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Ramtha: A Cult as Old as Time Part II
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Born from a lineage of chaos and tragedy, Judith “JZ” Knight claimed her suffering forged a doorway to the extraordinary. From spectral orbs to dreams of past lives, she believed her childhood nightmares were not just trauma but prophecy. One night, amid experiments with “pyramid power,” she said a forgotten god-king from 35,000 years ago appeared in her kitchen and never quite left. And from that moment on, Judy wasn’t just a survivor, she was the voice of Ramtha.
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Introduction to 'Beneath the Evergreens'
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So welcome to Beneath the Evergreens, where murder, mysteries, and mayhem lurk in the shadows of the Pacific Northwest. I'm Jess. And I'm Anna. From haunted forests and unsolved disappearances to true crime cases buried deep in the moss and the mist, we're digging into the dark secrets hiding under the evergreens.
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Each episode will explore real cases, eerie encounters, and the legends that keep the Pacific Northwest up at night. So grab your flashlight, lock your doors,
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and join us beneath
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Welcome
Exploring Jay-Z Knight's Journey with Ramtha
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back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, to Beneath the Evergreens. This is episode number four, part two of Jay-Z Knight and the Ramthas School of Enlightenment.
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Again, you heard that right. This is part two. So if you haven't heard part one, please go back and listen to that episode or this episode will not make any sense at all.
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For those of you who did survive part one, congratulations. You now understand how a traumatized New Mexican girl became the mouthpiece for a 35,000 year old lumarianian warlord Just as a refresher, where we left off, Jay-Z Knight um is an incredible saleswoman. She's an entrepreneur. She's doing a lot of things. She might also be experiencing some pretty severe generational trauma and maybe some potential mental disorders, but that's neither here nor there. What is important, though, is that she has become a vessel for 35,000-year-old spirit,
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spirit named Ramtha and Ramtha uses Jay-Z Knight as a vessel, like I previously stated, and together they are enlightening the world.
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However, Jay-Z Knight has been struggling over some periods of time with truly accepting her fate as the vessel of the enlightened warrior. um But where we left off last time was that she finally understands she is the chosen one.
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And what does she choose to do with her new elevated status? Well, grab your coffee because things are about to get weird After she's decided that she's the chosen one, um it's around December 1978.
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And she starts getting calls saying, hey, will you come speak at my church? One such place in particular, the first time she ever spoke in public was at the Rama Center. Again, i can't find, can't find this.
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And I find it very interesting that Ramtha, Rama Center, like, are we just making up stuff now? i don't know. So she gets called by the Rama center. They say, Hey, can you come speak? And she says, Oh, how did you find me? Little old me.
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Of course I'll come speak for you. I'm not really sure what you want me to say, but of course I'll come speak at your, your establishment. So she's thinking it's going to be five people, her and her husband show up. It ends up being 30.
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So she starts her little speech and then she doesn't really know what to do. So she just gives herself over to Ramza.
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And she says it's only 30 seconds. She goes. But she had the how-to guide for profits. What do you mean doesn't know to say? Well, apparently she needs men to tell her her name and, you know, go through her to tell tell the world about enlightenment.
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She gives herself over to Ramtha. She says it felt like 30 seconds. She actually goes into this otherworldly place where it's all just bright lights and just she's nothing but everything all at once.
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Which is actually kind of interesting. The way she was describing it really, have you ever heard the stories of people that die for a little bit? Then they come back and they talk about this unknown where it's like this beautiful place.
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ah sea your yeah That's essentially what she's describing is that she's everything. She's nothing. She's in this but like luminary space, whatever. Then she comes back to life.
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When she comes back to life, there's people literally kissing her feet. on their hands and knees in front of her, kissing her feet. There's people crying in the crowd. There's people just looking at her with reverence and with awe.
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And her husband, she looks at her husband. She's like, what's going on? And he's like, well, the Ram was here. And he, you know, talked for 30 minutes and these people, you know, really responded greatly to it. And she's like, oh, crazy.
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Very crazy. So now she's saying she's only like 80% bought and tarantha but during this time after the rama speech she apparently her phone's getting blown up people are wanting to talk to her all the time people are just randomly stopping by her house she's letting them in she's cooking them food she's giving them drinks and then she's saying oh these spiritual freeloaders are just exhausting me she literally refers to them as spiritual freeloaders oh my god yeah
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To which I say her, her true personality started to like pop out a little bit more.
Monetization of Spiritual Teachings
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She's like quoting people as spiritual freeloaders. She's also like has this alter ego. She's also still referring to herself in this very, like, I am just holy. i am just this innocent and lovely person. These things just happen to me, but you know, because they're happening to me, I'm able to make this great life X, Y, and z So it's very like narcissist, very cult leader already.
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So one day she's like, I just can't take these spiritual freeloaders anymore. So she takes takes the phone off the hook. um She puts a sign on the door that says, do not disturb. She goes to take a nap.
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But before she takes a nap, Ramtha appears. And he says, good lady, maybe you're so tired because you're not charging. You need to charge for your services.
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You need to charge gold, in fact, for your services. Gold? And she says, but Ramtha, we don't have gold as currency anymore. A lot has changed in the 35,000 years since you've been here.
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And he says, well, ask for that money that you speak of. Also, while she's like talking about Ramtha, he talks in like a very interesting way. It's like, you Doth lady are, should be charging for your time and gold pieces. Like just really, it's bizarre.
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And so she says, well, how much should I charge? And he says, $100 person per session.
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Which is a very easy cop out to just say I want my monies. I want my coins. i've I really wish that we were going to share the video for this episode because I feel like it's just me being like what?
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What? Yeah, your mouth just keeps dropping lower and lower and lower. I feel like um my face has never been this expressive in my life. Yeah, she's Yeah. So um on the guidance of Brompa, she decides that she is in fact going to start charging people, even though she's, you know, only still 80% sure that he's really real and helping her out.
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How convenient. Yeah. So then she has her first speaking engagement. Someone calls her again and she's like, oh my God. Well, if you want me to come to your place of worship, you're going to have to pay me $100 per person.
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And they say, great. Can you come on Tuesday? So this is when she really starts to kick into high gear. She starts doing like her tours, getting paid for this. And she, during this time, she's still like, I'm not really sure.
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Whatever, whatever, whatever. But there's this one pivotal moment where she really buys in 100%. This is when she truly believes in all that. And this is when her son comes inside one day after playing on his bike and his hands are like scraped up. They're all swollen. They're red. He's crying. He's like, oh my gosh, I think I broke my phalanges.
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Fingers, not phalanges because he's a child. And he comes in and she's like freaking out as a mother. She's like, I'm taking you to the hospital right now. um We're going to the hospital. And he's like, yes, please take me. My hands are so bad.
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But then Ramtha appears and says, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I can fix it. All I'm going to need you to do is sit down and you're going to ask your son these questions.
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And depending on how he answers, I can either fix it or I can not fix it. So essentially he says, master insert name. Do you believe in God?
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Her son says, yes. And he says, master insert name. Do you believe that God lives within you and that you are God? To which the son says, why yes.
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And he says, the God that is within you has healed you. And so it is. And voila, the hands are completely fixed. They're back to normal. No scrapes, no swollen, no broken fingers.
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Everything is normal. Everything is great.
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And that is when she says, I fully believed in Ramtha and we are now bff's for life. We have matching, you know, friendship bracelets, maybe even necklaces at this point, maybe even the rings.
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They are spiritually married, spiritually enmeshed at this point. And so she says, you know what? I am actually going to take this show on the road. And so she goes, she starts going to New York and doing gigs.
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In fact, when she was in New York, um, the Philadelphia Inquirer did a media coverage on her. what They specifically called out how this lady must be, you know, doing very, very well because she's wearing fur coats and she's very glamorous and she's doing all those things.
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And this is when she says, Oh, I didn't even buy the fur coat. My husband bought that for me, first of all. And second of all, How dare you media outlets? Because my, my life is nothing but sanctity. in fact, I don't even want to be famous.
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I don't even want to be doing this. I just happen to be the chosen one that this enlightened figure wants to speak through and tell the masses about his greatness and his goodness.
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To which I say, ah why are you charging a hundred dollars on my friend? That's what he told her. She's just following orders, Jesse. yeah hobb yeah Like chill out.
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So then she says, I'm just, Oh, I get it now. I get it. I am just so bright that I just bring out these deep, dark shadows and these deep, dark shadows shadows are the media that just want to attack my character because they don't understand me. And all that is me.
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Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's real fun.
Founding of the Ramtha School of Enlightenment
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So then she goes, it's the She goes on this network TV show and this is where really she she takes off. People start flocking to her.
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I think it's the Mel Griffin show that she goes on. I watched a clip on YouTube and I highly recommend that you do it. Maybe I'll link it in the show notes that we have, but she is acting wily as shit.
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Wiley. Wiley. Like, she comes in and she does this, like, o little little thing. I wish people could see that because there was movement to that sound effect. And then she turns into this, like, otherworldly presence. Again, she's talking in this weird accent now. And she's like, oh, guy, like, let me tell you about life. And it's, she's, like, almost drunk, like, acting like she's drunk. It's, and the guy's trying to ask her questions. And she's like, like, throwing her...
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She it's deranged, deranged, but people think this is real and they start, you know, flocking to her. And because they start flocking to her in the early 1980s, she develops Ramtha school of enlightenment.
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Quick question. Are Jay-Z and Ramtha the same person? Or is are they separate entities? That is a great question. So there's... Jay-Z Knight is her own person. And then Ramtha, in theory, is his own person.
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Okay. And that he comes into her body as a vessel and speaks the word of enlightenment. Okay. Okay. And then when she speaks in...
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When Ramtha is speaking through her um or her psychosis is speaking, I don't know. She changes her gait. So she she oh does this like weird, like talking like this.
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When I say like this, my head's like bent down and she's like looking up at people through her eyes. Yeah, and she her she has an accent, she like ah like this weird English, Irish, American kind of accent, like like almost transatlantic, like an English transatlantic accent. It's very odd.
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Fascinating. Okay. It is very fascinating. So um again, in the mid-1980s, Jay-Z and I kind of graduated from local oddity.
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kooky kind of person going on TV shows with this weird kind of vibe. But now she started ramped the school of enlightenment in Neal Washington. Again, the doors open for, for this in 1988 and around 250 students are like kind of a core group, but she's pulling in tens of thousands of ah followers worldwide.
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um Again, the the weekends cost about two 1000 to 2000 per weekend at this point, as she's getting going, Um, oh and it's just this, it's a pivotal point here where she goes from more of a seminar person, um, where you come, you listen to her speak and it's really turning more into people are using this almost as a a religion, a pseudo religion or like a way of life.
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You know, this is where lizard people come in. Um, and she's talking about, you know, upper echelons of society being taken over by these lizard people. She starts these spiritual things.
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boot camps and intense intensive I would call them therapy sessions where students come in for up to 16 hours and Ramza is just talking through her for these 16 hours are we talking 16 hours straight or they're like six hours straight like oh my god crazy things and this is when students are being trained in Mind over manner, manifestation, um and and of course, it's it's all guided by this enlightened figure, Ramtha, who's like that 35,000-year-old warrior. He's ascended, and he wants to teach um people how to stay alive um when the lizard people attack.
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So some of these teachings, there's this breathing technique called C&E, which I didn't find a lot on it because it's quote unquote patent. I don't know how you can patent breathing techniques, but she did.
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um But it from what it sounds like, it's like a six count situation where you breathe in for four seconds, you hold it for four seconds, and then you breathe out for six.
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And this is actually like common practice in like yoga and other kind of meditation techniques. Yeah. So this isn't new. This is something that's been around for a long time. um Then she also has this thing called the tank where she blindfolds her students and she puts them in a ah maze and you have to find your way out of the maze via intuition.
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That sounds like trouble. Here's where some lore comes in because some people say that this maze isn't just like a a typical maze. They do it on a full moon in the night naked.
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That is definitely an allegation. I just thought I'd throw that in there because I feel like it's a funny thing.
Controversies and Legal Challenges
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So ah that is one of the things. Then there's um this other thing that I saw that's actually posted on her her website.
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People put their hands in it in an L shape like this. So your left hand is vertical. Your right hand is in like a making an L almost. And you've got to keep your hand straight, which is highly uncomfortable, yeah by the way. And people a lot of people are doing it like down lower.
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Which is, it's hard. It hurts. yeah it's It's like physically painful. So she drops them in the middle of the field. You have to do this hand gesture and you walk around and this field is massive.
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It's probably a couple of acres. acres It's surrounded by this beautiful white fence and ah ah all around this fence line are pictures and they're taped to the sides of the fence.
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And the goal is that you're blindfolded, you're walking with your hands like this. When you run into a fence or if you're lucky enough, if your intuition is developed enough, you will run into the fence.
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You quick take your, your blindfold off. You take a peek, you look at the picture, you visualize this picture in your mind, and then you put your black, your blindfold back on. You walk back, you immediately turn away and you walk back into the field and you start walking around again.
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And if your intuition is good enough, you will find a core corresponding picture or be led back to that picture.
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And you will have it like essentially for the rest of the weekend, you have, you wear this picture on you as like, you've elevated, you have, you've elevated your intuition. But the whole time you're walking around this field with your hands in this weird position and you're like breathing like in and out really fast, like almost almost hyperventilating yourself.
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And if you at any point stop thinking about this picture, you have to raise your hand And then like essentially shame yourself for thinking about something else while you're walking around. And they do this for hours. It's like a couple hours. Oh, my God.
00:18:31
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And then there's this other example that she has of people shooting arrows blindfolded. So there's these huge stanchions and, and I think there's probably like 10 to 15 people in front of these stanchions.
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Everyone is blindfolded. They have these massive arrow bows and arrows. Like they're not fake. They're, they're real things. There's targets like 50 feet away. You're partnered with someone who isn't blindfolded and you shoot like 10 to 15 arrows.
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And the person starts recording how you're doing on this arrow test. And if you meet, if you, if you get a bullseye, you shoot the arrow into the target and you, and you are successful, that means you're fully enlightened. You're good to go.
00:19:14
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But if you shoot over, that means something about you that you need to work on. If you fall short, that's a consistent thing in your life. You have to fix that. If you're to the left, to the right, that these all have meanings.
00:19:26
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And this is like one of her spiritual techniques to show where in your life you need to you need to work. She sounds like a weird, like spiritual summer camp. Yes. Like the pseudo spiritual summer camp.
00:19:37
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For sure. And like hundreds, thousands of people come to this, come to her workshops to do this. And it's not like Ramtha is out in these fields or Jay-Z Knight herself are in these fields. No, she's got these ascended masters that teach these classes.
00:19:53
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So they're out there doing the heavy lifting while she's, you know. doing her thing and in her little labyrinth. She has, ah she also has a throne room. No, she created old barn and it's, it's very beautiful by all accounts, but she sits on this throne while everyone else is on yoga mats around her while she expounds on her virtues and, and enlightens the world.
00:20:14
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One of the key components of these workshops are actually things called wine nights. And the reason why they drink wine during these nights is, you know, not because wine makes you a little more malleable and to be able to swallow the bullshit she's, she's throwing your way.
00:20:30
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um But because aliens actually brought grapes to this planet and harvested them. And these are like other worldly beauties that, you know, 450,000 years ago were planted here on earth that we could use as a tool for enlightenment.
00:20:47
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But I thought lizard people were bad who are also alien hybrid. So like, let's maybe get our story straight. Do we like aliens or do we not? Oh my God. Yes.
00:20:57
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So during one of these wine nights there actually um was an issue. One of her followers actually recorded the whole wine night because she wanted to, you know, take it back with her and she wanted to like watch, watch back and, and, and you know, just get, make sure she had it on file so she could come back to it and, and get any pieces of nuggets. Well, things started going awry as Jay-Z and I was drinking more wine. And this also, mind you, is a spiritual drinking game.
00:21:28
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So every time Ramtha or Jay-Z takes a drink, everyone else in the theater has to take a drink. So people are getting sloshed. she Jay-Z herself or Ramtha, whoever you want to say this is, is also imbibing. So she's also getting sloshed and she starts saying things like, or gay men are actually Catholic, were Catholic priests in a past life.
00:21:52
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And that is why they're gay. What? Yes. She also says things like Mexican families are so large because, you know, they have breeding habits like rabbits.
00:22:05
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Oh my God. And also, um, like Jewish people are awful, very anti-Semitic. um And just crazy, crazy racist shit. And again, this is, this is according to Jay-Z, this isn't her. This is Ramtha speaking through her.
00:22:25
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To which I say, if you're so enlightened, why are you... yeah such a racist prick. Like, I don't understand. So this actually really offended um the local community when this came out. They were like, what is going on? This is not okay.
00:22:43
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um And so she kind of starts this PR situation. And in this PR situation, not only is she suing this lady that, that recorded this video for um illegally recording her and she did win the settlement. So the the video had to be taken down.
00:23:00
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um But the recording still exists, but she starts making donations of, you know, she spent over a million dollars at this point on scholarships for students in the local area.
00:23:13
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to go to college, which I mean, that's an undeniably good thing, yeah but she's doing this in this guise of, you know, trying to make herself look good. She starts this charity foundation and, you know, she's donating to this and, and all of the donations go to the local community, but she's also during this time, also donating money to local politicians.
00:23:37
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In the tens of thousands of dollars. and And at this point, she's still like a liberal Democrat. So she's she's so supporting Democrats at this time where she wants people to, you know, women's rights. thing These are all things that she's very passionate about.
00:23:54
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um But when this video comes out, there's this political pressure where they're asking her, hey, like the society surrounding areas, like, why are you accepting donations from someone that's clearly a racist and is excluding people? They say they're a Democrat, but they're excluding people.
00:24:10
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And so these people are the the government officials and politicians that have accepted money. decide They say, oh, oh, we can't abide by this either. They donate all the money back.
00:24:22
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um to charities and they they denounce her. They say, I'm never going to take another um donation from her again, um which comes up later. So but during this time, since she got sued and this came out, Ramtha really tightens down the hatches at this point.
00:24:43
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She's really trying to keep her group small. And she's really starting to lean more and more into this fact. And by her, I mean, Ramtha to me, they're kind of the same person. I feel like I can't really separate the two because I mean, yes, maybe Ramtha is speaking through, through her, but it is her talking, whether she changes her accent or not. I feel like it is her.
00:25:04
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Yeah. Okay.
Doomsday Prepping and Conspiracies
00:25:06
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So she it's speaking through her. So she starts to lean in heavily to lizard people are going to come and they're going to kill us and doomsday is coming.
00:25:17
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So she really starts leaning in and saying, followers, you need to live off the grid. You need to become a prepper. You need to find a house that's elevated on a hill so that you can better protect yourself when these lizard people come You need to have at least three years of perishables or non-perishable items that you can eat for a three-year period of time. You need stockpile water because doomsday is coming.
00:25:46
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The world is going to end. little lizard people are going to come over and the people that are not a believer in Ramtha or not enlightened are going to turn into these lizard people and they're going to to to murder you.
00:25:58
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One couple was so brainwashed that they moved to South America, maybe was South Africa. And they were completely living off the grid. They had this like illegal stockpile of guns.
00:26:11
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The government found out about it. They come and they're trying to say, hey, you can't have guns. The couple runs away. They're later found, they're surrounded by these people, and they think the lizard people are there to get them.
00:26:24
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And so they commit suicide instead of oh my god going with these people. So i mean, she's got, so so I think that story, the reason why i tell you it is, I think it shows how deep people are in. yeah Like they're willing to sell everything, move to another country so that it can get even more isolation, and they're willing to to die rather than be taken over.
00:26:48
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And so as this, as she's evolving through the ramp, the school of enlightenment, she's more and more making self herself a deity. Again, like I said, when she's having these wine nights, she's elevated and has like a throne that she sits on. And so she's expounding to her people.
00:27:06
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I wonder, so you know how like all of Bonnie Lake is like, really get like more and more people are moving there yeah like i wonder if that has anything to do with like these her teachings like i mean wouldn't doubt it but she's also very much about um having your own property making sure you have your water rights and having like space so you can if if when do doomsday comes you can cultivate your own land type situation.
00:27:36
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Gotcha. Okay. something But it definitely makes sense. It's very high ground over there. Yeah. We're getting into the like 2000, 2010s and more and more lawsuits are coming out. So and actually in 1987 let me just go through the lawsuits that she has. So controversies and legal troubles that she's faced so far.
00:27:59
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1987, former student sued for $500,000, claiming mental anguish after attending a session. um The court ruled in Knight's favor, citing religious freedom, and that this woman went to this knowing that you know this was a religion a place of religion, and that um in going there, she was accepting any type of negative feedback that this woman was going to get.
00:28:23
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So they're saying essentially, yes, you can charge people thousands of dollars for channeling a 35,000 year old warrior and legally call it a spiritual institution or a religion.
00:28:34
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And the reason why this is kind of a red flag is the reason the former student sued is that I guess. part of these wine nights and part of these seminars is that Ramtha will go around and she will point out certain people and be like, oh my gosh, you're so enlightened, like gaslighting people.
00:28:52
Speaker
You're so enlightened. You're on the, you're on the path. You're doing good. You just need to do X, Y, and Z. And then you're going to be like, at my level, you could be an ascended master, but then she'll go to other people and be like, actually you suck at life.
00:29:03
Speaker
Like Why are you even here? You're never going to be enlightened. But you know what? Because you did take the time to come to here today, I guess I will let you know how to fix yourself. Buy this book that's also written by me and buy these tapes also done by me. And then buy this and then maybe...
00:29:22
Speaker
you can be enlightened. But if you keep coming back, I guess I will help you. But you got to keep coming back, even though you you suck at life. So it's very much this like abusive kind of mentality of yeah ah like some people, one time you might be on her good list, but then the next time you show up, it's like, oh, you haven't made any progress. What's on what's wrong with you?
00:29:44
Speaker
Ramtha is giving you all of this enlightenment, but you're not taking it and you're not moving forward with it.
00:29:51
Speaker
So then we're in the nineties. um And then again, multiple cases emerge um saying that she's brainwashing people. She's causing emotional distress. She's also exploiting people financially because at this point she's also allegedly asking for like tithes where it's like you come here and yes, you're paying $2,000 a weekend and she's expecting you to come like every weekend. So that's a significant amount of money.
00:30:17
Speaker
But while you're there, You need to buy all of these materials. You also need to donate to me because, you know, Ramtha is telling you all these enlightened things, but you're, and you're taking this all in but you're not like paying for the wisdom.
00:30:33
Speaker
and um Her defense was just that, you know what? You're choosing your enlightenment. You are God and you're choosing your reality. And if you feel like I'm um manipulating you, that's the reality that you've want is woven for yourself.
00:30:47
Speaker
My reality is that I'm enlightening you and that I am, you know, just trying to help you out, which is crazy. Yeah. um Which harkens back to the first episode where it's like, she kind of already set the stage of like,
00:31:02
Speaker
oh, but Ramtha is telling me to do this. He's telling me to charge people. And these quote unquote spiritual freeloaders are like constantly just using me for my abilities and not giving me things because um I'm, i' you know, I'm sacrificing my time on this plane and giving it to Ramtha so that you guys can, you know, have this elevated experience. I'm not benefiting from this.
00:31:26
Speaker
You guys are. So you should be paying me. It is a very weird, yeah like, victim thing. For sure. So then in 1993, People Magazine featured Knight with a half-awe, like it it was kind of a weird tone. It was like half in awe of her and then half like, this lady is cre crazy.
00:31:44
Speaker
And because of that, that is when Ramtha really locked down her compound. Before this, people could kind of like come and go as you please because she's like, you know, a guru, a spiritual guide.
00:31:55
Speaker
But now she's like, okay, First, the Philadelphia Inquirer is telling me that I'm bougie because I'm wearing a fur coat. So, and now the media is saying like, oh, I'm not actually a spiritual leader. I'm more of like a cult leader.
00:32:09
Speaker
So I'm just going to lock this down even more. And I'm not even going to like let the media in. I'm going to kind of stop doing interviews, which is why you don't see a lot of interviews with her these days, which I find interesting because i feel like, and let me know how you feel about this too, but I feel like, um,
00:32:28
Speaker
manifestation, like manifesting your own reality and like vision boards, breathing techniques. I feel like that's very of the moment. Yes. Like a lot of people are drawn to that. A lot of people are doing that. A lot of people feel that way that you create your own reality.
00:32:44
Speaker
And I think to a certain extent, that's true. I feel like For instance, if me and you went to, i don't know, a concert, you may have a perception of the reality that you saw. And then there might be the perception of the reality that I saw.
00:32:59
Speaker
And that is what like colors our world. Yeah. Which is where she almost got me.
00:33:08
Speaker
Full disclosure, everyone. I watched a lot of her videos. And in one of the videos, she's talking about quantum mechanics. And I was like following and I was like, yeah, that fact checks, that fact checks, that fact checks. And then she starts like kind of trying to intertwine the story of like how wavelengths and certain vibrations expect the or accelerate the the positive ions within your cells. And then these other vibrations, you know, speak to the negative electrons in this type of atom. And then when they come together, they're doing this thing. And I'm like, okay, okay. I can kind of get that. I'm i'm kind of following. and then she's like, and that's how, if you raise your vibration, you know, you're manifesting this reality and your body elevates and in vibrational frequency. and And, and I'm like, yes, yes, yes. And then all of a sudden I'm like, wait, why the fuck? i'
00:33:51
Speaker
Why I watching this drunk lady? Who's like talking to me with her head bent, looking up from her eyes, talking in this weird accent. That's like, half British, half not. Like, okay, I got to step away. i got to step away right now.
00:34:04
Speaker
Because if I don't, I'm going to be paying $2,000 to go to this experience and having a wine night. And I don't even drink. So crazy. this This whole episode is actually ah ah ah self-help for you, Jessie, so that you don't go down this path.
00:34:18
Speaker
It is. it's It's a self-help for me. It's a how not to get in and ramp the colt for gummies.
00:34:30
Speaker
So um again, there' there's another pop-up in in the late 2010s of some ex-followers really started protesting her. They created a website that was called Life After Ramtha.
00:34:42
Speaker
where they they they said, you know, Ramtha is a cult. She's using this pseudoscience like issues. She's telling us to do these certain things. And it it truly is a cult. You're gaslighted. And then there's this weird, when you try to leave, she pulls all of your friends away from you, which is a total cult tactic.
00:35:02
Speaker
Oh yeah. You come here, you find your your core group of people. You all are like-minded and then maybe you start seeing red flags and then it takes a lot for you to say, i actually need to to separate myself from these people that I've come so attached to and I need to to go do my own thing.
00:35:19
Speaker
And then she tells everyone to stop talking to you. So you're really like by yourself. So this ex-follower, you know, tried to stop that. And as part of this, he wanted to get the word out that these are actually what ramped it in Jay-Z and are teaching is that, again, you are God and you create your own reality.
00:35:38
Speaker
So if you get food poisoning, you actually did that to yourself. You get sick, you actually did that to yourself. So she's telling people with cancer or people that have like degenerative eye diseases and stuff that like, don't go to a physician because that's a lizard person.
00:35:55
Speaker
You actually should just create and manifest that you're fine and that you're well. And then apparently in these like little speeches that she has, she pulls people out of the crowd to say, I had cancer and I cured myself.
00:36:11
Speaker
Oh God. Because of this teaching, because Ramtha enlightened me, i was able to heal my cancer and heal um myself. And so what I find interesting about this is, remember that story that I told you in part one about how a traveling preacher came and like prayed over her and then she got hit by lightning and all was well.
00:36:29
Speaker
Well, She's almost using Ramtha as like her lightning rod. And like, so she's hitting people with this like spiritual energy and saying that i you are God just as I am God and me being God, I'm going to actually ascend you to get to my level and find the God that's within you. So you can be the the person of your own universe. Cause you are God like this. it's It's hokey.
00:36:54
Speaker
And it gets to the point where she actually, um the washington state department of health actually starts investigating her because apparently ah doctor was treating some of these ex um spiritual people from the ramtha school of enlightenment because they were saying like they're really sick they had they were really sick and they were trying to fix themselves but they they they couldn't and so they they stuck um they went to this doctor to seek out some help and they said well how i've been trying to fix myself is
00:37:25
Speaker
grandpa told me to drink lye mixed with dead seawater on a daily basis until i feel better so so lye is not good for you we all know this and dead seawater that's just like high concentrations of salt water you're drinking yeah like how's that that's going to dehydrate you that with the lye it's also going like essentially ferment your insides, right?
00:37:52
Speaker
I feel like lie is like a preservative. That's, i don't know. It's, it's kind of gross. And, but when this came out, Ramtha was like, actually, I didn't say to do that. And I'm actually going sue this doctor because but you're violating HIPAA by telling people's medical histories and nothing actually ended up coming of that from either side. So the department of health could just kind of stopped,
00:38:16
Speaker
researching it because again she's a religious institution and people can go there of their free will yeah um so they kind of stopped and then she just decided to end it because they they stopped saying these things and so yeah the thought that she put into like I just feel like the planning that went into all this, like, while it seems ah like a little haphazard talking about it, like, sowing the seeds of, like, oh, well, no, it's you telling yourself I'm not liable for any of this because Ram, like, you everyone, like, you're your own god. Like, that's terrifying but brilliant. Yeah.
00:38:53
Speaker
It is terrifying, but brilliant because there's a part of it where it kind of links to other religions, right? Because I think every religion kind of speaks to this. You have a soul and, and Jesus died for your sins or whatever.
00:39:07
Speaker
And so because of that, you have this like piece of him inside of you, this protection. And if you just, you know, believe in God and pray hard enough, right?
00:39:19
Speaker
you too will fix your your issues, right? Which I think to some extent it is true. Like if you really focus on the positive side of life, I think you're gonna have more positive outcomes than if you only focus on the negative. So there's like,
00:39:33
Speaker
some common sense to this, but she, she makes it really dark and morbid. Like she, yeah she kind of takes it to this other level. And other things that this small group was saying of like the ex followers is that she really encourages isolation from family.
00:39:49
Speaker
So if your family doesn't also believe in this light enlightenment, they're not going to ascend and they're actually going to turn into a lizard person and actually hurt you and like kill you. So if they don't believe, they don't sip the Kool-Aid, you should definitely isolate yourself from them, which total cult.
00:40:06
Speaker
So does she have people living at this compound with her or is just like kind of come and go for seminars? Come and go for seminars. There's some people that live there for some amounts of time and it's unclear why they're allowed to live there.
00:40:19
Speaker
um Another thing I find interesting about this particular cult is – there's not a lot of people that are speaking out on it. Like it's still very much, I don't know if it's because some of what she says, like a lot of people identify with, or she's just really particular and locking people down. Or if it's just one of those cults that hasn't had a lot of light shed on it. So people aren't like waking up to the red flags, but whatever she's doing. And I don't know if it's cause she's in Yelm in the small town, but she's a great business woman.
00:40:51
Speaker
yeah She's definitely an entrepreneur. She definitely, Her PR team has got to be stellar because there's not a lot of negative out there. She's really scrubbed the internet. And what ah the moment someone starts like coming for her, she immediately goes on this PR roadshow of like, well, let me just throw money at this. Let me throw money at that. Let me just combat this. Let me take it to court immediately. So she's really, really good at that.
00:41:18
Speaker
um And then she also has a lot of um reports of, um again, financial exploitation. She's asking people, to you know, come weekly to these spiritual events ranging from, again, $500 to $1,200 to $2,000 on a weekly basis.
00:41:35
Speaker
You know, you got to make a lot of money to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. She also has these like levels um and Selma Hayek is actually in this cult. What? Allegedly. um And she is actually kind of like the Tom Cruise of Scientology. She's kind of like the ah Tom Cruise of the School of Enlightenment.
00:41:57
Speaker
Yeah. What? She actually has a mansion that she built, Selma Hayek does, um on the like by the Deschutes River.
00:42:06
Speaker
No way. Yeah. Also, Shirley MacLaine, she's an actress from of back of the day. She's also a follower of of this cult. There's also this intense pressure from her followers to take her teachings and spread it to the world, to recruit new members, get people to come to these things.
00:42:26
Speaker
And if you do, you might get, you know, if you get this refer a friend type situation, you might get a discount on your next, which to me is, again, a red flag. Yes. In fact, ah but you can recruit new members and and you want to expound on her teachings. However, there was another woman who decided to take this the teachings of Ramtha and then also say that, you know, she is she too is channeling Ramtha as a vessel.
00:42:56
Speaker
And she started expounding on um all of the enlightenment that he has. And she said, no, no, no, no. no
00:43:05
Speaker
sued her for like essentially copyright infringement that she took. She trademarked Rampa. She trademarked Rampa. And she's like, you can't steal my rights.
00:43:17
Speaker
And she won and won $10,000 and the lady had to stop doing it.
00:43:23
Speaker
How are people still pretending that this is a real cult? This is clearly a business like plan for this woman. One thousand percent. And to which I say, OK, if this is a religion like she's saying it is, why?
00:43:34
Speaker
and that is why she got out of having to pay like the the the five hundred thousand dollars or whatever for the the person that. claimed mental anguish when she went to this because she asked for it so if it it truly is a religion why are p other people who are trying to expound upon what rampa is saying and and really you know spread his enlightenment around why is that an issue if this isn't for fame and for money and crazy so interesting and then a lot of other people that will allegedly a lot of other people that have tried to leave and like sue her for harassment it's quietly settled out of court pretty quickly
00:44:10
Speaker
And so as this is going on, she's, she's very, like I said, because of these lawsuits, because of these part PR things that have happened in the twenties, the 2000s, 2010s, she's really like clamped down and she's really doubling down on this doomsday. And she's really doubling down on lizard people taking over. And i don't know if you knew this, but there's also some links to, uh, to lizard people and QAnon.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So in 2016, QAnon starts to take off. and And again, like the trend we saw with the lizard people in the 90s, Romtha clings onto this and really starts to become a supporter of QAnon and deep state.
00:44:49
Speaker
And she's all bought in that, you know, Hillary Clinton really did order child children to sexually abuse them via a pizza parlor. Like she's in that group of people that was going on around that time.
00:45:02
Speaker
And so she starts not only believing in QAnon, but Ramtha then starts telling her followers about all of the conspiracy theories and stuff that QAnon believes.
00:45:14
Speaker
And her, her spiritual followers start to align with her process of thinking. And this is where we see a shift of, she goes from a Democrat that's all about people and all about, you know, support and love And she's really turned to 180 and is like ah starts following Trump and that ideology of like kind of I don't want to say put yourself first, but it very much is as like wrecking the current structure of how America, the fabric of America that we know now kind of dismantling that and and building something new.
00:45:48
Speaker
which does align with the lizard theory theory where she was thinking that lizard people are taking over government. So I guess I can see the connection between Trump trying to dismantle that and her thought process that he's doing good.
00:46:01
Speaker
In fact, she believes, or Ramtha believes so much in Trump that she expounds saying that he is actually a truth teller sent by the aliens to show us how the world actually truly is and to save us.
00:46:19
Speaker
from ourselves. He is essentially the next, what I would equate what she, where the pedestal that she has Trump on or that Ramtha puts the Trump on is like maybe one ran rung below him, which is, you know, the next Jesus Christ.
00:46:32
Speaker
Oh my God. And in fact, Trump is so wonderful that anywhere he goes, he has alien bodyguards that we just can't see.
00:46:43
Speaker
When he's in his jet in Air Force One flying high in the sky, he's actually surrounded by flying saucers that are protecting him. So no one can can hurt him ever, not even in the skies. And then when...
00:46:58
Speaker
so she's believing this 2016, he gets elected and she's over the moon. She's still expounding on QAnon beliefs. In fact, she's so doubled down on this in her souvenir shop that she has alongside her enlightenment material. She's also selling QAnon material.
00:47:15
Speaker
Jesus. Okay. And so then fast forward, you know, it's the election in 2020 or in 2020 and Biden is running against Trump. And when Biden won,
00:47:28
Speaker
She posts on a website parlor that Trump should actually take military action or some type of action to stop Biden from winning because he clearly committed voter fraud.
00:47:46
Speaker
And that, so essentially she's, she's supporting the and insurrection here. Yeah. yeah And she's very mad. She's very upset about it. Her followers, you know, kind of fall in line with her. She falls deeper and deeper into this QAnon rabbit hole again with the deep state again with like, Oh, the lizard people are coming back. They didn't like that. This truth teller was dismantling what we know is true.
Ongoing Influence and Support
00:48:08
Speaker
And so she starts sending money to Republican organizations. She, she starts, um, really supporting Trump and everyone in his circle. She's very much a JD Vance fan. She's very much like this person is actually like the next Jesus Christ. That's going to, to help us ascend.
00:48:25
Speaker
In fact, she's so much into this. Um, during the 2024 election, she held a QAnon, um, and RSE religious school, ramp, the school of enlightenment, um,
00:48:38
Speaker
joint fundraiser where she invited QAnon people to her facility. They paid a hundred dollars per person. She invited QAnon, like high QAnon members. There was a band that came that was a QAnon supporter that did a show there.
00:48:56
Speaker
um Apparently thousands of people showed up and all of that money went back into supporting the Trump campaign of, you know, 2024. Yeah. And then when he got elected, she's finally like, oh my gosh, think thank goodness.
00:49:10
Speaker
I knew the aliens would help this happen. and And this is kind of where we are today, where she's still expounding on the QAnon beliefs and and making sure that um everyone kind of falls in line with that.
00:49:22
Speaker
Oh my god. That was such a great story. I don't... I'm still a little bit at a loss for words. Like, i don't I don't... I don't understand why people are still listening to her. Like, she's... I don't need... One thing i I will say when I watch her videos and stuff, she does have that X factor that people talk about sometimes with what she's saying. And she also...
00:49:48
Speaker
is very convincing when she switches characters. So she goes from J.G. z Knight and then she switches characters into this alter ego of hers. And it she does change her stance. she does She does change the way she talks. And and some of what she says about like quantum mechanics, like I said, I almost fell into the trap.
00:50:07
Speaker
It's very convincing. She's very, very great businesswoman. She's got it tied down, man. She sounds smart as hell. Oh, she's got to be. Like... super high IQ and if she's not then she has a super high IQ in entrepreneurism like she needs to start writing books on that because that college I would go to I and that's amazing and honestly like I like like so like and I knew that it was a ah thing I didn't realize just how like deep and intense this cult was and for how close it is to like
00:50:45
Speaker
Population centers. That's kind of crazy. Yes. I actually had a cousin that lived in for a little bit. And I remember going over to their house sometimes and in their neighborhood, it was very close to, think it was maybe a mile from the compound.
00:51:00
Speaker
And there was a lot of people that had garages full of non-perishable items and water. And it very much was this pockets and yelm where these followers almost have communes.
00:51:14
Speaker
onto themselves and and they're like working together to to help protect. And there's also a lot of businesses in Yelm too. Like there's this pizza place that is allegedly linked to her by one of our followers um started it. And I used to go there often because the pizza is delicious.
00:51:31
Speaker
But now I'm like, I had no idea that I was connected to this cool and like it's interesting how it's flown under the radar and I don't know if it's because it's a small town and for so long she's been donating that money back into the society but it's it's interesting very interesting that is wild that was such a good episode yeah thank you so much Absolutely. Absolutely. So, all right. ah That's it today for today's dive into the dark corners of the Pacific Northwest.
00:52:04
Speaker
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00:52:15
Speaker
Until next time, keep your eyes open. And your doors locked. Because the lizard people might hit you. 100%