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Episode 9 - Getting to Second Base with Jackie
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For a brief period, Jackie Robinson, famed for breaking the colour line in professional baseball, had played for a baseball team in Montréal. In this episode, we describe how a man who was more focused on football and found himself discharged from the military, ended up being a baseball great, winning a World Series in Major League Baseball, and also a civil rights activist.
Also forgive the three minutes of international Tim Horton's talk at the end.
If you feel like suffering through a trailer for a dead-on-arrival TV series about a real estate agent, have at you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zSutRvfhU
Heritage Minute:
https://www.historicacanada.ca/productions/minutes/jackie-robinson
News articles:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/eels-vancouver-airport-tarmac-1.7260133
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-ont-elver-seizure-1.7208615
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Transcript
Introduction and Leila Yang's TEDx Journey
00:00:00
Speaker
So Tamarack? Yes. I was walking down Burrard Street and take a look at your Discord real quick here. Oh no, not TEDx. Why? That wasn't the first thing I wanted you to look at. But yeah, I was walking down, ra sorry, down Burrard and I see this poster or this ad for Leila Yang who works for a real estate company. And immediately as spotted two things. One, it still shows the Twitter logo and rightfully so. Which is based. Yes. We will. we I remind you, we will stop dead naming Twitter when Elon stops dead naming his daughter. Exactly. And I saw the TEDx logo as you correctly saw, I was kind of hoping, like, I was kind of hoping that you would go like, what am I looking at here? But you immediately saw the same thing I did. So you and I are in the same wavelength.
00:00:57
Speaker
So I went and looked up this TEDx Shaughnessy. Not TEDx Vancouver, TEDx Shaughnessy. Like, okay, for those of you who are unfamiliar, ah TED Talks is um basically a way of, for like the capitalist class, the tech bro capitalist class to jerk themselves off. TEDx, anyone can just have one if they just pay for the license? Yeah, you can have a TEDx your backyard and then have a TED talk. This is sort of a meta conversation to a previous cold opening we did when I shared that AI video or not AI video that AI conversation from the CBC. That guy ran a TEDx.
00:01:39
Speaker
Oh, of course you did. but Again, this is for tech bros, like the the the tech elites to jack themselves off. So TedX Shaughnessy really stood out to me. He's like, why does Shaughnessy, one of the old money neighborhoods in Vancouver, Yes. Need its own Ted. And so I went and looked at what Leila Yang, a real estate agent, would talk about at TEDx. And naturally it shows the sponsors of TEDx Odyssey. And I think, like, let's not name them, please. Let's not name the companies. I'm going to blurt that I'm going to censor them. I'm not advertising these companies, but yes, real estate.
00:02:22
Speaker
No, ive that's those are my guesses for the entire sponsor board. Don't mention companies. don't i like I didn't even mention the real estate companies he works for. so so like Is it the end? Fuck. No, it's not. but it's but a couple of them But they all are real estate. Yeah.
Leila Yang's Real Estate Career and Videos
00:02:40
Speaker
So, I was just like, oh boy, you know, like some TED talks are good. I have genuinely enjoyed some TED talks. I really liked the one by Elizabeth Holmes, but anyway. Oh, oh fuck yes. Now you understand, you're like, who's, like oh wait, her. i i always have I always forget her name yeah um because she just, she's just insane.
00:03:07
Speaker
Well, no, she's her stage presence is kind of incredible. She wanted to be the the Steve Jobs of blood machines. Yes. She dressed like Steve Jobs. It was so weird. So in any event, Lila Yang did a talk on real estate at TEDx. And, you know, if you're like, if you're in real estate, sure, whatever, I don't care. But it's. really funny because her entire talk was what I would expect out of a real estate agent as in don't piss off your client. It was that was better entire talk is like she was talking about how she was once an airline stewardess or something like that. And then she went on to become a real estate agent for people who buy million dollar homes as if somehow that really matters because I swear to God every house sold in Vancouver is a million dollar home.
00:04:00
Speaker
Yeah, i a mildly dated website now is a crackshacker mansion ah where it shows you a photo of a rundown house and it asks you whether or not this is more than $2 million. dollars So Leila Yang has the bio that says she's a real estate agent and also an actor. Yes. And and so I was like, what the fuck is she acting in? And it turns out that she tried to get her real estate agency to do like an entire series about selling homes, elite selling of homes. And like, let me send you the video and I will link the video in the show notes. I'm looking at the roster for TEDx Shaughnessy. Oh, no. Just watch this video. Watch this.
00:04:54
Speaker
Watch this video. Watch this video. Good grief. Is this just everybody I thought it was going to be? Like everybody. Are you watching the video? Yes or no? Uh, one sec. Just watch the video because I don't care about that. But that part is as insane as every other real estate agency I come across. The editing on this hurts. Oh, I know. Isn't this insane? This is, this is, I mean, I'm at the part where she's getting fired for seducing her boss's greasy husband? Uh, client's greasy husband? Yes. So wait, can
00:05:33
Speaker
wait is this where that name is familiar from? She's gone in trouble with, uh, it would be in threatening to her clients. Yes. Yeah.
Podcast Hosts and Pop Culture References
00:05:43
Speaker
So again, like we're not going to play this video audio because like this audio the audio for this particular trailer is largely in Mandarin. So we're not going to play it and on here because I don't even know what I would want to keep. it's just i'm also I'm also not going to include the video because Like, i am I am no pro at editing, as YouTube viewers can attest to. ah The editing on this video hurts. I will include a link if you feel the need to suffer. Oh yeah, this will be in the show notes for for the audio version.
00:06:18
Speaker
Yeah. But so the thing is, it's like it's called Agent Unbreakable and it was filmed or rather the trailer was made in February 2021. So like this was made during Covid and masks, no masks, no masks. You don't see anything like that at all. So maybe they were filming in 2019. I don't know. But the thing is, is that it never aired. So I would love to know that what happened with all of this, all this video that they made for this. I mean, the Rob B. Roll would be really fun to to locate. So that's not even the worst part because she still makes videos. Like if you go to her personal website, that is I don't think it's actually on the billboard itself, but it has like a dance routine between her and her real estate agents. OK, so if I search Lele, Lele Yang PREC. Oh, hey, here we go.
00:07:12
Speaker
And it's just a dance routine. She's doing a dance routine. So like she tries and be like this millionaire real estate agent and she's doing dance routines and has done a TEDx talk on doing real estate. Wow. Which she proudly posts on her website. Yes. I like, okay, to be fair, I am a performer, so I can sort of understand the desire to want to do this sort of thing, but what the fuck? One, two, three.
00:07:45
Speaker
What's up, sports fans? Welcome to the Schewinnegan Baseball Moments podcast. I'm Tamarack. My pronouns are they, them, or it is. I'm going to correct you on this one. It's the Schewinnegan Moments podcast. There's no sports in this. And my name is Heather, and I use she or they pronouns. Do not listen to her. We are continuing our baseball act, or baseball arc, sorry. Instead of talking about a Canadian who played for an American team, Barely. ah We're going to talk about a American who played for a Canadian team. Barely. ah But first, we have the news.
00:08:30
Speaker
What do you got? You cannot beat Leyla Yang. i will not be i will not yeah will break a full of realtor I will not be able to beat Leyla Yang. But I can at least say that I can talk about some other forms of snakes. Enough is enough! I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane! Everybody strap in! I'm about to open some fucking windows. That was a clip from the movie, Snakes on a Plane, probably one of the best B movies to have ever been made.
00:09:08
Speaker
Honestly, yes. Okay, so before I get into the actual news, because it does relate to this, um I genuinely love Snakes on a Plane. like It is the dumbest, stupidest movie I've ever watched in my life, and it's also the most fun. Unironic masterpiece. It's up there with ah with actual cannibal Shia LaBeouf for like things that shouldn't work, but so fucking work. The story about Snakes on a Plane is rather interesting because they wrote the script with Samuel L. Jackson in mind, I believe. And then at some point they were like, we're going to rename the movie from Snakes on a Plane to it was like Pacific Flight 923 or something stupid like that. yeah And so Samuel L. Jackson's like, you're keeping that name or I'm leaving. Yes. so This is going to be Snakes on a Plane.
00:09:55
Speaker
So this comes from the CBC, and it does involve some Slytherin creatures, but not snakes this time around. Eels writhed on Vancouver Airport tarmac after escaping from box. Eels were collected and repackaged. Companies in contact with customer according to Air Canada. And they do make a reference to the 2006 film, Snakes on a Plane. But what it turns out is, and there's a video from um Twitter that shows this happening, but a bunch of eels that were in a box ah had managed to escape. Like the box was punctured at some point and they were all like just writhing on the tarmac. And this was like on one of the days that we had something like 30 plus degree weather, which this sucked. And so I could only imagine what it was like for eels, which are fish.
00:10:43
Speaker
Yes, ah some unagi was made ah upon the tarmac that day. Yeah, I imagine that these were fish intended for food, not for anything else. Because like, why else would you ship eels? But they were all alive. Yeah, that's the perplexing part. Like, is there a freshness with I don't eat meat and have it for like 15 years. So I don't know. Is there like a freshness thing? Yeah, I don't know. The thing is, is we don't get told like this is a very short news article, admittedly, because the video itself is just, you know, the important part is a bunch of eels just struggling on on a tarmac in the hot sun during the heat wave that we had last week. And yeah, I feel bad for the creatures. Oh, I'm looking at it. Oh, yeah, you get to see them just struggling on the on the pavement there. Oh, that's oh, that's awful. Yeah. And like this girl screaming and like you can just see the box like they were just sliding down the conveyor belt on the on that truck there. Oh, that's that's heartbreaking. It is. I find eels like their faces. I find them weirdly cute.
00:11:55
Speaker
Yeah, and this I'm i'm not 100% certain but I think this is in the international section because they're all big planes I just one of the tail fins I believe is um a non Canadian airline there at least.
Jackie Robinson's Life and Early Challenges
00:12:09
Speaker
So they must have come from like some flight overseas it just doesn't say in the article. It might have been freight forwarded, but yeah, probably somebody was just packing ah in their their stowed luggage, ah probably a like iced box of eels or something. I'd imagine. Yeah. And the thing is, it's like there's been um some issues in the past where eels have been seized. To the best of my knowledge, these were imported legally. Again, um I'm a vegetarian. I don't really have much to say other than I really felt bad for seeing those eels on the tarmac the way they were.
00:12:43
Speaker
Yeah, they're cuties. I had an excuse to play a clip from Stakes on the Plane and I really felt that it was a worthwhile article for today. Yes, I i too am sick of these motherfucking eels on this motherfucking plane. They belong in the river habitats that third're that they were originally in. Put them back. So going back to Snakes on a Plane, I saw Snakes on a Plane in a theater. I can safely say that that clip that I played earlier, I had not heard those words after um he said the famous line.
00:13:15
Speaker
Everybody strap in and yeah to open some windows. Yes. And the thing is, is that when people like when I was in the movie theater and he said, I'm tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane or whatever it was he said now, everybody erupted in cheer. And it drowned out those sentences. So that was like to in every trailer was that line. though I know. And everybody wanted to hear Samuel L. Jackson say this. Because it's such a cool line. It's so stupid and cool at the same time. It's so good. But again, you know, he says it and none of us know what was being said afterward because everybody was just cheering about the fact that he finally said it.
00:14:04
Speaker
He's also one of those people with like such a voice and like such a presence in like how he says things. The man could read a phone book and have everyone on the edge of their seats. Well, say about Jackson's an incredibly gifted actor. Like I enjoy watching him play even in shit movies like snakes on the plane is not a great movie and he just he does great like He's great in the Star Wars prequels, and that's what made the prequels a little bit more palatable. And he's great in the Marvel movies, despite the fact that I got so tired of Marvel movies. This is the second episode in a row where I introduce a wedge between us. I am a full-throated prequel apologist. I think they were good. Oh, yeah. What is your favorite Samuel L. Jackson movie then?
00:14:51
Speaker
that is that is difficult to That is difficult to decide. I don't think I can pick one. He was in Jurassic Park, I think. I try to remember if that we fit was him or not. I'm pretty certain it was. Yeah, but for like a hot minute. So that's one of his earlier roles. like i think He's been acting since he's been acting since like the 80s, although I think even earlier than that. He's actually fairly old now. he's like like I think he's in his 70s. Yeah, and he's still going. But he's he's been in a whole wackload of movies. And like every time I've seen him in a movie like I want to say he's probably been in like like four dozen movies, but like every time he does a role, he just fucking kills it. He just kills it. Whatever role he takes on, he's good. Like he was. Oh, OK. One of his most one of the more fun roles that he did was um um he was in Kingsman the Secret Service.
00:15:41
Speaker
Yes. So that if that was that probably one of the more fun roles that I've seen him in. But like I haven't and just remember the last. Maybe I even saw him with it and like two hundred and sixteen actor credits. Two hundred and sixteen. Jesus Christ. Anyway, Samuel Jackson rules. And I'm so glad he did Snakes on a Plane. And that's the news. Last episode, again, in our baseball arc of Shewin again, baseball moments, the podcast about Shewin again, baseball.
00:16:11
Speaker
I love you. Love you, Heather. Okay, whatever. Go on, ruining this podcast with sports. uh we we talked hey this was your idea anyways this is your idea i just ruined it um uh so last episode we talked about women softballs slowly morphing into baseball and then fizzling out today we're going to talk about uh someone who wasn't really a baseball player who ended up having a kind of legendary baseball career or roll the clip
00:16:51
Speaker
Record numbers of cherry Montrealers helped Jackie Robinson break baseball's color bar that year. He never forgot the city, but launched his journey to baseball's Hall of Fame. That's right. We're talking about Jackie Robinson, my favorite Roosevelt out of the Roosevelt's ah in American public consciousness around that time. Middle name was Roosevelt. That's quite a name choice there. Uh, yes. And also as my episodes are known to have the hauntology of this episode, cause that name's going to come up a lot. So Jackie was born Jack Roosevelt Robinson in, on January 31st, 1919. Note his date of birth in fake Cairo in Georgia. Uh, so he's an Aquarius, an important facts. Okay. I didn't know that he's, uh, I didn't know he fell into sapphic circles, but okay.
00:17:47
Speaker
He's an Aquarius, you gotta watch out for him. ah Anyway, the middle name was in honor of Theodore Roosevelt, which is dark if I've ever heard one considering ah Teddy's view on African Americans, but also he was a president of ah of his time, so fair. The very next year, his father left his mother and his family, including their extended family, basically picked up sticks and moved to a pair of houses next to each other in Pasadena, California. One of these two houses still stands to this day, ah but the never neighborhood in which he grew up throughout kind of the twilight years of his career would be torn up and bifurcated by a California 210, a drawn-out process spanning from 58 to the mid-70s.
00:18:34
Speaker
I'm certain that all the freeways that were built through all of these random neighborhoods that were randomly chosen to build these brand new motorways um had nothing to do with anything other than randomness. I originally, when I wrote this, I was going to be like ah grew up near the only non-racially motivated highway in California, which was the Arroyo Freeway. But his neighborhood was not impacted by the Arroyo Freeway because it was mostly around the river, which is why it didn't plow down as much. Unfortunately, his neighborhood was in the path of the 210, which very much was where look at the red line map that the banks drew up because they did their racism for them.
00:19:15
Speaker
And highways basically just took a marker through it. And just for the record, if you're wondering, if you live in Vancouver and you take one of the overpasses that goes into downtown Vancouver, we're talking about the Dunsmere or Georgia Street Viaducts. Those cut through a historical black neighborhood as well. So it happened in this country, too. called Hogan's Alley. And it is every Vancouverites sacred duty to make sure when those overpasses come down, we fucking hold city council to their promise to restore Hogan's Alley. You know that won't happen with Ken Simp. Credible vacation experience for the whole family. Come on out. Join the fun. What a city. Don't miss it. Three day tickets and information at the Royal Bank.
00:20:02
Speaker
I have no comment. I think I might have to censor that out. Probably yes. So they moved to Pasadena, California. Despite the relative affluence of Pasadena at the time, they lived in relative poverty because African American family surviving in a rather touristy area. To top off the kind of weird economics of tourist towns, Jackie's mother, who was the primary breadwinner for their household, ah survived mostly off of informal employment, just odd jobs rather than anything particularly stable during his upbringing.
00:20:38
Speaker
So shit was tight. However, growing up in a fairly well off kind of twin city to Los Angeles would, of course, give at Jackie access to all the recreational opportunities and amenities ah befitting and error just kidding. ah That shit was whites only even in California at the time. What, Progressive California was once racist and hasn't been racist since a certain president was elected? Yeah, unfortunately no. Anyways... Obama wasn't president yet, so racism wasn't solved. But we're gonna solve racism in case, Paul. Oh, right. My mistake. My mistake. I'm so sorry.
00:21:16
Speaker
Yeah, so all the recreational facilities and sporting things that would have hypothetically been made available weren't. ah So we joined a gang instead, though only briefly, or it was heavily glossed over in ah in materials written about them, because this is I could only find the one reference to this. That can also be very coded to like if somebody makes a reference to this. As early as junior high, uh, he already showed a lot of talent for sports. He competed in track and field. He was a quarterback for the hand egg team. You got to stop calling gridiron football hand egg.
00:21:57
Speaker
Sorry, that's fine. There are people out there who do like football and I may disagree with their choices, but like whatever. He was a quarterback for his junior high football team, guard for their basketball team, and he was also a shortstop and catcher for the varsity baseball team, which is why I made reference to the Dick Box last episode when it came up. Fuck you and your Dick Box.
00:22:24
Speaker
Dick Fox is done. He never plays this position again. Fair enough. I guess gone until next episode. I don't know if I'm going to bring it back. Is it a good bit? Tell us in the comments. By the time we do the recording, I don't think the comments will matter. No. Side note, I was today years old when I learned that varsity jackets aren't just generic school athletic wear. ah You actually need to earn them. And he had varsity jackets for all four of these sports. That's pretty impressive. Yeah, I only learned what what lettered mean, and he was, in fact, lettered for track, football, basketball, and baseball. Damn. Yeah, crazy. This is sort of a family thing, because ah his brother, Mack Robinson, in 1936, was headed off on a little trip with one Jesse Owens to go make a bunch of Nazis mad at the Berlin Olympics, where Jesse and Mack were first and second in the 200-meter dash.
00:23:18
Speaker
respectively, if you wondered who the other fellow is on the podium that Hitler didn't want to shake hands with. Of course. Hitler noted race enthusiast. Yes, the very year that that was happening, ah Jackie won the Pacific Coast, not going to say that word, tennis tournament in the Junior Boys Singles Division. Yeah, there was ah this is a time where that word was being used to describe the players that were playing in that league. And and I don't know if I should ever use it in the historical context and I don't feel like it.
00:23:50
Speaker
i I am certain of my stance on this, and I won't. i Yeah, that's fair. Give no credence to the people who decided that that was the appropriate term, and I'm unconvinced by historians saying that using the language at the time is okay. Yeah, it's not. It wasn't okay then. It's not okay now. I don't see a debate. Anyway, yeah, we sadly would not get a Jackie Robinson tennis career out of out of the deal. But I find the juxtaposition interesting that Jackie winning a segregated tennis tournament. At the same time, his brother was ruining hit Hitler's day is is a little striking, maybe something to ponder on.
00:24:31
Speaker
That said, the majority of team sports he participated in during school, his school was a desegregated school, so he was on desegregated team. The tennis example I just find particularly grating. This athletic performance would continue throughout his high school career.
Jackie Robinson's College and Military Experience
00:24:46
Speaker
ah He was noted to be an outstanding athlete, once again taking up multiple sports. He would also be elected as a little side note for his high school career to a body of his high school called the Lancers, which were student-run cops. so dear much like Much like Power Patrol, ACAB did briefly apply to Jackie Robinson. Wait, so this wasn't like a a hall monitor situation, which I've seen. Like, I've never had a hall monitor in school before because it was not a thing where I was going to, but like it's been a thing portrayed in like popular media from the States. It's not like that. It's more. I i think that's mostly what it was. It's like enforcing school rules.
00:25:28
Speaker
okay sort of like uh sort of like a student government sort of dealio that's the vibe i got famously you're never corrupt Yes, which famously are never corrupt. Anyway, so, conversely, in January of 1938, as a contrasting element to this stint as a lancer, in his sophomore year, he was arrested for a verbal authentication with a cop, a dispute over the detention of one of his friends, for which he was given a two-year suspended sentence for this terrible, awful crime of arguing, perhaps aggressively, with a police officer. Hey, you know what?
00:26:00
Speaker
Do you do the crime? You gotta do the time, right? It doesn't matter what the law says. The law is correct in all cases. Uh, yes, this will not be the first totally not a fucking crime thing that he ended up getting in shit for. what What do you mean? there's there's There's racial bias in the police? Always has been. It's what they're for. Oh, that's ah that my world view. So, upon graduation from high school, he enrolled in UCLA. So suck it, conservatives. UCLA was woke before you were fucking born.
00:26:34
Speaker
his His main sport was actually football. I cannot stress that enough. He actually wasn't a particularly good baseball player at this at this time, like an exceptionally good baseball player. He was an in for his Bo Jackson. Yeah, so he was one of four African American students who were players in the 1939 UCLA Bruins roster, which also made UCLA the most integrated team at the time for nominally desegregated at the time college football. He continued on playing ah track and baseball in college sports, but football was his main thing. However, just before graduation, he actually bounced out of college, he did not graduate, to join a New Deal era organization called the National Youth Administration.
00:27:23
Speaker
as an athletic director for his regional area. The National Youth Administration was part of Works Progress Administration's New Deal thing created in 1935. The idea is to put America's youth to socially useful and constructive work with a sub-goal of preventing high school and college dropouts, which is really ironic that he went to work for them by dropping out of college. But it did use it had youths being paid a pretty good wage for the time, doing productive things like building furniture, making toys, construction and repair of public buildings, including gymnasiums, sports fields, laying and repairing sidewalks, construction of playground equipment, and military ordinance assembly.
00:28:07
Speaker
The good stuff, you know, public goods. It's kind of making me think of, I'm just trying to think of if it's similar to that of, um, catamavic, which I think did something very similar. Catamavic is kind of a little bit, uh, I think it's, it changed quite a bit from its original, but like, this sounds like I actually probably a catamavic might even be a poor description of it, but like. Yeah, this is ah this is a like part-time jobs guarantee program, like a lot of the Works Progress Administration little sub-program. An additional a little fun fact about the National Youth Administration is that it was not gender discriminatory. It was open to young women as well.
00:28:50
Speaker
And they were paid 75% of the wages that the boys were making. I think that's what the 30 to 40 part is. Oh, great. Actually, they're probably on the fucking nose then. Fucking need this. Yeah. Anyway, unfortunately, Jackie joined just in time for the organization to be shut down. So he decided to strike it out in professional football, which would again be cut short by the attack on Pearl Harbor and thus the draft. So basically he is, uh, he quit college to go work for an organization that paid um however much. And then all of a sudden and Japan attacks the United States and he's out of work and.
00:29:33
Speaker
Yeah, he was he was working there for under a year.
00:29:38
Speaker
Oh, so wait, I just realized what you're talking about here. So the organization was shut down and then per ah he went to play ah football and then that had to go and stop because of Pearl Harbor. Yes. Cool. Yeah. Bit of a bit of a run and and bit of foreshadowing. He would basically never play football again, which is kind of strange. He does this weird pivot after after the war. So as one does as a ah as someone on the West Coast, he joined the Black Panthers, but not those ones. Wait. That did not go in a direction. I was going like, wait a second, the Black Panthers. This is 1940s.
00:30:17
Speaker
Yes, when he was drafted, he successfully petitioned to be enrolled in officer training and was commissioned in 1943 as a second lieutenant. But the unit he was assigned to with his draft was the 761st Black Panthers, a quote unquote cavalry division. It was a tank division, and they are fairly famous of being an incredibly effective fighting unit. However, he would never be deployed. for two factors. The first, an ankle anchord injury from college sports, ah delayed the green light for deployment by two years. He had to get some tests, run some certifications and things like that to make sure he was like fit for deployment. Again, strange for a for cavalry division that was mostly mechanized, but salivie. The second was an incident where he bordered he boarded a desegregated army bus with the wife of a fellow officer.
00:31:09
Speaker
and was told by the driver to sit in the back of the bus, which he refused. Cool beans. Army buses at this time ran their own bus lines, and they were strictly desegregated buses. But you had that one dickhead driver who decided that he was going to enforce some sort of racial bullshit. Yeah, ah the driver relented to get underway, but when they arrived at their stop called the MPs on Robinson. The military police, you mean. Yes, the military police. Despite no actual code violation having occurred, he was recommended and by the interrogating officers who detained him for a court-martial for this offense. Whatever the fuck the offense was. Which his CO refused to authorize. What's the CO? Commanding officer, sorry. So commanding officer refused to authorize any court martial, probably seeing that this was fucking bullshit. And his commanding officer was commanding an entirely like segregated unit. Like he was in command of the Black Panthers. He knew what he was getting into. His commanding officer refused to authorize this bullshit court-martial, so what happened next was, of course, the most logical thing. He was transferred to another unit, whose commander approved of charges of insubordination, disturbing the peace, and public drunkenness. Though Robinson- Robinson was a deeply religious man and was not known to drink. So a known teeteler basically was told, suggested to have engaged in public drunkenness. That's cool. Yes. He would ultimately be acquitted for this for these charges and eventually was honorably discharged without ever being deployed or seeing combat.
Jackie Robinson's Baseball Career
00:32:52
Speaker
So all in all, what gear did he get kicked out of the military then? Forty four. OK, so if you're left in the war,
00:32:59
Speaker
Yes, ah he was he was just discharged his unit primarily fought in Europe. So their job was mostly done. They didn't need fresh command like fresh like junior officers in particular, the Soviets had already taken Berlin by this point, it was over. like, over, over. So yeah, he was audibly discharged, never being deployed, all in all, great military career. I mean this unironically, if you can get out of the army in modern days without ever being deployed, fan-fucking-tastic, all power to you. You get a pension out of it. Yeah, you get you get all the benefits with none of the having to do horrifying war crimes. Or have war crimes done to you.
00:33:41
Speaker
Yes, or have war crimes, or in some cases with the burn pits, just regular old crimes done to you. Or, you know, get exposed to random-ass chemicals such as the explosive, what do you call that, armor plate that they use on certain tanks now that's made of uranium. Oh yeah, explosive reactive armor. Yeah, it's uranium, right? Oh, ERA is different. Depleted uranium armor, though, is also not great for you. Yeah, or you know, the burn pits part is pretty fucked up by having learned to have burn pits. That is some of the most awful shit I've ever heard of. And now you wonder why a whole bunch of ex-military people in like from Iraq are getting like weird cancers. Yeah, pretty much like, again, that falls into the category of just regular old crimes done to you by your government. Yeah, the government never causes harm to its own people. ah Does it ever?
00:34:30
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Anyhow, during his time in the army, he met a, again, not gonna say it, American League player for the Kansas City Monarchs. This connection would, in some roundabout ways, materialize into a $400 a month, or $6,581 a month today, contract to play as a shortstop for the Monarchs in the season of 1945. I'm surprised at how much they're getting paid considering this league. Like, you know, like that's not a lot of money. This is American dollars, right?
00:35:02
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Yes. Okay. So, you know, they're making, you know, six figures in Canadian dollars just playing, you know, in today's money in that particular league. I did not expect him to get paid that much. Honestly. Yeah. Like this is, this is good money for the time. No, absolutely. He was kind of worth it. He played a stellar season overall. 47 games, 0.3. That's that's a, that's really good. That's not even his full power. Jesus. Five home runs, 13 stolen bases, which I hope he returned. No, I should never give him back. don't give ah Don't give your stolen bases back. You earned them.
00:35:40
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But he did not find this league to his liking. Low pay relative to what major league players were making. yeah But again, this is this is the censored American league so fair. A brutal travel schedule that was mostly bus driven because air travel wasn't a thing at the time, really. And I guess they cheaped out and didn't want to do rail tickets for some actual high speed transit for the day and age. And the strong presence of gambling interests in the league, which offended his ah deeply Christian sensibilities. Yeah, of course, to this day, you know, gambling is not a problem in Major League Baseball. There is no ongoing story in Major League Baseball today involving any player from a player from a team in California. I don't follow baseball news, but I am assuming it involves a player whose agent was messing about with. Yeah, I don't want to get too much into it. Fair, fair.
00:36:38
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Also, he'd played in desegregated college sports, so a lot of his white peers would have gone on to like NFL feeder teams, because again, he wasn't really a baseball player, despite being a fantastic baseball player. So like, he saw where things could go and like what a career could be. Given that there was precedent for African American men to play in Major League Baseball, Moses fleetwar Fleetwood Walker ah played for the Red Sox in 1884. He decided to attend the April 1945 tryouts for the Sox, which turned out to be mostly a sham. Only management was present for the tryouts. However, he was still subjected to a bunch of racial slurs and epithets the entire time and would leave humiliated. And the Sox, as I noted last episode, would be the last team to desegregate. Cool. Yeah.
00:37:31
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The really the um the uncomfortable part for me is that I actually like the Red Sox like in their current form I should add but it is unsettled upsetting to know that my one of my favorite teams in Major League Baseball is ah The most racist is that the best way to describe it? I don't know that's if we're gonna be trying to compete here on this one But is that it was run it was run by an absolute piece of shit at the time Yes, I think that's a good way of describing this However, there was a certain character from last episode, Wesley Branch Rickey, which I swear was his actual name, who was the general manager for the Brooklyn Dodgers. And he was scouting the, not gonna say it, leagues, for their international league feeder team, the Montreal Royals. And in August of 1945, he signed Robinson for $600 a month or $10,472 a month today but ah with money with the unwritten stipulation that he turned the other cheek when it came to racial antagonism. Oh, cool. I would love to join a league where um if I i get yelled all sorts of queerphobic epitaphs in my direction, yeah I feel like that would be very good for my morale.
00:38:44
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Yes, here's ah here's a little bit of a bonus, but like if they call you a dyke, you're not allowed to say anything. Well, I would take that as a compliment, but that's okay. Yeah, in that day and age, no. Staying silent in the face of of racial jeering was a thing he was famous for not doing. And also, the Kansas City Monarchs were not compensated at all for Robinson's departure because there weren't reserved clauses in his contracts. If I were to look at this from a purely business standpoint, that was the monarch's fault. Yes, it's shitty, but that's the biz. Yeah. His career in the royals gets off to a start. He reports to Daytona Beach for in Florida for spring training for 1946. First off, Clay Hopper, the royal's manager, asked Branch Rickey
00:39:37
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to resign Robinson to another Dodgers affiliate team, which Ricky refused. He then wasn't allowed to stay at the team hotel because it was segregated in whites only. ah So he was put up by activists, Joe and Dufferin Harris, who were a civil rights leader and politician in the local area. and a writer and editor for Daytona Beach ah News Journal, respectively, which wasn't at all a dangerous idea to shove somebody from their hotel to a bunch of political activists, but you do you racist idiots. If they weren't dumb, they wouldn't be racist. The Dodgers didn't actually have a a spring training facility, so they were denied several venues on account of Robinson and another African-American player for another Dodgers computer team.
00:40:23
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I just realized something I should add here. This is 1946. Yes. So this would have been the return of, um, these teams doing spring training in these warmer States. Yes, this this would have been basically the first season they would have been allowed to do this. And this is the shit the royals had to deal with. Cool. Yeah. I do kind of wonder after that bit from your episode, how many how many times thought cross ah ah Ricky's mind that fuck, we should have just done this in New York.
00:40:58
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We should have gotten back to Jersey. But then you'd be in New Jersey. I actually shouldn't say that. I do. I've been to New Jersey. It's like it's it's common for people in New York to go and shit on New Jersey. But I actually think New Jersey is a lovely place. But I'm certain that somebody I know who's friends with me who was from New Jersey is going to be like, what the fuck is she on about? Uh, Jersey's actually going to get a hell of a shout out of uncritical praise in a moment here. Okay, cool. The police chief of Sanford, Florida threatened to cancel any games in his municipality, regardless of venue, regardless of venues approval, where Robinson was participating.
00:41:34
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I love how the police are protecting everybody by just restricting a black man from playing a sports game. Protect and serve, baby. ah Yeah, ACAB. ACAB all the way. In Jacksonville, the stadium that they had booked for, I believe, an exhibition game was padlocked shut on game day without warning. I'm sure the contract stipulated that that was permitted. Probably due to there's like like white boys only clause in state law where they can do this. Who knows? Equal protection didn't exist at this point in time, so things were rough. Eventually, Ricky was able to secure a reliable field in Daytona Beach for an exhibition game with the Dodgers wherein Robinson was the first black player to play against a major league team since 1884. That's right, the guy from the Red Sox was the first and last.
00:42:26
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up until then. Holy shit. During spring training, Robinson didn't actually do super well, certainly not as well as he did in the past league, and was relocated from shortstop to second base, which would kind of be his prime position for most of his career. Apparently shorter throws or whatever, I don't actually know what a shortstop is. Okay, so shortstop. Okay, so you have your inner and outer field, and your inner field is where you have your other basis, right? And you have somebody on third, you have somebody on second, and you have somebody on first, and you have somebody at home play, and you have your pitcher. And the shortstop's role is you're sort of attached to the hip with the second base player. I'm going to butcher this because I know how to play it. I just have a hard time explaining it. But because of how often the ball goes off in that direction, you actually need a player to stand there, right? So the shortstop is going to go and catch the ball,
00:43:16
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The person who plays second base is supposed to run over to second base. What happens, though, is if the ball goes off in the other directions towards the right side of the field. So when we're talking about right and left, we're talking about being out towards where the batter is facing. So the batter is facing your right field is to their right and then left field to their right or to their left, excuse me. And what will happen is both second and short will play in tandem with each other. So like, I always need to know where my short is. I usually play second and that's the whole purpose of it because the ball is most likely going to go off in that direction. I see. It's like gambling on the handedness of your batters, basically. Exactly. But you what you really end up doing, though, most of the time is um if the ball goes off towards the right side of the field, then second base is generally taking on the role of trying to catch in and shortstop needs to run to second base.
00:44:05
Speaker
Okay, well, I'm today years old when I finally learned what a short stop is, despite writing a baseball episode. There you go. And if anyone hates my explanation, you can send an email to mailbag at schwinniganmoments.ca. At some point, we'll have enough emails where we can start correcting things or explaining something or um we can also ignore your emails, I guess, too. And remember, complaints go to pierre dot.polyev at gov dot.gc dot.ca. No, that's not his email. It's peerpolyev at parl dot.gc dot.ca. there's all Right, it's parl. Yeah, it's not GOV. Yes, I remember now. GOV is the US. Anyway, this is actually where we catch up to the Heritage Minute, or at least what I think they're trying to depict in the Heritage Minute.
00:44:50
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On April 18, 1946, in the season opener with the Jersey City Giants and Roosevelt Stadium, no less, he would get four hits with five at-bats, score four runs, and help carry the Royals to a 14-1 victory. Jesus Christ, that's a high score for um baseball. Yes, the Giants mildly got annihilated. And this is kind of where I think this is what they're trying to depict. Within the minute, the pitcher is shown throwing the ball at Robinson, which is somewhat accurate. The Giants pitcher, Warren Sandle, was instructed to hit Robinson, but he refused to do so and just didn't. Yeah, because if you get hit with a ball, you walk to first base and it's also like a highly offensive act to do it on purpose.
00:45:33
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Yes, but put a pin in that. That season, his inaugural season, this football player would go on to have a 3.49 batting average. just say You could just say 3.49. I could tell you're not a baseball person. I am not a baseball person. He has a 3.49 batting average, 9.85 fielding percentage. That's pretty good. And was named league MVP. that's Those are impressive stats. A 3.49 and a 9.85 is like... You are a boss player. You can certainly do better on batting, but you're youre you're doing pretty damn well. He also is 27 if you're doing the math on what year is it versus what year he was born. He's old. Yeah, no kidding. um I think like to be a 3-4-5 puts you in the range of like people like Babe Ruth territory because I think he batted a 3-4 something.
00:46:27
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that you're not the only one to notice this. He was both generally well-liked by Montreal of Royals fans, and after the 1946 baseball season concluded, and a minor stint playing professional basketball with the short-lived LA Red Devils franchise, the next year in 1947, he was called up to play in the Dodgers. the major leagues, one year in a feeder team. Incredible. This is again, well, this year he'd be at the age of 28. He initially because they had a very entrenched second base player, he would play first base initially, but that ended fairly quickly. And he became their kind of default starter for second base. So they did it. Racism in America and by extension, Canada is solved forever. Yeah, right.
00:47:12
Speaker
Yeah, I'm so glad we're reaching racial harmony and we've achieved equity amongst everybody. ah Yeah, about that. While Robinson had firm, and I mean firm support from the team manager, ah Leo DeRocher, sorry if I butchered that, ah he was subjected to all kinds of abuse. The racial epithets that he was contractually obligated to ignore, intentional attempts at injury by opposing teams, getting slid into having things thrown at him including baseballs, which are fast and hard, and one alleged incident
00:47:46
Speaker
where the St. Louis Cardinals threatened to strike if Robinson was allowed to play, stay classy, Missouri, and that the strike would spread across the league. Though Cardinals players themselves deny that any such strike action was planned or was going to take place, and none did take place. It was just locker room talk, right? Yeah. But, ultimately, the tide was turning, and for the 1948 season the following year, it would prove much less dramatic as more African American players were entering the major leagues. By 1949, he got a song about him in Buddy Johnson's Did You See Jackie Robson Hit That Ball, which is
00:48:28
Speaker
it It's a banger. It's good. Not included because we're a young podcast and don't want to get copyright strikes. However, in 1949, he was also asked to testify before the House Un-American Activities Committee because who wasn't in those days over statements made by a fellow African-American athlete? Not even one. I think he particularly knew he was just asked to testify because McCarthyism is great. Yeah, I didn't have any long term effects on the United States. 1949 was also the year where he made his World Series debut, though they lost to the Yankees in five. This will be a recurring theme. In 1950, he was the highest paid of any Dodgers player to that point, making $35,000 in 1950s dollars per year. Jesus Christ, that's a lot of money.
00:49:13
Speaker
$456,270 a year today. yeah like that That's not a lot of money by today's centers in MLB, but like in sports? This was unprecedented because this was the beginning of unprecedented salaries. That year, he also played himself in the Jackie Robinson story. What a meta movie. Yeah, but he was really moving up in the world. I'm happy for that. Was it a movie or TV series? It's a movie. Oh, okay. Well, uh, 1950? That makes sense. He was still having an active baseball career. Dude can't shoot a TV series. He and the Dodgers would flirt with the World Series several times in his career, usually losing out to the Yankees, until 1955, when the Dodgers would win the World Series in seven games, his first taste of victory. Though this overall wouldn't be a stellar year for the then 36-year-old Robinson, hitting 236 and stealing only 12 bases, which again, I hope he returned. we When we were watching that baseball game yesterday, we certainly saw people who had 236 up to bat. Yeah, he did a normal amount of good. But again, he was their highest paid player.
00:50:24
Speaker
Yeah, it makes sense. You don't want to be paying somebody who isn't really pulling their weight, so to speak. 1956 would only be a marginally better year for him while they still made it to the World Series. In Game 7, which was the decisive one if I remember correctly, he would strike out when he was up to bat. That kind of did it for them. The Dodgers would move to trade Robinson to the Giants, but surprise. Robinson had already made a deal with the then-company president of Chock Full of Nuts to accept a position as an executive within the coffee chain. I was going to say, like I ah haven't heard Chock Full of Nuts as coffee in ages. That's a New York-based one, isn't it?
00:51:03
Speaker
Yes, the New York coffee chain. ah So he truly, he truly was overrated, but never traded. He made a clean break, he quit out of baseball, and that's kind of what he did for the rest of his working years. But let's recap the career of this football player having a 10 season baseball career. Six World Series, one of which was a championship. Six All-Star Games. Overall, a 3-11 batting average. a 409 on base percentage, 197 stolen bases. Again, I hope he gave them back. No, he should not. 19 of them were a home plate, which is really important because you have less of those. And he was inducted to the Hall of Fame the very year he was eligible to be inducted.
00:51:48
Speaker
But his most crowning achievement was the uncountable legion of racist assholes who both will and have died mad about it. Nice. So 1957, ages 37, Jackie Robinson has retired. He would also that year unfortunately be diagnosed with diabetes, which at that time, despite the availability of insulin, wasn't As solvable soluble as a problem as it is today, there's a lot more like physical degradation that would happen over the course of treatments, even with regular injections. It's also a future um ah top episode topic for us is on insulin. Yes. The man who saved a lot of people's lives and asked for barely anything in return. In 1959, he entered into the whites-only waiting room of Greenville Municipal Airport in South Carolina and refused to leave. after airport police were called and asked him to. A move you cannot get away with today. I get, yeah, yeah well I'm gonna say like, well, for one thing, in segregation in that airport, I imagine it does not exist anymore. But yeah, ah going toe to toe with airport police, especially these days is never really gonna work out for you.
00:52:59
Speaker
Yeah, no. Do not do this at home. Dudes rock. Dudes rock. Like, this was a ballsy move, relying on the fact that he was now a coffee chain executive and a baseball celebrity. They weren't going to do nothing. Later, at an NAACP speech in Greenville, he urged his fellow citizens to protest their second-class status. Good. Yes, he remained a politically active and outspoken advocate for civil rights, all the way until his death, all the way throughout his career, especially critiquing the White Boys Club of team managers and administrators. This is a little hard to predict. Last episode, he once even turned down an old-timers game invitation at Yankee Stadium in 1969. I believe this was at a protest, not for it being at Yankee Stadium, but because of these issues.
00:53:49
Speaker
He's not even really an old timer. There are, there are, there is one player in MLB who would have been Jackie Robbins, sorry, Jackie Robinson's age. Like he is Jackie Robinson's age at that point when he was invited to the Yankee Stadium game. Like I'm trying to remember, he pitches for, I want to say the Diamondbacks. I just can't remember his name. He's like 46 or 47. And like he would, Jackie Robinson's only two years older than that. It's kind of wild. Yeah, Robinson would have been 50 at that time. I don't know if I would call it old timers at that point, but sure.
Jackie Robinson's Legacy and Civil Rights Advocacy
00:54:22
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So his final public appearance was on October 15th, 1972, throwing the opening pitch to game two of the World Series in Cincinnati, a stadium where not 24 years prior, fans were shouting slurs at him. Cool. And nine days later, he would pass of a heart attack in his home at the age of 53. I imagine that the heart attack must have been complications from his diabetes. Most certainly. He definitely was an impressive player and somebody who was a man of his own convictions. he spent Throughout his entire career, he was constantly agitating about the treatment that he received during like during playing just generally.
00:55:05
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and he used his kind of status afterwards to be an agitator for civil rights. did he Did he go as far as some on the left might have wished? No, but he didn't cower in front of it, and he had a long track record of standing up for himself and his his fellow man. So honestly, 10 out of 10 person. One thing just to tie him back to considering he does have a Heritage Minute, and um it's not mentioned the Heritage Minute, I believe, is that prior to his death, um when he died in 1972, he also was a commentator for the Montreal Expos doing the telecasts. He was only part time, like i don't I don't know how much, like how many he did, but
00:55:53
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Yeah, he did a lot of he did a lot of like appearances in public speaking and stuff like that, and was still involved in the world of baseball, again, as ah as a critical voice. But yeah, he I think limiting his involvement to Montreal to just the Royals was a little bit reductive on a historical Canada's part, because he still kind of maintained ties to the city. And realistically, his time with the Royals was for one season and one season only. which is why I consider the Heritage Minute is depicting the season opener with with Jersey City. There's a bit from the Montreal Gazette from ah about a decade ago that published a letter that was read by Rachel Robinson, <unk> widow she said that, I remember Montreal and that house very well and and I've always had warm feeling for that great city. Before Jack and I moved to Montreal, we had been through some very rough treatment in the racially biased South during spring training in Florida, like we mentioned earlier.
00:56:49
Speaker
In the end, Montreal was the perfect place for him to get a start. We never had a threatening or unpleasant experience there. The people were so welcoming and saw Jack as a player and as a man. And that's from Montreal Gazette in 2011. Beautiful. So yeah, that's the story of Jackie Robinson. What did we learn sports fans? I guess I'm being called out on this. Well, what I learned is that I have a problematic fave in the MLB and that it's rather wild to think that no more than 20 years prior to my being born, Jackie Robinson was experiencing absolute nonsense, actually 20 years, more like 24 years before I was born. No, not that old. 25 years before I was born, segregation in airports was still a thing in the United States.
00:57:38
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and to a certain extent still sort of exists in other ways, just more subtle. Yeah, it lives within my brain forever that American schools are more segregated than they were at the start of segregation because of the rise of charter and private schools. Yeah, but hey, that's not a our focus on this podcast, unfortunately. We'll just find other ways to talk about racism. i ah Thankfully, Historic Canada has given us a beautiful gift in a in a Heritage Minute just about rural schools, one-room schools. Do I have some comments?
00:58:17
Speaker
we ah We don't even need to ask what what the next episode is going to be. It's going to be a rough one, but it's still on baseball. Yes. If this episode is about getting the racism out of baseball, next episode is going to be when we put it back in.
00:58:33
Speaker
Yeah. Um, thanks for listening to the podcast. If you have any comments or questions, you can write to us at mailbag at jwinniganmoments.ca. We also have have a Patreon, you go to patreon dot.com slash winniganmoments. um, if you feel like contributing to us or, uh, yeah, I guess just contributing to us. I really don't know how to talk about giving us money. Um, you know, it definitely helped us with the show. We have a strictly coffee based or coffee pinned, uh, Patreon to your system. Yeah, the really funny thing is we're talking about this right now and it's a good chance that it might actually not be correct when we finally launched the Patreon. But um if if this recording, this part of the recording stays in and I haven't voiced it over, um it'll be indexed to certain things that are being sold at Tim Hortons. A place that you get the best coffee in Canada, right?
00:59:23
Speaker
It's a place where you get the coffee some coffee in Canada. Do you know what I found out? so i'm going By the time this recording comes out, I'll be in the UK. And I found out that they have Tim Hortons in the United Kingdom that you can try. No. Yeah, no. I didn't realize this until, because I haven't been to the UK in like seven years, right? And so I'm going to go there for two weeks. and but Plus, I'm also going to Ireland as well. And I'm kind of curious about trying a British Tim Hortons Wait, so we can do localized pricing in both pounds, euros, if it's in Ireland, and USD. Ireland doesn't have any Tim Hortons. Okay, so we can do you pound USD. Spain has Tim Hortons, though. Pardon? Spain has Tim Hortons. So we can do yeah regionalized pricing based upon our our scientific index of large Tim Hortons coffee.
01:00:13
Speaker
Let me before we can end the episode, let me find out where Tim Horns are located in the UK and if um where I can find that if it's actually anywhere near like near public transport, because I'm making it a point not to drive during this trip. So let's find out. Let's find out. Let's go on the Tim Horns website. This is we're trying to finish the episode. I'm by golly. I'm going to find where I'm going to go over time as well. Oh, who cares? All right. So in London, Notting Hill is probably one of the closest ones. Oh, my God. So near Park Royal in in Park Royal rather next to a Tesco. OK, yeah. it's Oh, cool. It's OK. So I found the Tim Hortons that's actually near a um near a tube stop. So if I go to that one, that's an option. And then when I'm in Edinburgh, let's see here, because there should be one there.
01:01:04
Speaker
It's gonna be nowhere. Nope. There are no none in Edinburgh So if I decide to go to a Tim Hortons in the UK, it'll have to be in the one you're Notting Hill Which also has a burger King. Yeah. Well, they're owned by they're owned by the same company i Guess that you know what that's fair. This looks like God this this you could copy paste are Are you looking at the satellite of this? Surely pull up the satellite for this this if you removed the text and told me oh, yeah This is ah this is just some like this is some god-awful strode based ah suburb in like Alberta high percent or whatever hell you call them and Yeah, but like this is this is peak North American city design. I found I found the Tim Hortons. I want to see where this is. OK. Oh, wow you know what's wild is that they even have like this is so weird. It has a drive through. Yes. It has donuts. Oh, I found a menu. OK, well, I might do a little bit of a report back when we do our episode recordings upon my return. Going to a fucking strip mall in in the UK.
01:02:11
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I have time that I could probably pull this off. I'm going to be in the UK long enough that I can go and visit this fucking horrible monstrosity. Like Tim Hortons is already dogshit to begin with. Oh, there's a Tesla Center there. I'm not driving a fucking Tesla. I know it's just this is this is all of North America shoved into one godawful place. In the next episode, after the next episode, I'll have a report about eating Tim Hortons in London. Yes, it'll be a it'll be a palate cleanser after the nightmare that is going to be next episode. All right. Well, that's a podcast, everybody. Thanks for putting up with an whip our mini episode or Tim Hortons Corner. We might even be should do a Tim Hortons Corner. Tim Hortons Corner. What's up with Tim Hortons? We're going to we should make that a corner for this. We'll make it the first episode will be Heather visits a British Tim Hortons.
01:03:03
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I could visit a U.S. Tim Hortons. That's doable. I've done that before. Anyway, regular Tim Hortons. Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye. We're done with Tim Hortons Corner. Bye, everybody. Bye.
01:03:26
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