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(UNLOCKED) Episode 11 - The Top 10 Was a Lie? (ft. Misty)
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For a decade and a half, kids could tune into a channel available on basic cable and watch speedrunning video games. Or rather, maybe a few minutes of video games scattered amongst fifteen minutes of movie "reviews", expensive consumer hardware pushing, music previews, and everything that is either a top 5 or top 3, but never a top 10.
Why is it called "Video and Arcade Top 10" then? Listen to find out!
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Transcript
00:00:02
Speaker
Hello!
Show Rework and Personal Updates
00:00:03
Speaker
You may have noticed that we've been absent for the past few months. We've been busy with our personal lives and needed to take a break. We've been working on what to do with the show and have decided to rework it slight bit just to make something that we think that you'll find a bit better and works better for the both of us.
00:00:19
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In the meantime, please enjoy some of our bonus content we're making available for free, and we will see you soon.
Firearms and Constitutional Misconceptions
00:00:27
Speaker
I am a firearms owner, as are many in my family. And unfortunately, the my brothers-in-laws are the sort that have become a little bit Facebook and Fox News-brained.
00:00:42
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every now and then we'll slip up and start talking about their Second Amendment right. ah So that sort of begs the question. Like, we do have a constitution here.
00:00:53
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What is our Second Amendment to the constitution? oh It's covered in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, right? You know, I think something to do with provinces existing.
00:01:04
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ah No, the Second Amendment to our Constitution is from 1868, and it's the ratification of the Rupert's Land Act, which transferred all the land that the Hudson's Bay Company ruled over to the gu to the Dominion of Canada.
00:01:19
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So i in fact, do enjoy my constitutional rights. my constitutional right to ah go to the Yukon or Alberta and not be under the auspices of the Hudson Bay Company.
00:01:34
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Keep the Hudson's Bay Company's hands off my land. Yeah, exactly. now there's The plot thickens mildly because ah there also is another set of constitutional amendments.
00:01:48
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These proposed by primarily by the provinces, primarily the province of Quebec. And do you know what? I am a huge fan of that second amendment ah because in 1867, they deleted the oath of the allegiance to the Canadian monarch from the oath of office in Quebec's National Assembly.
00:02:11
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yo That's a good amendment. That is a fantastic amendment. I stan our second amendment. Was this as 2022? Or as late as 2022 rather? Yes. Holy or as late as twenty twenty two rather yes holy crap Yeah, they they started in 2022 and then Saskatchewan first act of 2023, which we do not stand.
00:02:34
Speaker
Oh, i think I know what you're talking about. The 2023 one. And yeah, um ah as he should have been thrown in jail for much longer for for that DUI charge because he killed somebody. ah The Saskatchewan First Act provides Saskatchewan autonomy with respect to all matters falling under its executive legal jurisdiction, which is ah bullshit.
00:02:54
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I love this country. Yeah. Yeah. all right. You want to start the show?
Introduction of Patreon Episode with Misty
00:02:59
Speaker
Sure.
00:03:02
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two, Boom.
00:03:07
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Hello and welcome to the Schoenigan Moments podcast. You know it's Heather and Tamarack. We don't need to introduce ourselves. This is a special Patreon-only episode. If you're listening to this, it either means, well, you're patron or pirated this.
00:03:22
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Or somehow, I guess, down the road we decide to unlock it because we can't record an extra episode during whatever time period we're in. But we have guest. have guest. We have a guest.
00:03:35
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Introduce yourself. Hi, my name
Impact of Canadian Content Regulations
00:03:39
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is Misty. I'm not a usual podcast speaker, but I feel it's my national duty to perform for CanCon when I'm called.
00:03:48
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And boy, do we ever have a lot to talk about with CanCon on this show, but we can only do them on the bonus episodes because our entire series, or rather show, on a CanCon. It is qualified as CanCon under the CRTC.
00:04:03
Speaker
But I guess to kind of give you all an idea here, when I say video games, what do you all first think of? I'm mildly poisoned because I still think of the subject of this show. LAUGHTER
00:04:21
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Misty, do you have anything?
00:04:24
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i just feel like it dates us that it immediately comes to mind. ah Well, growing up, all of elva rather all of us grew up in Canada. My myself grew up in Vancouver, Tamarack and Main Tear. Misty, where did you guys grow up?
00:04:38
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I grew up in Nova Scotia. So we've got two two spectrums of the country. We've full coastal coverage. Yeah, well, whole we forgot about the other coast, though.
00:04:49
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Sorry, we have two-thirds coastal coverage.
00:04:54
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Everybody seems to forget about the Arctic, you know? Like, we might have that one person that lives up in, like, was it Inuvik or Tuktuk or whatever.
Engagement with Territorial Residents
00:05:01
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If you live in any of the territories and want to be a guest, please please send us an email at mailbag at schwinnigmoments.ca. I will personally, like...
00:05:13
Speaker
Make certain you can be on the show if i if if you think the vibes are good. I'd be actually impressed if you could actually get broadband service up there that's good enough to do recording like this. and Fine, you could record offline and then just sneak your net it over.
00:05:29
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but Could you just imagine just doing a podcast by letter mail, like just sending USB sticks around by Canada Post and saying like having each bit of the conversation slowly being increased by like numbered WAV files?
00:05:43
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Or you send a single, like, ah not VHS, but ah like ah a recording, a tape recording around. Just keep keep ah keep adding to it.
00:05:55
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Well, I'm going to go play a little bit of a musical clip here. um Hopefully this doesn't get as dinged by any sort of copyright stuff. I don't think it will. But I'm certain that this is going to jumpstart the memories of many people who grew up watching youth television. So here we go.
00:06:35
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Welcome to Video Arcade Content, the only show around where you get to see the latest and greatest video games on planet Earth. Only on
Nostalgia for Video Arcade Top 10
00:06:41
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this show where you learn all there is to know about your absolute favorite video games. That's right. That is the opening bit from Video and Arcade Top 10.
00:06:51
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It is a TV show that basically had speedrunning on national television. Yes. And I also want to clarify for the audience. Professionally, i am a game developer.
00:07:02
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And still, when video games, like the word, enters my brain, this is where it goes.
00:07:11
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Now, I watched this show as a kid, but the did the both of you do so as well? I did. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this show definitely was on the air pretty much.
00:07:22
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I want to say it was on a couple times a week, but it originally aired on YTV, a.k.a. Youth Television, from September 1991 to November 2006, with a grand total of 768 episodes, making it one of the longest-running TV shows on English-language television in Canada.
00:07:39
Speaker
It's only bested by let's the CBC show Front Page Challenge, which, strangely enough, I think I made an appearance on when I was nine years old. Oh, wow. Yeah. If anyone is like trying to remember what this TV show is, if they're of a certain age, they'll remember it. It didn't last much longer when um the last host was on, which was um Jack Webster. And if you know who Jack Webster is, you definitely grew up in British Columbia.
00:08:03
Speaker
um True early claim to fame there. Yes. I actually got to meet Robert Munch on that show. So that was really cool. Yeah, that's why I have a huge affinity for Robert Munch.
00:08:14
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ah The premise of the show was to get competitors to get a high score or the furthest in a video game during the course of a half hour, or rather during the course of a half of the show, since they often would show two games.
00:08:25
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And for the first season, it was hosted by YTV personality or Yeah. Gordon Michael Wolbit
YTV's Evolution
00:08:31
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and he's most notable for his starring role in the syndicated TV show Andromeda alongside the likes of the Mel Gibson defending Christian film producer Kevin Sorbo we do not stand yeah no definitely don't stand I liked Andromeda it wasn't that bad of a show but it's tainted by Kevin Sorbo I trying to find out if ah if like PJ Gord was on anything else, but I couldn't i couldn't find anything.
00:08:56
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He's an acting school teacher these days. We're going to talk about him, though. Really? Yeah. All the subsequent seasons were hosted by Nicholas Pickles, which is, in fact, his real name. um But we'll get to that in a bit.
00:09:07
Speaker
For those of you who are not familiar with YTV... It first aired in Canada on September 1st, 1988, originally owned by Rogers Entertainment. On its first day, hosted a special by John Candy.
00:09:20
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so I think it had a live broadcast, which was not like live broadcast on YTVs existed when they had the zone, although um they recently got rid of their on-air personalities, I think about two years ago.
00:09:31
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So like YTV is definitely a shell of itself, but... and For Americans. That makes sense why there was like such a component of like the like you had like the cutaways to the PJs and like a lot of times they would kind of simulate like a larger studio or I think they even had like some either fake or real audience for some of the segments.
00:09:52
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that makes sense. We're going be talking about the audience in this show because it kind of shows like the decline of the series over time. um I have two audio clips I'm really interested in playing for you both. Potential future subject. The television game show Uh-Oh also has a similar thing. That would be so much fun to talk about.
00:10:11
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So Americans, if you're not familiar, you're still a bit lost on what YTV is, um just think of Nickelodeon. YTV was Canada's answer to Nickelodeon. And the main reason why it existed is because Nickelodeon could not exist in its current form or its contemporary form in 1991 due to rules enforced by the Canadian Radio Telecommunications Commission or the CRTC.
00:10:33
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which ensured that Canadian content had a share of broadcast, ah radio, cable, TV, that sort of thing. Some of the rules included that because YTV ended up having a lot of Canadian content, because 60% of it had to be made in Canada. Although ah in 2010, after review, it was lower to 55%. I imagine this was some sort of Harper decision.
00:10:53
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The other thing is that to qualify as made in Canada, it had to include like a producer who was a resident or a citizen of the country. Certain quotas for cast members and screenwriters all have to be Canadian. And other things included like roles within productions had to be credited to Canadians. So like producer and production manager.
00:11:11
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If you as an American have ever wondered why there are so many Canadians in like television and ah like TV animation in particular, this is why.
CRTC Rules on Media Production
00:11:23
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yeah and as a result that's also why 75 percent of production post-production is has to be done in canada like there's a lot of television made in canada and it's largely because we have these rules in place because there's a fear of being too americanized or whatever which uh in our in our open ah in our cold open has not been working so great yeah so what we're going to do is we're going to dive right in and let's, ah you gave me a sec, you gave me an audio clip and I might just use it for each part.
00:11:54
Speaker
Yeah, that was the point. Okay, well, let's do this.
Video Arcade Top 10 Episode Format
00:12:03
Speaker
All right. So you're welcome I have selected, goddammit, selected four episodes for us to watch. And I feel like they all demonstrate the sort of change in the show and all that.
00:12:17
Speaker
And I wanted to start off with what was labeled as episode one, but I suspect is probably later into the series because... They had things like letters and everything being read on air.
00:12:29
Speaker
But let's start this off here. So we're introduced to all the kids. Every kid gets introduced. And we also are like told, like, what are the prizes being given out? Like, ah we get a consolation prize given out to the kids. that The Game Handler.
00:12:44
Speaker
Have you all seen the Game Handler? The game handler? Yeah. Game handler. It's for the NES. it's It's like a one-handed controller. Let me, I'll drop this in the chat here. I did not. Here, here's an eBay listing for it.
00:12:57
Speaker
Oh, this thing. Oh, huh. Yes. so That's a weird plug. i'm sorry what it's got like this double-ended plug thing on the bottom oh i see what you mean i was thrown off by that statement that was that was not how i interpreted that either was like right that again okay thanks thanks thanks tamra yeah so this is the controller it's very strange looking this is this is one of the prizes and this is one of the things the kids aren't playing for money they are playing for
00:13:30
Speaker
They're playing for an opportunity to get something from the prize wall. And often they would have all sorts of weird prizes. And in this episode, we're playing Battle Clash SS6. And of course, I have purposely spelt it wrong because it's spelt wrong in the episode.
00:13:47
Speaker
So the SS6 stands for the Super Scope 6. Which I had. You had a Super Scope? You had a Super Scope? I had a Super Scope.
00:13:58
Speaker
like but you yeah it's uh okay the super scope is like the highest quality of the light guns of that era in the worst form factor fair enough bizarrely pinpoint precision on that sucker like it it was it was a really good system it just uh was unfortunate that it was in that form as a light gun ah it would have been wow perfect So we I didn't make mention of the video game, but do you know how long it took for them to start playing any video games on the on this 24-minute episode?
00:14:31
Speaker
It was like at the screaming end, no? No, it was four minutes
Gaming Tips and Tricks
00:14:35
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in. So four minutes in, we're finally seeing some people play video games. So they they spent the first four minutes just talking about who are the kids are. So that took about a minute.
00:14:45
Speaker
And then they introduced the game handler. And then finally, after that period of time, we've get to see some video game action. ah Yeah, ah sorry. this was the This was the one that I watched like way back and didn't didn't re-watch the night before.
00:15:00
Speaker
i like that they spent a bunch of time on the game handler, but they don't if they don't really spend a lot of time introducing the other weird controller that they're using, the Super Scope. They're just like, here you go kids. Fucking figure it out.
00:15:13
Speaker
yeah Here's a gun. Use it on TV. yeah the The interesting thing is is that we lasted about one minute And then we have it we go to Nicholas, Nicholas Piccolis, talking about a video game tip.
00:15:26
Speaker
Yes. And that segment lasts a little over a minute. Yeah, this sort of is like a, it's like a recurring segment that kind of becomes more topical where they like just cut away and talk about a tip.
00:15:39
Speaker
Sometimes not even for the game that is being featured. I think actually oftentimes not even a game that's featured. I didn't note the game, but did what was the game tip? Super Mario Land, something about it.
00:15:53
Speaker
Did any of you play Mario Land? I did. Yeah, I played Mario Land. I got my Game Boy too late. I had a Game Boy Color, so it was just a Pokemon machine. And still is. I didn't have my own copy, but it was one of those ones where, you know, you'd be trading cartridges with friends on the bus somewhere.
00:16:11
Speaker
Play a friend's copy. I didn't get Mario Land until, like, 1995, and I probably played through that game, like, a million times. I just heard somebody's Game Boy go on. Me! ah god damn it i it right here of course you do i have a living pokedex on pokemon red and blue oh dear so we go back to the game action and lisa is asking gourd about how to beat the game and what's interesting is these two have really awkward chemistry which are awkward it is awkward and and the main reason why it's awkward is because the two of them ended up starring in andromeda later
00:16:46
Speaker
Interesting. that They both have two distinctly very high quality genders, though, so I'm i'm willing to let it pass. And then finally, after another minute of them talking about how to beat the game, we go to talking about the Pioneer Laserdisc karaoke system.
Popularity of Laserdisc for Karaoke
00:17:02
Speaker
Yes! Misty, tell us about this. Yeah, so LaserDisc was the high-end video format of the ninety s It didn't hugely take off in North America, partly just because it was expensive to get the players. So it was for people who had a lot of money or who really cared about stuff. But karaoke was where it was really big. A lot of people who bothered getting LaserDisc at all did it because
00:17:34
Speaker
The really good karaoke was on there. Did they have like a data like a data layer on there that they're able to like put the lyrics on the tracks? Is that kind of why? So it's like it had multiple audio tracks, up to four audio tracks, up to four mono audio tracks or two stereo tracks on one disc. So you can switch between...
00:17:55
Speaker
versions with lyrics or versions without or you can have you know mix the audio level or what have you as you're playing kind of thing which is something you couldn't really do on VHS okay cool yeah so Lisa's gonna go over the Laserdiscs that were in the top five I didn't make a clip of this but I will play a clip in the next for the next episode but here are the top five movies starting in descending order white men can't jump Wayne's world The hand that rocks the cradle.
00:18:27
Speaker
The lawnmower man. And fried green tomatoes. I'm fascinated by these choices. i do i i admit i like I need to know who picks these. Because they do they do game ah like rankings as well. And like ah where do these come from?
00:18:46
Speaker
Who decides these? here's like the The age... Age rating for the like the show itself, it's clearly you targeted at, what, ages 7 to 12? Yeah.
00:18:57
Speaker
I'm going to make this worse for y'all because I posted about this on cohost.org about a year and a half ago.
Confusion Over Movie Ratings
00:19:04
Speaker
And it reflects the movies, but, like, white men can't jump as rated R. Yeah.
00:19:09
Speaker
And so is Lawnmower Man, I think. Also, I'm sure you have this in the script, but top five... top five well we're gonna be talking about why it's top 10 you're gonna notice a pattern as we go through this episode about why or rather there's like no top 10 at any point in this show no and like the video games aren't a top 10 aren't a top five either so it's not like they sum together to be a top 10 ten
00:19:40
Speaker
So here's our here's our trivia question for so you can win a laser disc or something. What TV show did Wayne's World premiere on? I have no fucking idea. And Saturday Night Live.
00:19:52
Speaker
Yeah, Misty got it right.
00:19:55
Speaker
You know, a show meant for children who stay up until 1130 watching Global. Yeah, no Laserdisc for me, which I think is honestly a blessing because like, okay, you get the player, but the discs themselves are really expensive. And chances are your parents have only VHSs.
00:20:13
Speaker
Misty, what's the MSRP on the Pioneer Laserdisc player or or any of these movies? and These higher end players would definitely be in the hundreds and hundreds of dollars. These weren't going to be cheap. and The movies were probably going to be like, what, $80?
00:20:31
Speaker
Buying VHS was expensive at the time, but most people were renting most of their movies. and Anyway, in most video stores were renting VHS. You had fewer options for renting something else. So it's...
00:20:45
Speaker
I don't know. i I'm sure they were just being sponsored by Pioneer to get this stuff out there. but Oh, they were. Oh, you are correct. like Why did Pioneer think this was the option to get these extremely expensive players and movies for adults in front of an audience of mostly young children?
00:21:09
Speaker
It does not get better. Yeah, like, why did they hawk Timex watches every single time? so They really were excited about Timex watches. They were.
00:21:21
Speaker
i mean, one of the later episodes, I i did note that they the people who are demoing the Timex watches looked like they being held at gunpoint.
00:21:33
Speaker
I think the last episode. Yeah, it's the last episode. It was also, ah after we get to this here, we it looks like Lisa and, or Lisa, excuse me, and Gordon make a goof here. And they're not even in the same spot when we segue into announcing the winner. So like, it's just a really strange cut, but just me nitpicking here.
00:21:49
Speaker
But like, after seeing a grand total of three minutes of gameplay from nobody in particular, we don't know who's playing whenever they show the game on screen, because they'll just show it the kids' faces and the game's jumping around, but they're never really synced.
00:22:00
Speaker
The most talkative child on stage, Michael is crowned as the winner. i have a theory as to why they're kind of just jumping around. I've played Battle Clash with the Super Scope.
00:22:13
Speaker
And let me tell you, they're all doing so bad. it it gets It gets so much worse in the next bit here. There's a reason why I'm focusing on the games here. I'll be honest. I remembered them how showing more gameplay footage in this show, but...
Speedrunning the Legend of Zelda
00:22:29
Speaker
Watching these episodes now, it's like, right, they cut to the game footage for a very short amount of time and then go off to do something else. Yeah, we'll, uh, we'll, I have some notes on another couple of games that I've played going on here that, like, it's just, it's just showing kids, like, having a struggle session and declaring one a winner is what Battle Clash is most definitely showing.
00:22:53
Speaker
So the kid actually ends up winning Super Scope, a game, I'm assuming it's Battle Clash because can't remember what I wrote down. yeah A Timex watch, which advertises as useful for scuba divers and activity I'm sure all of these kids enjoy. And then we segue to Lexa to give us a Nintendo News update where she says Wario.
00:23:12
Speaker
Yes. That jumped out at me. Wario. I've heard the ah bunch of weird pronunciations, but I've never heard Wario before. Wario, a couple times it gets flubbed as Warrior. Warrior. And also ah and Mario.
00:23:29
Speaker
Mario's not that bad. mary is Mario and Mario, I can kind of let it slide because people will say the name Mario and Mario interchangeably, and I don't think it matters.
00:23:39
Speaker
Yeah, at at the very least, like before I heard it from an official source, Mario is what I called it. So picking up on the on the inverted M, Wario is like not an unreasonable way to say it, I guess.
00:23:54
Speaker
Now that we have finished playing one game, we can play another. What game do you think we could finish in three minutes? That's kind of a top down game that'll fit into the show. yeah Not one that they picked.
00:24:08
Speaker
So you say that, but they did pick Legend of Zelda Link to the Past. And I said as just Legend of Zelda ah Link to the Past. It is a game that is famously beatable in 30 minutes or the three minutes that they possibly give the kids this time. However, as a former speed runner, I can tell you, you can beat the Legend of Zelda in under three minutes.
00:24:29
Speaker
But not the way that these children were given the chance to play. yeah Exactly. They sort of, I think yeah i think during this episode, i think Lisa implies when she's introducing the game that they're just trying to get to Sanctuary, but then they start enumerating the rest of the game and in probably the first of what I would consider the true, like...
00:24:52
Speaker
here is a bunch of kids having a struggle session over the early parts of the game while they talk about what you do in the late game. And like, nah, these kids are going to get Zelda to Sanctuary and that's basically all they got time for. and the both of you played this game, right?
00:25:06
Speaker
Oh yeah. I have a poster for it. The original poster that I got when I bought it with my own money. have my original shirt too. So we do get introduced to more kids. They're seemingly older and more talkative. The children in the earlier were sort of just short on words they had to say.
00:25:21
Speaker
Yeah, they were all like, high, like, but clearly intimidated to be up on stage, which fair. That is a literal nightmare I've had. Would you say that this game is linear? No, I'm I'm hoping that they gave them some direction. So sure, they definitely gave them some direction. Gort tell us that the goal was to get the furthest in the adventure.
00:25:45
Speaker
Everyone did figure out to go to the castle, though, or at least everyone that they showed. They saved everyone else, maybe. Possibly. So this time the consolation prize is a Timex watch and a copy of Key to the Kingdom, a board game. And a winner will get a copy of this game, I guess. They'll get themselves a copy of Legend of Zelda linked to the past. Not the legend, just legend.
00:26:05
Speaker
or We're but basically about one minute in and we finally get to see the Zelda game being played. And we get to see the sequence of getting the sword twice. So I can assume that we're seeing multiple players all at once.
00:26:18
Speaker
And this lasts for about a minute before we go to another fucking segment. But this time it's Nicholas Pickles talking about music.
Critique of Music Segments
00:26:26
Speaker
Yes. And this is where I get to kind of talk about some of the stuff I've noticed about the music that they show on here.
00:26:33
Speaker
This is a track called These Are the Days by 10,000 Maniacs before Natalie Merchant ah departed the band two years later. I vaguely remember 10,000 Maniacs. I don't think either of you have list have heard of this band before.
00:26:46
Speaker
The name rang a bell, but also a lot of this was like, well, that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. It's a good name, but I can't remember a thing about them. Let me meet Nene Cherry's m was it money lover. I think it's money. Love. I think it's called money. Love.
00:27:03
Speaker
Oh no, that's right. They misspelled it as Moner love. Yes. Yes. yes I was like reading my notes here and going like, why did I write down motor love? And then I see in parentheses, money, love.
00:27:14
Speaker
This is also where I wrote in in my notes when I was watching this. Does does the editing and proofreading get better? And the answer is episode three. So Nanny Cherry is actually the stepdaughter of Dawn Cherry.
00:27:32
Speaker
Interesting. That's one of the things you really have to clarify when we're talking Canadians here. Yeah, okay, so not that, Sherry, the American jazz musician.
00:27:44
Speaker
Wait, wait, wait, trip strap, trip strap. I don't have that clip in here. No, because I didn't, I didn't want to, because I feel like that's rude to Don Cherry.
00:27:55
Speaker
that's fair. That's fair. Don Cherry, Canadian of Hockey Night in Canada fame does suck. Yeah. At some point we'll do an episode on him. I think that'd be a really interesting time.
00:28:07
Speaker
We have a trivia question for this one as well. And again, I really expect 11, 12 year olds to get this question. Who originally wrote the song? I've got you under my skin. Oh, I've read it in the notes, but I was going to guess Cole Porter.
00:28:22
Speaker
Yeah, well, it's apparently it's Frank Sinatra. But yeah, assume what I wrote here is i assume and that is what they were probably expecting. But it was actually Cole Porter who wrote it. And Frank later popularized it.
00:28:33
Speaker
This man didn't live past the 1960s. And I doubt he is the answer. Yeah, this is this is the weird the weird musical trivia that you pick up when you listen to songs in Fallout and you're like, oh, this is kind of nice.
00:28:46
Speaker
This pen's also made. So, music in this show is fucked up. I'm just going to put this out there. You start to notice this in later episodes. I didn't put the one in particular in our selection just because I've already written about it online, but... Back in about a year and a half ago, i was commenting on one of the albums they chose to give away to the kids.
00:29:08
Speaker
And it basically had songs about just having sex with your girlfriend, which famously, know, 11 and 12 year old boys are going to like completely understand the nuances of the lyrics in this song, yeah in this album.
00:29:22
Speaker
So just weird things like there's all of the music that they show in here has strange connections. Yeah. Nicholas also struggles with the name Ray Doss being shown on the teleprompter. Like he just kind of slips on this and they didn't edit it out. Or I guess they just kind of figure out how to edit it and they just left it in. Oh, this is ah this is clearly a ah first take, first take last take yeah television show. Yeah.
00:29:47
Speaker
So we're back to game action and we're still in the fucking dungeon, but we have rescued the prison or sorry, we have rescued the princess and we get to see more game action for one minute and 20 seconds. I actually timed it, but it is time for letter time, but I'm not going to play the clip because i don't, because I don't believe it's Nicholas reading it. think it's Gord.
00:30:08
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And wow yeah we're going to talk about Gord in a moment here. So the letter asks, what is Lexa's favorite actor or actress? And apparently the answer is Jodie Foster. Gord's favorite game is Final Fantasy.
00:30:20
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Solid answer. Lisa is torn between Guns N' Roses' Welcome to the Jungle and Long Hot Summer by Style Council as her favorite songs. Those are two very different songs. Yeah.
00:30:32
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Style Council is not and and not a thing I would expect anyone to know and these days. Especially knowing that later on she would go on to be like a bog standard global news news anchor.
00:30:44
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I know. um and then of course Rush Nicholas's favorite music group. Sure, fair enough. Honestly, if if you if i if I had to look at him and know the year that he was like active in media and guess, you know, that would probably be like within my first like three guesses. He seems like a Rush guy.
00:31:05
Speaker
He is. If you look at his Instagram, um he actually but has something from Rush on there. And then finally, we so we swing into the top selling games based on whatever the hell it is. top how many? many, indicate it the top house Heather?
00:31:19
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Top selling games. What did say? No, no, I've because there's not 10 of them. Oh, yeah, no, that's you know they didn't even number them.
00:31:30
Speaker
Each of these games is worth 3.33 games. Yeah, it's not even divisible! Like, do top five, like you did with the songs. Well, it's Super Mario Land, Street Fighter 2, and there's no space between Street and Fighter, so it's just Street Fighter, and The Legend of Zelda, but we don't know which one. Is it for the n NES?
00:31:51
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Definitely not for the n NES, because that one that one took a while to pick up. So, now we're going to go do a movie review. and We haven't we barely seen any video game stuff here. Well, it's video and arcade, so maybe it's... our Movies, arcades?
00:32:07
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So, have any of you seen Eric the Viking? No. No. You've all been saved pure pain. It's bad. You've seen it. i I have seen a lot of Terry joe Jones movies.
00:32:20
Speaker
This movie was released in 1989 and yet was being reviewed in despite having been released on VHS in This becomes a pattern. Oh, I okay, so I assumed that base, especially based upon some of the other ones that they were reviewing it because it was newish on VHS, because they seem to be like very focused on like the stuff you could get now because they never really played like they always played games that have been out for a little bit and reviewed songs that were kind of in circulation at the time, at least according to my ah memory of the show.
00:32:55
Speaker
what What made the segment rather annoying was that they just played a clip from the movie and that wasn't the review. And they just went and just said, oh, yeah, this is, you know, a Terry Jones movie, blah, bla blah, blah, blah. don't even think they mentioned this. But what they ended up doing is like they just advertised Butterfinger, the candy bar. Twice.
00:33:12
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Twice. And then and also Jumbo Video, which did not exist out here in the West Coast, but was an Ontario video chain. And this took up a minute and like 20 seconds or a minute and 15 seconds, something like that.
00:33:24
Speaker
And then, of course, we have the question. Every segment has to have a question that you can write in for and get a prize. What country was Eric the Viking from? Statehood didn't exist as a concept.
00:33:35
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That is literally what I wrote in the notes. ah Yeah. you
00:33:41
Speaker
Like the concept of statehood did not exist during the 8th to 11th centuries. I don't know how you would define this. Especially in Scandinavia. I'm sure Jumbo Video getting... Like... Oh, I was just going to say, I'm sure Jumbo Video is getting great value for the sponsorship here.
00:33:56
Speaker
Well, most of their audience for this show is admittedly in Toronto. We had them over in Halifax. Oh, did you? Okay, they weren't a thing on the West Coast. I think... um Because I think Rogers... Well, we'll talk about that moment. of Rogers Video ended up sponsoring this, and they weren't coast to coast, to the best of my knowledge. actually... I'm going to be a contrarian. I think Jumbo Video is probably the only company that sponsored this that got shit all out of the show probably because like advertising high-end laserdisc players like butterfingers i don't know about your parents my parents were gonna weren't gonna buy me junk food least not on the rag and not out of like impulse watching a show in our fucking house way outside of town but a video rental place yeah
00:34:46
Speaker
Now that we're out of the the movie segment about, you know, the question of statehood, we have crowned our king and but we have no idea who got the furthest, um like game wise, because they just show the pause window, like the items window.
00:34:59
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like this is, again, a part of their weird, like, not actually showing gameplay, that it's ah very unclear who got where or what. Pretty much. Also, if they judged it based upon who got the most items in Legend of Zelda, going to the castle and rescuing the princess is, like, the worst way to do it.
00:35:20
Speaker
Once you get the lamp and the sword, you peace Yeah.
00:35:25
Speaker
This is what makes us weirder is the winner got a copy of the game plus a speed board for an n NES controller. Weren't they playing a Super Nintendo game? Yes. And some sort of joystick for flight simulators. Like this is the prizes were just all over the fucking map here. I think it's whatever they either like the production coordinators could pick up cheaply or whatever shit their sponsors just dumped on their doorstep.
00:35:47
Speaker
I'm not sure about early on, but later on, it seems like it was definitely the latter, not the former. Hmm. Despite Nintendo being a sponsor of the show, including during the sponsorship segments, they show a photo of a Magnavox CD-i system behind a CompuCenter logo, which I understand was a Toronto area computer store chain. Misty, you lived in Toronto briefly. Did they exist but when you were there?
00:36:09
Speaker
Don't think they did anymore at that point. Or if they did, I didn't really see them. Yeah, I don't know much about it personally myself. But yeah, I guess it works because Zelda was on the CDI alongside Mario. But this is 1992.
00:36:22
Speaker
<unk>ew So does that still
Nintendo and Philips Partnership
00:36:24
Speaker
work? I don't know. I feel like that's right around the time of that particular sponsorship or partnership or whatever. Like, that's pretty much right when Nintendo canceled their own CD system and did the Philips thing, right? Yeah.
00:36:37
Speaker
and Okay, alright, alright, alright. I have a new theory of which Legend of s Zelda they are in fact referring to and it's Wand of Gamelon. No! Do not mention those three Zelda games. One of them is like just a pure Link game.
00:36:57
Speaker
going back to the laser disc thing, because Mr. You who would have had this system, but they did mention um that during the pioneer segments that you could play games on the laser active systems.
00:37:07
Speaker
And you've had one of these. ma so They mentioned the laser active. Yeah, I do actually have one. It's, It's Laserdisc player with a weird expansion port on the front. And in that expansion port, you can put in a game module that one of them's for Sega that takes Genesis games and one of them's for Neck that takes TurboGrafx games. They can play the cartridge or CD games, but they can also play special games that came on Laserdiscs instead of CDs or cartridges.
00:37:33
Speaker
It's an extremely weird system that very, very few people ever played. I think even fewer people who bought them actually bought them for games. I know the guy I got mine from bought it because you could do karaoke using the Sega module and he never once played a single game on it. He exclusively used it for karaoke.
00:37:53
Speaker
And having played this machine, it is very strange. I think I played one of the Laserdisc games with was like a shooter or whatever. Yeah, probably. There are some good games for it, but it has a lot of very strange games overall and not very many of them.
00:38:06
Speaker
So my my question as a game developer is, and I suspect the answer is they didn't. how did they like How did they deal with like load times of pulling things off of discs?
00:38:17
Speaker
The load time is actually about the same as it is off of a CD. Your read speed is the same as on a single speed CD drive for data. So it's not actually that bad. Okay, so same as early PS1 games, basically. Yeah, exactly. Or like Sega CD or whatever.
00:38:32
Speaker
That is an episode from season one of Video and Arcade Top 10. And it feels rough. I actually believe that this might have been the first episode that was aired. They might have done some like live, like have people write in or something, or maybe they faked the letters. But like
Gord's Departure from Video Arcade Top 10
00:38:49
Speaker
the the chemistry between the hosts and kind of all the weird gaffes and flubs strikes me as these folks didn't know what the fuck they were doing. like They were very new this.
00:38:59
Speaker
So i I went down a rabbit hole after this episode. And the main reason for this is that Gord was only on this season. And he was eventually he departed.
00:39:10
Speaker
And Nicholas Piccolis took over. And I really wanted to know, well, what was the story behind this? And then also a really interesting part is who the hell is Robert Essary? Because at the end of every episode, they would say that Video in Arcade Top 10 is produced by a REO, the Robert Essary organization.
00:39:29
Speaker
And that is a brain worm that I've had in my head for since I've watched this damn show as a child. And I really wanted to know what the hell a REO was. So um one of the claims when researching whatever happened to Gord or really Gordon was that he simply stopped showing up to work.
00:39:45
Speaker
Based. And then Gordon's website, which is why I know he's a um acting teacher, is that unfortunately, the producer was a verbally abusive jerk to the whole cast and crew.
00:39:57
Speaker
So I quit the show after one season. Ironically, he was nice to me, but I didn't agree with how he treated everybody. So I made my stand and walked off the show. Given how many female staff rotate out on the regular on this show, I it i think i can I can understand what was happening there.
00:40:15
Speaker
None of the female staff last more than a season. well there's something that There's some that lasted a lot longer than that. I'm just thinking of the global news reporter that or news person.
00:40:27
Speaker
She was out after season two. Was she? Yeah. No. Okay, well. She hung on the longest. And like she worked for Global, so she had stamina for that kind of shit. So the statement was a bit strange because if you look at the credits for the episode reviewed, the producer was Mimi Shea, whose only credit for TV was apparently this show across two seasons.
Mimi Shea's Career Transition
00:40:47
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um She would end up working media roles for Rogers Communications and elsewhere for a few years and appears to now be a real estate agent somewhere in the suburbs of Toronto. Of course, this is where all the psychopaths go. Yeah.
00:40:59
Speaker
I want to be careful and not label somebody on here as a psychopath, especially considering I have family members who work in real estate, so I'm careful about that. ah Fair. I'm just, i'm I'm poisoned from all the Layla Yang ads I get on YouTube now, thanks to you. Layla Yang is someone else. God damn it, I can't believe we're talking about her again.
00:41:16
Speaker
um So she would later be replaced by Deborah Essary, leading me to believe that the person he was talking about could be Robert Essary, husband of Deborah and both the creator of this show and the namesake of the company, Robert Essary Organization or REO, which happens to be graffitied all over the fucking set.
00:41:36
Speaker
That's... That's weird. It's strange. The YTV branding slowly encroached over everything. But yeah. And the the other thing is that he is also could be talking about and I don't want to name this person, though he's in the show notes. He was claimed to be by Nicholas Pickles to be the lead producer for the first five seasons, but before leading for the European division of major game console company. But basically, Wolvet was no longer host because of a dispute.
00:42:02
Speaker
So that part is true. Like we know what or reason the reason why Wolvet left because he was unhappy with yeah and what's going on in the set. And we know that he just desherzoned the fuck out of there.
00:42:15
Speaker
Fuck off. so And and we we we support this behavior. So who the hell is Robert Esri and what is REO? And the strange thing that ah REO is a company is that only two shows were ever credited to him.
00:42:31
Speaker
And they were Video and Arcade Top 10 and a sister show also on YTV called Clips. I vaguely remember this one. I don't remember that one at all. So it was a movie trivia show in a similar format to that of VNA Top 10.
00:42:46
Speaker
For whatever reason, also got airtime in India. and And that's about as far as I know about it. i I found one screenshot of it. I do not know much more. And of course, it's clips with a Z. So of course, you're not going to be able to like just search for it on Google and find something relevant. There's no episodes of it um floating out there to the best of my knowledge. I would love to know how you would do a VNA top 10 style show, but just movies, because I kind of feel like this is basically clips.
00:43:13
Speaker
So REO also was kind of an enigma as even its own website, according to the Internet Archive, just displayed a list of files despite being captured in 2001, 2004 and 2007, a year after the show ended. Like it just there was an REO website.
00:43:28
Speaker
And yeah, so like you. OK, you just dropped this in the chat. Like that's the only screenshot of this show that exists. Yes, I do. I do remember this show. it was for a hot minute, though.
00:43:39
Speaker
That's weird because it stylizes Zed. And I have to wonder if this is actually a different show. Maybe. Are there two Canadian? No, this might be an American show. isis This looks American to me. never mind.
00:43:52
Speaker
ah Yeah. Yeah, yeah. so like again, like this is why it's hard to find anything about it. And also it was is think comes from like 1995. And the IMDb claims it's from 93. So I think they're different shows.
00:44:03
Speaker
Okay, fair. But I might have caught this on reruns on like Fox Kids or something. So while I couldn't find much at all about Robert, um I did mention Deborah Essary, or rather Deborah Kelly, who is credited in multiple roles as producer, writer and host, including a show called Diagnosis MD, which was hosted on the Life Network here in Canada from 2001 to 2006. Interesting.
00:44:25
Speaker
saying And so I watched a whole episode of this show because I wanted to know what the hell this is about. And it's very boring. she This is an episode where she had three different dermatologists.
00:44:38
Speaker
And it was like them having a conversation about skin stuff, like anything regarding skin health. And it was like, you know, it was like a 2000s medical show that aged as well as any shows of its kind could.
00:44:52
Speaker
Before you've got like the the TLC style, like high action, like emergency room shows. the The thing is, though, annoyingly is the show um had its ah credits clipped.
00:45:06
Speaker
So despite the fact that it was something like 30 minutes or whatever, ah there was no credits available because whoever uploads YouTube just felt like it wasn't needed. So I have no idea if Aria was attached to this.
00:45:18
Speaker
no do not clip out the credits we need that for important archival reason there was a couple other shows uh that were attached to deborah there was a show called the destructo brothers of toe on the run another game show not the um uh not the reviews on the run but just on the run it was called an anti-game show where viewers could dial an 800 number to win money And by guessing where the brothers were, they could find where the treasure was buried or something like that. There was only 13 episodes made and the prizes were evaluated around $10,000, which probably made it more costly in the V&A Top 10.
00:45:57
Speaker
Especially since V&A Top 10 was clearly giving away stuff that was free from sponsors. I don't know about you, but I've seen a lot of these type shows growing up like in the 2000s and they were all bad.
Deborah Essary's TV Involvement
00:46:09
Speaker
Except Uh-Oh. Uh-Oh was fantastic. There's a few other shows she did. There were the sort of shows you would see him on home and garden television, HDTV. But here's the thing. We don't know much about Robert.
00:46:20
Speaker
We know I know things about his wife and he died in 2013. He only had two shows attached to his name based on everything I could find. There might be more, but, you know, like the Canadian media landscape is kind of less documented in some ways than the Americans. Right.
00:46:36
Speaker
This is one of those enigmas. Yeah, there's a bunch of figures like this that, like, are... Usually they're a bit more well-known, or, like like, there's at least a little bit more about them, because the Canadian media media ecosystem is still quite a small community. Did either of you watch Andromeda on that? ah Just going back to... no i didn't.
00:46:56
Speaker
I did. do you like it? I recall thinking it was alright, but also I was like... what 10 it's one of those gene roddenberry shows that was written on the back of a napkin and then somehow morphed into this Yeah, like i I remember liking it, but also it might have just been because like I really liked The Next Generation and it was another show like that.
00:47:21
Speaker
Gord ended up going to be a star on Andromeda alongside Luxa Doig. I think Doig is how to say her last name, who was also in this V&A Top 10 episode we were just talking about.
00:47:32
Speaker
And like, I thought it was OK. I liked it was on the air, but I don't think I'd rewatch it now. Like it doesn't really jive with me. The other thing is, is Lisa Fromer, who was also on this show, went on to host the morning show at a global studios in Toronto and then did breakfast television on City TV, plus a whole slew of other media appearances. Apparently she did some time on a channel in Alberta and all that sort of thing.
00:47:52
Speaker
Yeah. her Her Wikipedia page says she's currently a speaker for Keynotes, like Keynotes Canada or whatever. But I checked her website and she is not listed. Hmm.
00:48:04
Speaker
what where do Where do retired or former media darlings go after they're no longer you know confined to the likes of Bell Media or Chorus? Usually once they leave Global News, they start like writing for the the National Post opinion column.
00:48:24
Speaker
I don't want to put that on Lisa. so she She didn't, so that's that's good. We don't want to talk about the National Post. fucking conservative rag that's the whole thing about gourd and reo i honestly it's amazing how little information there is about this organization and yet somehow it was proudly said at the end of every episode um i'll never understand it so we're gonna jump ahead two seasons and we are going to have n sixty four games Yeah, well, sort of.
Introduction of Nintendo 64 Games
00:48:56
Speaker
What you mean sort of?
00:48:57
Speaker
Well, Donkey Kong Country 3 is for the Super Nintendo. Yeah, I know. But, oh, wait, you're correct. You know, I realized what you're talking about here. It hasn't come out just yet. Fair enough.
00:49:08
Speaker
i This is what happens when um I have the worst memories of what happened in the 90s, because, you know, the do any of you remember anything from the 90s? I was... mean I remember a few things from the ninety s I in 1989, so no, not really.
00:49:21
Speaker
born in nineteen eighty nine so no not really What is memory from the 90s? This show. This show's from the 90s. I spent half of it being ages one through four.
00:49:35
Speaker
Well, we open up with this episode about Nintendo vans coming out to your home as a mail-in prize. Yes. Do any of you know what this Nintendo van is? I stared at it covetously when it was when it was advertised, but I never saw it in person.
00:49:51
Speaker
Mm-hmm. The Nintendo van was a thing that showed up to the P&E, which is ah from our last episode. And and the van would show up to various events and you could just play, the you know, the latest NES games, sorry, SNES games and Nintendo 64. One thing I'm going to do here is I'm going to play a small clip and I want you to remember this.
00:50:14
Speaker
And for a episode that's going to give coming up a little bit later. Congratulations bud. Don't move the muscle when we come back. Well, we'll answer with our turning superstar champ and much more.
00:50:33
Speaker
ah yeah, it was Kirby. It was Kirby All-Stars. They're playing this second game. So this is important because um this should give me you an idea of what the audience is like at this point. I feel like this is kind of where the show has its peak popularity.
00:50:45
Speaker
What you see in the audience is mostly young boys between the ages of nine and 13. I think I saw one girl or, you know, anyone that was coded that way in the audience. And the prizes for for third and fourth place were just some t-shirts as opposed to some trashy video game accessory. And they were just branded with V&A Top 10 with Backstage Pass on the front, which was just a clothing store in Toronto. And they sold like wallets and streetwear. And sometime around the 2000s, they died off. The runner up gets tickets to some sort of virtual reality experience at the CN Tower, which is a short 15 minute ride from the studio and some Game Boy themed liquid soap with the screen depicting some aspirational art from Donkey Kong land.
00:51:27
Speaker
And the first prize is a copy of the game Donkey Kong Country 3 Dixie Kong's Double Trouble in a snazzy digital watch from Timex. Always from Timex. Also, i also want to note, we have an entirely new apart from Nicholas Pickles, who's now been promoted to host, we have an entirely new cast of the other ah people on the show, the other hosts of the show.
00:51:49
Speaker
And the second thing I want to note is, holy crap, is Anthony ever fucking jacked? It's time to play some video games. Room full of sapphics.
00:52:00
Speaker
fuck Three seasons ago, we only we got a grand total of six minutes of any video game. And surprisingly, we got two minutes here. I believe what we say the game was Donkey Kong Country 3. Yeah.
00:52:14
Speaker
And then we cut to a minute long segment offering hints on playing a baseball game release for the Game Boy. And then immediately we jump back to playing games. Yes, and nobody, like, they're playing Donkey Kong very badly. Nobody's speed climbing up ropes. Nobody's running on the ground.
00:52:29
Speaker
Even as the narration is talking about how you can hold a to run as one of their, like, tips over the over the gameplay, nobody's doing it. it's It's hard to watch.
00:52:40
Speaker
I have to and to look away. Misty, you've played this game, I believe, right? Long time ago, but yeah. Yeah, I seem to recall like these sort of games are a little bit meaner than they need to be.
00:52:52
Speaker
Which makes them an unfortunate choice for a live competition, but it makes sense where they ended up at. Yeah, DKC 2 is probably the least overtly cruel out of the trilogy, but yeah, 3 is probably the least forgiving of the trilogy, I would say. ah you need You need to give those t-shirts away somehow.
00:53:14
Speaker
Plus it has the open world, which makes things astronomically worse for the for the kids playing. Wait, is it actually not linear like the other games? It is not linear. oh I think they didn't know the first area is, I recall, and none of these guys appears to have gotten out of the first area.
00:53:31
Speaker
That doesn't shock me This like segment lasts about a minute and 10 seconds, but now it's time for more to laser discs. Yep. And I'm just going to play the clip because I actually have this part in here.
00:53:45
Speaker
Let's take five and pop in with Anthony with the Pioneer Top Five. These are the best laser discs on the market today and we'll bring them straight to you. The Pioneer Top 5 this week looks like this. At number 5, Evening Star widescreen. Number 4, Terminator 2 widescreen. At number 3, Godfather 3 widescreen. In second place, Godfather 2 widescreen. And at number 1, Godfather 1 widescreen. You're line to ask with a couple of Pioneer laser discs if you send the correct answer to this question. Who is the Terminator?
00:54:10
Speaker
Get your answers and now Raoul Wonka of Perry Sound. My man, you'll get a couple
Unusual Laserdisc Movie Selections
00:54:15
Speaker
of discs for knowing that the dinosaurs are the pre-star creatures that are featured in the Lost World Jurassic Park. could get Did you catch the trivia question at the end for the answer? Who is the Terminator? No, not the Terminator, the Jurassic Park one.
00:54:29
Speaker
It's very difficult question. I mean, is the Terminator a who? It's a robot. Does it have personality? So this list is fucking stupid because first of all, everything's labeled incorrectly.
00:54:42
Speaker
Evening Star is the only movie that is on this list that isn't rated Yeah. Also, again, who is picking these? Someone who likes The Godfather, apparently.
00:54:53
Speaker
Also, The Godfather to watch all three movies. child. as a child As a child, do you know how long these movies would take to watch all three?
00:55:03
Speaker
They take at least an hour longer than you would think they would, each of them. Have any you seen the Godfather movies? I have, but it's been a long time. Yeah, you know, I've never actually seen them somehow. It would take you 11 hours.
00:55:16
Speaker
Yeah, it's ah the Lord of the Rings the extended trilogy of their day. Except you got to deal with mobsters. I guess that's actually about the same movie series. um Also, what is the fucking answer to who is the Terminator? Like, do you say Robert Patrick or T-1000?
00:55:30
Speaker
You know, I almost worry that they would end up saying like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Yeah, well, he is a Terminator in Terminator 2 and realistically is probably the Terminator referred to in the title Terminator 2 because it's the sequel to the first Terminator and has Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator in it.
00:55:51
Speaker
Here's the thing. you would You can enter to win these Laserdiscs, right? Yeah. What happens if you win them and your parents don't let you win or sorry watch movies? Yeah. r rated movies That's a good question. i think my parents... Well, actually, my parents forbade me from watching R-rated things, but also didn't check.
00:56:11
Speaker
But yeah, I think you just, you just, congratulations, you won your parents an 11 hour meditation on power structures and hierarchy. My parents would not let me watch The Simpsons growing up.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah, same, same. Yeah. Surprising number of kids I feel like got to watch these kinds of movies back in the day, but advertising them on TV is maybe a different thing. On youth television, less. Yeah.
00:56:35
Speaker
Yeah, like, I don't... You couldn't run a commercial for The Godfather on YTV, yet here they are advertising The Godfather on YTV. You wouldn't advertise a trailer for The Godfather of any of The Godfather movies on YTV because it wouldn't be the demographic that would go out to a movie theater to see it. Well, so just like... Because YTV had like its guidelines of what rating everything could be and trailers have the same rating as they're the material they're a trailer for.
00:57:05
Speaker
Like, The Godfather Part 3 came out in 1990. Yeah, that that's the other thing. Apart from, I think, Terminator 2, none of these are contemporary films?
Late Home Video Releases
00:57:16
Speaker
I think Evening Stars. What did Evening Star come out? 1996. I feel like that's the thing with a lot of these kinds of movies from this period, though. It's a bunch of stuff that's getting released on home video way, way after it had actually come out, or getting new editions or whatever. So it's not that shocking to me, but... Yeah, like like ah like the Star Wars trilogy's kind of second lease on life with the release of the VHSs.
00:57:41
Speaker
Yeah, i think I think there's a level of unfairness on my part, I guess, in this situation here, because um these days we're kind of spoiled for movies being released on streaming services, what, nearly three months after they're at the box office.
00:57:54
Speaker
ah You know, I'm a collector of 4K Blu-ray discs, and those movies tend to come out like two to three months after the movies in theaters. it I guess when you look back in the 90s, the idea of having a film being sent to VHS or Laserdisc in this case, or even DVD, because DVDs were coming out around the time or not too long after this episode came out, although I think DVDs were 97, so I might be mistaken.
00:58:17
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But the idea of having movies released so quickly after they've come out maybe is is relatively new, I guess you could say. yeah I feel like, that yeah, they had... the The real thing, I guess, is that movies were getting released somewhat recently on video, but also there were decades and decades of movies that had come out when home video wasn't a thing, or when keeping a movie in print on video was less of a thing. So it makes sense to me. There was like a whole lot of back catalogue getting released alongside new movies. Yeah, and like... Godfather Part 1 and Part 2 came out in 72 74. So...
00:58:54
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oh which where there was no VHS then. Yeah. And like the other the other part of this that maybe is just my experience growing up outside of one of the major centers of Canada, like you you also have to factor in like, sure, this maybe came out on VHS a couple of years ago, but does your local blockbuster or independent video rental place even have it?
00:59:18
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um Like, did they get it when it came out? Or are they lagging a little bit behind? My blockbuster lagged a couple weeks or months behind for sure. Like we didn't get new new releases.
00:59:29
Speaker
So we're gonna go back to the video games because ah this is that is what supposedly the show focuses on.
Prize Wall Mechanics Explained
00:59:34
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ah It does not. But go on. um His studio. So we have a kid and his studio audience partner who happens to be a girl has won a copy of DKC three. Yeah.
00:59:45
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yeah But new to the seasons, we have the option to win some prizes from the prize wall, which includes a bunch of, you know, stuff from Milton Bradley and Naki. If any of you are familiar with Naki's accessories.
00:59:57
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um One thing I didn't mention is that there was always a studio audience partner and a play at home partner. And the idea is that whoever somebody is like paired with the person on the screen and supposedly they would win whatever the kid who just played the video game. yeah Hardcore the same game.
01:00:13
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Hardcore playing with the unplugged controller vibes. Yes. So what would happen with the prize ball is the kid would be given a blindfold and they would go and try and grab a ball from the from this bucket.
01:00:25
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And if it was a red ball, they can take whatever they want. Otherwise, it's numbered and they are given the prize. Yeah. And the kid ends up winning a knocky Game Boy cool screen, which is just a screen protector and a fancy border for your Game Boy.
01:00:37
Speaker
I think it feel like that kind of Game Boy accessory was super common and popular at the time. I think it's a magnifier with a solar front light. so it's it's yeah The original Game Boy was backlit. Well, if you're playing outside, I guess it's different. but The original Game Boy was not backlit. The original Game Boy was not lit.
01:00:55
Speaker
Was it not? No. and The Game Boy Advance SP was the first backlit ah Game Boy system. no I'm going to correct you on this. It's the first backlit one was the Game Boy Light.
01:01:06
Speaker
We didn't get that in Canada. I know. My wife's got one. It's pretty cool. It's definitely not what we would consider a bright backlight by today's standards. but I did draw realize that the game original Game Boy was backlit. I guess i'm because I played it so young, I never really thought about it. um Okay, well, but the way that it's like that color laminated screen, it's quite difficult to backlight it without blowing out all the color layers.
01:01:30
Speaker
Another thing that I've taken one apart and replaced the screen and I seem to recall that it didn't have one of those. It's like a fluorescent light you'd find on those screens back then. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, Better Life was pretty good on them for a reason.
01:01:42
Speaker
Yeah, think the Game Boy Light was also technically front lit, but it just put the light between the color layers. So we get a preview Super Mario World 2, Yoshi's Island, a game that definitely doesn't irritate me now to play.
01:01:55
Speaker
Despite how pretty it is. It's actually a really pretty game. It's just obnoxious. It's a pretty game and all collision is optional. And now we're playing Kirby Superstar, which I think is an amazing game. Everybody should grab it because it has... This game's great.
01:02:09
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It's
Appreciation for Kirby Superstar
01:02:10
Speaker
so good, right? Yes. And we have a girl playing the game. We have a girl in the ah amongst all these boys. we Girls can play video games too. And this only lasts about in a minute and a half before we get a segment sponsored by OxyClean. I just want to know, like, come on. weird Statistically, with the number of kids who want on the show, some of them, some of them eventually grew up to be.
01:02:34
Speaker
Shut up. We're going off what we can see right now. Yeah. It's time for music. And we're featuring Amanda Marshall's Dark Horse, not and not ah not um Katy Perry's, which actually I do think Katy Perry's song is pretty good. And so is Amanda Marshall's Dark Horse. Both songs are good.
01:02:54
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And this, is course, is CanCon and CanCon. CanConception. For those of you who are not Canadian, Marshall is a Juno Award winning singer who has been popular internationally.
01:03:05
Speaker
And we cannot go without trivia because we have an amazing trivia
Amanda Marshall Trivia
01:03:10
Speaker
question. How old is Amanda Marshall?
01:03:14
Speaker
I know. Couldn't tell you. Good luck answering this because I'm certain the average 11-year-old who somehow internet access in whatever year this is would know how to use, I don't know, AltaVista if they had internet access to find the sole Amanda Marshall page fan page in the vain hopes that it had her birthday. And it's August 29th, 1972, which is five days from now when we're recording this. Like in 1997...
01:03:41
Speaker
And this is like, this is why these sorts of like TV trivia worked is because like most of Canada didn't have internet access. I wouldn't say that internet access. I have access to the internet as early as 94.
01:03:55
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you lived in a major center. I did not. know But if you had dial up service, you could just get dial up. It's just so you would be paying long distance for it. Yeah, but like like... I think it's fair to say that most people didn't have it at this point. Yeah, I agree with you on that. Statistically, most households in Canada at this time did not, ah because we passed 50% in the early 2000s.
01:04:17
Speaker
A preemptive or belated happy birthday to Amanda Marshall, who turns 52 on the 29th. so ah So we're back to playing games, and it barely lasts a minute before it is...
01:04:29
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It's letter time! It's letter time! Yes. It's time for letter time with Nicholas Piccolis with a letter from Jeff saying that this it's the best TV show. Jeff is incorrect, but... He ends up getting one of two games given to him for having his letter read on air.
01:04:46
Speaker
Congrats. So, i you know what? What were the two games? It was Kirby Superstar and... DKC3, which honestly, he's got... It's all good choices there. This kid won the jackpot. That's a pretty good prize.
01:04:59
Speaker
yeah This kid won the jackpot. Those are two good choices, and they have high resale valleys if you are like you know wanting to sell your games, I guess. Screw that. I hope he played them and enjoyed
Prize Logistics Challenges
01:05:09
Speaker
them. I'm pretty certain he did if you were 11 or 12 years old. Yeah. Assuming you had a Super Nintendo. Imagine just getting one of these video games mailed to you, and you don't have a Super Nintendo, so your parents decide to sell the game, and then you go get yourself, I don't know, like what was the last game for the n NES that came out? WarioWoods?
01:05:24
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like that kind of that was pretty common with these kinds of prizes. Back in the day, you might end up with something you couldn't actually use, but you figured something out. Yeah, they do actually something quite interesting here with the the prizes that I'll wait until we get to that point.
01:05:39
Speaker
Oh, no, never mind. We're yeah, it's a later episode. They had to blur together. Yeah, they they kind of do. So we end up getting some tips on how to play the game that we're currently in. And then we go into a scene showing the kids in the audience. And then finally, the V&A top three they also i believe this cut is where they show their whole ass because you can actually see the like production coordinators waving at the crowd to get them to cheer oh it gets worse when i own the one of the other clips because remember i played the audience sound earlier yeah which was this one here congratulations bud
01:06:17
Speaker
So are the top three games? We have The Legend of Zelda a Link to the Past and we know which one now. Yes, finally. Turok a Dinosaur Hunter. So we can now we know that this is 1997.
01:06:28
Speaker
Yeah. And Mario Kart 64. Again, like don brand new games. We don't know how this game was chosen or they rather this list was chosen. No, because Link to the Past had been out for a while now, but I could see it having picked Steam. Six years at this point.
01:06:46
Speaker
Was that around the time it got its budget re-release? I feel like those kinds of things were yeah pretty common at that point. Like the Play It Now series or whatever it was called? Yeah. Yeah, I think that might have been the case because I could believe that because there was a time when Nintendo would just actively sell the Super Nintendo and even market it for it while the N64 was the new hot shit. so Also, like, at the very least, how I got new video games is...
01:07:14
Speaker
I would have to... my My parents had two rules. First, they wanted me to rent it first to make sure I liked it. Because we got burned when ah I begged them to buy me the duassssic the Jurassic Park for the SNES.
01:07:28
Speaker
Oh no. um Which I thought was a terrible game. I turned around on in my adult life. It's an amazing game. and incredible technical feat. ah But basically, we had to rent it first.
01:07:39
Speaker
And if I liked it, they would buy it for me. However, after they bought me a game, they wouldn't buy me another one until I beat it. so when i So when I got Mega Man X, that basically ruined my career. That was the last game they ever bought me because I couldn't fucking beat Sigma 2 for the longest time.
01:07:58
Speaker
Let's talk about movies again.
01:08:02
Speaker
but this this This show is basically my ADHD compressed into 24 minutes. Yeah, it it has that energy, which is... It does. And like the Crash Man ripoff theme song really plays into that.
01:08:15
Speaker
We have a movie called First Wives Club, a PG rated movie co-starring Bette Midler, Goldie Hawn, and Diane Keaton. where the three divorcee characters seek revenge on their ex-husbands who left them all for younger women.
01:08:31
Speaker
The movie includes cameos of both Ivana Trump, Donald's deceased ex-wife, and Kathie Lee Gifford. yeah How do they make these choices?
01:08:42
Speaker
I would love to know, especially considering this is a relatively recent movie. I think this was 96 when this movie came out. I have seen this movie and I don't remember any of it. I too have seen this movie and remember barely any of it. I actually remember the scene that they show ah where basically the the one of the wives has has ah sold a bunch of their assets for $1 and hands them two quarters.
01:09:10
Speaker
Again, like you're actually you're right. It's all they show is a clip. They call it a movie review, but it's a clip. They just don't they offer no commentary. They just say this is what the movie is. And then that's it. That's the review. Yeah, a hot take. This is this is actually the part that is relevant to video games because they review all these like they review these songs and movies like game reviews were at that time.
90s Game Reviews Focus
01:09:34
Speaker
completely just directive of what the thing is, what the media is. And that's it. I have a trivia question. What is the name of the club that Bette Midler, Goldie Hawn, and Diane Keaton create?
01:09:47
Speaker
I absolutely couldn't tell you. That's the thing. Why are they saying the actresses' his names and not, like, the actual names of the characters in the movie? Like... Did they create a club?
01:09:58
Speaker
Maybe. Such a
Battleship as a Frequent Prize
01:10:00
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stupid question. Anyway, there's no more video games to be played, and a winner has been announced. The kid who won a game got to take any prize from the wall because he got the red bonus wall. So he got to pick anything he wanted, and he picked Battleship.
01:10:11
Speaker
Which is not the first or the last time that Battleship is the prize. So many kids got Battleship on this show. I counted the total number of video game content being played in this episode and they played maybe about six minutes.
01:10:26
Speaker
But also like the six minutes that they played was a guy or one of the kids struggling with the a simple door puzzle in in Kirby. And again, just a lot of really tragic Donkey Kong Country 3 gameplay. So like, I don't know, maybe they showed the best amount that they could.
01:10:47
Speaker
So you were making comments about how people were just cycling in and out of the door. Well, if you watch the credits, it shows Nicholas Piccolis's name, but everybody else just gets their first name. Not uncommon for like YTV PJs.
01:11:01
Speaker
I don't think many of these people were PJs. I think they were just people who came in and wanted a job and act in some sort of media role. Probably. Which also was a lot of YTV's PJs. Trying to track down PJ Phil and PJ Katie of PJ Katie's farm fame is really hard.
01:11:20
Speaker
PJ Sugar is the only one that I think has ever done the best out of all of them in terms of recognition because if anyone doesn't know who PJ Sugar is um she's the one who did Chibi-Ousa's voice in the Sailor Moon dub or excuse me Reanie because Sailor Moon is technically CanCon and um it should come as no surprise that I would love to do an episode I have Sailor Moon I have so much love for original moon.
01:11:45
Speaker
i think all three of us do. the the fear Yeah. It's a look at a bunch of people, ah ah bunch of very distinct genders going on there. ah Let's, let's shift over to the third episode here because it's, this is where things really do change.
01:12:01
Speaker
We're no longer having the really cool sort of NES kind of joystick being played to like some random stuff. fighting game or not fighting game rather a flight game of some sort but we're now focusing on n64 so we've gone three generations and ario graffiti is no longer on set rip or up to ario yeah this this is where i really noticed that ytv branding was just everywhere yeah they had the ytv shoe yeah the ytv shoe Also, names are hard to come by the episode.
01:12:33
Speaker
We get Yvonne, Mika, and Michael alongside Nicholas Pickles. Yes. And we're now playing the Game Boy Color because we get to see a rather strange device plugged into the N64 with a ribbon cable popping out of it.
01:12:48
Speaker
Misty, you know what a wide boy is, right? Yeah, I remember seeing that on the show back then. I was like, what the heck are they using to play these things on a TV? Yeah, because there was no mechanism until the GameCube came out to play Game Boy Color games on the television.
01:13:02
Speaker
However, the Wide Boy existed as a method of getting screenshots for gamed not game developers, but game Games media. Yeah. So they would use that to get the screenshots. And of course, you could just play it because it was good enough for that.
01:13:17
Speaker
Yeah, it was it was just a it was just a video pass through. So it didn't even have any real particular latency. One thing I noticed that was also a standout was that the audience is significantly younger looking like, you know, we're not talking like all of a sudden we're seeing like young kids we're talking like maybe six seven eight nine year olds that are in the audience this doesn't get better we had like most of the players seem to be like pre-teens and teens and here we're we're skewing we're skewing to single digits definitely feels like a sign they knew what their audience was here yeah well there
01:13:53
Speaker
It gets interesting because we see a V&A t-shirt being offered as a prize with the Legend of Zelda Orca Arena of Time on the front. And the runner-up gets a dinner for two at Medieval Times. so ah Misty, was this Medieval Times even a thing at all that you knew of back then?
01:14:10
Speaker
Absolutely not. I didn't know a thing about it. I'm assuming it was they had like one in the Toronto area or something? yes Yeah. Yeah. I've seen it spoofed on The Simpsons, but it was definitely not a thing that you would see out here on the West Coast. And I imagine that it was an American chain. of unless It's an American chain. Yes. Gearbox CEO Randy Pitchford is a particular fan of medieval times.
01:14:35
Speaker
That's of right. I'm sorry, what's the story about this? I'm a little lost. He left a unencrypted flash drive of a bunch of company secrets and and pornography at a medieval times which he frequented.
01:14:49
Speaker
Wait, were they on the same USB
Borderlands 3 Leak and CEO Exit
01:14:51
Speaker
drive? Yes. yeah
01:14:56
Speaker
Okay. Okay, then. Full build of an under of ah of, I think it was Borderlands 3. It might have been pre-sequel. Oh, this wasn't that long ago. Yeah, this was not that long ago. Holy shit.
01:15:12
Speaker
It was the thing that finally got him to step down from CEO and stop being an abusive fuck. Well, well, not stop being abusive fuck, but he it wasn't the employee's problem anymore.
01:15:24
Speaker
but That's the thing that did it. So we stand medieval times. So I'm going to mention this here is that the winner also would get a copy of Crystalis for the Game Boy Color. a game, according to speedrun.com, takes at least 53 minutes to beat.
01:15:36
Speaker
And I didn't mention this when we were talking about Legend of Zelda entirely, but the way that you would beat it in under three minutes is that you would have to break the controller so you can press up and down at the same time so you can face through walls and fight Ganon to complete the game.
01:15:52
Speaker
I don't think the kids would have done that. i don't think they would have been allowed to bring a Dremel on set to go and, like, steal. break the controller so you can do it that way. You would need one of those ah those like accursed Madcats. I think it was Madcats that made SNES D-Pads with ah independent buttons.
01:16:10
Speaker
and also We're also giving away KFC combo meals to the first place winner. yeah i I noted that. It's like, wow, that is a that is such... like one k One fucking chicken sandwich is your is your grand prize.
01:16:24
Speaker
Chicken sandwich in the... awful GVC game that you're playing. i don't think I have you played Crystalis, have you? yeah I haven't played it, but I know the Game Boy Color one is super different from the NES game that have the same name.
01:16:39
Speaker
Right. it looked it It looked like one of those like GBC RPGs that's just filled with a bunch of padding, like a bunch of bullshit.
Crystalis Game Comparison
01:16:48
Speaker
I've heard it's really good, actually. Really? Because I i looked at it and so I looked at the the gameplay that they're showing while I was watching it.
01:16:57
Speaker
And it seemed like a lot of like stuff comes in from off screen that you have no time to deal with. But maybe I'll give it a shot. maybe Maybe I'll edit in my impressions after playing. So now we're playing Crystalis and it lasts two minutes for this, you know, at best 53 minute game.
01:17:13
Speaker
Yeah. And it's time for a music review. And now we're going to hear about Christina Aguilera, noted Canadian.
01:17:21
Speaker
Apparently this is the year that she won at the Grammys and her single, I Turn to You. However, we finally get a relevant question that someone who would know would be able to look up. In what category did Christina Aguilera win a Grammy award? Actually, that's even something that like,
01:17:37
Speaker
people like someone's mom or dad might know. Well, the short answer was best new artist. yeah I should note that that probably the reason why they have these really dumb questions isn't that you can't just say right you know, stating your favorite thing.
Trivia Questions and Sweepstakes Laws
01:17:51
Speaker
It's more like, here's a trivia question and this is how you get a prize. But then when you're getting letters, you know, written on air, i kind of wonder how the rule works for that. Like trivia questions are notable in a lot of prize, uh,
01:18:06
Speaker
giveaways, like such as Roll Up the Rim to Win for Tim Hortons. So I have to wonder if this plays a role here or not, but it doesn't answer the the letter writing thing. Oh, you're thinking it's like sweepstakes compliant stuff?
01:18:17
Speaker
Maybe. like But it doesn't say you can't win it if you're in Quebec. And Quebec has way different rules for this. Yeah. So we have a winner. The prize that this kid gets is a copy of Battleship once again. But apparently there's an N64 up for grabs now.
01:18:30
Speaker
Yeah. and sixty four would have been a better prize. I would have been happy getting an N64 back then. and But now we're on to Wario. Excuse me, I'm going to say this differently. Now we're on to Wario Land. In this segment too, they also constantly flub and call it and say warrior.
01:18:48
Speaker
Do they? yeah ah Twice. Oh Christ. Well, I guess nobody's perfect. um or Warrior's Woods. Yes. Warrior's Woods. Yes. So we get under two minutes of gameplay action and then it's now time for another movie review and it's time for a Star Wars episode one.
Perceptions vs Broadcast Timelines
01:19:07
Speaker
Yes. This is the part that really gets me this, like this period of the show, because I very much had outgrown it, wasn't watching it, had no idea it was still TV.
01:19:18
Speaker
You know, to to me personally, it feels like this show should only have existed in the specific years that I was old enough to be watching it. And then it blinked out of existence afterwards, which obviously isn't actually how the world works.
01:19:29
Speaker
Yeah. What year were you born, Misty? 1985. nineteen eighty five Okay, yeah. This is like at the tail end of when I would have been watching. Right, makes sense. Yeah, I definitely stopped watching it around 97, which probably was about the time I went into high school.
01:19:43
Speaker
And, you know, like, I think if I ever watched it after that, it was because my younger siblings were watching it. Like, my brother or my sister would be watching it Yeah, see, I was the younger sibling, so my brother probably also remembers this. like This is the last of the episodes that I probably actually watched.
01:20:01
Speaker
That makes sense. um so Also, I want to answer the trivia question when we read it out. Okay, fair enough.
Star Wars Prequels Debate
01:20:08
Speaker
So we don't see anyone starring in the movie, and we just get pod racing foes crashing in the desert. So we don't get to see, um what was his name? um Christian...
01:20:20
Speaker
Oh my god, I can't remember the name of... Anyway, I'm not going to read the actors. Hayden Christensen. It's Hayden Christensen. Oh wait, he's not in this movie. That was episode one. Yeah, no, this is Liam Neeson as Quaggon Jin.
01:20:32
Speaker
Oh boy, yeah, this is the thing. I have a hard time remembering all the actors in this movie. like Of course, Natalie Portman's in this movie. but Yeah, full disclosure, I'm a prequel apologist. but prequels are The prequels are fine. I think episode two is it's weakness the weakest of the three, but the prequels are fine.
01:20:47
Speaker
But anyway, ah since Tamarok wants to answer this question, what is the name of the young hero in Star Wars The one the Phantom Menace? ah Darth Maul, because he's the he's the only darth he's the only young hero who doesn't go on to murder any children.
01:21:05
Speaker
I was going to say comedy answered Darth Vader. i believe the answer is in fact, ah they want, they actually do want Anakin Skywalker, which yes, the answer is in fact, Darth Vader, which no, he goes on to murder a bunch of children and also that guy in the opening of A New Hope. So nope.
01:21:24
Speaker
Obi-Wan's hands aren't exactly clean either. So I'm going with Darth Maul. The politics of Star Wars is incredible to think about.
Nostalgia for TV Show Letter Segment
01:21:31
Speaker
Yeah. Back to gameplay. This lasts about a minute and 15 seconds before it is... It's letter time! It's letter time!
01:21:40
Speaker
It's letter time. letter time. I still say this when I check the mail. I kind of want to use this as a drop for if we ever get an email from somebody. Yeah, this this is an like yeah this is why I wanted to keep it, because I think this will this will this will be very handy for a mailbag episode.
01:21:57
Speaker
Nine-year-old David writes in to tell us his favorite games are Fighting Force and Rainbow Six, which both got ports of the n sixty four He wrote in so he can get a copy of a game. I hope he has a Game Boy Color.
01:22:08
Speaker
Nine-year-olds playing Rainbow Six and Fighting Force. I think Fighting Force is pretty tame, but Rainbow Six. Rainbow, okay. If he's playing it on the N64, like all the blood and everything's been removed.
01:22:20
Speaker
If he's playing it on the PlayStation, I mean, it's so pixelated. What console was Fighting Force on? That was on PS1, PC. Oh, there was an N64 version too. Yeah, it was on PlayStation. I have to wonder how much filtering they do for this. Because like you get some kid that writes in and says like their favorite game is Myst, which did get a port to N64, but not until much later, I think. Okay, yeah. It looks like Rainbow Six and Fighting Force are both teen rated on the N64. Yeah, close enough. ESRB ratings weren't exactly adhered to. like My parents were...
01:22:53
Speaker
it in in air quotes strict about the media we consumed but I don't think they ever actually looked at the ratings they just kind of went on vibes and for video games they hardly ever checked well like grandparents who were rather conservative bought me a copy of dogma for Christmas when I was 16 good catholic movie
01:23:18
Speaker
Yeah, like my my parents bought me Warcraft ah to Tides of Darkness, and then we're horrified as that there's blood when your guys kill the enemy guys.
Old Tech Reflections
01:23:27
Speaker
Well, that's what death is about. no, tiny pixelated blood. Yeah, tiny pixelated blood. At this point, we're informed of a website, yes, and its URL is www.videonarcade.com.
01:23:40
Speaker
And what was kind of fucked about this website was that it was flash based for quite some time. So the archive is sort of lost to us like Misty sent me a link last week. Yeah, it's just there, but it's like kind of a like a shell of itself.
01:23:54
Speaker
But around 2002 or 2003, it was sold off to some web TV service. Yeah. So funny. And it seemed to be a domain parking site thereafter, shortly thereafter.
01:24:06
Speaker
But what was buck wild is that I read that it had a message board. Wow. like That mean does sound like the era when you'd have a message board for your TV show. Yeah, okay, that's fair.
01:24:19
Speaker
The thing is, im I went, I come through fairly thoroughly all the older, like pre 2002, like, like snapshots. All I could find was the flash portal. So I don't see where the link would have been to a forum.
01:24:33
Speaker
This was, this was written by somebody else, which I'll include in the show notes. um They actually had a lot of useful information about the show. And. I have to wonder what that message board would have been like. Because like I was on the Something Awful forums as early as late 2000. I was there before nine eleven I was there before you had to pay $10 to have an account.
01:24:53
Speaker
I'm an old, old, old goon. But i have like I was also familiar with a lot of other message boards that existed around that time. And I have to wonder what that website would have been like with a bunch 9-, 10-, 11-year-olds, 12-year-olds.
01:25:04
Speaker
nine ten eleven year old twelve year olds like This is three ah What's that American law like COPA or whatever the hell it is where you it's like children can't just register for services um even though we're in Canada it might have been subject to this because it probably was hosted in the States.
01:25:19
Speaker
Yeah I remember the like the update to to like PHP BB2 forums the BB1 forums didn't have this but like they would like have the little ticky box you'd have to tick to swear that you're over 13 and I gleefully ticked as a I think 12 year old yeah was in sixth grade when i started getting into command and conquer modding and like so mostly those forms were just very young people expressing queerness and uh proto furries so misty i have bad news for you ah there's no more laser disc
01:25:55
Speaker
I'm not shocked. This is the twilight year of the LaserDisc. They were still making them, but you know DVD had been out for a few years at this point. They wanted you buying DVDs. Yeah, I think 2005 is the year we got a DVD player.
01:26:09
Speaker
So yeah, it's coming to the era. I think we got a DVD player in our house as early as 99. Oh, that's impressive. Yeah, well, my dad got a bonus and then he went and bought...
01:26:21
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this 36 inch tube television and like that's you know I had progressive scan and all that and they bought a DVD player to go with it it was a big tip fancy TV it also weighed like oh it weighed something to the tune of 100 kilograms so and it was also front heavy so like yeah from house to house we had to hire somebody to do it and then eventually my parents sold the TV and they sold it for like nothing i Of course, the person had to get it out of the house and it was in the basement of her parents old place. so Yeah.
01:26:56
Speaker
Kind of freaky to think about. My my my role in the family was being the being the old technology gremlin. ah So like i i so I as soon as they replaced it, I took the family's old 486 and that was my computer that lived in my in my bedroom.
01:27:13
Speaker
And when they finally got like a ah modern television, ah like a, I think it wasn't even like a LCD. I think it was just a flat screen, like or a plasma or something like that.
01:27:25
Speaker
I took the old 27 inch CRT television, and I actually moved to Vancouver with that. Oh, wow. Yeah. ah in In my little Suzuki esteem, you could tell which the official car of shewinnigan moment official karshwiniggan moments you could tell which side of the car it was on because the shocks were notably lower on that side.
01:27:48
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It was a 27 inch RCA CRT screen. it It was a heavy motherfucker. I'm glad I didn't transition then. I wouldn't have been able to lift it but It's time for the V&A top
Top Games on V&A
01:28:01
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three.
01:28:01
Speaker
Yes. And it is Excitebike 64. Don't remember anything about Lincoln. Solid choice. Actually, all these are solid choices. I agree with them. hydro thunder the only game the game i'm actually only familiar with because it's always on a bc ferry i swear and yeah arcade cabs for this one were were pretty common pokemon stadium solid choice also solid choice played the show that we got the second game i think we didn't get the first game so pokemon stadium 2 is what north america got i think do you still have it complete my room decorations and pokemon cold
01:28:36
Speaker
Yeah, i feel like people, magazines really didn't cover the weird import naming situation back in the day, except when we got a weird number thing like FF7. So I'm sure most people had no idea we'd even have missed a Pokemon stadium.
01:28:52
Speaker
Yeah. I have a skill testing question for you all, and I'm 100% none of you will get this. Uh-oh. In TriplePlay 2000, how do you produce a home run sound? What kind of question is that? The fuck if I know it.
01:29:06
Speaker
It's such a strange question. It is an extremely strange question because I'm assuming you get a home run sound but by getting a home run. you know like ah Our first patron goal is going to be at a certain number of patrons. I will play this game and find out.
01:29:25
Speaker
All right. you All of our to you, friend. And then that's the end of the episode. We have a winner. The kid ends up winning a Mako Pad 64 and an SN Pro Pad for the Super Nintendo. Whoopee.
01:29:38
Speaker
You put and and like giving the kid a SNES controller and an N64 controller at the same time is an interesting combo. This was not my understanding. I'm pretty sure it was an or.
01:29:49
Speaker
I'm pretty sure he got to pick a either an SNES pad. that's What do they do with the prizes they don't use? Do they just give it away at the Christmas party? I'm pretty sure they stay on that prize wall because eventually we'll see that they're giving away Battleship again and and and Twister, which had been up on there for a while.
Final TV Show Episode Analysis
01:30:08
Speaker
We're now on the final episode of What I've Chosen. This is marked as Season 7, and it is...
01:30:12
Speaker
and it is possibly the last episode that ever aired. I, again, i only have so much information about this. If you're, if I have all of the episodes that I was able to find stored, ah bit well, I rather, I grabbed all the episodes I could find and store them locally.
01:30:27
Speaker
And the thing is, is that, there wasn't too many details attached to when these episodes were exactly aired because like they don't put like season number and episode number in the credits although it'd be really great if they did but what i'm thinking is this was the very last episode and in this season they have a new opening sequence and it has just the word video games in the video and any video game screenshot it shows is kind of homeopathic So it's, it's, there's just a hint of video games, but then they just show a bunch of children jumping around and being all excited with their names. You can just see the demographics. They are just young.
01:31:06
Speaker
Yeah. Extremely young children. Everyone is a tiny baby. Immediately. The episode has an ah existential crisis about Nicholas, because in the past they have said, yes, that is his real name.
01:31:21
Speaker
But in the chyron, it shows, is that his real name? The mystery that'll be resolved at the in the next season. you know It's a cliffhanger.
01:31:33
Speaker
Unfortunately, the show got cancelled. what what what's it then and this this also Let me give you an idea of what time period this episode
Questioning 24's Relevance in Children's Show
01:31:41
Speaker
takes place in. Have any of you watched 24? 24? twenty four Yeah, it gets a reference. Oh, God. Yeah. he Like, wow. Old man Nicholas Pickles. Let me play the clip. Let me play the clip. Okay.
01:31:50
Speaker
Time is of the essence. It's down to the wire in 59 minutes of the hourglass and expired. You're like Jack Bauer. It's up to you to save the day. It's so weird hearing that referenced on this show. Yes. like this is This is a show that could not like should not have survived like the War on Terror era.
01:32:09
Speaker
yeah And yet it made it five years into the War on Terror. Right? It's not the beginning and end of the Iraq War. tv show Sorry, 24 is a TV show where somebody's nuts got shot off, I think.
01:32:24
Speaker
Yeah, again, like, very age-inappropriate references. like And old man Nicholas Pickles, as, like, contrasted with the just tiny children audience, just does not...
Audience Energy and Venue Changes
01:32:38
Speaker
The vibe is off at this point.
01:32:40
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yeah Well, everything about this episode is off because they make no mention of a home player, although later on they do. We just get told about the kids' names about with zero details about where they're from. So in the past, they often would mention where they're from, but nothing. And then...
01:32:54
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um The home player often was like some random kid that couldn't travel from, say, Prince George or Fredericton. Yeah. Also places that are ways away from Toronto. Also, the studio player is gone at this point. Yeah, well, i I imagine the, no, I think they still exist because it's mentioned in the episode.
01:33:09
Speaker
But this TV show is really showing its age. Like even Nicholas is looking old at this point. I want to say that he's in his late 40s by this point. Yeah, the audience is also extremely sparse this time around.
01:33:20
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Well, that's what I'm going to show you here because, like or rather play for here because this is the energy of the audience. Call us today. Call 416-362-395. They've booked your spot today. Here's Leas. He's got the V&A top three.
01:33:32
Speaker
It's definitely got like modestly sized birthday party energy. Yes. It feels like as a callback to the N64 truck. It has the energy of um the sort of birthday party that I would go to when you're like in a small town and there's only like six kids in like the kindergarten class.
01:33:52
Speaker
Yeah, this is this is pizza party at the local laser tag place energy. That's kind of nailing it, except we're for showing this on television for everybody to see. we I invited the entirety of the 4-5 split class that i that i attend that i go to school with.
01:34:08
Speaker
So it's 2006 or 2007 at this point, I think. They are showing a GameCube game, Polar Express. I've graduated high school at this point. Polar Express is an awful movie, by the way, because it's just Uncanny Valley for an hour and a half.
GameCube Era Shift
01:34:23
Speaker
Yes, the video game is not much better. I'm only familiar with this game because Tom Walker has played this. so you also likewise I've seen the Retro Pals play this, and if Tom Walker or Retro Pals playing a game like this isn't a sign that it's a good game.
01:34:40
Speaker
it's for those of you don't know who tom walker is just imagine 1000 kilometer per hour grand theft auto 4 and then you'll just then you'll know who tom walker is yeah it doesn't help that once again this is embarrassingly a game that i have played uh it's just watching people go through sorry a struggle session so bad a struggle session uh through the very early i played it because i knew it was awful it's just people going through a struggle session of like the first maybe five minutes of the game yeah somebody does actually get like further in and then gets hung up on some geometry which is a thing that happens in this game
01:35:22
Speaker
This also shows the age because we get our first Sega game mentioned in Sonic Adventure 2. But since it's on the Dream... Sorry, since it's on the GameCube, not the Dreamcast, it makes sense why it would show up.
01:35:32
Speaker
But we get a tip about it. It's kind of weird to see a Sega game now. Yeah, this is also like... This is its re-release on the GameCube. So it's already been out on the Dreamcast and the tree Dreamcast is dead.
01:35:44
Speaker
Yeah, but the gap between those releases wasn't super, super huge, if I remember right. So it was still a fairly new game. Yeah. Okay, yeah, it was like six months.
01:35:55
Speaker
Okay, wow. They gave up on that. Oh, yeah, i guess Sonic Adventure 2 came out like after the Dreamcast was in Canada, after the Dreamcast was already cancelled. Yeah, they'd already announced they were discontinuing the system, but they released it anyway.
01:36:09
Speaker
Yeah, I was gonna say, because I have a copy of ah Sonic Adventure 2 for my Dreamcast. Mine too has the bargain bin a Superstore sticker on it. Oh wow. So it's back to gameplay which lasts for a minute and 20 seconds.
Challenges of The Polar Express Game
01:36:23
Speaker
So you get to suffer with more of the Polar Express. Honestly that's a minute and 20 seconds more than anyone needs to see game. I feel bad for the children playing this game. yeah It's like it's it's like ah they're just playing the soccer mini game and struggling through it and then one person gets to the next section which is also a struggle and it's like wow, why did you do this? too This is child abuse.
01:36:47
Speaker
I'd love to know how they picked this game. I i'm actually was wondering that myself. Again, like I don't have any of those details because we used to have like some really mainstream games. like We had Kirby Super Star and Donkey Kong Country. and I mean, we've got Sonic Avenger 2 in the same thing.
01:37:02
Speaker
Sonic Avenger 2 and The Polar Express are polar opposites of each other in quality. Yeah, one game I'd rather not play. Figure that one out. We get to do a music review, and this time it's Fifi Dobson's Everything, which again, can conception. And if you need me to describe her music, it's if you liked Abra Levine from this era, then you'll like Fifi.
01:37:25
Speaker
yeah that's the best way to describe her this is this is the first time it's an artist that like i actually kind of liked although i'd aged out of the show at this point so let me make this really bad
DVR Era Trivia Simplicity
01:37:35
Speaker
for you all what here's the trivia question fuck this is so bad who sings a song everything the the person that's just what and
01:37:48
Speaker
This was also in the era of DVRs becoming kind of on the scene. If you had like you know like a cable package, they were like, yeah, for an extra $10 a month, you can have a DVR, right? And that was a thing that like all the cable companies were doing at this point.
01:38:01
Speaker
So like if you didn't if you were ADHD-brained was, you can just say, oh, let me rewind five seconds to yeah find the answer and then write in. It's so bad. Yeah. so Anyway, enough about Fifi Dobson, who still tours from what I understand. She still tours, but she hasn't.
01:38:17
Speaker
She's actually putting out a new album or maybe it's out. Really? That's weird. Yeah. really But yeah, she's just toured around like she put out three albums and kind of disappeared.
01:38:28
Speaker
Well, she's actually not much younger than me. What do you know? Yeah, she's she was a guest judge on Canada's Drag Race. So we're back at gameplay. We have four minutes of gameplay and we have a winner.
01:38:39
Speaker
Yeah, this is this is actually, this this time chunk is where I actually wrote down the ah love when they rattle off tips about about the whole like length of the game over footage of kids bashing their heads against the same few sections of the game.
01:38:53
Speaker
Yeah. Poor kids. a sub note underneath that struggle session question mark. And I think that encapsulates what's happening
Decline in Prize Quality
01:39:02
Speaker
here. So they did mention the home player at this point. They didn't mention at the start. So like everything seems disorganized. And the bonus wall is comes up and everything looks cheaper and includes books now, including one I will not mention, which is fine and all, but it's dire. Like you can tell it's the shell of its former self. The kid ends up winning a copy of Simon 2, compliments of Hasbro.
01:39:22
Speaker
Yeah, like Hasbro and Parker Brothers random bullshit is slowly encroaching as I think at this point, Mad Cat's has basically fallen apart. So all the all the cheap controller brands are out.
01:39:36
Speaker
And then we get a look at the audience and it looks dire. It is like, as you describe, like, you know, pizza party at the laser tag place. Yeah, um I counted maybe 15 kids in the average age, probably 10.
01:39:47
Speaker
Very evenly spaced out to pack the the still same size studio that they're using. We can also tell the relationship with Nintendo's no more because one of the prizes up for grabs is a game library which includes just two Nintendo GameCube games, but six PS2 PlayStation 2 games, which one of them for sure has a port on the GameCube.
01:40:07
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like that has to be, you know, recognition that the PS2 was by far the console more of the kids wanted to be playing. a note note for Note for YouTube editing, Tam, later ah to cut out...
01:40:22
Speaker
the two shots that they give you of the game library, which is very cleverly arranged so that you can see that there's like Mega Man, some other game that seemed quite decent, and then some trash, but the trash is like angled away from the camera such that the glare obfuscates what the game is.
Sonic Fighters' Unique Mechanics
01:40:39
Speaker
And the two laying on the ground are just some absolute trash, but they're at such an oblique angle, you won't be able to tell quite what it is.
01:40:49
Speaker
So now it's time for Sonic Fighters, which show gameplay for a grand total of a minute and 20 seconds, but now it is a movie review. and I'm just glad Sonic the Fighters is here at all. I would not have called them putting that in here, even if it had a GameCube re-release.
01:41:04
Speaker
I think it's a great game. I didn't think anyone was going to ever acknowledge it Yeah, it it has a very interesting defense mechanic. Like, it's it's actually kind of good, but yeah, it falls afoul of the, like, cringey Sonic OC sort of aversion for, I think, a lot of people.
01:41:22
Speaker
Those people are cowards. Yeah, yeah. that's Kill the part of you that cringes, not the cringe. The movie that they've chosen for the review is Monsters, Inc.
Outdated Pixar Choices
01:41:31
Speaker
Which is and a actually reasonable choice.
01:41:35
Speaker
Right. yeah you' going to Age appropriate. yeah Age appropriate, but I'm going to explain what the problem with this choice is. It is a 2001 movie. This is 2006.
01:41:45
Speaker
So, so here's the other thing. So the, question I'll give you the question that I'll explain what my problem with this a little bit more detail here is. ah The question is name a voice actor who plays the voices of Sully or Mike. The answer is John Goodman for Sully and Billy Crystal for Mike. It's whatever. They're easy to pick out because you can hear them.
01:42:01
Speaker
But this episode, again, is from 2006. And between Monster Inc.' 's release and this year, three Pixar films have been released, including Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, and Cars, which is a movie that acknowledges that 9-11 happened.
01:42:15
Speaker
i Cars, yeah, car Cars already. 9-11. God. Like, were the planes the terrorists? Because the concept of the Homeland Security and the TSA exists and fi in Thiggin Plains? Yeah, yeah.
01:42:31
Speaker
Which means that in cars, because they're in the same universe, 9-11 happened. Yeah. It's a little bit upsetting. But also, like, Finding Nemo was a huge fucking deal. Finding Nemo is a great movie. So are the Incredibles. the Incredibles are fun, too.
01:42:45
Speaker
Cars, I can kind of let slide because it didn't come out until June of that year. And this is sponsored once again by Jumbo Video. Yeah.
GameCube vs PS2 Game Libraries
01:42:53
Speaker
And like, but like, yeah, Finding Nemo and the Incredibles, like Finding Nemo was all over the fucking place at this point in time when you were like, I guess, a younger teen.
01:43:02
Speaker
The interesting thing about Jumbo Video, and i kind of made the note of this, is that it's bounced back and forth between Jumbo and Rogers. um In the past, Rogers has shown up, but prior to that, it was Jumbo. But Rogers and Chorus are competitors. So it kind of makes sense that you would go back to Jumbo because I think Jumbo was, I think there still exists for that matter, was actually um like the only chain that they could go with, I guess.
01:43:24
Speaker
But again, like they're Toronto focused. And then we're going to come back to Polar Express. We're going to get a tip because we apparently have been tortured enough over this. were supposed to get some tips about it. My tip to all of y'all is not play it.
01:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, fair. And once again, we cut to a scene at the scene of kids screaming, yeah, and it's about 14 or 15 kids. And we finally get our top three games. And they are Spider-Man Mysterio's Menace, which got an 84 on Metacritic with eight reviews.
01:43:53
Speaker
Wolverine's Revenge, which got 72% on Metacritic with eight reviews. And The Chronicles of Narnia for the Xbox 360. And it got a 68% on Metacritic with 36 reviews. Once again, shh. on metacritic with thirty six views once so and yeah Note that the first game is third place. Yeah, this is like this is a random smattering of games in reverse or reverse sort order. Like, what the hell?
01:44:18
Speaker
Also, again, the idea that an Xbox 360 game is on video and arcade top 10 is just messing with my head. yeah It's wild. And now the episode
Reflecting on TV Show's End
01:44:26
Speaker
is over. The energy when the show signed off is just so low. And apparently this is or rather, supposedly this is the last episode. And I do feel like it lost its sauce.
01:44:37
Speaker
Yeah. And that was the last episode we watched. And so I'm going to close this off because we are approaching two hours and I would like it to not be two hours. It's going two hours.
01:44:48
Speaker
What was the top 10? Because at no point did we ever mention a top 10. Like, what do you think the top 10 was? i have no idea. it's definitely the thing where it feels like the closest we've ever had to a top 10 is what the players, but there's not really 10 players in a match.
01:45:04
Speaker
This is a cutting of an article from RPM Magazine on July 7th, 1991. And I'll read this verbatim here for everybody. You've Television Network, YTV, will launch Video and Arcade Top 10, Canada's only video electronic television show on September 7th. Host of the weekly series will be announced at a later date.
01:45:21
Speaker
The show's content will reflect on the activity in the video industry, supplying down-to-the-wire program content for its viewers. It's estimated that the show will reach 5.8 million households across Canada in its primetime slot. No, it did not have a primetime slot.
01:45:36
Speaker
Each episode will revolve around two game playoffs involving head-to-head competition with five players. They did not have five players selected from the studio audience. Also featured will be fashion segments. They did not have that.
01:45:50
Speaker
A listing of top 10 music videos, concert listings across Canada, a listing of the top 10 arcade games, a look at new movie releases in the theaters and the home video market, plus news reports on the latest innovations and viewer contests for prizes from sponsors.
01:46:08
Speaker
This is a pitch for an entirely different show. Yes. Yeah. That is why it's top 10. They just never renamed it. Fascinating. I wonder if it had to do with they got the they got like the the ah CMF like grant for this and they were locked into that name.
01:46:27
Speaker
and like So i I did look into the CMF did not exist at this point because it was under a different term. The CMF, I think, existed 2011 onwards. two thousand and eleven onwards It was under a different back then. But I did try to find out any details about like what sort of funding was given to the video in arcade top 10 or a REO or whatever, because I was trying to find out details about REO.
01:46:48
Speaker
And there's just nothing about it. There's no information. And it's unfortunate because it would have made given me some extra content for this show. that' There was a youth media grant that launched YTV that was available to other programming.
01:47:01
Speaker
But that was a separate thing. That wasn't the Canada media fund. No, no, that it's one of the things that predated it. So maybe they got some cash off that and maybe it had similarly rigid ah stipulations about the format of the show that they would have had to like conform to this pitch in a sense and might have been stuck with all these segments as a as a part of their funding contract.
Nicholas Pickles' Post-TV Life
01:47:26
Speaker
And then, of course, we have Nicholas Pickles. We haven't really spoken much about him. um And I didn't really feel like doing so because he's actually done okay for himself. He presently lives in Buffalo, New York, hosting a morning show on a local radio station. And he was apparently hosting said show alongside his hosting duties for V&A Top 10.
01:47:44
Speaker
And he still has recognition, to the best my knowledge, today. Although this article from 2013 in CG Magazine kind of spells out what has happened to him when it comes to how the public perceives him.
01:47:55
Speaker
So this is funny. However, seven years away from the Canadian basic cable doesn't mean Nicholas has been forgotten. Actually, he said that the opposite is true. We cross the border and I get the weirdest stares. I'll walk through an Ikea and a guy who is 33 years old will stare at me like i'm um from a wanted poster.
01:48:12
Speaker
And then I will see it click. Yeah, I'm that guy. Nicholas also works with various Buffalo sports teams and told me that he runs into all sorts of Ontario fans at the Buffalo Bills games.
01:48:23
Speaker
i I think it was Robin Williams who said this, that like, he likes going to Canada because when you're in the States, like people stop you all over the place. But in Canada, if you want to be recognized, you need a fucking name tag. And that's such an interesting contrast to to Nicholas's experience.
01:48:41
Speaker
he He worked on a minor like kids television show and still get recognized at Flo Bills Away games. For us, that was a big deal.
01:48:52
Speaker
Yeah. He's also active on Instagram. It seems he even calls himself Nicholas Pickles there still. Yeah, he has like kids and everything now. Like he has like a family and decent life, it looks like. One thing I'll say is like, because all three of us live on basically the world's largest film set.
Canadian Celebrity Culture
01:49:08
Speaker
Mm-hmm. One of the things I have learned about celebrities who come up to Vancouver or anywhere in Canada, for that matter, they often like being in this country because we don't have the same mindset about like harassing famous people for like autographs and all that. Like I have run into all sorts of celebrities because I work in the city center of Vancouver. And, you know, you'll be walking down like Robson Street and you'll see somebody who's definitely famous. I won't name any names. And you know what? Nobody bothers them.
01:49:34
Speaker
And I kind of and understand the point about what Robin Williams was making there. my my one best my one celebrity encounter was getting in a canadian traffic jam with ryan reynolds what you go first no you go first after you where was this uh this is the starbucks uh uh so that was video and arcade top 10 when speed running was on basic cable um There was never a top 10 arcade list. There was never a top 10 anything. The best we got was top five. What did we learn?
01:50:08
Speaker
that This show went on way too long. Watching the fourth episode you selected for us was ah painful. ah Except for the fact that it they got me to add Fifi Dobson to my artists on Spotify.
01:50:23
Speaker
That was that was nice. Misty, if people want more Misty, where do they find you? Yeah, so I'm on ah cohost, cohost.org slash dog. I'm on bluesky, cdrom.ca, and Mastodon, digipres.club slash misty.
01:50:43
Speaker
By the way, cdrom.ca is a really fun website. I think I've contributed a few things to some of the bits you've written it on there. I can't remember what now, but I know I've had my hands in something. You lent me your Mac. I needed to use it to take screenshots of something. Right.
01:50:59
Speaker
Misty, thank you so much for coming on. This is the first time we've ever done an episode with a guest. here I they appreciate all the challenges have come with this year, but I hope again we can have you on again, certainly. This was fun. Thank you. Yeah, it's been delightful.
01:51:11
Speaker
Because it's a bonus episode, we normally don't have too much to say about like, what's the next one coming up, but I've already been working on it. It's going to be on The Last Timbit, the musical, which I'm going to subject Tamarack to watch.
01:51:26
Speaker
Misty, you heard about this ah this this musical? This is complete news to me. Your ad blocker has been working perfectly then. it's It's so painful. is basically Tim Hortons had a musical made for their 60th anniversary.
01:51:41
Speaker
Why does this exist? Well, that's okay. i did I went on a field trip to another country for this whole thing. So, you know.
01:51:50
Speaker
Are we actually covering the musical? Because if we're covering the musical... I i sent you a linga and told you you have homework to do. ah Do we want to do this as a watch party? yeah our go We'll have a couple of drinks. We'll get through with this.
01:52:03
Speaker
you have oh well We'll talk about this offline. yeah But anyway, thank you for all for listening, if especially if you're on Patreon. If you pirated this, um I understand why. But if you didn't pirate this, thanks so much for contributing to this.
01:52:17
Speaker
None of us are cops. We're not going to report you. Yeah, I'm not going to go after you. i might be disappointed in you, but I won't get upset. If this episode is actually being aired as an unlocked, well, congratulations on being loyal enough to let us so take, um you know, whatever of our usual episode periods off.
01:52:33
Speaker
We either managed to survive for a long period for a long time, or we really fucked up the schedule and needed to release this to fill it. Yeah, that one of those two. Anyway, but goodbye, everybody.
01:52:45
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Bye. by
01:52:58
Speaker
Shawinigan Moments is written and recorded on the unceded territories of the Squamish, Musqueam, Stolo, and Sewatuth First Nations in what is otherwise called Vancouver.