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Episode 84: Just A Regular Episode Of Raw
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This week the boys are chatting King of the Ring, Smackdown, Buddy Murphy, Garrett's new favorite wrestler Roman Reigns and more on this very very regular edition of Predetermined!
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Intro & School Anecdotes
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, a man who has never once cheated on a spelling test, Derek Halpin. I don't know if I can stand by that. I mean, I don't think I have, but why that? Cause it's one another one of those days where you realize like, oh fuck, I gotta say something. And, uh, I don't know. That was just the first thing that popped into my head.
00:00:25
Speaker
You're just bullshitting an intro for me. That was a lie. I have nothing of value to add to your backstory on this one. I assume you've probably cheated on a test. I don't know if I ever have. I'm sure I've tried. I'll acknowledge that if I could, I would. Do you ever, as an adult, have dreams where you're still in school? No.
00:00:51
Speaker
Like I used to for years. I don't think I've had one for a couple of years now, but I used to have dreams where I would be starting my first day of school, whether it was college or high school, whatever. And then I'd be like, all right, here's all my classes. And then my dream would fast forward me to the last day of school. And I would have the feeling of, oh shit, because my dream fast forwarded me, I didn't go to any of my classes. I'm going to fail today.
00:01:19
Speaker
And that's just my mind fucking with me. But no, Garrett, I don't think I have the reputation as a cheater in school. I did have, I guess I did copy a lot of Spanish homework in high school. Yeah, Seรฑora Barger did not care for us. She liked me. No, she didn't care for me.
00:01:42
Speaker
Well, what did you do? Well, there was going to be a fiesta. And I was supposed to bring Tostitos chips to the fiesta. And I brought Chi Chi's chips. And that was not acceptable. And she never cared for me ever again. I mean, I kind of I kind of get it.
00:02:02
Speaker
Did you do it intentionally, where you went and pushed the bounds of how far you could stretch that relationship? I remember this was still at a time in school where you'd just be like, hey, mom, I need to bring this thing. And your mom would go get it for you. And she brought me those. And I was like, I don't think Senora Barker is going to like these chips. And she's like, they're the same thing. It's fine. And then I was like, well, she fucking hates me. So.
00:02:27
Speaker
So you saved a dollar on the chips, but you know, you fucked the rest of my high school. Because the Spanish teacher didn't approve of the tortilla chips that your mother had purchased.
00:02:39
Speaker
And I saw her in the corner of the room take a bite out of a Chi Chi's tortilla chip and make a face like it was the most disgusting thing she'd ever eaten. Fuck you Mrs. Barger. Fuck you. Now you're backing your mom on this that they're the same and it's fine. It was fine. Senora Barger really blew things out of proportion.
00:02:59
Speaker
What the fuck are we talking about? Goddamn it,
Wrestling Talk & Juggalos
00:03:02
Speaker
hit our goddamn music. We're telling stories about our lives and it ties into how upset we get sometimes with minor inconveniences in the world of professional wrestling. For instance, we don't have a ton to talk about this week, but we do have stuff coming up next week. So this is a bridge episode almost.
00:03:25
Speaker
This is like a regular episode of Raw. Just a real, real, regular episode of Raw. That is the best description for this episode. So if that sounds horrible to you, go ahead and I guess stop. Hey, hey, don't tell them that this is, don't, you don't have to let them know upfront that it's going to be 50 50 booking and this episode just don't matter.
00:03:51
Speaker
Garrett, you told them it's a regular episode of Raw. What else could I say to make them turn off the podcast besides that? Okay, this isn't just a regular episode of Raw. This is a really special episode of Impact. Okay. On that note, go ahead and hit our goddamn music, I guess.
00:04:47
Speaker
Garrett you said last week you missed Walter. Yeah. I don't know when the last time I watched anything from NXT UK was but I checked out a Walter match from July 24th against Trent seven because that is apparently because apparently that's the last time he wrestled on NXT UK.
00:05:09
Speaker
And that's been what, like almost a month? See, I put on the most recent episode of NXT UK just assuming that he was probably on it. I did not make it to the end of that show. It was just not doing it for me. But I'm happy- You're saying NXT UK is not progress or what progress was? There's just, there's more people I don't care about than there are that I care about. But the thing is, the ones that I care about I really, really love.
00:05:36
Speaker
but I still have to watch a lot of stuff to get there. Well, the episode I watched, see, there's this really cool thing going on right now with WWE where because they're involved with, because they've got NXT, because they've got NXT UK, I get to see things that I never thought I would see under a WWE umbrella. Like there's a show being performed under a giant tent.
00:06:00
Speaker
In the middle of the day oh So large crowd on hand so they were performing at that Slipknot was there I don't know if they were performing at some metal festival overseas I think on the 24th that maybe that would make sense if it was a day show and there was a bunch of people there But because I assume it wasn't taped live and you know wasn't aired live so they probably taped it and showed it over a few days or something or over a few weeks and
00:06:25
Speaker
Yeah, probably. But seeing a WWE show in such indie conditions is very jarring. This company is publicly traded and right now it's happening in the same place the festival of the Juggalos could take place. Gathering of the Juggalos. My bad. Which I still...
00:06:48
Speaker
I still stand by, since there is wrestling at the gathering of the Juggalos, that it should be a show goal for you and I to attend the gathering. Because I fucking hate camping. It's gonna be a nightmare. And it would be great content. And you know how I feel about Juggalo culture. I hate, you know, they marched on in Washington. They stopped some Nazis. I think we're okay with the Juggalos again.
00:07:17
Speaker
Are you speaking for me? Yeah, pre-determined a pro wrestling hangout, pro Juggalo. Woop woop. Go back and listen to our episode where we interview Ron Funches. I don't know if Queen of the Ring and I necessarily share your sentiment. Look, I'm not saying I hate everyone that's a Juggalo. I'm just saying, Juggalo culture, a little bit over my head, don't quite understand it. I'm sure there's a lot of fine people involved, but I don't know if-
00:07:47
Speaker
So political of you I sounded I sounded Trump Trump esque There's some fine people on both sides of the cloud issue But I will say that you're right. It does Intrigue me throwing myself into that environment knowing full well that there's a lot of things going on That would probably make me unhappy
00:08:09
Speaker
Well, hey, I don't know if we'd have superhuman if it weren't for the Juggalos.
Drinks & Wrestling Storylines
00:08:14
Speaker
You know, he's making that for the Juggalos and Juggalettes. We just happen to be here for it. Yeah. Did you see him get speared through the light tubes the other day? Yes, I did. I love good friend Paul. I love that good friend Paul's part of the gimmick now. I think
00:08:35
Speaker
Has he been, at this point, how many videos has he done? And the question I asked that, or the reason I asked that question is because, has he been hurt yet? The one that came out yesterday where they taped light tubes to a steel chair and smashed them in the back with it,
00:08:57
Speaker
It definitely opened up his back pretty good. And I'm thinking that mercury in a wound doesn't feel great because the shriek superhuman let out got me through the day. Like I actually three or four times I'm like, you know what? I can't handle today. All right. Thank you, superhuman. You're doing it. Also, I don't know if this is OK. I want to get back to your Walter match because we never even talked about Walter yet.
00:09:22
Speaker
Yeah. But so as I was editing last week's episode, you may have noticed I have not cracked open a white claw yet.
00:09:32
Speaker
Is there a reason? Um, as I was editing last week's episode, I thought it was kind of, I did kind of enjoy it. As I got to hear myself become progressively more intoxicated as I did not realize that's what was happening. But I did notice that once, uh, you know, full intoxication had happened by the end, I really increased my profanity a lot. Are you embarrassed by that? Are you proud?
00:09:57
Speaker
Well, no, I was a little embarrassed. I was like, come on, man, use some other words. But, you know, you're a nice drunk. It's not like you turn into like an asshole. So you're saying it is OK if I open one, then you can open as many white clothes as you want. Yeah, I didn't even wait for you to finish the sentence. I popped in the most me way possible, which is it kind of sounded like I came here.
00:10:25
Speaker
I'm not judging you. Have a white claw, have three, have six. Garrett will be coming to Chicago next week, staying here as we go through all out weekend together and make our shoot. They performed on SmackDown this week. Yeah, I'm gonna probably greet Garrett with white claws when he gets here. That may be one of the first things that happens between us, is us hooking arms and having a claw together.
00:10:54
Speaker
I hope that as I round the corner to your apartment, I just see a white claw come out of the sky, I catch it in my hand, we run towards each other, give a stone cold cheers, and then just pour it all over our faces.
00:11:10
Speaker
See, you're not supposed to have alcoholic beverages out on the street. You're not supposed to have an open container, but I'm pretty sure a cop would feel guilty if he approached you because you were drinking a fucking alcoholic water. As he cuffs me and puts me in the car, I'm like, please, show mercy. Don't you know what they do to White Claw drinkers in jail? He's like, yeah, this'll teach him. This'll make you drink something a little less pussy-like.
00:11:39
Speaker
Fuck you, policeman. White Claw's good. Different flavors of- I still haven't had one, so I've held out for you to this point. I can't wait to share these with you. Garrett, this match between Trent 7 and Walter was fine.
00:11:56
Speaker
I had to listen to Aiden English on commentary, which is fine, but I felt like they were selling the match to me like it was one of the greatest things I'd ever seen. I just thought it was okay. And the match ends with Walter. First of all, he's got a stable. I don't know if you know this. They're called Imperium. Yeah. I don't think Walter needs a stable. That's just my take. Walter is scary enough on his own with that coat and that stocky frame.
00:12:24
Speaker
Like he's a guy that if he weren't as awesome, he would be part of someone else's stable. Like he would be the tall guy standing behind the short guy in power. He doesn't need two smaller guys hanging out with him. You're saying WWE would probably in most other circumstances book Walter to be like the enforcer of some other stable.
00:12:44
Speaker
Yeah, he could easily replace Rowan right now. They just have to get him a new metal t-shirt collection. Fucking Walter being the enforcer for Daniel Bryan would be a sight to behold. Especially because of the accents. Just hearing them talk, I would... God damn it. Yeah, want that. Or even the idea that Walter gives it shit about the environment. I honestly can't tell what Walter cares about. It's really hard to tell.
00:13:14
Speaker
He cares about fucking making your chest a different color. And he's really good at it. He's an artist. So Sami Zayn would be a big fan of him. Yeah. Other news from this week. Can you tell that I watch SmackDown? I can. I can. Yeah, I watched a whole episode of SmackDown this week. And when did you find time to do that? That was last night. Yeah, I watched it before we got on the phone. I also watched that Buddy Murphy Roman match that you told me to watch.
00:13:41
Speaker
Yeah. Roman Reigns is my favorite goddamn wrestler now, Derek. Wasn't it a good match? I think we figured out what Roman was missing, and that is a good mystery. We just need to constantly have little mysteries for Roman to figure out. He doesn't need a belt. He just got a fight crime. Buddy Murphy had a good match with Daniel Bryan on SmackDown this week, too. So they're making a point to show that Buddy Murphy can hang on the main event scene. And I kind of like it.
00:14:11
Speaker
When that match, the Roman one started, I popped so hard up top when, because it kind of opened with Roman just giving him a straight right to the face and it's super hard and you're like, oh fuck, he's gonna have a problem. But then he just gave him a V-trigger, like almost immediately after and I popped so goddamn hard. And you know what? I think I like Roman. I think there's a lot of people who are coming around on Roman because the longer he stays away from the title picture,
00:14:40
Speaker
I don't want to say he becomes a sympathetic character, but you start to remember what made him kind of a badass in the first place. Is that fair to say? I think it is. I don't know. But there is a certain point where I'm like, come on, Seth, get that belt back on Roman. So now we've come full circle. And now you want him as universal champion again. I'm ready again. Put it on him.
00:15:06
Speaker
What's funny though is he's technically a SmackDown superstar. Technically. That's actually my least favorite thing about WWE right now is a star will show up on the other show. And when they do the little fucking nameplate graphic that comes up is for the other show as if though it fucking matters.
00:15:28
Speaker
Like, what the fuck? Like, there's the wild card rule. But there's no real set parameters for how the wild card rule works. But then they want to remind me, like, hey, Alexa Bliss is a raw superstar doing a moment of bliss on SmackDown. But here's the raw nameplate just to remind you. And I'm thinking, just don't fucking pretend. How much longer until we just pretend that never happened and just let it go?
00:15:55
Speaker
I think we're there now. No one's counted to make sure that the exact number of wild cards have appeared. I mean, that got abandoned a long time ago, but I don't even know if they're even making reference to the wild card rule at all. And did they stop? Since this is the first time I've actually sat down and watched an episode, it looks like they've stopped having to stop the match.
00:16:19
Speaker
and then do commercial break? Have they just been like, okay, yeah, you can't do that, that's fucked up. I mean, I'm not gonna tell you I've watched every single week. I have the last couple months, I wanna say, but I don't think that was happening on SmackDown. I think that was a raw thing.
00:16:37
Speaker
Like Raw would do like the two out of three falls thing to fucking break up what you saw, but like SmackDown will do the entrances during commercial, and then when you come back, they'll start the match, and then if the match goes long, they'll go to commercial, but they do the picture in a picture thing so you can still see the action going on. I like that. Yeah, SmackDown is typically produced a little bit better than Raw. Just my take. But before we move too far away from Roman,
00:17:07
Speaker
Can we for real discuss the storyline that he is a part of right now? Oh it's fucking outrageous. It's insane and I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I don't even know how many weeks this has been going on now. Like this started well before SummerSlam, like a week or two. The first week that thing tipped over on him and then they decided it was just an accident.
00:17:29
Speaker
to a point where it seemed like they abandoned the storyline. And then he was hit by a car and Samoa Joe's like, God damn it, now I gotta call the hospital or this guy dies. And then Buddy Murphy's like, I did it. And then Roman Reigns beats the shit out of him. He's like, I didn't do it, I swear. It's like, well, how the fuck?
00:17:48
Speaker
What is this weird triangle? Who gives a shit? Buddy Murphy may have been there, was what they alluded to, and may have saw who did it. And then he didn't want to tell Roman Reigns, but then Roman Reigns beat him up and he tells him that he saw Rowan. And then the next week, Daniel Bryan's like, I'm not happy that you mentioned Rowan's name, we're gonna do the same thing to you.
00:18:08
Speaker
And then this week, it was Daniel Bryan knows who did it and he's gonna show Roman Reigns. And the big fucking reveal at the end of the episode is there's somebody who's old who looks a little bit like Rowan. And the camera holds for way too long without anyone saying a word. Yep. If I were Roman, I would have been like immediately just like, who the fuck's this guy? Or at least asked. You're saying the realistic reaction.
00:18:36
Speaker
Who's this? But instead his reaction is to just stare at him and then look at Rowan like, is this going to be his dad? They look very, very similar. And the guy that had the bag over his head looked a little worried. Honestly, this is where I hope we're headed. I hope we're headed not in a this is Rowan's dad situation, but I'm hoping more we're headed towards
00:19:00
Speaker
This guy was treating Roman Reigns like John Lennon and he was mad like when the Beatles broke up and somebody had to kill Lennon. He's like, the shield was the best thing going in pro wrestling. And if we can't have the shield, then we can't have anybody. Two years ago, I finally settled on the idea that you were going to be universal champion and beat Brock Lesnar in the main event at WrestleMania. And then you fucking lost.
00:19:28
Speaker
And I just can't live with that. You made me support you and then you let me down. Is that where this is going? He's like, Brock Lesnar was your Yoko Ono. Seth doesn't seem to have any trouble with him. Why couldn't y'all just stay together and play the hits? Why did you recycle the shield's music and not get your own original tune?
00:19:53
Speaker
Why'd you quit walking down the entrance ramp? I paid every week to come touch you.
00:19:59
Speaker
Man, a character that's just basically a personification of all the complaints about Roman Reigns would be hilarious. And that's who this man is? This is Vince's perception of the IWC. It just turns into the Eminem song, Stan. Turns out this guy's actually trying to fuck Roman Reigns. Dear Reigns, I tweeted at you, but you still ain't replying. Why didn't you beat Lesnar? That match had me crying.
00:20:30
Speaker
God damn please, get me in the Roman Reign Stan character now.
00:20:39
Speaker
No, that's just that that was the highlight of Smackdown and the other match to me is this is a weird fucking storyline It has nothing to do with the title. I'm like, alright, let's see where this goes. I'm in who's this weirdo I guess I'll tune in next week. I hope it doesn't show up on raw on raw You know, like it does that guy count his wild card since he was revealed on Smackdown. I don't know
00:21:04
Speaker
He's gonna have a raw name plate next week. I find out that he did something on main event and I missed out on some real good story The weird thing is something about him looks familiar to me. I just don't know what Like the character that they unmasked on smackdown whoever is the actor looks familiar And I don't know why
00:21:29
Speaker
Maybe he was in like a WWE film thing that I saw. He got punched in the face by Wade Barrett in a WWE produced movie. Hey, all seriousness. I mean, the storyline with Reigns is pretty weird, but I am happy that they brought back the king of the ring. I don't know if I've talked about that enough.
00:21:50
Speaker
And I don't know who's going to win the damn thing at this point. There've been some twists and turns in the first fucking round and we, they've still got some more opening around matches over the next couple of weeks. And I guess they're going to do the end of it at clash of champions.
00:22:07
Speaker
See, it's interesting to me that they did away with it all together because with all the different things that they could use for creative purposes, why you would just immediately skip over having that tournament for this long is confusing to me. Because as you pointed out with the fucking G1, tournaments are just fucking rad.
00:22:28
Speaker
They make the matches that you see on the shows matter. It allows people to, I don't know, shine in ways that you typically wouldn't if it was just a, hey, we're just having a singles match here, have fun. Yeah, and it gives you something to do for a full month.
00:22:44
Speaker
Correct. On your show, you can have a multiple of these matches if you want. You can just have one a month and do it for two months or once a week. I don't give a shit. It's fun to watch. And like you said, having a match that matters and have these guys step it up just a little bit more. Maybe you get one little pay-per-view match every every TV taping, you know, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've really been enjoying the shit out of it. And honestly,
00:23:11
Speaker
It was crazy to see, they're pushing Cedric Alexander past the first round. They had Shane screw over Owen, so Elias is advancing to the next round. I don't know where this is going, but I'm kind of excited. I don't know. It's been years since they did a King of the Ring tournament, and I'm happy to see it back. I'm invested. I'm tuning in specifically for the King of the Ring matches. Actually, this is the last King of the Ring, Wade Barrett.
00:23:41
Speaker
I couldn't fucking tell you. It's been a while. I feel like it might have actually been Wade Barrett. I don't remember one after him. Didn't Seamus win a King of the Ring? The ones I remember recently from my whatever decade, you know, of watching wrestling since I came back, I guess it's been like eight years. I remember at one point William Regal won one.
00:24:06
Speaker
I know Seamus won one, I believe. But they don't do it so consistently, so I fucking couldn't tell you. It's not like the Royal Rumble. Used to be. Did they used to do King of the Ring all as one night? I don't think so. I think it started off like they're doing it now. And then they would have like the... the semis and the finals on the same show.
00:24:28
Speaker
Honestly, I don't think I would mind someday if WWE just did like a Bola style weekend and had a tournament that lasted a couple days so that you see some of these guys wrestle multiple times in a night. I think that's some of the fun parts about a tournament is like going and having to see one guy wrestle three times in a single night.
00:24:50
Speaker
I don't know if WWE would ever do this, but that's a really good idea, because I would love a King of the Ring festival. Like, maybe not as big as Mania, but picking like some town. Is that a second claw? Yeah, I go through them too fast, and this is what happens, like, because it just tastes like water, so I'm just doing the show like normal, and then here we go out of nowhere. I'm just saying, fuck every other word, and getting real excited and not letting you speak.
00:25:18
Speaker
It's okay, Garrett. I would like a two-day tournament that WWE does, just like NXT UK did, where there's a big tent, and they're out in some city that they don't normally go to. And they fucking, Tolohoma, and they do the King of the Ring there over two days. And they broadcast it Saturday, Sunday. With the people they have in it, you know, I mean, they really do kind of have just the 24-7 title contenders, right?
00:25:49
Speaker
I mean, it's a mixture of main event guys and up and comers, so yeah. But what main event guys are still left in it? I mean, to me, like KO and the Miz, I guess the Miz hasn't had his yet. Samoa Joe, Drew McIntyre. I'd have to look at the bracket, but they haven't done all the first round matches yet. They've only done four, I think.
00:26:14
Speaker
So there's still some other names in there. And Sammy's loss at King of the Ring set up another really weird storyline. I like that we're getting some weird storylines where he's now just he's fucking Shinsuke Nakamura's mouthpiece. Yes. And somebody made the great point during that segment last night on Twitter. They said I kind of like that it feels like they're trying to give everybody on the show something to do.
00:26:40
Speaker
Like they're working harder at giving everybody some time and a role. And I'm not gonna say this is like the ideal situation for Sami Zayn, but it was entertaining and I'm kind of excited to see where they go with it.
00:26:57
Speaker
I like that the whole time that this is all unfolding in the ring, that Miz is just looking around like, and this applies to me how? And then they just beat the shit out of him. So does he finally get his IC title back?
00:27:16
Speaker
Miz? Yeah, you know how hard we had to- Not with Sami and Nakamura's corner? No, it's- You want Miz to set the all-time intercontinental title record, don't you? Yes, I do. And it took us a long time to get him to this point where we like him, or that more people like him, and, you know, he's got a USA show. I think it's time. It's time to take down Nakamura.
00:27:37
Speaker
He's got two things working for him. Number one, he dodged a bullet by having to do another Ziegler match and gave that thing to Goldberg. And two, Vince is probably not very happy with Jericho right now, who's the current record holder, and is probably interested in the idea of having one of his current guys hold that record. So maybe that'll happen in the next year. Maybe Miz will become the new Intercontinental title holder record.
00:28:05
Speaker
So was, did you see the tweet that Regal sent to Jericho today?
00:28:11
Speaker
I think so. Wasn't there some snark attached to it that Jericho was taking credit for NXT? Yeah, and it seemed like Regal was being serious, but I don't know if Jericho was... I feel like Jericho was just being shitty, heal Chris Jericho on Twitter. Yeah. And it seemed like William Regal took some offense to it. Like he didn't think it was so funny. Yeah, he's like, no, they worked really hard. It's like, yeah, no shit they did, but...
00:28:39
Speaker
We all know why this show is going on TV, finally. Yeah, let's talk about that for a minute, because that's actually the big topic of the week, which is that everyone was speculating that NXT could possibly go to FS1 or Fox or whatever, and turns out they're going to get a deal for Wednesday nights on USA Network in the exact same time slot as AEW's Wednesday Night Dynamite.
00:29:06
Speaker
But they're going to continue airing it from Orlando, from what I understand. Like they're not taking it on tour. No, like it's going to still be live, but it's going to be live from their headquarters. This is such an interesting. I have there's so many facets to this that I want to talk about. Where would you like to get your first of all, what are your thoughts on the announcement?
NXT Expansion & AEW Concerns
00:29:31
Speaker
What are your thoughts on them expanding to two hours?
00:29:36
Speaker
What do you think? Two hours makes sense. The show being on TV makes sense. We've been asking for it for years. Honestly, I could see this show ending up being the bigger show of Raw or SmackDown.
00:29:54
Speaker
So that's what I wanted to get into because there's not going to be another Monday night war, but there could essentially be a Wednesday night war where most wrestling fans are tuning into their wrestling on Wednesday nights. That may be the night where they prioritize that they're going to sit down and watch wrestling because they're going to be able to flip back and forth between two channels to see two styles that are really popular right now.
00:30:20
Speaker
or two brands that are really popular right now. And Raw and SmackDown might take a backseat as a result of that, and I don't know how Vince is gonna react to that happening. Well, I keep reading that he's possibly gonna have a role in the company, or, you know, actually be stepping into his seat in NXT. Yeah. People don't seem to be very happy about that for obvious reasons.
00:30:44
Speaker
And it makes sense. I don't know. This is gonna be, it's gonna be interesting because honestly, they have a deep enough roster and interesting enough matches. They could actually pull me away from AEW. Do you really feel that way? I mean, look, if it ended up being like fucking Keith Lee versus Walter for a title at some point because feasibly couldn't they tell Walter like, sorry, bud, you got to come over here now.
00:31:13
Speaker
I mean, he could just, I mean, he could just refuse to, I mean, if that's part of his contract, then he might not have to come over. I could see them at some, I don't know, I just, they've got so many people that, and even in NXT alone, they've got a great show. I just, I honestly see that they could have match ups that would potentially get me to flip the channel like, like I would between the Monday Night Wars.
00:31:36
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's that's kind of where my thought process has been. We've been saying that for a long time that NXT roster is so deep and so talented that, yeah, a lot of people have been saying that one hour isn't enough every week. They need more time. They want to feature more talent. Well, they're going to get that opportunity because they're going to have two hours to fill. So you're going to get to see a lot of these people who are fucking awesome at what they do going head to head with AEW, which has been highly anticipated. And like I said,
00:32:07
Speaker
I'm right there with you. I think it's gonna be Wednesday. Wednesday nights are gonna be wrestling nights. When we were growing up, it was Monday. It was Nitro and Raw. Now it's gonna be Wednesday Night Dynamite and NXT. And I'm excited as hell. That's gonna be fun.
00:32:26
Speaker
I think, okay, so going to AEW for just a moment, we kind of talked about what's this gonna be like with all these stars being able to go to the Indies and still wrestle. And I did not have a problem with it until this weekend, actually. And I realized like, oh, this is where we could run into problems with this. I watched any W's show from, I don't know if it was this weekend or last weekend, but I watched it on high spots.
00:32:56
Speaker
And the main event of that show was John Moxley versus Pentagon Jr. for the first time ever.
00:33:05
Speaker
Like, to me, that's a fucking main event of a pay-per-view, you know? Those are two guys that could easily be fighting for the heavyweight championship at some point, and that seemed like a weird one to, like, be okay with that being given away. I think the thing that should be okay with everybody working the Endies is if they're not gonna be working essentially dream matches on the Endies, that it could be better pay-per-views.
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah, that's definitely gonna be a problem because it's not like these indie promotions that they're working for or doing, you know, spot shows for. Like they don't have any reason to honor like, like a code for AEW. They just want to book matches that are going to draw well for their show. So you're going to see a lot of that. And here's the other thing. I know we mentioned this briefly before, but injuries are going to play a factor.
00:34:03
Speaker
You're gonna have guys working AEW shows every week who then turn around and are gonna be working indie schedules on the weekend. And what happens if they fucking get hurt in the middle of a big angle in an indie show? See, that's one thing that going into all out weekend, I mean, we have to assume that Young Bucks and the Lucha Bros are going to kill each other in this ladder battle. Correct. Or ladder war, whatever they, I get that might be Ring of Honor's thing. It's a ladder match.
00:34:33
Speaker
This is gonna be really fucking cool. There's no way around it. There's no way these two teams aren't gonna go all out. But the Wotcha Bros have a match on Thursday and Friday at AAW. Oh, buddy. So I can't imagine, this is where, okay.
00:34:51
Speaker
So we have tickets to both AAW shows and GCW before AEW. And the AAW show is supposed to start at like seven, and then the GCW show starts at like 11. I don't feel that bad if we just end up skipping AAW altogether. Because we'll have gotten to see- The second night? Yeah, because we'll have gotten to see every single one of those guys wrestle on the first night.
00:35:20
Speaker
And then I don't see like, even if lucha bros have a huge match at the end of the night, I don't think there's any way it's going to be good enough that, you know, catching it would be worth missing something. You think they're going to hold back is what you're saying. A hundred percent. I mean, you even got like MJF on the show. Does he have, he doesn't have a match at all out though, does he? I don't think so. That's kind of weird too, because they're building him up.
00:35:49
Speaker
And I guess you can't have it every time, but I know this time during the pre-show, I believe we're getting a women's battle royal instead of the men's. It's just a women's battle royal? I believe so. I thought there was a regular battle royal too, but maybe I'm wrong. No, I think I know I just saw the stuff about the women's casino battle royal. Either way, you're probably right. They probably will hold back. I guess we'll see how we want to handle things Friday night. But yeah, I mean,
00:36:21
Speaker
then then it becomes a question if if you're like the Booker for an indie promotion and you know that guys are gonna be holding back because they have commitments to AEW are you even gonna want them to come like I mean I guess you will because they'll sell tickets but
00:36:40
Speaker
I have to imagine there's a lot of indie guys that get booked on smaller indie shows that aren't going there to give it 110%. You don't have to do that crazy match every time, but part of that indie world is there's certain people that you expect certain things from.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. And I feel like lucha bros are in there. And I feel like when I see them live, I've only seen like crazy lucha bros style matches. So I don't know. I think at AAW next weekend or one of their matches against LAX.
00:37:16
Speaker
I would have to look and see. I've only just been, I've only just been paying attention to the participants in the gym lineup tournament. I think we just, I think both nights Lucha Bros are fighting somebody, but I think they're like a special event at the, like the main event of the night or something.
00:37:34
Speaker
I guess we'll see. But I am goddamn, I'm excited for that weekend. Like getting to sit front row at GCW with you. I'm honestly looking forward to that just as much as all out. I'm looking forward to how much wrestling we're cramming into our lives within the span of like three days. And I know what a- This is going to be a fun fucking weekend. Neil reached out to me and said that if we wanted to go see Hobbs and Shaw while we were there, he's in.
00:38:06
Speaker
We're gonna have to find fucking time to do that. I guess we could do it Saturday morning. Yeah, there's a theater in Hoffman Estates. We could go see Hobbs and Shaw that morning.
00:38:17
Speaker
Yeah. I, um, man, I'm excited.
Weekend Plans & Humorous Stories
00:38:22
Speaker
We haven't, I guess you've seen queen of the ring more recently than I have, but we're, we're going to be hanging out with her again on Saturday and during the show, sitting with her. We have, we come up with what we're doing Saturday and are we going to do some more recording? Cause we have a obligation to our listeners here to come up with a bunch of content that weekend. So we're going to have to work out a schedule for what we're going to do.
00:38:45
Speaker
Yeah, I want to do a bunch of watch-alongs while we're together. Yeah. And who knows, maybe we can get that Scooby-Doo movie that Dalton was wanting us to do a watch-along to. Oh my god, I would absolutely watch that. Hey, I'll have a laptop. We'll have iTunes. We can make it happen. Yes. We can sit there and slam a case of white claws at like three in the morning and just watch Scooby-Doo.
00:39:11
Speaker
That's gonna be what we do Friday night. We're gonna be fucked up. We could do that Saturday after all out, fuck it, I don't know. We're gonna be creating content for you guys. If you wanna create some content for us, you can hop over to iTunes, give us five stars, leave us a sweet review, and if you do that, you tell us to check out something that's even slightly related to pro wrestling, and we'll check. If it's slightly related to pro wrestling,
00:39:41
Speaker
then we'll check it out and we'll talk about it on the podcast as a gift back to you for the review. Not gonna lie, Derek, my situation of getting up to Chicago is kind of a pain in the ass. Is it really? It is a little bit. Your situation seems a little bit better than driving eight hours. It's a little bit better than driving eight hours.
00:40:06
Speaker
I'm just, I'm saying that the kids, that's a lot of time. Typically Garrett drives eight hours from Nashville to Chicago. This time he's taking a plane. But I waited too goddamn long to get a plane. So a direct flight, just so you know, this flight should be like 45 to 90 minutes somewhere in there. Yeah. Somewhere in there. Uh, my flight is now going to last six hours.
00:40:35
Speaker
What the fuck? Yeah, I have to fly to Pittsburgh first, then wait in Pittsburgh for two hours, then fly to Chicago, because the plane tickets were so goddamn expensive just to go straight there. Have you been to Pittsburgh before? I've never been to Pittsburgh, and I'll have two hours in an airport. Well, that counts. That counts. Get a key chain. Yeah, do a Facebook check-in.
00:41:02
Speaker
Do a Facebook check-in. See if there's any Pittsburgh Penguins merch you can pose with. I was gonna say, like, get a, find an old, like, Jager pin in the clearance bin. Find a picture of Sidney Crosby, give it the finger. Take a selfie. And then hop back on that plane and meet me here in Chicago. Oh, that's what's gonna happen. And I figure, you know what? Along that way, maybe I'll probably watch some Netflix on my phone. Speaking of which, I took your advice. I did finish GLOW.
00:41:28
Speaker
What did you think of Glow, Garrett? Because I've been sitting on it for like a week now. It's quite wonderful. As far as television goes, it was a very wonderful season of television. As far as pro wrestling goes, not super wrestling related this time around. I feel like wrestling was more the background on this one. Not a problem though, still a good show. Hopefully at some point we get a little more wrestling. What was your favorite scene? My favorite scene? Yeah, from this season.
00:41:58
Speaker
I'm not ready for that question because I binge watched all of it. So now I'm trying to. Were you mad that were you mad that Mark Marin's character had a heart attack and he didn't say anything about it? No, he seems like the kind of character that would do that, kind of like how every year a certain number of men die in the bathroom of a steakhouse because they're too proud to tell someone they're joking.
00:42:26
Speaker
I didn't know that was a thing. It's a great, I don't remember the actual number for the statistic, but the fact that there's a statistic at all of the number of men who die choking in a bathroom of steakhouses because they're just too proud to ask for help.
00:42:42
Speaker
That is fucked up. It is fucked up. Would you ask for help or would you just die? I don't want to die, so I would definitely say I'm fucking choking and have somebody give me the Heimlich. If we're eating somewhere over all out weekend and you start choking, I'll be like, God damn it, go to the bathroom and die with some dignity.
00:43:03
Speaker
which based on which based on a past experience would suggest it's probably gonna be a buffalo wild wings which is I don't know how much dignity you can have dining a buffalo wild wings bathroom
00:43:15
Speaker
as Hender plays on the speakers above you. You go to hell if you die while listening to Hender. Was that what it says in the Bible? Yeah, it said that. It says that like right in the middle testament. The middle testament. What the fuck?
00:43:41
Speaker
Somebody who really cares about that book is upset right now. The less talked about middle testament. The middle testament. Oh fuck. Yeah.
00:43:58
Speaker
Karen, I'm out of content. No, I've had a weird week, man. Like, I just did not watch a ton of wrestling this week. I know we've talked about this on the show before. I struggle with depression. And it has been beating the fuck out of me for about two weeks now. Ever since you got back from LA, it seems like you've been in a little bit of a funk. Oh. Work hasn't been the best environment for you.
00:44:23
Speaker
I wish I could tell y'all what was going on with that cause that's fucked up. And then it just got me thinking about how many, like I started talking to my buddy Dustin and he was saying like, I've never talked to somebody who has more fucked up work stories than you. And I think it's, I think he's right. I mean, I don't think I ever told this story. Maybe the most told story, most repeated story I've ever had happened when I was working at Warner Brothers.
Hollywood Encounters & Wrestling
00:44:50
Speaker
I had a man jerk off right next to me. We were sitting like we were basically our elbows were touching. And so you were a tour guide at Warner Brothers in LA. Yeah. And you would give a tour on one of the what it was like the moving golf carts. Yeah, it was like a 13 person tram. Right. And you had somebody right there in the front row with you just going at it.
00:45:16
Speaker
I'd just as well tell this. So, beginning of the tour, last two people to get on my tram are a father and his mentally challenged adult son. The dad sits in the back and sits this kid up front with me.
00:45:33
Speaker
And we're about an hour into the tour at this point. We're rounding the soundstage by Heart of Dixie. The CW show, they also filmed ER in that soundstage. We round the corner. We are now in front of Ellen DeGeneres' office.
00:45:47
Speaker
We are sitting in front of her car, right in front of her office, I look over, the man sitting next to me, hand down his pants, he has on sweatpants, he's really going at it, Derek. He is... Like going to town? Yeah, he's beating that thing like he caught it breaking into his car. But I'm the only one that can see that it's happening.
00:46:09
Speaker
And my, you know, it was personalized for you. Yeah, it was just for me. And like I could draw attention to 12 other people that this is happening, or I could just sit there and talk about Ellen and watch this man jerk off. Which, you know, I do that like every day. So it was just nothing new. So we round the corner from Ellen's office. I take them into the set of the TV series, The Mentalist. That dude from The Mentalist, real asshole.
00:46:37
Speaker
I can tell you who's an asshole and not on that line. That guy's a dick. But we get into that set. We're like over an hour into the tour at this point. Everybody's in a half circle around me. The man who had just been masturbating steps forward out of that half circle and extends his hand to me and says, my name's Peter. What did you do? I shook that pre-come all over his hand.
00:47:07
Speaker
Because I didn't want to look like an asshole. I couldn't be like, I can't, you don't understand. He was jerking off. So I just shook it and then immediately ran to the bathroom and just burned my hands off. Did you use that device that Will Smith uses a men in black to burn off his fingerprints? I just kept flashing a neuralizer at it, hoping my hands would forget. Nope, still on there, technically.
00:47:33
Speaker
But yeah, that was the weirdest thing that had ever happened to me at work until the last little bit. I cannot go into any of it now, so it's terrible material for a podcast. So it's going to be hard to top that story with anything. And we need to end this episode on a positive note. Garrett, you have a lot of stories as a Warner Brothers tour guide. Will you tell the story about the time The Rock was on set?
00:48:04
Speaker
I actually have two wrestler stories from Warner Brothers. Well then fucking hit us with those because now is as good a time as any. Yeah, so all I ever wanted to do while I was at Warner Brothers was see The Rock. That's all I wanted. They were filming the movie San Andreas on the lot and I was working the ticket counter and somebody ran in and said, The Rock is in this very, they told me the specific parking lot that he's in. They're like, he's there right now. I left my position at work.
00:48:32
Speaker
Like, just ran away, said nothing, just left. Went outside, ate where all the golf carts were, and just took one. And then I drove into the Warner Brothers lot, found that parking lot, and just drove by Dwayne and looked at him. Drove off, that's it. And I really thought, like, God, he is in wide open space. If I just stop and just sprint as fast as I can, I will reach him before any security could.
00:49:01
Speaker
You're risking your entire job there it that I laid your hands on the rock I really really considered it cuz it's like you know what what it's what's the worst that happens I lose my job But what's the best thing that happens? I touch Dwayne. No Dwayne's not sending me to jail When he hears that I'm just running straight at him as fast as I can because I love him so much Did he look happy or was he really sweaty?
00:49:27
Speaker
They were in the middle of filming. They had an enormous American flag hanging up from two cranes. It was big enough that they had to have two full cranes support this flag and it was just him standing and it looked like they must have been filming shots of him walking in slow motion in front of a flag.
00:49:44
Speaker
Have you seen San Andreas? Yeah, it's awful. Do you know what part that flag thing happens in? No, I saw the movie and as far as I'm concerned, they didn't use that. They probably just filmed it because they're like, obviously we need some footage of the Rock walking in slow motion in front of a giant American flag. I wish you would have touched the Rock. What's your other pro wrestler story? The other pro wrestling story was the week of WrestleMania 31.
00:50:14
Speaker
I wasn't even working this day, I was off, but I knew that Roman Reigns was on Conan O'Brien. And one of the fun things about being a Warner Brothers tour guide is you have a badge that can get you onto that lot any time. So on my day off, I went to work and just kind of camped out behind Conan O'Brien's sound stage waiting to see Roman Reigns.
00:50:37
Speaker
and he finally came out and as I rounded the corner to go talk to him, a full camera crew came, you can actually watch the, I think it's a 24 on Roman Reigns from WrestleMania 31, you actually see him walk out of Conan O'Brien's soundstage, I'm to the left.
00:50:57
Speaker
You're there though. I was there. He was wearing a very ill-fit suit. It looked like he had never worn a suit in his life. It was so huge. It looked like he borrowed somebody much bigger than him's suit. That's impressive considering he's a big guy. Okay, one last WWE-related Warner Brothers run-in.
00:51:17
Speaker
I had to drive somebody to first aid one day and I was in a golf cart. I pull up to first aid. I stop. I get out. I start walking up. Somebody taps me on the shoulder. I turn around. It is Freddie Prinze Jr., former WWE writer. He says here, I think you dropped this. I look down and I say, that is garbage. And then we both awkwardly looked at each other and then he walked away.
00:51:40
Speaker
What was it? It was an old rag that he found on the... He was trying to do a polite thing, but I had to tell Freddie Prinze Jr., this is garbage. Do not hand me this. I'm glad that gets categorized as a WWE story and not a Scooby-Doo story. Well, immediately after I got back on the golf cart, my thought was, fuck, I should have talked to him about wrestling.
00:52:03
Speaker
He's like, what was that experience like? Maybe we can bond over that. Yeah, you should have. Yeah, why was my first thought to tell Freddie Prinze Jr., don't hand me this garbage? I should have been like, no, give me that garbage, but tell me about wrestling. Do you think, do many people know that he was a WWE writer and like, I don't know if he still is, but he was an acting coach for him too. I don't think they do. I mean, I knew that. I don't know how long that lasted. I don't know if it was like a year or two or whatever,
00:52:33
Speaker
I would love to know the biggest angle that Freddie Prinze Jr. ever wrote for wrestling. Maybe that's something we can send over to Brian Gewertz and see if he can give us an answer on that. Or maybe we just tweet at Freddie Prinze Jr. because he ain't got shit to do. Maybe. Maybe we can get Freddie Prinze Jr. on the podcast, man. He's probably at Starcast, but God knows we won't be.
00:52:57
Speaker
That's the other big news to come out of this week. Well, I saw Dalton post like, if anybody's at Starcast, can you pick me up this Effie shirt? And even I saw the shirt and was like, that's an awesome shirt, but it's a Starcast exclusive and I'm not paying 60 bucks to go in there and buy a shirt. Well, let's be fair. If we learned anything from last year, you can just walk right the fuck in.
00:53:21
Speaker
That is true. And the year before- There was nothing stopping people from going into the Hyatt Regency unless they changed security protocol. Yeah, same with the Starcast in Vegas, because I didn't- I never bought a ticket and went into the- I mean, I bought a ticket to Janela's breakfast, but they did not check my Starcast ticket. Good on you. Did you see that they finally added a panel to the Starcast that I actually would have loved to have seen?
00:53:50
Speaker
Which is... They added a GCW panel and they're gonna have Janela tell like the history of Janela's spring break and like behind the scenes stories. That sounds fun. That actually sounds super fun, especially because it's such a sideshow with so many different weird wrestlers involved over the years.
00:54:10
Speaker
We're not going to be at Starcast and there's not going to be a lot of things that we can provide stories for, but I did want to get your take. Did you hear that they're going to like the the. The CM Punk's show, they're going to be putting on pay-per-view. Yeah, all of Starcast is broadcast on fight TV. I think if you pay like one hundred and fifty bucks or something, you can watch every single thing that happens all weekend. That's crazy to me because so many people are going to pay for that.
00:54:41
Speaker
They did the year we were there too. Well, I know that, but I'm saying like, I'm talking about the punk thing specifically. Like I think people want to hear juicy stories. Like are people, I mean, maybe he'll end up giving them what they want, but I feel like people just want a continuation of the Colt Cabana podcast. Like I, like, I don't know what they're expecting him to say at this point. And again, I, I, you, you and I talked about this last week through texts, none of the podcasts.
00:55:11
Speaker
I'm weirded out by Punk's relationship to pro wrestling right now because he's kinda made it clear he's done pro wrestling, he's not a fan, he doesn't care, he doesn't really like it, but he still comes back to do appearances and make money off of it. And I'm not gonna fault a guy for getting his money I guess, but
00:55:30
Speaker
considering he seems rather annoyed at pro wrestling fans asking him all the time, hey, are you coming back? Hey, are you coming back? And he acts confused, like why do you keep thinking I'm coming back? And it's because you're still hanging around. Where do you, do you want him to just go down south somewhere where we don't see him? Do you want him to? I think that, I'm not gonna tell him what to do, but I mean, it would be, at least be consistent with what the vibe he's putting out is.
00:56:01
Speaker
He's putting out the vibe. He doesn't want anything to fucking do with it. And then like last year shows up and does the big autograph meet and greet with pro wrestling tease. And now this year he's involved in star cast and he's still going to sit there and be like, I don't know why people think I'm going to show up at the show tomorrow. I don't get it. Yeah. I think we're probably more likely to see LAX debut after Lucha bro's a young bucks than we are.
00:56:26
Speaker
Can I ask, are you just as excited for all out as you were all in last year? I think there was a different level of excitement last year. I think I was probably way more excited. It just felt bigger. Like obviously this is huge. And when I was looking at the card the other day and realized, holy shit, there are so many matches on that. Like this, there's so many matches that could be the main event on this card.
00:56:55
Speaker
Yeah. Hangman Jericho could be the main event and might be, I don't know, but it'll, or will it be, is the lucha bro's young bucks match? That isn't for the championship, is it? No, I don't think so. That's what I was going to ask. How does a ladder match work when there's not like titles on the line? It's just a match with ladders. Cause I thought that, that the young bucks were fighting. Cause they're fighting a fuck.
00:57:20
Speaker
private party on TV in the first round of that title tournament. Yeah, to me, if I'm booking, you have to have the title match go on last, right? If you're establishing a title. And it makes sense. Honestly, Jericho's big enough that you could have him headline. And it's for a title. It has to be the main event. It should be. Are you going to be rooting Jericho or Hangman on that? I don't know.
00:57:49
Speaker
I can tell you 100% I'm rooting for Hangman Page. The two matches I'm most looking forward to that night are the triple threat between Havoc, Janela, and Alan, and then Hangman versus Jericho. Why are you looking forward to Moxley and Omega? I am very much looking forward to it. I said the two matches I'm looking forward to the most. But why is that match not up there?
00:58:19
Speaker
I don't know. What's holding you back on that? Once again, I'm still just like I did enjoy Moxley's run on the G1. I don't know. I'm still not like he's not he's still not my favorite wrestler. Like honestly hang man. Roman Reigns is your new favorite wrestler. Yeah. I can't wait honest to God and hear me out here. Dream match. Roman Reigns.
00:58:44
Speaker
versus Jon Moxley. What the fuck? Get out of here. Oh, you can even make it a triple threat. Jon Moxley, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins. Now you got a program.
00:59:00
Speaker
If you wanna reach out to us on social media, we're at Wrestling Out on Facebook and Twitter. We're at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. I'm at Halloween Help and he's at Gartet. We have an email too, it's predeterminedpodcastatgmail.com. Reach out to us, hit us up, check out the social media. I haven't checked the email in a while, have you?
00:59:21
Speaker
No, I haven't. You should probably do that while you have another White Claw. Well, why... All right, I'll check the emails. See if we have any fanfics waiting in there. I'll check and see what we got. I've been really bad if anybody's tweeted at me or Facebooked me in basically the last two weeks. I've deleted all the apps from my phone. I've been trying to stay off the social media, keep my brain positive.
00:59:45
Speaker
Keep your brain positive, but if you're listening to this podcast, send Garrett some positive vibes, reach out to him at Gartet on Twitter. Tell him you love him. Love him though it's gonna be okay. Garrett, we have a great week ahead of us next week. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to seeing you. Looking forward to pounding some white claws and watching some pro wrestling.
01:00:06
Speaker
What's funny is we have to say all of this again next week, because in my head, because the show is next week, but you and I also have to record Wednesday night. We're recording Wednesday night, but it'll be a completely different show. Trust me.
01:00:19
Speaker
It'll be different than this one? Yes. It's gonna be like the go home to all out, and it's gonna be some important installments, so it won't just be like regular raw. We may only do 15 minutes next week, Garrett. Holy shit, but it's gonna be like the final 15 minutes of whatever Ring of Honor's biggest pay-per-view is. Yeah. Sure. I guess.
01:00:51
Speaker
really hit a lull there, didn't we? Yeah. I guess this is as good a time as I need to hit a lull in our goddamn music.