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Episode 91: Go Home, Your C*m Doesn't Work: The Mike Kanellis Story
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Come hangout as the boys read Predetermined: Erotic Fan Fiction, Derrick gives WWE a spanking and then talk this weeks awesome AEW!
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Humor and Dynamics: Garrett, Derek, and Joey Janela
00:00:00
Speaker
Interior. A bedroom. Garrett and Derek stare into each other's eyes, candles lit, both wearing nothing but predetermined hats. Should we talk about wrestling? Garrett cracks open a white claw. No, we should talk about the underlying sexual tension in our relationship. Derek cracks open a white claw and pours it on Garrett. Hit our goddamn music.
00:00:29
Speaker
Celine Dion's, it's all coming back to me now, begins to play. You're hotter than Samoa Joe in Saudi Arabia, buddy. The biggest party of the summer is in my pants. Like an exploding light tube. Showers the front row of a GCW show in glass. You've showered my heart with love, buddy.
00:00:52
Speaker
Things get sexy. Yada-yada light tubes. Yada-yada Singapore cane. Yada-yada staple gun. Oh, my balls! Joey Janela enters the room. I heard there was some white claw in here. Yeah, there's a case of natural lime. I prefer black cherry. Joey shrugs, grabs a white claw and cracks one open. Oh, there's someone else who wants to say hi.
00:01:22
Speaker
Jizz enters the room. Gonna make it a three-way? Only if you bring me another white claw. The End.
Fan Fiction and Audience Engagement
00:02:07
Speaker
What you just heard was an excerpt of the P1 Climax written by Klaus White. Believe it or not, Klaus White sent us nearly 600 pages of P1 Climax fan fiction written for pre-determined a pro wrestling hangout.
00:02:25
Speaker
That was just we have been we've been hyping that up for so long and we felt that it was appropriate if we were going to put it on the show to put it at the top of the show for as long as we made you wait for that.
Storytelling without Music Cues
00:02:37
Speaker
And it was so important. We completely bypassed the whole hit our goddamn music thing that we've been doing for so long.
00:02:43
Speaker
This is the only time we've not hit our goddamn music. Because we felt that it was kind of implied after that wonderful story you just got to hear. Seriously though, the author is what doesn't seem to want to be named other than Klaus White. We appreciate that deeply. If you want to write us any more fan fiction, I promise it will be read in a much more timely manner from here on out.
00:03:07
Speaker
And we will continue if you send us fanfiction. We will read it at the top of the show so that it's the first thing that people have to hear when they find this show on iTunes. Think about that. I thought that was really tasteful. Yeah, I thought that was... That pretty much encapsulates the show and what we are, right? Yeah, I think that pretty much hit the nail on the head. We really don't have to do another show ever.
00:03:35
Speaker
Well, is this episode 90 or was that last week? I think that was last week. I think we're on 91. We're approaching 100 in such wonderful fashion. As we approach the road to 100, what's going to be the big surprise? The biggest party of the autumn.
00:03:55
Speaker
Oh, goodness gracious, we're back. Guess this is as good a time as any. If you haven't already, if you like that hot intro there, hop on iTunes, give us five stars, leave us a nice review. And if you do that, we'll talk about something that you want us to talk about on the show.
Passion and Frustration: WWE Critiques
00:04:10
Speaker
Garrett, we've got a lot to talk about today. And I kind of forewarned you before we started, you're getting angry, Derek, today. So you should be even more impressed with that performance I just put on.
00:04:23
Speaker
Yeah I honestly I didn't think I really thought that was not gonna make it into this week's episode again because you warned me already that you were coming in hot and I am a little worried I'm a little worried that people are gonna you know be afraid that we just hate stuff now
00:04:44
Speaker
All the time? Are you actually worried about that? Or is it just like you being self-conscious that somebody's gonna say like, oh god, another wrestling podcast where they're negative? I mean, you know, that's always a fear I'm gonna have, but you know what? Do you really care? No, because they really fucking deserve it this time.
00:05:03
Speaker
Daddy's breaking out the belt today. Someone's getting the spanking. How many episodes would you say since we've started this show where the main event of the show has been me going on a rant about something specific? I mean, fairly often, right? I mean, once every few episodes, maybe once every 10.
00:05:26
Speaker
I would say though that the number of episodes we've done were like it's been a good 20, 30 minute like drubbing. Not that many. Like I remember we did the episode where I ripped backlash from a year or two ago. I think we ripped them on the crown jewel Saudi Arabia shows. But I mean, I know that we've definitely taken WWE to task in the past, but it seems like it's required right now, don't you think?
00:05:56
Speaker
But really, whose fault is it? We can't expect WWE to not be WWE. Yeah, we can. We're totally allowed to do that. But we should be held at fault for getting our expectations higher or just different than they should have been. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask somebody you've been giving your money to to provide a satisfactory product.
00:06:20
Speaker
But when they've not been giving us a satisfactory product for so long, what have they learned that we'll keep giving them the money anyway? Well, so we do want to get into this week's AEW. I'm sure you have some other things that you would like to talk about, but I'm diving right into it this week because I hyped it up on Twitter that I was going to give WWE a tongue lashing, so we're getting into it. Fuck them. Fuck them to death. That's the tongue lashing sound effect.
00:06:50
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It also sounds like the noise Jizz makes when he does the caterpillar, right? That's what they call him. That's his body bounces off the mat. That's just his organs squishing around.
00:07:06
Speaker
Don't try to be silly right now, I'm mad. I know you're mad. One of us has to not be mad. Are you nervous? I am nervous. Is dad getting ready to explode at the dinner table and you're thinking about going to your room? Right now I'm trying to break the tension by making some jokes and some silly noises. Everybody knows you're about to throw a chair.
00:07:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's essentially what's about to happen. So look, I think one of the weird things about the way the week is broken up now as far as pro wrestling goes, it's so weird because we get done watching AEW on a Wednesday night and we immediately go into this podcast. And we do have the option of watching AEW and NXT, which is undisputedly WWE's best brand, wink, wink.
00:07:55
Speaker
What it does mean is that we get to go through Friday Night SmackDown and Raw and then have a lot of time to sit on that before we record on a Wednesday. So we've had plenty of time. Honestly, I don't even know what you have and haven't watched. I kind of did my damnedest to talk you out of watching SmackDown from last week. You sent me a text and said,
00:08:21
Speaker
please do not watch it. And then I was getting ready to text back, I really wanna watch it now. And you immediately text back before I ever got a chance. I know this is gonna make you really wanna watch it, but take my word for me and don't.
00:08:40
Speaker
And I know how you operate and I think I just called you out on the show last week for this. It's like when WWE gets its most boring or its most pointless and it hits rock bottom and people dip out and they're like, I'm gonna take a couple weeks off. Next thing I know, we show up to do the show a couple days later and you've been watching.
00:09:03
Speaker
And I don't understand it, and it's infuriating. It's that whole, you know, your favorite band gets popular, you don't like them anymore, and then when nobody gives a shit, suddenly their music's the best ever effect. It's how it feels, I know that's not what it actually is. But I liked Roman Reigns when he wasn't cool. The thing is, you liked Roman Reigns when he legitimately was cool the first time.
00:09:28
Speaker
and then it became not cool, and you didn't like him, and then it became, like, I don't know, you've been pretty on point with Roman Reigns up to this point in his career. Okay, okay, fine. Fine, you've done well. Well, okay, what's WWE doing that's so bad right now that- You're such a dickhead.
00:09:49
Speaker
for trying to play fucking Barbara Walters on this shit like you don't know like you haven't heard even if you haven't fucking watched I'm sure you've you've read enough for or heard enough complaints from people up to this point so week two of their big show Friday night Smackdown which by the way is there it's supposed to be there a show now it's their flagship brand because they're on Fox
WWE Draft Controversy and Criticism
00:10:15
Speaker
And they're starting up the draft and it's supposed to be a two-night event on Fox and then following up another night on Raw and The show's supposed to kick off with Seth Rollins versus Roman Reigns and the winner of this match Gets to represent their brand and whoever wins gets their brand gets the number one pick, right? Okay, and during the match they have the audacity to
00:10:39
Speaker
to suggest this is this might be the last time that we see Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins fight each other just just fucking twist in the knife like there's some seven-year-old at home going turn into his dad going really
00:10:57
Speaker
Oh no, I gotta watch this for sure. And you know when you're bringing in the 2004 Summer Olympics gymnastics team to fill in the rest of the roster, there's not enough time for Roman and Seth anymore.
00:11:10
Speaker
Please keep those other athletes jokes going for weeks. Just keep them coming. If there's any kind of vague athlete reference you can make that talking about them jumping up on WWE program and keep it coming because that'll never not be on point. It's like they don't know me.
00:11:30
Speaker
That's the thing, I think it's fair to say they don't. But so we've got a match here that they've been hyping up on social media and during the match, like this determines who gets the number one pick. This is significant. And I turn to my roommate, Chris, and I say to him, well, they're doing this on SmackDown, right? So it only makes sense that SmackDown is probably gonna get the number one pick.
00:11:51
Speaker
despite the fact that, you know, it's SmackDown gets two picks, Raw gets three picks because of the length of the show, which is not SmackDown's fault. So I don't even understand why they would adhere to those rules to begin with. But keep in mind, up to this point, who's making these picks? There's no general managers. I didn't watch. But OK, was there who came out and announced the picks?
00:12:20
Speaker
So here's how this works. First of all, Seth Rollins versus Roman Reigns. They're having like an okay whatever we've seen this before match. The Fiend in the middle of the match emerges from under the ring, like cuts it open, pulls Seth Rollins in with like a mandible claw. They're gone for maybe 15 seconds. And then Seth Rollins emerges back through the hole.
00:12:47
Speaker
choking and gagging and whatever. And then the fiend pokes his little head out and gives kind of like a devilish coy expression like, he, he, he, he, look what I did. And then the lights go out. And then next thing you know, the fiend's on the stage looking back at the ring, trying to be all sinister and shit. And then we go to commercial break. And I'm sitting there like, so what happened? Like, the bell never rang.
00:13:15
Speaker
So we come back from break and it's just accepted like, well, since Bray Wyatt attacked Seth Rollins and Seth Rollins was representing Raw, Raw gets the number one pick because of disqualification. They just accept it. There was this huge principle set that, you know, this is a big deal. This is for the number one pick. And then once again, just ends in a DQ. And by the way, Raw gets the pick because a Raw guy attacked a Raw guy.
00:13:44
Speaker
Well, hey, you know, it's the champion rules, you know. Champions advantage. Smackdown's just because they didn't think of it first. Yeah, I guess I'm pissed. I didn't think to tune out before this happened. So who's the first pick? I don't fuck. I don't even remember. Oh, it was Becky Lynch.
00:14:09
Speaker
Becky Lynch was the first pick going to Raw. So you asked who makes the picks, right? Literally, here's the format. Stephanie McMahon walks out to the stage and reads five names. This is the pick for Raw. This is the pick for SmackDown. This is the pick for Raw. This is the pick for SmackDown. This is the pick for Raw. There's your first round.
00:14:34
Speaker
And did the crowds go wild at the reading? No, nobody really. I mean, I'm sure they popped for Becky Lynch. But here's the other thing. They did this thing where they had like this, like parts of the roster put into what they called pools. And on night one of the draft, only like half the roster was available to be drafted.
00:14:55
Speaker
I don't understand like they overcomplicated the situation that didn't need to be overcome because I think they were trying to find some way to get around the fact that that this is stupid. Well, well, but here's the thing. If you're if you're building a brand, even theoretically, you definitely draft the first pick you do is you draft a champion, right?
00:15:18
Speaker
Like, the first two pigs, theoretically, would have to be Rollins and Lesnar. If it was just a free-for-all. Yeah. Right. Well, they found a way around that where they're just like, those guys aren't available tonight. Like, they're not available like they're not here, or you're just not allowed for some arbitrary reason. You're just not allowed to until you turn in the raw. Then suddenly they're available. What number was Larry Bird drafted? Fuck.
00:15:51
Speaker
So I'll be honest with you there was a point halfway into this show and by the way this format continued the whole night where people got and here's the other thing this is an important part that I think has already been overlooked so when they put out a press release for this draft and
00:16:10
Speaker
They listed all these names of here's some of the superstars who are available that can get picked to a different show or whatever, whatever. I swear to God, Garrett, this isn't going to be news to everybody, but we kind of got to mention it. The list of superstars they had in the press release was the draft order. They leaked. They leaked the draft order in a press release like earlier in the day or the day before.
00:16:41
Speaker
Somebody just copied and pasted the script. They copied and pasted the goddamn script of what was gonna happen into a press release. Somebody done fucked up.
WWE's Direction and Authenticity Issues
00:16:54
Speaker
I tuned out. I fucking tuned out of this show. Because every time, this is the fucking cherry on top of the shit sundae.
00:17:07
Speaker
they cut to these backstage war rooms where it's like here's the fox war room for their draft picks and they've got like the nfl robot football guy in there and some execs and then they've got the usa network
00:17:24
Speaker
the cast of that 70s show in that NFL robot cheering that they got Roman Reigns. Fucking Peter Griffin's in there. And every time they make a pic, it cuts to these rooms and the acting is just the worst and it's cheesy. And every time there's a pic that the room erupts in cheers and applause that they got their person that they wanted. And it's it's just.
00:17:51
Speaker
so so it's a fake room of executives that we do not know correct it's a room of actors pretending to be executives pretending to react to draft picks that they don't know and to top it all off mixed in with this show
00:18:10
Speaker
I'm gonna give you all the juicy detail. I'm not done, Garrett, so I hope you're in for the long run. Oh, I have my legs crossed. I'm comfortable. Let's do this. Good. Do you have a claw with you? I've been sipping a ruby grapefruit this entire time. Good. You're gonna need more than one.
00:18:29
Speaker
I'm sitting there watching the show with Chris and he, at some point after they do, cause here's the thing, they're mixing in these segments where they're like, let's go to the Fox NFL and listen, see what they think about the WWE draft. And then they go ask like Terry Bradshaw and fucking Michael Strahan, how like they feel like who would be their number one draft pick in WWE? And they're like, Oh my God.
00:18:52
Speaker
You mean that guy that took Regis's spot on Regis and Kathy- Regis and Kathy- You got ye goddamn right. I like him. See now they're starting to pull people that I know. You're a butthole. And Terry Bradshaw from that Matthew McConaughey movie. Failure to launch.
00:19:11
Speaker
Hell yeah. So sometime between this and then another appearance by Kane Velasquez hyping up their Halloween match in the middle of the day on the WWE Network, because that's what we're calling it. It's fucking Saudi Arabia Halloween Havoc that nobody gives a shit about. He turns to me and he says, so I guess WWE is just not into pro wrestling anymore. And I had literally been thinking this the whole time. I was just like,
00:19:41
Speaker
Like in all seriousness, I think the thing that rubs me maybe the wrong way the most is there was a point where I legitimately felt embarrassed.
00:19:52
Speaker
Like I felt embarrassed to have ever been associated with this company because what they were forcing people to do is pretend to care. They were going and getting the Terry Bradshaw's and some of these sports analysts and asking them, what do you think about this? As if though they all fucking care and watch WWE.
00:20:11
Speaker
and making them give me their thoughts on something that just the network is doing and putting on their programming and making them pretend to put on a show for me like I care and like they care and like the network actually wants thinks there's any crossover here
00:20:28
Speaker
And it was just like, this isn't, this could be something completely different. Like I'm okay with some of the crossover stuff, like for, at the beginning of all this, I understand that's part of the process, but fuck it was embarrassing between those war room segments and watching people condescend and laugh about how goofy W, I mean, it was them laughing at professional wrestling while trying to sell professional wrestling to an audience.
00:21:13
Speaker
I think I was more interested in watching a hockey game. So I guess what I'm getting at here is between that and then the news breaks that after four months, WWE has parted ways with Eric Bischoff.
00:21:21
Speaker
I hate that. That makes me feel sad.
00:21:34
Speaker
I mean, is that a good or a bad thing? So there's nothing good about it. There's nothing good about it? No.
00:21:46
Speaker
For fans or for. Think about it. Four months ago, the owner of a company said we're making this really big move to this big network. There's going to be a boom period coming up for this company. We need to make a move for somebody who's going to matter and be important and can help us. And they chose Eric Bischoff and I gave it a chance and said, hey, maybe bringing in an outside perspective of somebody who used to be pretty good at this.
00:22:11
Speaker
will help. Maybe a lot of other people didn't have any enthusiasm for it at all. I know a lot of people didn't, but the idea was there. The boss made that call. Vince McMahon hired Eric Bischoff thinking this will help. And four months later was like, ah, I was wrong. He's out of here. Like two shows in. They did two episodes of SmackDown and then were like, this is on Eric. He's out of here.
00:22:40
Speaker
Depending upon the reports you read, some people said that Eric wasn't doing much, some people said that you're hearing things that some people didn't like working under him, some people said he was in catering all the time. I don't know what to believe, and I guess maybe eventually the truth will come out. What I do know is, let me ask you Garrett, as you have stated earlier in this rant,
00:23:05
Speaker
Since we're so used to WWE being what it is, do you really believe that over the last four months Vince McMahon gave Eric Bischoff a legitimate shot at changing the WWE product? I have a hard time thinking that Eric Bischoff's solution to all of this was to bring in a bunch of sports stars.
Vince McMahon and WWE Mishaps
00:23:27
Speaker
But then again, he was the guy that brought in Carl Malone and Dennis Rodman. But do you, but doesn't this also stink just as much of Vince McMahon? Like this is his idea of what pro wrestling is?
00:23:42
Speaker
right now i i don't know after hell in a cell and just what's happening i feel like i'm in that part of wcw when it was like getting really shitty but also that same part of wwe a couple years ago when it was like the gender mahal times when it got pretty shitty there too it's like a good combination of the two biggest shitties combined into one
00:24:09
Speaker
Let's recap. In a span of what now, like a month? The Hell in a Cell thing happened with with Bray. I mean, they've completely fucked Rollins. I did hear that at the end of the show, Rollins burned down the he burned down his dressing room because he's like he burned down the Firefly Funhouse set.
00:24:32
Speaker
And the crowd was booing him. And some people were trying to rationalize it and be like, oh, it's a double turn. And now the fiend is the baby face and Seth Rollins is the heel. That's giving them a lot of credit that they don't deserve that they didn't think, oh, no, the crowd's going to totally be into this.
00:24:54
Speaker
Like between Kofi dropping the belt as quickly as he did, between Hell in a Cell ending the way that it did, between, Garrett, they lost 1.1 million viewers between week one of SmackDown and week two. They lost over a third of their audience. I was one of them. I mean, I watched, but I didn't watch for more than a little bit.
00:25:23
Speaker
Is it? Well, it sounds like you didn't like being treated like an idiot. Yeah. It sounded like Terry Bradshaw came in and hurt your feelings and you ran away. I just realized that if if because I mean, there were reports that at the end of Hell in a Cell, the way that match ended and the way the crowd reacted, there were reports that we don't know were true, that Vince McMahon was backstage laughing at how angry the crowd was because he thought it was hilarious.
00:25:54
Speaker
That is a fucking madman. Two days earlier, maybe one of the most pivotal moments in his company's history, he has a debut on Fox that's supposed to elevate his company to the next level. And two days later, he has the crowd chanting that they want refunds, chanting the letters of a rival promotion. And to him, it's just like, I really got him this time, didn't I?
00:26:24
Speaker
He needs to learn. But the thing is, once again, I think we are all a little to blame here. I mean, maybe this is a little victim blaming, but we keep coming back.
AEW vs WWE: Shifting Loyalties
00:26:36
Speaker
And we never left. Maybe there have been two times that I've canceled my account and then within two months had it again. So I'm canceling my account and this time definitely feels different.
00:26:52
Speaker
I legitimately feel like emotionally exhausted and I don't have to just eat shit anymore and take it because I've got another show I can watch.
00:27:02
Speaker
Like they're fumbling the ball, if I could make a sports reference in the middle of this now sports show that WWE is running. I like that we're the ones that are like, quit fucking doing all these sports things. And they're like, dude, two months ago, you were talking hockey every single episode. Well, but there's a difference. That's on our terms.
00:27:24
Speaker
Like, we're allowed to have lives beyond this, but like, fuck man. I don't know, I'm getting my wrestling fix from AEW. WWE picked a really shitty time to fail this hard. And no, we shouldn't be surprised. And yes, you are right that we are partially to blame for all of the times that they have been horrible and then done whatever little thing they can to draw attention to themselves and get us to come back.
00:27:52
Speaker
That said, we don't have to do that anymore. And there were people after, I was so fucking pissed. This was just as much a factor as anything. I was so pissed.
00:28:07
Speaker
When I saw the reaction, like the universal unanimous reaction on Twitter from people at the end of Hell in a Cell ripping the end of that show and how shitty it was and how fucked up they bungled the fucking fiend
00:28:22
Speaker
saying this is whatever I'm fucking done and then there were people pointing out you know the best way to send the message is to not tune in tomorrow to raw and then you fucking hop on social media the next day around people are talking about the show and how it opens with Bobby Lashley continuing his whole thing with Lana and fucking rusev
00:28:42
Speaker
Like the fuckers like these. Again, when we started this podcast, I took on the perception that I was going to be the guy that was the WWE guy. Within almost two years. I'm calling them out. I can't defend this shit. They don't give a fuck about pro wrestling anymore.
00:29:06
Speaker
They have a roster full of talented fucking people and they're asking a boxer and a former UFC guy to come in and save their show to take it to the next level. And they did it blatantly at the expense of one of their best positive fucking stories in years in Kofi Kingston. They just chucked that aside in seven seconds. See, when I see that happen and I look at the people that are on their roster,
00:29:31
Speaker
I think like, why do I need to invest my time in caring about these people? Because I'm just going to be sad. Yes, my favorite characters are stuck in limbo. It's like, you know, I'm hoping this Rob Pattinson Batman movie is going to be my Batman savior, but like, but DC is making some stinkers.
00:29:52
Speaker
you know and I always like DC quite a bit so this is kind of that same thing like what do I who do I want to tune in for to watch lose to a fucking Phil Mickelson or whatever
00:30:06
Speaker
This is going to get harder as I try and pull sports references. No, I get what you're saying, though, is that like there's always something in your back of your mind keeps you coming back, right? They have like there's somebody that you want to see succeed. There's a lot of people I want to see succeed over there. I mean, nearly everyone. They have one of the best roster rosters in fucking wrestling. I would argue they have the best roster in wrestling.
00:30:33
Speaker
If you just combined all three brands, all of the talent they have, and just understand that they could do whatever they wanted with that talent. They could do anything. They could have any number of shows they wanted. They could have whatever, the four that they have between 205 Live, NXT, SmackDown, and Raw, or they could have one or two.
00:30:53
Speaker
and they could do, they could, there's no excuse, there's no like, well they have to operate within these con, like they could do whatever the fuck they want and this is what they choose to do month in, month out, week in, week out. Have you seen anything though from fans that, cause you know WWE still has it's die hard fans, but are those people starting to finally look at other stuff?
00:31:17
Speaker
I think I have seen, and again, I just got done ripping Twitter's reaction to Hell in a Cell. I did see some people who are typically the always positive, always there to give WWE the benefit of that. Those people are cracking.
00:31:32
Speaker
Like somebody, our good friend Andrew, Andrew H. I'll say. You know who I'm talking about. Andrew. Yes. I was trying not to out the full name, but yes. Thanks, Garrett. Look up Andrew Hendron in the phone book and find where he lives and harass him. That's fine.
00:31:50
Speaker
Don't do that. He made the great point the other day online that like as popular as WCW Nitro was and as popular as the whole Monday night war situation was, it proved one thing, which is that on a long enough timeline, if fans are given the option to choose between something shitty that they've been loyal to for a long time or something that's new, that's better, that
00:32:17
Speaker
After a while, they gravitate towards the thing that's better. And I can totally relate to that. I was a WCW guy until it just became too much to make excuses for, not as entertaining, and somebody like The Rock stepped in and pulled me away. And I never went back. And then they ceased to exist. I'm not saying that's gonna happen with WWE, but I can tell you,
00:32:42
Speaker
Out of all the times I've kind of despaired about this company it's always been despair with nowhere else to go.
00:32:50
Speaker
It's like a shitty fucking relationship that you're trying to get out of and you're trying to find the perfect like whatever to convince yourself like I'm done this time. But this time I legitimately have another option. And it's it's gotten so bad that I don't even feel guilty about not watching NXT. Well you what I was really getting ready to say was
00:33:13
Speaker
after all the sports stuff and i started thinking and realizing they don't they don't know me they don't know what i want to watch or they're just trying to market to somebody who isn't me which is also fine i don't have to watch this but they still have that thing where they're like hey garret keithley and donovan diejack or uh
00:33:32
Speaker
or headlining over on NXT. Remember when you jizzed your pants over them a couple of years ago? Well, we got it over here. Do you wanna watch it? I actually did not tune in tonight. That being said, I'm gonna fucking tune in and watch that match later. But I decided that I wanted to give AEW my full attention. I wanted to sit there and enjoy it.
00:33:53
Speaker
They deserve it too. And I think there is something on, maybe it's on a subconscious level. It's because I know that they moved NXT from the network to USA to respond to AEW. There's something about it, and somebody made the great point the other day, all NXT is doing is they are being a borderline bulletproof vest.
00:34:17
Speaker
for WWE to take the heat off of the fact that AEW is better than Raw and SmackDown. That's all it is. They can throw up and say, well, look, do we have our superior product on Wednesday nights? Why aren't you watching that? Look at how good it is. Isn't this what you want? Meanwhile, they don't have to change a single fucking thing on Mondays and Fridays.
00:34:39
Speaker
Because now they have, I mean, you know fucking Paul's gonna make that argument at some point and be like, people liked it when it was on the network, why aren't you guys watching now? And to be fair, people are watching. It is doing a number. I think that I would be shocked if I found out that for the third week in a row, AEW didn't spank in XT though. And that's the show, that's WWE's pro wrestling show.
00:35:08
Speaker
When I had it on for just a second at the very beginning, and I saw that NXT opened with Champa, and it was kinda hard for me to be like, I don't wanna give this my full attention right now. But then all I could think about was when they showed me Tyson Fury on TV, and I didn't know who that was, how left out I fell to my own show.
00:35:36
Speaker
I feel like you and I pay a hell of a lot of attention to a lot of different wrestling, and when a face pops up that I don't know, it gives me anxiety. I'm like, who the fuck is this tall man? Am I supposed to know this tall man? I think we both felt the same way on Friday Night Smackdown that first week, where there were two guys that showed up that I was like, what? Who? What?
00:36:01
Speaker
What is this? It's like you, a friend that's been a great friend for you for years comes over to the house and brings some new friends. And you realize, oh man, I'm not very excited to hang out with these friends, but it seems like they're gonna be here. Their friends are not exactly my taste. Like we're friends, but their friends are not my friends. Like the friends that are coming in, it's like, well, their friends are the ones that make fun of me for my friends.
00:36:28
Speaker
I want you to join in with me, at least for a moment, talk to me about that specifically. What is it like with them bringing in the outside athletes that's just like, the thing about it is you've been making jokes about this for weeks now, just about bringing in sports people because they're on Fox. Fuck.
00:36:56
Speaker
I just lost my full train of thought. God damn. Well, because here's the thing, I made this point. Somebody had posted, again, on this wonderful podcast we have, I'm gonna reference an anonymous tweet and I can't even remember the name. Somebody was like, don't act like you don't know who Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez are. You guys live under a rock if you don't know who the fuck they are. And I fucking quote tweeted that motherfucker and I was like, look, I keep up with the sports world somewhat.
00:37:21
Speaker
Like, more than I would argue that I keep up with the sports world more than the average wrestling fan. Would that be fair to say, Garrett? I think that's pretty accurate.
00:37:32
Speaker
I had no fucking clue who either of those guys were when they showed up on my TV. So at best they are B-list or C-list sports stars. This is not Mike Tyson. It's not Floyd Mayweather. It's not Conor McGregor. Don't. There's some crossover there. I get it. If you're really into boxing and boxing is not as big as it used to be.
00:37:56
Speaker
You like, oh shit, Tyson Fury's doing WWE shit now? Let's go watch this goofy shit. And how it's nothing, like the people that they're trying to bring in are definitely not going to like what they see. Like when they see Tyson Fury fighting the Fiend, how's that gonna sit with him?
00:38:14
Speaker
I don't think that them seeing Tyson Fury fight Braun Strowman's gonna sit with them at all. Because they're not gonna tune in. And that's what they're actually... Because it's not fucking real. It's the primary reason. And it's happening at noon on a Thursday.
00:38:45
Speaker
Why do they think that that's the part that we're attached to? Like, I mean, we're watching something that is essentially comic books mixed with sports.
00:38:55
Speaker
Because, here's the thing, because in some ways it has worked in the past. It worked with Ronda Rousey. It worked with Mike Tyson. This isn't that. And it shouldn't, it shouldn't be the main selling point of a show. That's the other thing in all this we're not even talking about. Who gives a shit about another Saudi Arabia show?
00:39:19
Speaker
Like, I can almost guarantee you that the reason Bischoff got fired was because they lost 1.1 million viewers between week one and week two of SmackDown, and the Fox executives probably asked Vince McMahon what the fuck happened, and rather than admit, uh, my audience really doesn't care about Tyson Fury and Cain Velasquez,
00:39:39
Speaker
or the way that we had, you know, our fucking WWE champion get jobbed out to a part-timing former UFC guy that they're already fed up with. Let's just make Bish off the scapegoat. I think that's what I think happened. Isn't Fox just as much at fault for this for not fucking checking? Like if they had asked any number of wrestling fans, wouldn't they know that
00:40:04
Speaker
most think this sucks? You know how this shit works because we've made it clear that we've watched this shit for a long time and keep coming back for more. The rumor going into the SmackDown premiere for months was that Fox wanted a show that was more athletic and more geared towards being a real sport.
00:40:27
Speaker
I thought they meant New Japan. That's I thought they meant NXT New Japan. You know, Vince McMahon heard that and thought, oh, they want us to bring in athletes from outside. Fuck. I didn't even think about that. He don't use don't. That is exactly how he would misinterpret shit. God damn it, Derek. God damn it. You're right.
00:40:47
Speaker
You're right. He heard the exact wrong... honest to God, I really thought we were going to get New Japan Smackdown. And you're making me realize that he's like, well, we just need cameos from real athletes. So this week, we got a fucking tag team and you have to tag with Jeff Gordon. NASCAR on Fox, suck my dick.
00:41:10
Speaker
It's Bryce Harper, Bryce Harper and Jeff Gordon taking on. Oh, by the way, the Usos didn't get drafted. They're keeping them off TV because of all the personal shit with the DUIs and Naomi and all that stuff. What did Naomi do? I think that she's had enough and is kind of stressed out about it. I mean, I can only speculate because they're not saying anything, but she's not on TV either.
00:41:33
Speaker
And Mike Kanellis has asked for his release again. Mike, after just signing an extension, like a three-year extension, now he wants out. And the funny thing is, and I support Mike Kanellis fully, I support anybody who has the balls to say, I want out.
00:41:49
Speaker
I really do. That said, this motherfucker was on social media, quote tweeting and replying and engaging fans who were asking him, what the fuck are you doing? They're there. You're not going to go anywhere here. They're not going to use you. And he was doing his positive spin shit like you don't know, man, like like I need financial security or like you like opportunities here. I got to put in the effort. And then here he is a little while later going, yeah, that's not happening.
00:42:18
Speaker
Do you think after he signed that contract and he was like, oh shit, yeah, something good's happened today, and he goes into Vince's office and it's like, what's the story? And he's like, well, listen here, Mike. You're a fucking loser. That's the story. You are a loser and people are gonna pity you. And yeah, you make that joke, but that actually...
00:42:44
Speaker
Sounds probably about what happened. He's like, don't, don't, no, no, no, no. I know your face looks sad. Your face looks sad right now. But let me tell you one more thing. This might put it over the edge for you. Also, your cum doesn't work. And somebody got your wife pregnant. How does that feel? How does that feel? Does that feel? I own you. I own you, Kanellis.
00:43:11
Speaker
And again, the rumor out there is that the morale backstage has never been lowered. And we've heard many reports over the last couple of years that the morale has been low. So that says something. What was that, Lashley? Now your cum doesn't work. And your cum doesn't work. It's just the whole story.
00:43:30
Speaker
It's just a whole story you come in and come Luke Harper. Go you're on thin ice, bud Jizz your come works. We get it. We get it. We
Humor and Episode Title Jokes
00:43:40
Speaker
can't take that away. We will never take I don't think you can name this episode your cum doesn't work So don't don't try I don't know if The sites that let you upload this podcast will let you put the word cum in the in the title
00:43:57
Speaker
But what do I know? I'm just a guy ranting and raving about WWE. Bischoff, you're fired. And guess what? Your cum doesn't even work. The thing is, I do feel like regardless, like I said, we'll find out some more details down the road, I'm sure. He moved his whole family. He had a ranch in Cody, Wyoming.
00:44:21
Speaker
Gorgeous, spent all his money, put his life there and then got the offer from WWE and sold all of that. He sold it and moved across the country moving all of his shit in a big long drive. And then four months later, Vince was like, nah, go home, your cum doesn't work.
00:44:48
Speaker
I'm just picturing Mike Kanellis sulking back to impact and Don Callis putting his arms out to give him a hug and just saying, your cum works, buddy. Your cum works just fine. Put it to you this way. Put it to you this way. It's been so bad for Mike Bennett that Jim Cornette had a post the other day defending him and saying he should sue WWE for creative damages.
00:45:19
Speaker
Well, goddamn, they went on there and all I know about the goddamn guys that has come don't work.
00:45:27
Speaker
We don't have to talk about this anymore. I think I've got most of it out. I just, I think nothing's ever for sure, but like I have no motivation to watch WWE right now. I really don't, and I don't feel guilty about it. I literally just feel emotionally exhausted. I don't think betrayed is the right word because again, I've been down this road so many times before I'm just, I'm, I'm pissed and I know they can do better. And the idea that this fucking guy who just got this billion dollar deal with Fox for his show,
00:45:58
Speaker
Hasn't learned shit. Wait, why do you think you know that they can do better? Because again, oh no, let me clarify what I mean. Like if Vince isn't there, I know they can do better. I have honestly like, I don't have hope for them.
00:46:19
Speaker
How many shows have I been to? Do you understand what I mean when I'm saying that, like, I think they can be better without Vince? Oh, yes. No, I don't disagree with that. No, no, no. I totally get that. It's just how much can they fuck this company up? And how like I think they've hit the breaking point for you. I didn't know if we'd ever get here, Derek. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know that we would get here either. And it's a lot of stars have aligned to make this possible.
00:46:48
Speaker
Three weeks of AEW has convinced me that, I would rather watch Darby Allen every night do skateboard shit before I would tune in to see fucking Bobby Lashley in a significant role on a show in WWE. Okay, go ahead. And you know what? Since you mentioned Darby, put Darby over. How fucking good was the main event of that AEW show?
AEW Storytelling and Match Analysis
00:47:11
Speaker
Darby Allen's cum works, let me tell you.
00:47:17
Speaker
This is a new thing that we have found. I honestly got week three AEW. The show just keeps on rolling. I mean, I thought that match between Britt Baker and Rio was fan fucking tastic. They finally sold me on Rio for sure.
00:47:37
Speaker
Did they? Were you skeptical? I wasn't skeptical, but I just still needed that thing to kind of see a little more character come out of her, to kind of see what it was. And the moment that I was like, oh, Rio, me and you, me and you, we're a team now, was when she gave Britt Baker a double stomp to the stomach. It looked
00:47:57
Speaker
gross. It looked like it hurt so bad. And then she put her hands over her mouth and giggled after she did it. And I was like, that's the creepiest shit I've ever seen. That's my girl. I thought that the knees and the double stomp and then I thought the spot where she was getting covered and she did that like bridge slide out from under Britt Baker was wicked. Yeah. Okay. How do you think Britt Baker is looking?
00:48:23
Speaker
We're going to get more character development next week because they have a spot on the show reserved for the fact that Britt Baker's in her hometown of Pittsburgh. So I think she looks fantastic. See, I actually think they need to get the belt off Rio quickly and get it to Britt Baker and Britt Baker needs to go full fledged heel. I don't think Britt Baker is ring ready enough to be the champion.
00:48:51
Speaker
I disagree. I don't know, there were a couple- Especially if she's a heel. There were just a few things that I thought looked like a little too sloppy. Do you know that that was on her though?
00:49:02
Speaker
Some of it to me looked like it was. It was kind of like, I don't know. I would have to go back and watch again. I didn't see anything that was alarming. I thought she was fine. I was getting like some Brandy Rhodes a year ago vibes. Maybe I didn't see anything too alarming. Maybe she's not completely polished yet, but again, storytelling purposes.
00:49:24
Speaker
She's like one of the bigger names on that and that women's division and It's difficult if they're gonna keep the we don't know what they're gonna do I'm not even gonna speculate because AEW has established that they'll pull the rug out from under you at a given moment I just think that they're prepared to give Jericho a nice long ring with the title and They're about to crown new tag team champions. I could see that women's belt not staying on on Rio for very long. I
00:49:50
Speaker
Um, we'll see. We also haven't gotten a ton of character development from the women's division or any of the divisions yet. Like everything we know about these characters for the most part has just been in ring. Correct. So, correct. And some of that's good too because it is different than what WWE does.
00:50:08
Speaker
Like tonight, the show opened with another hot tag match just like last week. Good God, man, that tag match to open the show was so good. With storytelling, the fact that they opened the match with SCU getting jumped by the Lucha Brothers and taking out Christopher Daniels and then having Scorpio Sky replace Christopher Daniels, but in fucking pants and one shoe and one sock.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah, oh man, I was so excited for Scorpio Sky. He looked so good coming out there tonight. And then immediately when I realized they were fighting best friends, I was no longer excited because I knew what that meant for Chuck Taylor.
00:50:52
Speaker
You felt bad? Well, immediately, I was just like, oh, man, Scorpio Sky looks like the fucking man. If he if they win this match, he's going to look cool as shit. And then when I realized, oh, no, best friends. Yeah, you're probably going to take this one. But to be fair, I thought everyone in this match looked like a superstar. Oh, my God. They everybody got everyone over in this match.
00:51:13
Speaker
like there was a moment where Scorpio Skye was getting cheered so much and then just a few seconds later he was getting booed because he broke up the hug right and there was i think yeah the fan engagement into AEW is kind of what makes it such a good show
00:51:30
Speaker
They're hot for every character on that show or at least most of them to this point I've been iffy on best friends and whether or not I thought they would actually work as it as like a tag team Not because they didn't work on the end, but this like would people care? Like would they be able to be stars as a tag team in AEW and I that solidified it for me tonight They're gonna be just fine especially if they've got some nice storyline shit to work with backstage with Orange Cassidy and
00:51:58
Speaker
Which they're gonna be just fine. When are we gonna start working him into this too? Do you think they're gonna really hold out for us on that one? Take, take your time. Cassidy's still working the indies, he's still getting paid. And it does make me happy to tune in every week and see a kid dressed up as Little Orange Cassidy sitting ringside. Yeah, it's gonna be fun finding out who the normal ringside regulars are gonna be. Yeah.
00:52:24
Speaker
they are uh i think in december they're working champagne illinois yeah it was there was a moment when dr started talking about uh u of i u of i football and i was like cut it out man this is what got me to turn off the other one
00:52:41
Speaker
I found a way to work that sports talk back at the AEW. My favorite line from the SCU match is Chuck and Trent did a move and Excalibur shouted, the sexy chucky knee. And Tony Schiavone goes, that move is called the sexy chucky knee. Excalibur responds, yes. Tony just goes, yikes.
00:53:12
Speaker
I will say and I'll get this out of the way now because I want to stay on the positives and it didn't seem to affect you. But if I'm gonna be so hard on WWE, I guess I'll throw my one criticism. This was a very tag match heavy show, which is a WWE signature that sometimes rubs me the wrong way. But I think the thing that negates that being a really big issue is the fact that I think all the tag matches were great.
00:53:38
Speaker
Garrett steps in and wrongs Derek the Rubway. And his cum works. In a world filled with cum.
00:54:00
Speaker
This podcast, I blame Vince for this. One man comes no more. Mike Kanellis stars as... Cucked. He's coming. He's not.
00:54:24
Speaker
It's sassy, it's fun. So I feel like you didn't make as big a deal with this as I did, but I texted you. That tag match between Moxley and Pac and then Hangman and Kenny was so much fun for multiple reasons. I really thought it showed off their star power.
00:54:45
Speaker
that match, and it was kind of cool also, and I think they touched on this on the broadcast team when they were talking about the Elite. They were like, you know, Hangman and Kenny are both Elite, but they don't typically team together. It's a pairing you haven't really seen up to this point. Dude, they looked good. They really, really did. There were some tag team moves they did together where they were just, they were so in sync that I could definitely see them being a team at some point.
00:55:15
Speaker
I also thought that for a little while they made it seem like, you know, mocks and pock were getting along like they could work like they had chemistry together and I thought they did a damn good job by the time they fucking had that showdown with Kenny with the barbed wire at Broome and
00:55:37
Speaker
mocks with the barbed wire wrapped bat and they meet in the ring. By the way, uh, Pac runs in the ring to stop mocks from hitting Kenny with the bat because he doesn't want the DQ because think about it wins and losses matters. Yeah. Pac was undefeated going into this. That's true. Does that and did he, he took the pin. He took the pin. Oh shit.
00:56:02
Speaker
It means something here, Garrett. And I crazy that you don't want to lose. We watched a man on TNT give two middle fingers to another wrestler and then hit him with the with the death death writer. I wanted to say Knight Rider. Is the deed shit? What do they call that thing now? Because they god damn it. The paradigm shift.
00:56:26
Speaker
Yes, correct. God damn, it's had three different names, so. Well, the only reason I remember that is before AEW came on, I watched the Janela Kenny match and in that Janela Kenny match towards the end of it, Kenny starts doing Moxley. Moxley's moveset. Yeah. And God damn.
00:56:49
Speaker
Dude, I just saw those two dumping each other on their necks and onto weapons. That match was beating the shit out of each other. They had a 30-minute hardcore dark match. What the fuck are they doing over there? Like, that was the main event for an arena, and it was truly a main event. Like, those people saw something special, and I like that... I mean, I've never seen Kenny in a hardcore match.
00:57:17
Speaker
Prior to this, and seeing him take table spots, Kenny took every table that he fell through upside down so he was landing on the metal.
00:57:29
Speaker
That's nasty. They were both awesome. You can't sit here and lie to me and tell me it doesn't make you nervous that Kenny Omega's career could end in a dark match, essentially. I'm more worried, honestly, about Joey Janela. The guy can wrestle really well. And when I heard he was wrestling Kenny, I thought, oh, shit, they're going to actually give him, like, since it's on this dark thing, maybe they'll let him have a regular wrestling match and show that he can hang with Kenny Omega.
00:57:55
Speaker
But it was a hardcore match again, and I wonder how sad that's starting to make Janela, because they're gonna fucking kill that guy before he gets a chance to be famous. Do you think he's really sad when those paychecks are clearing? It doesn't sound like he even cashes any of them. He's talked about that for years now that he just throws all these paychecks in a drawer and doesn't cash anything.
00:58:18
Speaker
Well, that's stupid. Like, put it this way. I mean, over the weekend, I don't believe that. First of all, how's he getting around the country if he's not making money? He is making money. He just like keeps it in a drawer. He doesn't have a bank account. He lives with his mom. Like, you know, not paying him in cash, Garrett. Like if they're checks, they like he can't just keep him in a drawer. I mean, he should at least get a bank account so he can scan that and put it in his phone.
00:58:40
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree. If he's sad, it's almost his own fault. If you get a nice $8,000 fucking check from AEW, but fucking deposit that bitch. Seriously, though, with the... Yes, I agree with that, but with this match, though, I really do recommend hopping on YouTube and watching this. So far, the first two episodes of AEW Dark have been awesome. It doesn't feel like a B-show or anything. It just is more.
00:59:08
Speaker
And the matches are the same quality. This was an amazing 30 minute hardcore match where at one point they got the steps out. Kenny was going to give Joey the one winged angel onto the steel steps. Joey fell off of him like onto the, you know, kind of behind him. And as he landed on the steps, pulled Kenny down to the floor in a German suplex.
00:59:35
Speaker
He gave Kenny a German into the corner on a ladder. Kenny gave Joey a snap dragon on the apron. At one point when Kenny did like the, you know, the Terminator flip, like the, does a flip, fucking got his legs wrapped around the barricade, landed all weird, was bleeding out of his wrist. It was gross. These two put on a match that these people were very lucky to see that was for some reason a dark match.
01:00:06
Speaker
Well, they gotta have the post-show thing for the house. Like, why not? Other than the fact that your top star, one of your top stars can get his career into a hardcore match, but hey! Hey! Say lovey! Whatever. Did you see that amazing fucking video package they put together for Cody? Holy shit, it was fucking cinematic!
01:00:27
Speaker
It was absolutely cinematic. Like, we're getting the Avengers of fucking wrestling right now. We're getting production value. It felt like I was watching a real TV show.
01:00:40
Speaker
You called this a long time ago when they were hyping up that match between Cody and Dustin at Double or Nothing and you said is this how AEW promos are going to be or is this how Cody promos are going to be where they basically make it cinematic and make it a big deal and give it good production value.
01:01:00
Speaker
And this had a score, Garrett. It had dramatic piano music. And none of it was produced by... What was the dollar sign, guys?
01:01:12
Speaker
CFO dollars or I'm sorry CFOs I thought that was uh fantastic and uh I guess let's talk about that main event since we talked about earlier Darby Allen and Jericho um I thought they put on a hell of a show together did he start to win you over a little more because
01:01:32
Speaker
Jesus Christ, that was, I mean, I don't think any of us thought Darby was walking out of there winning, but they did a good job of, you know, as the match went on, we're like, holy fuck, they could swerve me at any point.
01:01:46
Speaker
I think I was like, first of all, as in relation to in respect to whether or not he's winning me over my position holds firm. I'm glad he's on that show to hold down a demographic that is fucking into Darby Allen. I think he's a fine character. I think he's good at right. He's I think he's when I was watching him and Jericho work.
01:02:07
Speaker
There were times where he was so amped up to throw, throw fists and fucking like there. I could see Jericho getting annoyed at him wanting to work a super, super fast pace and Jericho having to grab and be like, dude, I'm in like fucking late forties. Slow down.
01:02:23
Speaker
I know the exact moment you're talking about. He had him in the corner and it looked like he was just punching him straight in the face and Jericho just spun him around and threw him in the corner and you could tell there was a like, cool it. I'm old now, man. I'm the champ, but you just punched me in the face. But also pacing. We started this match hot. We can't just be hot the whole fucking time. See, the one thing that I really respect about AEW is their ability
01:02:53
Speaker
to really follow the rules of a Philly street fight and make sure that those rope breaks happen. I was waiting to bring that up. Is that the way that works? That is the only thing I can make up in my head that they could say to make up why there were rope breaks and that. Like you said, we got to be fair to both of them. We would have bitched at WWE about it too. Well, no, I'm being dead serious in that.
01:03:19
Speaker
There are little intricate details in these different kinds of matches that escape me sometimes. For instance, they call certain matches no disqualification. They call certain matches no holds barred. They called certain matches hardcore matches. They call certain matches street fights.
01:03:40
Speaker
And the same company will use all of those terms to describe what is basically like what appears to on the surface always be a no disqualification match. But I do think there are some intricacies like details that do matter into relation to that. Now I've also seen WWE just not give a shit so many times where they're in a hell on a cell and for some reason the ropes still get you a break.
01:04:06
Speaker
but it's I guess I don't know I get that it's a storytelling technique involving the ropes but you're right it is confusing that all of a sudden you're like in a match where you're assuming there's no way the ref can like what's the ref gonna do disqualify you because you're in the middle of a street fight and you wouldn't adhere to the the rules of the ropes
01:04:27
Speaker
And just after he got his hands duct taped behind his back He took so many things that I was worried he was gonna break his arms doing yeah I was worried about that especially the dive on the outside Where he landed like with his hands on the steel great ramp Jesus he basically didn't he did a flip out of the middle rope
01:04:49
Speaker
I don't know, I thought it was a good match and you're right. And Jericho, to his credit, did a good job of kicking out on so many of Darby's move at the last possible second that there was the mark in you, or the smark in you, I guess, that was thinking, what if Jericho just doesn't kick out? It's like on accident. And Darby on national television becomes the EW champion because of a botch.
01:05:13
Speaker
There was a moment where one of those kickouts, JR, it sounded like he shit himself a little bit where he thought that Darby was like, oh! I had asked you this other day when you were talking about JR's reaction to Darby, which is that, do you think, because you said it helps having him around week in, week out, because he gets to know the talent, know their moveset, know how to put them over, talk about them.
01:05:42
Speaker
Do you think that every week he gets more and more won over by this style of wrestling as opposed to what he used to do? I do like hearing him justify things.
01:05:54
Speaker
Or hearing like the way Excalibur can spend the way something happened to make it make more sense. And I feel like when that's happening, it is making the world make a little more sense to him. Or maybe he's just, he likes the paycheck and he'll deal with it. But, but I also, I think that cuts both ways too, which is that he's, he's good at making that world tie together. Yeah.
01:06:20
Speaker
I have enjoyed, I've enjoyed the commentary team so far. I can tell that it really is like Excalibur is, you know, the younger guy that's, and he knows the name of every goddamn move ever made. But there are times that he's having to fill both of them in on certain things that are either more current or just some of the things these wrestlers are doing. But maybe that's why they put them with him. I think I 100% think that's what it is. But yeah, I think the more that they watch it, I think Jim Ross will be
01:06:51
Speaker
He'll get better with it, too. And I also think they're helping him in turn because he's working with two veteran pro wrestling play-by-play announcers.
AEW Commentary and Presentation Praise
01:07:00
Speaker
I mean, absolutely. If you were gonna sit under the learning tree of two people, those would be the two you'd pick, right? Oh, he has to be so fucking excited that that's who he's sitting between.
01:07:10
Speaker
Well, I said it before, I'm in love with the broadcast team. I mean, the only thing that comes close in WWE would be NXT. And I'm not gonna say a damn thing about Mauro Ranallo because I think he's fantastic. Not everybody's cup of tea, but- There was even a Mama Mia chant tonight.
01:07:32
Speaker
Um, so yeah, AEW is my show and I told you this last week and you had, what was the question you asked? Like if I had to ride with one brand, if you could, yeah, if you could only watch one wrestling promotion at this point, you just, you were going to cut everything out but one, which would you stick with?
01:07:49
Speaker
I'm taking AEW. I said it last week. I'm sticking with it this week and there's no reason to check in with me every week until I say otherwise. Well, I thought you were asking me to repeat what I said last week. I didn't know it was going to get scolded. No, no, no. No, I wasn't trying to scold you. I'm just saying that like I I'm doubling down on what I said, especially in lieu of all the WWE fuck ups in the last week. Like it's just validation. And I and I the thing that sucks is that there's people in WWE. I do have a desire to tune in just to see
01:08:19
Speaker
like it's like I'm sure I'm gonna want to watch raw occasionally to see KO I'm sure I'm gonna want to see like Finn Balor I'm sure I'm gonna want to see you know AJ Styles at some point but
01:08:36
Speaker
I just, I'm so burnt out with being treated like an idiot. I'm so burnt out with just the way they do things and just their, they, they don't change and they don't learn. And they had an opportunity to do something different with this Fox move and they fucking, they fucked it up. So where are you at with this? And I'm not offended. However, you answer this, you and I have tickets to survivor series. Do you still want to go?
01:09:05
Speaker
Right now I don't give a shit. Like I would have fun going and watching wrestling with you.
01:09:12
Speaker
But I, like, I still need to check off, you know, another, I have two more big fours and I've got to do it. Just, you know, just for bucket list shit. But I'm not like super stoked. That being said, they've got plenty of time to fix it. What, like a month? No, they don't have plenty of time to fix it. They're not going to fix it. I'm looking forward to NXT.
01:09:37
Speaker
I think NXT will be, like I mean, no reason to think that they won't put on a good show. They consistently do. Do I care about Survivor Series? Especially in lieu of the fact that they just fucking did the draft and they're gonna do another brand versus brand, Raw versus SmackDown thing.
01:09:56
Speaker
I don't care, Garrett. I think that's where I'm at. And I'm sure that there's a possibility something could draw me back in at some point. That's why I'm not making any promises on anything, but it's like right now, I've never felt as just disillusioned and I don't feel like I need them. I don't need them anymore for pro wrestling. Oh my God, Corey and Tanya Harding has broken Nancy Kerrigan's leg. And get me the fuck out of here, Garrett. No, no, no, I gotta, Derek, Derek.
01:10:25
Speaker
I am gonna tell you something that's gonna shock you a little bit. I know we're late into this. I watched some other wrestling this week. Let me go ahead and just say, GCW is no sleep, lot of fun, great show, keep watching GCW. The show that I watched on Tuesday though, this might shock you, I tuned into NWA Power, Derek, on Facebook Live.
01:10:49
Speaker
Yeah I've been hearing people talk about that on the social media a little bit. Derek it was really good. Oh was it? The presentation because I'd only been to those NWA shows I hadn't actually watched one. The way they present that show
01:11:05
Speaker
I love it. The way that it has kind of that 80s pro wrestling feel, it has the feeling of waking up and watching that like Saturday morning wrestling that I remember when we were kids. It felt really good. It looked good. It looked like the first episode.
NWA Power Nostalgia and Future Plans
01:11:20
Speaker
I remember I've given a fair amount of shit to Tim Storm because I saw him wrestle with David Arquette on that team and wherever the hell I was. And then I...
01:11:30
Speaker
You've been giving Nick all this a lot of shit. They had a match where this was Tim Storm's final title defense. If he did not win, he would never get another shot. They had, I don't know if it was just the video package. It was a great story. And the presentation of it is fucking awesome. I did skip through a couple matches, but that being said, everything in between, just the overall presentation, I totally get the nostalgia thing they're going for now, and it does work.
01:11:59
Speaker
I've seen a lot of people saying that it's totally worth watching that was fantastic. I've heard the presentation was good. I've heard that already. This is on Facebook Live, and when can you watch this? It's on every Tuesday now. And it's free. You can rewatch the episodes anytime on there. So now Tuesdays, we have Impact, NWA, and AEW all putting shows out on the same day. Wow.
01:12:26
Speaker
We have wrestling nearly every day is the point is is that if you're like me and you're cutting some WWE out of your diet and you're still hungry for more wrestling, there's plenty of it out there for you. You know, yeah, yeah, you just you know, you change your diet a little bit. Just change it. You don't have to you don't have to fast. We're not asking you to fast. We're just asking you to eat different.
01:12:53
Speaker
Are we asking them to, or are we just saying you could? I don't know. You could do it if you wanted to. Hey, you know what? Why go somewhere where the cum don't work? Go where the cum works. Does the cum work here still? Is it still working at predetermined pro wrestling hangout? Debatable. They should let us know. Yeah, let us know. Hop on the social media. Follow us at predetermined podcast on Instagram, at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook and Twitter. I am at Gartet on social media. Derek is at Halloween helping.
01:13:24
Speaker
Garrett, we got any shows coming up? You mean like things were attending? Yeah, are you going to any sub shows soon? Shit, I missed the last one. That was last weekend and our buddy Garrett wrestled again. And I saw that he has four matches coming up this week.
01:13:41
Speaker
Well, shit, man. So he's fucking out there. How are you going to have Garrett back on the show? Yeah, I need to get him back on here soon to just talk about life as a pro wrestler, because he's just fucking doing it now. I think that would make for a good episode, too. We need to make that happen. And then let's see. We've got Wombat and GCW both coming back to the Nashville area. I will be attending both of those. I've got AEW coming Wednesday night. Dynamite's coming to Nashville next month, and it's also coming to Chicago next month.
01:14:09
Speaker
That's true. I'm going to try, my work schedule now is so on again, off again. Like I work every other weekend and I have some days off during the week, so you have to see what I'll be able to make. I do know that freelance wrestling is doing a Halloween themed show next week. A couple of your favorite wrestlers are there. Shit, who's there? Is Alex Zane back on that one?
01:14:32
Speaker
Maybe, I think Deppin's there. Ah, goddamn. Oh, speaking of that GCW show, yes, this is the match to check out from No Sleep. This is what sold me the pay-per-view this month. It was Alex Zane versus Zachary Wentz from The Rascals. Holy shit, that is just two flippy guys that work real well together. I am so excited for Alex Zane to be the biggest wrestler in the world.
01:15:02
Speaker
I love that at the end of our episodes, we just scraped together the pro wrestling crumbs of the world and just kind of throw them on at the end of the episode. Like, here, check all this shit out, too. We've been meaning to talk about this. What's fun? I mean, you're ranted for 40 minutes about something that sucks. You should be out there watching GCW, man. They're doing the big work. Garrett, there's a lot going on right now. I got real sports to watch. Derek.
01:15:27
Speaker
As I could just watch WWE and then get my fill of real sports, but no sleep was Nick Gage's 666 day as champion. And that's significant because it's the sign of the beast. It is the sign of the beast and fucking Ricky Shane Page cut a promo on him in front of the Tokyo Dome holding his belt. He's got a he's pissed.
01:15:51
Speaker
God bless Nick Gage. God bless Nick Gage. He's going to be at AAW soon fighting Mance Warner. Holy shit. Hey, you know, I got to edit this. It is 1035 p.m. And I want you to have this show around midnight ish. So I should probably get to editing. But you know what? So for the first time today, can we say it? I hope your come works. Wait, say what? And hit our goddamn music.