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Ramtha: A Cult as Old as Time Part I
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Born from a lineage of chaos and tragedy, Judith “JZ” Knight claimed her suffering forged a doorway to the extraordinary. From spectral orbs to dreams of past lives, she believed her childhood nightmares were not just trauma but prophecy. One night, amid experiments with “pyramid power,” she said a forgotten god-king from 35,000 years ago appeared in her kitchen and never quite left. And from that moment on, Judy wasn’t just a survivor, she was the voice of Ramtha.
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Introduction to 'Beneath the Evergreens'
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Welcome to Beneath the Evergreens, where murder, mysteries, and mayhem lurk in the shadows of the Pacific Northwest. I'm Jess. And I'm Anna. From haunted forests and unsolved disappearances to true crime cases buried deep in the moss and the mist, we're digging into the dark secrets hiding under the evergreens.
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Each episode will explore real cases, eerie encounters, and the legends that keep the Pacific Northwest up at night. So grab your flashlight, lock your doors, and join us beneath the evergreens.
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um and and um That keeps getting better and better. i
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It does. I'm so proud of us. Look at us go.
Reflections on DB Cooper Episode
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um So welcome to episode three. We're already on episode three.
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I re-listened to the DB Cooper one that we did last week. Still stellar. You did such a good job on that one. Oh my goodness. Thank you so very much. That was so much fun. I'm loving this.
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I did go on a deep dive afterwards and I was like, okay, do I need to buy a cork board with some red screen? Right. There's just, there's so much information.
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Like i was like, how do I distill this down? But like also still make it like, not just like, well, this and this and this and this. And we're just sitting here for 10 hours listening to every potential, potential person.
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For sure.
Aviation Safety and Family Anecdotes
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And then when I was in my deep dive, hyperfixation, I actually remembered my step uncle. He's a pilot and flies Cessnas. He actually took me and Emma up to the Museum of Flight with his wife.
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And so we we get there and we're doing like the tour. And I vividly remember we like cross the sky bridge and he was showing um one plane. And one of the planes had this...
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like lever on the outside of it and it's the back door and they actually have created a lock from the outside where you cannot open it unless you're you're there's no wind resistance so the wind the wind is what locks it so you can't you physically can't open it from the back Was that a direct result of the hijacking?
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Uh-huh. Yes, it was. That's so cool. my God. Yeah. i was like, why didn't I remember this? I should have brought this up last week. So I was like, okay, I got to bring it to this week's episode.
00:02:48
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they Your hijacking was so good. It caused a complete design change boat, like a legitimate airplane. That's insane. That's how you know you made it. 100%. if he is alive, kudos to you, my friend. Yeah.
Scientific Advancements and Ethical Concerns
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One thing I wanted to talk to you about just as like a ah warmup to this episode. ah Did you know that scientists have now developed mini brains in a lab?
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Really? Yes. So they've taken- As in miniature in size or capacity like computing capacity? Miniature in size, not sure about the computing capacity. But essentially they've taken human stem cells or brain tissue and or both.
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and have started trying to grow these to mimic aspects of the human brain, like structure, cell types, all and like the electric activity. Whoa. Isn't that kind of creepy?
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I'm concerned with like, what are they going to do with these little brains? That's where I'm at. I'm like, look, this is really, really fascinating and really, really cool. And I support the science. What I don't support is, you know, our human ethics and ethics in general of of world powers.
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Yes. I don't. I just, whenever I hear about these cool innovations in technology, like on the first half, i'm like oh, that's amazing. It's so cool that we can do that. It's like, do we really want to open that door though?
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Do we really want to be able to manufacture human brain? I feel like it's a total species kind of argument and I don't i don't like the repercussions of that.
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I don't like it at all. And this is me coming off of hearing about China having created or invented um like little ovens. What do you call, you know, when baby chicks hatch, they put them in an incubator? Yeah, an incubator. incubator They created ones for humans.
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So let's say you're a woman and you don't necessarily want to carry your baby to term. They can take that out and put it in an incubator, grow it with all of the stuff that they need.
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and then voila, you have a baby. It's part of like, i think I think they developed it for their population control because there's like a severe decline in population. I think just globally, i don't know if we're growing many brains and now we can like grow things externally.
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human life externally at least. i don't know. I feel like it's a slippery slope. Yeah. Like, I mean, you can already take two people or two like pieces of people, like combine it in a test tube, right? And now that you have the incubation piece of that, like, could we just grow people from donations?
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And then and you i just you lose community. You don't have that, like, ah who's going to take care of this kid then? Is it just going to be like mass homes of kit kids without real parents like i i'm just thinking like if i'm gonna go sci-fi brain with it i'm like oh china not china or if the u.s had this i could see the u.s doing this too growing their own army and these kids are born into essentially like a slave warrior camp and your whole life is just
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fighting and, and, you know, becoming a soldier. And then combined with the DARPA stuff, I promise this is the last thing I'm going to talk about and then we can get into my episode because it's actually quite long.
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They're developing, like they're messing with human DNA to make people like have super strength in specific areas. So they're taking like animal genes. night vision or being able to jump really high or predator strength or something like that. And i'm trying to splice it into human genomes to create essentially a super soldier soldier or people with incredible abilities.
00:06:35
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Interesting. So I have a slightly weird tangent off of this before go into your story. i love it right This is my favorite part. So my husband is a strength coach. So we talk a lot about, about how people move and,
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people that tend to be better athletes tend to naturally gravitate towards using specific parts of their body. So like you think of Chinese weightlifters, right? they have this and really great weightlifting program that's not because their coaches are really good or they they know how to treat athletes because they basically take kids from a very young age and they ask you know who's the fastest in your class who's the the better jumper or something and those are people that naturally gravitate i believe towards like using their glutes for a lot of things and if you're able to naturally like use larger muscle groups or even just use specific muscle groups from a young age
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you're going to be a better athlete, essentially, with the right training. So they're already kind of taking those people that are gifted, not necessarily genetically, because they don't know it's not that they have, like, more musculature at a younger age or, like, just DNA is different. It's just that they have, for some reason, bias towards using muscle groups at a certain time.
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And that's how they're making these incredible athletes. So, like, you combined some kind of, like, I innate quality to bias towards something plus extra strength in that and that same area.
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Yeah. You could 100% form like a super soldier, if you will. That's kind of, that's eerie. That's, first of all, that's really cool that they've been able to identify that and then coach people.
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But I guess that also kind of eliminates some of the free will. I don't know. 100%. Yeah. I don't, coach is a generous term. I don't know. More like a tater coach.
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I do think there's a lot of like ah coercion that maybe goes on with some of these really intense programs. ah Yeah, I'm like thinking to myself, it's like one day you're a kid, you're in your second day grade classroom.
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Some masked figure comes in and is like, hey, have you ever thought about going to the Olympics? And the kid's like, no, I haven't. It's like, well, today your training starts, so buckle up, let's go.
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poor kid poor poor kid that is not real
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all right well today i have for you um a cult story i love a cult story yes have you ever heard of ramtha or jay-z knight the name rings a bell but no i don't know if i actually
Introduction to Jay-Z Knight and Her Influence
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do Gotcha. So now she's located in Yelm, Washington and has pretty substantial following.
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Yes. Do you know how I've heard of this? Yes. No, I don't. But who so? Because every time I talk with like my aunt or my grandma about going down south, they always go, you know, in Yelm, there's a cult.
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Yes, and it's very well established. It's also a beautiful property. I'm kind of jelly that um I don't get to just go. I would like to just go and walk around. There was also a piece of this story that I covered where she almost got me.
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I was watching some videos and I said, Jesse, you need to stop watching the videos and you need to step away right now. Or I'm going to go to these, I'm going to spend $1,000 on this class for no reason.
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So be careful, everyone. Colts are real. you They get you. have honestly never been more concerned for you.
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Yes, especially with the journey I've been on lately with like meditation and like going into these other planes. Gateway tapes is something I would love to bring to the show. It's not necessarily Washington specific, but man, I've been looking into that far too deeply.
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Okay, so but that's neither here nor there for this story. um So how is this is going to kind of go is I'm going to give you the backstory about Jay-Z Knight and her family, maybe how she came up with the Knight, Jay-Z Knight, and then we're going to go into...
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the cult, and then some repercussions that came from the cult. So this part one is mostly, spoiler alert, this going a two-parter because, again, I researched for like 12 hours, and there's just so much that I want to talk about.
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But before I get started, ah just need everyone to know there are references to abuse, child sexual abuse, trauma, loss, so definitely listener discretion very much advised here.
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So where I'm going start our story is actually not with Judy herself, who is Jay-Z's original name. I'm actually going to start with her mother because like I feel like this term generational trauma really kind of sets the stage for where Jay-Z is now and maybe where she can kind of disassociate.
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um I'm not a psychologist by any means. um I have a very high level knowledge of psychology. I'm talking like Psych 101 from college, but some of these traits that I see, I'm like, oh her past kind of dictated how she was able to be successful moving forward.
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So our subject again is Judith Darlene Hampton, later known as Judy, and then eventually known to the world as Jay-Z Knight. She was born March 16th, 1946 in New Mexico so into ah lineage really marked by instability, hardship,
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resilience, kind of pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, lots of poverty. So her mother, Helen Prentice Hart, left home at 13. Oh, wow.
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I'm just saying for anyone to move from your home and stability at 13, you know, there had to be something going on there. Again, this was the great depression. So maybe that fed into it.
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um But still 13 is very young to move yeah from a house. So she started working various jobs, mostly in cooking to survive um through this time.
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It was while she was a cook where she met a very much older man. It's not said who this man was or or how old he was, but it was significantly older. um And so she entered into this relationship.
00:13:08
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She married this man. They had two sons together, but it was not a very great marriage as I'm guessing if this guy was even in his twenties and she's 13, when you're 13, you're a baby.
00:13:19
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Yeah, i could not imagine committing to someone and then having two kids. There's so much growth happening. Like, of course, there's going to be like some tensions. So it started also getting pretty bad because she had a very overbearing mother-in-law.
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Her mother-in-law didn't like her. And she really was like, you're not doing a good job as a mom, which again, when you're that young, I could only imagine She's still a kid herself. like yeah might be a good mom How hard that would be. So under pressure, they get a divorce and her mother-in-law is like, actually, I'm going to take your sons.
00:13:55
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What? I think that I can raise them better. I think I can provide a better life for them. I'm going to take the kids. And she being kind of young and malleable says, okay, that's fine. You can take the kids.
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And so then she starts looking for work. At this time, you know her her ex-husband is not going to support her anyway, so she's again on her own. And at this point, she's only like 16. So she's looking for work. It's the Great Depression. She moves to Texas to become a cotton picker.
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And she works from like sunup to sundown every single day in these fields, picking cotton. she's She's pulling like a six-foot bag behind her, filling it to the brim, and that's how she's getting paid. She's getting paid per bag of cotton that she fix she picks.
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So imagine lugging this six-foot long bag and having to fill that. multiple ones a day to be able to feed yourself like that's that's insane that's a lot so while working on this farm she meets this man named charles hampton And one thing we need to know about Charles Hampton is that he loved drinking and women in that order.
00:15:05
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That is literally his priorities is where's my next beer coming from? And then who can I take home with me that night? Sounds like a standup guy. Very standup guy.
00:15:15
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I mean, totally the guy you want to procreate with. You know what I mean? Oh, 100%. Yeah. But there's a line. I mean, the house constantly. There may be another relationship happening with more kids. There's more brothers and sisters, you know?
00:15:28
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You can all hold hands, sing Kumbaya. um So usually with these types of individuals, or it's a trend I've seen, can't statistically say this is true, but a lot of people that have this mindset are very charismatic and can kind of put like a spell on you. They're kind of like, they they can weave their words.
00:15:48
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And Helen fell in love with him. They get married and Immediately, Helen gives birth to a daughter named Bootsy. And then a couple years later, she has another daughter named Wanda.
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um As you might expect or anticipate, Charles, you know, he shows up on paydays only and takes all of Helen's money. And so actually when she had Bootsy, her first daughter, she gave birth to this little girl in the middle of a field, cotton field.
00:16:19
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She took two hours off that day, went home, slept the night. And then her and her infant baby were out in the field the next day at sunrise working all day long so that she could afford to keep her kids afloat.
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And then this man who, you know, is doing nothing except for impregnating her shows up on paydays and takes essentially all of her money. So she's constantly broke and she's constantly having to like live off other people's generosity, um even though she's a really hard worker.
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So one particular day, a a really pivotal tragedy struck. um So this is when I'm gonna child loss. So definitely trigger warning there. Charles came home one day, Helen is washing Wanda in in a tub on the the kitchen counter.
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Bootsy's playing it with marbles in the background. Charles comes in and he's really upset because he doesn't get immediate attention from Helen. He essentially, you know, hits Helen.
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Bootsy tries to step in. She kicks him and he grabs her, throws her against the wall to which Helen says, run Bootsy run so she Bootsy grabs her marbles and she runs towards a reservoir because they're living on a farm this reservoir is close it also feeds all the irrigation dishes on the property so she she's like this is my safe place there's water I'm gonna go there while she's playing with marbles something happened and she ends up in the reservoir no and then her body is found the next day
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And this is really traumatizing because when Helen, you know, when people come to her the next day say, hey, we found Bootsy. She's already like kind of beat up a little bit. She's she' very sad. Well, Charles left that night and didn't find out that his child was dead for two months.
00:18:07
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Two months. Two months. Like this is the type of person. Because he ran off to Texas to get drunk. And so, you know, at this time, Helen is also four months pregnant.
00:18:20
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So not only does she have two babies by this man, but she's pregnant actively. So she's, and then this is of the time where it's like divorces aren't, they don't, they don't happen. And especially if you're poor, like you can't afford a lawyer, like, and it's, it's frowned upon in this day and age, right? it It's fifties.
00:18:40
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People aren't, it's just not of the time we you don't you stick by your man and that's kind of what it is how sorry question how did she get her first divorce was was he more wealthy and was able to facilitate it okay yes yeah he was a wealthy man which also creeps me out like if you're that wealthy and you're that much older i'm some reports said he was like 20 other reports that he was more like 40.
00:19:06
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ooh So that's why i didn't say a specific name. But if you're 40 and you're trying to brought like wed a 13-year-old, I think there's questionable motives. Of course there's questionable motives.
00:19:18
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I feel like that's – even back in the day, what was the age of consent in America? Isn't it 16? It is now. I don't know what it was back then, if it was even if you know even if it was enforceable at that point.
00:19:29
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Yeah, I don't know. 12 years after this incident, this is when Judith came into the picture, um our star of this particular show. Her mother named her after a woman in the Bible named who is known to be very holy and very mystical as a woman. She was able, she was like almost witch-like is what is how it was described.
00:19:50
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um So early, her early life mirrored the instability that we've I've talked about before. So ah Helen is still married um to Charles, who's very abusive. He comes in and out of the picture.
00:20:04
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um And at four years old, you know, her dad's away. um They're living in this the essentially ramshackle shack. And Judy has a problem with um having accidents a lot. She pees her pants a lot.
00:20:18
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um They're constantly out in the field picking cotton. Like it's kind of a hard life. So one day her brothers that that were older bring this raccoon to the house.
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The raccoon kind of goes raven. She pees her pants because she's so scared. Trigger warning here for child ah abuse. So she decides that she's going to go back to her house and she's going to change before anyone will know. She's very embarrassed that she peed her pants.
00:20:43
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She's in her house, she's changing her her underwear and she hears someone in the back room. So she goes to investigate what's going on. This is when she sees her uncle in the back room, allegedly, this is alleged, who is very drunk and tells her to come here.
00:21:03
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He grabs her and he sexually and verbally assaults her. She immediately after she's let go, she runs out, to the fields. She's telling her mom, Hey, I'm in a a lot of pain. This is what happened.
00:21:17
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Her mom kind of goes quiet, but then she says, you stay here. Her mom goes back to the house to investigate. Apparently no one was there. Her mom comes back out and says, you know what? I think this was just a nightmare.
00:21:30
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I think you just have a rash because you know, you pee your pants a lot. It didn't actually happen. It's just a nightmare. And so this kind of I think was formative for for Judy.
00:21:43
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I couldn't imagine being so young. At this time, she's only six. Oh my God. Right? So I can't imagine being a six-year-old and then having this happen. And then my mom is just saying it's a nightmare. it didn't really happen.
00:21:55
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And then she kind of stopped trusting men. She didn't want to be around men. So it it kind of... it makes sense. Well, I can imagine from her mom said a little bit too, it's like, you don't want to believe that that actually happened, right? Like that you don't want your child to have gone through that. So it's probably maybe it wasn't even like malintention, but in her mind, it's just like, Oh, me maybe it's maybe it was a dream. Maybe you did just imagine it. And maybe you can forget about It it won't have a profound effect on you.
00:22:22
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Obviously, that wasn't the case. But Yeah, I would like to believe that. But at the same time, as a mom, I don't know if my six year old came up to me and then had graphic detail of that.
Jay-Z Knight's Early Life and Challenges
00:22:35
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I think I don't know. But again, i think the times back then are a different lens. So I'm speaking from my 2025 lens of You know, if my child described this in detail, I would be like, oh, shit.
00:22:50
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First of all, I'm going to go to jail for murder because this guy will be dead. There will be lots of torture involved in this death as well. But um I'm not sure. Like back then, they lived in essentially like a one room shack because, you know, Charles always stole their money.
00:23:04
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um So maybe she saw. Things that were maybe maybe a little more adult for her. So she had more exposure. Yeah. And like she's running around. Like I imagine there's not a constant oversight over all the kids, right? Like you're you're working all the time.
00:23:21
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So don't know, not to excuse it, maybe ah give her a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. but so um a Yeah. to give her some leeway because I'm guessing in that household, when Charles came back, there was everything, everything changed. I'm guessing there was some sexual abuse there as well to his wife, but either way, that this, it was, cut this was kind of a pivotal moment moment in Judy's life.
00:23:46
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And you know Charles kept coming in and out, and eventually it got so bad that Helen was like, I got to get out of here. So she actually does successfully divorce Charles based on this history of domestic violence and this history of stealing her money she moves to new mexico and in new mexico she decides and i need to marry someone for a father figure i think also again back in this day and age for a woman to really be successful i think you had to be married to a man i mean at this point ah woman still can't own her have her own bank account yeah
00:24:21
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So it makes sense where wherere her next step is, I got to find someone that I can marry that's going to be good to my kids, that will be a good father figure. And this is when Bill Angeli, I think is how you say his name. It's A-N-G-E-L-E-E.
00:24:37
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So Angeli comes into the picture. Helen didn't marry this man for love. She married him because he was financially stable. He was well off. and could provide a specific life for her children um and also be maybe a more so stable father figure.
00:24:53
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With this marriage, the family had a significant increase in wealth. Judy was able to get into a better public school. She didn't have to work all the time. Instead of wearing, you know, overalls that were crusted in dirt and not washing for for long periods of time, she was able to take showers and have pretty dresses and and really grow into a little kid that didn't have to work all the time.
00:25:15
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um And she threw herself into academics and extracurriculars. So she was a majorette. She was an athlete. And by her own accounts was a beauty. She was a stunner. um And again, I say, Judy, she thinks very highly of herself.
00:25:32
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She thinks she was, you know, grade A, 10 out of 10. She also does, she mimics people and mimics accents in a very interesting way. She has specific accent for her mother, which is like a Southern, it's just interesting. If anyone goes and listens to her talk about her family, or there's also a point where she talks about a psychic and how the psychic told her that she was going to actually become this cult leader in
00:26:05
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Washington, she uses this really aggressive Indian tone. It's just bad. She's... an interesting person anyways she has this like narcissistic vibe when she talks about herself like it's very much like yeah when i was 12 i didn't hit puberty yet so i didn't necessarily have boobs but you know i had cinnamon freckles all over my face and i had these beautiful radiant eyes and very much just casting herself in the light of i am god's gift to earth as you have to be if you're going to be a cult leader you know i feel ah yeah
00:26:38
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100%. Definitely a trademark. um So while she's living in Bill's house and while she's you know going through puberty, she's starting to have these very vivid vivid dreams and this like and ah unexplained phenomena.
00:26:52
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She actually recalls one day when she was at a birthday party, ah they're having a sleepover. like all little girls do when they have a sleepover, they're listening to music, they're kind of singing and dancing, doing a little bit of karaoke.
00:27:05
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And all of a sudden they see this really weird orange glow from the window. So they all run over to the window and they look outside and the house across the street, about a hundred feet in the air, they see this disc-like shape.
00:27:20
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It's glowing red, They don't hear any noise, but it's this weird red shape that's just bobbing 100 feet in the air above the house next door. What? Yeah. i So she's seen a UFO is what I'm guessing.
00:27:36
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Or what she's saying. This is what she's saying. This is her story. Has it been corroborated? No. No, it is not. and Noted. Okay.
00:27:47
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Yes, she sees this glowing red thing in the sky and she's apparently got so scared that she ran to the bed, hid in some stuffed animals, which is a very little kid thing to do. I remember when I used to get scared as little kid, you know, I would always go to my stuffed animals and cuddle with them in the bed.
00:28:04
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actually fun story about i'm gonna go on a tangent sorry guys but when i was a little kid my brother had this white bear i think it was his i you know jury's still out on this i thought it was my bear but he said it was his bear and i was i loved this thing and he was like we got into a fight one time and he took the bear back and he says Your name's not even written on it.
00:28:26
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So it's my bear. And so in my little kid brain, I snuck into the room when he was at school and I stole the bear and I took a Sharpie and I put my name all over the bear.
00:28:38
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It was all over the bear. And when he got home, I was like, see my name's on it.
00:28:45
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And then I got to keep it from that point on. That is some little sister shit. Oh my God. I've also but i've been a terrorist to my brother since I was born. I think.
00:28:57
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Anyways, where were we? So she' was hiding she was hiding in a plume of stuffed animals. And apparently she doesn't remember the rest of the night. Apparently neither do any of the other girls. It's a complete loss of time, which again is common in UFO abduction stories. It's this loss of time, seeing something, and then shortly thereafter, you don't remember what happened.
00:29:17
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You wake up the next day and, or I should say the girls wake up the next day and they're not even talking about it. It's like it never even happened. It's just this like, memory that they have and everyone's kind of ah avoiding the topic.
00:29:31
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um And then also when she's 17, she starts developing these intense dreams about people calling her Lily. And, and it's when she's dreaming, she's in this completely other reality.
00:29:45
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She has this boyfriend. it very much feels like when she's sleeping, she's actually going to another place and she's not dreaming. It's like another life. And then she wakes back up And then she's in, she's in her Judy body.
00:30:00
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So she's very concerned about this. She goes to her mom and she's like, Hey, do you ever feel like when you dream, you're actually going to another place to what your mom says? Oh, you're dreaming about your past life.
00:30:12
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I have dreams like this too, about past lives, past lives. And I actually, you know, have gut feelings and oftentimes my gut feelings are right. Sometimes I have dreams and the things in the dreams come true, which I,
00:30:27
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which I kind of believe from her mother. I've also had dreams sometimes where they come true. I mean, the other day I dreamed that i met, I went to the store, like grocery store.
00:30:40
Speaker
And while at the grocery store, I was leaving, I was walking in the parking lot and I saw this coworker and her husband and we got into like ah a talking thing. And then I got in my car and I left the next day I went to the grocery store and I saw that lady who lives in Seattle at my local grocery store and given I wasn't in a towel everybody key piece of that key piece key piece was left out yes um but I mean people have deja vu like this stuff happens but I'm not sure that I've ever I don't know I don't know what to believe with Judy to be quite honest I keep thinking like all this is self-reported right
00:31:21
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Yes, it's all self-reported. And with someone that seems to think very highly of themselves, potentially a narcissist, if you will, i I'm often of the opinion that they're not the most reliable storytellers. so like but Like, is this, um maybe, I believe there's kernels of truth, but yet yeah yes, she's connecting with her past self.
00:31:44
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I don't... Definitely, yeah, leveraging this mystical thread throughout her life, think is what Okay. So she's having dreams of her past life.
00:31:56
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She later dreams um that she actually is her little sister Bootsy. Oh. She feels that... And that Marble story told you about? So let me set this up.
00:32:09
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So she's having some trouble... with a significant other. She goes back to her mom's house and she's in the kitchen with her mom. And she's like, Hey, I know that I had an older sister that I never met. Can you tell me what actually happened?
00:32:23
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And her mom says, you know, there was an altercation. i told her to leave the house. The next thing I know she's waking up in the ditch the next day. So that Marvel story I told you about is actually Jay-Z Knight's interpretation of how Bootsy died.
00:32:40
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So she says that her mom told her that Bootsy, you know, died in this irrigation ditch. She shows Jay-Z and I pictures of Bootsy and then a side-by-side of what she looks like. They look very similar, which again, you have the same mom and same dad.
00:32:53
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I think you're going look kind of alike. Yes. And then her mom's like, yeah, you guys actually have a lot of personality traits that are alike. My sister and I also have similar personality traits.
00:33:04
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Yeah. And so normal sibling behavior. So Jay Z takes this and she falls asleep. And then while she's asleep, she has this dream that Bootsy actually grabbed her marbles and was like trying to find her favorite marble.
00:33:17
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The marble bag accidentally opens and all the marbles go into the reservoir. She goes into the reservoir after it, after it. And and that's how she dies. And this is not substantiated. Again, this is Jay Z Knight's interpretation. Bootsy did die, but how she died is, you know, questionable.
00:33:34
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So Jay-Z Knight has this dream. She wakes up the next day and then apparently tells her mom that, you know, I am Bootsy.
00:33:43
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To which I say, you have to have some cojones to tell your mom, I'm actually your dead child. Right. I don't understand that. Anyways, so moving on.
00:33:57
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Judy, you know fast forward, she marries a man named Karis Hensley. Before she marries Karis, she actually goes to, she tries to go to college.
00:34:08
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She wants to go to Texas Tech, but she can't quite afford it. So she goes to this business college. She's working before college before college And then she goes to college, then she has a job afterwards.
00:34:20
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And she starts getting really exhausted from that. Apparently she collapses during this time. And the doctor tells her, hey, you have to stop going to school. You can't actually follow your dream. You're going to have to go home. No.
00:34:34
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Oh, man. To which I say, I don't know if that's true. Because one thing that Judy loves to do is victimize herself. And I'm not sure any doctor...
00:34:45
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I don't know, again, maybe it's back in the day, but I'm not sure of any doctor that would say, you actually have to give up on your dreams and you have to move home. I think a doctor would say, hey, you got to find a way to eat more. You got to find a way to sleep more.
00:35:00
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That's all I'm telling you. I'm not saying you have to give up. so What era are we in right now? We're in the 60s. So I feel like that's kind of pivotal in a way. Like, I feel like especially like in the South, I could very much see someone being like, eh, like women shouldn't really be in school anyway. Like, just go home. Like, nah.
00:35:21
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your That is true because Bill was known to say, and I quote, women are a waste of a good education. Fuck right off. Oh my God. um ah So maybe that was like her predisposition. And when the doctor is saying, Hey, you, you got to go home. Like you're, she's primed for this. So.
00:35:40
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so She goes home and while she's home, you know, she's in a kind of a depression, which I understand. Um, if I had if this dream and it didn't work out and I had to go home and live with my mom, I think I would also be depressed a little bit too.
00:35:54
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So while she's home, she, this man named Karis, who she went to high school with starts showing up, they start going out together. Um, she doesn't love him at all. She doesn't even like him very much.
00:36:05
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And she didn't even really like him in high school. And, He says, i don't care if you don't love me. I actually would like to get married to you. um Your love for me doesn't really matter. I just want to get married.
00:36:19
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And so she says yes. And they get married that night in Mexico. What? Yeah. So he proposes. She knows she doesn't like him. She doesn't like him. She doesn't even love him.
00:36:30
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Like, sorry, reverse that. She knows she doesn't love him. She doesn't even really like him that much. And she says, sure, let's get married. And they get married that night. Oh my God.
00:36:41
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Okay. like Impulses of the youth, wild. She gets married, they have their first child. And while she has her first child, Karis becomes very controlling.
00:36:51
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And these are in his, her words, ah again, very controlling, very possessive. Doesn't allow her to go out of the house very much. Keeps her on like a strict budget, which I actually think this part is true.
00:37:04
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would give her a certain allotment of money. And then if she didn't, you know, if she spent too little, he'd be like, well, where's the change? Give me all the change. If she spent too much, he'd be like, well, what are you buying that you're not giving me? What are you what are you hiding from me? Kind of a thing. So very controlling.
00:37:19
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She decides to return to her mom's house. Unfortunately, while at her mom's house, she finds out that she's pregnant with her second child. like And her mom being of that era, remember she stayed married to Charles for a very long time. And again, this is 60, 70. So it's very much you stick by your man, stand by your man.
00:37:39
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And her mom is pushing her to stay with him. Yeah. That mom was like, I think we should go back. That I don't get like you were in such a rough situation for so long and you want your daughter to go through the same thing as you.
00:37:54
Speaker
How? Yeah. That's something that have a hard time grasping. Like the, culture around like staying with your husband and like the like gender roles at this time like I cannot imagine today my mom being in that situation and being like just just keep doing it like I feel like we've had so much shifting in the last 50 years but think yeah that's that's actively crazy yeah and I hope that our mindsets stay like that I feel like there's this trend lately where it's like
00:38:28
Speaker
trad wives women should be in the kitchen you know barefoot making babies and i hope we don't slide back to a time like this where we're literally telling our children our little girls and i don't care who you are when emma's 30 feel like i'm still gonna see her as my like little baby like this is my child that i raise and i love so much if i found out she was an abusive situation i mean i'm gonna support her no matter what i mean i know people that are going through domestic violence and It's a scary place. And I know a lot of people, when you leave, that's actually when the abuse gets a lot worse and you have the potential to die yeah or or be murdered or, or, or get hurt. And some people just, you know, the finances are a thing they can't move away, but I could never imagine, you know, if she was really like, I don't want to go back. I'd be like, I live here forever. yeah Yeah. In fact, if you want, I will build you a bunker in the basement. Like I don't, I will build a basement. Like I want to support you however I want.
00:39:23
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Um, yeah. But she's her mom is actively pushing her to go back because she's pregnant. So, you know, your mom is a very pivotal person. And if she's telling you go back, go back. So she did go back.
00:39:36
Speaker
And but this time was a little different. She decided that she was going to make her own way and independent. So she started her own daycare at home since she was a stay at home mom. And with the proceeds, she was able to save up a lot of money as like a nest egg just in case.
00:39:51
Speaker
Good for her. she She builds this nest egg for herself. And one day, it's it's Christmas time. Her husband comes home um and she finds like lipstick in an inappropriate place on his jeans. She finds a motel key and she's like, you know what? I've had enough.
00:40:07
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I'm pulling the plug. We're leaving. So he gets in a drunken rage about this and he leaves the house. She packs the suitcases and she goes back to Roswell, New Mexico, co finds a house um with the nest egg that she saves.
00:40:21
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But now she's like, what next? Roswell doesn't have a booming job sector. She doesn't really know what to do. She answers an ad in the paper to become a door-to- door to door salesman.
00:40:34
Speaker
Oh, And this is when her potential character trait from her father really comes into play. She struggles to sell things the first day.
00:40:45
Speaker
So then she throws herself into books about how to be a good salesman, how to convince people to buy your product. And she puts on this charismatic persona and starts beating all of these records.
00:40:58
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She is salesman of the year. She becomes branch manager. She's telling people, she's like training people how to be a successful salesman. She's very, very charismatic. So charismatic,
00:41:10
Speaker
and so successful. She actually gets moved to be ah marketing director in Southern California. Oh, wow. She's pulled herself up but by the boots bootstraps. She's done this as a single mom of two kids. So like shout out to her. That must've been ridiculously crazy. Yeah. But she, she's very successful. I mean, she paid to move to California. They have, you know, a maid that lives with them full time to help her out. She's just killing the game. Okay.
00:41:37
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Judy. Yes. And so again, very charismatic. And so while she's working here, her boss tells her, Hey, your name, Judy or Judith, it's a little too uptight.
00:41:50
Speaker
I'm going to need you to change it. And she's like, what do you mean? And he's like, it's just your personality, the way you dress. You're so beautiful. Judith or Judy just doesn't fit your name. You got to change it.
00:42:03
Speaker
And she's like, well, you know, back when I was living in New Mexico, um I wore a lot of black and white. So people used to call me zebra. And he's like, we can work with this. Let's call you zebra. And she's like, well, that's not really professional.
00:42:16
Speaker
And he's like, got it. We're going to call you Jay-Z.
00:42:20
Speaker
And this is where the name Jay-Z came up.
00:42:25
Speaker
So, okay. Jay-Z, you know, she's successful and as a salesman for this cable company. She gets sent a whole bunch of places. One of the places she gets sent is actually Tacoma, Washington.
00:42:39
Speaker
um She starts living in Lakewood and then the company she's working for goes bankrupt. So she's, she's out of a job while she's out of the job. She, um, starts her own businesses and while they're somewhat successful, she's working so much that again, she works herself into sickness.
Jay-Z Knight's Transformative Experiences
00:42:58
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She has this weird kind of bone marrow thing going on as well as like a virus that keeps coming back. She's on chemotherapy. She's oh my god not like, it's a very bad situation.
00:43:10
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Um, One day her neighbors come over and say, hey, we want you to come with us to this traveling preacher show.
00:43:21
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That low-key sound is something you would ask me to come to with you. Correct. um ah Just for the vibes and the plot. Of course.
00:43:31
Speaker
So they go, she's like, you know what? God's always been in my life. I'm not worried about this. This is the first time also where she starts talking about how God has been such a pivotal figure in her life.
00:43:43
Speaker
Nowhere to this point have I, did I research and and see where she's saying that God was very much in her life. So you say, God's in my life. The devil doesn't like command me. Like I'm very religious. I don't need to go to the service, but somehow they convince her to go.
00:43:59
Speaker
She goes, okay. They're here. She gets called forward and it she tells the preacher, Hey, if you mentioned the devil, going to ask you to go to hell because I know that the devil doesn't control me. And I am ah person of God. God is within me. I am God. Essentially the preacher says noted.
00:44:18
Speaker
um Let me just go ahead and pray for you and get you you know out of my face. so he's smart He starts praying. And while he's praying a lightning bolt shoots from the sky This is her story.
00:44:32
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A lightning bolt shoots from the sky, comes down and hits her. The preacher goes flying. Everyone sees this lightning bolt, but she doesn't feel a thing. What she feels is that she has become God.
00:44:47
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She feels incredible. She's healed herself with the power of the lightning bolt and Jesus. Apparently she's got Zeus on her side. I cannot do this. Oh my God. going to start calling her Hercules, like, at this point.
00:44:59
Speaker
Like, what? This, no. No. Again, has anyone corroborated this story? Apparently her neighbors. I don't know. In her story, her neighbors come up and is like, oh my gosh, did you feel the lightning bolt and the craziness and the yada, yada, yada? And she's like, no, I didn't feel that. You know what I did feel?
00:45:20
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That I am God. And God lives on me, and I am God, and I healed myself. What do you do if someone comes up to you and says, i am God? I would say, congratulations.
00:45:34
Speaker
Talk to you later. going to head the other direction. I'm going to head out. Sounds like you got everything handled, so I'm going go.
00:45:45
Speaker
It's about this time where she decides that, like her mother, she needs to find a second she needs to find a second husband. She needs to find a father figure for her kids, someone that's going to bring her financial stability. In comes Jeremy Wilder.
00:46:00
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Jeremy Wilder is a dentist. He's kind of the high fluton society, um to which I say, how do you pull these bits? the The charisma. It's that charisma. Yeah, she's really got it going on.
00:46:12
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And so she doesn't necessarily marry for love, but she marries this man because he brings her stability. He's also very accepting of her and her kids, um which i I can appreciate.
00:46:23
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So they get married. With this comes dinner parties and you know society, yada, yada, yada. At one of these dinner parties, Jeremy and Jay-Z at this time, everyone calls her Zebra now, but...
00:46:37
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Jeremy and Zebra, because she wears black and white. ah Very interesting. Anyways, um they learn about pyramid power. I don't know. Jeremy gets infatuated with this pyramid power.
00:46:51
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He asks her, you know, tomorrow I'm going to need you to go buy a whole bunch of books on this pyramid power and I'm going to learn about it. And she says, Roger that. I will get you these books. Brings him the books. He's fascinated by it.
00:47:04
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One night, very late, he starts making pyramids. And she starts making pyramids. I'm not sure if these are like out of newspapers. It didn't really specify about these pyramids, but they start putting them everywhere.
00:47:16
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I'm talking on top of that dry dog food, on top of the refrigerator, like on top of their heads. And while they're having this like fun little time, apparently Jay-Z zebra um holds up one of these pyramids and says, when I hold this up to the light,
00:47:34
Speaker
I am going to meet someone that is going to change my life. So she holds up the pyramid and bam, a spirit appears. An ethereal figure steps into the room with long flowing robes, with jewels encrusted everywhere. And she is struck with awe.
00:47:53
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And this is where Ramtha comes into the picture. Ramtha or the Ram, as she lovingly calls him,
00:48:04
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The Ramster. um Which is her followers. That's what they call themselves. Ramsters. Ramsters? Ramsters. Like a hamster, but with an R. Ramsters.
00:48:16
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I... Oh my god. Okay. Okay. I'm just like... My jaw is just continually dropping. This is cool. So, um this being is called Ramtha. ah He apparently is a 35,000-year-old warrior spirit from Lumeria, who, according to his narrative...
00:48:34
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once conquered most of the ancient world, achieved ascension, and now is coming to Jay-Z so that he can spread his source of truth and enlightenment and wisdom through her.
00:48:48
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Of course. And then he disappears.
00:48:53
Speaker
That's the hell too. To which I say, maybe check yourself in. I don't know. So during this time, while she's talking to Ramtha, she's apparently mumbling to herself.
00:49:04
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She's just in the corner holding this thing and like, i mean, I mean, like talking to this, this thing, her husband is watching her. She comes out of it she's like, I just met this 35,000 year old warrior who's named Ramtha.
00:49:17
Speaker
And it's, it's crazy. It's crazy. And he's like, you know what, honey, I believe you. What would you do if your husband held up a pyramid, said they're going to meet someone and i all of sudden starts talking gibberish.
00:49:30
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one So first question, are they on anything? No. Like, you're not sober? Okay, maybe I believe it. But no. We are promptly going to a psychiatric institution. Like, like they're we're getting some help because this is not okay.
00:49:46
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Yeah, I think he might have been a little too supportive. Because if I saw this, I would say, I'm going to need you to leave for the night. I don't care where you go, but I'm going need some space.
00:49:58
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I... One thing that I didn't mention is that when he showed up to her, he said, your kids are going to have a dream. And in this dream, something terrible is going to happen. And you actually need to move out of your house by Friday or the dream that your kid had is going to come true.
00:50:16
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And the dream that the child had is that someone breaks into their house, slits all of their throats and leaves wild.
00:50:26
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So Jay-Z... is driving around the next day and she's thinking about this. And apparently this Ramtha pops up in her car while she's driving and says, you need to stop and turn into this parking lot right now and talk to this guy and tell him you want a great a great white manor.
00:50:47
Speaker
What? Yeah, I don't know. Pops up in the car and says, you need to turn into this parking lot and you need to talk to this guy and buy the great white manor. think he comes with a little pop. like ah he's got to be like a jean have you ever seen i dream genie no i've not my gosh then this is gonna be wasted on you have you ever played with smoke bombs like the the ones that are colorful like fourth july you light them and it's just like colored yeah smoke that comes out okay so i dream of genie used to like he would say genie i can't remember how he summoned her but whenever she would appear it'd be like a pop and then this pink smoke would just come up and this is what i envision happens with him he just like pops up in this blue smoke comes everywhere how would you how would your genie pop up in your life oh
00:51:40
Speaker
I kind of like the when I think of like a pop of a figure it's one of those like I feel like I know in the movies like maybe 70s or 80s where it's like clearly like the filming stopped and then it starts up again with them sitting there.
00:51:55
Speaker
Like my editing skills? Kind of yes but just like the the only transition is the pop sound and then all of a sudden they're there. Surprise.
00:52:08
Speaker
We can, oh oh, oh, this is what happened. That in between space is actually the fabric of space and time ripping to allow this person. course, of course. ah Okay, so pops in her car, tells her, pull into this parking lot, talk to this get the great white manor.
00:52:25
Speaker
So she decides to just take her immediate right, goes into a parking lot, just so happens to be a real estate office. Just so happens, of course. Just so happens. She walks into the the place and she says, I need to buy a white house by Friday.
00:52:39
Speaker
To what she says, bet. So they go house shopping. Okay. And she buys a house that day. What? Yes. Puts down a down payment on this house. What a time to be alive that you can just walk to a real estate agent and be like, yeah, i want to buy a house today.
00:52:56
Speaker
no isn't that insane yes no loans or anything needed like you're just you got the funds the house is affordable enough especially yeah especially here exactly he was saying it was like think she paid 85 000 for it don't quote me on that but i believe it was like 85 000 or like under 100 000 sure to which i what a time to be alive part two jesus So, but she doesn't have, all I think she just put down a down payment. I don't think she paid in cash, but either way she buys this house and then she calls her husband and says, Hey, I just bought a house.
00:53:32
Speaker
And he said, fantastic. And then she says, we got to move in by Friday. He says, got it. Let's do it. Takes off work. To which I say, believe in your partner, love your partner, support your partner.
00:53:48
Speaker
But in instances like this, These are huge financial and life-changing decisions. Maybe talk to each other. Yes. Yes. Like, I feel like I'm forming a picture of who this man is based off of all these interactions. And I just feel like he's just so happy to be married.
00:54:09
Speaker
Like, could not care less what she's doing, who she is. Just like, I'm married, though, and that's pretty sick. Yeah. That's pretty sick. ah Yeah. And she's beautiful. She's lovely. It's just working out for me.
00:54:21
Speaker
I don't understand it, but whatever. So they move in and um Friday night, they don't quite have everything from their house, but they decide even though they don't have the beds and stuff over, they're still going to stay in the new house Friday night because that was when the horrible, awful thing was happen.
00:54:35
Speaker
So they stay in the house Friday night. Next Saturday, they they go to the house that they just moved away from. When they get there, the house has has been broken in two. No.
00:54:47
Speaker
According to her. The house has been broken into and it's trashed. And then she starts saying, oh, Ramtha was correct. Did they call the police or anything?
00:54:59
Speaker
No. See, I feel like, excuse me, me being like, hey, was there any, has anyone been able to substantiate these claims? Like, this one, this one?
00:55:11
Speaker
No, this is all self, this is coming from her. This is all herself. Yeah. Her husband apparently just said, oh, those damn hippies. And I'm like, how do you know it was hippies?
00:55:23
Speaker
Unless Charles Manson is living next door. I don't. Yes, he famously hangs out near Tacoma, Washington.
00:55:31
Speaker
Him and the Beach Boys. um So that this is when she's like, oh, maybe Ramtha is real. And so she seeks help.
00:55:42
Speaker
Wait, sorry, one quick pause. That's when she finally decides that he's real? Not before she buys a whole house on a whim for this guy? like she didn't Like, she only halfway believed at that point?
00:55:54
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Yes.
00:55:57
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Yes. Okay. Well, she still only halfway believes. She's like, okay, I believe in him like 65% now.
00:56:07
Speaker
Okay. According to her. I kind of feel like you doubled down. You bought a whole ass house lady. Yes. Per his specification, she buys a white house with white interior. This is great.
00:56:20
Speaker
I don't know. Anyway, so and she feels like she needs to seek spiritual guidance. So she goes to a spirit. It's quote, the spiritual church. I've looked for this high and wide. hard High and wide.
00:56:33
Speaker
Hello. Far and wide. What is the term? Far and wide. Yeah. She searched far and wide. I think it's far and wide. I'm keeping this in. um ah So I've searched for this on Google. I can't find this this church. maybe Maybe it's just closed down.
00:56:50
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But Lorraine Graham was the pastor there. And so they, Jay-Z and her husband go to the spiritual church. there They're hoping to find some answers.
00:57:01
Speaker
And while there, Jay-Z tells her about you know the UFO. She tells her, um about one time she prayed so hard to find a protector that a ghost actually became the protector of her and her children and was living in the house with them and tells her other stories about, you know,
00:57:21
Speaker
how she's so powerful. She just manifests
Jay-Z Knight as a Medium and Prophet
00:57:23
Speaker
shit. And so the teacher's like, wow, this is awesome. I think you're a medium. And um essentially a medium is a person that acts as a telephone between, um you know, space and reality. And you actually, i think you might be the next prophet.
00:57:43
Speaker
I think you are, you know, prophetic. You're going to to determine life events and you're going to be I guess the next guy that has a spirit that tells them of when the world's going to end kind of a situation.
00:57:56
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After she finishes the speech, apparently Ram or Jay-Z pushes her chair back, immediately sits up straight, puts her hands straight up above her head like this. Then her face rearranges itself into this weird, crazy smile.
00:58:14
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Her neck apparently doubles in size. She spreads her leg, stomps her feet on the ground in this weird posture. Then this crazy energy comes in the room. They say that her eyes changed and we're like admitting this weird light and like super intense.
00:58:32
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Her voice changes to this weird British, Irish, American hybrid accent. And all that Lorraine and her husband do is say, Ramtha, is this you?
00:58:47
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And Ramtha is like, yes, it is me. and he
00:58:52
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and he calls the pastor, instead of pastor, he says spiritual teacher. He calls Jay-Z's husband the physician. And says, hey, physician, I need you to support Jay-Z Knight through, or Jay-Z through this period of time, through the spiritual awakening, spiritual teacher. I'm going to need you to teach her everything you know about being a prophet.
00:59:17
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To which the spiritual teacher is like, oh my gosh, yes, I will definitely do that. 100%, I'm here for it. He says, okay, I have to leave now because the body's tired. And he apparently leaves.
00:59:30
Speaker
Jay-Z wakes up, pulls herself back together. Her neck shrinks. Her face goes back to normal. She closes her legs. And she says, wow, I feel like I just, you know, got a little dizzy there for a second. And her husband says, yeah, that's because the Ram was here.
00:59:49
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i don't know what to say anymore.
00:59:53
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I, again, let's support each other in marriage, but maybe let's have deeper conversations. I don't know. So the spiritual teacher, Lorraine, gets really involved with their life, invites them to her house in Portland where she has all these books about becoming a spiritual prophet.
01:00:12
Speaker
While there, Jay-Z just gets so overwhelmed. She's saying, oh my gosh, I don't know what's going on. Why are you guys telling me I'm a prophet? I just am here living my life. I didn't choose this. I don't understand.
01:00:26
Speaker
She has a mental breakdown. She runs outside. Her husband follows. So does Lorraine. When they go outside while she's having this mental breakdown, a red light appears in the sky.
01:00:39
Speaker
comes crashing through that atmosphere, lands very close to them.
01:00:45
Speaker
And then when they are like getting over the shock and all of this meteor, this red light, ah saucer one could say, crashing through the sky, another light comes just eight feet above their head.
01:00:59
Speaker
It's another red light. It breaks apart into eight pieces and starts circling around them. And she turns to Lorraine and says, you know, Maybe I am the chosen one.
01:01:15
Speaker
ah can't. the she's She literally says, that is when I knew i was the chosen one. i don't I don't know.
01:01:26
Speaker
say I'm still a little bit hung up on the fact that there's multiple books being written about how to be a prophet. i I feel like that's not something that you can like have a how-to guide for.
01:01:41
Speaker
And why is it so common that one must write a book about it? it's i Look, i I have lots of questions. This research really opened my mind. You know the like, oh, what is it? like i how to be like like this was like Something like dummy books.
01:02:02
Speaker
Yeah, like plumbing for dummies. How to code for dummies or something like that. How to be a prophet for dummies.
01:02:12
Speaker
Yeah, i don't know. I just don't understand. Also, how do these people just like blindly believe right now? And like, yes, maybe she did have... i've I've actually met some people when they get mad, like their face does like almost change a little bit or like...
01:02:30
Speaker
I don't know. But if I saw someone, literally, if i if I, if someone scooted their chair back while I was talking them, raised their hand straight above their head, changed their face, started smiling in a weird lit way. And like their eyes were super intense and like shooting light.
01:02:48
Speaker
Again, I'm taking them to a mental facility. Like, do you have parasites? What is going on? Or did that even happen? Like, that's just a really good story for you and your business partners to tell the world.
01:03:02
Speaker
I think that that's more of what it is.
Tease for Next Episode on Ramtha's School
01:03:04
Speaker
Like, well, you'll see. Moving on. She makes lots of money from this. And this is where end of part one is going to go.
01:03:14
Speaker
Because next week, we're going to talk about what this truly Ramtha school of alignment truly becomes. We're also going to talk about maybe some infidelity on her part and using Ramtha to facilitate this infidelity and excuse her actions and all of these other cool things.
01:03:34
Speaker
So that is the first part of my story. I am so excited. I I'm so into this. I'm about to go deep dive. I want to watch the interview. i I'm so intrigued.
01:03:45
Speaker
This ridiculous. but She's definitely an interesting character. um Also, I feel like I had to tell like kind of the history of her because I think it sets the tone of like, okay, so she is kind of like showing those narcissistic behaviors. Yes. She is also victimizing herself a lot.
01:04:03
Speaker
She also is like coming into this role of like, oh, I am the chosen one. And I didn't assign that to myself. Other people assigned it to me. Yeah. Like she just has like the cult leader personality.
01:04:17
Speaker
100% like oh my god I really wish there was more interviews with like her family oh yeah other and be like so what's going on or like her son's now are she's now in her late 70s and I would love to talk to her sons and be like what's up did anyone see this before like were there signs I feel like there had to be I feel like there had to be. I feel like, of course there had to be.
01:04:44
Speaker
And like one thing that also came up that I didn't necessarily put in the story just because it's already so long. um Bill, also the stepfather when she was, you know, he became her stepfather at six or seven.
01:04:58
Speaker
And so she didn't necessarily, he didn't necessarily want her. ah They like excluded her a lot. She was kind of like that stepchild that, you should be seen and not heard kind of a thing or like maybe not even seen violent sexual assault and abuse in her young, young age. And then she wasn't believed by her mom.
01:05:18
Speaker
And then let's go into the fact that she married a man that didn't really like her that much. He paid financially. She was taken care of, but I'm not sure if she was taken care of, you know, mentally and like really given all of that love. I mean, he literally told her, you know, education is a waste on a woman.
01:05:37
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and And if she's growing up with that, and then she already has this predisposition of a father who is very charismatic by all accounts, but an alcoholic and an abuser. Like, yeah, I think that kind of shapes you as a person, like that generational trauma that people talk about.
01:05:53
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100%. That's it for today's dive into the dark corners of the Pacific Northwest. If you love the stories or shivered a little, be sure to subscribe and follow so you don't miss what's lurking beneath the evergreens next time.
01:06:05
Speaker
Thanks for joining us on Beneath the Evergreens. We appreciate you diving into the mysteries with us. Until next time, keep your eyes open and your doors locked.