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The Strangler and the CopyCat
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In January 1979, one of the notorious Hillside Stranglers was caught in Bellingham, Washington, ending a deadly spree that terrorized the West Coast. But the story didn’t end there. While he sat behind bars, a young woman plotted a chilling copycat attack, hoping to keep the killings alive and free him. The victim survived, but the dark intentions behind the crime left the town wondering… how far would someone go for obsession?
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to Beneath the Evergreens, where murder, mysteries, and mayhem lurk in the shadows of the Pacific Northwest. I'm Jess. And I'm Anna. From haunted forests and unsolved disappearances, to true crime cases buried deep in the moss and the mist, we're digging into the dark secrets hiding under the evergreens.
00:00:19
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Each episode will explore real cases, eerie encounters, and the legends that keep the Pacific Northwest up at night. So grab your flashlight, lock your doors, and join us beneath the evergreens.
Thanksgiving Chit-Chat
00:00:54
Speaker
Well, welcome to episode nine and happy Turkey day. Happy Turkey day. What's your favorite Thanksgiving food? Cranberries. I love cranberries. That is the first time, honestly, i could ever, i ever heard someone say cranberries first.
00:01:08
Speaker
No, like I love fresh cranberries, like a homemade sauce. I love like the, the tin ones, like give me all the cranberries. I love tin. Speaking of cranberry, I did see a Starbucks drink that said cranberry white mocha.
00:01:24
Speaker
Don't know how I feel about it, but cranberry bliss bars. Have you had one of those? Oh, yes. Those are life changing. Yes. I love the bitterness of the cranberry. Like I feel like it just pairs so nice with lot of other things.
00:01:35
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Correct. Also a little bitter myself. So it fits. No, you're not.
00:01:42
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little bit. little bit. No. I'm trying to think. I'm like, is Anna bitter? And I'm like, I've never once thought that of her. What am I missing? Save it all f***ing.
00:01:54
Speaker
Redacted. No, no. Listen to this and be like, yeah, she is.
00:02:04
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What's your favorite Thanksgiving food? Oh, that's hard. um I'm going to have to go with mashed potatoes. Classic. I love mashed potatoes.
00:02:15
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Do you like like garlicky mashed potatoes or like cheesy mashed potatoes? Just like plain? um Well, I make mashed potatoes with like cream cheese. So I like cream cheese. o Yeah, we're pretty much traditionalist here. We don't we don't get a little too crazy. One time I did get a little crazy and added chives and Emma tried to revolt. So that didn't work well.
00:02:39
Speaker
I'm a big fan of garlic and basically everything. And I made mashed potatoes with my grandma once. And I believe she said I was trying to kill her with the amount of garlic that I was trying to put in.
00:02:52
Speaker
Nothing wrong with that. You just want to make sure everyone smells, you know. Exactly. Just trying to protect everyone's heart. supposed to be good for your heart health. Heart health? I like that. I also, isn't it good for like colds or is that onions don't people like put garlic or onions or something on their feet okay we've gone down a hole a rabbit hole not mel's hole but a hole
00:03:19
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i'll be here all for the rest of the podcast so you just wait this is gonna be great what happens with the two podcast days we get kind of delirious but i think A little loosey-goosey
Introducing the Hillside Strangler Case
00:03:30
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today. wo But ah Anna has a story that I'm excited to hear.
00:03:36
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Yes. So this story is actually a super well-known story. Okay. But we're going to talk about the Washington side of it, which isn't quite as well-known. Ooh, okay. I like this. So, Jessie, have you heard of the Hillside Strangler before?
00:03:54
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I have heard of this person. Yes. Well, it's actually two people. So for everyone that does not know, the Hillside Strangler, this ah kind of anonymous figure for most of their reign of terror, was a serial killer in the Los Angeles area who actually killed about 10 people. um they All women strangled them, sexually assaulted them, and then left them on the side of highways, all or in LA, Glendale area. That's so sweet.
00:04:25
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Oh, yeah. it's It's awesome. In the night in the late 1970s. So within a couple years span, 10 women were killed. And it really like it terrorized the city of Los Angeles. like There were task forces created to try it and stop to try to stop to stop them. But there was just no leads. like the The city had no idea who was committing all of these murders. Mm-hmm.
00:04:44
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um and it was it was a really big deal but then they just kind of just kind stopped they just kind of trickled away and no one really knew why like they were still investigating and they were every time there was a murder in the area the police were trying to connect like was it was the hillside strangler was it not but they still just had they had no el leads and the murders were pretty cleanly um like executed if you will like not a ton of evidence was left behind but it was more just like a ah horrible scary event that took place and just terrorized the city for years especially women in the city for years yeah and it wasn't like they were specifically targeting certain demographics like there were there were some demographics of women that were at a higher likelihood of being victims of the hillside strangler but there's also just women that were kind of going about their own business like just just kind of normal everyday people that were were being targeted
00:05:39
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I hate that. That makes it even scarier because you just can't like even hope that it won't it like it could be you. Exactly. And I feel like with the like the 10 people over two years, it's like just enough that you're you're on edge all the time. Right. And it's not you can't see a clear pattern.
00:05:55
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By the the very late 1970s, the murders in the l LA area kind of trickled off. And not for the sake of the story, I'm going to to jump ahead a little bit and tell you who the Hillside Stranglers were, just so we can start connecting this story to Washington.
Unmasking Bianchi and Buono
00:06:13
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Okay. So the Hillside Stranglers were two cousins, Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono. They were adoptive cousins actually they weren't um technically related but um angelo was a bit older he already lived in los angeles and kenneth was kind of bouncing around a bunch of different areas he grew up on the east coast um but after his dad died he finished school he came out to l la to live with his cousin and now both of these guys were not the most outstanding of citizens um
00:06:51
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Kenneth had kind of all the early signs of a serial killer, if I'm being honest. Like, yeah, like hindsight 2020. Like all every single sign you can think of, this man had it.
00:07:03
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And so he had all these like this like serial killer kind of disposition. Well, not the brightest tool in the she That's where his cousin Angelo came in. Also had some similar the similar disposition. He was very much the brains of the operation, though.
00:07:18
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These two cousins, they're kind of bouncing around. Kenneth is actually applying to the police academies while he's actively murdering women. Yes. And then eventually he, his girlfriend becomes pregnant.
00:07:34
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He, yes, he had a girlfriend. That's the part that honest to God, Jesse, always gets me is that how do all of these serial killers or how are they in relationships? And their partner is not like,
00:07:47
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Hey, you're a little weird. Like, something's... Something's going on here. Yeah, like, suspiciously gone at odd hours of the night. um You're a little shady about certain things. And...
00:07:58
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maybe Maybe it's not very all that simple. Maybe they're really good at hiding it, but it yeah it's odd to me. Or maybe she was just relieved that he was gone. Like, thank God. Trying to get the vibe that she maybe didn't like him all that much, but she needed him at that point. she didn't She couldn't be a single mom, maybe couldn't afford it, maybe didn't need the support.
Bianchi's Move and Capture
00:08:22
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um And he was there.
00:08:25
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However, did eventually get fed up with kind of his lack of direction and always being away at strange times. um And she decided to move home to her family in Bellingham, Washington.
00:08:42
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ah And this is where the Hillside Strangler makes his Washington debut. And actually what led to the capture of the Hillside Stranglers.
00:08:53
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Because they were completely unknown until until Kenneth came to Washington. His girlfriend didn't actually really invite him to Washington. He decided to follow them to be closer to the family because after his son was born.
00:09:05
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And he didn't have a ton of skills, but he did have some experience as a security guard. So when he got to Bellingham... He was working out a security guard like as a security guard for Whatcom security company. Okay. He was also working um on and off, it sounds like, as a security guard at a Fred Meyer.
00:09:28
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I don't – okay. I feel like there's a weird, strange correlation between security guards and criminal behavior. I'm just going to leave that there. Yeah. I almost feel like it's a power complex. Like, they like to have control, and you can have that with authority, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:09:43
Speaker
Okay. It's very strange to me as well. and when he was at Fred Meyer, he but he met a lot of people. He had a lot of coworkers. And for those of you that don't know, Western Washington University is in Bellingham.
00:09:58
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So there's a lot of students kind of scattered around the city. And while working at Fred Meyer, he actually met a Western Washington student named Karen Mantic. So Kenneth still has a lot of these homicidal preferences and tendencies. And when he left Los Angeles, when he left his cousin, those didn't just go away.
00:10:19
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Okay, so the cousins split. They split up. because Yes, Angelo stayed in Los Angeles and Kenneth came up to to Bellingham. And which one was the smart one again? Angelo. Okay. Yes. Okay. So Kenneth, the not quite as bright one, he came up to Washington and he started plotting to murder some women up here as well.
00:10:41
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So unfortunately... karen mandick one of his co-workers at fred meyer will will be one of his victims he offered to pay her and diane wilder another student at western to guard a house that was going to be empty for a weekend for him that he was going to pay them like 100 bucks each whenever a man asks you to do something especially guard Yeah. Although Diane Wilder is a beautiful name. right I do love that name. Right.
00:11:14
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And it's in like, it's in a rural area of Bellingham too. So these, these girls, they, they trusted him enough to take him up on his offer, but Kenneth in all his glory gave them quite a bit of advance notice and did not,
00:11:33
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he knew They knew his real name and they told their friends, hey, yeah, Ken is going to pay us a hundred bucks to go watch this house for the people that are out of town. Oh my gosh. I bet they're so excited too because they're like college students. Yeah. And a hundred bucks for like a couple nights of watching this house in the eighties, that's a solid amount of money.
00:11:55
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And if you're living in a dorm room on campus, that's like, like cherry on top. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. um So, and fortunately these girls go to watch the house one night. It's actually during Karen's break from working at Fred Meyer. She's going to take a longer lunch.
00:12:14
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watch watch the house for a little bit and then come back to work the rest of her shift. But she never came back. And immediately people are raising alarm bells. Like this is a situation where the community just seemed like they were so tight knit and they were, they were so aware that, Hey, this is abnormal. We are going to just raise every single alarm that we can.
00:12:35
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Police were on it really quickly. Campus police were on it really quickly. And By the next morning, everyone had been notified and everyone was starting just like continuing to search for them Like people had already started searching the night before.
00:12:48
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Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. And unfortunately, the girls were found strangled in the back of a car on a ah rural road, not too far from the house that they were going to be watching.
00:13:03
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I hate that. Right. But like I said, they had told their friends that, hey, kenneth offered offered us money to do this so police are immediately like this is sketch we're gonna go grab this guy and they were they knew pretty quickly that he was he was their guy like his stories his stories were ever changing this guy was so inconsistent and when they when they saw that he had just come up from california and the mo seemed very suspicious to other cases that were seen in los angeles They make a phone call down, down there and immediately they're connecting the dots.
00:13:43
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Like Jesse and I tell you so quickly, they're like, okay, this this has got
Copycat Plot and Compton's Conviction
00:13:47
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to be our guy. Good. That silver lining, I guess. Right. And there's a lot of circumstantial evidence in this case.
00:13:57
Speaker
Um, but everything seems to be coming together really quickly. And there's, I mean, there's footprints in the house that match. Um, both the girls and Kenneth's. His jacket was found in the back of a in the back of the like the security guard station he was supposed to be at, kind of like hidden in the woods like he was trying to hide it. oh His alibi just crumbles immediately under questioning. like This guy is so guilty.
00:14:25
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So guilty and everyone can see it. So he is pretty quickly charged for their murders and He initially pleads not guilty by reason of insanity.
00:14:38
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And he's claiming that he has multiple personalities. However, these multiple personalities are quite convenient. I would have. Yeah. Like they're able to manipulate him in.
00:14:52
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Oh, you know, people with multiple personalities usually have three or more. And then a magically a third one appears. Like. ah So he he was going along with like, oh, this is me. But then there's a serial killer me. And then they were like, oh, but there needs to be a third. And he's like, oh, and this is the little kid version of me.
00:15:09
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Yes. Like. Okay. This guy is just. It's almost like a slam dunk for police because they're like evidently more and more is piling up that he is their guy. Yeah.
00:15:20
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And eventually it is deemed that he is capable of standing trial. And in order to avoid a death penalty, he does plead guilty and actually ah turns in his cousin.
00:15:34
Speaker
And. Oh, wow. When I tell you after his plea was in 30 minutes later, police in l L.A. were arresting his cousin. That is good. Okay. Yeah. they were that's really fast all cow yes They were all over this case. And I think that's really a testament to just how scared everyone down there was. Like, yeah, these, these guys were just terrorizing an entire city and like so much press and coverage was on it that, yeah, they were, they were caught rather quickly. And then it trials just progressed through there. And there was, there was really no coming back from it. They didn't have much of a defense. They did it. And that that was that. um There was a strange thing with jurisdiction because he did. Kenneth did commit a bunch of murders down in California and then also up in Washington.
00:16:23
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um But. The next interesting Washington tie that I'm going to tell you about. um Actually, again, starts when he's down in California awaiting trial down there.
00:16:35
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A. woman named Veronica Compton goes to chat with him. She is LA artist. She's writing a screenplay on a serial killer and wants his input on her characterization.
00:16:51
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is she for real or is this like for fake? I think it's for real. I haven't heard anything that's for fake and it kind tracks. It's at least my vision of l LA. Like everyone's ah was writing a screenplay, writing a book. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Okay. So,
00:17:06
Speaker
She meets him in prison and they're growing closer. And maybe it's her looking for something. Maybe it's him being a little conniving. But they develop feelings for each other.
00:17:19
Speaker
And then they start to concoct a plan to trick investigators into thinking that the hillside strangler is still out and they have gotten the wrong guys. No. Oh, my.
00:17:31
Speaker
Yes, ma'am. Yes. So this idea involved Veronica actually committing murder and then Kenneth smuggling his semen out of prison so that Veronica could plant it on the person that she kills. But it's his semen.
00:17:52
Speaker
i know. I told you, not the smart cousin.
00:17:58
Speaker
What? a Yes. ah But this is their grand plan. And... Veronica, like, she follows through. she ends up going up to Bellingham where she is dead set on finding a woman to kill in the exact same way that Kenneth would.
00:18:16
Speaker
So she goes to a local bar and she's talking to people and she ends up meeting a woman named Kim Breed. So, her and Kim are of similar age, and they're having fun. They're chatting.
00:18:30
Speaker
They kind of do some bar hopping. They meet up with some of Kim's other friends, and they end up getting close. And by the end of the night, Veronica is able to lure Kim back to her hotel room under the guise of getting drugs or something something like that.
00:18:47
Speaker
don't know. Okay. Once there, Veronica... ties Kim up and attempts to strangle her however Kim is bigger and stronger than Veronica and is like while she's like getting choked unconscious is able to fight back and she ends up escaping like holy cow yeah good for her good for her yeah but Veronica she quickly dips she is out of there However, she goes back home.
00:19:17
Speaker
She goes back home and Kim is able to give a very good description of the woman that attempted to murder her. And not long long not long after, Veronica is found and she's extradited back to Washington.
00:19:31
Speaker
What in the world is... Yes. Oh my god. Yes. So at this point... it doesn't sound like there's much back and forth between her and kenneth like after she's imprisoned it sounds like communication kind of stops yeah um but in 1981 she was actually sentenced to a life sentence with the possibility of parole so no absolutely not no um however it gets it gets crazier jesse
00:20:02
Speaker
So in 1988, so she's been in prison for six, seven years. She escapes. She escapes prison by clipping through fences with pruning shears.
00:20:15
Speaker
um Who gave her pruning shears? why Why does she have none? So she's gone for about a week and a half, and then she's found again and taken back to prison. God. Is this still in Washington? Yeah, she's ah out in Gig Harbor.
00:20:31
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Like Purdy or whatever? Yeah. so have mercy she's So she escapes, she's brought back, and then didn't really help her chances of parole at that point.
00:20:43
Speaker
But in 1996, so about eight years later, she is paroled. However, she she very quickly fails to comply with the terms of her release and is then sent back to prison.
00:20:58
Speaker
So what is happening? Okay. Yeah. Um, and as far as I can tell, she in 2001, that was the last record I found of her being in prison. So she's been at least 20 years in prison for this attempted murderer that this true murderer had kind of pushed her into doing.
00:21:21
Speaker
That is wild.
Veronica Compton's Life Post-Conviction
00:21:22
Speaker
But while she was in prison, she met a man he was a professor at eastern a retired professor from eastern washington university and they end up getting married and she has a a child while in prison wait wait how but what how she she gets married while in prison how did they meet i that i don't know okay i do not know okay um but um i did find an article in the seattle times where she was trying to convince the parole board That um she should be she should be released. And she talked a lot about her her child and her husband. How she wanted to go live with him in Seattle.
00:22:05
Speaker
And how all the other inmates were calling her a model prisoner. And Jesse, it is it's wild to me. But at the same time, Kenneth, he is he has been in Walla Walla, the state military over there, for many, many years. And he actually got married as well.
00:22:28
Speaker
So happened they both found their happily ever afters, even though it was not with each other. I hate that. I feel like I don't wish them that happiness. Right.
00:22:41
Speaker
yeah And that's about all that I could find about Veronica. But I so I've heard the story of the Hillside Strangler so many different times. Right.
00:22:52
Speaker
um Sure. Like I feel like every true crime podcast has done something about them. But I had never heard about Veronica at all. Like never. No. so So this story, fun fact, I was starting to do it about um Karen and Diane and trying to dig a little bit more into into their story and what happened with them.
00:23:12
Speaker
Not a ton of information there, but when I was looking into it, there was a – I found some information on Veronica kind of, like, offhandedly. And just – I paused and I was like, am I reading this correctly?
00:23:25
Speaker
They smuggled semen out of prison so she could commit a murder? What? i want to know what that was like. Like, how – Was he just, did he come into the room with this? Did he so do this in the room? I was not able to confirm this with another source, but one source said that he put his semen in some capacity in a glove, in like a nitrile glove, yeah put it in a book, and then gave it back gave it to her when she came to visit him.
00:23:59
Speaker
Look, I'm just saying, ladies, let's set our sights a little higher. Yes. You were there to write a screenplay and now you're getting a book with semen in a glove? yeah Like, to where?
00:24:16
Speaker
what Yeah. Yeah. And I know a lot of times there can be some coercion in cases like this, but i still feel like there's a point.
00:24:29
Speaker
Like, you're you're actively about to commit, you're about to kill someone. for this man that's that is craziness and you put someone through serious trauma um and like he took someone multiple people's lives away yes and you're trying to get him out like he's not going to do this to you like absolutely it's what is going on it's bonkers but that is that is my story for you today
00:24:59
Speaker
did i'm in shock it's wild right and she just has been kind of floating under the radar since like i can't tell if she's out if she is actually she was actually living with her husband in seattle um but she she like changed her name yeah i that's bizarre yeah yeah kind of the the untold side of this very popular case and i thought it was i love the washington ties were interesting Everything comes back to Washington. i had no idea.
00:25:33
Speaker
had no idea that that was like part of it. I didn't know that the the Hillside Strangler was solved because of Washington. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. This is interesting. I think that I remember listening to another podcast talk about the Hillside Strangler and make an offhanded comment about, come about,
00:25:56
Speaker
kenneth coming to washington and i distinctly remember thinking why are they always coming here like what is it about this place so kind of a fun full circle moment like five years later actually doing a podcast about true true crime and weird occurrences in washington i love that it's so sad too because bellington bellingham is such a beautiful city i've never been there in the area around they're so gorgeous you've never been there Oh, my gosh. that we Put that on the road trip list. It's one of the most beautiful. and Like, even the drive up there is gorgeous. Really? I love it so much. Yeah. Yeah, we do need to go.
00:26:34
Speaker
Yes, let's do it. Well, that was a fantastic story. I'm like, I don't know how to respond. Like, I i feel like my endorphins are, like, exploding in my brain. Like, yeah. Yeah. what Wait, what? It's like okay boom, boom, boom. like It can't get any weirder. And I feel like i feel like with the stories that we've been talking about recently, like last week too, yeah it just is like keeps leveling up and you're like, am i hearing this correctly? like people like That thought process actually worked for people?
00:27:03
Speaker
Yeah. i Also, what is going on? Why are we allowing people to like interview serial killers and like not keeping an eye on those interactions? Yes.
00:27:14
Speaker
Yes. I mean, like, clearly Kenneth has some type... He might be not... Like, he might be a little, you know, not not the brightest bulb in the box, but clearly he has some type of sway if he's able to get these women in these situations that are somewhat compromising. It doesn't sound like...
00:27:32
Speaker
karen it doesn't sound like karen and diane necessarily like they weren't like prostitutes or or putting themselves in harm's way they were just like oh we're gonna have this house for the weekend gonna be fantastic you have have some type of charisma to like pull people in exactly mean i don't think i've met many serial killers hopefully any serial like serial killers but given the background like It sounds like he had a really rough childhood and with everything that he was experiencing, like like he had a lot of like personality disorders like psychosis.
00:28:04
Speaker
And I have a hard time imagining someone who has gone through all that being so charismatic and personable. Yeah. How are you enticing people in or is there just these small fragments of when he can pretend to be human and like draw you in? Yeah.
00:28:22
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe you can just turn it on for a little bit like a a weird mask if you will. I hate that. Right? I hope I've never met any serial killers either. I used to when I was on the the apps, the dating apps, I used to be like, are you a serial killer? And then spell it with like a C. like as That's like really funny. How'd that work for you?
00:28:42
Speaker
Not fucking great because I met some really bad people. Not bad people, just really interesting people.
Wrap-up and Listener Engagement
00:28:50
Speaker
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00:29:11
Speaker
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00:29:29
Speaker
That's it for today's dive into the dark corners of the Pacific Northwest. If you loved the stories or shivered a little, be sure to subscribe and follow so you don't miss what's lurking beneath the evergreens next time. Thanks for joining us on Beneath the Evergreens. We appreciate you diving into the mysteries with us.
00:29:44
Speaker
Until next time, keep your eyes open. And your door is locked.