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Episode 74 - Local Lagers
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This week we welcome Danny aka Hip Hops to his Malting Hour hosting duties. To kick off his first show, Dan has hand selected three local lagers from Metropolitan, Dovetail and Goldfinger for us to sip on and discuss.
Theme music provided by Myke Kelli (@mykekelli)
Outro and break music provided by @FluidMinds
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Transcript
No Edits Policy & Episode Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
No, sorry, I didn't even mean empanada. What? What did I mean? We're going to say tamale. Yes. I did not mean empanada at all. Cut that. I'm not cutting shit, Dan. Welcome to your first episode and getting to find out that Tony doesn't make any edits, as you pointed out. This week, we discuss local loggers with the new Clark Dan, a.k.a. hip-hop's. This is episode 74 of The Malting Hour. What's the Haps on the Hops? Guy, use that space.
00:00:25
Speaker
This the molten hour where we talk about our drink And tell you what we think, every other week And if we get drunk, well we might slur our speech Got the gift of ab, the friends who wish you had Join us for a drink, join us for a laugh Time is never wasted, wait you're getting wasted The molten hour here, people, people taking places People, people taking places People, people taking places
00:00:49
Speaker
We know what were you going to say, Brandon? What were you going to say? No, it was just... I didn't know if the fate actually worked. It did. It did. But then it was like, that was kind of a prop. No, it was fine. I was literally about to start
New Co-host Introduction and Transition
00:01:05
Speaker
talking. I was going to say, we know what two teams now are in the Super Bowl. Welcome to the NFL podcast. It's not true. We do know. Well, no. By the time this episode comes out, yeah, we know.
00:01:17
Speaker
I don't know who's winning the other game right now. I just told you. Oh geez. Welcome, welcome to the Molting Hour. Let's start this over. Welcome to the Molting Hour. I am one of your hosts, Tony Gohler, joined Always With. Brandon Winningcher? And making his co-host debut. Well, hold on, before I get to that. As some of you may or may not noticed, we kept making mention that Clark wasn't gonna be around. Well,
00:01:42
Speaker
It's true. Clark's not going to be around all the time. We murdered him. Oh my God. Great. Now it's recorded that you murdered him and you included me in that Brandon. Thanks a lot. But Clark, Clark is, um, it's pretty busy being a, being a dad and.
00:01:59
Speaker
You know, all three of us are dads. I don't make Clark so freaking special. He's got a lot on his plate. I'm just joking. But Clark did want to take some time off. He will be back. So naturally, we needed to fill in the void of Clark being the void. And what better way to fill the void than with someone who might actually bring something to the table, someone who might actually have some knowledge when it comes to beer, someone
00:02:28
Speaker
who we at least respect. And I'm talking about none other than hip-hop's himself. Hip-hop's himself. Can we start this over? I kind of just want to start the whole thing over. Just want to start the whole fucking episode over. Dan, introduce yourself. What's up everybody? It's Danny with hip-hop's. And the multi-hour now. And the multi-hour now. I got to add that to my Instabio.
00:02:56
Speaker
And it is a little weird not being called a special guest anymore. You're not, man. You're not official. You're no longer special. Sorry, man. Just normal. And it's funny. So your intro just answered a question for me like, are you OK with people calling you Danny? Yeah. I mean, that's what most people do call me. I call you Dan. You're in my phone as Daniel Hip-Hop.
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah. And then my buddies, Tony, who you met, they call me OD because there's another Daniel. And so OD is other Daniel. I think we talked about there being another Daniel, but we didn't know about the OD thing. Yeah. I think I knew about that. I think I knew about that when I met the other guy. This is like the spider verse when we hung out.
00:03:34
Speaker
I went very, I go very official on my phone. Everybody goes by the phone name. It's Anthony, Michael, like Parkowski, Fuga Hawitz, like Daniel, like Patrick. I don't know why I ever started doing that. And then like when I refer to people, except for Tony, like most people I'm like, I use like full names. Like I don't use abbreviations. And then like, I think,
00:04:01
Speaker
Tony sent a text and it's a Danny. I was like, Oh man, Tony saying Danny. It's funny. My wife has me in the phone as Anthony and her phone as Anthony. She never calls me Anthony. Yeah. Mike says Anthony do not answer.
00:04:16
Speaker
or reply to text. Yeah, that's perfect. Well, anyways, Dan, thanks for, you know, becoming a part of the show, man. How does it feel? How does it feel to have another obligation other than your own, you know, social media, beer and vinyl pairing?
00:04:34
Speaker
Feels good. I mean, I always wanted to be able to hang out with you guys. And with the pandemic and everything, this is a good way for us to make it happen. Well, it's funny because, you know, we're starting off this year much like we did last year, almost, which is not in person. We are doing this via Zoom. Thank you guys for doing that.
00:04:54
Speaker
Uh, for the first time I had to, uh, keep changing plans because of a young child. So I just thought this made more sense. So I appreciate you guys switching it to this evening. And next time we do a show, you know, uh, we'll be in person. So we will be hanging out more. That's, that's cool. We got that. We got, we got some big shows planned.
00:05:14
Speaker
We tell somebody, this guy fucking knows what he's talking about. There was a listener being like, I want to hang out with those guys. I'm like, and I mean, I listened back to some of our episodes. I'm like, I don't want to hang out with these guys. I don't even like us.
00:05:31
Speaker
So this leads us into this episode actually because the catalyst for this, we had an original idea and then again, we decided to opt to zoom.
Lager Discussion - Focus on Local Breweries
00:05:41
Speaker
And Daniel was nice enough. We threw out some ideas. He threw out some ideas and we kind of latched on to some loggers. So Daniel was nice enough to do some shopping. Did you go to bottles and cans?
00:05:54
Speaker
Bottles and cans. Yep. Bottles and cans and Edgebrook. Yes. Bottles and cans and Edgebrook. Some guy there. I still have your card and I will be reaching out so you can come onto the show.
00:06:06
Speaker
Is it the guy that has the podcast? No. But they actually offered us to do an episode at Puddles and Hands, too. So that would be cool. Access to beer right away. We're just going to build. That would be a fun show. Want to do it after the final pour with that $400? Let's do it.
00:06:26
Speaker
No, we could do is like, I don't know, like, make a game of it, like a supermarket suite type deal, we're going to run and go grab a beer and we'll pay for everything. I'll call my buddy Gary, he can come in. There we go. It's the most obscure beer style. It's like, find the the Rauch beer. You know what, that would be
00:06:46
Speaker
I mean, there's an off mic, audio, audio, that would be crazy. But visually, that would be you'll realize most of our conversations are off my conversation. That's what the whole show is. The whole show is one giant off like there's sometimes where I listen, where I do. I lied. I do listen to most of our episodes. I go back and I'll throw it when I run out of my own podcast that I listen to.
00:07:08
Speaker
Not ones that I host, just this one. I go back, I'll listen to this. And there's some times I'm listening to something like, why the fuck didn't we cut this out? It's just this rambling about something, get to the drinks. But that's what we always said that this show was gonna be. And speaking of pandemic started.
00:07:23
Speaker
That's true. Well, because of us, we ruined everything. Well, didn't we do like, we went into movies, we like had a whole like, I read about that. Yeah. That was actually, that was actually when I first like really started talking to you guys. Cause you guys had the episode that went on forever about movies. And at the very end you were like, if you're still listening to this message, yes, with the word, whatever it was. Peanuts. Wasn't it peanuts? Yeah.
00:07:44
Speaker
The snack. I got the I got the swag bag. Oh, yeah, that's right. I thought we just gave it to you because we were nice. Guess not. You actually won that shit. That's good. Hey, look at this guy right there. Nice. And we all get coaster stickers. I'm sorry. We all we all have official multi hour stuff now by us. That's great. We're good. Let's get into the beer. So I don't have to go back. And this is like one of the first like 20 minutes of the show sucked. So, Dan, you went to bottles and cans, just clap your hands and got some loggers. Now, what?
00:08:14
Speaker
How did you choose these lagers? Now give us an idea of what made you choose these beers that we're going to drink tonight. So we decided kind of to do like a face-off type of thing where you're doing the lagers. I couldn't find all the same style of lagers, but I wanted to really focus on lager-centric breweries in Chicago, in the Chicagoland area. So that's kind of what my, really only a handful of breweries that do that. So I was just kind of looking for something from each of those breweries.
00:08:44
Speaker
We're, you know, we'll talk about that, nevermind. I was gonna say where's one particular brewery located, but we'll talk about that once we get to that. I have copious amounts of notes. Oh, man. Look at that. Whoa, man. Clark just brings his laptop. I'm glad you actually wrote this out. This guy's old school. Clark, we might not need you to ever come back, just so you know. I'm not here to replace Clark. It's the anti-Clark.
00:09:12
Speaker
All right, let's get into the first beer. What's the first beer that we're drinking, Dan? All right, so the first one we're going to do is Metropolitan's Heliostat, which is a Zwickl lager. And what is a Zwickl lager, Dan? Funny you should ask. A Zwickl lager is unfiltered and is meant to be drank fresh, which is where it gets its name from. The Zwickl is a valve on a
00:09:38
Speaker
I don't know, like a vessel that they would lager the beer in and the brewer would get to taste it. That's cool. I thought there was, I actually had no idea what his local beer is. I feel like a big dork for not knowing that.
00:09:51
Speaker
I should know. And it doesn't say, it doesn't say when it was canned on, but it does say Best Buy 422, which is my buddy Chris's birthday. So happy early birthday, Chris. We're drinking this beer for you. And actually that would mark my three year anniversary at my current job. Look at all those fun facts that no one's ever going to use. This beer smells like a lager. Yeah, it's definitely a light in color. It is hazy, but not in like a hazy IPA hazy. It's just not clear.
00:10:22
Speaker
This is not a knock to the beer. Going off smelling it, I'm definitely getting like, going back to my childhood, drinking beers, like a Budweiser M.G.D., like that kind of, you know, that smell that you recognize from, you know, beers that you grew up with, that's definitely, that's definitely
00:10:46
Speaker
like that standard, I don't wanna say standard, but very familiar lager smell. There's like that almost like grainy, serially, and then there's that like almost a sharp, bitter aroma that kind of like, it's not skunky.
00:11:06
Speaker
But because of all the beers that I had, like you said, Brandon, growing up, that's the first thing that comes to my mind because all the beers that we had were not great and probably old and the sun and stuff like that. I'm in no means comparing this beer to that, but there is that familiar type of aroma. That's like a Pavlov type of thing there. There we go. You smell it and you're just imagineately emergent, or I can't even speak right now. Think of skunk clears. Oh, wow. This is, you're getting deeper than Clark. This is going great.
00:11:37
Speaker
We finally got a smart guy on the show. Speaking of which, I do have some more fun facts here. Play it on us because Brandon and I just really want to, we just like to drink the beer while Clark talks and he never happened. I'm just breaking my dry January right now. Yeah, that's right. Congratulations, man. You made it all the while. Not bad. Good job. I didn't even attempt, but I did slow down. I will say that.
00:12:01
Speaker
Um, I had a couple of beers in January. Yeah. So I was doing a little bit of research on each of the breweries when I was looking at all this, uh, in Metropolitan, because I was trying to compare them, you know, the three different breweries. Metropolitan started in the end of 2008.
00:12:22
Speaker
Wow. And they're in the Avondale neighborhood, which I mean, if you're from Chicago, you know, but it's a pretty centrally located right on the river. Really cool tap room that they got. It was a husband and wife who have since been divorced, but they're still both involved. Doug is the head brewer. And fun fact for all three of these breweries, they all attended the world brewing academy, which is a mixture of the Siebel Institute in Chicago and the Domans Academy in Munich.
00:12:54
Speaker
I guess it makes sense then why they all went straight focused on lagers. Yeah. I mean, especially, I mean, Metropolitan, for those of you guys who don't know, that is their main focus. I don't know if I've, do they make anything else or are they just 100% don't they have a, do they have any wheat beers? I don't think so. One of the other breweries on here has a hefeweizen. Do they have a jungle?
00:13:17
Speaker
They might. It's still a lager. It's still I know. No, I know. I was kind of just going off of like flavor profile and stuff like that. Yeah, I'm going to. Oh, they got jet early spring jet stream wheat beer. And I think that might that might have been a new turn for them when they moved to their new location, because they originally started in like Ravenswood ish.
00:13:39
Speaker
They were at Foster and Ravenswood. They were literally right around the backside of where Koval distillery started as well. And now Koval's gone and Urban Brew Labs is in there now. And they have a tasting room and everything too.
00:14:01
Speaker
They've got a arc welder dunkle rye that I've never tried. That sounds amazing. I have had a lot of their beers. I was talking to Dan about this earlier that a friend of mine, Phil, he used to be a big beer drinker, you know, big IPA guy, and then just burnt himself out on it. And the only thing he really likes now is bourbon, occasional like big stout and metropolitan. Like literally, that's it. It's metropolitan brewing is all he really enjoys.
00:14:30
Speaker
So I have had a number of these beers while hanging out with them. Yeah, and I was gonna say the Zwickl, I think that they actually just started canning this within the last like two years, because it's supposed to be drank so fresh, they were for a time only having it on draft in the brewery.
00:14:49
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah, this, to quote many times, like we've said on these episodes, I could drink this beer on a nice hot summer day. I could, I could. I really liked this beer, actually. This, not actually. I'm not, so I think I've said this before, I don't really care about lagers. I'm not a huge lager drinker. I see a lot of posts about lagers and how lagers should be respected. You know what? Tony's rant, here we go. One, two, three.
00:15:19
Speaker
Just drink what the hell you like. If you just want to sit around and drink hazy IPAs all day, good for you. You want to drink pastry salads all day, good for you. You want to drink lagers every day, all the time. Great. You want to drink IPAs? Fine. Don't give anybody shit about what they like drinking as much as you don't want them giving you shit about what you're drinking. So just shut up and drink your beer.
00:15:41
Speaker
I do have to point right now that you have a hat that says logger on it while going on that rant. That's my Firestone Walker logger hat that I got when I went to the great American beer fest with Brandon back in 2019. Was it 19? No, man, that I didn't go back.
00:15:55
Speaker
You get the hat? Yeah. All I had to do was say the word logger and then try their logger, which I liked. Now, after that rant being said, by the way, the rant is just one. Really? Yeah. After that being said, I do like loggers. I just don't love them. I don't really seek them out. I have to have a taste for them.
00:16:19
Speaker
When I normally, when I, when I, when I go out to buy beer, it's, it's normally IPAs or pale ales. Um, that's normally what I, what I shoot for. It also depends on the time of year, but if I want beer that I'm going to have, um, Oh God, excuse me. I hope I edit that out. That was gross. Um, I just, I don't, I don't really go for loggers. I mean, loggers are good. I'll drink them. It's just not my, my go-to to beer. Yeah, I can see that. I'm very seasonal with my drinking. This is a good one though. It's light like it, like Brandon was saying, and it is.
00:16:49
Speaker
Uh, or like Tony was saying, you can drink it on a hot day, but I am getting like, it's just straight malt and then maybe a little bit of a Christmas coming from the hot. Yeah. It's kind of the aroma is almost like, like a, a bready, yeasty aroma to me too. Now that we've gotten past that original, like multi serial, you know, kind of, kind of skunky type hop aroma. Now it smells like yeasty bread to me.
00:17:14
Speaker
It could also be because I made homemade pizza last night and that smell of yeast, dough, you know, dough, yeast. So one of my goals, we talked about in the Maltese, like what do we want to do this year? What is drink more Belgium's for me? But I do want to try to do like a good solid lager recipe. And again, I'm kind of in the camp of Tony, like I don't seek these out. They're not my favorite style.
00:17:41
Speaker
They're not a style like dislike by any means, but I have a lot of people in my family that like, if they come through, they're like, what do you got to tap? And I'll be like, oh, I just brewed this, you know, IPA, or I just brewed this stout. And they're like, oh, you don't have anything like normal. And to that, when they say normal, it's like a lager. So I want to try to perfect a good solid lager recipe.
00:18:07
Speaker
is kind of a goal for the year. I had one. I'm sorry, go ahead. I was going to say, I want to ask you guys, and as I think I've said this on show before, but one of the things I like about your show is that you guys homebrew, and I've helped brew once. Didn't go well, but I just, out of curiosity, how would you lager if it's supposed to be at colder temperatures? A beer as a homebrew perspective. Let me tell you.
00:18:33
Speaker
I've done it before. You can do it multiple ways. One way is a way that Brandon and I have both done it where you actually don't have to cold ferment it. With the yeast strains that we have now, you can actually make a lager, you know, a style beer at room temperature. Now you're going against what the name says, lager, which is cold storage or cold, yeah, cold storage.
00:18:56
Speaker
but you can still easily make a lager without having to do it in, you know, 30 degree temperatures.
Homebrewing Lagers - Techniques and Yeast
00:19:05
Speaker
Now, 30 degrees, it's gonna freeze. I have done it where I have put it in my plastic five gallon bucket and then I've made room in my beer refrigerator and set a temperature control on there for a certain amount of time. And then you have to, you know, let it sit
00:19:27
Speaker
38 degrees for X amount of days and then you ramp it up for a diastole rest so you don't get that buttery off flavor and aroma on it. You keep ramping it up to finish off the fermentation so it cleans itself up and that's it. So it takes about a month to do it fully. You wanna have that going on for a month before you package the beer. I've done it once and it's called Shut Up Jeff. It was a pretty good logger.
00:19:55
Speaker
Well, and then going to Tony's point. So Tony's point was the first time I did my Oktoberfest. I didn't have a method for cold storage really at the time. And it was done in like mid October. No, I did it. Yeah, mid September. And I was looking around for yeast. I'd have to look up the yeast strain. I had it like at the top of my tongue like
00:20:21
Speaker
Was it a dry yeast strain? Yeah, it was a dry yeast strain. And I read a lot about it. And all these people had like, great success just logging at room temperature, you know, between 68 and 72 degrees. Yeah, I'm fortunate enough. And I don't know, fortunate enough. So my, my office that I work in is in the basement. And I'm in there like Monday through Friday, most of the time.
00:20:45
Speaker
And I have like a Dyson heater that I keep in there. So during the times where it gets a little bit colder, I just have that thing set to like 70 degrees, keeps it at that temperature. And I mean,
00:20:58
Speaker
for my own personal review. I think two years I've done my Meinkind, as it's called, turned out phenomenal. I'm really impressed with the way that at that standard room temperature, basically, that yeast has kind of shined.
00:21:18
Speaker
I think I had that at the Christmas episode, right? Yes, you did. That was good. Brandon, you probably had a little package of Safe Logger, maybe W3470 or S23. Either a yellow or purple package. I think it was. Possibly. Purple, if I remember correctly. That's the Bohemian Logger one. Wait. No, because it's a German strain, I would say.
00:21:48
Speaker
Because there is a strain. It's in the cloud. There is a strain that works particularly well with warm fermenting as far as logger strains go. Oh, it's safe logger, German logger. It's 189.
00:22:12
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, I know that and I think there's other strains that are also able to ferment like that. You don't have to actually do it cold. That's the power. That's the power of the yeast. It's the power of science. That's how far and that one will actually do. You can do cold temps in there. But the reviews that I saw it said it actually you get better, better performance, like when it's you keep it a consistent room temperature. So
00:22:41
Speaker
Is that Omega or something else? No. Dude, what's it? Is that Omega or is that a different brand? No, it's like Safe Ale or is it, what is it? Safe Ale or Safe Logger? What's it called? You know what? Let's see. I actually don't know the name of the company. Oh, Fermentus, Fermentus. Omega only does what East, right? Correct.
00:23:05
Speaker
They don't do dry yeast. I would definitely, um, I think I've said this part in an episode of them would be interesting. Yeah, absolutely. I may know a guy who works there.
00:23:16
Speaker
Well, look at this guy knows everybody. I really appreciate it. I know a guy who knows a guy. So no, Tobias from rabbit brewing. Yeah. One of one of the guys that used to brew with him, I think left and is now the brewer at
00:23:37
Speaker
Omega. That's the guy I know. His name is Max. Max. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I know Clint from Lake Effect who used to, you know, work right next door. Yeah. So I can talk to him probably. Yeah. Thinking about that. I saw Clint was in the firehouse this week. Yeah. That's good news. I said first step, get a heater because it was cold that day. Yep. That's going to be really close to your house, Brandon. I know.
00:24:03
Speaker
And again, so reminder for everybody, first, like we need first crack at an episode. We are gonna, as soon as he's like ready to open, we're gonna be banging on his door and be like, let's chat. You hear that, Clint? We're knocking on the door. We're not talking about like effects. We're talking about metropolitan here. Overall, I will say for a style that I don't,
00:24:30
Speaker
I'm not really familiar with. It does say on the can, the OG hazy beer, by the way. I don't know if you guys saw that. It's kind of cool. I do like it. I do think it's a tasty beer overall. I'd probably drink it again. If I probably drink it again, I mean, I,
00:24:48
Speaker
If I saw it somewhere, I probably would buy it and take it home with me. What about you guys? No, I agree. I think that I tend to lean to darker lagers if I'm going to go lager, especially in the fall. Yes. I mean, I love pilsners, but I this is good. And when I was reading about the Zwickl beers and it kept saying it's like a lighter version of a Keller beer and stuff. And I think that that fits that to a tea, like it's just light, easy drinking.
00:25:16
Speaker
Brandon, if someone was walking in the street and they were like, hey man, very calmly, what do you think about this heliostat from Metropolitan? You ever had it before? And if you had to give it a rating one out of five, what would you give it?
00:25:33
Speaker
had it before. I gave it a rating and give it a 3.75. I like that. And you know what, so I have not, and again, pandemic wise, you know, that was kind of the issue. I've not been to Metropolitan. I would love to go and enjoy this out on their patio along the river.
00:25:54
Speaker
Yeah, it's so awesome there. Sorry, guys, I'm yawning and it's not because I think you guys are boring or shows boring. It's been a long day. It's been a long weekend. I I tried to go one time. Actually, Clark and I tried to go when things were kind of calming down during the pandemic and there was a line to get in. That's what you guys ended up at burning Bush, right? Yes. And burning Bush ended up being pretty good. I'd like to go back there to the old Catholic.
00:26:24
Speaker
I mean, I don't even think it was well, well, it's not Catholic. So I think the the the brewer was Episcopalian or Presbyterian, one of the two. He was a pastor in like Evanston. Yeah. And then ended up.
00:26:39
Speaker
like he was a home brewer and his wife's like, this is really good. And he decided to just be like, yeah, I'm not doing church anymore. I'm gonna do beer. And he did. And I mean, they're still open. And like, dude, the guy opened literally like right at the beginning of the pandemic, I think. And they've been doing phenomenal. So
00:26:58
Speaker
I would... Tony and I had talked a couple of weeks ago towards the beginning of the month about places we wanted to chat with. We did not mention that. I think that one should be fairly high on our list, because that's an interesting chat. Let's add it to the list now. As former seminarians... It's us. We went to the cemetery. Well, preparatory seminary. All their beers were also...
00:27:24
Speaker
like biblical. Yes, there's a theme to it. Brandon just made it look like his mind was exploding. Yeah, there is a theme to the beers. Clark and I did end up there and we did enjoy the beers. I don't remember what I had though, but everything was tasty. I remember having a hazy beer there that I really enjoyed.
00:27:45
Speaker
And you're right there by the Chicago River. So that's cool. Yeah, not the prettiest part of the Chicago River, not like Metro, but no, no, no, they're working on it. Yeah, they're trying. They're trying. In fact, during that time, they were redoing the bridge right over there. Fun fact about their location, our original daycare that we were going to send our son to is the daycare that's literally right next door to the brewery. Other fun fact is just
00:28:13
Speaker
North of where the brewery is used to all be vacant and used to be a boat lot. And that's where we stored our boat for the longest time. My family sailboat. We'd have to dump it in the water there and then take it up the river to get it onto the lake. And the guy who owned the boat yard, crap, ton of money to sell it off to some developer who made a bunch of houses and other stuff there.
00:28:38
Speaker
It's a good story time. I've been there once, but I don't have any stories. Here's Brandon's boat story.
00:28:50
Speaker
Yeah, you do actually. Yeah, that is a cool place that we should definitely check out. It is funny that as we're talking about it, I forgot that Metropolitan is right there as far as off the Chicago River. It's not really right there, but you can hop in the water and just swim if you wanted to. Well, that's the other cool thing about Metropolitan is that there's an unaffiliated boat rental or raft rental that you can rent a raft with like 13 people.
00:29:16
Speaker
Yeah. And bring beer on. And record a podcast episode. Yeah. That's how we have to do the metropolitan episode. And we'll call it on about episode 78. Oh, no, that's too soon. We can't do that. Episode 85. That's enough. Yeah, that's fine. All right, let's move on to the next one, guys.
00:29:49
Speaker
Brandon, did you change his name or Dan, did you change his name? I changed it. I didn't even know it. I did see it. I was like, oh my God. Well, it said Sammy and Dan, Sammy and Danny or something like that. Now it says Dan Clark, which is perfect.
00:30:09
Speaker
Great. I am going, we actually went hella long on this conversation, so I'm going to request a quick intermission. That's fine. I have to blow my nose. It's cold in my basement. Yeah. And then we will go on to the next one. Two more. Sounds good. You want to do, which one of the two do you want to do? Dovetail. Yeah, dovetail. We'll be right back.
00:35:46
Speaker
And we're back. Yeah, I was waiting for that. I was I was got to know I got more shit. I got it. We are back and we've got more beers to drink. That's normally what happens on this show. We if you're just joining in the middle of the show, what are you doing and why we are moving on to our second Chicago based brewery lager and this one I have had
00:36:14
Speaker
And I know I said I don't really like loggers, but I guess I should rephrase that. I don't like pale loggers that much. I like dark loggers a lot. Are you copying me? Shut up, Dan. I do. And like I said, when we took the break, Dan and I were talking about how tired I am because I've been standing for five hours and then sat down to do the show and my body's like, hmm, time to relax. And Dan called me old. I did realize that, oh, shit.
00:36:43
Speaker
I do like dark loggers and this one in particular is a favorite of mine. And it's a brewery that we, Brandon, you and I think we, uh, we should, uh, have on the show. Dan, what are we drinking? We are drinking dovetail Vienna style lager. Yes. And dovetail was started in June, 2016 by Bill and Hagen. And they met at the Munich domains Academy that we, uh, talked about earlier.
00:37:12
Speaker
I love this beer. Yeah. And this one, so this one, when I was doing my research, this is a smash beer. So single malt and single hop, a hundred percent Vienna malt, Styrian golden hops.
00:37:26
Speaker
I'm going to try and do this. That's awesome. Actually. I mean, so on the website, it says that. So hopefully that's right. Hopefully they're not lying to us on the website. I had this logger last summer, I believe. Oh geez, sorry. I left my phone on the bar there. It's vibrating the microphone. It's a rookie mistake. That's a Dan mistake. Dan, please turn off your phone while we're doing the episodes.
00:37:52
Speaker
I'm gonna edit that so that's what it sounds like. It was you who did it. I did have this beer over the summer. I remember getting it from Bottles and Cans, but the one over on Lincoln and, excuse me. You had this two summers ago. Two summers ago? Well, then I didn't check in this last summer. What did I say about? Oh yes, yes, yes. What did I say? Oh yeah, I gave it a four. 2020. Oh man, I had this in 2020, the year that nobody wants to remember.
00:38:19
Speaker
I did also have it last year. I got it at Biles and Cancer. I remember because I was with my good friend Alex and we were moving some stuff from my dad's and we decided we, after moving stuff all day in the heat, earned some libations and this was part of my mixed four pack and I told him to buy a full four pack and he did and he loved it. It's a good beer.
00:38:43
Speaker
And that's it. Let's move on to the next one. So I wrote down so with Vienna loggers, obviously amber in color. We haven't really talked about that, but it is like amber with a slight like orange tint, maybe. Yeah.
00:38:57
Speaker
So it's Austrian, obviously is the name Vienna, Austria. It was first to market in 1841 and tying back into Brandon making his Marzenbir. They both were released the same year. They're very similar in recipe because they were two friends that traveled together that then broke off and made the two different styles.
00:39:20
Speaker
So Braden, next time you do your Octoberfest Marson beer, I'll do this and we'll do a side-by-side drinking it together. We should. Cause this is so not to... Dan can help brew both of them. Yeah. Not to put anything against the Metro beer. This one I feel like is smoother. I don't want to say cleaner, but I guess, yeah, kind of it is like there's,
00:39:51
Speaker
It doesn't have the same hop bite that the last one had. No, no, no, no, no. It's just very, and again, we use this term loosely, like it's easy drinking, like I...
Vienna Lager Comparisons - Dovetail vs. Goldfinger
00:40:02
Speaker
We use balanced, really. Whatever. I poured like half of this and I'm like half down. This is the one that I was gonna... Well, when you guys were talking about, oh, you saved some, I meant to do that with the Metropolitan and I poured the whole one and I was like, oh, okay. Well, nevermind. And then I was like, all right, for the last two,
00:40:21
Speaker
I'm gonna pace myself. I'm not gonna drink them all. I'm gonna finish this Vienna style lager from Dovetail because I absolutely love it. It's got like a sweet maltiness to it. It's kind of bready. It's not super bitter. It doesn't have that, I think that like you were saying, Brandon, that sharp hop bitterness from the Metro beer.
00:40:47
Speaker
Yeah, I would be curious to know the yeast that they use. And I don't think they probably identified that on the website. No, they didn't. Let's call them. I will ask the person I know at dovetail.
00:41:02
Speaker
You know, I like that you guys know people everywhere and I don't know anybody. I know Jeff. Do you guys know Jeff? I know Jeff. I met him once. Yeah. Well, you know what? I live next door to Jeff. So there you go. You guys can have your beer friends and all this beer shit. I know Jeff. Wouldn't it be like mind blowing if Jeff was like a brewer? You didn't even know it. Never told you. He just did shit in his basement. No, I've been to his basement. That's not happening.
00:41:30
Speaker
No, it would blow my mind if Jeff had beer. People that he knew. And he goes, oh, yeah, I know that guy. God damn it. Jeff is secretly, you know, hot butcher. Makes sense. It's all making sense now. He's like, love those hazy IPAs. Oh, man. Yeah, I haven't had a bad beer from from Dufftail yet. No, I have tried.
00:41:59
Speaker
I don't know if I checked them all in, but I, and I've, I've gone there a couple of times and I love their spot. Um, all of their beers are awesome. They have a really, really good, uh, I don't know. I don't know the proper way that I think it's pronounced it. Crick, right? Or Creek. Creek. Cherry beer. Creek. Is it Creek? That is fucking awesome.
00:42:23
Speaker
I'm also, you know, I also really like cherry beers when it comes to fruited beers, but that is really good there. Halislager is also very good.
00:42:36
Speaker
I think I've had the Dunkle, or not Dunkle, half-wise and from them before, which I also did like. And I'm trying to think of, I'm going through the colors in my head because their labels are all the same with the all in white, but then where the beer at the top beer style is, it's always a different color. What's the black one? Is that a Bach beer? Yeah, they had a holiday Bach.
00:42:57
Speaker
I think it's black. They had a Roush beer. Back to the Roush beer. Yeah, I love this beer. This is probably my favorite beer. In a Maybach. Oh, yes, I had a Maybach. Is that what you said? Yep. Yeah, I've had a Maybach from them.
00:43:17
Speaker
I am like blanking right now and I was trying to Google it without success, but whenever you, so you brew a beer and then you immediately put it in like a steel tank vessel for open air cooling, cool ship. I was going to say they cool ship all their beers. Oh yeah. That's right. Have you ever seen, have you ever been there?
00:43:35
Speaker
No, I've been to the tap room. I've never been to the brewing area. And then open our fermenting? Well, yeah, but not in like a... I don't think it's like susceptible to like spontaneous fermentation, but they do have all their beers. Yeah, they do.
00:43:51
Speaker
do a lot of spontaneous they do all yeah they do like the vignette series that they have oh man that's right i forgot they have like a peach beer the pesh beer which is really good a regular lager kolch oh man i'm getting thirsty for all these oh yeah the xo series i remember that i had a wild meana from them that was good
00:44:10
Speaker
I still have a XO. It might be the one that was like the route. It was like smoked something. Flanders. Flanders route spear. Yeah. 500 milliliter bottles. Yeah. The only time I've ever been to Dovetail was with you, Tony. I forget. Who else was with us? It might have been Mike. Is that for your birthday?
00:44:30
Speaker
No, it wasn't my, I don't think it was my birthday. No, no, we're, we're, we're going to the guile. Yeah. Yeah. Um, which is right next to W and they do a lot of stuff. They actually have like, they do like their own like fasts and stuff throughout the year, like to kind of support the neighborhood. So yeah, which we didn't say, but they're in North center, which is like Lincoln and Irving and Damon. Brandon's familiar with that area.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I was going to say something else about that seemed like a, that seemed like a knock at you, Brandon. Brandon's familiar with there. If you know what I mean? I would, I would love to be in that area, but that's a nice area. I live in that area at one point. So, and I know Jeff. So no, I, I, so what I was going to say is dovetail for all the carpenters out there listening is a reference to woodworking.
00:45:22
Speaker
putting the pieces of wood together, but I was going back to their taproom, the like woodwork in there and how it's just, I went there like the week they opened and it just smelled like fresh cut wood, but this is a pretty beautiful taproom. And if I remember correctly, I don't, you know, pandemic, I don't know if they still do it. They used to have a thing where you could go to their website and sign up. Like if you wanted to help brew, like you could sign up and like they would let you come in and like brew beer with them.
00:45:49
Speaker
They did a thing with the cherries, too, where they needed to be de-pitted and de-stemmed, and you got beer to take home. You remember that, but I think it was a pandemic time. Yeah, pandemic times, maybe they're not doing that. But we did talk about when we were there, like, we should talk to them about, like, a group thing, like, signing up and saying, hey, can we all come in and, like, brew? Yeah, we talked about that as a brew club. Yeah, that's right.
00:46:17
Speaker
Um, not a brew club, but a podcast. I think that would be awesome to go in and the brew club that show. I'm saying when we first originally talked about it, we did it. We were talking to it and I'm saying now, if they see, I know what you're saying now, man. All right. We're on the same page. He's going to meet me. You're fired. Hey, it's just Brandon and I know in Clark when he comes back. Hey, it's me, Clark. I'm here. Tony. Sorry. You still have to edit all this though. It's bullshit.
00:46:46
Speaker
Um, yeah, that would be cool. That would be cool to go in there and, and to do that. Um, I, uh, I also want to point out that every time you're at dovetail, I think DuckTales. So I just wanted to say that as well. Um, I think that when I first had dovetail, I was very much still into only like 1,100 guy PAs and, you know, big Imperial stouts and barley wines. I didn't even know like sours or anything. I just wanted like super happy, you know, high alcohol, big.
00:47:17
Speaker
badass flavors. Then I went to Dovetail and I was like, this has got German beers, huh? Okay. And I have not turned back. I've loved every single one of their beers that I've tried. And I look forward to trying more of those. They, to me, in my opinion, do no wrong. When I worked at certain festivals,
00:47:36
Speaker
And I got to work at the tent. The Dovetail had their beers at, which I think that was a hell of a slogger one time or a pilsner. I drank that the most while I was supposed to be working. I was working. I was working at a beer tent. I asked you to drink. We're going to edit that out. I drink five pounds. Drink a lot of beer. It's a lot of fun. No, but they definitely, like you're saying, they're like, in my mind, like the most traditional
00:48:02
Speaker
style of German beers. Because you think of American breweries and everything is pumped up to the max, but they hold back on things, but in a traditional sense. In a good way. Yeah, in a good way. Agreed. Keep it simple, stupid.
00:48:20
Speaker
Yes. But also, as they always say, and I'm sure you guys as brewers will be able to speak to this, but is it like a lager or something you can't hide flavor off flavors in? Correct. You can keep it simple, but you have to do it really well. Yeah. Yeah. And by no means, when I say keep it simple is what they're doing. They're not doing anything simple. Well, and again, if this is truly like a smash beer, like
00:48:47
Speaker
And again, kind of reiterating on that single halt or a single malt, single hop. So to describe that, it's literally they use one malt for the entire grain bill and then one half. That's it. It's super.
00:49:04
Speaker
Yeah. If something goes wrong, you'll know. Yeah. You would, you would know, like, even if you've never brewed that before, like you have an idea, like with the grains used and the hops, you're going to use for that. It should kind of taste like this. And if it doesn't, you'll know, you'll know. And it could, but that, that could then kind of go back into,
00:49:25
Speaker
It's 100% Vienna malt and I'm assuming the 100%. Wait, which one are we looking at? The cracker? I'm pointing on the screen. Like you can see it's backwards. I think I'm just assuming like going to like a literature center. I'm assuming the 100% applies to both the Vienna malt and the hops. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a single. Yeah. That's what that's a, I mean, literally that's what smash stands for. Like Brandon said, single moms, single malt and single hop.
00:49:53
Speaker
So yeah, that's that is impressive. And that's awesome. And this is super, super clean. And I like the sweetness to it. Yeah, me too. It's not overly sweet. I don't want to say this is a hot day or whatever, like it's
00:50:10
Speaker
Dude, I think we're falling for this. Yeah, I was going to say spring or fall. You know, winter, spring, summer or fall. All you got to do is drink the Vienna style. Them all. Oh, drink them all on a fire. Yeah. Sit around a fire. Yeah. Yeah. I do that when we do our next camping episode. This time we're going to camp an hour away from home.
00:50:33
Speaker
Unless we go back up there and go to all the school spots, we found when we were doing the new Glares Fest. They kind of go camping, baby. That's not my conversation, Dan. We'll talk about that later. We're not going to be in a hotel room, but an episode should happen. You're just bringing that up in general. Oh, that's right. You did say you already locked down a hotel.
00:50:55
Speaker
Oh God, let's move on to the next beer, beer number three for the night. All right. Can't believe you're much beer. I feel like, I feel like I don't know how to do this podcast anymore. Cause it's been a month. That's the other thing too. We had all these episodes recorded, which I thought a break would be great. And I was looking forward to like coming back and doing the show. I have aged in a month. I feel like I have become weaker in a month that. Zero was 40.
00:51:25
Speaker
You know, yeah. A week after this episode, I'm a 40. I'm a 40. I will be a 40 man. I am a 40. After this, I'm drinking 40s and that's it. Those colors look very similar, Dan. That might be because they're both the analog or. Oh shit. Where are your sound effects on that one, Brandon? There we go. Dan's got it better than Clark and Brandon. It's Dan. I don't even know if I ever.
00:51:53
Speaker
That's Dan's new theme song. Better Than Clackin', Brandon, it's Dan. I'll find a way to fit my name in there too, Brandon. This aggression will not stand, man. I do have aggression towards you right now. Dan, be your number three of your inaugural episode. What is it, baby?
00:52:12
Speaker
So this is a brewery, Goldfinger Brewing, that I have never had anything from, but it is all the rage with the kids these days with the loggers. Your age is showing.
00:52:23
Speaker
They are, so they, they were, they started in July, 2020. So they're the super new out in Donner's Grove and the head brewer slash owner, Thomas Beckman. He also went to the world brewing academy. Jesus. And he is the, a descendant of the Goldfinger family who sold brewing supplies in central Europe in the mid 1800s, as well as owning a pub in Krakow, Poland.
00:52:50
Speaker
I thought you were gonna say a member of the Goldfinger family, like the guys in California. The punk slash ska band, who I still listen to, so don't judge me anybody. Superman is Tony Hawk, number one. I mean, what else do you need? I love when everybody... When people talk about music I grew up with, even people who are the same age as me, they're like, oh yeah, that's my favorite song from Tony Hawk.
00:53:15
Speaker
You know what, man? It's gonna make me look like a hipster. I was fucking listening to that before it was in Tony Hawk. I was too, because I used to have a whole little punk phase. Goldfinger, you know, they were like vegan. They were doing their thing. Yeah, still are. Yeah. John, yeah, man. They released in the last five years, at least two albums they've put out.
00:53:39
Speaker
John Feld, he's doing it in the, you know, the old lead singer of MXPX or lead singer of MXPX is the bassist in the band now. Oh, is it? MXPX is still going? I don't know. I didn't want to make it sound like I knew. I don't know that much about it. We were like name dropping the people in the band. I just name dropped John Feldman, the lead singer of the band. I did not, you know, name the lead singer of MXPX, but I can't think of his name right now.
00:54:09
Speaker
Tony is doing a great job speaking with his hand right now. Thank you. And Brandon is also making it great. Anyways, gold finger. Another VM. That's what I think of. I think I think of. I had to do that video game for the N64. Yeah. And I made an admission to a friend today that I have only seen one James Bond movie in my entire life.
00:54:39
Speaker
And it was the Daniel Craig one, one of the Daniel Craig ones. I've never seen another Bond movie. You know why? I have no interest.
00:54:49
Speaker
That's, I'm in the same camp. I've never seen, he said he has no interest. Sorry, I thought this was Zara. It's a part of a Daniel Craig James Bond. And I've only seen clips like from movies that I've kind of like, you know, scrolled through, but I've never watched like in a whole, you know, the closest thing to James Bond I've watched is
00:55:13
Speaker
Austin Bauer. I thought you were going to go Jason Bourne and you went Austin Bauer. I have seen the Bourne movies. Also, I've never seen any of the Godfather movies. I haven't seen any Godfather movies either.
00:55:26
Speaker
Seriously, you guys never seen the Godfather movies? I'll tell you why, Tony, because I have no interest. OK, man, I can't wait for you to not be on the show ever again. I need Clark back. Clark, I miss you. Where are you? Those words would come out.
00:55:43
Speaker
Yeah, not today. Tony sitting around, not watching the Godfather. Clark sitting around, not watching the Godfather. I'm going to text Clark as soon as we're done with this episode. Hey, watch the Godfather and then get back on an episode. All right. Let's talk about my favorite ska band beer, Goldfinger. Catch 22. Oh, never mind. Deep cut for all you punk kids out there that don't listen to this show.
00:56:11
Speaker
Um, I was going to say, I was really waiting to try both of these because they're both Vienna style. So dovetail to me is definitely cloudier. Absolutely. Cold fingers is super clear and more of a reddish tinge versus like the orangish that the dovetail has to me, but yeah, there's almost, uh,
00:56:35
Speaker
the dark light that I'm looking at because I live in the darkness. Just like Batman. Have you guys seen any of all the Batman movies? No. Yes. I watch a lot of movies but I did watch a lot of 007 because my grandfather was really into James Bond and Western movies so I've like seen a bunch of those old movies. Too bad he wasn't into Batman. There is like an amberish as far as me being in the
00:57:02
Speaker
They're like an orangish amberish. It's not like a deep red or anything. Yeah. No, no. Sorry. Comparison. No, no. I'm saying for myself, I didn't, I didn't get that from what you said. I would just want to clarify my own. It's weird. When I hold it up, I don't get the red, but when I like have it next to the dovetail, I see the red for some reason. Are you seeing red like the band Chevelle? Yeah. Do you even get that reference? I do. I remember that from the radio. Hey man, they're from Chicago. Are they really? Yeah.
00:57:33
Speaker
Are they like everybody else who says they're from Chicago, but they're really from Naperville? I think so. Oh. Especially pumpkins. They were actually from Chicago, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. They, like, even when they were, like, at the end, Billy Corgan lived in, like, uh... It seems like a raven. Between North Center and, like, Wrigley. Like, he lived over there. Like, and I remember I went to a show at the Metro once, and
00:58:03
Speaker
This is dating myself, but Tony might remember if you ever went to the Metro, there used to be a record store dating yourself. There used to be a record store right next to the.
00:58:13
Speaker
Metro. I don't remember the name of it. But we were going to a show once we walked in there and Jimmy Chamberlain from like the pumpkins was like just sitting in there like hanging out like signing autographs and just talking to people. And I was like, wait, I just came in here to buy a record before this. He was like, he said, well, I lived on the block. He's like, I just came over here. I was like, OK, cool. Before cell phones, before like I could get a selfie. But like, yeah, it was pretty awesome.
00:58:41
Speaker
The Metro is the last concert venue. I saw a concert before the pandemic. Man, I'm what did you see? Little Brother, which might go over your guys's heads. I don't know. Who is it? Tell us. Little Brother from North Carolina. No, really. Fonte and Big Pooh. It's like classic like.
00:59:00
Speaker
mid-2000s, backpack, hip hop. I act cool, but I'm not that cool, man. It's like my favorite rap group of all time. Try called Black Star. Black Star. I got that. Okay, okay, okay.
00:59:13
Speaker
I was also distracted because I'm trying to remember the name of the fucking record store that was connected to the Metro. Once I hear that, it's going to be like, yeah, it's driving me nuts. I got to text somebody. Oh, there we go. My brother signed at Metro right here. Oh, really? Wow. This isn't your vinyl beer pairing show. Save that for your fucking YouTube.
00:59:41
Speaker
It's the malting hour. I can't wait to have Tony on to name drop more early 2000s punk and ska bands. We're gonna do a whole episode on it. We're gonna pair our favorite punk albums and beers. Or I take Goldfinger and pair it to the Goldfinger album that I don't own.
01:00:01
Speaker
on vinyl. I do have that on me there. Just so you guys know, I got a Limp Bizkit album on vinyl in case anybody interested. That is a true story. Unfortunately, it's a significant honor. I don't really know what that one is. That's their second album. That was their album that made them famous. Oh, got nothing on it. Where he's like this on the cover. Yeah. Anything cartoon. Yeah. I wish I had their first one. $3 bill. It's a good one.
01:00:29
Speaker
I remember buying the chocolate starfish one on TV when it came out. It's a bad idea. Yeah. I mean, Hey, that was like, I wasn't like middle school. That was what year was that? Wait, what year did that come out in?
01:00:43
Speaker
19 or 2000 and oh my God, Dan. I'm gonna Google it. I'm right on top of that rose. Oh shit. While you're doing that, I'm gonna go back to this beer. Brandon, what do you think of this beer? Especially in comparison to the Dovetail since we basically gave and professed our undying love for the Dovetail Vienna style lager. I do like it. Honestly, I feel like it's a little thinner.
01:01:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's thinner like the Stephen King novel and movie. It's yeah and when I say thinner like the the malt flavor and everything there's just like it's got this wateriness that kind of overpowers
01:01:26
Speaker
what I could get or what I was getting from the dovetail version. And when you say watery, obviously you mean more of the mouthfeel, not like it's a watered down beer, just in case anybody. No, no, no, no. I'm actually I'm going like with the flavor. Like I really it's well, and I guess it just goes with like it's a thinner body. It's the.
01:01:47
Speaker
the, the malt that I would get from it is not as present. Um, Daniel, I don't know if like when you look stuff up, if you found their malt bill, but like, yeah, it's just, it's not as crisp. It's not as actually, I feel like it's what you're saying. And now that I'm drinking yet and putting what you're saying in my, I feel like it's
01:02:05
Speaker
more crisp because it's not as sweet and kind of like readier. I feel like I'm getting more of that like noble hot bite. Yes. It's the Christmas and like you said, it is definitely more aqueous than the dovetail. Look at that. He's using words other than watered down. The head on it died for me.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, same here. I ain't getting no head from this beer. So does your connection. If you swirl it around, though, look, she pops back up. And I guess I don't maybe I'm just confusing like what I'm tasting, but like, yeah, I just feel like. The the dovetail one just packs a bigger punch. And again, that's kind of.
01:02:59
Speaker
between the two, I just feel like, and I went back and sifted, like, I just feel like I'm getting more flavor. I do have a little bit left of the dovetail left. I'm going to take a sip real quick. Sorry, Dan. You can talk. I'm going to just sip. Well, I was just going to say to distinguish the two. So the dovetail one comes at 5.1% and the gold finger is at 5.5. The gold finger is the check saws hops. There's a different hop. There you go. But that's where you're saying that.
01:03:26
Speaker
The other thing that may differentiate it, I don't know if Dovetail doesn't do this, and I don't fully understand this, maybe you guys can elaborate, but double decoction is what Goldfinger does on their beers. Now, when it... What? Double decoction, which I Googled and read about, and it went... Oh, my God. That does too.
01:03:49
Speaker
It's a it's a way that they like. Yes. It is. Can you speak? Do you need to talk to them? Go ahead. Yeah. So I've never done it before and especially with it's an additional way of doing stuff with lager. It has to do with the mash and like there's like heating up water and then adding water. I don't fully know. I know you have to like
01:04:16
Speaker
you have your mash breast and you're confusing it. I'm not gonna try and explain it because I don't fully know, but it is a pain in the ass from what I know. And a lot of homebrewers do do it when it comes to loggers. And I think,
01:04:32
Speaker
There's been some experiments done. As far as the homebrew level goes, you don't need to do it. The results are indistinguishable, but I think on a larger scale, you can get it brand. It looks like you're trying to do something cool with your hair as you're trying to. It looks like you put it in front of your face. I'm like, why is it so long?
01:04:53
Speaker
But yeah, so that is, I would say that that's probably why we're, there is a difference in the beer and the mouthfeel. So I also want to point out when I smell it, when I smell the two, I feel like I get the malt more on the gold finger, but I don't taste it more than the dovetail. And I also get, this is going to sound weird, but I almost get like the corn from an empanada.
01:05:16
Speaker
Oh, okay. Do you think that's more specifically from the empanada? Like the sweetness? I don't know. The corn sweetness or just grain sweetness or grain? No, it's not sweet. It's that like savory smell of corn empanada, like the empanada shell. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Not the, yeah, not the
01:05:39
Speaker
I'll be right back. I wish I had the empanadas right now. Yeah. Welcome to the empanada hour. I could do a whole podcast about empanadas. No, sorry. I didn't even mean empanada. What? What did I mean? Are you going to say tamale? Yes. I did not mean empanada at all. Cut that. I'm not cutting shit, Dan. Welcome to your first episode and getting to find out that Tony doesn't make any edits, as you pointed out. Well, when I was talking about corn, a gaff caught me.
01:06:08
Speaker
I thought you were not. I mean, I've had like a sweet corn up and on us. That's what I like to point it outside. I look at the glass that I'm using in tribute of what we could have been doing. This is spoiler alert Tampa Bay. I was I've had this video goes anywhere.
01:06:26
Speaker
I had, uh, that's why I asked like, Oh, you mean like the filling? Like a sweet corn and banana. I was way, way wrong. It's tamales, like the corn. I don't get that. You're wrong. You're off the show. I do know, I do know what you're saying and what you're searching for. I do think too much.
01:06:48
Speaker
I just hit my tooth in the fucking cup. I hope the microphone picked that up. That was a God smack for talking shit to our new co-host, Dan. Welcome to the show. Yeah, it's funny because I went back and the gold finger, I was smelling it. It's stronger. I'm getting more aroma.
01:07:06
Speaker
And I stuck my nose in the can, and I've got more in the dovetail can, too. That was my judge, because I didn't have to do it in the glass. But I went, like, the gold finger was more aromatic. Exactly. And I was getting much more from it. It's deceiving, though. Yeah. And I feel like the body is just not as heavy as the dovetail, which is weird because of the, you know, we found out the ABV is, you know, higher on the gold finger versus the...
01:07:36
Speaker
But that would, that would blend to why the, you know, the aroma is higher, I guess. So when you switch them around in a glass, you can see the gold finger to me moves much more like aqueous. It's the horn section. It's the horn section that's making it move like that. Right. Daniel, we're going to use you to dumb yourself down.
01:07:58
Speaker
I made it pretty dumb when I said there's a horn section with the gold figure. It's funny, so as you guys are going back and forth dissecting this beer and I'm still wrapping my mind around that Dan meant tamale and not empanada and corn. I'm wondering why I don't have either of those in front of me right now. I had more of the, I've been stepping on the gold figure one, I still have some of the dovetail up.
01:08:21
Speaker
And these guys are going back and forth, boring me to death to have me wanted to edit until this part of the show right now me talking. I really, really, I don't know I it's hard for me to now to stay at there is a small to me a small difference between the two.
01:08:39
Speaker
And I'm all joking aside, listening to you guys going back and forth, I'm putting that all in my thoughts as I'm sipping it. And there is a difference in the beers, but I don't feel like I'm getting that drastic of a difference that you guys are getting. But then I am always, I tend to be the odd man out in situations.
01:09:03
Speaker
I would, I mean, not to like take shots as the first gold finger beer I've had, but I would much rather have the dovetail than the- I agree. I do agree on that. I do agree on that. And maybe that's just because I'm partial to it because I already have had it before and I really like it. I don't dislike the gold finger beer by any means. I don't think you guys dislike it either. I think you- Oh God, no, no, no, no. Comparison. Let's just want to make that clear. Gold finger, have us come to our show.
01:09:31
Speaker
And you know, it'd be fun. We say this every fucking episode. You know, it would be fun. You know, it'd be fun. Here's ideas. Here's ideas. A blind taste test of these two beers in the future wouldn't be a bad idea to see if we can pick out which one is which or see if we have those same ideas now that we have come to this kind of crossroads on these two beers.
01:09:53
Speaker
What I think would be fun is doing these beers, if we brew a Vienna Stoutlager, we brew one, have that in a lineup with these. Would it be cheating if I brew the beer and while it's fermenting for those 30 days, I just, on like a nonstop loop, just play every Goldfinger song ever written and see if that has any effect on the beer.
01:10:22
Speaker
No, it would be interesting to see what the effect would be. You know, they made whiskey blasting Metallica, so let's see what happens. Vienna style lager blessed by Goldfinger. And then we'll do a pastry stout where we just played chocolate starfish in the hot dog flavored water the whole time. I wish we could end this episode with a Goldfinger song. Chocolate starfish! Oh, man. Remember when we saw them at the air again?
01:10:50
Speaker
Yeah. You know, Brady got really mad at me. You know who opened up for him? The Limp Biscuit that day. Do you remember? Yeah. The world's... The world's armpit. Machine Gun Kelly.
01:11:06
Speaker
Are you serious? That was when he was still doing his I'm all rock. I do rock. And then he realized he's like, you know what I'll do? I'll do pop. Be a little bitch. Wait, so he so I don't I don't really know about machine gun. You don't need to. I thought he was like a rapper and then went to like this like weird pop punk thing. No, no, no, no, no. He started off as like doing straight up like rock shit like like a rap rock type thing. And
01:11:32
Speaker
when he couldn't hang at that and was no good, you know, opening for Limp Bizkit with Limp Bizkit. No offense, Limp Bizkit. Couldn't fill the air gun like eight years ago or whatever. Fred Durst is going to fight you. Fuck that, man. I love Freddie D. Freddie D is my boy. I said it here on the podcast. I never thought I'd say it. I do like Limp Bizkit. OK, I even like the new fucking album. There it is. Yeah. Yeah, Dan, I know your eyes just popped out of your head. The only person in America who listened to it.
01:12:00
Speaker
Yeah, it is. You know, OK. Cut him. Cut him now, Brandon. We need Clark back. I want Clark back this second. Clark on the phone. I'm just. Video feed has been cut. I went I went back to I went back to like listen to some of those. Oh, this is our episodes. No, no, no, no. Yeah, that's it. I went I went back to listen to some of those old like rap rock era songs.
01:12:29
Speaker
It just didn't hold up for me, but I don't know. Maybe it's just me. No, no, no, you're right. There is a lot like, I would say 98, 95. I'm going to be nicer. 95% of the rap rock shit did not hold up. And it does not. I've been listening to a lot of head PE lately. There are some like, you know, there's more like...
01:12:52
Speaker
There's more nostalgia and sentimental things for those type of bands. Yeah, I can't believe I got my Fred Durst rant tonight. I like when this gets still, man. This is bound to happen.
01:13:08
Speaker
But I didn't think it ever happened on the show.
Crash Test Dummies Fan Talk and Birthday Plans
01:13:10
Speaker
I mean, Clark. Oh, God, excuse me. Clark and I have professed. I'm sorry for it. By the way, everybody, I'm sorry for all the burping that I've done on this episode. I don't normally burp that much as you guys know. I'm not going back to edit it.
01:13:24
Speaker
I, uh, I, I, I, Clark and I professed our love about the crash test dummies. And I feel comfortable with that. I own that on vinyl. Ooh, Dan, there we go. That's the album that you could do with the malting hour. Brandon, you have to bone up on a crash test. Um, he's got shuffled. I listened to a lot of grass, crash test dummies, grass test dummies. Oh, but I have that. I have got shelf with his feet on vinyl signed by the entire band. Clark and I got it. It's kind of a big deal for us.
01:13:54
Speaker
Okay, I think I told you like one of the first times you went to see crash test tummies with Clark and I was like dude like That's awesome. I'd love to go and you guys kept going and I was like Yeah, we're going just don't listen to crash just we're going at the end of February for our birthdays
01:14:15
Speaker
Oh, man. Fuck you guys. We got the first two seats at the venue, man. The front row. First two. Clark and I are finally going to sing along with that old town school folk music. No, this is a city winery this time. So if anybody's ever never been there, not to not to take this into a music podcast, but we've gone off the rails. I've never been there. We've been there before.
01:14:38
Speaker
Yeah, I've been there two or three times. But one of them was for this artist, Langhorn Slim, who's like a foggy kind of guy. We're in the front row, but you can like eat food while you're watching the show. I don't want to eat food in front of the crash system. He's embarrassing him. Well, they had a good beer list at the time, too. But he like walked out like on our table and was like standing. I could have like grabbed his leg like he was like singing. That would have been weird. That would have been weird, though, right? Yeah, it would have been weird.
01:15:08
Speaker
It's a pretty cool venue. I'm excited. I think Clark and I are going to celebrate 40 in a big way. Both of us have February, our February birthdays. You guys both turned in 40? Yes, Dan, we are. I'm not taking any announces. Dan, how old are you? How old are you, Dan? How old are you? How about that? Let's do that. Let's talk about how old Dan is. 34. No, never mind. I had to think about it for a second. Wait, seriously? Yeah, 87.
01:15:37
Speaker
Hey, you're as old as Alex. So now I don't feel so bad. So now I know how to talk to you from now on. All right, great. So overall, you guys, these has been fun. And I thought you were going to help us like rain it in and make it not go off the rails. We've been recording for like an hour and a half. Oh, there it is. We've been recording for two days. It's already Tuesday and I'm going to get fired from my job.
Beer Ranking and Preferences
01:16:06
Speaker
Let's see if you guys had to rank these beers. I know it's not really fair because Dan, I know you wanted to try and get the exact same style, but we didn't. And we've got.
01:16:16
Speaker
Excuse me, two beers that are the same style, one beer that is not the same style. If you guys wanna rank these beers, let's do it right now. Brandon, you go first. Rank these three beers. All right, I'm gonna go Dovetail, Metro, and Goldfinger. Thanks, I like it. I like it a lot. It's surprising to me, but Dan, what about you? I'm saving the best for last, baby, and that's me. That's not true. I just calling it out.
01:16:44
Speaker
So noting that I prefer darker loggers, I'm gonna go Dovetail, I think Goldfinger and the Metropolitan, but the gap between those last two isn't as big as Dovetail over the other two. Interesting, interesting, interesting. Yeah, I am in agreeance with you as far as Dovetail Goldfinger Metro. And the gap between
01:17:11
Speaker
dovetail and gold finger is not as big as it is for you. Those to me are closer. Like I said, the, what is it?
01:17:22
Speaker
Hyliostat. Sorry, I got lights everywhere in this dark room and just reflects off these cans and I can't read shit. It's not a beer for me. It's not a bad beer. It's just not a beer for me. I would definitely drink it again. I'm just not gonna go seek it out. I'm not gonna buy that. These two beers, I would buy again, especially the Dovetail one. The Dovetail one was around and I saw the Goldfinger one sitting on the shelf and there was no other Vienna Loggers around.
01:17:52
Speaker
Brandon, I wish that was a gif, or a gif as some of the kids. Oh, and then say anything with Dan. Dan being like, ooh, that's questionable scratching his head. I would choose the gold figure one if I needed to. So yeah, that's where I rank him. That's where I'm at. Dan, welcome to the show. Thank you for grabbing these beers for us.
Future Episodes and Brewery Trip Plans
01:18:12
Speaker
It's a good start to your tenure here on the Molting Hour. Actually, a good solid start. This was a good review.
01:18:20
Speaker
Yeah, I appreciate it. We've been talking about this for a while, so yeah. Well, well, your next episode that you've curated, which I think we'll be able to do soon. We're looking forward to that. We won't say it's the next one, because as I've learned from December's, you know, mixing up of episodes, there was some episodes that came up. We won't even tease it. They're Tampa Bay beers, man. He fucking bought beers in Tampa Bay. That's going to happen. It's going to happen. We don't know when it's going to happen. Just don't know when. Probably in February.
01:18:50
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We got to do it. Yeah, never mind. Off mic. Ooh, there's a serious conversation coming up. I can feel it. All right. You guys got anything else you want to say about these beers or these breweries other than you love them? Because honestly, all three beers were good. Yeah, it wasn't a bad beer. Just preference. I'm definitely craving tamales though. Do you need to go and choose? I want empanadas with Brandon.
01:19:19
Speaker
Okay, there we go. We do need to visit Metro. We do need to visit dovetail. That's like he. Does Goldfinger have? They have a taproom and everything out in Downers Grove. We did mention that, right? They do have an actual space, but location-wise and being easily accessible. The weather gets nice. I'd love to go sit on the patio for Metro.
01:19:47
Speaker
I was gonna say, what would be fun is springtime logger trip, you know, before- Tell them, hey, it was long recorded. Well, I mean, you know- Jar badges. Or we can just, you know, go as friends and not record it. I mean- Do you allow that, Tony? Not really. Most of the time, I actually, every time Brad and I have an idea, we're like, that sounds cool. Let's do an episode. Camping was not supposed to be an episode.
01:20:17
Speaker
But we brought stuff to record just in case. Just in case, yeah. Just like the Goose Island Shamrock episode. We were just going to drink that. Yes, that's right. And we're like, this is too good to not talk about. So I had to dig everything out.
01:20:34
Speaker
I did it so I think yes springtime. Let's go do. Let's do a quick and easy logger road trip where we maybe go visit some of these breweries and have a road trip. It's an afternoon. I have a couple beers.
01:20:49
Speaker
Dan, mainly before your time gets taken up, so we may have to do that sooner than later. You may not have time to go out on the weekends. Yeah, got it now? You get what I'm saying? I didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry, sorry. All right, any last thoughts from you guys?
Dan's Official Welcome & Social Media Engagement
01:21:07
Speaker
That part I can't edit out if you want me to. No, I was just gonna say thank you guys for formally inviting me and making me not special anymore.
01:21:18
Speaker
No, you're, you are special. You're not Clark. That makes you special. Like it's just, you're not, you're not a special guest anymore. You're now just a part of the multi hour team. Like Brandon and I never had any intention. And when we say team, I mean, we just let you, we ask if you're available. Brandon and I are still running this fucking show.
01:21:37
Speaker
We just ask you and Clark if you guys are available. We're gonna, as of the, you know, posting of this episode, I, you know, the bumper at the end of the episode is different. You're now included in it. Your name is probably added to most of the social media, but I don't think you're on the website because we don't really do much on the website. The fearsome foursome. Don't worry. The fearsome foursome. Oh man, I can't wait till all four of us are on our episode together. We're the fantastic four of beer.
01:22:07
Speaker
Because there's not enough podcasts where four straight white men are talking about beer. In episode. Brandon, I love you, man. Love you too, man. Dan, I love you too, man. Oh, man. Now I really, I'm starting to blush. All right. Well, thanks for doing this and being a part of this. We appreciate it. Yeah, no, for sure. And Clark, I love you too.
01:22:39
Speaker
What?
01:22:43
Speaker
This has been The Malting Hour. Be sure to follow us on all social media by searching The Malting Hour and at themaltinghour.com. You can also follow us individually on social media. Brandon can be found on Instagram as bmdub81, on Twitter, bdub81, and on Untapped as bdubdrinksbeer. Tony can be found on Instagram and Untapped under Ace of Help Chicago. On Twitter, The Ace of Help Chicago. Clark can be found as Clarkowski on all three.
01:23:11
Speaker
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