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The Flames of Pang
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On a cold January night in 1995, a fire tore through a Seattle warehouse, drawing firefighters into a scene that was far more dangerous than it appeared. What began as a routine response quickly turned catastrophic, claiming the lives of four firefighters and leaving behind unanswered questions. Investigators would later uncover signs that this blaze was no accident, but a chain of hidden failures and silent warnings made the truth hard to see. Decades later, the Pang warehouse fire remains a haunting reminder of how quickly heroism can collide with disaster.
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Beneath the Evergreens'
00:00:00
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Welcome to Beneath the Evergreens, where murder, mysteries, and mayhem lurk in the shadows of the Pacific Northwest. I'm Jess. And I'm Anna. From haunted forests and unsolved disappearances to true crime cases buried deep in the moss and the mist, we're digging into the dark secrets hiding under the evergreens.
00:00:19
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Each episode will explore real cases, eerie encounters, and the legends that keep the Pacific Northwest up at night. So grab your flashlight, lock your doors, and join us beneath the evergreens.
Personal Insights: Lucky Numbers and Favorite Colors
00:00:55
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Cheers. I think this is lucky episode 15, bro. Is 15 lucky now? I said it was, so yes. What's your lucky number? Is it actually 15? 16.
00:01:07
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No, it isn't. Mine is 16, This is why we're great podcast hosts.
00:01:17
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No, I'm obsessed with 16. That was my number from forever. Dude, same. Do you remember a day where you were like 16 is my lucky number?
00:01:26
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No, I don't. Oh. I think I was obsessed when I was little that like 16 would be when I was old. that means you're kind of an adult. Okay. I was definitely not an adult at 16. We're on the save wavelength because i remember when I was five, i was like 16 is when I can get a driver's license, get a job, and move out. Okay.
00:01:49
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And from from that point forward, it was my racing number, everything. 16 was my, when I played sports, 16 was it. Damn. Yeah. I love it.
00:01:59
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I had no idea that year's, what's your favorite color? Purple. What the fuck? Get out of my head. That's my favorite color. You can't have it. It's mine. Is it a lavender?
00:02:10
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i really like any kind of purple but i like a deep purple like a deep purple here okay so i like more of like a purple haze lavender situation okay okay why is purple your favorite color it feels like home interesting it is interesting why is yours because it is a calming color and it is the color of royalty And i was, well, I want to say named after, but my name is also that of a royal figure. So I felt very real. Yeah. I mean you are you are the queen. so
00:02:46
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Yes, I am. Thank you. Yeah. Maybe that's why I feel like purple is home because it does I feel like it's that calming color. Yes. It's just soothing.
00:02:55
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Right? It's not too dark. It doesn't hurt the eyes. It can kind of like... i don't know. Just this kind of mellow. Yeah. yeah I got a hatch alarm clock not too long ago.
00:03:06
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And I do like a purple color to it. And it's so nice before I go to bed. It's just sets the mood. i love it. Yeah.
Nostalgia and Stargazing Memories
00:03:14
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I am a nerd. Well, maybe immature. I don't know. i got...
00:03:19
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You know, remember those glow in the dark stars when you're little? Yes. Okay. So I got those, but not the big bulky ones from the nineties, early two thousands. They're like little tiny dots, like tiny, tiny.
00:03:30
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And I put them all over my ceiling and it really does look like you're outside in the night sky. Like they're tiny, tiny. Oh my gosh. When I was in college, my roommate and best friend got a bunch of those and we put them on our ceiling. Yeah.
00:03:43
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And we we got some of them off, but we were like, oh, it'd be kind of fun to leave a couple for the next people that move in. Yeah. So she left for the semester. i was the last one there. I'm getting ready to go. And the RA comes to check me out And she's like, no, you need to take all of these down.
00:03:58
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Oh, my God. Here I am standing on the desk with i don't remember who. There's someone there with me. I don't remember who. But I'm like trying to get all of these things down. Yeah. It was ridiculous.
00:04:11
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Well, i feel if I ever move out of my place, there is no way I'm taking them all down. It's too long to put up. They're going to say.
00:04:21
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What is the coolest night sky you've ever seen? Like the coolest place you've ever seen the night sky? In the middle of the ocean with no lights on. o thought it was beautiful. there I didn't know.
00:04:35
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yeah do you remember reading those stories or whatever that describe the sky as this infinite, unimaginable, like inky, well, just full of these beautiful pinpricks of light.
00:04:48
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And they paint this beautiful masterpiece of a picture. And you're like, that's not necessary. the night sky is cool, but I'm not like, oh my gosh, I'm looking into the unknown and uncharted whatevers or like adventures are out there. Mm-hmm. However, when I was out in the middle of the ocean and there was no lights on and I like look up at the sky,
00:05:08
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i didn't realize how vast it was and how many stars are actually are and just the depths there is it's i'm not trying to sound deep it just truly was i vividly remember looking up when i was like i don't know the second week out to sea and i actually took the time to look up into the sky and i had to stop for 10 minutes and just be like what the what is this like i is this the same sky i've been looking at what about you
00:05:41
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in moab utah oh that's a good one too we were in canyon lands national park to to look at the night sky yeah and it was it was beautiful but all of a sudden we're like we are looking out kind of this viewpoint and there's like a kind of a canyon yeah in the distance and we start to see like almost like the sky lightning a bit and we're like oh is it is it just like the like from the town is it just light pollution like that kind kind of sucks whatever but we're standing there a little bit longer we're like looking at sky all of a sudden the moon comes up from the other like over the canyon and it is red like it is the reddest moon i've ever seen we thought it was like is this it looks like the sun
00:06:28
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And then we're like pinching each other. Like it it can't be the sun, but it's so red. That's crazy. And it like, i mean, it lit up the sky and we couldn't see the stars anymore.
00:06:41
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That's kind of insane. It was wild. And we I was Googling it afterwards. was like, this is this a normal occurrence? Like, was it something – it like the – all of the the clay and the dirt there is red, right? Yeah. Is it something to the reflection on that?
00:06:58
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I couldn't find anything. I could not find any information on this, like, blood red moon that I saw in Moab. Okay. going to float the idea. What if you saw a UFO? and hes just Potentially. Potentially.
00:07:11
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I'm it could be it very well could be I'm after this episode I'm gonna start googling Moab moonrise is that a term I think that's what I was googling at least and see if they're red because that is I mean but you have like blood moons and stuff so maybe you just lucked out and like saw like maybe I couldn't find anything that said that that night was a blood moon though And i'll I took a couple photos of it. And with the editing, like, I was able to make it look like what we actually saw. And I'll send you the photo. But it was crazy.
00:07:42
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Yes, please. That is really cool. Also kind of sucked for stargazing, though, because then it was too bright and we had to leave. Where's my sunglasses? That light pollution, though, it really does impact that night sky. And so when you get to an area where there's hardly any, it's pretty incredible.
00:08:00
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It's so cool. I really want to go to Big Bend National Park because it's like supposed to be like a light or a night sky conservation area.
00:08:10
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And so you can just like hang out there and look at the sky. I have have a specific place bookmarked in my Google Maps of like this is where we're going to stay when we go. Supposed to be the best time for stargazing.
00:08:23
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Let me know if you go. I want to know what the sky looks like. I really love stargazing. Sames. Samesies.
00:08:31
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Alrighty. Well, are you ready to jump into our story for today? I'm more than excited. I'm ready for story time. Alrighty. So this story, it actually is approaching the 31st anniversary of this incident. So that's why I wanted to talk about it today.
The Pang Warehouse Fire: A Tragic Event
00:08:47
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oh But have you heard of the Pang warehouse fire in Seattle? Pang warehouse? I have not. Okay. Okay. So, around 7 p.m. on January 5th, 1995, fire trucks from seven seven different stations in Seattle arrived at Mary Pang's food products warehouse in Seattle's International District.
00:09:14
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That's a lot of people. Yes. A lot trucks. About 32 firefighters arrived. Initially, firefighters thought that the fire had started on an outer wall of the building and what they thought was a one-story building.
00:09:27
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They began putting out the fire, but as they were inside the building, seasoned firefighters began to get concerned. They noticed that the heat inside the building was just a little bit too hot and too overwhelming for the fire that they could see.
00:09:42
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They're kind of looking out sort to the other side of the room where they see the fire, and that it looks far too small for for what they're feeling. Mm-hmm. Lieutenant Gregory Shoemaker realized that there must be a bottom floor that they were missing. He kind of feel the heat rising up.
00:09:59
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Interesting. So he yelled to everyone that was in the building and told them to get out as soon as possible. Because they were, a lot of them were inside on this one floor because they thought that was that was the basement and there were some concrete parts of it. They're kind of giving the false illusion that it was the only floor. That's terrifying.
00:10:16
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He tries to get everyone out. Unfortunately, it was too late for him, though. Lieutenant shoemaker fell 20 feet into the basement along with Lieutenant Walter Kilgore and firefighters, Randall Terlicker and James Brown.
00:10:32
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The other firefighters at the scene were unable to render aid to them because the building was just so compromised at that point. And they now had no idea how bad the fire actually was. Cause they didn't know about this basement part.
00:10:46
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so they weren't able to render aid, So all four of the firefighters perished in this event. Oh, that's so sad. This was the most deadly event in Seattle fired Fire Department history.
00:11:01
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Oh, wow. So horrible, horrible day. In the aftermath of the fire, questions began floating around about how could this tragic loss of life have been prevented? At the time, the Seattle Fire Department had building plans for some of the buildings in the city.
00:11:17
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that posed fire risks, but Pang's warehouse was not one of them. In fact, the most recent inspection of the building had taken place in 1984, so over 10 years from when the fire actually broke out.
00:11:30
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So there's a good chance that the the model that they had just wasn't even accurate anymore. But the question still became, how how can we prevent this many firefighters passing away? Because it's seemingly like this seems so preventable, right?
00:11:44
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Yeah. However, further investigation revealed that the warehouse had actually been the target of an arson threat. Oh, wow. a woman named, I don't know how to pronounce her name, but I'm going to call her Reese Johansson. That's what it looks like to me. Okay. She had told some Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearm agents that her ex-husband, Martin Pang, Mary Pang's son,
00:12:13
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that he had made plans to have someone burn down the warehouse between December 16th and the 18th of 1994 so he could collect the insurance money. Martin Pang had asked Johansson to make sure neither of his parents were at the warehouse when he planned to set it ablaze.
00:12:32
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the f The ATF agents had alerted sv SFD to the arson threat, but December 16th, 17th, and 18th passed with no incidents. So...
00:12:43
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Essentially, they just thought that, hey, it was a false alarm. This wasn't actually a real threat.
00:12:49
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So basically, both agencies just kind of put it to rest and said, you know, we're not going to surveil the property anymore. oh At this time, the standard process for arson threats would have been to conduct a high profile building inspection. So you get the threat. OK, you're getting the fire marshal. You're getting a bunch of people on site to do a kind unexpected walkthrough. okay In that walkthrough, they are basically casing the place. Okay, what does this look like? What's the structure? What is that what are the fire risks?
00:13:16
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They would then go back and basically create a risk assessment of, okay, if this place were to burn down, this is how we would go about fighting the fire. That's actually really smart. Right?
00:13:28
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Unfortunately, that did not take place in this case. Oh, of course. Of course. Yeah. So, if they had done that, They would have found in the basement of this warehouse fuel and mass amounts of cardboard sitting there waiting for waiting to be set set a fire essentially. Oh wow.
00:13:52
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So it was purposefully like all this stuff was there on purpose. Oh wow. Additionally all the information about the the arson threats were kept on a need to know basis.
00:14:03
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So Only some fire officials and a arson specialists knew about the threat, and it wasn't shared with the entire Seattle Fire Department. So when firefighters arrived on the fateful night of January 5th, they had no idea what they were walking into.
00:14:20
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They didn't know the history. They had no no building plans or anything. They just really weren't set up for success. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. Also, new fear are unlocked that you're walking on top of fire.
00:14:34
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Right. That is terrifying. Yeah, i I don't. I don't want to imagine that, actually. No, thank you. So let give you a little bit of background about the Pang family.
00:14:48
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Okay. Mary and Harry Pang were Chinese Americans who had been in the Seattle area since roughly the nineteen twenty s They actually met at the University of Washington and then they got married.
00:15:01
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They ran a grocery store in Beacon Hill, but then they got into the Chinese frozen food business, which is what they housed in their ID warehouse. Okay.
00:15:12
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The Peng's then adopted two children from Hong Kong in 1956, Martin and Marlise. The Peng's frozen food business was quite profitable, so the Peng children grew up quite wealthy on Mercer Island.
00:15:27
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Martin was treated as the perfect child who wanted for nothing. He was a charming guy, but he did have a bit of a dark side. Reports indicate that he actually broke one of his ex-wife's back with a like god like karate kung fu style kick.
00:15:44
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He karate kicked his wife and broke her back? That's crazy. you Wow. Yeah. okay He then broke another one's jaw. And then fuck he beat another one like like and basically like destroyed her face. So this guy has some... He's got some anger issues. He's not he's not well.
00:16:03
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I feel like you should be put on a list. If you ruin your wife's face and break her back and break another one's jaw, there needs to be like a PSA about you somewhere.
00:16:14
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Absolutely. But doesn't sound like anything happened with that. He was still kind of treated as the perfect son. He was involved in the family business. and it sounds like his sister didn't quite get that, that great of treatment. It sounds like he was the perfect child. She was the one that couldn't get it. Couldn't do anything. Right.
00:16:32
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so she actually just kind of moved down to California after she was old enough and didn't really associate with the family too much. I can't find many reports on her. I mean, if my brother's breaking people's backs, I I'm pretty sure I would also flee.
00:16:44
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Right. Yeah. It seems crazy. Yeah. So that is kind of setting the scene. So this you have this a horrible, entitled, spoiled, rich kid.
Martin Pang's Motive and Escape
00:16:55
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And he got a little greedy. So he noticed that the earnings for his parents' business were starting to decline. And he tried to get them to sell the business for years. Either sell the business, sell the property, because they own the property that the warehouse was on.
00:17:10
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Or, you know, rent it out to someone else. Do something with this. they But they wouldn't do it. they were They wanted to stay in the frozen food business. So him, just not – it sound like he had too many skills, couldn't kind of make his own money. So he could see no other option but to design a plan to set the basement of the warehouse on fire and just watch the whole building burn down so he could collect collect the insurance money.
00:17:38
Speaker
I feel like – okay, i get that you want a big payout. But what about after?
00:17:45
Speaker
Yeah. What are you going to do with all this when especially i don't mean so I don't know what arson investigations look like, but I imagine you can see that there was an accelerant in the basement and like things to catch on fire. Like it seems especially in a frozen food warehouse, it seems unlikely that a fire would start there, you know?
00:18:05
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Yeah. But like also. okay so let's say you do get away with it. You've just lost like your livelihood, right? I mean, you have to start over somewhere and are you really going to make that much money to make it worth it?
00:18:20
Speaker
Oh yeah. that Incredibly short sighted. Martin does not sound like the brightest tool in the shed, at least at this point. yeah Oh my gosh. Cut that out. I said brightest tool in the shed. I, that's a joke my family has.
00:18:33
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I'm keeping it. No, no. no
00:18:40
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You know, it's crazy. and i I didn't even register. didn't even register it. So I'm the brightest tool in the shed. Okay.
00:18:51
Speaker
So. So in the in the aftermath of the fire, Martin Pang quickly fled Seattle. He had a house down in California that he went to and he eventually made his way to Mexico and then settled in Brazil.
00:19:09
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Seattle police, Seattle firefighters, the FBI, and the U.S. Marshals were all working together to locate Pang. Like, this got a huge response. Okay. quickly found him, but they then had to follow extra extradition processes.
00:19:23
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And while Martin Pang didn't seem very bright in his plan to burn down the shop and then collect some money for the reward, not thinking too far ahead, he had actually done his research on where he was going to flee to.
00:19:37
Speaker
Because he knew that, or I'm assuming that he knew that in Brazil, four deaths from art the four deaths from arson would not warrant murder charges as long as the intent of the arson was not to kill.
00:19:50
Speaker
So in Washington, he can he could be charged for murder for this. But Brazil would not agree to extradite him if they knew that he was going to be prosecuted for murder.
00:20:02
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So he kind of built in a protection for himself in a way. Wow. I guess. Wow. Right. Which I didn't realize that like said I didn't i don't know that much about extradition processes, but I didn't realize that was part of it. Like I knew like more like the cruel and unusual piece of it. But yeah this doesn't seem like cruel and unusual punishment for me.
00:20:26
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it It doesn't. And I guess, yeah, I'm not well versed in extradition, but I feel like if I was a country and there was a criminal, a known criminal that did something as heinous as like start a fire that killed four people, I would kind of want them gone.
00:20:42
Speaker
Right. I wouldn't be like, well, you know, you're going you're going to put them up for murder, but his intent wasn't to murder. So no, I don't. Right. It seems weird. It seems really weird. i like that. Yeah.
00:20:57
Speaker
So the team in the U.S. s actually tried to create a plan to get paying to or to lure paying to Montevideo, Uruguay. Uruguay. Which I say with Spanish accent. It sounded a little fancy. I was going to say, wow, good good for you. That sounded freaking incredible. i was like, what are where are we going? I like it.
00:21:16
Speaker
ha Funny tidbit. i So I learned Spanish in school. Studied it for like eight years. And that was the first other language that I learned after English. yeah But my family is Greek. So I've tried to learn Greek on and off.
00:21:29
Speaker
But I speak it with a Spanish accent. And it sounds ridiculous. Like my grandma's all was like, i that doesn't sound right. I'm like, going to roll my R speaking Greek. It's ridiculous.
00:21:43
Speaker
I love it. I try to learn Spanish too. And I know some words, but I never got to that conversational level. But I would love to. Love Yeah, I think I've lost so quite a bit of it, but once in a while I can still kind of throw it out.
00:21:58
Speaker
is If you don't use it, man, you lose it for sure. There was a point where i was like dreaming in Spanish. It was pretty cool. That is really cool. Yeah. Yeah. All right. If you ever get back into it, actually, let's get back into it and let's start speaking Spanish. Let's make this a Spanish speaking podcast.
00:22:14
Speaker
Actually, don't. At a kindergarten level. Anyway, so they tried to lure Peng to... tried to lure payg to Uruguay, where arsson the arson deaths could actually be considered a murder murder and arrest him there so then they could charge him with murder when he got back to the U.S. okay But the plan was unsuccessful and they couldn't they couldn't get paying out of Brazil, essentially. He was he was staying put.
00:22:38
Speaker
Eventually, investigators just decided to have him arrested by Brazilian authorities and begin the formal extradition process from Brazil.
Extradition and Legal Outcomes
00:22:47
Speaker
That does mean that they would not be able to charge him with murder eventually when he got there.
00:22:52
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When Peng met with authorities, he pretty quickly confessed to setting the fire and said he was doing it to help his parents. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Likely story. Likely story.
00:23:03
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It sounds like he confessed quite quickly, didn't really put up a fight. he just kind of seems like he was ill-prepared for this whole whole adventure. Yeah. So it took about a year to officially extradite him back to the U.S., s While he was being escorted back via plane. so this is actually super interesting. And this is another piece of the extradition process that I didn't know before. Now I'm like going to deep dive into extradition after this. But while he's being escorted back via the plane, the plane he was on had some mechanical difficulties as they were taxiing. So they'd already pulled away from the gate. They're taxiing, discover mechanical difficulties.
00:23:44
Speaker
They then have to return to the terminal. So even though they had never actually taken off and left Brazilian soil, by departing the gate, that was technically like leaving Brazil. And then when they came back to the terminal and reconnected, that is considered a re-entry to Brazil.
00:24:02
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So that initial extradition was for the one time. So technically, pening could have like gotten out of the chair and said, take these shackles off of me. I'm leaving.
00:24:14
Speaker
And the U.S. officials that were accompanying him would have, they they would have been forced to, like, oblige. Just let him go again. And then they'd have to restart the whole year-long process.
00:24:25
Speaker
Look, I'm just saying the more you know, and with the state of the country, I'm just saying this, put this back in your back pocket. Yeah, yeah. But Pang didn't know this, luckily. So he just keeps sitting there. And the investigators were kind of like,
00:24:40
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Like on edge the whole time. Oh, you can't go to the bathroom. Like eyes on you at all times. yeah And like trying to play it calm. So eventually they did take off again. The plane was fixed and they were able to continue transporting transporting him all the way back to Seattle.
00:25:00
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So in February of 1998, over three years after the fire, Peng pleaded pled guilty to four counts of manslaughter, and was sentenced to 35 years in prison.
00:25:12
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While in prison, Peng and another inmate created a plan to commit identity fraud using the personal information Peng had from witnesses and firefighter testimonies in his case documents.
00:25:25
Speaker
that's That's messed up. Right? Right? That... I mean, that shows just absolutely normal. you're really you're You already hurt these people so much. And I would take even more from them. Like, this guy's a monster.
00:25:39
Speaker
I mean, you you literally killed four firefighters because of your actions. And then you're going to just identity theft and hurt more firefighters? Like... No, no, no. Right?
00:25:51
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Yeah. So... They actually got thwarted before anything eventually happened. But Peng lost some good time. i don't totally know how the good time process works in prison. But they did add, like, take away a bunch of his hours. And then he was transferred from Monroe, the prison in Monroe, to the state penitentiary in Walla Walla.
00:26:12
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He was released in September of 2018. After serving 23 years of his 35 year sentence sentence. So after the whole identity fraud thing.
00:26:23
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Seems like he kind of turned his life around. Yeah. And then at the time of his release. He still owed about 3 million dollars in restitution. So his whole ploy to to make make some cash. Live out his life happy.
00:26:39
Speaker
Just didn't really work out at all. 3 million. That's a lot of money. Right? Yeah. sounds like after his release, he was living in Prosser, Washington. Okay. he tried to to change his name to something, to something else, trying to move away from this infamous act. But he was not successful in doing so. So Martin Pang can still be found in Eastern Washington.
00:27:05
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He doesn't have too many skills. It sounds like he kind of coasted through life. And unfortunately, both his parents died while he was in prison. So he's, i'm on his own now. And he has a couple of kids with a couple of different ex-wives.
00:27:18
Speaker
But yeah, not too much is known about his life now.
Aftermath and Fire Safety Lessons
00:27:22
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A little bit the aftermath. So the families of the fallen firefighters sued the Seattle Fire Department and the courts actually found that the city was semi-responsible for the deaths of the firefighters.
00:27:33
Speaker
The fire department updated many of their processes post-fire, specifically making sure that all firefighters were aware of arson threats. So if one comes in, and It sounds like all the stations either in the area or in the entire umm department get the get a notice. And they also basically updated their process. So when entering a building, all firefighters should be able to see the building layout and this in the schematics.
00:27:59
Speaker
I mean, that makes sense, especially if you're going in because I'm man. Shout out to firefighters going into not only a burn burning building, but then you have all the smoke that you and you can't really see and you have all this heavy gear.
00:28:12
Speaker
And then if you're using an accelerant, fire burns like extra hot. It's terrifying. don't know how y'all do it. i have a couple of friends that are firefighters and the stuff they talk about is absolutely insane. They're like truly amazing.
00:28:28
Speaker
do awards work out there I would love to hear the stories. Some of the last tribute to the fallen firefighters in 1998, a bronze statue of four firefighters was unveiled in Occidental Park in Pioneer Square to commemorate Lieutenant Gregory Shoemaker, Lieutenant Walter, Walter Kilgore, Randall Turlicker and James Brown for their ultimate sacrifice. So next time you're in Pioneer Square, make sure you go take a peek.
00:28:54
Speaker
I will. I'll go rub their feet. That is, oh that's kind of crazy. Right? No, just, and it is still to this day, the most deadly of fire in the city of Seattle.
00:29:07
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And for what? Like nothing? $3 million dollars of debt? Yeah. And losing 23 years of your life. It's not even worth it. And the skills you gain in Walla Walla, not ideal.
00:29:20
Speaker
Not ideal. That's okay. That was a really good story. I feel like I need to have a like one-on-one college course on extradition policies. Same. I have a a lot more questions now than I did when I started researching this.
00:29:35
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I know. And yes, that would actually, that'd be a fun episode kind of. Ooh. Extradition 101. Extradition 101. Let's put it on the Patreon. Yeah.
00:29:47
Speaker
That was a fantastic episode. Thank you so much. I'm terrified of fire fire. I can't do it. Yeah. Have you ever started a fire in a weird, weird way? have any fire stories?
00:29:58
Speaker
I honestly don't think so. i So my mother loves candles. Loves them. she would sometimes forget to blow them out at night though so it became like my siblings and i would go do like a lap around the house at the end of the night to make sure everything was blown out i forgot like you're so responsible well like there were a lot like we would have them like up on the mantle like around the limit like there probably would probably be like 20 candles so Oh, so we're like talking like a lot of fire.
Personal Stories: Fire Safety and Ghostly Encounters
00:30:29
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Yeah. Yeah. And like they were like little tea lights that eventually like burn burn themselves out. But it was more of a habit than anything else that it was like a team effort.
00:30:39
Speaker
Loki, I'm not gonna lie. The other day I lit a candle in this room to make it smell better and I totally forgot I lit it. Yeah. And I woke up the next morning like, oh, it smells good in here. And then I like went over and i was like oh my God, the candle's still on. And it was like really, really hot. Yeah. But I have a update on my house ghost. Oh, yes.
00:31:02
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Okay, so I was in like a one-on-one meeting the other day and my camera was kind of like facing like it is now. and i But you know how when you're on like a Teams meeting, you can have like a picture as your background.
00:31:18
Speaker
And then if someone walks like into the frame of the the background, it will like show your face or whatever. So I'm in this background and i'm something keeps popping up.
00:31:31
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like but there's no face it just looks you can just start seeing the background of my house but it keeps popping up and to the point where the person I was in the meeting with was like is there is your like dog or in the back like is your is someone back there trying to get your attention and I'm like no idea what that is but it kept happening like throughout the meeting and it was like in the shape of a of a head whoa isn't that creepy that is so creepy Yeah. And that's not the first time there was another meeting I was in.
00:32:02
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Do you know, I don't know if it's just Macs that do this, but there's this feature where you can like put up a thumbs up or like do this and like hearts. Oh yeah. Will like float or like a thumbs up will go or like a speech bubble or whatever. And I was talking on a meeting and I said something about, oh i i like really like ghosts or something like that. And I have all these features turned off. So like when I'm in a meeting, because I talk with my hands a lot, there nothing is like exploding above me.
00:32:31
Speaker
As soon as I said that, this like thumbs up came up on the screen. And then the person I was talking to was like, what was that? And I was like, I don't know. That was weird. And she's like, do you have, do you have like a ghost or whatever? And then all of the balloon feature, like the balloon feature goes off. yeah And I was like, that's crazy. And then somehow we got off the topic and then we got back onto it where she was like, oh, good luck with the ghost or something. And the thumbs up came back, came back.
00:33:00
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m and Yeah, so I don't, maybe it's just the ghost of meeting past, but it's kind of funny. That's crazy. Oh my God, you totally have a ghost. Yeah, definitely. But we're friends. So best friends forever. Thank you guys for listening.
Conclusion and Call-to-Action
00:33:18
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00:33:37
Speaker
Well, that's it for today's dive into the dark corners of the Pacific Northwest. If you love the stories or shivered a little, be sure to subscribe and follow so you don't miss what's lurking beneath the evergreens next time. Thanks for joining us on Beneath the Evergreens. We appreciate you diving into the mysteries with us.
00:33:54
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Until next time, keep your eyes open and your doors locked. And get a fire extinguisher. Yes. Maybe I guess locking the door is fine. Like make sure you close your bedroom door at night. That's actually what one my firefighter friends said was one of the most important things.
00:34:09
Speaker
Because it. Yeah. Because it could stop the fire from coming into your bedroom. And you buy you a little bit of time. Okay. Low key I leave my door open. and So if there's an intruder they come to my room instead of my child's room.
00:34:20
Speaker
That's fair. I mean I guess the fire would come for you first. But at this point maybe it's one for all. All for one. I don't even know if that's the right phrase. Anyways.