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Speaker: Welcome to The Choice to Grow. I'm Scott Schwenk. Through these dialogues, we'll explore fresh perspectives and discover practical tools for navigating a thriving life that adds value wherever we are.
Speaker: I'll introduce you to innovators and creators from across our world who embody what it means to cultivate growing as a way of life. Let's prepare together.
Speaker: Take a deep breath in.
Speaker: Hold breath briefly as you soften your shoulders and soften the soles of your feet and palms of your hands. Then exhale like you're releasing tension and setting down a heavy burden from every cell.
Speaker: Ah. Now let's dive in.
Speaker: Welcome everybody to The Choice to Grow. For those of you who've been following along for a while, thank you, thank you. It's the collective that is forging the way ahead, not any one individual. So your participation as a listener is huge.
Speaker: And thank you for sharing the show. My next guest understands this and understands this very, very deeply. My next guest is a native of Hawaii. and comes from a very long lineage, an unbroken lineage.
Speaker: Kiyoni Hanalei is Mu Hawaiian cultural practitioner. We'll discuss what that means. Mu Hawaiian as opposed to what we might call Haole or Hepa Haole, who thrives.
Speaker: He literally does thrive on the island of Maui, Hawaii, raised by his traditional Hawaiian grandmother. And i'm going to do my best with the pronunciation. Kau Ike O let me try this, Kaoike Onolani, that's his grandmother, Keone inherited.
Speaker: This is a big deal, a rich legacy that spans an incredible 1017 generations. And they know this because the names are all listed in a particular generational chant. so they actually know this specifically.
Speaker: And over 20,000 years of ancestral knowledge that's available. So this fast heritage deeply informs his body of work, which includes the sacred spinal technology known as ulu, which is the healing and the healing properties of botanical fern medicine. That's how I first encountered his work and the profound spiritual teachings of Aloha Ma.
Speaker: His cultural practices also includes operating Hawaii based apothecary called Pohala. So I first encountered Keone's medicine through my friend, Lori Westfall, who grew up in Hawaii on the big island. And she sent me a bottle of really an incredible, incredible fern medicine that had many ferns in it. I don't remember the name of it It's in the other room, but had many ferns in it.
Speaker: And so I worked with it for a while. And then I've been following Keone's work and his his things he has to share and say and reflect on. including his wonderful silliness and playful fun, which is so delightful on Instagram.
Speaker: So without further ado, Kioni, brother, thank you for being here. Aloha, mahalo. Aloha, brother Scott. Thank you so much. And you did great, brother. Kaoiki Onalani. Yeah, that's ah that's a feat to you know pronounce the Hawaiian names and you did really well. I also want to say, brother, you have such a great um way of expressing someone's biography, I never heard my biography shared in such a way you create some sort of relationship to it, which just speaks volumes about perhaps the integrity of the person that you are and how you connect to people, which just makes me even more excited to have this conversation with you, brother.
Speaker: That's a really great diving in point, the relational quality, the relationship not just with a person who I prefer in this moment and I'm interacting with, but like, what is my awareness, our awareness of the interconnectedness of all of reality in a real down to earth moment to moment way in terms of how it shapes, how we make choices, whether it's like you're walking on a hike or I'm walking on a hike and I see a beautiful stone or something.
Speaker: Do I just jump from my colonized mind to just pick it up and take it because I think it's cute or pretty and I want to put it on my altar? Well, what work was it doing where it was? And what ah what am i aware of in terms of leaving something that's of great value in its place once i if I get permission to take it for a little while?
Speaker: Thoughts about any of that? Yeah, brother, I feel like you're talking about non-intervention, which is like a cosmic law. And, you know, human beings have come to a point where perhaps we've reached a point of arrogance where we forget about that, that law of non-intervention and really meeting something in its current moment where it's present presently at and then begin a negotiation from that point.
Speaker: Whereas I believe human beings, for whatever reason, we've come to a point where we feel that we have dominion over our experiences and then anything else that that encompasses our experience. And so coming back into like, honest, real relationship with the current moment, and then begin a negotiation from there is definitely I feel like the natural flow.
Speaker: Inherent in negotiation, what I feel as I listen is two things. One, I was raised by a mom who was a corporate trainer by training, who really cut her teeth without a degree and worked her way from being a secretary.
Speaker: and upright And so she she taught what was called the Harvard Negotiation Project's work. And so there's a view that the mind can have, especially in this current business-minded hustle culture of what negotiation looks like. Like, I'm going to try and get the best deal for me, and then I'll give you some.
Speaker: But inherent in negotiation is the ability to know nothing, be receptive, and deeply attune and listen. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's beautiful brother. And, you know, oftentimes when I say the word negotiation, because it's like a buzzword right in the corporate world.
Speaker: But for me, negotiation is all about introduction to make a proper introduction. Uh, for instance, you know, when I'm foraging and I work with the ferns and I play with the ferns, uh, I always introduce myself.
Speaker: every time and then i pause and allow the ferns and whoever I engage with to introduce themselves as well because we got to feel too we're always refreshed at every moment we're refreshed right we're never really fixed and and perhaps that's one of the illnesses of of the modern human is that we somehow lock ourselves into personalities rather than being able to ah be refreshed and then reintroduce ourselves from time to time Or at every moment. In fact, like my grandmother, koki on alanni that was one of the greatest things that she ah would share with me. You know, she would say, boy, don't assume we know how to love you. You get to teach us.
Speaker: Don't just assume. Yeah. Yeah. Let's just pause on that for a moment. Boy, don't assume we know how to love you. You get to teach us the amount of awareness that is included in that capacity.
Speaker: Yeah. What will I tell you? How will I teach you? yeah Is there reciprocity in my in my teaching you how to love me that recognizes your your capacity in the moment?
Speaker: Yeah, brother. It leads us to assume how to love one another because perhaps many of us are not willing to teach one another how to love us. But of course, that comes from you know the foundation of that is alohama or self-reflective law If I am to teach people how to love me, I must be the evidence of that myself. Otherwise, you know, that's called gossip.
Speaker: It's called gossip. And so with my own self-love, you know, of course I know how to be properly loved and I will with great courage, be able to share that with people. And then also to have the ability to receive that from others and let people teach me how to love them without the arrogance of me assigning someone on how they should be loved based upon what is most preferent preferable or comfortable for me.
Speaker: To my recollection, you went through a challenging portion of your life, not that there's challenge not challenges all the time, but a period of life that it was very, very challenging. And ah I imagine that foraging for that deeper self-love was part of the process. Is that something that you can touch on a little bit?
Speaker: Absolutely. That time in your life? Yeah, yeah. And I want to share that the catalyst of of me coming into an age of my life for, you know, i was in in a very unhealthy way.
Speaker: i just want to um do a precursor of what brought me there. You know, For the first five years of my life, my grandmother, Kawiki Onolani, raised me and she raised me in a very ceremonial way. And ah as in the the tradition of my culture, for the first five years of your life, you may be Hannaid cared for by an elder, someone who is to support in activating you in the mōkua hau or the lineage or the mōlelo, the story of your culture.
Speaker: And my grandmother was that person for me. And in the tradition of the Hunai at five years old, you're to be gifted back to your birth parents. You're to be, it's like, you know how the the Amish have the room spring up?
Speaker: I don't. Oh, it's like, yeah you know, you you're in this ceremonial life and then there's a moment where you're allowed, allowed to be able to just do whatever you want, experiment, et cetera, et cetera. Right.
Speaker: But for the first five years of my life, I was living ceremonially. Like life was a ceremony. Everything is a ceremony. It's a ritual. It's a beautiful ritual. It's a protocol.
Speaker: And at five years old, I went to live with my parents because my time with my grandmother had come to a completion. My parents did not live ceremonially. And I learned right away that living ceremonially ah in accordance to the general public was not the status quo.
Speaker: Now I want it to belong. I want it to be part of a community. And so what i began to do is I just began to pick up on what all the other little children were were doing, how they're behaving, how like the community, what the community wanted from me. And I noticed that, okay, there's a lot of performing and there's a lot of scripting.
Speaker: And so I learned really quickly how to perform, how to script. And so in essence, living really inauthentically. And so all the things that I thought I needed to do such as Like excel in academia, go to school, do do all the things that supposedly suggest that you're a successful person, all of that. Like I excelled, but I was exhausted.
Speaker: I was exhausted and the exhaustion took me to bitterness and resentment. And from that bitterness and resentment, I just, I needed to numb out. I needed to check out because it was the exhaustion was so intense.
Speaker: and And I know that this is a story for so many people. So for me, I became ah an opiate drug addict. addict And the the purpose of that drug addiction was so that I could eject, I could escape, I could just drown out.
Speaker: And Throughout that whole process of being an opiate addict and then becoming homeless and then becoming a criminal and then being incarcerated, ah i feel like my soul was being tested.
Speaker: You know, was like I needed to be challenged in such an a huge way for me to actually circumnavigate and come back to those first five years of my life, because when everything was ah stripped from me, what I perceived to be stripped from me, all I had was the time with my grandmother as like my refuge.
Speaker: And in that moment, I remember being incarcerated and thinking like, well, this is it. I'm just going to have to live a life of crime and poverty because of the things that I've done. There's, there's no retribution that can be made. This is just it.
Speaker: Uh, I had a vision of my grandmother's hands. And so in my culture, in Hawaiian new culture, everything is a riddle. It's all poetry. My grandmother would say, before you ah learn how to speak, you must first remember how to be a poet.
Speaker: And so I just remember ah the vision of my grandmother's hand. And I went into the language of poetry and I said, OK, this is it. This is it. And I'm like, what does that mean?
Speaker: My grandmother's hands. It's like my kia kahi, my purpose is everything that my grandmother offered to me. And it was in that moment that I said, ah, I felt like I finally belong. Like that's that's that's my mission. That's meaning for me.
Speaker: It's to transfer everything my grandmother inspired in me and then ah distribute that. And that was the moment my life changed. And that's what I've been doing ever since, brother. That's why, you know, I talk so deeply.
Speaker: and so genuinely about Hawaiian and Mew culture without really borders. You know, like in my culture, the things that I share is considered sacrilegious to share it outside of bloodlines, to share it outside of the Hawaiian culture.
Speaker: the book that I just published, Ulu, that's a no-no. You're not to share that with the general public, but ah that would violate, if I were to hoard that and keep that in and not share that and not distribute that, that would violate that moment to which essentially saved my life.
Speaker: And so I'm in full dedication of of the the data and the the knowledge that was transferred and inspired to me by my grandmother, Kawiki Onolani. There's so much there in what you shared. There are few things I want to reflect on One is in my own tradition of of tantra, I sit in two streams, Kashmarshaivism and Sri Vidya.
Speaker: And in Sri Vidya, my teacher, my Sri Vidya guru has as pointed out over and over and over again, this language, this particular language that translates as best as possible is to twilight language.
Speaker: Hmm. things that are written in twilight language. It's the language of the yoginis. And yogini, even though that's a feminized version of the word yoga or yogi or yogin, it doesn't imply gender of the person who's attuning.
Speaker: So there's twilight language. so So many things are expressed in the writings in twilight language. So I imagine there's a similarity or correlate in myoculture where things are actually very, very secret and powerful, but they're actually hidden in plain sight.
Speaker: yeah And so that's part one. Part two is what I appreciate about my teacher Parvati is her clarity because I feel similarly is that we must bring these powerful, potent teachings into the modern time without diluting their potency.
Speaker: So there still there still is, even though many people don't like this word where they are in their own development hierarchy, there is a natural and important hierarchy to protect the integrity of the energy of the teachings, as well as the people who are going to experience them so that they they don't harm themselves. These technologies may seem like just words on a page, but they're you and I know, like you could start a fire with the right syllable.
Speaker: And that fire may not be visible fire. It may be the fire that overwhelms somebody's psyche with more of their shadow than they can handle in a moment. so This is an interesting thing to actually sense the balance and the appropriateness of when to give a teaching, what to share and when to step forward and go, you know, a lot of people aren't going like that. I'm putting this out there, but the knowing is here.
Speaker: This is not for my own ego's sake or to be important. This needs to be shared. And if I don't, I will get sick. Yeah. beautiful Beautifully said, brother. You know, for me, ultimately, like Aloha, right? It's not a possession.
Speaker: And, you know, if I were to hoard it, if I were to, you know, be very selective about it, then I would essentially be treating it like it's some sort of possession. And of course, there's the the sacredness of it, which you want to make sure that you uphold.
Speaker: For me, in order to uphold a sacredness, ah you must meet it with a kind of authenticity. You must have an authentic relationship with it that ah will differentiate its relationship to perhaps people who have taught you it.
Speaker: It's to create such ah ah a genuine, authentic relationship to it that now you have the authority to actually share it in a very unique way that is specific to you.
Speaker: you know, i want to share something about authenticity, because I feel like this theme is actually really important right now, because one of the ah considerations of the conditions of the world right now, there's are there is a lot of plagiarism, and there's a lot of disingenuousness with the transfer of data and information.
Speaker: And so I want to share this in in a ah story, in a way um that comes from mu Hawaiian culture. So ah in new Hawaiian culture, you and I as human beings, we were like this carbon, we're like this crystalline beings and Um, we're experiencing a world of form and material because, uh, we have to, or we get to be receptacles, receptacles of the absorption of love. That's why animation exists at all.
Speaker: It's to become absorbed in love. And then from that absorption, then we go into like the Hala, the transfiguration after some, uh, initiations and at the Hala at the transfiguration, ah in new Hawaiian culture.
Speaker: we must present our heart to the Hokupo'okoi or the Star Council. And at the Star Council, what they're going to do is, or what it's going to do, is it will measure our heart.
Speaker: Now, the measurement of the heart is not based on right or wrong, good or bad, because ultimately that's irrational. Because who gets to decide that? What is right or wrong, good or bad?
Speaker: ah Rather, the heart is measured based on our authenticity, how authentic we are. Now, if we are living a life of plagiarism throughout our lives, meaning that, sure, I'm receiving someone's translation of something sacred, and instead of creating a relationship to it, I'm simply replicating what I've been told.
Speaker: That would be an example of living in plagiarism, inauthentic, and fraud. And if that's the case, for many of us, that may be the case, what happens at the hoku po'okoi is they're going to hold up our heart, they're going to say,
Speaker: This is not your heart. We've already measured this heart. This is called forgery. This is called fraud. You have to go back and repeat the cycle as many times as you need to or want to until you remember how to show up with your true heart.
Speaker: And, you know, with the prevalence of reincarnation that seems to be so loud in the collective right now, one of the concerns I have with reincarnation is how glamorized it's become. And what I remember and what my kupuna, my elders have shared me is that this phenomenal experience is not meant to be repeated.
Speaker: It's not. In fact, in new Hawaiian culture, even in modern Hawaiian culture, we have no mention of reincarnation at all. There is no mention. And it's likely because we show up at the hoku po'okoi and we just present our true heart, our authentic heart. And therefore we don't need to come into the repeating over and over and over again.
Speaker: And so I have been urging humanity, you know, and as I urge myself, right? i check myself and to make sure that I'm having a very genuine relationship to which everything that I am experiencing, that it's a genuine experience, because that also means that I have authority to share that as well.
Speaker: And authority in my experience, with the authenticity, authenticity of authority translates to this vessel being open for the transmission to move through this vessel for the benefit of beings, as opposed to just transmitting ah cognitive ah stimulation into, you know, some set of words that I may or may not present as dogmatic.
Speaker: Beautifully said, brother. And yeah, you're right. It's a holistic experience, right? And that's why like with the book with Ulu, you know, and and some of the how you're saying, you're getting right. It's like it doesn't matter what gender we are. We're all of you.
Speaker: It's like with an Ulu, right? We have different energetics that line our spinal cord and it culminates to 33 codes that represent 33 processes of proper materialization so that we can actually spiritualize.
Speaker: Because a concern that I have specifically since I've been in the spiritual or neo spiritual community for the last eight years is that there's a lot of bypassing of the actual materialization. There's so much beating up of the 3D, you know, and then, and you know, there's all this beating up of the 3D. And then there's also all this glamorization of reincarnation. And I'm like, have you ever put those two together?
Speaker: yeah vertical and vertical and horizontal above below all dimensionalities. And I have to keep checking myself to go, in any way in this moment, of am I avoiding form?
Speaker: Am I acting like form is other? Yeah. if If it's true with the heart sutra points out that form is emptiness and emptiness is form. But when do I get about recognizing this with my body in my body? The Vedas say, if you can't find it in the body, you can't find it anywhere.
Speaker: And I feel like this might be what you're pointing us towards when you talk about, and I would like you to unpack in a way that ordinary folks can understand what is materialization? this like what the Sanyal and Linda Groves bonder who will be soon on the podcast talk about waking down, there's waking up and then there's waking back down is that materialization?
Speaker: Or is that another movement? After we've materialized, spiritualized and then materializing in a new way? I love that brother. And if I go astray, just remind me that going down, because I do have something i want to share about that. But first,
Speaker: ah with the EV Cuomo with the spinal cord, and what proper materialization is, is it's simply completing the animation of the self completing it. That's all you know, Jesus on the cross at the Dallas thigh, it is finished, it is accomplished.
Speaker: And so completing the materialization so that we actually qualify for spiritualization. And break it down even more simply, like, like, and like somebody who maybe they've done a bit of meditation on headspace or calm,
Speaker: They've done a little bit of breath work. Maybe they do cold exposure. And that's about it so far. So when we're talking about like, what do you mean? Like, like I have a body. i can see it. I can touch it. It hurts if I smack it. And it feels good if I touch it nice ways. Like what more is there for me to materialize?
Speaker: Yeah. Well, one of the ways that ah that can be maybe affirmed, right? That proper materialization is affirmed is the selecting and the choosing of the self. That the self is selected and chosen.
Speaker: You know, it's I love to to reminisce that the main plot or the theme of every single story in history is i want to be the chosen one.
Speaker: And because many of us are not choosing ourselves, we're in this saga of earning, earning, earning, which actually takes us out of our body because we have to project of what we need to be.
Speaker: And that's very And continuing to live from something's wrong, something's missing without realizing it. So we'll continue to have the experience something's wrong and something's missing. Exactly, brother. And so there's a lot of ejecting of the self for the purpose of being within the self. So it's actually a little irrational.
Speaker: And so, you know, like with with that earning, right, that earning fascination, for me, that's the actual definition of patriarchy. It's to earn. You earn everything, including earning your belonging. And that's why I went into exhaust is because I'm like, okay, what do I have to do? I remember waking up in the morning and being like, all right, what do I have to do? And who do I have to be to belong today?
Speaker: And then being like resentful of that, even though I was excelling. And so earn, earn, earn to the point of exhaustion, bitterness, resentment, where now we're just checking out. You know, that's why I feel human beings in patriarchy can be so sterile.
Speaker: how we're not truly connecting with one another because we're not even present. We're actually projecting or trying to predict what we need to do next. That's also one of my contentions a little bit with astrology is that for me, astrology is not about prediction. It's about potential.
Speaker: But a lot of people resource astrology, like predict, I got to predict. I'm like, wow, you're not in your body. And, you know, one thing that happened maybe a couple of years ago is the waters on Maui, all a sudden it turned fuchsia.
Speaker: It's very interesting. They just turned fuchsia. Right. And then but till this day, scientists cannot confirm, right. What that was from. They thought it was an algae bloom, et cetera, et cetera, but there's nothing that was conclusive.
Speaker: And so i was like, well, I'll find out for myself. And I went and I touched the water and I spent time with the water and the water didn't necessarily ah reveal what it was, but it revealed that it had a message. And the message is you humans exist five seconds into the future.
Speaker: And that catastrophic because as a collective, we are not present. We're in our bodies as a collective, we're existing five seconds into the future.
Speaker: And this has been a gradual titration over time. that we have been reaching, reaching, reaching, and then, you know, really dramatize in a time of patriarchy where now it's like, I got to reach, I got to reach.
Speaker: Well, we're not choosing the self. We're not existing within the self in the, uh, the vertebrae, the coccis, the sacral and the lumber, those are considered when he Peely or feminine energetics, that is the house of the goddess.
Speaker: And I am a gendered male, but I am 100% masculine and I'm 100% feminine. And so I have a relationship with my unihipili. And one of the things that the goddess is able to do, and I want to put it like this, the coccyx, let's just feel into like the feature, the actual like anatomy of the coccyx of the tailbone.
Speaker: It's an upside down triangle. And like you remember, it's all poet. It's all ah poetry, right? And so we got or we get to translate it exact. What does that mean? What is that telling us about goddess energy?
Speaker: And so the upside down um triangle ah is the universal symbol for stability. Stability and any for the cosmic womb.
Speaker: Beautiful. Any form of creation. Yeah, brother. And so let's feel into stability as coming into an actual ah assembly of the self. We're coming into the assembly of the self. And that's why it's called, you know, Earth Mother.
Speaker: It's the goddess that actually grounds us in our body. And so if I'm rejecting the goddess, then i don't have the the ingredients or the nutrient that actually brings me into the stability of my body.
Speaker: And i want to say with stability, too, because sometimes when we bring up that word or the energy of the word stability, it can feel fixed. And, you know, I also want to recognize that, of course, we live in a very mutable world.
Speaker: And especially when we're refreshing ourselves over and over and over again, and we get to introduce ourselves. But stability in a way, another way to to share that is coherent. we yeah If I'm not in the stability of my unihipili, my goddess, I'm likely fragmented.
Speaker: And the problem with being fragmented, especially if now we have a masculine that's orphaned because a feminine is not giving it proper instructions of why it belongs, then I'm, of course, then going to need to earn that.
Speaker: Fragmentation is just that. Everything is shooting out of me, so that's where I'm going to go. That's the trajectory of where I need to be. And then I'm now accumulating what everyone else is telling me who to be. Once again, patriarchy.
Speaker: I need to perform. I need to ah live to the standards of what I've been told rather than what I know. So I want to interject this just for the wideness of the of the possibility of people following.
Speaker: In my tradition of Kashmir Shaivism, we talk about three coverings that are like the coverings of a husk over an ear of corn. The malas. Anava mala, maya mala, karma mala.
Speaker: Anavamala is the root of it, the root covering, this root sense of something is missing or wrong about me. Like there's something fundamentally flawed about me. I believe it's a correlate to this ah illusory notion of original sin in some sort of a way.
Speaker: This sense of being flawed gives rise to the next covering, which is ma'ilamala, this false sense of separation from everything, including my own sense of belonging and self. And then that gives rise to karma, all of the sense of I'm the doer, if anything's going to happen, I have to do it as a separate agent.
Speaker: Wow, yeah. Yeah. And then also, like with with you, right, sharing that also, like the potential of exhaust, that many of us are experiencing as a result of that, right? And then with the goddess energy and coming into that, when he pili vertebrae, right? Feeling the grid, the actual grid, and then feeling so incredibly supported. That's why goddess energy is always commonly ah referenced with community.
Speaker: It's because, you know, when I go into a sacred prayer that's been taught to me by my grandmother, and it's it's repeated ah verbatim for 20,000 years, the unihipili, that feminine energy is actually referenced as the leader.
Speaker: It's the leader. Masculine is hero. Feminine is leader. Now that to which distinguishes a leader, because of course, in today's kind of like context, leadership is kind of erroneously translated, in my opinion, you know, it's like someone does everything, everyone stands behind them, it's kind of like,
Speaker: It's a kind of tyranny. You know what I mean? That's, that's not a leader. the The goddess ah within me shares that the leader is one who knows how to delegate, to delegate and then that we distribute.
Speaker: Right. And therefore I don't feel that sense of exhaust because I'm truly tapping into the grid where there are endless resources. And the most important thing too, when the feminine affirms that distribution and delegation is I'm once again, reunited with the the notion that I am the resource as well.
Speaker: And then I can also harness the power of myself as a resource. So I'm not outsourcing myself, which I feel is so important now with transhumanism. And, you know, one of the reasons I feel like transhumanism is you know, very seductive is because many people have forgotten how to resource themselves.
Speaker: And so there's a lot of what is transhumanism? What do you mean by that? I would say this, say it transhumanism is the encroachment of the AI and And the outsourcing of the organic human agency in favor of ah synthetic
Speaker: dominion. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Some of the things that are really like probably super familiar to you, um'm i'm keep noticing, hmm.
Speaker: okay, people can get this, but we need to we need to like create a little more bite-sized pieces from here and there. Sure. and And specifically because transhumanism is it's new.
Speaker: It's perceived to be new. It's it's something that's- Or at least in this era. this in this era you know I mean, I can't prove the validity or the actuality of these missing continents like Dwaraka, Mu,
Speaker: ah Atlantis or anything else. And it seems from the stories that I've been reading and hearing for this lifetime of 53 years that in Atlantis, or at least if it was a myth, the myth of Atlantis trying to teach us the dangers of outsourcing power to fixations and rigidities like so-called computers or whatnot and losing, and we're seeing it in brain scans from And we've barely had AI, but brain scans of people who regularly use ChatGPT to solve their life, the brain is like quickly, like not turning on in certain key areas.
Speaker: Yeah, it's degenerative, most certainly. And, you know, I love to just remind myself and the the beautiful thing about all of this is that, you know, we're like a cosmic miracle, right? And so like the human agency, it's really unlimited to what we can tap into, especially if we're in goddess energy and we tap into that grid.
Speaker: And so once I begin to favor something else outside of myself, then I'm always going to be reliant on something else to dictate and determine, right, my next move, who I am That's sort of the spell with transhumanism because with transhumanism, there's two things that come up for me. And, and, you know, when I observe, I'm like, wow, this thing is really taking off.
Speaker: yeah It is yes right. Well-funded that yeah, that too, brother. Thank you for sharing that. But, uh, two things that I noticed of why people are like going into it You, you brought it up with chat GPT is, uh, you know, it's.
Speaker: Comfort and convenience. It offers the seduction of comfort and convenience. And then we go into atrophy of our own agency. and We don't know how to resource that ourselves anymore. It's the illusion of knowing, right? The illusion of knowing.
Speaker: And then, the oh, if I know something cognitively, I'll be safe. I won't suffer the way I did when I was a kid. So I must get information. And I don't understand what living wisdom is.
Speaker: Yeah. And living wisdom emergent from... the the the endless emptiness that could become anything right getting conversant with that right exactly brother and and that's one thing too about i feel maybe why human agency ah it can seem daunting in that it's ultimately something that cannot be controlled It's in a way it's volatile. And when I say volatile, I don't mean violent. I mean, unpredictable.
Speaker: Yeah. our body is meant to respond to whatever our immediate immediate environment wants relationship. So like my grandmother would say, and and she said this to me just because I'm a gendered boy.
Speaker: But she said a true man is one who remembers how to show up and simply respond to whatever his immediate environment ask of him. And you know that's a beautiful testament as to allowing ourselves to live in constant mystery without having to predict.
Speaker: Because if I'm predicting, always predicting, what I'm actually doing is assigning. um must not only that, i'm i'm I'm ejecting partially into cognition and I'm not feeling my whole body.
Speaker: I'm not feeling the people around me and I'm not feeling the environment. So I'm losing all these critical feedback loops for clarity. Totally, brother. It's it's the you know it so the grooming of a synthetic world.
Speaker: and And perhaps why many of us are are are desensitized of that actually happening because we're not present to actually feel the experience. It's all projectory. And so that's just sort of like the status quo. And then that becomes the insatiable hunger as well. you know We're chasing the dragon of of transhumanism.
Speaker: And then all the while, right, disregarding human agency, disregarding the unihipili, our internal feminine, that that goddess energy. And then we're leaving our masculine to feel orphaned.
Speaker: You know, and that that that can be very problematic because perhaps what may happen with an orphaned internal masculine, and this goes for our gender sisters as well, is that it comes into a world of catastrophic defense.
Speaker: It's just, I got a defend. And then the same thing with predicting that harm will always happen. So we're constantly in defense there, you know, with, with patriarchy, something that like feeds patriarchy is this notion that our lives are always an imminent danger, always, including if I feel inconvenience or uncomfortable, but that is not true.
Speaker: If I'm inconvenienced and uncomfortable, that doesn't mean my life is in imminent danger. But if that's what my masculine is perceiving to be occurring, it's always going to be on defense. Now I have no potential to have meaningful relationships at all because I'm just assuming that people want to hurt me or harm me.
Speaker: And when I drop, drop, drop and can discern, remember feminine energy is all about discernment. And of course, with discernment, we must first be present to actually recognize the grid.
Speaker: Once I recognize the grid, I'm like, whoa, I'm just uncomfortable. This is great. And when you say grid, just for you listeners, the grid, yeah i believe you're pointing at the awareness of how all of all of existence near me in my proximity is coming together. That's the grid, is to recognize that inner penetration and how form is showing up so that I can, as your grandmother is teaching us still now, be able to fully respond skillfully with coherence and
Speaker: to the needs of the moment for the highest good of everyone involved. Beautiful, brother. And thank you for bringing in that coherence piece, especially with the symbol of the upside down triangle.
Speaker: Yeah, brother. And you know if if the saga for us human beings, and this was certainly for me when I felt so separated, was that I don't feel I belong. Right? It's like when we tap into the grid, it's actually if we want to go into the mind here, it's irrational to feel like we don't belong. It's irrational to feel alone. Once you're in the grid, you're so suspended in the totality of a universal experience. It's like regenerative energy. It's so nourishing.
Speaker: That word, like I triple click bold, underline italicize. Regenerative. like i i pray, and um it may be too late, I pray that that word does not lose its value like love has in our society om has in our society because they're and incredibly powerful ah actualities, like regenerative. like What is it to actually care about and to notice the details of living regeneratively and nourishing regenerative living all around me?
Speaker: Like that in itself is an entire body of wisdom. I would agree with you, brother. I pray that regenerative is something that we continuously hold in esteem because it's also the antidote to like this this fear of abandonment.
Speaker: You know, like when something's regenerative, we're not essentially abandoning where we're revising, we're refreshing, we're upgrading, we're all I mean, all the words that represent that, right. And so like, we're constantly just like, you know, how we began this conversation is that at any moment, we may want to reintroduce ourselves at any moment, because that's just how regenerative we are at any moment, I may be available to reintroduce myself.
Speaker: Yeah. That simple way to say that is the old saying, you know your whole life can change in a phone call. And I remind myself of this as best I can often, especially before I leave the house. you know Most of my day is here at this place where I've lived for 20 some odd years. It's gridded, it's beautiful, it's a sanctuary.
Speaker: And then I go five minutes away to Equinox on Sunset Boulevard in West Hollywood for 22 years. And i get to see what am I actually embodying?
Speaker: yeah When I see so-and-so speaking in some way or doing in some way that I deem whatever, am I relating to you when I see you at the gym as my past ideas of you?
Speaker: Am I available to see who who and what you are manifesting as in this moment?
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like also, brother, that just keeps things spicy. You know what mean? Like at any moment, right? It's like, wow, I'm like reintroducing myself. I'm being reintroduced to someone, right? It's like, it it feels so it feels so abundant, the potential and possibility rather than feeling so fixed.
Speaker: Well, be like having to wear beige the rest of your life. Totally. beige. Yeah.
Speaker: I would definitely like, maybe like even just not that I'm into self harm, but like poke myself to get a little red blood on there just to just to be different, you know, just to like have some creativity.
Speaker: Or roll around in the dirt. yeah Yeah, well, I feel like one of the another like if we want to say law and of the cosmos is contrast, you know, yeah contrast and for us to be able to withstand living in a world of contrast, meaning that, you know, there are 8 billion human beings, which means there are actually 8 billion approved personalities.
Speaker: And can we withstand the contrast of that? Or do we need people to assimilate to make us feel more comfortable? And what's the infrastructure that helps us to grow into our capacities or to remember our regenerative capacities to for um for flow, for collaboration, for being with difference and contrast, which is not collapsing into people-pleasing, which is not collapsing into ah giving up sovereignty at all? Say a little more about all that.
Speaker: Well, and probably this fits right into the Ulu, the the spinal technologies like to awaken these memories and these teachings vertebrae by vertebrae or however one gets there in their path to go. Sure.
Speaker: You know, and that this actually brings us to, you know, how you're sharing about, you know, it's moving down, right? Can you just oh ah give us another? Yeah. So, so, so there's different ways to view this, right? So, um One view of when we talk from the system of Kundalini, this one of the names for the goddess energy of the force that creates, sustains, and then dissolves the creation back into its free possibility, cosmic soup, Kundalini.
Speaker: So it's it rises and then it descends if ah all goes well. So we were waking up, the first experiences, and many people are having these, ah these, these,
Speaker: he's beginning awakenings, like the ability to witness my thinking, oh, I'm having these thoughts, I'm not my thoughts. This is just a very, very light beginning, even though it seems like a really big deal when it's happening newly.
Speaker: and then And then, but we can i actually come from it? Or is this just something, are these awakenings from however I got there, my plant medicine situation or giving birth or whatever, something I just talk about over my chai turmeric latte on Abbot Kinney in Venice to gain cachet in a conversation? Or is it something that's informing how I'm showing up when I get a bill that's more than I have money to pay?
Speaker: Or when my friend is unable to manifest compassion when I'm really suffering or whatever. Like, can I live from the thing? So waking up, waking down, and then there's apparently a rise again.
Speaker: But, you know, we don't want to get lost in projecting a rigidity about how energy moves because one of the things I'm continually sometimes smacked around to notice and hopefully more often tickled into noticing is energy is supremely creative and can manifest in unexpected ways, whether that's awakening in unexpected ways, whether that's whatever.
Speaker: Yeah. So waking down. Yeah. Which which also what you just shared too speaks into like the elegance of contrast as well. Right. And, and endless possibilities based upon the centerpiece to which is experiencing that, which is like quantum energy basically.
Speaker: But um you know with that waking down, um so in the eevee coulmau, in the spinal cord, we have 33 vertebraes that correlate to 33 potential codes that support us in proper materialization.
Speaker: In the coccyx, the sacral, lumbar, those would represent our feminine codes. And that if we can activate those feminine codes, there's 14 codes within the feminine vertebrae.
Speaker: then we can move up properly to the thoracic vertebrae or the masculine. And so the goddess actually, it's recommended to be established so that we can actually have relationship with our thoracic vertebrae or the masculine.
Speaker: There are 12 codes within the thoracic vertebrae, which are ah called the 12 actions. And the reason they're called 12 actions is because once we are established in goddess energy, we now get to create infrastructure.
Speaker: That's one of the codes of the masculine is to create the infrastructure of our lives. We can even see the symbolism of the thoracic vertebrae that distinguishes it from the other chambers is that this is where ribs branch out.
Speaker: Of course, ribs represent protection, perhaps, but also infrastructure. And so wealth codes represent how we can play with actually cultivating our lives in a livable way.
Speaker: What does my life look like, sound like, taste like, feel like? Now we're beginning to play with animation, play with the the animate world. When we go up to the cervical vertebrae, which are seven codes that extend from the neck, and then also it encompasses the skull, so it does hold the codes of the brain glands and masses. So we are talking about the pineal and the pituitary gland, which would be considered the alma coa vertebrae, which is the holistic self.
Speaker: That is when Feminine energetics, masculine are now in relationship where they are indistinguishable. The actual definition of holistic is no one part is explicable without referencing the whole.
Speaker: And so now we're living holistically. Now, what I'm getting at here is that the very opening, if we're moving up, the very opening of the cervical vertebrae, which is C7, is a code called involution.
Speaker: Involution, which is the opposite of evolution. And the code of involution and why it opens us to our holistic self is it literally says, there's no more growth to be made. There's no more growth to be made.
Speaker: It's time to make an assessment of who you are. And so instead of reaching, reaching, right, we're accumulating, accumulating, we're playing, we're playing now in involution. So like that waking down, it's we're involving, we're getting to the very centerpiece of who we are.
Speaker: And now we make an assessment. This is who I am. Now, this is a very sophisticated protocol because the vertebrae that follows C7 is C6. And the code of C6 is song,
Speaker: Song. And I love that you, when you go into the cervical vertebrae, it's all poetic. So you, you're going to have to be able to speak riddles at this point. But if you are, uh, fluent in your, when you keep feeling your, honey, not a problem.
Speaker: I can speak the riddles now because I am holistic, but C six song is, this is the, at least my translation. Cause I always love, you know, uh, reminding people create your relationship with these codes, right? Like it's gotta be personal to you.
Speaker: And fresh. Yeah, yeah. But for me, C6 song, now that I've made an assessment, can I express that? Right? Because remember what my kupuna said, you get to teach us how to love you.
Speaker: And so from my assessment, where I'm no longer reaching, reaching, accumulating, accumulating, saturated, saturated. Now I made an assessment of who I am. And with song, I'm able to actually express that first and foremost to myself. I must believe in who I say I am. i need to believe that without needing reassurance from the exterior conditions.
Speaker: And who I am is so much more than a personality structure that is based on conditioning. Who I am is an inquiry that's much vaster and is not like something we just discover in a second or at least embody in a second.
Speaker: And that and brother, you're already like working with me on moving up the vertebrae because now we go into C5 and the code of c five is miracles. Now, for me, my relationship with C5, especially because, you know, I'm having an experience in C7, I'm having an experience in C6.
Speaker: Now in C5, miracles means I'm now privy to the actual reality. Once I'm able to express who I am truly to myself, the actual reality will then come into view for me.
Speaker: And then that's, of course, the destiny for each and every one of us is we get to actually experience what our actual reality is based upon the assessment that we've made of ourselves. And you can just for context here everybody, I just saw a a scientific post the other day, yesterday, about how tiny the amount of visual light we can detect or sound.
Speaker: compared to what exists like it's point zero zero zero. I think three zero three zeros zero zero zero two of the light spectrum we're able to perceive so we don't even hardly see or hear reality.
Speaker: Yeah, that's what we do until we pass through this journey. And we stopped projecting. Yeah, our cultural inheritance and creating a false movie we think is reality.
Speaker: Yeah, no more distractions, no more static, right? The static so loud. And then with song, and I love that with the sound, right? With song, because we're able to affirm, proclaim who we are, right? I am the authority of who I say I am.
Speaker: The world, the universe is going to respond to me and it will present unto me the actual reality You know, because we all know we're quantum beings, but we seem to think that we have to share in a very specific quantum experience, which is just taking us into the linear.
Speaker: And so with miracles, we can you and I will coexist and cohabitate. Right. But we will be privy to a reality that is very unique to us. Of course, the practical way of saying that is perspective.
Speaker: The perspective we have, we, we cultivate and enjoy a very unique perspective. And we see this plane out, you know, like things don't bother me that bothers people greatly that actually paralyzes people. They have to stay indoors because something that I'm like, oh, it's not that I'm insensitive.
Speaker: It's just that I have a different perspective and that's, and you have a different resiliency. through going through these processes energetically and becoming more coherent. The more coherent I am, the more contrast I can interact with without becoming destabilized and losing the critical structures.
Speaker: It's yeah, and I really appreciate, Scott, that you keep bringing that that um coherence in there, right? Because it is the upside down triangle that the Uniquipili says above all else, as we begin, we are coherent.
Speaker: Right. And then we move ourselves up. I really appreciate you reminding us of that. And, you know, with with without going through all of the vertebrae, I do want to just touch on what is c one or cervical one, which actually encompasses the skull, the brain glands and masses.
Speaker: And the code is something that doesn't have a word. It doesn't have a name. It doesn't have an assignment. And that's purposeful. Because that's where we actually begin to lapse into whatever the experience occurs from materialization or what is known as spiritualization.
Speaker: And so C1 is actually what ushers us because we've done the process of materialization. We now come into proper spiritualization. which another reason why I believe in, I remember my grandmother also sharing, you know, like part of the reason why it does not have a definitive word is because we should not know it because we should not try to control it.
Speaker: It's something that just gets to be experienced and allowed. And so taking us into, and especially brother, you know, when I go through all the codes, that's not gonna threaten me anymore.
Speaker: Maybe, right, if I don't have fluency with the codes, no, I need to know so i can know how to control it. I need need to know how to predict it. What's another word you we could use, like metaphor, simile for codes to help us all to get more of a sense? Because some people are still hearing the word code, I can feel it right now, as like a cognitive information, like a mathematical formula. And this is so much more infinitely more holographic. When you say code, it's not a math,
Speaker: formula. Yeah, something much, much more and it's alive. And it has self awareness, I can feel it. It's conscious of itself. and It's not just some thing like I plugged my toaster into the wall, and I turned it on and it does what I want it to.
Speaker: It's not like that. Totally. And you know, brother, that's such a worthy ah conversation to have, you know, of course, the the root word of code is codex. And it's an ancient word. But also, it has been heavily influenced by this transhumanistic movement.
Speaker: And so being able to offer it something that feels more perhaps organic ah can feel like allow it to relax in the body more. Another way to express what a code is, is a nutrient.
Speaker: It's a nutrient. We have, yeah, we have 33 nutrients that brings us into the proper fulfillment of materialization and that ushers us into ah spiritualization.
Speaker: Wow. Let's just, I'll take a moment, take a deep breath, everybody, and just,
Speaker: let go on the exhale like you're setting down a heavy burden through the whole body just to make some a little more space to sense that you don't have to go to walmart to find these nutrients you don't have to leave your house although it would be good if you did this outside more often but like these nutrients are already and always available fully and completely with nothing withheld from us nothing withheld from us
Speaker: And they set us up from my experience so far, write what I can tell, to be able to live the creative life as opposed to the pre structured by the people I need to fit in with life.
Speaker: To where I can step outside of my nine dots, if you know that exercise or step outside color outside the lines and be like, ah Well, for example, a Connie, if I'm saying that properly.
Speaker: So Keone made a post couple weeks ago, ah beautiful post of him and a dear friend. We see them the backside of them in and there's a waterfall in front and they're in Hawaii.
Speaker: And it's clearly an immersive experience in the nutrients that's also shared and being witnessed, collectively witnessed. And they have their hands on each other. And this beautiful series of words, go find it on his Instagram.
Speaker: I'm going to actually let you tell it because it it's it's really, you live closer to these nutrients in a certain way. Yeah. This particular teaching. You know, the traditional mo'ekane in the Hawaiian culture is ah have has been related to heterosexual gendered men who have no problem um being affectionate with one another.
Speaker: And of course, that extends though to all our relationships. And ultimately, what what it allows us to accomplish is to truly be available for others to love us properly, regardless. and And of course, just like as my tutu, my grandmother shared, you know we we we get to be the ambassador of that and be able to be so incredibly vulnerable because that vulnerability piece with teaching someone how to love me also means that I'm simultaneously teaching someone how they can potentially harm me.
Speaker: And but that's the risk. That's the risk that ability. Yeah. and And you know, there's a beautiful quote, right, brother, one of my favorite quotes, and that is that true love is to allow someone to absolutely destroy me and trusting that they won't.
Speaker: Wow. Yeah. And so, you know, with modern terms, a lot of people will want to say that the moi aikane in ancient Hawaii a kind of form of bisexuality of homosexuality.
Speaker: But what it actually tells us is that the ancient people had a different relationship with human nature. They didn't segregate. identities in these very fixed and rigid ways.
Speaker: We were essentially very fluid in our ability to share and exchange love with one another and how that love wants to be expressed in consent with any human being.
Speaker: And so the fact that, you know, and and the reason why I shared that post is because a lot of people were sharing also that's homosexuality, that's bisexuality. And um me, myself, I'm homosexual. So of course I don't have anything wrong with homosexuality, but you know, I wanted to, in a way defend that. I'm like, that's not homosexuality. That's sexuality.
Speaker: That's called him as well. I think, you know, that, uh, and at the same time, I live open to the question. that there could be a woman that shows up in my life consensually who I am drawn to or have ah have a feeling to explore something more mutually with, and I stay open to that. It hasn't arisen and any sort of a physical way, um but i I choose to remain open so that I can continue to grow yeah and continue to be of greater benefit to beings.
Speaker: Yeah, most certainly, brother. i love that too. And, you know, I so i share that sentiment as well. I'm just available to exchange in love and what feels appropriate in consent with whomever I make contact with.
Speaker: And integrity as well. Right, right. With that integrity as well. And, you know, and that's why, you know, ah translating the moi ikane in a modern sense. And in fact, if you even Google moi ikane, a lot of the scholars will even share it's like, it's actually kind of impossible.
Speaker: to translate what that means in modern context because what moi is actually revealing to us is human nature it's human nature is to want to connect to have loving relationship with one another because ultimately this thing called war this is a very modern concept it actually really is You know, maybe since the age of Aries that we've had this thing called the age of or or war.
Speaker: Before that, we had such meaningful relationship with one another that that's incomprehensible. You know, and in new culture and the access I have with my heritage is we don't find war at all.
Speaker: in mute And Mu culture, everybody, is pre-Polynesian. So the poly some people might be going, oh, the Polynesians were a warring culture. This is a pre-Polynesian culture. This is a very different time.
Speaker: It doesn't look like anything that the modern imagination might conceive. Yeah, thank you for clarifying that, brother. And, you know, that's also part of the connection that we have between the Pacific and the Indian Ocean is that the landmass or the culture or the essence of mu actually extended from the Pacific spilled into the Indian Ocean.
Speaker: And so there are so many correlations between India and Hawaii because we have an archaic connection because we once shared this landmass. And, you know, many people will argue, right, that, but if we do buffometry, if we do the mapping of the ocean floor, there's no proof that any landmass has sunk. And I would say, yeah, absolutely. There is no landmass that sunk because Mu vanished.
Speaker: It vanished. And I know that this can be hard to wrap our heads around, but we got to think in terms of frequency. Because mu in the absolution of love, because that's it's kia kahi or its purpose is the absolution of love. That's why in mu, we also come into materialization. We go from light beings into predominant crystalline and then carbon based.
Speaker: That's part of the materialization process. And through that process, what happened is we began to experiment with challenging love. That's part of the process as well. In order for you and I to be fluent and have authority of the completion of love, it needs to be deliberately challenged. There's nothing inherently wrong with that.
Speaker: But in that process of challenging love, we were no longer in the absolute resonance of love and Mu began to vanish. and what I love about that idea, right?
Speaker: And that memory is that at any moment, brother, if you and i right reinstate the absolution of love, that culture, that essence will reappear upon the earth.
Speaker: And that's potentially what we get to experience at the point of spiritualization. is In an utter vulnerability, that is exactly why i i knew and chose to reach out to you to be in dialogue on the show is for that actual thing.
Speaker: Is to, is like this being, I'm pretty sure it can do this and I'm up for going for it. Let's reinstate this. Let's see, even just in this time period on this recording, let's just see how much love can be showed up with, for, from, and what arises from that.
Speaker: What can be played with from that. I love that. it Don't you love, Scott, that begins with just the invitation, right? and like yeah And even us just speaking in regards to Mu and like this energy of Lemurie in such a way is that we're consenting ourselves to reunite and reinstate that energy of love that I consent myself to once again be the receptacle of that kind of love. And when so many of us human beings do that, of course, I feel something that at one point had vanished
Speaker: can reappear once again. And then we realign with the resonance and the frequency of love, which would suggest an entire planet. And then maybe even an entire universe comes into completion.
Speaker: how How did your, does the songs that, the teaching songs, the twilight language that your tutu shared with you talk about our place in the wider cosmos, this seemingly endless dimensions, universes upon universes, like Earth is this little tiny dot in the end of a cul-de-sac in a galaxy surrounded by so much infinitely more. where how does it What does it say about this place even existing and how we got here? And and what is our right relationship with the rest of the cosmos?
Speaker: Right. I want to begin addressing that question by first, you know, introducing that in the new doctrines. What happened is that source, what we call ka command na ihannna it's it's it's it's love.
Speaker: It's an energy. It's a a voltage of love. It had the first intelligence. And the first intelligence is I not only want to be love, I want to give and receive it as well.
Speaker: And therefore God separated itself from itself so that it could love itself. So love can be self reflective. That's Aloha ma. Aloha ma.
Speaker: Now the uniqueness with earth ah in relationship to the rest of the cosmos, according to the new doctrines, what my grandmother shared with me, and what I inherently remember is that this is specifically where organic life experiences love.
Speaker: organic life. And this is why, you know, I'm such a, an advocate for the perpetuation and the regeneration of organic life because our planet, our solar system is truly the place to which organic life experiences love.
Speaker: There's intelligence, of course, in all corners of the universe, but this specific place is where organic life is meant to complete love.
Speaker: And I want to emphasize what I just said there, to complete it. And so if we bypass, if we do not properly materialize, if we go into transhumanism, then we're not completing the organic experience of love.
Speaker: There's so much here. I don't know about you listeners, but for me, I've got a practice of listening behind people's words and between the words for the main meal. And I'm swimming in it right now, like swimming in it. And I'm inviting you.
Speaker: if you're not yet experiencing some sort of a sense of something, sounds like a lot of information, soften your feet and hands even more, like really relax the body even more. It's so subtle. It may seem like goosebumps or it may seem like just a subtle energy playing across the skin, or maybe your heart feels a little bigger than you're used to or something like this. But there's there's a lot here that's not simply cognitive information. it's' it's ah It's a temple bell inviting us to remember how we're already home and we do belong and we can never be kicked out we've kicked ourselves out that's such a beautiful invitation brother mahalo
Speaker: i'm finding myself curious the correlation between the fern medicine and moving through the 33 segments of stored information and like working with the Fern Medicine in concert with, uh, Ulu the book, the spinal technology, the processes there.
Speaker: You know, with, uh, with Fern Medicine, ah why who if Uh, we have 103 ferns that correlate to 103 human emotions. And the reason why the emotions are so important for you and I is because it really determines our electrical experience because this universe, what we can fathom is that it's an electrical universe that might be the actual composition of this entire universe. And for you and I as human beings to relate to an electrical universe, we have our emotions because our emotions is what makes us electrical.
Speaker: And so when we come into proper fluency of our emotional experience, we also become the proper voltage in order to once again coexist, cohabitate with this universe as well.
Speaker: And so, you know, my work with with Fern Medicine is is taking individual ferns that correlate to individual emotions and just having conversations about them. Like, where do you feel your fluency with the emotion of compassion is?
Speaker: Where do I feel that my ah relationship with the emotion of fury is? All of this, like knowing that there are actual ah electrical voltages. so that we come into proper like electric the electrical self.
Speaker: And then of course reconfigure the nervous system, which can be so supportive for us so we don't go into reaction. We can mean remain present in the body. And for everybody who's not familiar with this, these processes of making these medicines, these fern medicines, they are actual ferns that grow around the world, particularly in Hawaii.
Speaker: And they have to be collected at certain times for their essence to be most available and to find out what time one has to one be taught but two be paying attention and these are not necessarily the most convenient times of day for the processes for the human convenience certain things have to be harvested at moonlight like the hermetic alchemists who are making formulas they talk about making um um now i'm forgetting with it there's a certain sort of a do that you collect in the middle of the night and it's like got this certain energy for it, right? So there's such an enormous process in any one vial of this medicine for Keone to go through and have to put himself through to be able to have the interaction and bring it into a medicine that we can take and have an experience.
Speaker: Yes, brother. It's definitely cultivating a relationship with these botanicals. Of course, they're sentient beings and You know, have some of these ferns there. They're so rare, right? i I have to go on foot, maybe like 20 miles and then you know, that'll be my whole day. Right. And then I get there and then I ask consent and the firm says, no.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah Right. You got to go deep into acceptance. Right. but And the ordinary mind might go, Oh, was that a waste of a day? But the extraordinary mind goes, no, this is part of a much longer process and everything is going well.
Speaker: And the 20 miles I went on and everything experienced along the way, if I was present, is part of the process of the longer cycle of what's unfolding as opposed to my colonialized mind going, I'm going to go to this place, take this thing, I'm going to make the medicine, I'm going to sell it for X dollars, and I'm going to then go buy a Prada jacket.
Speaker: Right, exactly. And you know, like some of the spas will want to resource, you know, these, these corporate spas will want to resource the, the medicinals and they cannot inter understand when I say i can't sign contracts.
Speaker: Because I don't know if I can procure the amount that you want at any given time. i can And they're like, wait a minute, what is that again? yeah yeah it's called participation with a living universe.
Speaker: you know we have these We have these memories. I mean, we know we know some those of us who study developmental psychology, like there's certain things we have to go through to develop this organic carbon-based system we call a human body and a human ego healthily before we can transcend it.
Speaker: And the first thing we experience is the subject-object split. I'm over here and Keone's in Hawaii, or so it seems. We have to experience that before we can that contrast before we can recognize the non-separation in a real useful way.
Speaker: Yeah, beautifully said, Scott.
Speaker: Keone, there's a question I ask every guest and it's just coming forward now. It's based on my favorite one of my favorite quotes. So this fellow who who trained at a very different time in life and place ah from a little boy as a Zen priest, Shunryo Suzuki Roshi, who opened the Zen Center of San Francisco in the 60s, he said, death is certain, the time is not.
Speaker: What is the most important thing?
Speaker: It's love. It's love. And specifically, alohama, self-love. the ability to love ourselves. And I feel like, you know, that takes us into a liminal space.
Speaker: Say what a liminal space is for for people to freshly get what that is. You know, for me, a liminal space is it's connection. It's making contact with that quantum realm where there's all possibilities, potentials occurring simultaneously.
Speaker: And specifically, if we live in a world of free will, right, then that's also where we get to make certain decisions and choices for ourselves based upon the authority that comes from our love, our self-love. It's like authority that comes from love. So love gives a certain authority or possibility of power. Yeah, I believe so. I believe that's, you know, that's that is, I would say, like the password into spiritualization.
Speaker: is that that The password into spiritualization is love. Yeah. And specifically self-love, self-love. And then, of course, if that's not being brought, then we get to repeat over and over again so that we can you know go through the necessary processes in order to finally show up.
Speaker: So what is self-love? Because so many of us have gone through different workshops or trainings or books, and maybe we are under the illusion that self-love means I love that my my skin looks the way it looks. it's going to change. Or I love the clothes in my closet and I made good choices.
Speaker: Self-love is so much more. We know this is, but like are we even able to articulate it poetically or non-poetically? Which self? What is my self? Right, brother. Well, so for me, right, and going along to what was shared in today's conversation, but it's the ability to choose the self, yeah truth to choose the self.
Speaker: And that would be, you know, an example of being in self-love is I choose this. I choose the fulfillment of this. I choose the completion of this. I am the leader and I am the hero of this.
Speaker: And I will bring it into the process of spiritualization. And i really feel like, at least from my experience, that would be what self-love is. Wow.
Speaker: There's so many directions I would love to go with you. and And I feel like I need to invite you back on the podcast. This is feeling just organically. And this is another, I think, pointing out opportunity for the listener.
Speaker: As much as I'm loving this and there's there's the quality in me that's like, more, and more, more. This is so great. Let's talk more. Let's go play. There's a sensing below the mind and behind all the words.
Speaker: Oh, this feels like an organic moment to put a bookmark in.
Speaker: But before we do, I wanna see Keone, as you sense in, as you're so good at checking in, is there anything that you feel moved to share as we move towards completion or say or ask sing?
Speaker: i just wanna say, brother, I really enjoyed this conversation and you have a really beautiful way of taking information and just bringing, ah creating an openness to it.
Speaker: And so i really just wanna acknowledge that gift of yours Um, you know, i want to share this and something that's been helpful for me in coming into the process of of choosing the self and self love and, and, uh, the enjoyment of it is I would encourage people to allow themselves to play more, more play.
Speaker: Yeah. and you know, This is what happened with me, okay, because the concepts of the world and and of the universe can seem so crushing at times right it's the immensity the magnitude of it all.
Speaker: um When I began to just allow myself to play more to be more playful. You know, to be in a world where I'm able to be amused, and that doesn't mean I scrutinize things. That means that I'm i'm curious again.
Speaker: I'm curious. I don't need to intervene. like More amusement, more play. I noticed, Scott, that the world and the universe is actually really friendly. It's really friendly.
Speaker: And the more that I opened the world, the more I became in dialogue with the world. My ability to have conversations with the plants and the animals and the cosmos just exponentially opened up.
Speaker: from that con that nutrient of play and so i would love to you know disperse our conversation today and inviting everyone into more and more and more play the day that i i believe it was the day that i wrote to you on instagram to invite you to the podcast i happened to be outside i don't know if i was walking or just seated outside and then i turned around to come up the the short little steps to the doorway to the building.
Speaker: But before I did, I i just looked down and there was an owl feather. Just right there, like perfectly placed.
Speaker: For me, these these seemingly little things, when I'm not filling my attention, when I'm not filling my attention, forget about what with,
Speaker: they're everywhere. Like there's constant guidance from this, this from existence
Speaker: that can offer leadership into greater coherency and coherency leads into love and love leads into all sorts of wonderfulness and play greases the tracks play. And my experiences is, is giving and receiving without an attachment to an outcome. And in in that mood of curiosity, like,
Speaker: Yeah. Anything's possible. And let's just go for it. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Greasing the tracks. Yes, brother.
Speaker: i could do, I could talk with you forever. May many more ah dialogues unfold. Yeah. Thank you so much for being here and everybody we are going to, Oh wait, before we wrap this up so we can find you best, like the, the offerings you'd like us to most know about for sure.
Speaker: The book Ulu was self-published, but you can get it on Amazon. And we have that in the show notes for you to look at. Can people mentor with you or is it more of class type situations? Like what's available in terms of studying and learning and materializing and spiritualizing ah with the guidance that comes through you?
Speaker: Yeah, mahalo. Thank you, brother. Well, you know, I offer a ah free virtual membership for Ulu. that everyone's invited to. And I have sporadic live ceremonies from time to time. I also have an entire database of going through the nutrients of the spinal cord. And so if it's something that you find interesting, this conversation really, you know, activated you in a way I have further support for you in that free membership.
Speaker: Um, if you browse my, my website, pohalla.net, there's just a whole bunch of information, including, you know, a lot of the work I do with ferns and, um, ways to which you can, ah work with me privately. I'm not actually hosting any private mentorships right now, but I am facilitating lots of virtual courses where I dive deep into such an ah ah array of different things and would love, love your company. So please join us.
Speaker: Wonderful. Wonderful. So as we've be become accustomed to doing, we're going to be together in stillness and silence, everybody. And so you can do what you did at the beginning of the podcast with my invitation to deepen and slow your exhalations, deepen your inhalations, slow your exhalations, soften the soles of your feet and the palms of hands. You're like you're opening tight fists with your imagination.
Speaker: See, feel or imagine that you are held irrevocably in the arms of love itself. And we'll be together in this way for a little bit in stillness and experience whatever you experience.
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Speaker: Thanks for listening. Can't wait to join you in the next episode.
