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Maximising the Terrain Around You, Racing Mindset, New UTMB Index feat James Barnett | Episode 107
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In this episode brought to you by ASICS, Jess and James sit down with young gun James Barnett to talk through his impressive results so far. Get to know James and how he approaches training and racing, with the conversation covering mindset, using the bike in training, maximising the terrain you have around you, and some race recaps from James' recent results.
News/topics covered includes the golden tickets handed out at Canyons, the new UTMB index scoring, and brand sponsorship in Australia. Finishing up with some ripper results from home and overseas, we hope you enjoy!
Results:
- China WMRA
- Madeira 56km
- Mt. Fuji 100 mile
- Canyons 25km
- Mt Solitary Ultra (NSW) - Mens , Womens
- Bottlebutt Bash Trail Run (NSW)
- Bright Fun Run Trail Fest (VIC)
- Brisbane Trail Marathon (QLD)
- Sri Chinmoy Canberra Trail Series: Cooleman Clip (ACT)
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This episode is brought to you by ASICS, proud supporters of Aussie trail running and our very own Jess Jason. With their shoes in the nature bathing pack, ASICS transitioned smoothly from road to trail so you can enjoy all terrains in comfort and style.
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00:00:23
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Hello and welcome to episode 107 of the Street Podcast. Today or this week joined myself, James. We've got Jess. Jess, you're made a bit of a trip away from Canberra for the week.
00:00:35
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Yeah, lucky enough to find myself in the Gold Coast, gold coast um which i don't know the weather is actually nicer in Canberra. hopefully the rest of the week it stops raining, but...
00:00:51
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Yeah. Are you getting much time outside of work to best to spend up there? um Yeah, hopefully we've got the afternoons like pretty free. So, and we're right next to the beach staying at Surfing Australia. Nice. So pretty cool.
00:01:06
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Lovely. And we're also joined for the first time, which I'm actually surprised it is the first time. I feel like ah we we've definitely spoken about this guy for for quite a few episodes.
00:01:17
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James Barnett, welcome to the show. Yeah, um I just want to say thanks for having me, first of all. and yeah I was really worried you were about to cool call me out for something else I've said. and there There's a moment in the preview show of Buffalo Stampede where I made a very bad prediction and James um openly called caught me out on it as he came through the finish line winning the race. So we we'll be hearing about plenty, I'm sure. Going through this week, obviously we're going to hear from James, get to know him, hear about his story and what he has got coming up.
00:01:49
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News-wise, we've got the last golden ticket race of the year at Canyons went down last weekend. Some updates to UTMB and Drex, a few questions, both for James and more in general, a bunch of results, a really, really busy weekend. And then we've also got a lot coming up, including the Diverge Skyrun, which we will have just posted the preview for.
00:02:09
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when this one comes out so definitely worth a listen that one sounds pretty nuts I don't really know how the best way to describe it to be honest it's a unique challenge for Australia one I'm quite excited about but to get started James for those that don't know who you are or haven't had chance to meet you or haven't heard heard your name bit of story can you just give us a bit of a background to yourself what brought you into the sport and where where you're living at moment where you've been that kind of stuff Yeah, so I'm from the Dandenong Ranges.
00:02:39
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ah I wasn't really running to start with throughout high school. only started or roughly year 12 trying to follow my twin brother Hayden.
00:02:50
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um I guess it was a bit of jealousy. I was going to races, watching him and seeing how much fun it was. So wanted to get involved and I've kept it a challenge ever since trying to race him, beat him.
00:03:02
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um And by doing that, I moved up to Bright for couple of years and now I've made my way back to the Denny Nongs earlier this year. Pre-trail, you guys were doing triathlon, is that right, for a little bit? Yeah, we were. When we were kids, we were doing wait big triathlons and then another series.
00:03:25
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can't remember the name, but yeah, it was a big thing we used to do. I just want to set the framework that you haven't gone from like the couch to being able to run. absolutely not. And more so for Hayden, because like we, the first time I saw Hayden was Buffalo 2021, want to say. and he was coming on, the think maybe third in the 20K, sort of burst onto the scene.
00:03:49
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at that point, had you you had any real awareness of trail or any interest in it? ah Not really. Like we would go with our dad now and again with the Dandenong Trail Runners. But that would be like why so once off, once a week, do 20Ks. And then Hayden kind of grew into loving it while I was probably a little bit lazier. and um Yeah, I was watching the races. Buffalo was probably the main first one I saw him.
00:04:16
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And then Wondie Cross, when he raced Charlie, and Charlie was like, oh, probably at the first checkpoint, 10 minutes ahead already. Yeah. Yeah. When you got into it and I had a bit of a, of a glimpse, we we went on a run. I don't if remember this one that was like a ah bright, it was a casual run in bright a social event. And I just remember it was you, Joe, myself, bunch of people, people from there. And I remember running down from clear spot and you were ah in a bit of strife cramping up right at the end. And so that's kind of like the picture I've got in my head. Like we've we've known known each other for for quite a long time and you've obviously come on a long way from there.
00:04:53
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So once you sort of decided to get into it, take a little more seriously, what did that journey look like to where you've coming? Like, especially i feel like Buffalo's stampede last year and correct me if I'm wrong, was sort of the the first time where we saw like, oh, James has really got something like he's taken a level up. Yeah, well, when I did that run with you, the I'd only really just started running and that was a big step up. I think we did twenty eight ks maybe a bit more, maybe 30. Yeah, it was a big day. Yeah, I was already cramping by 15, 20Ks. But no, it started with I was running with Hayden and everyone he go out on, would do
00:05:35
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a game of footy and then go do a 10k run, run back to the footy club and yeah i don't know fitness kind of started from there and then build up to 60k weeks um and then I don't know once I left high school I kind of wanted to have a bit more consistency and build a bit more k's.
00:05:55
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And the decision to move up to Bright how did that all factor in? oh Well, I started doing races like Hayden had already moved up. I was still living in the Dandenongs doing outdoor ed.
00:06:06
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And i was trying to be consistent. I was racing nearly every weekend, as you know. ah Doing outdoor ed, you can't really run every day.
00:06:17
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so I was jealous of Hayden's lifestyle. So I decided I wanted to move up there and I was actually injured when I first moved up there, but I contacted Blake because I knew that he was um training some of the best at the time. So I wanted to get in on that.
00:06:33
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I like it. I think, was it 2022 or 2023 that you were doing that like really dense year of racing? Would it be 2023? Yeah.
00:06:45
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yeah Can you, as best you can remember, can you take us back to the decision? Cause there was a point when had a conversation and from my memory, it was just a case of you just really wanted to learn and practice the craft of racing and just being in that environment and pushing yourself and going against other people.
00:07:01
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Have I remembered that correctly? And like, what was the decision when you were going, yep, I'm going race? Like, it was pretty much every other weekend, I feel like, for a while. Yeah, well, was more myself proving that I can trail running in the first place. So I think that was a big part why i wanted to race a lot.
00:07:16
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But then it also helped overall learning nutrition, how fast I can run, and I don't know, my strong suits, which I figured ah from probably the start, it was the downhills.
00:07:29
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Mm-hmm. Felt a sense of freedom doing them and I wasn't scared, so...
00:07:35
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I think this is probably interesting for a lot of people to hear because there are a lot of people that struggle to build that confidence on the downhills, whether it's transitioning from the roads to the trails or just generally kind of being okay with letting themselves go. But you've seemingly found downhills to be your strength from the get-go.
00:07:55
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What do you put that down to? Oh, well, at the start it was more if I didn't, I'd lose Hayden and then I'd be by myself. Yeah. Yeah. um After that, it's more, don't know, confidence. It's just scanning what's in front of you and then putting that in the back of your mind and then you're already one step ahead for the next part in front. Jess, you have any questions for James at this point?
00:08:20
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um Yeah, like so with your strength being the downhill running, do you think that came from like a lot of the cycling that you had to do with triathlon? I actually don't know. It would probably more be, before us I started running, I was going to the gym and I actually, yeah was weighing 10 kilos more than I do now. but I think that helped condition my legs to be a bit stronger. But yeah, it's kind of came natural as well from just growing up in the Dandenongs and having that there.
00:08:51
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Do you find yourself like growing up, were you going out hiking in the Dandenongs at all? Well, we were actually mountain bike riding up one tree hill most weekends or riding from ours out to Lissafield and doing the tracks there with mates and Yeah.
00:09:08
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I feel like that one you've seen like downhill skiers and mountain bikers, people that have to get really used to looking further down the line have like, seem be able to translate that really well to downhill. So I wonder if that was one of your skills because like the vision of knowing, like being ah being able to look ahead of what's coming up, where you want to go It's tricky when what you want to do is just stare at your feet because that's where the rocks are. Um, but yeah, you, you can't do that on a bike.
00:09:35
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No, and I find that same with running. Like you can't be looking at your feet because that's when you're going to look down and there will be a rock there and you're just going to go straight over. faster Yeah, no, for sure.
00:09:47
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Coming. sorry. Yes, go on. Yeah. Like with, so we've seen you mostly in like the shorter distance races in the trail. Is that what you're still loving at the moment or do you have any desire to like to have the longer stuff? Well, I have done couple of the longer races, but I'd find I'd hit 35 Ks and start to die in the ass a little due to just not having the strength.
00:10:11
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But, um, Yeah, we've kind of, Blake and I decided shift focus, would have been last year to the shorter distance, more to build up speed. And then overall, um I'm going to, like, I kind of know my pace for the shorter distance as well, like what I can hold for that long.
00:10:33
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and So at the moment, i'm I'm happy where I am. And I am looking at to 35, but nothing like or over above. yeah And um we saw like the World Mountain running champs on the weekend. like Does that sort of race interest you at all?
00:10:53
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Yeah, absolutely. like Nath seemed like he had a great time there as well. Yeah, looked unreal place. and Just being able to go overseas and race against some different competitors as well would be a great experience.
00:11:08
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Yeah. So does Blake help you with like your race planning throughout the year? um I kind of have free range. That sounds dangerous. I'm really careful as well how close apart they are.
00:11:25
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Because yeah he's big on recovering, getting in a really good block instead of having an average block and then racing, having a couple of weeks off and racing again.
00:11:35
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But no, I've asked him for the rest of the year because I've got no plans. So yeah, we're going to probably work out end of year what I'm going to do. Yeah. So does that mean on on on the podcast tonight we can fill out this entire year or just save Blake a job?
00:11:51
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Yeah, I just want some deep fields and competitive, fast races. It's good good thing to go for. i find it interesting, like when we had Charlie on, he was talking about how good Blake was for his progression. Obviously, Blake's also a coach of Patrick Clark, who we've seen have great results at both Warby and at um at Buffalo as well. Going back like 2024, you did UTA 50. Um, you then, is it you 2023 you'd done Donna double and one D cross 27, which is essentially like a 50 K and GPT. So like you, you, you'd had those sort of 50 K or just under distances when you had that conversation with Blake and he was like, no, I think you need to bring it back. Focus on the speed develop.
00:12:32
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Can you remember kind of what you were thinking at that time? Were you happy with that decision? Yeah, i was because I was getting injured a lot and I wasn't having as much fun.
00:12:43
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ah I found doing the training, I was actually enjoying watching the progress and the build to a race rather than the race just arriving and I'm like, I'm not actually ready.
00:12:54
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Yeah, just kind of holding on for dear life to get to the start line. Yeah, and yeah I've noticed my speed has definitely changed. Yeah, it's been great. Yeah, I've definitely been been noticing, obviously, as as I do stalking people on Strava, and you've definitely taken leaps and bounds forward from at least like yeah a couple of years ago and when we were running a bit more in Brighton. I think it's it's interesting because we've had a bunch of younger guys on the podcast who have gone longer, like we you can see see it at the moment, and
00:13:26
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the the decision that, okay, actually I'm going to put this level of development first is another route that you can do. So you can develop the aerobic side, do longer Ks, build up the strength, or you can build up the speed side.
00:13:38
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um But ah it's clearly worked because as we've already alluded to last year, Um, kind of, I would say the two main ones, uh, I guess three with this GPT that you did as well, but we saw you at Buffalo in the 20 K with an incredible battle with Charlie. Patrick Clark was also in there for the first, probably 12 to 15 K of that. And eventually coming second to Charlie Hamilton, then.
00:14:04
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UTA 22, curious to hear how you you found that day, but still ah getting a top five at UTA. um My guess is is that you felt like there was probably more there. And then more most recently, well, I guess a couple of recent wins in Bright, literally last weekend, you won the Bright fun run and it was like...
00:14:22
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It's i'm probably going to get lost because you you destroyed Joe Dorff, which I'd just like to to stay that by at least 10 minutes for Joe. But your like your run was nuts. like You look at the the stats on it, the way you're climbing. and I know you said you kind of went out a bit hard, but you found a second gear. But then previously, yeah, winning Buffalo. yeah so like the The progression you've seen, do you do you feel like that is down to that decision to go, okay, speed is where we can get them where we need to put that focus on now? Yeah, well, the speed, yeah it's definitely helped, I found on the
00:14:54
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I think more of the shorter uphills, so like your 5%, maybe bit higher than 5%. Yeah, it's really helped on that. But then also I've seen even steeper stuff in between like the 5% and the 15. Oh, 15, 25. can yeah run well at ala students to they work
00:15:23
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So, you're running 25% grades? Well, yeah. Like when I was in Bright, when I was doing i was doing the Wandy cross climb on most my runs because I was housing in Wandy for a little bit. So, yeah, I was finding that great training and then going into a speed session on the flat that would help me as well. ah Yeah, I don't know how to put it. it just It just clicks a bit better.
00:15:47
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Yeah, no, I like it. I think it it speaks to the having ah that bit of variety, but at the end of the day, like a good runner is a good runner and getting faster is going to improve that output at that top end, which is going to translate. And we've seen that in the studies as well. So that's awesome to see.
00:16:02
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t Take us back to Buffalo last year. when you're in that race now, like on on paper, it was a step up and and it seemed like that was the the first race where we, where you were really head to head with somebody that we do hold on a bit of a pedestal in in Australia. And you're right there with him trying to take Charlie down.
00:16:19
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What was that race like for you? And what, how did you feel after that happened? Well, it was more I went into that race just racing it for myself rather than i on a position because I actually didn't really have um a goal for what I wanted to do. just wanted to be up there with everyone.
00:16:39
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And, um, yeah, I think I started out the race with Charlie and then I could tell parts he was pushing on and he wasn't. So I'll try, I'm not getting his head, but I was trying to use my own running to discourage him, but Yeah, I feel like based on my own game plan and just running my own race that helped overall for the day. Definitely a big confidence boost as well. And then coming in after Buffalo, confidence is high. You're looking at UTA.
00:17:09
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Did you go in with a different mindset for that one? Yeah, well, we knew the type of race it was, so like said, we might as well risk it and go hard on the down, follow the rest, because if ah if i didn't follow, I was going to lose them either way on the next part.
00:17:26
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So, yeah, I did blow up massively, and my hamstrings were sore for weeks, but ah wow yeah I wasn't too fast. I was still happy. with my result.
00:17:39
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Do you, when you come out of a race like that, like you've just had a really good race at Buffalo, you've then had a day where you've taken some risks that hasn't worked and you but still come away with like a lot, to a lot of progress and a lot, a lot of positives to take away. you're Looking at the rest of the year, like we, aside from GPT stage race relay, i think we saw you at was, what was the decision for the rest of the year? it seems like it was relatively quiet.
00:18:07
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by your standards? Yeah, well, I actually got injured. um Yeah, I had a lot of that period off and just trying to rebuild and then I'll get a little niggle, rebuild again, and I'll have something else that would set me off for another week.
00:18:24
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So that was when I was using bike riding to yeah help overall with my running and keep my fitness. Lucky for me, I didn't lose any fitness.
00:18:35
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I rode Hotham the week before GPT. I think my longest run was probably 12Ks. oh wow Straight into backing up two 20K days in a row. But yeah, my body had the endurance and speed.
00:18:51
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That's really cool. Putting in cycling into your training, had that been part of your training before the injury? A little bit because i'd got I got a bike, probably it would have been before Buffalo.
00:19:03
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And then after then, then spent more money on a more expensive bike. I kind of had to ride it to justify it. so Yeah. Yeah, as soon as I got injured, I decided like there's heaps of groups in Bright. So I was just joining them.
00:19:19
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And then I ah did a little local race as well. And that was also like teaching nutrition, how much I could handle and take resistance. so How high did you get on the carbs? Well, I was working out in one of the races. I was probably pushing around 160 an hour. I yeah well i just felt like constantly hungry. So I was just having so much. and Everyone else around me is just probably having a couple of squirts of their bottle every now and again.
00:19:48
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was like, there's something wrong with me that, nah, I can just handle it. That's brilliant. did Did you feel like your stomach became stronger when you tried to do that, like bring the nutrition to to running because of that?
00:20:01
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The high carb on the bike? I think it's actually pretty strong as it is. Like, I ate so much crap that probably shouldn't. Yeah, my body just responds well.
00:20:11
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And we should say that you're partnered with Precision. like use do find that Do you think you could go that high with other nutrition? Because i i do like i I personally use Precision quite a bit and I just find that, especially with the 90-gram pouches, they just kind of go down.
00:20:29
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Yeah, well, I found using the carb mix, like I actually don't use gels as much anymore. okay I only use them for training. ah don't really use powder for training. But then come race day, um and normally chuck 90 grams in a 500 ml bottle.
00:20:47
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And then I have that an hour with one gel. So it's an easy 120. Yeah, don't know, it just settles well. And then you're also forcing 500 ml of water an hour. So...
00:21:00
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Yeah. Jess, you've been using cycling more in your training. Is that correct still? Yeah, pretty recently. um Yeah, I really like it though. I genuinely – I like ah kind of looked back at the last couple of years and noticed that whenever I'd like forced – I'd been forced into like a block of cycling with injury – coming out of that I performed really well in running um and the last couple years because I haven't been injured like I hadn't cycled as much so um i was like well I feel like I'm kind of plateauing a little bit so I might just try something different and I could already feel a lot stronger even though it's been like I don't know three or four weeks so yeah so you feel like it's it's the strength that cycling gives you it's not sort of the the offloading the volume
00:21:53
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No, i because I wasn't doing that much volume. Like I was kind of backing off and backing off um this year, like thinking I was burnt out. um But I honestly think like I respond really well to the bike. Like I could go like last week I went for like a two-hour ride, did um Black Mountain and Ainsley and like which is pretty hard. i don't know.
00:22:19
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if if other cyclists would find that hard but I found it pretty hard um and then like just like like how you recover is so different like you just feel fine the next day and then like Friday I felt amazing did like a really good session so i think you can just like you can put in so much more work without like the repercussions of like impact yeah have you would would you say James that's like your experience as well because you've kept cycling in a bit more as well Yeah. Um, well I was actually using it for a bit to do kind of a double session a session on the park and then still run the next day.
00:22:57
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yeah Your legs are fine. So you were kind of rather than said like a double session in a day, you're doing like back to back days. Yeah. yeah Okay. That's interesting. How, how else have you found your training has changed since like including the bike and coming into this year? Yeah. Yeah. yeah So, um, I know. I think it's just more the fatigue resistance. It's my body just I can run longer without doing the training because I've had the hours on the bike because I think it's more your quads I feel I use on the bike especially when I'm climbing but I can ride and then yeah wake up the next day and I feel fresh and it's just helped with not doing as much volume running yeah because what what does a normal week look like for you James ah
00:23:43
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If I'm not listening to Blake and I'm doing more riding than I'm meant to, and I like to sit at around 160km of riding with, I don't know, 2,000 metres. And then running-wise, 70km with 2,500 to 3,000, if I can, depending on how fatigued my legs are feeling towards the end of the week.
00:24:06
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That's a relatively high distance to the ratio for the running. Are you purposefully searching out that elevation in the week? Well, I've got one cross coming up and ah know it's since I've been back in the Dandenongs, I climbed just don't feel as hard as bright like if i'm doing a hill session doing like uh six times four minutes and then you're already at 800 meters because my warm-up already had like 250 meters of climbing yeah yeah moving from bright back to dandenongs where you are now how have you found that change from your training's perspective
00:24:46
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Just like trying to find a long climb is so hard. The one week I did purposely look for a long climb, I had to drive out to Warby, and then I had probably one of the worst sessions I've had. It's like I've just driven an hour to do that. I don't know.
00:25:05
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I do enjoy the variety of trails there as well. obviously it's still relatively recent i guess you said about offline about three months two months even that you've been doing it for but do do you feel like there's any elements of having more if you say more runnable trails or trails where you are more limited to a total amount of gain like three four hundred meter climbs at at most that that is having and ah like a positive impact when you're running or a um negative impact when you're running Well, like what we were talking about, um it just helps with speed-wise. So I actually think it's been positive so far because in most races you do anyway. It's not like you're going to be constantly climbing those 30% climbs.
00:25:48
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yeah It's going to be more that runnable 5% to 10% climbs. So I felt, yeah, it's actually helped a lot. on that climbing aspect. but then I mean, I still do have some steep climbs out here as well, but it just means doing reps.
00:26:07
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Jessica, any other questions for James on training? um So strength training-wise, are you with flow state? I'm not.
00:26:17
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No, i'm actually I'm really bad with my strength training. Okay. I did or probably one strength session before Buffalo, but then I've had races coming up, so I haven't really wanted to dip into it too much.
00:26:33
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But after Wandi Cross, that is a main goal all of mine, to focus a bit more on my strength work. Yeah. When you say one strength session, do mean literally you went to the gym once? Oh, we just got wasted at home. I probably did half an hour, and I felt sore for the next couple of days. and Yeah.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yeah, I'm trying to remember to talk to my head who I just heard someone else, like a top level elite. I can't remember. I think it was one one of the female elites. Anyway, they've only recently started incorporating strength training and it sort of it it does as a running and strength coach, kind of blows my mind that it's still something that people miss. um Not because of like an injury side of things, but just from a performance side of things. So like when you say that is something that you you want to make a priority after one day is is like what's driving that for you? Well, it's like um I just noticed in races that even if you do have a day low week, you're still going to have that little bit of fatigue.
00:27:31
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Like even on weekend in my race, the top of my my glutes were fatiguing first and that was how I got injured last year. So yeah, yeah it's like I want to strengthen. So then my body can handle doing volume, but then also doing the climbs a bit better.
00:27:51
Speaker
Definitely. It would definitely help. It would be ah a scary proposition when you start adding three to six months of consistent strength training under your belt. Yeah. yeah We wouldn't want to be lining up against you on a on a start line ever, but even more so. ah Taking us to most recently with with Buffalo Stampede,
00:28:11
Speaker
Considering that we're still, was it's only four weeks ago at at at this time. Can you kind of do a bit of ah a run through of how that race went and how it played out? Oh, well, at the start, I was just wanted to follow the young boys because they wanted to set the pace early on the flat.
00:28:28
Speaker
Hang on, James, how old are you? Oh, yeah, I know. I'm 22, but I was so many. Wait, who are the young? Oh, like... Curtis and Patrick? Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:39
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Yeah, they wanted to go a bit quicker on the flat and I know that Hayden likes to say a bit more conserved so i was trying to run with those those boys to make a bit of a point that I wanted to be out the front and kind of control the race.
00:28:56
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And then on the first climb, as soon as we hit the gate, that's where I decided that I wanted to lead them up the climb. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Yeah, so just went at my own pace on the whole climb and like i was saying in the interview with Flowstate the day before, I was basing off heart rate as I always do but I did go a little bit higher than I was meant to.
00:29:21
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So um speak about that a bit more because I think that's the first time you've mentioned the heart rate. So how much are you using your heart rate during races? I use it mainly on the climbs. downhills ah Probably the first 30 minutes of the race is to me it's the most important.
00:29:38
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then I normally switch my watch just to like what time of the day it is because I don't want to be looking. Yeah. um Yeah, on the climbs I want to sit at 170 173.
00:29:51
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And what does that number mean to you? Like what what zone are you in there or what intensity? To me, it's like what I can hold for a decent period of time without blowing up. So you say like classic vernacular kind of, would would that be slower than what you say is your threshold, like a 60 minute race pace or ah would you be going above that point? don't know what zone it would be. It's just like in races last year, i was able run the whole race at 171.
00:30:20
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one seventy one okay yeah yeah like like a tempo climb effort then so it's interesting i feel like jess do you use your heart rate much on races no way like yeah i wouldn't even know like um i don't know for example like the only time i've ever looked like was when i did a road marathon and i feel like that's Kind of like like, I don't know, taking out a few factors, but my average heart rate was like 185 for the whole marathon. So like I feel like I don't really know.
00:30:57
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I don't know what my threshold heart rate is. I think it's a lot higher than most other people. yeah um So I can't really go by like the standard numbers that people say. um i think like because I've been running for so long, I just know what it's supposed to feel like.
00:31:11
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Yeah. Do you find that James, that you kind of, you instinctively know, like almost before you look at your heart rate, what it's going to be? Yeah, kind of. I think it's more by looking at my heart rate, I'm knowing when not to be silly. But then also when I'm being a bit of a sook and I'm thinking about walking, it's like I'm not actually pushing as hard as what I know I can. So It's a boost to keep pushing that little bit harder. Yeah.
00:31:42
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Okay. And so you you come up, I think from the 10 K as well, I think you still set the fastest time up Emily's from the weekend, which is pretty impressive. You get up to the top. Are you in first at that point at the top of mystic?
00:31:56
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Yeah, I kind of led from the gate yeah the rest of the race. um Except at the bottom and middle track, I missed my bottle. So Patrick overtook for a little bit on that part and then he went to go the wrong way and he let me lead from there again. and yeah Very kind of him.
00:32:15
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Yeah. and ah did So did did the lead change at all after that point? Not really, because then um before you hit clear spot, there's a little gradual climb.
00:32:27
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So I actually put a bit of speed into that just to ah feel where Patrick was at. And he faded a little. So I i knew I'd have about 10 seconds extra up my sleeve going up clear spot. So I let him catch me and then I'd run again.
00:32:46
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i'd start walking, he'd catch me and I'd run again. So And I kind of play mind games with him the whole way up. Okay. It's interesting you about because I don't think I've ever heard you talk like this tactically about a race before. So is this something that you've been developing over the recent years or is is this a new thing that you've used for this Buffalo race?
00:33:05
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It was more After Buffalo last year, it gave me a bit of confidence. So then going into Bright Fun Run last year, I told Hayden where I'll push a little bit more. So i think it's more the sense of having control. Like I had confidence that I could do well in that race.
00:33:25
Speaker
So I knew if I was at the front, I could control everything. what was happening so I use that to the best of my ability and I guess you also know that ah having run downhill with you and thinking that I was okay at it and then trying to keep up with with both both you ranhaid and Hayden down middle track are it it is quite eye-opening how fast you guys are and so you always know that you have that in your in your back pocket were you pretty confident that regardless of how like even if you were 10 15 seconds by behind and Patrick at the top you were going to be the first to finish
00:33:56
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Well, yeah, i I was actually trying to save my legs. If you look at middle track, Patrick went quicker than me because I was trying to play it a bit smarter. So i actually did the exact same time that Charlie did the year before down middle track.
00:34:12
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And then on the first bit down clear spot, it's that little bit steeper. So yeah I probably had the 10th best time of the day because I easier myself because I knew on the second part I could rip it.
00:34:24
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yeah Yeah, put a minute and and a half into everyone on that part. Wow. Wow. And come through the finish, take first. It's pretty, like you you said before, i think potentially off offline, you're quite surprised at how fast the time was. Like, did you have a time in your mind you thought it was going to take to win?
00:34:43
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No, I didn't have a time at all. It was a whole different course. The only times I had was Mystic because I was lapping my watch on the main climbs. Yeah, Mystic, ClearSport.
00:34:55
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Oh, that was probably it. Yeah, just those climbs. I kind of had in my head what I wanted do. For context for everyone listening, so it was roughly 20.2K if you're looking at the UTMB page, 1,400 meters, and you ran it in 1.47.59.
00:35:12
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which is like, it's, it's pretty crazy. and And yes, if you look back at previous years, like your, your run from Buffalo last year, you, you won that in one 41, 59 to six minutes faster, but, and 20 K with just under 1300. But would you say that this course like was a slower course because of the nature of how, how the elevation came and went?
00:35:34
Speaker
Yeah, well, absolutely, because you've got the hard uphill and then you're obviously going down a super steep downhill and then you're having to back it up again. And then with already fatigued legs, you have to do another steep downhill and try not to cramp on the way to the finish.
00:35:52
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Yeah, I think hardness was it was probably less runnable than 20-25. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that we were all kind of watching the the results and saw it pop up and you ended up winning by about two minutes from Patrick with Josh Goding in third. And just especially personally knowing Bright very well, as probably do a lot of our listeners, because a lot of people have done Buffalo Stampede and explored explored the area. Like it is very impressively quick, which you then showed again at Bright Fun Run, just gone where but if if you're comparing the two the two races for yourself of how you felt like you performed, how would those two most recent ones go?
00:36:27
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ah I don't know. like ah I felt like I had more control in Buffalo. yeah In this last race, I just wanted to say where I could use my strength. So like on the first half of the race, it's more runnable. So I pushed really hard on that. But then that obviously resulted in going slower up clear spot.
00:36:51
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It still wasn't like a huge distance and for both runs I felt incredibly strong on the second half. So yeah. It's it definitely having going into it now with you here it definitely feels like you've I don't know matured in your mindset with the racing like you can you can tell that there's a lot of thinking going on there's also a lot of confidence which is really cool to see it makes me excited to follow you for the rest of this year. um Again, something we were quickly chatting on before this, that to me, the the elephant in the room at the moment is you're still unsponsored, yet you are objectively one of our best male performances.
00:37:27
Speaker
Is that something that you're ever going into events with of like wanting to beat the people that have sponsors or kind of with that chip on your shoulder at all? Well, it's like, yeah, ah you want to be sane for being an elite trail runner and I want to be in that category.
00:37:43
Speaker
yeah I am lucky enough to have Tegan and Kelly with Endurance Edge. Yes. The shorts, but yeah, having and like a big name sponsor that can help out with my running would be great.
00:37:56
Speaker
If you were to put like a value in the sense of what it would allow you to do, because i think it is interesting for people that are never going to have a sponsorship, there's not a consideration for them. and And Jess, I'm interested hear your thoughts, obviously having assets there. But why like what is the benefit to you of it? Outside of the obvious of like you could get get sent some gear, but like what does it mean to you to actually be sponsored? For me, it's more being a part of team and I know being seen as that you are capable of being at that level. But, yeah, don't know how to put it. I think it's more just being on it a team. It would feel special. It's like with all sports you watch, even footy, cycling.
00:38:40
Speaker
They're all part of big teams in the end. Yeah. yeah Jess, how would you answer that same question? um It makes... decisions easier um like outside of gear like financially um like you can make decisions to go overseas to get experience which makes you a better runner yeah um that's probably one of the biggest benefits i would say um but yeah in terms of like sponsorships i think um what i've seen is like
00:39:17
Speaker
It's probably not just results, like it's um that the brands are interested in. It's like um people that are really like involved in the community and like people that show up to these events and like they do their race but then they come back the next day and they're cheering on other people and they're really involved in the community um and like they're seen to have like a really positive um attitude at the event. Like I think that's really important.
00:39:47
Speaker
um Because ultimately like the brand wants the athletes to be seen like in their gear. um at these events as much as possible so yeah I think like if you were an athlete that was chasing a sponsorship I would think beyond results as well like um just how you can be part of the community a bit more all right distinct memory James remember what year it is but one of the years at Buffalo where i'm pretty you raced on the Saturdays it must have been 20k and then Sunday you were on an aid station supporting for the marathon think with Hayden at Baker's Gully Oh yeah, we we did for one of these. Yeah. yeah
00:40:22
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Yeah. So it's, um, but yeah, I think Jess, it's, it's one of those conversations with quite a few people. And i think, I think the recognition element is probably easy, an easy one to shut down as being like, well why do you need that external recognition? But when you work really hard and you do put everything into this and you are trying to reach that level, it is nice for a brand to go, no, we, we, we see that we recognize you.
00:40:40
Speaker
We see the potential. We want to help foster it. Um, but and and just if you disagree like let please say but i then also on the the and then this is going to tie in which i'll go into after this uh a question that siobhan had for for billy or in reference to billy is that the opportunity to develop when you do get when you can make decisions about your race selection more uh with less limitations i e say financially you could be supported to go overseas or it's just race entries into a x supported event that you can then go and do without having to go through with a lottery process or whatever it it might be it's um but yeah i i always think it's interesting kind of seeing where that drive comes from but as a completely biased advocate as someone that is your friend ah i i'm i'm looking forward to the day that you get the the external as opposed to not just the internal recognition for the level that you've done
00:41:38
Speaker
Yeah. It'd be nice to see more brands getting involved um in the Australian scene because yeah we really don't have very many um involved at the moment. Like when you look at America, they've got like Brooks, Sorkoni, ACG, like there's so many other brands. um And yeah, we just, we don't have very many that are sort of looking at our trail athletes at the moment, unfortunately. So hopefully that kind of continues to grow and like expands the opportunities. I think it's, I do find it interesting. Like when, when Leo got sponsored by Brooks, I was wondering if that was going to be Brooks making a little bit more of a play into the trail market over here. But you look at trail running growth incredible.
00:42:22
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dominated at the moment the moment by Asia. So I think there's a lot of brands that are looking, like we saw, we see with ACG with how many Chinese and Japanese athletes they've signed this year. And then also the Chinese brands themselves looking outwards. And I do think that's probably, don't monopolizing a little bit of the attention, but yes, yeah, I completely agree. Like it's,
00:42:40
Speaker
It would be really cool to see the brands that have like dipped their toe in as well, the ones that have showed an interest, but have maybe only got one athlete thinking of on normal Brooks for them to commit a bit more of a resource. because we see a big team from ASICS and from La Sportiva, but that's probably like north the North Face has kind of backed off. So is Salomon. So it yeah it would be it would would be awesome even just to to give opportunities, like like yourself, James, somebody that's in ah in their early twenty s that has quite literally a massive runway of that you could develop and having someone come in to support that would be pretty epic. So I think there's, we're clearly seeing ah a very good growth potential for runners like yourself. um
00:43:19
Speaker
And kind of on that Shiv's question, of i'll ah I'll come to you James first because I think it's, interesting to see your opinion on this. I did also message Billy this question to get his feedback, but Siobhan was wondering, so we've recently just seen Billy come second at Madeira So it was a World Trail Majors, part of the short series. From memory, and I definitely could be wrong in this one, but one of the very few podium performances at a clear international event that we've seen in recent years,
00:43:52
Speaker
And Sean was wondering, like, does Billy's performance show that if more Australians committed to living and training over in Europe, that it suggests our top end can compete at the top in Europe, given the right training environment?
00:44:04
Speaker
And so regardless of sponsorship, like put that to the side, but just being like, we've seen Billy, he's essentially unsponsored. He's just made the commitment living very minimally, but to just explore that terrain and race over there. And we've now seen this result from him. What are your your thoughts on that?
00:44:20
Speaker
What would you think about going across to Europe to live for six months and and just training? Well, yeah, watching what Billy has been doing has been really cool because even if you look at his runs, you can't really understand how fast he is running and what he's doing because the trails are completely different. Yeah.
00:44:40
Speaker
So yeah, I think it definitely is a huge benefit that he's been living over there because he's got that experience on the trails. But yeah, it'll help him in the long run because even found last year when I was in Europe, you know you feel probably five times slower than what you do over here.
00:44:57
Speaker
trails are just so different. and like Being devil's advocate, I know there's there's going to be some very clear reasons for this, but What's stopping you from, say, going across to Europe for three, four months?
00:45:10
Speaker
Obviously, there's the in there's the financial side of it which may but to get there, but we've kind of seen Billy that he saved up some money and then is living as cheaply as he can. but would you Would you take that punt? Do you feel like you're at the point with your running that it's worth that that shot?
00:45:24
Speaker
ah Not at the moment because, yeah, financially i would not be able to. But, I mean, if you had the opportunity to and you did believe in yourself to perform well, I mean, why not? What's stopping you?
00:45:41
Speaker
Yeah. Jess, what are your thoughts? i Do you think Billy's performance shows that the level in Australia is really like it's at that point now where you take away the travel, take away the different time zones.
00:45:53
Speaker
We can compete bit more than what we maybe see. Yeah, I like to think so. um Yeah, it's hard because like, I guess if you look at worlds, um we're still kind of, i mean, we are improving.
00:46:06
Speaker
um So yeah, you'd have to say like, um the level is definitely raising. Yeah. But, yeah, I guess, like, the tricky thing is definitely, like, like financially but also, like, um so Australian brands won't want to sponsor people that live overseas. Mm-hmm.
00:46:29
Speaker
So it's pretty tricky for us to um be able to do it because like, yeah, like you'd think having a sponsorship would help with that. But um realistically, like Australian brands want you to race in Australia. so Yeah. It's like a double-A sword, isn't it? Yeah.
00:46:48
Speaker
It's tricky. But yeah, hopefully like we – I think UTA like – um we'll hopefully run through the fields in the next couple of weeks but we're seeing some pretty strong runners showing up to that again so i think more races like that in australia will help as well um just like exposure to the international level um like we saw with um at gpt with like george running with caleb olson like that was pretty cool yeah and i think if we have more opportunities like that for the younger runners to kind of race against, um, like international stars. Like, like, I think James, like you would like using your strategies that you're talking about in Buffalo. Like if you had, um, someone that was just on that, that like echelon above and you were just trying to stick on them, like that would help you.
00:47:41
Speaker
um level up even more so yeah yeah yeah i'd i'd love to see you james on some of the the the world mountain running races or the sky running races like i think that that you you would excel and i think you'd also learn so much from from those events but obviously we have the caveat that always is the case that we're in australia and it's a really long way to go anywhere which has time and cost implications but it was interesting asking billy this question because he actually said like yes yeah He has improved, ah but and and it's quite hard because he hasn't done any races in in ah Australia to kind of have that that read of it that relevant context for.
00:48:21
Speaker
But he thought that, yeah, just just training in the mountains that climb up a long way and down really makes a big difference. But then by living there, there's no travel, there's no food issues. like You're used to everything. You're not having to get over the jet lag. even Even sort of six weeks is still a relatively short period to fully immerse yourself into that and get get ready.
00:48:38
Speaker
Um, and he says like, I'm really nothing special when it comes to running and racing. So it does show that someone pretty good, but not that good can have success. So I think his point being that given the right training environment, you definitely can see that jump. So no, it's just a, ah a fun hypothetical to go through it.
00:48:54
Speaker
But Jess, any other questions for James before we move forward? Um, no more questions, but, um, yeah, well done at Buffalo. It amazing to see like,
00:49:05
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I think it was a real breakthrough race for you and I'm really excited for the rest of your year. Yeah. Thank you. i was really hoping that I could perform the way I wanted and everything just worked out well on the day. It's so good.
00:49:19
Speaker
And James, you yeah have said one day already and that you haven't got anything else really planned. I need to chat with, with Blake, but is there any like dream or like kind of idea in there at the moment for us this year?
00:49:32
Speaker
Not for the rest of this year. No, not really. But I think like what you were touching on, even doing races overseas would be good. But then it's also picking out the right one so you have the right environment.
00:49:47
Speaker
Yeah. Because, yeah, in in Australia you've got uta or COSI, which are the great races. But then if you're scoping outside of that, that's close by. You've got Tarawera, but the elevation drops massively. So I think it's trying to find a big race that – has the profile that I'm looking for.
00:50:07
Speaker
Yeah. have Have you looked into many races in Asia to see if there's anything that would be worth the trip? Not really. ah been looking at a couple over in Switzerland, but that's more just for a holiday, really. Yeah.
00:50:21
Speaker
Yeah, I could definitely see the yeah the Swiss trails seating you be a Beautiful spot, not not the cheapest place to go in the world. ah Cool. All right, we we've got a few questions for James which from our Patreon listeners, which we're going to same for say for the page Patreon after show.
00:50:37
Speaker
But otherwise, James, thank you for indulging us with the questions. It's been great. been good to kind of shed a bit of light on you i think we're the plan is that we will come back and do a more in-depth long form in the coming months so if you had had some follow-ups that came to mind as you were listening to that one we will we will dive into that but news topics a quick break in the show to share the features of one of the shoes in the asics nature bathing pack the asics gt 2014 trail when your runs take you from pavement to trail and back again you need shoes with enough traction to keep you confident without sacrificing on ride and comfort on the roads.
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00:52:08
Speaker
So we saw in the men's field, Adam Peterman beat Zach Miller, beat Hayden Hawks. The top three get the tickets and all three of them confirmed. Did you guys, either of you, follow this at all or sort of followed the the hype pre or post?
00:52:22
Speaker
It's a lot of results, but didn't really look it up beforehand. Yeah, no. it's ah I think that the the Miller versus Hawks line whereasco was a big thing pre and and post. But i I think personally, when you look at Adam Peterman, who's a previous winner, Hayden, who's been top three twice, and then Zach Miller, Zach Miller.
00:52:42
Speaker
It's pretty exciting for it three names to throw into the into the field, which is an um already incredibly deep field, but they're pretty epic names to throw in there. um And that from what I could tell, unfortunately, there wasn't a live stream, which is a shame.
00:52:56
Speaker
But the Chinese as athlete, ah Luo Kanhua, he was sort of kind of made a bit of a pass, came into the three and Hayden and him were going back and forth right up until sort of the last couple of miles, um which yeah and ended up only being less than two minutes left.
00:53:11
Speaker
so two minutes apart and what six minutes separating the top four so a pretty pretty epic race it's got me got me very excited for for states it's uh obviously we have some pretty epic races here but i know there's there's something about the the fight to get into states even more so than western states that sort of gets me really intrigued and just seeing everyone kind of popping off essentially and then this year it's pretty cool but we've actually got holly to follow It's pretty rare we have ah have an Aussie in that field. So that's only eight and a half weeks weeks away from recording.
00:53:45
Speaker
In the women's field, there was Riley Brady. They took the win and the ticket. And then then the tickets rolled down to the fourth place finish, Sarah Humble and Eleni Mataresi.
00:53:57
Speaker
The interesting thing I found was that Carith Arnold is doing Hard Rock and Sarah Albin is doing CCC. So people are kind of they're clearly going, no, I'm not going to forego my priorities to do States, which feel like probably didn't see that much in the past and people tried to do the double up. So I quite like the fact that people have gone, no this is my season. I'm going to commit to it regardless of this. And they just wanted to get a competitive race in.
00:54:19
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um Or in Carith's perspective, she was trying to beat 10 hours and she ran 9.56. It's ah yeah just just interesting interesting to see on that one. anyway Either of you guys, I realize I probably follow the international side a bit bit more than most. so any Any comments on that?
00:54:35
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I think it's good that they are refusing the tickets as well because it like that they're obviously going to have their confidence going into next year knowing that if they do want to be in that position again,
00:54:50
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to win a ticket that they they can do it. So i don't think there's any point in them rushing. say yeah Yeah, I ah totally agree. i think that in Hard Rock's case, it's probably harder to get into Hard Rock than it is to get into Western States. so And i think there's only two weeks, maybe three weeks separating them.
00:55:09
Speaker
But people have, we we saw what Courtney in 23 do the States Hard Rock UTMB triples. And people have done it. But I do like seeing people be like, no, like this is this is what what I value and what I want to get the most out of myself for...
00:55:24
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We also saw ITRA, sorry, not ITRA, UTMB have updated their indexing system. For most people listening to this, it doesn't have too much of a a concern. Like you you might see your points go up or down a bit. It seemed like most in most cases, your points might go up five to 15. It doesn't really mean too much unless you're kind of right at the the top of the field. But if you do like following them and you see some changes, that's going to be why they they have a pretty good run through on the website.
00:55:52
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ah We have seen, just looking at races, there have been quite a few changes, say, in how the top 30 in Australia looks based on UTMB. Now, James, some of your scores went up. Jess, some of your scores went up.
00:56:06
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Some of my scores went down, which is kind of sad. But they've they what they have done now is they've... kind of they've tried to pull back the curtain a bit more think there's still questions but to identify like how things are being calibrated or sorry how things are being worked out and and how they're calibrated based on the conditions and the field competitiveness uh so they and they get they've got a four-step process of they look at similar races then they calculate an expected score, which I thought was interesting. So they kind of predict what you're going to score.
00:56:37
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um And then they they select a, like they have a confidence score on that as well. So i was listening to an interview, there which if you want to go into deeper on this, I would just suggest listening to the free trail interview where Dylan has spoken to two of the the people who work UTMB on this.
00:56:51
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But they have said that they look a lot more, they get a lot more confidence scores out of the female results than the male results. Sort of saying something about how males probably try and race is a bit less,
00:57:02
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ah what's the right word, consistent than the females is what what they're they're seeing. um And then, yeah, they kind of look at the the runners that are the most that represent the field in in the most consistent way. So it's predominantly made up of elites. They they discount the bottom 20%.
00:57:22
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ah They look at the the top and then they add about 20% of the recreation or like your your normal, most most of us normal runners. ah to create a score and then they do a a regression so they just take a a median but ah the the thing I find interesting here is that they have like rate specific adjustments so they say that they can't take into account the technicality or say like the muddiness because when we say technical we say like how technical or what sort of technical or muddy like how how muddy how much is that going to impact it so they look at Like if everybody is slower than they would expect, then they know that something was slowing them down. And so they just adjust for that so that change rather than what the specific change was caused by. And the same for speeding up. So if there was a particularly fast course, it would everything would be adjusted accordingly.
00:58:08
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um So that yeah that that the race specific adjustments are going to be for the steepness of the terrain, the average altitude and the overall competition level, which are a strength of field kind of element to it, which we're going to go a bit deeper into post show because for most people that listen, this isn't too super interesting, but it's good to see that they are.
00:58:27
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at least trying to improve the quality of the score that we sort of are being forced to pay a bit more attention to now at the top end. James, are you sort of watching this at all and seeing any, have you have you seen seen much go different for you? have you paid attention?
00:58:40
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ah I was looking a little bit, but yeah Joe reached out to let me know that my Buffalo score went up a little. six yeah It was definitely good to see because you always want to have a higher score.
00:58:55
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like To me, it's not super important, but I like comparing to Hayden. so
00:59:02
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The most important, just got to beat your twin. Yeah, but it's also it's nice seeing kind of roughly where you are in Australia based on everyone else as well.
00:59:13
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Yeah. But then it also comes down to what races you're doing. It shows you what races you could do in future years. Yeah. When you are picking races, and I think you actually did did to say this, but you can sort of go a bit deeper on how how much emphasis are you picking a race because of the competition level?
00:59:31
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And therefore, how much will you choose based on, say, where indexes are are highest and therefore the competition is highest? I'm more based on what I want to be a challenge. Like, obviously, Buffalo I pick because I know that there's going to be good competition any year, really.
00:59:48
Speaker
But, like, other races I do, onei Cross is a bit of fun. It's also more the challenge rather than the people racing. Yeah. And then GBT is also just for fun because I've done the 50K there and then the team relay. So none of them would really be helping my points, but...
01:00:08
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Yeah, it's more challenge, something new. Yeah. So now you've just got the the stage race and the miler to go, complete it Yeah. That could be be the idea for the back end of this year. Oh, we'll have to see.
01:00:24
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Jess, is it something you pay attention to, your index? ah No, not really. um Yeah, it hasn't really – like I haven't really needed to. um Yeah. But like if I – I guess like the only time that I know of that it would matter is like if I'm trying to get into like OCC or something without a spot.
01:00:48
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yeah Yeah. Cool. All right. So yeah, not as much going on. Jess, have you been? How's your last couple of weeks been? Yeah, good. um Yeah, I feel like I've turned bit of a page with my training last couple of weeks, just like feeling a lot stronger. um And yeah I guess it's hard to like measure kind of how you're going with trail sessions because like a lot of it is like perceived effort. But um I guess what I've seen is like um I've done like a few sessions now around like a loop in Canberra um that I usually do my trial runs on. And like, yeah, just noticing that like my times and splits and stuff are getting a lot better. And i don't know if it's just like the weather is like perfect for running at the moment, but I definitely feel more myself. Like I've,
01:01:45
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I haven't felt um this way for a long time now. Like I feel like I can get my heart rate up um again. so I've noticed that it's like getting back into like the 190 to 200 range, like when I'm going all out, which haven't seen for a long time. um So I think I'm just feeling good, like I'm fresh, like i've freshened up. um The bike is like I'm responding really well to it. And yeah, I don't know I've found I've I haven't been doing track, um which is a change.
01:02:21
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I've just been doing kind of like sessions on the lake. um So maybe like just taking out that really high intensity. So like probably running a little bit slower, like probably still like at my VO2 max, but like no quicker than like 320. Yeah.
01:02:41
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um that could be helping just to like recover enough um throughout the week to be able to get like more out of my second session. um What does a week look like for you now then? so um Monday is a rest day or like mobility. So I do like the Alice Bikwe for runners yeah polite session. So that's like a 30 minute session.
01:03:08
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Pilates session. um Tuesdays has been a session in the morning. So we'll go down to like really Griffin, which is just like a flat um footpath.
01:03:20
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um And I've been doing 400 metre reps or like 90 second reps with really short kind jog rests. um So the last couple of weeks we did like 16 to 18 reps.
01:03:35
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reps with like a 40 second jog rest um are they sorry jess are they are they chunked up into sets or are you did it doing that continuous ah continuous yeah i get pretty spicy yeah yeah it felt pretty good um yeah and then this morning we did some longer reps so that four by two k um So yeah, just different variations, but I've found i've been training with Brit Haridin, so har cool we run so well together. Like it's crazy. I've actually never had, um yeah, I don't think I've ever had another female where like we are just side by side the whole session.
01:04:13
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It's like our paces are just matched. um it's pretty cool so it's such a good feeling like i've got got a guy like that matt dory up here who we can just lock in together and seemingly it doesn't matter if one of us is having a good day or bad day we still just lock into each other which i don't really understand how that works but it just it's such a nice experience yeah it's so good Um, yeah, so then Wednesday has been a longer cycle. So, um like two hours over some hills, um, which I've found, oh, sorry. So i actually missed gym on Tuesday and another like jog in the elbow.
01:04:53
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Um, yeah. And Wednesday. a big day doing all three. How'd you find that? um I like it. Like I'm used to the double now. I've been doing that for a few years. um And i really like – so I've moved my gym from Wednesday to Tuesday and I've actually really liked um just having like one really big hard day and then Wednesday is like – not as hard.
01:05:19
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yeah um Just a casual two hour ride. Yeah. um Yeah. I don't know. It's funny. I feel like I've actually been training harder um the last few weeks than I have like for a few months, but I feel better.
01:05:35
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So that's great. Who knows? yeah ah Yes. And then Thursday is just like a recovery jog, like an hour. um Friday is a trail session, so like tempo efforts on the trails. So last week we did 2x5k.
01:05:52
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um Saturday is either a cycle or a run depending on if I have my bike or not. There's been a few issues with like my chain fell off the other week and I didn't know how to fix it. So I just went for a run.
01:06:12
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I'm a bit of a newbie with the bike stuff, so still figuring it out. Yeah. And yeah, Sunday is just the long run. I haven't been doing too long of a long run, just like two hours Yeah.
01:06:25
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yeah as' It's great to hear that it's working and yeah you feel like you've turned that quarter. Do you feel like that's a case of just like biding time and and being patient or does it feel like this switch you've made with bringing the cycling and changing off a bit of how the week is?
01:06:40
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Yeah, I think I needed a new stimulus. Like, ah yeah, even though I did switch coaches, I've sort of been doing the same thing for a long time. um And, yeah, I don't know. I think I probably, like, lost a bit of enjoyment. Like, I really think um enjoyment is such a big factor for me. Like, now that I've got, like, a good sort of training set up on a Tuesday, that's made a massive difference to, like, just enjoying the session. And then um I'm loving the bike just as, like, something different, sort So yeah, I think I'm just enjoying the training um and yeah, it's working.
01:07:17
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That's brilliant. It's great to hear. so Coming up to UTA in a couple of weeks for you? Yeah. It's the 20. nice <unk> not I'm sure as as James will attest to, it's not just just a 20. It's still it just still going to hurt. hurts a lot.
01:07:32
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Maybe don't do what James did. But it's it's got to feel nice like coming into a race and actually feeling like you're coming in in a positive place as opposed to still trying to catch up. Yeah.
01:07:43
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Well, another thing is like the stomach issues that I've had um and still had at Buffalo. So I haven't had those in the last few sessions. So I think- Oh, awesome. Positive. Yeah. Have have you found some have you found something there that you've changed or is it just sort of disappeared?
01:08:00
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Um, I've started taking a probiotic. So actually, yeah, it's so funny. Like my mum mentioned that to me and I was like, I sort of brushed it off. I was like, oh no, it's just like hippie stuff like that. It doesn't actually work. And then i was like, oh, I'm just going to try it. Cause I was sort of at the point where I've tried everything.
01:08:20
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Um, and it, it just started working. Like I just, like my digestive system was just like working so much better. um And then I was thinking back to it and like like a couple of years ago there was like a period of time where i was on antibiotics a lot um for like blisters that got infected or like an ear infection so um i think my gut bacteria was just like really bad yeah so and i've yeah the probiotics have helped to like rebuild that like good but gut bacteria
01:08:56
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yeah it's where it really highlights how important in your gut is. Like it does, yeah, it's interesting when you dive into the gut bacteria, it it's the gut microbiome, sorry, side of things and just seeing how it affects so many parts of your body. But that's awesome. I'm really, really happy to hear that for you. I because i feel like going into, i can imagine going into any every race kind of knowing that that's going to be, like your gut's going to play up and you're not going to feel good is a pretty, a quick way to lose enjoyment.
01:09:25
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she sure it's feeling tough like mentally just yeah because it it takes out the fun um so yeah i'm looking forward to eta i think hopefully it should be good yeah no it's exciting i'm i excited to see how you go also on that on that starter course as well i feel like oh yeah i'm excited for you i like even yeah in the 50 last year like that was when i felt my best so look out yeah I like it. It's and ah like it's good to go with some confidence as well. Like you have that familiarity from, from last year. It's a, yeah, I think I would, I would definitely be looking out be on that on that side of course. So yeah, and just pretty going through, through for myself. I think it's been a few weeks, so I've been hitting, ah to be honest, Jess, it's not a dissimilar kind of feeling to yourself where it just seems to start becoming together a bit more again. And yeah,
01:10:18
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able to do more but not but feeling a lot better as well like I've had some ongoing nerve related pain in my leg the one I injured and that seems to be alleviating and so when I go and do something there's a little bit like each each week it steps up I'm not going backwards with that so that's been quite comforting and on Sunday Shiv and I ran up from um from Harriotville to Fedhut so towards Hotham and came back down and it like nothing hurt I cramped because my legs were incredibly deconditioned so that wasn't fun I made it 300 meters from the end of Bungalow Spurb and then and and then I went I could just feel it coming on but that aside it was yeah it was pretty cool it felt it's uh
01:11:01
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a pretty pretty cool feeling to be back up there it's yeah it's been a long time so that's been very fun painful quads still hurt but fun yeah and yeah and actually the running like I'm ah Before the injury, ah i was im pretty high. I've not always been, obviously, because it's table of time, but quite high volume. I remember James and I having a conversation, i think, with Hayden quite few years ago of you guys saying, like, how the hell do you fit that all in? But I don't know. That's always is what's felt felt good for me. And so at the moment, like I'm running five days and about seven hours. And it just feels like at the end of the week, and aside from my legs hurting a bit, like I feel like it's doing nothing and and in the sense of it feels so easy for me to do.
01:11:48
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which given that six months ago I couldn't run is quite a cool thing to be able to say again. So yeah, it's ah it's ah exciting. I'll also be Jess at ah UTA 22. I don't think I'll be seeing you very much. We'll see.
01:12:05
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Yeah, it kind of feels I was going to try and do Alpine Challenge 25K, knowing that I'm in no position to like race. That have been my longest run, but just to kind of tick off being on a start line again and doing an event because it's been so long. But then with the conditions, i was like, I don't really want to go and do that and run in the snow for for not a race. So it'll be fun to... fun to go up there and see what it feels like. Unfortunately, Luke, my coach has said that I have no excuse not to push myself on the uphill, which
01:12:35
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Yeah. So I haven't, haven't, all my sessions have been thresholds and nothing's been hard. So I kind of get to the, I get to the ah end of every workout and I'm like, yeah, sweet, no issues. So the idea of actually getting into an uncomfortable place is a little bit scary again.
01:12:50
Speaker
It's a, which it is, is an and it's an interesting process of just actually how much hard sessions do help you like prepare you for when the race is going to get hard as well. And then also racing to get ready for your race can be really important. Yeah.
01:13:04
Speaker
So when you do your threshold sessions, are they just on the flat? Yeah, so far. um with Locally, we have a a run club called Dawn League, which does a session on every Wednesday morning at the track. So that is run by Matt Dorey. And it alternates what they do. But sort at the moment, every second week is a pretty typical...
01:13:24
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intervals, so like 600s, 800s, Ks. So I've just been going and and doing them, which has been nice to kind of do it with with people. The first, I didn't want to go for a few weeks just so that I could listen to my own body and not get swept up and trying to run with people. I think that was really good. So I've just been doing it on the footpath by our house, which has a little bit of a climb and a little bit of a drop and nothing, nothing much. And then last week ran with Shiv for her session, which was on a bike path, but I don't know, it probably had a hundred meters change over eight k or so. So not, not, not hilly, but just like a little bit undulating.
01:13:59
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So yeah, which is, which has been feeling good. Like I'm still, I'm still not allowed to run downhill quickly, which It's probably also a good thing because I think if I did, I would have cramped a lot earlier than I did on the weekend. But i ah that yeah, we're still kind of having to to slowly reintroduce that, which is, yeah, annoying. But it's just a good reminder that you're also not quite okay yet. So how are you going to approach UTA 20? Because like the start of the race is pretty long downhill.
01:14:26
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Yeah, I think like for me, I will try and feel like I'm jogging down and then ah essentially treat it like a ah warm up into an uphill race, yeah which anyone that's listened to the podcast, especially if you listen to the interview with me on with with Ian Best, is not my idea of my favorite base being an uphill, but it's something that I also want to like put myself into that because I've just built up this narrative over the years that I'm not a good climber.
01:14:52
Speaker
And so that's why I don't like them, but I think it's actually a good way to be like, okay, cool. Well, the the one place I can push right now is uphill. So let's try and break down that narrative that you've got in your head. Um, so Yeah, I think it will be like that.
01:15:03
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Chances are, Jess, you'll watch me absolutely fly off the front and then you'll see me about a K later when I'm limping up the hill. But yeah, the intention is to try and take it it pretty, well, very relaxed down so that I can not not put myself backwards. And also, i just like with next week, we'll do a run.
01:15:23
Speaker
This is really only relevant people that live in Bright, but James, we'll get this. We're going to start at Paul Punker, go down the road and go up Queens Gap Track around to... can't remember the name of the eagle is it eagle peak power peak where bang way yeah yeah um so it's basically start high run down go up just so I've got like that specific stimulus in my leg so it's not quite as big of a shock when it comes to UTA and obviously for Shiv training it's pretty specific for her doing the 50 um so I'm hoping that will give give it the resilience that i need to
01:15:54
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feel okay so yeah no but it's it's exciting i feel like i'm training again which is cool um which yeah as and ah i feel like i don't want to say it but i'm like touching with that i feel like i'm very close to being out of this which is nice as yeah jess you understand from bones uh yeah it it takes a bit to build that confidence back up yeah just trust your body again and what sort of like volume are you at at the moment So yeah, last week, which was the biggest week, that was seven hours across five days, about 2000 meters. And i think it was like 79 or 78 K or so. So like a very solid training week. It's just, it's, it's a little bit weird when ah came from like 140 K, three and a half thousand, 12 hours. Like that's, so it it still feels, it feels very low for where I was.
01:16:48
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um and, yeah. which but like i say that in the sense of it's quite cool that i can do that training which is like a really good training week and just be like yep sweet no issues an very week for you yeah exactly yeah um so no it is it it is cool and that's like with but like and i think that i would probably change things change things now just knowing what we now know about me that we didn't know then but like back then it would be like two quite big threshold sessions plus a big long run and stuff so i think i would definitely not do that density of work now for that same amount of volume i just think that that was probably a bit Not not over the top, but just like I ran bit too close.
01:17:24
Speaker
I would have wondered if I'd actually made it to Buffalo that I was training for in 25, like cooked or not. Like I don't think I would have been injured because normal. Aside from this, I've been very like resilient and my body's been very strong, like skiing and powerlifting kind of creates a pretty good framework.
01:17:42
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But it's, ah yeah, so i don't know. But yeah, it will be interesting to see what what comes back, what I come back to, to see if my endocrinologist has said that I can go back to, and she understands what my previous level training was and said that there's no issue with going back to that once I'm kind of cleared. yeah.
01:18:00
Speaker
It would be nice, although I don't think I can fit that much training in my life now. That's not not not going to happen. i don't I think back to doing doubles like every five days a week and um don't know how I would have any time in the evenings anymore. so because like yeah I used the time last year to really grow coaching and we did the podcast. And so there's like a few things that have filled out my time that I now don't have that space. But i've been this morning I ran 80 minutes with SJ on the local Hill hill and Albury.
01:18:30
Speaker
And I'm curious to see kind of like how I feel doing longer single runs versus doing doubles. So maybe I still get less time total across the week, but rather than doing say 70 plus 45, just doing 80 or 90 minutes and seeing how that feels. Cause like I finished the 80 minutes today with some hills at the end and it,
01:18:48
Speaker
just i don't know there's like no fatigue carry over from it um so yeah and i've always i've always fueled very high like i feel i would have 100 110 grams across today's run so i find that that really helps me bounce back so yeah um i'm i'm getting ahead of myself i think it's what yeah it's it's it's so it's so hard not to like get excited though uh yeah so Cool. All right. so going through some results, Jess, you want to take us through the, uh, the Aussies in action overseas?
01:19:19
Speaker
you have that in front of you Yeah. Um, so we had the world mountain running cup, um, That was in China. So um we had Nathan Pierce and Katinka competing over there. um So there was so if you listened last week's episode with Katinka, they both had to run um in two different races. So there was the uphill and the classic.
01:19:49
Speaker
um and we went into a bit more about what those races were last week, but um we saw Nathan place nineteenthth and Katinka place 18th, so in the uphill. um So some pretty solid results there, but then they both really improved their placing in the classic um which i think so we saw nathan place 11th and kenti katinka placed 10th um which is really awesome results and i think personally like that's probably a result of um the classic being more of a traditional race that we see in australia um we don't have
01:20:31
Speaker
any uphill races really um except for kunani which i don't think it's been on for the last two years so is it's really now it's really just four peaks that you've got that are classic uphill races and again ian best would argue that we need we need to change that because it is also a great gateway for people to get into the sport like from especially like the younger athletes so but yeah it's very few yeah so awesome results there in the classic um i think they were both really happy with that and Walked away with a bit of prize money, so can't complain with that. um
01:21:04
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Yeah, and then we had Madeira 56k. So Billy Curtis had an epic day. um Second place in, yeah, like a pretty prestigious race. That's awesome. um And it's really good to see him with that result because he had a few like really rough races.
01:21:24
Speaker
last year um with some just some freak things that happened. um Yeah, I can't really remember what happened at UTA, but he didn't have a great race there. And then Welds, um he had the allergic reaction to the bees. So, yeah, it's awesome to see him, yeah, just showing the fitness and experience that he's gained from training overseas.
01:21:46
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um And then we had Matt Dunn um place 10th. So awesome result from him as well. Yeah, i was ah I was really happy to see Matt get a top 10 in this field. i think I feel like the last few races he's had a few issues at, so it was really cool to see him get like ah another really – it's kind of hard when Billy comes second, but like that's definitely not to outshine Matt's run to come in 10th on a like ridiculously competitive field.
01:22:12
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and Yeah, awesome to see Aussies do really well there. um Yeah, and then we had Kelly Angel over at Mount Fuji – 100 mile. um So yeah, Kelly hasn't raced 100 miles since UTA last year, I think.
01:22:30
Speaker
um And she placed ninth. So top 10 at, yeah, what I imagine is like a pretty strong field as well. So awesome result. Awesome to see her um doing well over there. And I think whenever you like sort of complete 100 miles and like have a good day like that's just a win in itself because so many things can go wrong um in that sort of distance so yeah yeah that was really cool to see katie get that in oh and then yeah um so we were talking about canyons before we sort of went through the 100k golden ticket race but um
01:23:10
Speaker
There was also some shorter distances. So in the 25K, Alice, the queen in her first trail race, actually won. So she placed first. um Yeah, which is awesome. Like Alice is such a gun. And i think...
01:23:27
Speaker
um she's a real testament to like not having to do like huge amounts of volume to be a really good runner um so she does a lot of Pilates as we know and um a lot of cross training like she she's a gun swimmer um she's a surfer she does a lot of different things so I think She's just like a really well-rounded, um fit, strong person.
01:23:52
Speaker
um So, yeah, really cool. I hope that sparks some like love and interest for her to do some more trail running because I think she'd be great at it. Yeah. you know what You know how much the, uh, her forerunner's classes, her, all those stabilizers. I feel like I've never, never wanted to cry so much in a session as one of them. So yeah her body's definitely probably well made for this. And it was when I was going through the results at Canyons and I just, I was like, oh I wonder who's done the 25K.
01:24:21
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And Alice's name was first. I was like, wait, what? Yeah. That's so cool. And like the second lady wasn't too far behind her, so it must have been a pretty good race, which is cool.
01:24:32
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know if we want to talk about the fifty as well, but um I actually followed a bit of the results from the women's side. And i didn't we didn't have any Australian runners, but um we saw Seidel again, so she came third.
01:24:50
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um in the 50k which is cool and then um lauren gregory stepped up in her first 50k um to play second um um and then another asics sponsored runner um mckenna morley yeah she came first um so yeah i thought that was just yes and standout results from that race as well Yeah, definitely. I think I can't remember that the rest of the men's field, i think Matt Daniels took the win, the 50 K who put career Cassis took out second. so I can't remember the third place there, but I think my Daniels had a pretty, pretty good run for him, which is always good to see.
01:25:31
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Coming local. We had Mount solitary ultra, uh, the men's, which it James, we ever looked at doing this race, like, is this a bond that's ever interested you?
01:25:43
Speaker
I haven't even heard of it. but I just feel like, from what i understand, it's on the slightly more technical side of things up in the Blue Mountains. I just feel like it's quite... Obviously, it's it's an ultra. It's a bit longer. I think it's 46K. But I just feel like it would suit you. But anyway, the Tom Payton took out the win in 4-44-08.
01:25:58
Speaker
Ben Butler, who's having a busy four weeks, he took out second in 4-47-29. And then third Then...
01:26:09
Speaker
If I'm not wrong, I think that Ben is going to be at Wandi Cross as well. Jeez. think I saw him on the list. Busy guy. Very busy guy. Is he in the for twenty seven Is that what you're doing as well?
01:26:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He's ah yeah busy. um In the women's, Anne Hand, she took out the win quite ah substantially. five forty four twenty nine followed by Charlie Simpson and Jessica Schulter there.
01:26:41
Speaker
Rest the race is happening over here. We had the Bottle Bash Trail run up in New South Wales. So the 42K was won by Blair McPherson in the men's, Melinda Prados in the women's, the 21K, Adam Maney and Kylie Lucas. 12K, Benjamin Ryan, Joanna Ryan, which at both the 12K and the 7K, Blake Kadatz and Michelle Kadatz. So I wonder how are they're all related, but kind of obviously the same. might They might not be related. It might just be very coincidental that there's Ryans and Kadatz winning it.
01:27:07
Speaker
um In Victoria, Bright, we had own James Barnett take the win there with Gemma DeCampo in for for the females. In the 9K, Kieran Morley took the win and Jade Hazeldyne took the win for the females, also coming third overall. I coached Jade it was ah cool to see what she could do on the trails. That was that was fun.
01:27:31
Speaker
um and Anything to add, James, from for Bright? No. It was just a fun weekend and I think there were probably the most people in the 3k. So a lot of people use as an intro race. So I thought it was pretty cool to say.
01:27:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. i've i've I've always loved what the race is like the fundraise for the school. Like I think I saw your post today saying it's one of your favorite races on the calendar. Um, it's, it's just got, it's got a great, a great vibe. Like if you happen to be in bright when the event's on or even make the trip for it, like it's an awesome event.
01:28:01
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Yeah, and you've got Bad Rock running as well. so Yeah, which depending on if you know Bad Rock or not could be positive or a negative, but he's pretty he's pretty good on the mic. um In Queensland, we had the Brisbane Trail Marathon. So Liam Tirans took the win and the men's and Beth McKenzie took the win for the females, also coming third overall. 25K, Mark Robinson took the win. Lenja Wiltox, with Locke, sorry, took the win for the females. And then the Walkabout Creek Trail Run, Sasha Lepin took the win there for the men's and Miwa Kolb took the win for the women's.
01:28:31
Speaker
Then lastly, the Sri Chimnoy Canberra Trail Series, the Kulamon Clip. Thomas Banks took the win in the 9.6K and Britt Harridan took the win for the females and also came second overall. Jess, you got anything more to add for that one?
01:28:46
Speaker
Yeah, just pretty crazy. like Britt was um crewing someone in... ah backyard ultra is it the gumby that was on yes um so she said over like the weekend she had about four hours of sleep and she just like drove back to canberra did the race drove back dry so oh wow yeah wow okay it's ah yeah it's it's it's impressive what's what's next for brit you know
01:29:21
Speaker
I think she's just doing some local ones. Like she's kind of had a bit of like a rough trot like since – and Razorback because she broke her wrist in that race. So she didn't run for a while. um So she's just sort of getting back into it.
01:29:42
Speaker
um And she's super busy with her PhD. So um I think she's just going to race locally yeah for a while. Cool. Exciting. think ah Coming up this weekend, it's another busy one.
01:29:56
Speaker
Domestically, not so much internationally. We've got Diverge Skyrun down in Taz. Again, check out the preview that Brody and I did for that one. is Also, Brody sat down with Lincoln, so he's done about half an hour's worth of course previews and a bit of a rundown into why he's brought this Skyrun to Australia. Over in South Australia, we have the Icarat Ultra in Victoria. We've got the Wilsons Prom Running Festival I could access the participant list for that. So a couple of names in you've got Jared Owen and Bo Mars. 50K is going to be a cool women's battle between Jazz Vollmer, Stacey Hogan and Jane Bucklow. And then 27K, Michael Chapman's name popped up.
01:30:32
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You've got the Nail Can Hill Run here in Albury, New South Wales, the Forest Trail Run, New South Wales, as well as the Trail Run Australia, Tomari, Tomari. Then you've Hamilton Island, Hilly Half Marathon in Queensland, Hidden Vale Trail Running Festival also in Queensland, and then the OMFG Trail Running Festival in WA, which I do love the some of the names we get.
01:30:52
Speaker
Wonderful. Guys, that's the show. James, thank you very much for jumping on. We'll stay on if you have time a little bit for the the Patreon show after this. It won't be too much longer, but it's been great to introduce to the audience and it been been fun to have the chat.
01:31:08
Speaker
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's been great. I've been waiting.
01:31:13
Speaker
Fair enough. We've potentially waited a bit long, but Jess, is lovely as always and it' ah it's great to hear that you're in a good place. Thanks, guys. Before you go, thanks again to ASICS for supporting the show.
01:31:25
Speaker
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