Yeah, I think he's definitely ah a kind of figure that we should be looking to build around. I think there's a few in that squad. I think a lot of the younger kind of players, ah their their kind of long-term potential is is huge and they're definitely kind of players that we should be looking to build our long-term future around. I think Morgan Rogers is very much, as I said earlier, kind of ah like ah a mark of that. I think he's he's such a talented young player and his potential is kind of sky high. So I think it'd almost be kind of it would be foolish not to use those young players, especially with him being a ah local lad. I think that plays into it kind of massively. He knows the club and he knows the kind of ah the pressures of of playing for Aston Villa. And I think, you know, it's it's handy to have players that kind of understand the club and the area and and the fan base and and those kind of off-field components. So hopefully he will be somebody that kind of sticks around for for many years to come and cement himself in kind of
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Villa legacy, whether that's with Unai and Rias, I'm sure we all hope it is, or whether it's with a different manager further down the line. I think his talent suits modern football very, very well in terms of being able to play as that attack him in field or on the kind of left hand side, predominantly of a front three. So I think there's Definitely, there's potential and there's a lot more to see from him, especially end product, which is something we've spoken about before. Him maybe developing that kind of area of his game and kind of matching his great performances with goals and assists on the stat sheets. But I think for such a young player, he's done phenomenally well and I'm very excited personally to see kind of where his development as an Aston Villa player goes. Don't know what your thoughts are.
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Yeah, I completely agree. I think one of his main strengths I see is ability to to ball carry. I think in terms of Villa's midfielders before he has come in, we didn't necessarily have like a true ball carrier the way that Morgan Rogers does it. So I think that's why he was able to just kind of slot into that core right down the middle of the team. And and he's done so well there.
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um and and just building on that in terms of squad depth depth for the future i think like i said we've secured a ball carrier now we can kind of fill whatever other missing spots that we that we find um there and even as you said maybe outside not just as a midfielder maybe we'll see him more up top maybe on the wings i think he's versatile enough to fill some roles if we need him to. But I think he's really found and secured that spot centrally. um And I think he he poses a lot of of problems for other teams. So it'll be interesting to see how creative Villa can get in the future where now he's one to watch for other teams. He's he's a key player. So when they try to shut him down, how creative can Villa get where he can pose a problem in and in another
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away for these teams?
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I think with Morgan Rogers, it's it's exactly as you said there, he's he's a very versatile player. I think there's very, there's many elements to his game. You know, you mentioned his ball carrying ability, which is what we kind of known for being able to pick the ball up and take it past three or four players before then ah playing the ball into whether it's Watkins or Duran or or having a shot on on goal.
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I think he does have a lot of other qualities. I think his playmaking, as I mentioned there, is is something that's potentially slightly underrated. I know I mentioned his final ball isn't always perfect, but you can see that his kind of his ideas and his he kind of um IQ, I suppose, are really strong for for such a young player. He's always trying to do the right thing, which I think is quite promising. I think in terms of looking at the the depth of midfielders, I think he's kind of he offers something that we don't have and that is is really difficult to find, I think, especially in the Premier League, in terms of somebody who will pick the ball up and drive it at defences. And I think that's a kind of unique skill that
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that is very expensive in the market. And you know you don't want to draw comparisons to to players like Jack Grealish, but you see similarities in the game and how they'll pick the ball up and kind of run at people. And it does strike fear into the fences and it does create you know opportunities that kind of something out of nothing opportunities, which are invaluable, especially for the teams that are kind of chasing those those top few spots. So he's come in and he's cemented is his kind of self in a in a team that are looking for Champions League football and I think it's very exciting for Villa in the long run um to have a player of of that quality. Yeah absolutely and I think he's been able to come in and connect very well especially with Ollie Watkins. um When those two are on their game together it's an absolute nightmare for opponents so um I think you know I'd love to see how that will develop going forward as well.
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Villa's 2030 Squad Speculations
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welcome back. So we've just touched on Morgan Rogers contract with a Villa, which will go until 2030, which had me thinking, what will the Aston Villa squad look like in six years in 2030? It's a really interesting question. it It is quite a fun one. I think, you know, you look through the kind of the, uh, the academy and, and, and kind of the younger players within the squad, um, and try and see where they're going to end up in, in, yeah I mean, 2030 feels like.
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ages away. But as you mentioned there, it's only actually six years into the future. So um yeah, I think you kind of look at the the work that's been done in the Villa Academy. I think Mark Harrison's done a fantastic job. There's obviously the kind of the trend of us poaching a lot of um young talent from West Brom, which is kind of they're still in and around the like the kind of Youth Academy. We've also got some players out on loan, which I know we'll touch on later. But there's some real talent out on loan. I think the headline are probably being Louis Barry, who's set the world a light for Stockport and done really well there. And you add that to players that are already in the squad, you know, your Morgan Rogers, your Filla Jeans, if they are sticking around. There's some real kind of quality in a younger kind of rank. So you'd like to think that they'll all still be in and around the club and the squad.
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in six years time especially if they are deemed to be of that quality but obviously you'll have incomings and things so it's a it'll be really exciting and hopefully you know who knows who will be in charge in six years time um a villa and and what their squad will look like but there's definitely some uh some some rising talents from those those kind of academy ranks that i think will be uh really exciting and in six years time Yeah, absolutely. I think I would love to see some of the the younger players you've just mentioned stick around in the squad. I think in terms of um the brand, Aston Villa, the brand, I think it's always, always very good for clubs and even just and any other sports organization. So when you have core players that have been, they've either come to the academy, they've been a part of the first team for years, I think that's
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adds to the community um and for spectators, for fans, um for the other players. So I think that's something that can really be a strength for Villa. Once you have, you know, for example, like Martina, as he's come in, he's expressed over and over how, you know, Villa's his home. um And I think that really just draws even new fans in. So i I'd like to see that um hopefully those younger players who who do all do stick around.
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But as you mentioned, we've got quite a few players out on loan. I think nearly over 40 million pounds worth of players out on loan, which to me is insane. It's insane amount. So just to mention, like we have a few in the championship. So Kane, Kessler Hayden, Rico Richards, Louis Berry, all out there. And then we've got Alex Moreno.
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who's doing quite well at Nottingham Forest, he's getting the minutes there. Do you see any movements happening with them in the near future? Is that something that maybe will just you know end of contract, they'll just fizzle out? What are your but do you envision happening there? Yeah, so I think there's there's a few really interesting players that you mentioned there that are kind of out on load.
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We're ah quite lucky in the sense that a lot of our lone players are doing really, really well at the the clubs they're being loaned out to. As you mentioned, Moreno's done really well at Forest. I think due to his age and also the depth we have at left back now with Mattson and and Luca Dean, I can't really see a way for him to kind of get back into the into the squad. But you'd like to think in the summer if we if we make our money back or even profit on a ah deal for for Alex Moreno potentially to forest or I know there were some other suitors in Spain that were were kind of interested in him. So, you know, if you make your money back or profit on that, then it's a ah good deal all round. I think it's it's it helps us with our kind of ah with our FFP regulations, which have been well documented how kind of our profit and sustainability is as
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not been out necessarily have strong suit in previous windows. So that's always was going to be a help. Kane Kasler Hayden, who I think is at Preston doing relatively well there. I think it's difficult for him because I think he's very talented player. I don't know if he's necessarily up to the the standard and the quality of a, of what we would kind of need out of him, especially if he was going to try and break into that first team, which is a real shame because I think he's in a position that We arguably have the least amount of kind of depth of quality in, which is that right back role. But I just don't know whether he's going to necessarily fill that gap with the the quality that we we require. So whether it is another loan move next summer or whether, again, we look to cash in and and profit on him, which, again, is only going to help the the financials, I think that would be really interesting. With Louis Barry, I think it's a ah really interesting one because I think what he needs now, potentially even in January,
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is that that championship loads just to see where his his kind of standard is as a bit of a litmus test for him to see what level of quality is because he's absolutely ripping it up for Stockport at the moment he's scoring some amazing goals and he's making headlines so I think it's going to be interesting to see if he can replicate that at a higher level in that kind of EFL pyramid because it's clear that he has a whole lot of talent and I think if he can replicate ah replicate that at championship level then again there's going to be plenty of suitors kind of going in for him so if if Emory deems him to that quality then we we could very well see him in and around the ah the first team and then Rico Richards is another one coming from obviously the the West Brom Academy I mentioned a big influence was Mark Harrison coming in bringing in a lot of those kind of West Brom youth talents with him and and he's done really well as well so far so
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I think it'll be interesting to see, especially with those young players, um how likely they are to make the step up. But yeah, I think it's it's exciting times in terms of the youth prospects that we have at the club. And I think there's still more coming through and and their development is going to be really interesting to watch for sure.
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Absolutely. and And with the youth prospects, that also brings up the maybe more experienced prospects.
Coutinho's Departure and Budget Concerns
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Is Coutinho ever coming back, do we think? I can't see a way for Coutinho to come back into the squad. I think the main thing is wages and also I think the change in culture around Villa obviously came in, I believe with Gerrard and it was obviously the Liverpool links there and then playing together and came in on a huge wage.
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It looked exciting at the start, but he ultimately failed to deliver consistently enough. And I think it was actually quite difficult to ah ship him off somewhere in a in the window. So I think, you know, I can't see him ever. I think his villa career is over now. I'm not sure.
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How do you feel about that? But I think wages alone. Of course. and And we know that Robin Olsen's contract will be up in the summer as well. So potentially that will open things up in terms of Villa's budget. um But hopefully, like you said, we can manage and stay within those profit and sustainability rules so that that won't be an issue. um And so just moving on to the next point there.
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um
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Who in the squad now do you think, like we've got a few current younger players who in as of recently haven't seen much game game time, like Bogard for example. um Do you see anyone in the first team squad now who might benefit from a loan to get more experience? um Can you think of anyone or do you think we should kind of keep everything as is? We've got enough people out on loan to manage.
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Um, I think especially now at the moment with the the injuries that we've had and that we've sustained over the kind of course of the season and how we've kind of chopped and changed things, um, especially in the back line, but kind of all over the team, we've been struck with injury problems and the amount of games we've had as like to play a fatigue and, and those sorts of elements. I do think that we do have probably a slightly smaller squad than we maybe need for the amount of games that we're playing.
Loan Strategies Amidst Injuries
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And therefore, I think to see anyone out on on loan would be would be I don't think it'd be a wise decision, I think. We do need bodies in, whether those are players that we have out on loan already that are coming into the fold and kind of being trusted with first team minutes is an interesting shout. I think there's a lot of quality, as we mentioned, in players that we have out on loan. Whether they can come straight back in and make the step up is a different story. But I think with recruitment being as difficult as kind of what it will be reported with the profit and sustainability, I think it might be an option that we have to explore bringing back
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kind of younger players who've excelled at lower levels and and bringing them straight into the fold. So I think it will be good for their development in the sense that they'll be playing high quality football very early on in their career. But you don't want to burn these youth players out kind of too early and expose them to kind of that elite level of football too early in their development. So I don't think anybody in the squad should be going out on load at the moment because I mean, we have a kind of use for every single player in that first team squad. We've seen youth players like Nedjila Kovac and Bogard play first team minutes, whether it's cameo appearances or even starting games. So I think there is a place for everybody in the squad. and I don't think anybody should be going out on loan at this current point. Yeah, that's fair enough. I think what you just said kind of like raised a question to me is,
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Yes we're I think struggling for bodies at times and you know obviously this recent international break wasn't too helpful in terms of that for us um but you know put yourself in Emory shoes where now you've got you know regular starters that are now managing injuries or you have to monitor things or you look at you know the substitution list, do you feel confident going into matches where so-and-so hasn't played in maybe four or five games? They've they've put in the work and training and that kind of thing, but do you now feel comfortable putting them in? like Do you not think it would might take a game or two or something like that to work into the rhythm? or or so it's It's hard because you
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Loaning, loaning them out would get them the minutes, would keep them sharp, but at the same time, now you've put yourself in a situation where you can't have, you know, all of your options or, you know, safety net loaned out. And then if something happens, you've got no one. So yeah, I don't know. I'm sure, you know,
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me and my UEFA aid license but yeah I'm i'm sure they've they've sorted it out and I think you have to have trust in in your players and everything but i that's just something that I think I just thought of and I think I don't know if that's me as like a goalkeeper obviously it's different on a field player but I think as a goalkeeper you you know once you've gone so many games without like maybe you you've been named a substitute or something it's just maybe it's more psychological than that. Yeah. Yeah. That was, yeah, just raised a good point. Yeah, definitely. I think it's, it's, it's one of those, I think it's a great point you make about players that are kind of being brought into the fold after maybe not featuring for whether it's four or five games. I mean, we've seen it, you know, we've got two players, three players, if you count when they are coming off the back of, of long-term injuries in Kamara and Ming's and they've been thrown straight into the fold. And whether it's that mental sharpness, that physical sharpness that they've lacked for
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not playing for for a year. i think I think arguably it's something we spoke about before, the way that these players have been brought back is is ah slightly concerning to me and I think it is kind of, it's telling as to how slight the squad is that two players who have recovered from ACL injuries have been kind of brought back straight into Champions League football, kind of thrust in there as starters.
Player Reintegration Challenges
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And I do think there's a ah way that I suppose when players have have not played games, you kind of bed them back in, whether it's substitute appearances that kind of gradually get more and more minutes week in, week out, which is probably what Mings and Kamara would have preferred in terms of how they were kind of brought back after their injuries. But I think it is concerning that we are so light in bodies and numbers that those two players were kind of thrust straight back in with no real kind of bedding into that that squad. Obviously they would have trained, but
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I mean, you'll know as a player that you kind of training and and actual matches are very different in terms of intensity and mental strength and those sorts of things. So yeah, I think it's definitely a concern in terms of how slight the squad is. But I mean, you'll probably be able to give some some great insight as a player as to kind of how that that process is when you maybe haven't played for a few games and then you're called upon.
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Yeah, I think with that, it's just kind of, you can't
Balancing Academy and Signings
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really think about it. You just have to, you know, go out and and do the tasks at hand. um But that also, I think,
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gets kind of the gears going in my brain, it's it's what's the solution for that? So in a perfect world, you'll you'd be able to have a really strong academy, bring up your players to that academy, but also you you'd be able to sell players, earn a profit, and you know both sides there are going, and it's propelling the club forward.
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But for from Villa, I don't know if they have a strong identity between those two sides. Do you think that Villa leans more towards you know graduating Academy players to the first team? Or should they? Is that the answer to that to our problem? Or do they need to focus more on just developing and selling the players to to turn a profit? um How do we manage that? How do we use that to address this issue where yeah our bench is a little bit slight? Yeah I think it's it's very much a case I think of finding the balance because I think as I mentioned there's a lot of players that are out on loan that have certain qualities that Emory may or may not deem kind of first team ready or first team suitable and I think you see a lot of those those kind of big clubs they they're very selective over their youth
00:24:27
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intake you know that they have players that they've been good enough that they kind of bed in whether that's through multiple loans or bringing them kind of through the first team and they're very very kind of ruthless in terms of players that aren't deemed good enough that are shipped out whether that's on permanent deals to low league EFL clubs for making profit and in that sense or just continuous loaned out to the point where they're then kind of being loaned away until they're kind of mid 20s and then they're they're kind of let go so I think that's something that are going to have to get come to terms with in the sense that not every player we have out on load is going to feature in that first team because we're now at a level of quality that is kind of it's it's above where we were when these players were brought in and not all of these players will reach those heights that we kind of hope for them but I think that's something that as I say we're going to have to we're going to have to manage I think it's encouraging in the sense that
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you can see a lot of our profit and sustainability issues. You know, this is very much a short term fix in terms of the the players through our academy that we kind of sell on for various kind of amounts in permanent deals is going to be pure profit to go into those profit and sustainability kind of um in those figures. So That in itself is sort of encouraging in terms of the club's recruitment. It allows us to be a little bit more creative where without recruitment and it kind of steadies the ship a little bit. But as you mentioned there, there is a balance because we do have a very slight squad and the amount of games were we're kind of having to play at the moment and hopefully if we qualify for Europe, whatever competition that will be next season, we'll have a a similar amount of games. So I think it's yeah it's striking that balance but between
00:26:10
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bringing in quality that we've got out on loan in our younger players, but also kind of being, not being afraid to cut our losses when there's kind of financial ah profit on the table for for some of our younger players. Yeah, absolutely. I think but in our squad now or first team squad, we've got just, you know, a handful of young players. I think that average or average squad age is, I want to say like 26 or 27, something like that. and And we've got a handful of young players, which um have been brought in, so not necessarily have come through the academy system. So I think um in terms of Villa's like identity with that, in terms of like the future of the squad and you know turning profit over players, I think I'd like to see a little bit more of players come through the Villa Academy. um As you mentioned earlier a few times, like we've we've brought in a lot of West Brom graduates.
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um So you know if we're able to identify these players these players at a younger age um and have them come through the academy, I think that might be a little bit more beneficial in terms of if we end up in a situation where we're struggling for bodies.
00:27:25
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I think having them there right in the academy, they're familiar you know with but how things are run with Emery's style and everything. I think that would be very beneficial, but also every now and then or or even having a few players where if worse kind like worse comes to worse, we're in kind of a pinch, then we can sell them um and move on from there. So that's just you know my vision of an ideal future ah moving forward with Villa.
00:27:56
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And yeah, I, I, hopefully they can sort it out and hopefully we're not in a pinch in 2030 when we're trying to figure out who we can surround Morgan Rogers with them to get the job done or, or, you know, if Martinez is still around, um, what, what that's going to be like, but hopefully we'll have options and and bodies and the quality. So we're not, you know, facing the same struggles we did, um, back in 2024 then.
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Yeah, absolutely.
Optimism for Villa's Youth Academy
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I think, you know, as you mentioned, the kind of the scale for kind of growth with the the squad that we have looking in the next four, five to six years is really exciting. And I think, you know, we haven't necessarily had the most kind of lucrative youth academy intake over the past 10 years in terms of players that have come through, done well, and then we've kind of sold them on.
00:28:48
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But I think hopefully looking towards the next or five to ten years with the players coming through it's going to be really exciting to see some of the talent that is is brought through our kind of doors and whether again they are sold on for a profit or or become the kind of the local Villa heroes as Jack Grealish, Morgan Rogers and many many more before them. So yeah, I think it's really exciting times in in that regard in that kind of aspect of the club with the Youth Academy work that that Mark Harrison's doing for us.
00:29:18
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Absolutely. And hopefully like the only way is up from here. So as long as they continue building on the momentum we've made over the last couple of years, I can't wait to see what the future holds.
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00:29:59
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And that's all for this episode of the Daily Villa podcast. Thank you so much, Joe, for joining me. Any last thoughts or comments? I think it's just really exciting in that kind of area of the club. And in terms of, we're obviously got a full Crystal Palace preview later in the week as we look ahead to Saturday. So that's really exciting. And yeah, it's hopefully we're going to bounce back from some poor results with a ah win on Saturday.
00:30:28
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Yep, fingers crossed. Hopefully we'll get that three points in a clean sheet at home. That would be ideal. um Let us know what you thought of this episode, what you think about the future of Villa and Morgan Rogers' new contract. You can find all of our social handles in the podcast description. This has been a global sports podcast production. Thank you for listening and up the Villa.