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Speaker: Take that, you worms. Take that, you worms. Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Dissecting Worm. I am your host, Jacob. I guess I'm your host. We're co -host. I'm joined by my co -host, I should say. I think between the two of us, you are the co -hostess with the mostess. You know, I'll take it. I'll accept that. And ah as always, Michael, joining us as well. They're gonna sound good. and Correcting us when we're wrong. I try and we are her in arc 14 of worm. What a, what a meaty arc. There's a lot to go through here. You know, before we dive in, I was thinking about this while reading it because we kind of knew we didn't really even have to talk about it. We we sort of knew that
Speaker: arc gate Leviathan was going to be the the climactic moment of season one. ah kind of was just yeah That was pretty obvious. And it feels like the climactic moment of season two is the conclusion of the slaughterhouse nine arc in this in this chapter and or in this arc rather. ah But I will say, as as has been pointed out by many of our avid listeners, that one of the downsides of of talking about adapting the arcs as we read them is we do sometimes lose context of what's to come in the future. like I remember the major beats and plot lines and things like that of the story, but getting into the weeds and the chapters and the individual moments sometimes lost when we're talking and just looking at one arc at a time.
Speaker: i mean i've been trying to look ahead, you know, one or two arcs, and I've got a pretty good ah idea of the overall trajectory, you know, ah going chapter by chapter, it's hard to feel the pacing upfront until I'm reading it, but arc by arc, I know what's going on. And I have been kind of dreading this section because of how weird it is. Full spoilers, by the way, if you're on this podcast. yeah um You've stumbled over here from the Brockton Bay book club. ah our sister podcast. This one is full spoilers. Well, that one is for the current arc and everything we've read so far. Yeah. This one, we have the whole traveler arcs coming up after like a single, what one, two arcs of dealing with coil. Like there's ah just pacing wise, no idea. Um, I sent it out on Reddit. It was like, Hey guys,
Speaker: you know and any ideas on where you would separate the line between arcs two and three. um And honestly, the feedback I got was just, you gotta call it after the slaughtered house nine, at the very least. Like, don't go into that, ah the rest of the stuff with coil and the travelers, that's a whole mess. And I agree with them. Like, yeah, that's gonna be another what i four arcs, I think, of problems. So right if we're doing our own weird show, you know, at the very least you do a half season with this and then another half season with the travelers. Like, yeah, i don't I wouldn't, I don't think that's necessary, but I do, I do agree that the the travelers and coil stuff should definitely wait. i I more think when I'm reading, when I was reading through,
Speaker: arc 14 here, it really feels like this arc, fantastic arc, by the way, I remember liking it the first time I read it. They're rereading it now like such a good arc. There's so much that happens. And it feels like the conclusions of a lot of plot lines within the world. Now we're of course really only reading Taylor's character arc and her perspective. But like you have the conclusion of the nine, obviously, for the most part, for here. The conclusion of the wards. It's a big step for Cauldron. like You have a lot of these moments that sort of either get resolved or major like chapter breaks, if you will, in these sort of world -building storylines. So like for me, when I'm reading this, this feels like a really
Speaker: I'm starting to see some of the season two like B plots and C plots that are happening alongside our main protagonist. I definitely agree with the the B plots and C plots because I think that is the only thing holding this together. yeah I do not like this arc. ah Reading through it, I am just kind of and Not upset because it is good. Let's just stay right there. It's good. But it compared to the others, I'm just like, man, this is, this is sort of got that mannequin syndrome. We were trying, you know, where it's just like, Oh, didn't we just do a thing with this? Oh, and we're just moving on and just immediately it's thing after thing after thing. Yeah. And I don't feel like any of it resolves. Like they don't, you know, and not that it needs to, obviously, but the amount of stuff that we get set up.
Speaker: in this mark or that has been set up before and is not resolved. Siberian's a projection. That's a big thing that's right off the bat. yeah Okay. We find that out. We never get Siberian though. Nobody does. yeah And at the end of it, like the best we did was figure is maybe the enemy, ah you know, Cauldron figures out the secret identity. you know, of Siberian, which they maybe be already knew, like legend. Legend is the only person that actually figures it out. So like, yeah okay, so that's not useful at all. And we took an entire arc to get there. um You know, we beat the slaughterhouse nine kind of, I mean, it's so spread out and comes to such a anticlimactic conclusion, you know, not with a whimper or not with a bang, but with a whimper, like Jack said,
Speaker: It's just, it's so anticlimactic. And the and i can I can even deal with like coming to the end, you think you've got them, but they're not there. And there's the note. I'm okay with that being the ending, but I need to build to that. Like there needs to be a tempo that rises to that moment where all of a sudden they're not there. You're like, damn it, they got away. ah You know, kick the wall. you know right and then
Speaker: Well, and i mean I think you're hitting just to to clarify too, because you're talking more like for adaptation purpose, obviously within the ah written story, it doesn't need, there's not a season end here. so you know the the yeah the sort of anticlimactic moments. I still feel it in the writing, um which we'll discuss and the other one, but it makes it a lot of these, the you know that they move so straightforward that I go on, you know no notes for the pacing. I think that maybe this individual scene needs to go or needs to get added on to make it smooth out you know from one scene to another. But this whole arc needs to have every single chapter smoothed out.
Speaker: um Yeah in order for it to work and I think that's kind of what I was getting at with the culmination of these BNC plots because you' so I'm starting to see as I'm reading that kind of the shape of the season as we're sort of as we're sort of building in here and we've talked loosely about ah You know things you want to probably focus a bit more on we like weld and we'd love to see more of him in the wards that kind of thing and And I'm sure we'll we'll paint a broader picture when we do our season 2 recap. But just in like little moments, so for example, you mentioned Siberian, that's a pretty significant moment. it's ah It should be an impactful moment. And if you're going to move that from
Speaker: page to screen, especially in you know arguably a season finale -esque episode, ah then that needs there needs to be some some impact there. So like very easily, one small change that we could easily be making is that William Manton, The Manton Effect, all these other names dropping him several times throughout the season. leading up to the reveal at the end, i like that ah ah just to make that impact a bit more significant. Because like like the characters, the audience has no idea that Siberian's projection until we figure it out. So like that whole thing can still... You can still have the impact of that moment, but it needs to it needs to be earned for sure.
Speaker: And I think we can do that, like little things like that, that I think we can do, even the fire bomb, like even the bombings and dropping bakutas bombs, like the only bit of written a buildup to that that we have is the, uh, the Pago interlude. Right. Like that's all. That's all we really have for that. So like building that up in a, in a C plot is going to, is going to make that, that ending hit a bit harder. yeah things Things like that. Yeah. I think I, I really do think this one way more than season one is going to need a major rework, uh, structurally. I think that having, I stick by the idea of having detective weld, um, being our point of view, interacting and trying to figure out stuff.
Speaker: Um, and kind of spiraling off of him, you can, you know, have the interview with, uh, Piggott, you can have interactions with Thomas culvert. Um, you can have interactions with the legend, you know, uh, that, that we weld, you know, gets, uh, gets kid wind to work up a lie detector so that he can figure out some stuff. And legend hears this and is like, uh, can I see that for a second? Basically. Um, You know, or maybe some, some letting on that legends like, Hey, weld, don't get distracted by this. And then, you know, we finally find out, you know, some stuff. Uh, it's just, and and this, this is the arc that makes that apparent. I think, you know, I'm looking at like, Oh yeah, you could structure it. You structure it pretty straightforward for the rest of the arcs, but then we get to this one and it makes me look at back at everything else we've done since art nine and go.
Speaker: we need to restructure all this. We knew we needed to before potentially. And this one says, no, you absolutely have to. You've got to punch up the Amy subplot. You got to punch up weld slash you know figuring out what's going on with the PRT and cauldron. yeah Yeah, there's a lot of moments, even in the even in the the drawn out fight scenes in this arc too, that we would love to see visualized. Like, obviously, again, it's just skitters POVs. we don't We don't get to see the wards fighting the nine until skitter arrives. We don't get to see the other group of undersiders. won't We don't get to see regent and ballistic and imp fighting and distracting. Like, we don't we don't get to see any of those fights. That would be really fun to see.
Speaker: It'd be really fun to be able to, you know, flash over to things like that. Uh, we don't really get to see anything from, like you said, legends perspective until again, skidders interacting with him. So there's definitely moments too, that are implied in the writing. That would be really fun to pull the screen that we want to make sure that if we're going to do that, we're building to it and everything structured so that there's i a, uh, effective, you know, payoff essentially. Cause there should feel this tension of, ah and And I think right away, this maybe needs to be two episodes. I think there's two, there's two points of tension. One is that we have, we have, I'll call the Siberian episode. It's chasing the Siberian. It's focused on the Siberian and at the very end, maybe dealing with everybody at the same time.
Speaker: um Then we have the plague episode slash the conclusion, which is, Oh, what, you know, now the red misters to roll out legend goes, Oh, and now we reap the consequences of our own actions. And then, you know, then we move to the next episode. And that's just, we have to spread out and kill bone saw and Jack, like Jack needs to die. You know, we have to kill Jack before he leaves the city. That's everybody's impetus and skitter, of course,
Speaker: you know, finds that, and but it's, it's a hunt. It's a constant hunt. They're, you know, looking through buildings, they're kicking open doors. There's these fake hostage people, you know, we've got them surrounded. And finally at the very last moment, not just her, but maybe her and some of the heroes all kick in the door and it's not them. And and there's the note. And you're like, shoot. ah got away yeah Like he we we failed the big prophecy and now we've got, you know, a year left or something. Yeah. I mean, you could even easily throw in a quick, you know, I'm just spitballing here, but you know, a little scene at the very, very end with Dinah and just running a new set of numbers and the end of the world is higher, you know, that kind of thing. yeah Just to sort of drive it home, little things like that. Yeah, ex exactly.
Speaker: And also, you know, just in this arc alone, uh, spreading out legends, interactions legend, you know, getting, uh, kid window, you know, work on that light attack that he's spoofing off a arm, arms master. Uh, and then, you know, midway through, we see him, uh, you know, this is where you could have a scene of battery actually getting killed and then dying later and yeah imagine and being there to see and talk to her because, you know, they're both plants. And, uh, you know, that's a great reveal between the two of them. And then, you know, and then finally at the end, him going into the place, coming back out and then looking at the lie detector, like those are all things you could pepper in between. Oh yeah, for sure. No. And that's another thing too. Like we've talked about, you know, especially cause we, we've, we've loved talking about our cold opens and things like that. Um,
Speaker: As I've been reading these last few arcs, there's some obviously fun things we could do for cold opens. I still really love the idea. I think we talked about this. back when we first read The Interlude, but Assault and Batteries Interlude, or Batteries Interlude rather, plays really nicely as like just a very subtle D -plot for the season where you could sprinkle in, you you could do cold opens for like the whole season, for example, or, you know, mid -credit or end credits, whatever you want to do. Just sprinkling in this story, this beautiful little story of this character, you got the world building, the love story, and it concludes, it's just a season -long arc that concludes with her death, which is
Speaker: really sort of you know ah beautiful and poetic in a really sad way. but um And I can't remember, I thought both her and assault died together for some reason, but I guess not. No, I think it's just battery. Yeah, that's what I was reading. And I was like, oh, I thought they both died, but it was just her. um Which is once again, her and Legend are kind of a through line with that. so Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. you So you want little things like that that we're going to want to build to. And that, well, I mean, we'll definitely, we can put some time into it now for sure, but that's that's definitely something I'm just kind of noting that we'll want to, as we're kind of, like you said, restructuring the season, kind of laying things out a bit differently that we just want to keep in mind. Little plot lines. You know, how do we want this season to stand apart? What's sort of the ah through plot for this season? ah You know, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker: stuff to touch on. But specifically for the arc itself, which is mostly just like you said, two big fight scenes. I agree. I think especially if we're peppering in scenes from other perspectives and characters and moments, this is going to stretch into two episodes pretty easily. um I like most, I like pretty much everything. A lot of really fun stuff here. That's going to be fun to adapt. Would be fun to see, uh, to see on screen. Um, Atlas, the giant beetle, uh, stuff like that. this this far Atlas goes in there with our magic knife. You know, we've talked about keep taylor keeping the, uh, the arms master knife. a right Um, as a cool upgrade.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure that Atlas dies or is gone relatively soon after this. I thought he outlived his purpose in this arc. From what I remembered reading this ah was that you know he he dies by the end of the arc, but I don't actually know how long he lives arcs wise um in retrospect. But like Atlas needs to stay around. like You don't just make a giant beetle, you know the the the the bug motorcycle, and then just get rid of it and arc later. right know yeah I think Atlas needs to stay around, um and you know it doesn't even have to be a beetle per se. It could be a dragonfly, it could be whatever.
Speaker: He's mentioned in spec, which is. Oh no, I looked it up. Yeah. No, he gets a bitch death. Oh, we'll change that for sure. He just dies of not being able to eat because skitter turned herself into the protectorate and that's right outside of her control. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's not just the last time he appears is cell, which is, um, let's see. Arc 22. Yeah, I think that's, that's probably when that ends. Yeah. So he lasts a lot longer than I thought, but yeah, I guess he goes out with a bitch death and we're not about, no, we're not about to have that. Not for our boy. There's one thing I'll stand for. It's, it's our boy here, Atlas. We'll give him a good send off somehow. Yeah.
Speaker: No, but yeah, little moments like that, that are really fun that stick with you when you're reading. Like I remembered Atlas. That was one of the standouts from the first time I read it. ah Yeah. So things like that would be fun. The miasma is terrifying. And I was, as I was reading it, I was like, there's just so many ways that you could make this work visually with the paranoia. ah Oh, you know so good. Yeah. For visual adaptation. A lot of fun there. um Yeah, everything's terrifying. the The Glory Girl cocoon is terrifying. I forgot about that. i You gotta change the look of that though, because I did not like the diamond thing. I think just making it a sarcophagus like yeah structure is better. That works. I remember i for some reason I thought it looked more like a like an actual like insect cocoon, which I thought was visually sort of a fun
Speaker: like panacea borrowing from yeah skitter. So, but I mean, yeah, even just like a coffin, just something that looks, yeah, that works. It definitely needs to be very horrifying. Like to start with, you know, it's, Oh my gosh, that's very clearly separate, but she's inside of it too. When we move later, like, Oh no, it's just a blob. Like whoops, all ARBs. yeah Yeah, um exactly. Yeah, there's got to be some payoff there. But that again, that goes back to your point where we want ah we want to really make sure that the audience is is aligned or you know is emotionally invested in Amy and ah Glory Girl. What's Glory Girl's name? Why am I drawing a blank?
Speaker: What's her name? Victoria. Victoria. Thank you. God. Amy and Victoria story, like things like that. Like that's, those these are big emotional beats that if we want that to hit and land effectively needs to have time to develop. And so we'll work that into the restructure on that topic. Cause I want to talk about the Amy Victoria dynamic. I, you know, obviously hate Amy naturally, but I think it would, and I was thinking about this with coil too. I think it would actually behoove us, given the grayscale of the story of Worm, to not make them as shitty as they are written. I would do i would probably agree with that. Coyle, I think we've talked about already not needing to
Speaker: make him like a pedophile essentially. I was going to say he doesn't need to be a pedophile. In fact, I think the great part of them potentially like, you know, ah taking him out gets to the point where like, Hey, you know, why did you take him out? And the reason being like, Oh, Well, because we didn't like that you did this thing. And he's like, you do that, but you know, but sort of the like, you do that alt also. Like, right how is me kidnapping one child like any different than all the other stuff you did? Like, yeah this is, this it you know, it really should be arbitrary. You know, why are you taking out Coyle? Yes, he's a bad guy, but he was doing good things. You know, I don't want the Thanos argument as Thanos
Speaker: how his plan was not sound. right um No, he was mad. I want Coyle to be, oh no, this is a villain that makes sense. He teeters on the edge of being like, ooh, that's really bad, but he is a bad guy. And when Taylor takes him out, I want it to be, okay, but like, yeah you didn' you know, almost like, yeah, that was a bad that but it was a bad decision. Yeah. No, I mean, Coyle for me has always had that more more in line with like Magneto and Dr. Doom and these sort of ah philosophical enemies of of our favorite heroes where, you know, you can say they're villains, but you understand their motivations and you sympathize with them and all this kind of stuff. it's they're They're very, very, very compelling antagonists. And I think Coyle offers all of that and making him anything creepier
Speaker: just takes away a lot of that gray morality. Exactly. yeah that's oh Oh, I know what I wanted to say. It's the um it's the needlessly kicking the dog scenario. right ah there's so many This is the point where like I know that you have to kick the dog to prove the bad guy, but there's so many like secondary bad guy characters that are often thrust into this. And the one off the top of my head is, um, end of Bioshock infinite spoilers. Uh, you're facing the big bad guys the whole time. You got to go, you know, you're working with this rebel group and the rebel group out of nowhere and out of character is like, we got to kill children too. And you're like,
Speaker: Okay. Why? And then they attack you because you're like, I don't want to kill kids. Yeah. Like it really is just an out of nowhere. And there's so many villains. I'm struggling to remember any off the top of my head. So, you know, great Well, I mean, it in apart from all the memes, that that's why the Padawan slaying Anakin memes are so popular is because it's just such an over the top demonstration of like, Oh, you can't, we got to make sure everybody knows is evil. It's like, yeah, we know he's evil. He becomes Darth Vader. Like we we know this is where he's going. You know yeah you don't have to have him slaughter children to get that point across. It's just humorous at that point, you know? so
Speaker: Yeah, no, I completely know. I'm trying to think of some other movies where it's just genuinely like, here's a character that like, you're not sure they were wrong in the first place if they're even portrayed as the bad guy. And then they just randomly do one thing out of character that's just wildly evil. And you're like, oh, definitely okay to nix them now. And you're like, right. Where was, what where why did that come here? Where, you know, where, where was that from? Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I agree. So yeah, definitely that for Coyle. Amy, I also agree. um And this gets into a little bit. I'd have to go back and I've read a few articles and Q and A's in the past with Wild Bo. And he's even mentioned he's not particularly proud of a lot of the ways he's written. Amy has a character. um which I totally respect because I think as someone who writes for serialization, Wild Bo is under a lot of pressure to get it right the first time. And when you don't, you get a lot of backlash as if it wasn't properly edited and rewritten and peer reviewed and all this kind of stuff, which it just wasn't. So you're going to get a lot of those elements. I think Amy is a fascinating character and I think she's very, very close to being well fleshed out, but does fall short a few times.
Speaker: um And I think that's evident in this and a couple of the other other ah chapters as well. So I definitely think that you could tastefully redo a few elements of Amy's character and still probably a align with what Wild Bo is trying to do with her character, you know? Yeah, yeah. No, ah like I think Amy's character with how she messed up and and and her, you know, kind of falling in the spiral headspace and continuing to mess up, especially when we end up in the next arc. Like that all makes sense, especially since, you know, she you know exists in the ward universe as well. So you got to keep her around and keep that dynamic between Victoria and Amy's very important. But I think you can get rid of a lot of her needless bitching. Like the whole conversation about
Speaker: um you know I have these rules, they're what make me like, okay, we can tone that down a little bit. Cause this is just Batman. He's like, I don't kill people. Proceeds to kick someone off a cliff. Like, yeah. Well, I think, I think you can even just adjust it because she should really at this point feel she broke her rule. like She's past that point now. like Her rules no longer work for her. So it should be, if anything, you can keep the sort of, you know for lack of a better word, a childlike naivety towards the world and the way it works, ah but just adapted from, because like cause it's true before her interlude,
Speaker: you know She has all these rules. She's very strict. I can't do anything. I can't touch brains, yada, yada. At the in interlude, you find out of course that she can affect brains pretty effectively. she's It's a self -imposed rule so that she doesn't fall into this void of her power. um And of course she does and then the results of that. but she But you're right because she has the exact same mentality after the fact that she did before. Which really she shouldn't have. This is now post that moment. She needs to be dealing with the consequences of her actions and going down that road as opposed to still trying to rehash the same rules that she's already broken. Yeah. And this is a separate issue that I take from the fact that ah Amy as a character in the book
Speaker: You know, I don't like her and her rules are dumb and yada, yada, yada. This is a separate issue. This is a, this is a writing issue at this point that like, I think we need to, like you said, she's already broken the rule. I think we need to focus on a frantic, like people are telling like, you gotta, you need to fix what you did and hurt going. Okay. I need to fix what I did. And then like, when she fucks it up, you know, passing the blame off, that's a classic Amy move. Oh, it wasn't my fault that things went this bad. I was, you know, those slaughterhouse nine was in my head and everybody was pressuring me. Like that's a classic Amy. Like you can still keep that, not have her still being like, ah, but I don't touch brains and she won't let me like, that never stopped you before. Come on. right Um, yeah, I think in fact, I think the moment, uh, part of one of the,
Speaker: crescendo moments. her Yeah. A peak moment in episode two of, you know, this arc would be the showdown in that theater at a classroom. Yeah. At Arcadia High. I think that that needs to, the you know, the music, the tension, I think it needs to build to kind of that room where both Taylor and Jack Slash are having a hostage negotiation essentially with Amy. One of them's telling her to jump and the other one's like, no, stepped off the ledge. you know hu um I think that's what that conversation needs to be. i think you know We've got to get i've got we've got get to Amy. Amy can to stop the plague. um And also, yeah, we've got to stop Amy because Amy can stop the plague. And so they get there. and
Speaker: got to you know She's got to talk her down and then also try and kill Jack. Yeah, yeah no, I think there' so there's a lot there. There's a lot I'm trying to work through here. um But no, I like that. I like that description of that scene. I think that works pretty well. Amy, i love I love Amy and I've said this before, I think I've said this in in Rockton Bay Book Club, that I really like Amy as this antithesis to Taylor's character. It's sort of like the Red Sun Superman, where you know had she just gone down a slightly different path
Speaker: Both Amy and Taylor could almost flip plots, essentially, for most of the story. I like that they're very similar, but choose very, very different approaches to how they deal with their powers and their friends, that kind of thing. Well, I would say if it's... I wouldn't compare it to the red said Superman, because I'm trying to think of a better alternative. Yeah, that was the first one that popped in my mind. Because in this case, either one of them And just given their personalities, I don't think this is i think this is a Amy is just kind of shitty.
Speaker: like And Taylor has you know just that amount of gumption that while she may be shitty sometimes, she's got that oomph to get up and do something about it. And Amy will sink into a couch if she's like left alone. like yeah No, exactly. I mean, that's my point, is that they're they're their characters yeah like as archetypes are opposite of each other, but they're their origins aren't that different, really. like They both come from terrible backgrounds and all this kind of stuff, and they both have power. But where Taylor sees her power as an opportunity to to try and make a difference, however flawed that difference may be, ah
Speaker: Amy sees her power as a curse. and she all she like If Amy could turn her power off and never turn it on, she would. you know Even though she has incredible power that she could do incredible good with. she she's just too afraid, too immature, too stubborn to go down that road. So they're they're sort of they're sort of branching in two completely different directions despite being teenage girls who are both trying to do good and you know they they have a lot of similarities in the rest of who they are.
Speaker: Um, it's kind of, I meant by that, but I like, I like visual. I like seeing that played out because I like, I just like character motifs and, uh, seeing them put up against other characters that are doing things very differently. Yeah. Um,
Speaker: yeah. Do you want to move all the way back to the beginning? We've jumped around a bit here. We can sort of, uh, I actually don't have a whole lot of notes for, for these, cause like I said, I think the biggest thing is just restructuring all of this. Yeah. I mean, a lot of it is fighting too. A lot of this, a lot of this arc is just action scenes. And the word word for this one will be simplify, simplify for this entire arc. We skipped the deal with Cherish. We just make it an interrogation. Yeah. I think that, I think that makes sense. No need to go further than that. Um,
Speaker: Cause we're i going to have that same thing said again, when we go back and we've got to fix the, uh, where is it? I have it for another, another section. Oh, here we go. Uh, the counter plague that Amy makes simplify that, that, i that was so, this isn't a matter of me not understanding it, which, you know, this is. the third time round, I remember the basics and then I read it and I'm like, that's so much more detail than I actually think we need. um So. I mean, it's literally just the the trope, which you see all the time of of turning the evil thing. ah So it's good. And then it's replicating the good version of itself essentially is all it is. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I, that's just,
Speaker: Amy, can you make it? Well, the prions and she's like, I don't give a shit about Priuses. Just fucking to fix it. Yeah. No, I mean, that's very okay. I fixed it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, little things like that. There's a lot of that. And that's just standard. I think adapting books to television is you're going to gloss over a lot of that little stuff that just isn't necessary. Fun to read from like a just ah reading, reading point of view to get into like little things like that. But, but yeah, I mean, obviously it's the details are why I like wild bow. Yeah. For an adaptation, it needs to get simplified. e I would agree. Um, I like reusing, let's see here. What was I going to say?
Speaker: A Siberian fight. I like most of the Siberian fight. Don't think that really changed too much.
Speaker: Again, really fun fight to visualize. You got Guru's upgraded darkness, ah you know all little things like that that are fun. But again, these are like this scene here where they're fighting Siberian. I would love to go be able to flash over to ah Regent with Shatterbird and Ballistic and Imp and Trickster. right I think he's with them as well. yeah and be able to flash over to them and see what they're doing, being able to flash over to the wards and seeing weld and team sort of setting up for the fire bombs. Cause they, oh gosh, remind me now as I'm reading this again, cause they're fighting, are they fighting crawler as the bombs are dropping? Yeah. Yes. They're fighting crawler in mannequin. Right. Yeah. I want to, I want to see that. I want to see that would be great.
Speaker: um seeing clock blocker being able to freeze everyone before the bombs drop, like all that stuff. I mean, there's a whole sequence when they run into the heroes, ah when they're dealing with Siberian, they roll up and four heroes walk out and they're in uniform like like suits with gas masks. yeah And that is some of the most kill squad, badass imagery I've ever seen. Like, yeah oh, it's these heroes but they are there, like they are in kill squad mode. Like, holy cow. That's when you know it's serious. um As a note too with that, because again, like I think what a great moment to really highlight welds, not just fighting capability, but also his intelligence. I love, I don't know if this is controversial at all within the community. I love it.
Speaker: We should ask everybody, well, let us know what you think. I love the way that crawler gets killed. I love basically like, basically like plays to his ego. Like, Oh, we think we can hurt you. You, you think we can't hurt you. Why don't you test us and find out and that was pig. It pig. It did that. Right. But I'm saying, give that to weld. Yeah. Oh yes. Yes. yeah I agree. I think that's a great, great maneuver. Yeah. And then just having him think he can tank it, not realizing it's all a bucket is a arsenal of whatever the fuck she had. Yeah. Fucking everything. Did we ever find out what exactly it was that killed him? Or did they just say that something and got him? Uh, just something got him. From what I remember, it's, it's a bunch of stuff that turns like to ash and it keeps spreading.
Speaker: But then there's like a hard limit to distance wise and then it all gets sucked back in. So like, you and twitter you know, had it not had the vacuum on it, kind of, it could attend potentially like done this weird, ashy spread, everything the ash touches continues to turn into ash, but instead they just drop it and then the implosion sucks it all in. Yeah. Either way, we could have a lot of fun, obviously visualizing what type of bomb actually takes out crawler and mannequin. Yeah. And, and, you know, this is This is not at all to get rid of Bakado because i've I've heard some compelling stories, which we will you know maybe read in our season wrap up on adjusting, enough so that i want I have gone back and I've looked and rewritten parts of the script because I just thought they were that that good, um keeping Bakado. But if we didn't, it's a bomb. It's a giant fire bomb. It's a tinker made bomb. It's a tinker bomb and they dropped the tinker bomb and
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Speaker: just I say fight the Siberian chase. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. torva um I think a lot of that specifically surrounding the beginning of it with Amy needs to get a heavy rework.
Speaker: Well, in terms of just of how it plays to an audience too, I think, yeah, I mean, it definitely needs to be restructured a bit so that it's a bit easier to follow because it's a little confusing to follow even reading it and kind of knowing what's going on. Um, But you know just cluing in the audience very quickly that Siberian is chasing Amy and the Undersiders are trying to help her. um i don't I think you could even... like Little things like maybe removing Amy's reluctance to the Undersiders' help initially where she's like confused about you know which direction to go and things like that. That's all kind of like lost in Taylor's internal monologue.
Speaker: um Yeah, you know, kind of skipping past a lot of that and just making that obvious that they're helping or just again to simplify it so that it's clear what's going on for the audience. um Yeah. You don't want, and for all the praise I've given the Dark Knight over our episodes, and the praise I will continue to give no one as a director. Of course. He does struggle so much with directing action. And you don't want a scene, there's a ah really, really ah clear case of this in the Dark Knight, where the Joker's chasing Batman and a solid ruse because Gordon's waiting for them at the end, that whole scene.
Speaker: is yeah is really, really poorly shot and is really confusing to watch for the first time. like It's three or four times of watching it before you understand which direction they're going and who's chasing who. It's so it's a mess. you really want and it's And that's a simple chase. That's just two cars chasing each other. like it's you don't want to It's really easy to lose sight of the plot in a chase scene if it's not simple and clear. um Yeah, especially since this one kind of flips around. It's like, ah, she's chasing Amy. Ah, we're chasing her. Ah, we figured out who she is. Ah, she's running away now. Like, now we're chasing her. Like, it's, uh, but again, it's like, obviously the reveal that Siberian is a projection and things like that, which, um, I forgot, we said this in the last episode, we were like, Oh, how do we play around with that? And again, going back to the,
Speaker: the sort of oh downside of our format because they immediately answer that she's a projection in the first chapter of our 14. And I was like, okay, well, there it is. So they they they know immediately. So we didn't, we didn't have to worry about that. um But yeah, I mean, you want to play that up so that that reveal hits really hard for the audience. And then, because of course, obviously, when, again, this is something that when like you're reading the story, siberians
Speaker: Siberian's master creator doesn't need to be important. When you're reading a story like Worm, it could just be anyone. It could be another Cauldron, Boba Case 53. Whatever the case may be, he could have his own story. But if you're watching a show, there's an expectation that that character will be important. That that reveal... If we were like Netflix producers, just saying, That's Danny, right? Like obviously. ah yeah some obvious you but like For sure. For sure. ah but It's Mr. Gladly, that bitch. It's Mr. Godly. Exactly. But like, the audience is expecting like, oh, if you're going to give us the surprise reveal,
Speaker: that reveal has to be important. like There has to be a name there or a or a person or a face that the audience was like, oh, it's that person. right um You don't just reveal into a character you've never seen before who has no impact on the story, that kind of thing. um So again, all and you don't have to do much. Just name dropping Manton, ah spacing that in with conversations. We get a little bit already because you you we can use the flashback to the first interaction with Siberian where hero dies, things like that. right um You can very easily be dropping Manton as a former PRT member, da yada yada. Oh, that's what I was going to say. Here's my note.
Speaker: Because in the interlude at the end, Legend drops this really interesting piece of information where he says to the doctor, um you you had us believing that Manton was responsible for the case 53s, that he's the one out there spreading all of this around. So that's such an easy thing that we can be ah that we can be dropping because, like for example, we know that the vials come from Cauldron. So when you're doing stuff like Nudr and all of those characters, when you when the merchants are getting vials of things, yeah all you have to be doing you had to be doing is is whoever is making those exchanges, be name dropping that like
Speaker: Here's another, here's another batch courtesy of Manton, courtesy of Dr. Manton, things like that. So that the audience is clued into who Manton is. So then but the when you get to the point that that's a ruse, that's a lie, everyone's like, oh, and that Manton is the one controlling Siberian. Like there's just this culmination of who this character is in your building to that moment at the end. Just little things like that that you got to really strengthen. That's genius. um I like it. I'm not sure I'm sold on playing that out where they just namedrop Manton, but I like the idea of them suspecting that Manton is the one doing it the and, and following up on that um because i mentioned during the battery interlude, like, ah, you know, you had somebody who's been running around doing monster shit. That's not us, you know, so there's no chance you could turn into a monster. Right. Exactly.
Speaker: Yeah, a lot to play with. And again, stuff that we'll kind of save for our season overload ah over overview. We can't forget about Cauldron, can't forget about the KS53s. It's really important. um shoot Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. um
Speaker: Yeah, and we talk about ah the Manton effect enough that the name is recognized, but having it, like you said, be a person. And i think that's I think that's a wise thing to do, play up that Manton is the person we're looking for, not Cauldron necessarily, which during the season, is you know it's kind of confusing as Manton, working with Cauldron as Cauldron. Is Cauldron Manton like, is Manton? Right, and I'm playing that up. you know Is it, you know because we assume that it's like potentially Dr. Mother,
Speaker: And then ultimately like, no, Manton booked out. And we can even have a drop the way that legend drops before, like, yeah. ah and Everybody knows Mannequins backstory. Mannequins backstory is that um he was this world famous tinker scientist that goes crazy ah after a end -bringer attack. you know And they say manton you know Manton had the same thing happened.
Speaker: So it's happened before and then they could mention that talking about Mannequin. Yeah, right like Mannequin's not the only person who went crazy and evil. Like we had Manton and now he's out there running out around doing who knows what. Like some people suspect he's responsible for case 53s. Other people say that he just like, you know, disappeared off the face of the planet. Nobody really knows. Yeah, exactly. Moving on from that, yeah we kind of talked about the miasma bit. I don't think there's much we really need to change there. If anything, we just add some more scenes. ah Oh, again, another note here I had. Do we know who, because like after Skidder clues into that she's being, that she's not with Tattletail and Gru, she's with ah Jack and Bonesaw, there's another figure following them. ah another Oh, that was ah that was battery.
Speaker: That's battery. Okay. That's the assumption. Okay. Got it. I figured I just couldn't, I can remember if that was sort of clear or not. Um, yeah. Okay. So that ties into that. Yeah. Most of that stays the same. If anything, I think we just kind of add some more scenes with the ward struggling with the rest of the undersiders, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker: Um, yeah. And to the end, uh, I feel like that. Yeah. This just needs to be tension built. Uh, you know, dealing with the miasma, she finally beats the miasma goes into break to where she's certain that they got there. She's like, it's gotta be this one. I'm pretty sure. And they get there and they're wrong. It's not them. Yeah. I like. like So, and again, I think we'll probably have to have a different conversation about how we want the season to wrap in terms of scenes. um I would probably, I feel like The Undersider should get one more just cool down scene somewhere.
Speaker: just to just to give the audience a chance to breathe. But I do really like the end of Legends Interlude as like maybe the fake credits final scene of the season where he's just sitting in front of his laptop and just seeing lie, lie, lie. That just feels like a really ah perfect like a perfect place to end the season and just sort of leaving all of those questions semi -answered. Um, I also liked the ending here for the main story being just like Taylor gets back very quickly runs the, the old ABB members out. Oh yeah. Um, tells Sierra to you know shut the door. And I kind of liked the idea of her just sitting on the floor and crying a bit oh and Sierra being like, uh, uh, what do I do? Um,
Speaker: um Cause I once again, I really liked the Sierra Charlotte Taylor. Uh, I really would enjoy building up a heart to heart relationship with them, especially when they kind of go their own ways. I think we don't need to have a lot, but I think having this weird thing where it's, it's somewhat mundane. It's what she kind of had with Lisa before, but Lisa's so far away. She doesn't have that friends that are kind of in an immediate space.
Speaker: I think having Charlotte and Sierra there um as her you know best friend crew would do really well at a TV show. And yeah I'm a sucker for mundane conversation about, you know hey, are you all right, Taylor? I'm just so tired. and you know Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think if you're doing you know like your classic season, season end montage, you know, flash to other characters, like flash to them, you flash over to the wards, you get the little like, maybe they're all just sort of in shock.
Speaker: just that back at base sort of, you know, taking a breather flash over to like, you know, grew an imp, ah just sort of, you know, brother -sister sort of, you know, hugging at the end of the day, just sort of, everyone's defeated, right? Like they won, they drove out the Sauterhaus 9, but they didn't kill Jack. The city's still basically unlivable with the amount of destruction. Like it's, this is a very, very depressing season finale and it shouldn't feel victorious, right? So it's a lot of just like we're alive and that's all we can hope for right now. um'm watching I'm watching through Masters of the Air on Apple TV right now as it's coming out, which is sort of like the Banner Brothers specific era of ah TV shows. And there's this kind of theme throughout the show as these bomb crews go out, most of them don't come back and the ones that do
Speaker: are just devastated. Like it's, it's just this really eerie feeling of we won, but at what cost, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. Um, and then just kind of bouncing around to every group, sort of feeling that. And I think Taylor fits very well there with, with, uh, Charlotte and Sierra being her, like a little bit of a root that she's, that she's placed down in her territory. Yeah. Um, and then of course you can, you know, cut to there and, and the montage and then go to legend and and finish up there.
Speaker: Yeah. Uh, I'm thinking about the end where skitter and seer are talking about, you know, having to deal with coil essentially is what she's alluding to. Um, I think that we need to, I think we can expand that conversation a lot, really talk about the fact that like, get back to the skit skitters. Like I, you know, I think the biggest challenge comes from within our organization. Like, aren't you, you know, and they're being like, wow, like your villains, like, don't you work together and she'd be like, like, i
Speaker: like clearly we've talked about I want to be a hero. This is an evolving conversation. I wanted to be a hero. I'm only working with villains so that I can get to do this gestures vaguely at her entire complex. But what happens when that person turns out to be, you know, more villainous, like this doesn't last forever. I think that that maybe needs to have a conversation. um here And I think yeah, yeah so you know, I agree. I totally agree. I think that's I think that makes sense. One other thing, then this is building off of an idea that you had an arc or two ago. But I think makes a lot of sense here because correct me if I'm wrong and I can't remember the the what is the actual event that causes picket to resign. I think it's this. Is it not? Is it the fact that you dropped bombs on a city? No, no, no, no. ah It's
Speaker: I want to say that they kidnap her and they, because, you know, it's regents crew, right? She is essentially after she gets kidnapped. They know that she is compromised. Uh, so they immediately are like scrap the staff. We need to bring somebody from out of town to do this. Oh, Hey Thomas, you want the job? Like, okay. She gets shit canned and has said, you know, probably to butt fuck Alaska because you know she can't be anywhere near the undersiders after that. okay okay and I don't even think they do anything. I think they literally just kidnap her and she's like, you've screwed me. And they're like, you're right. It's coming back to me now. yeah
Speaker: Okay, well, maybe we won't we'll put this as like a just a pin in this, maybe something we want to think about. I want to read the other arcs and we'll come back to it, maybe keeping the way it's written. But I like the idea of maybe this being something that causes Piggott to resign, because she dropped bombs on a, especially baccala bombs on a populated area. Arguably. Yeah. um And then, you know, if you really want to play it up, because thinking to the future, we only have a couple more arcs with coil and you kind of want to play that up a bit. um I like the idea and you said this of having him kind of in the background already with the PRT, maybe as her like assistant director or something like that. Yep. And maybe he's planting. Yeah, he's planting the ideas of using the bombs. I was going to say.
Speaker: And she's resigned, like very House of Cards, right? Yeah, he's like, oh, was it was an honor to serve under you. And she's like, I can't think of anybody better for the job. And he's like, I'll do my best. Immediately starts, you know, like ah walks into the other room and has already got the people like, yeah, like you've got the story written for me taking over. to They're like, how did you know? Like, bitch, I've always had this play. ah just Yeah, just just establishing him as the director a bit sooner than when it takes place in the story, just to give it a bit more, I don't, i again, i want to I'll have to read the next couple arcs and we might, we'll come back to that. It's kind of pushing ahead a little bit. But just one thing we could do yeah is is have this be the catalyst for his ah is takeover. No, I think it's really good. I think you know it's another one of those, he's willing to sacrifice people.
Speaker: Right. Um, yeah. Having, you know, if they do something with Piget, like before she gets like maybe the kidnapper and she's like, I don't know why you kidnapped me. I'm on my way out and basically talks about like, yeah, I was planning on doing this. Like, you know, maybe slips that like her deputy said we could bomb the shit out of him. That way when they realize like, Oh, deputy Calvert is coil. Fuck. He was the real one that was okay. right Bombing us, which means much like all the other times he's thrown us out, you know this one, he really left us out to dry. like He was okay bombing the shit out of us, ah and which makes for you know a much better, like why do we have to get rid of the underside? like Why do we have to get rid of him? Because we don't know when he's just going to like kill us. We really don't know.
Speaker: yeah um And I think that perceived threat that you know is there and maybe even stated, ah because it's ah at this point in time, it's a great it's a great takeover. like He has Emperor Palpatine himself into the perfect position. He controls both the the law and order, but also the underworld like completely in this city. Like when he says he took over the city, he took over the city. Like, yeah. Yeah, um exactly. Yeah. There's, there's a lot of these, i like i'm I'm remembering too, there's other elements we want to include, not necessarily for this arc, but just thinking in terms of the season as a whole.
Speaker: Arms Master disappears and we don't see him again until like, what would be season three? Yeah, I don't necessarily like that. I probably would want to see. Arms Master disappears after his confrontation with Mannequin and is gone until season three. So he's like, he's seen in the first episode or two of season two and then you don't see him again until season three. I think he probably deserves a bit more story given his way. Maybe Legend doesn't go to Kid Wen. Maybe legend goes to arms master. Ooh, see, I like that. See, that's good. But I do like, I do like kid when, but, uh, I do like you can even you think given about scrapping him. I know we talked to definitely about scrapping chariot, but like, yeah, yeah. Also said when, if we needed to, I wouldn't scrap kid, when, but definitely, definitely chariot. Um, cause I would know i like to win with a clock blocker a lot of the time, but I'm also more of a clock blocker stand.
Speaker: Well, I mean, I like, I think, I think the, the word group is weld clock blocker, Vista and kid win. Like that's the core. And I like that. Shoot. You're right. Uh, and push at and flush out. You're right. And flush out days there too. Um, I like that that, that crew kind of is the survivors of Leviathan and, uh, you're right. You're right. There's not a lot of them just gives them, gives them a little bit to interact with. Um, yeah, I don't have too many more notes here on, on the Ark overall, making a lot of notes for the season.
Speaker: But I'll say season notes is going to be a whole whole different. It's going to be a lot different. I feel like for season one, our episode was but pretty like we already written it pretty much. We were just going over with Nick and Hannah, like, all right, here's where these are going to break. This is why you're wrong. And we're right. Like this is we kind of just moved through this season. I feel like season two is going to be a quite a bit trickier ah sort of narrow, yeah narrow down. um I think banging down the chronology of all of this, ah those you know added BC and D plots. I can't believe I'm saying that. no Going on and you know putting those in order how we want them to. I think that's an entire episode of us getting that shit together. And then in an episode of us presenting to our fellow book club members.
Speaker: man and do that sorry michael I have to do that. That's fine. That's right. content When do we think, when do you guys think that our last episode will be for this season? Oh boy. like which are Well, I think it would be arc 14. I think it's this arc. I think it's this one. Yeah. no Like maybe, and again, I'll have to read 15 again. Maybe there's like an interlude or a chapter for 15 early on that would work as well here. This teen has strong epilogue vibes. Yeah. and Again, I have to reread it and see what I remember here.
Speaker: um But yeah, I think to the main, the main, yeah, the main, the main plot being if, if arc one concludes with Leviathan or season one concludes with by then season two concludes with the slaughterhouse nine leaving Brockton Bay, um, which would leave season three is the travelers and Noel and coil, which that kind of makes sense putting all that together. The season four. Okay. Okay. Hear me out. Hear me out. two I got two options in my head. yeah On one side, we could either have arc 15 be sort of an epilogue episode.
Speaker: you know um There's a lot to unpack there. A lot of it is just loose ends. um So we could have that be an epilogue episode, which makes arc 16 the kickoff to the next episode. And it gets us very quickly into ah taking down coil, like very quickly. It could probably be two episodes, but like that's how you kick off the season, did which leaves room for the rest of the season to be the travelers.
Speaker: them Or because that's only like four arcs of traveler content. right We just have 15 through eight, 19, 18. ah nineteen Through 19. Through 19, yeah. his Is Noel and the Travelers. Be our bit there. Yeah. No, let's we'll keep that. Gotta play around with that for sure. There's a lot. could do there. I like the idea of Coyle. Coyle's demise feels very Game of Thrones in the sense that like, you don't really see it coming until it's happening. It's very Ned Stark gets beheaded and you're like, wait, hold on a second. I thought i thought he was endgame, right? Like that kind of thing.
Speaker: Sorry, I had a spoiled season one of Game of Thrones for anybody. um But I like that it happens. It's not the climactic end to a to a season. It happens in the middle of the season and is a it should be a really big shock moment. I mean, that moment is huge for not just the story in the world, but also for Taylor as a character, all that kind of stuff, right? um Like that's a big, big moment. And I love that it happens or would happen in um in the middle of the season as opposed to making it like you're drawing it out or anything like that. like it's so It's a cool shock moment that I think serves the story really well and and doesn't doesn't doesn't arrive when people think it should as opposed to a lot of other beats in the story that are a little bit more traditional. Yeah. I mean, maybe it plays out really well.
Speaker: Yeah, I got to reread it. We'll see. We'll get, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We'll see. I might have to reexamine that. Okay. So just to clarify, we decide, I think 14 is the end of the season. Okay. I think 14 would be the end. Okay. All right. Okay. So then in that case, next episode, they can expect
Speaker: season review. Our season in review. Season in review. Thank you, Michael, for keeping us organized. Okay, cool. it's Making sure I'm tracking as well. We'll do a season review for season two. ah Probably clean up a lot of what we've been talking about here. We'll break in, we'll probably be smart to sort of talk about and clarify our plot lines, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and you know so on. um Structure the episodes, how we kind of want to spread them out, where we want to cut things, things like that to kind of put it together. We've had a lot of really good thoughts this season, a lot of fun changes to make.
Speaker: um And we're definitely this is definitely going to feel quite a bit different from the pacing of the story itself as opposed to Season 1, which I think is pretty similar to the way it's read. I think Season 2 will feel a bit different, which is fun. It's exciting. so Uh, stay tuned for that. That's going to be a lot of fun. And then I guess we'll do, yeah, we'll probably do an episode for that. And then the, and then another episode, probably not as long. Honestly, maybe we could do and just tie it into the end of the next episode. We'll see. Um, just reviewing it with Nick and Hannah, like we did for season one. I think that was pretty fun and, uh, getting their, their fresh reactions. I'd love to hear their fresh reactions. Cause they hated the minor changes they made to season one. Oh my gosh. no hey I can't wait.
Speaker: They had some good ideas too. They did. We added some good notes. I don't remember what they were now, but they were good. Yeah. You know, maybe in these seasonal reviews, we could go over, uh, some of the comments we've gotten. Yeah, I think we should. Good idea. Good idea. We've had a lot of really good - There's some bangers in there. I was gonna say we've had some really good ideas and comments. And thank you for this. On the socials. Please keep them up. Please give us more. We're gonna try and put our discussions out ahead of time. That way we can incorporate them into our episodes from now on. While we're doing that, you can also leave us a voicemail.
Speaker: Mm -hmm. Yes, you can. Let me number here. Yes. Uh, nine eight zero nine nine nine zero four three eight. You heard it there. There you go. All in with your Cape name and, uh, what you'd like to tell us, help us, uh, as we continue to build this podcast and well maybe we'll feature your, your call. We've got a fun speaking of call. This is, uh, comment that we received on when I was asking about ah this arc um on top of Wolf Tamer Nime, giving just some of the, but just a book that is fantastic. as Just a bunch of good comments there. yeah um So much so that it's just sort of, yeah. Mundane Glass 5295 also had of one which is ah particularly like this. It's legend.
Speaker: has a clear shot at Siberian at the end, ah but doesn't take it. She, you know, maybe raises Taylor and Lisa's suspicions. um I think that's, and like I know that at one point in time we're talking, they're you know, they're talking about that in the series. He's like, I can shoot. And they're like, you know, why aren't you? He's like, who do I shoot? I think having a bigger moment where they are getting away and He goes, ah, they're out of range or something. And right Lisa and Taylor look at each other and like bullshit. ah Right, right. Yeah. All right. Well, I think that's about wraps sending anything up. Any last thoughts, Alan? No, and i'm I'm out of thoughts. Out of thoughts for now. we'll We'll have a whole bunch more for the next episode. Thanks, Michael, for keeping us on track and keeping us organized. so
Speaker: Next episode will be is season 2 recap. That'll be a lot of fun. Stick around for that. And as we've been saying, please let us know your thoughts. We really enjoy reading some of these ideas and comments you've been leaving for us on Reddit and YouTube and Instagram. ah So please keep those coming. It's been a lot of fun. This has been our goal for this whole podcast is just to interact more with fans of Worm as we very clearly are and getting a lot of fun ideas for how we'd love to see this show or this story adapted as a show. ah So stick around next week, it's gonna be a lot of fun. And until then, as always, take that, you worms.
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