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The Body is a Doorway: Returning to Inner Knowing with Venita Ramirez
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In this episode, somatic guide and facilitator Venita Ramirez invites us into a deeper dialogue with the intelligence of the body. We explore how true healing unfolds when we slow down, honor the mystery, and learn to trust the subtle signals within. Venita shares how grief, surrender, and stillness can become portals into wholeness—and why becoming “no one” is sometimes the most liberating path forward.
This is a conversation about reclaiming embodiment in a disembodied world. And about remembering that, no matter how fractured things may feel, you have never been separate from the sacred.
Venita Ramirez - Master coach, adult development guide, shadow work samurai
Since 2016 Venita has focused her coaching practice on supporting people who are at later stages of awareness, assisting transformation through the clarity, bliss and stillness of boundless Awareness. With a graduate degree in psychology, she has forty years of experience counseling and facilitating individuals and groups on relationships, conscious breathing, subtle energy, and awareness practices. From the mid-80’s through the mid-90’s she trained extensively in somatic approaches to awareness and healing. Her deep study and practice includes shamanism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, Tantra, and the work of Ken Wilber’s Integral Theory, and Dan P Brown’s Stages of Meditation. She also assisted in Terri O’Fallon’s research on later stages of adult development and was in the first group of trained scorers for the Stages Assessment.
More resources - https://www.venitaramirez.com/blog-1
Healing and the Extraordinary Mind paper - https://www.venitaramirez.com/post/healing-the-extraordinary-mind.
To do the STAGES assessment - https://www.stagesinternational.com/stagesassessments . There are also numerous resources on the STAGES website for learning.
Scott Schwenk - Master Coach, Spiritual Teacher, Culture Architect
Scott’s teachings, courses and private mentoring guide leaders, seekers and creatives to explore their deepest selves in service of thriving on all levels of being, both individually and relationally.
Host and creator of the podcast The Choice To Grow, Scott is known for his hugely popular courses and workshops with OneCommune.com, Younity.com, Wanderlust Festivals, and Unplug Meditation, Scott has been catalyzing the inner evolution of others for decades: helping them to grow, transform obstacles into opportunities, and find Love within.
Scott spent several years living and studying in a meditation monastery which introduced him to the core body of Tantric meditation traditions which continue to flow through each of his teachings. Scott continues to study and teach from two key Tantric lineage streams.
Apprenticeships in leadership development, meditation and philosophy training, shadow work/shadow resolution and spiritual awakening are all part of Scott’s development into the thought-leader that he is today.
Scott’s teachings support the entire person to not only progressively recognize, stabilize and embody our inextricable oneness with the source of creation (Waking Up), but also to resolve the wounds of the past (Cleaning Up), continually expand our capacities for wider and more inclusive perspectives on any moment (Growing Up) and creatively and joyfully participate and collaborate with all of life as a loving thriving human being (Showing Up).
You can receive a free guided meditation and explore Scott’s courses, workshops, retreats, training and master coaching at https://scottschwenk.com and can find him on Instagram @thescottschwenk.
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Transcript
Introduction and Breathing Exercise
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Welcome to The Choice to Grow. I'm Scott Schwenk. Through these dialogues, we'll explore fresh perspectives and discover practical tools for navigating a thriving life that adds value wherever we are.
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I'll introduce you to innovators and creators from across our world who embody what it means to cultivate growing as a way of life. Let's prepare together.
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Take a deep breath in.
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Hold the breath briefly as you soften your shoulders and soften the soles of your feet and palms of your hands. Then exhale like you're releasing tension and setting down a heavy burden from every cell.
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Ah. Now let's dive in.
Introducing Vanita Ramirez
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Welcome everybody. Welcome back to The Choice to Grow. I am delighted to share one of my favorite people in life who I've been getting to know very, very deeply over 10 years.
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I first met Venita Ramirez when I was in a deep, deep period of questioning, and there have been many in my life. And she ended up scoring an adult ego inventory.
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I know that sounds like a lot of words, but it's really this fascinating way to get a sense of where we've developed to, where we might struggle and put some effort into cleaning up in ways that are appropriate to us, and where our gifts are up ahead of our current center of gravity that we can learn from, benefit from, for the benefit of everyone involved.
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And I'll tell you a little bit about Vanita's background. So she holds a graduate degree in psychology. She has 40 years of experience in counseling and facilitating individuals and groups with regards relationships, conscious breath, subtle energy, and awareness practices.
Vanita's Training and Work
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From the mid 80s through the mid 90s, she trained extensively in somatic approaches. And I just want to remind us as this is a newer podcast, somatic means of or pertaining to the body.
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We're not just telling stories in somatic approaches. We're involved in what's happening in the body and what's happening with the breath and how it plays out in our conduct with each other. So from this time, the mid 80s through the 90s, training extensively in somatic approaches to awareness and healing with teachers Bennett Wong, MD, and Jacques McKean, MD, in British Columbia, Canada.
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During that time, she also attended meditation and chanting practice in a tantric tradition known as Siddha Yoga meditation. Her extensive study of spiritual and Eastern philosophies include shamanism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, forms of Tantra, and the extraordinary work of Ken Wilber's Integral Theory and Daniel P. Brown from Harvard's Stages of Meditation.
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In 2006, Benita joined Terry O'Fallon and Jeff Fitch at an extraordinary groundbreaking program, Pacific Integrals, Generating Transformative Change.
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leading cohorts, co-designing and co-leading nine month programs, retreats in the US, Australia and Ethiopia. She assisted Terry's research on later stages of adult development and was the first group of trained scorers for the stages assessment. Now, this is a really big deal.
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People who are learning this now spend an entire year learning how to assess based on what comes out of somebody's pen or keyboard, answers to questions like family is, my mother, when they left me, and things like this that get us a real clear center of gravity on how a person is taking perspective or experiencing their moments, not just when things are going well, but across all areas of life. So to be a scorer in one of the first very, very powerful training that she brings to everything she does.
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And since 2016, Vanita's focused her coaching practice on supporting people like me who are at later stages of awareness and looking to grow. Her spiritual practices lean towards Tibetan Buddhism now, and she's especially interested in the subtle appearances that occur in late stage individuals through the clarity, bliss, and stillness of boundless awareness.
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Let's just take a moment and even if that sounds far away, the clarity, bliss, and stillness of boundless awareness. So without further ado, let me say a few more words about my experience.
Scott's Experience with Vanita
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I've been coaching deeply with Vanita for once a week, sometimes twice a week, for over 10 years, through the death of my mother, the loss of my father, the loss of my dear spiritual teacher and friend, Sally Kempton, through many ups and downs in life,
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And i cannot tell you how extraordinary this has been for myself and others for me to have this regular engagement, especially when things are going well.
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So many of us reach out for inner work when we're in a disturbance or hit a rocky bottom of some sort. This podcast, in no small part, is to encourage us to continue to choose to grow no matter what, especially when things are going well, and for much more than our own sake. So with all the love in my heart and so much respect, welcome to you, Vanita Ramirez.
Causal Leadership and Meditation
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Thank you so much, Scott. I so appreciate what a beautiful introduction you gave me. I'm so glad to be here with you. Yeah. So you've got an extraordinary body of writing.
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You have the ability to write like an academic, but make it so relatable and translatable. And I've been referring over and over again to your papers, one that you co-wrote where you were the lead on causal leadership.
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Let's start with leadership. So those terms, causal and leadership, that might be brand new to a lot of folks. what just what is the possibility and why is this so valuable to organizations and individuals to get involved with?
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That's a good question. I mean causal really came out of I think the Hindu tradition, one of the Hindu traditions, right? We got the concrete body, subtle body, and then the causal awareness.
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Causal awareness is like the formless, formless awareness, the absolute. And through that, clarity comes, comes through that, the knowing of what to do in each moment arises and there's a flow.
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And so if we can tap in, as we tap into that formless awareness, there's, it's actually full of all kinds of information that can come through. And as a leader,
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ah that's priceless to be able to let go of all of our ah conditioning, all of our beliefs, all of our preconceptions, completely rest in stillness and clarity and listen deeply.
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And in each moment, whatever is needed arises and can be applied. So that's what causal leadership in a nutshell is.
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Just the words are so touching to me. I hope they are to you as a listener, these possibilities of whether we consider ourselves a leader or somebody simply living our best life and doing our best with the people around us, to be able to actually not have to depend on ordinary historic thinking to know how to meet a moment in the best way for everyone involved.
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Yeah. And that's not that's not easy. i mean, it takes a lot of meditation practice. It takes clearing the psychological trauma, the different types of things that happens to everybody, really, in our childhood um that tends to muddy the waters of our consciousness, right? it Because then we get fixated on our pain or on...
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projecting onto somebody else what we think they're doing and then we hurt ourselves with that and most of the time it's not even what's going on. So, you know, learning to clear all of that out of the way is really not that easy of a task.
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And you also have to be able to release thoughts. you have to be able to empty the mind in order to, again, have that clear field that from from which you you know the knowing um arises, clear knowing.
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I'm just thinking of of the number of people I've met in when we've had cohorts together that we're training and studying together or practicing together of people who are already established in positions that other people view as leadership.
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And yet, show up at the work and grow tremendously. yeah yeah What do you feel like is the is this secret sauce when the work is going well?
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What is it that happens between a facilitator and a learner when it's really going well that expedites it? It's not just getting caught in learning information in my mind.
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No, it's not. um Well, I use breath a lot, as you know. i know that you do too in your work. um And the breath actually helps clear, it helps relax and relieve tension through the body.
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Because held tension um is part of the muddying of the waters. Held tension in the body, like any kind of pain that results in pain or any kind of tightness in the muscles, which most people have, we all have.
Relaxation Practice Guide
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um prevents that clear clarity from coming through, right? And so one of the most important things is to relax through the body. And I know that you do that a lot with people that you work with.
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Relax, relax, relax, relax. And then relax all the way up through the throat and the neck. Relax all the way up through the head and the temples. Relax through the eyes and the sinuses. Relax through the top of the head.
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Relax all the way down. A lot of people don't relax in their lower body. Relax down through your hips. Will you just actually in real time take us through however far it goes, just like a beginning practice with this that we could actually take on for ourselves after this?
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Sure. Okay. you want me to do it? Let's do it together. I'll do it with you. Yes, yes, yes. I'll be the dummy. Okay, sounds good. All right. crash test dummy.
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Okay. Yeah, let's do it. So if you put your attention in, let's start with the abdomen. kind So that's the low part of the torso and just focus there for a moment and just notice what you notice. So some people notice like it's dark in there or it's tight or they can't feel anything, right? Numb even.
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and um But some people are really alive there and they can feel warmth and tingling and vibration. So just notice what you notice. There's no wrong way to be. and There's a subtle vibration.
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There's a subtle vibration and a tiny layer of tension that seems like it's probably ah like habitual and has to do with being able to stand up and sit down like muscularly.
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Okay, great, great example. All right, so in that layer of tension, a tiny layer of tension or subtle layer of tension, you want to just focus there. So any place you have tension or pain, focus there.
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And then breathe gently into that spot. And then as you exhale, just release the tension if you can or intend to release it even if it doesn't release.
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Sometimes it's just tiny little bits make a big difference. And just release it. How do I know if I'm releasing it or trying to push it away? Oh, that's a good question.
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don't know. Tell me. you Can you tell? I can tell in me. Let's see Let's see. Let the words come.
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Well, I've got this imagery of like holding any of these areas, like holding a ah baby or a small animal. Yeah. Like I, who has a cold or a flu, I'm going to hold it closely, but not too tightly. And I'm not having an idea about how quickly the tension should change.
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There's like, there's a, some sort of a trust. And then I know I'm not, it seems like I'm not pushing anything away. Good. I like that. like that. Cause you're the Buddhist idea of no not avoiding.
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and not grasping, no grab and no avoidance. So what we want to do is just be and just just let go just release. You don't have to try very hard.
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You just intend and then relax. That's all. And then you, beautiful. And then from there, you start to move into your hips, let's say the pelvis, lower down the root, hips, pelvis.
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ye your seat,
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down through your thighs, and and then lower down through your legs, and then relax your knees. So you're just doing sort of a whole body relaxation.
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scan And then if I find an area that's got something going on, I linger longer. Yeah, that's helpful. Yeah, you can do that. So if some things, people hold tension in their joints a lot. So your knees, hips, ankles, elbows, or another one, people forget to relax those.
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Oh, that's nice. Yeah, exactly. And then you just go all the way down to your feet, soles of your feet. And I like to, I think it's important to feel your connection with the ground because what we're doing is we're eventually gonna just go way out as far as we can go in our awareness, into boundlessness even.
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So we're going into boundlessness, it's important to be grounded through the body.
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Yeah. Are there other phrases or words that that point at grounding and what the what the result of grounding is for a person?
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That's a good question. I mean, let's talk about it together because you know a lot of stuff too. It's a conversation. So grounding, what's another one for you? For me, the it's like the net effect. i can feel my whole body from head to toe. And if I can feel my whole body from head to toe, really, then I know I'm more present and available to being guided from infinite wisdom streams.
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Beautiful. I love that. I mean, we're talking about being embodied, right? like Because we everybody knows people who are like meditators and they're kind of out in the clouds and they're not really, you know they just seem like they're not really connected to themselves very much or to the world.
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And there's something about that that doesn't quite, you know, it's it's not, doesn't quite land. It's not really, right? We know there's something missing there. And so what that is is like embodiment really and dealing with all the shadow material, all the trauma and types of things that come through being human as we grow up.
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It's very important to work with that. There are some of our colleagues, some of them are really prominent in these communities that we're knowing about, like the integral community and so on, who are talking about something like the fourth turning of Buddhism or some new turning of how awareness practices and embodiment practices are flowing.
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From my seat, it seems like certain portions of the world or certain cultures were really good at recognizing the made-up nature of our historical sense of self and seeing through that into what we could call emptiness, a vast pregnant emptiness.
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And then other groups seem to be, particularly in the advent of psychology in the last hundred years, really good at dealing with this life, um attachment wounding, you know, challenges with our parents or primary caregivers that keep influencing how we date or marry or do anything.
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And it seems like this new turning regardless of whether it's related to a Buddhist or some other ist, is like this coming together of multiple wisdom streams
Oneness and Awareness
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that are to do with having a body as well as what transcends the body. What are your feelings about that in your own observation of people That's so important. Yeah. I mean, that's integration. It's like finally happening, right? Because yeah as you know, so many years, even in our own lifetime, i mean, 20 years ago, people weren't really talking about somatics that much or the body or putting psychology and spirituality together. They were like two separate realms, right?
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So bringing it all together is I think is really, ah it's really a beautiful service to humanity right now. Absolutely. Absolutely. One of my teachers has said many times, she said, the mind learns by taking things apart and the heart learns by putting them together. And what I hear in what you're saying is a heart-based, not a Hallmark-based, but heart-based, truly heart-based orientation to life.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, it's taking in everything all at once too, right? So it's... um There's a holistic quality to it.
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So like, for example, i my philosophy, my my my experience actually is one of being,
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this is really hard to put into words, but it's, there's one awareness that pervades all. and it pervades me and you and everything.
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And we are that awareness.
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And so what keeps us from that awareness is separation, sin, and the pulling ourselves in and around pain, right? Or a judgment.
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And if we can actually feel the pain and release the judgments, then this wholeness is always already there.
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That awareness that pervades all is always already there. And so it's our job if we want to experience that oneness with that awareness that we are that, it's our job to heal, to be present to this pain,
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this trauma to whatever's here that we're anything that we're pushing away, anything we're grasping, let it go and just allow ourselves to be, to know that we are one with that awareness that verbates all and that we are that.
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Yeah. so so getting there means, means feeling everything. It means right. It means, and that's through the body.
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You can't feel through your mind. you know, in the same way that you feel through the body. And so to me, wholeness comes through just feeling and being present to whatever's here, not pushing anything away. Yeah.
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couple of things that light up about that one for you who are listening. When we talk about feeling everything at once, we don't mean necessarily handling all the tension and trauma of your life in one 20 minute sit or one one hour session with a facilitator.
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But we're moving in the direction of being able to feel more things at the same time. you know How many of us um can focus on one task at a time, but not necessarily two or three?
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like can you be aware Can I be aware of the softening of the soles of my feet while I'm in a difficult engagement um with people who are trying to ah defraud my insurance company? This is a real experience. can i Can I really be softening my body and open to the wisdom stream while hearing outrageous things being spoken to me?
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and not take the bait. So where we're going with all this is the ability, i guess maybe to be like a hummingbird. It's the only creature I know of that can move in all directions in the air, except it can't walk, but it can fly in all directions to be able to move more nimbly in all directions, especially, you know,
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in our closest relationships or whatever, you know, like how many of us, I need to hear this certain piece of music to feel at peace or I can't, or I need to eat this certain food or I need to do this certain thing.
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What happens when we're free from a lot of this and we know it and we can trust ourselves to confront unfamiliar situations and choose to grow and choose to feel resourced? That's where all this is going.
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Yes, very nice. Love that. That's right. And there's the physical body where you're feeling whatever you've avoided throughout your lifetime. You know, and can I need to feel this.
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You might need support for that because it's not always easy to feel it. Right. So there's the physical body. And then we have that subtle body. And the subtle body is another body that most of us don't even, many people don't realize they have, but some people do.
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And it usually goes out at least a few feet as you're walking around, but it's elastic. So it can actually expand out into infinity and it can be pulled back into your body real tightly. And in that subtle body, there's other types of tensions.
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And a lot of times it's relational tensions because it's with people in the, you know, out there somewhere and you can feel it in here where you, some people actually gather up other people's emotions in their own subtle energy field. Right.
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And then they're like, why do I feel this way all of a sudden? Oh, they don't realize it was because they just had lunch with somebody who was, you know, basically venting. about their relationship or something and had a lot of anger going on or something like that. so now they feel this.
00:23:22
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So it's really also important to learn to clear the energy, subtle energy field, right? and again, that you clear the physical as much as you can, you clear the subtle as much as you can. That just opens everything up.
00:23:37
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And then that's when you can start to contact this like really amazing, mysterious, like wisdom, intelligence, love. that you were pointing to earlier. Yeah.
00:23:51
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I've noticed that in the stronger experiences of the of contacting the stream of wisdom, love, and and timeless, boundless awareness, that there are times when it feels so good that I just don't want to do anything in the concrete world and have maybe even avoided certain things. Is this a common happening for people that you've noticed?
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I think it can be. Yeah, there's certain phases we go through where like, oh, this is all new. Like, oh my gosh, it's a new, i was like there's all of this awe and wonder and amazing like experience that we're having, right?
00:24:27
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So people just want to hang out there for a while and that's okay for a while. But eventually you start to integrate in how to operate in the world as a human. That's very important too, right?
00:24:39
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How to work around with this awareness and still function really well. It's possible. Some people are really afraid of growing. They're afraid of letting go of the old self because like, how will I function? Or what if I let go of my thoughts? him Am I going to be able to, you know, hold a job or something with that? But yeah.
00:24:58
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There's a different awareness. There's something else that comes online when you let go of this ah it's the cerebral kind of focus or the intellectual focus. What comes online is is clear awareness, like big awareness, awareness that is...
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It perceives way faster than the intellect. And so what you were saying earlier, it's just like, it's immediate. Like you just stay with it and you just, you're a you're nimble like the hummingbird. And you just know.
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you just know what to do. you don't even have to think about it. You just, it just comes to And you know know. Exactly. There's no doubt. It's just like, and then it works out, right? Doesn't it?
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It's like, it's yeah so, and it's like, okay, well that, that verifies that I, that the knowing was, was right. Right? when And then you can live that way. You can live from that place. It's really magical.
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I mean, it seems like what's happening more and more, um in in places where this kind of work is happening is this, is it's being presented like the demystification of awakening, of what we call awakening. what we put What we projected was only available to a rare few people. We're understanding more and more that moving into basic or even moderate awakening is is like available to everybody when we're choosing to grow.
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Absolutely right. It is available to everybody. And it's, and it's not, again, what we have to do, though, is to do our work, do our inner work, right, is to, is to heal the pain that's in the way the pain gets us all caught up in it, right? And then we can't perceive these more subtle, knowing subtle information, we can't perceive it. So deal that work,
00:26:50
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then Then work with the subtle energy field, ideally, and then boom. you know It's just like, wow, everything is just so clear. And bliss, right? And the stillness is there, or the emptiness.
00:27:03
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Yeah. I've been brought through number of different ways to work with or spot subtle impressions or what's often, we haven't used the word other than my bio intro with you, shadow Suddenly when we start talking about things like shadow, um people can start to think, oh, I've got to know the exact circumstance when this happened to me.
00:27:28
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And I've found in my work with you over the years, even though I've tried some of those approaches and even studied them deeply, they put me in my head and not into the position to actually meet and release, meet, feel fully and release the thing without having to know exactly when it happened.
00:27:46
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Yeah, exactly. Well, it is helpful when you're, and so you mentioned the stages development stages of development. So at sort of more common stages of development, um I would say it can be useful, especially when you're first starting your psycho psychology, you know, psychological process, right?
00:28:08
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and learning, it's it's helpful to to know oh, this happened it feels like I was five. I feel five right now when I'm having this feeling. And so let's go back and like explore that and what happened then.
00:28:20
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That's really useful at that time. But I think as you get later in your awareness and you're able to perceive these settle the subtle energy field, then yes, it's way faster and less intellectual. It's like you just perceive it directly through the field.
00:28:37
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you And you immediately know, oh, that was that wound, that was that pain. Or maybe it wouldn't won't even come to you like that. And it just releases, right?
00:28:48
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All you you have to do is just go right to that tension in the subtle field. A lot of times it's relational relational conflict. And you just don't think about it. You can't go up here. If you go up here, it's going to like ah distort it.
00:29:06
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into kind of your own individual human idea of what it is, your own projection about what this thing is. But if you can let the mind go and just directly perceive through the energy field, the the sensation of conflict and just feel it without thought and stay there and not avoid it within minutes, within seconds even, it'll just like open up, show you the lesson, and then it's cleared.
00:29:36
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it's It's amazing. So yeah, it's way faster to do that.
Energy Fields and Personal Growth
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you don't reify the situation. And then you're just free from it from then on. Reify is a word that shows up in the conversations with a lot of our colleagues and friends.
00:29:52
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And just for those of you who are new to that word, it means to basically confirmation bias. It's like reinforcing ah belief that actually reduces energy and aliveness.
00:30:02
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it's that kind But we can also reify things that are wonderful. Typically, we mean to talk about it in terms of these subtle impressions where, you know, Well, here's an example of something I've worked with Vanita about for years is is opening up to being in an intimate romantic partnership.
00:30:21
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And there have been times even recently where I'm like, for crying out loud, I'm X number of years old and na-na-na-na-na. I'm reifying. There's something wrong with me. I can't have it. In that view, it's normal and it's safe and it's fun fine to be able to say it and have it heard.
00:30:37
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But if I keep beating the drum of that, I'm going to keep pushing away the thing I say I want and then stay in the role of victim. And I feel like this is what I see with my clients. This is what I see in my own sessions with you is the importance of bringing enough awareness online for the client or student or practitioner to see that we're doing that.
00:31:00
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Mm hmm. That's right. Yeah, that's really important to, I mean, it's, again, yeah it's good to explore it for a little bit. But then not year after year after year, going back to the same thing again, and saying, Oh, this happened to me, this happened to me, this happened to me, you know, and then it just kind of keeps it all in place. And it's like, well, okay, it happened to you.
00:31:21
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All kinds of things happen to people. It's really painful. Let's stay with the pain of it. And then Let it move, right? Let it move and let it transform itself. Yeah, that's the thing. Well, this thing about you know something you said to me at some point that one of either Jock or Bennett said to you is you've got to update yourself. like We have these memories that may not be accurate to who we've actually become and like operating updating the operating system on my phone.
00:31:48
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yeah yeah' Update my weight. I'm not that person. I'm actually in a different experience. I'm not five anymore. I'm an adult with choice and I can come and go. That's right. they're That's beautiful.
00:31:59
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Very well said. That's right. Update. Update yourself. It's important. Again, it's not necessarily easy and you can't often do it alone. It's good to have somebody to help, right? and but Let's talk about that a little bit. Like this this something, this when it goes well, why it can be so helpful to have a facilitator or a teacher who is embodying something further down the road than my own development. Like what is going on in those sessions that's so transformative.
00:32:29
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Isn't that cool? I just love it. I've always, you know, there's um there's an absorbing that happens. You know, that's how I've always learned best is just going to be with teach amazing teachers or people that I look up to or people I can learn from.
00:32:46
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And rather than trying to understand what they're saying so much, just absorbing what they're saying. So it's just like being really open. And just feeling who they are and letting it like soaking it up.
00:32:58
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Yeah. There's something about that, that if people can relax their mind, it's again, you have to relax your mind because you were trying to figure it out and understand it.
00:33:09
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Again, it keeps it up here. It diminishes it. It makes it smaller. Thought's great. It's, it's beautiful. It's, there's nothing wrong with thought. m At the same time, we often, you know, value it more highly than,
00:33:24
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wish you know more highly than let's say this other thing, which is like just experience, receive, absorb, you know, take it in. and Like being at ah at at the and an incredible sunset or sunrise or walking through a magnificent forest. Like how many of us have walked through a magnificent forest or watched many beautiful sunrises?
00:33:48
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Am I sitting there going, how many leaves are on that tree? No, I'm just like... My breath is deeper as I walk through. It's like I'm getting in touch with what's real, especially during you know the COVID period when many of us were getting to walk a lot and walk maybe in nature.
00:34:05
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Wow, how healing and fortifying or the sunset. like I'm not going, what's the percentage of helium and hydrogen that's making this look? I don't care. hair. I'm just like, whoa, look at this painting. And I'm feeling it with my whole body.
00:34:19
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There you go. And the consciousness, we go back to this absolute you know free awareness. just It's like, because we are that, which it's like all the information comes through that absorbing.
00:34:34
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All the information. We don't have to remember it here. And it will... She's pointing at her head, by the way, those of you who are on the audio. ah Okay, yeah.
00:34:45
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And you know, and it will look like like we said earlier, it'll, it'll reveal itself again, this information will come back up when it's when it's needed. In the moment, we have to trust that, you know, we trust that and then it does. And even more information than we even knew we knew comes up. So again, it's the opposite of trying to figure it out and trying to accumulate more and more and more. It's the opposite of that. It's releasing, releasing, releasing, letting go, letting go, letting go being empty, empty, empty, empty And that's when all of the knowledge and wisdom of the universe is available.
00:35:20
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Everybody just take a deep breath together with us. Like just let that land for a moment.
00:35:27
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That possibility that is always here is not just one person's direct experience. It's mine for sure. And it continues to grow.
00:35:39
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yeah A simple example is I meet so many people on a weekly basis, and that's a lot of names. And sometimes I'll forget somebody's name, like particularly at the gym, I meet a lot of people and say, hello.
00:35:53
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Somebody will walk towards me like, I don't know their name. And if I'll just relax and just lightly gaze at them, it appears, the name appears. But if I'm trying, I can't think of it or I'll call them the wrong name.
00:36:07
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That's right. Yeah, beautiful. And the same thing happens if you lose something. When I lose something, I'm like, where did I put it? Where is it? Or maybe it dropped somewhere where I didn't even know it dropped.
00:36:18
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And then I'll just relax. And it just, right? Does that happen to you, Scott? It's just like, boom, and it's over here. It's like, I go walk over there and there it is. So that's just another small one. I couldn't find your paper. There's a beautiful paper that everybody, I've got a link in the show notes for you that you can read.
00:36:36
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And it'll also you'll be able to see other writings that Anita's done on her website. But this particular paper, was like, where is it? I was hunting through my house, tearing the house apart, going, I know I have it. I know I printed it it out. I know I've read it many times. Where in the world is it?
00:36:50
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And I just stood still for a moment, got quiet. And for me, I hear an inner knowing or like a voice and just like, You go into your email, you're going to find it in an email thread, and you'll be able to freshly download it And that's exactly what happened.
00:37:04
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Yeah, great. That's exactly what happened. Yeah. It's this, we we think, and I have thought before, because i was a child who was heavily criticized, um not that that was the only thing that led to this, but I felt like I had to try harder at everything than everybody else and didn't realized that i brought this into my body and that this is the way i was living so my nervous system into several years of working with venita having done lots of years of practices and lived in a monastery so was still at high levels of fight or flight especially if there was a disturbance yeah and the first thing i had to learn how to do was not to judge that yes to relax around that it was happening and that help was available
00:37:53
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yeah
00:37:56
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So I think for many of us listening, it's the opportunity here is to go, hmm, I need to be able to see where my tension patterns are without making it mean there's something bad or wrong about me or life or my parents and just go, we all carry tension.
00:38:09
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It's made of the one fundamental creative power of life itself. yeah And as I meet it with grace, as I meet it the way I would want to be met, It liberates its appearance as tension and becomes creative, nourishing, healing energy yep immediately.
00:38:27
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Beautiful. There you go. Yeah. It's actually really simple. Not easy, but really simple, right? Yeah. Too simple for for when I first started. I was like, no, there's got to be something more complicated. What are you hiding from me?
00:38:39
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what is the What is the real formula for the people that you think are ready? It's like, right's there's nothing else. I don't have anything more for you. Yep. It's just years and years of relaxing. could Because, right, you know this, when you relax the first layer, then there's another layer of tension.
00:38:55
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And then there's another layer of tension. And then there's and then there's a subtle layer, subtle tensions, right? And so you as you go deeper and deeper and open more and more, it's not like it it's not like you come to an end necessarily.
00:39:08
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It's that you come to a deeper be layer that's more subtle but actually is more pervasive. So if you can heal that, it impacts your life even more, right? so Well, and I guarantee there's at least a few of you out there who are listening who would relate to what I'm about to say, which is I've come to realize in the last couple years of my practice, especially this year, and it's growing, that when I encounter a tension pattern encounter attention pattern and choose to work with it,
00:39:37
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it's not just for my own sake. That it doesn't matter where it came from or what the data points were that seemed to trigger it, mostly doesn't matter. But like as I liberate it, because I know I'm connected to everything and everyone in the field of humanity and quantum field, that it's an offering.
00:39:56
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Without me needing to be special, it's an offering for the liberation of anybody who has any similar pain or tension. Beautiful, so beautiful. And that's love, you know, right there. That's big love.
00:40:08
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Yeah. And I can't even claim that it's my love either. Like, it just seems like it's love and it's what love does. And I'm a beneficiary of it is as much as anybody. Oh, beautiful.
00:40:19
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That's right. It's so true. Yeah, it's everywhere. Love is everywhere. It's always already here. Same thing with awareness, clear clarity and awareness. If you knew you were going to croak tomorrow morning, and may you not pass away.
00:40:33
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And none of your writings were available. All of the things you'd ever written or recorded were gone, but you could leave people with three to five key things that you feel like make a big difference. What might those be?
00:40:47
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I mean, I would say learn to breathe consciously. So learn to bring the breath through your entire body, every cell of your body with awareness. I think that is the most important thing.
00:41:00
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That's not a joke. um And then I would say relax as much as you can. Just relax through your whole body. This is ancient. This is not just me. I mean, this is ancient teachings have said this. Relax through your whole body and breathe through your whole body. The Buddha said that. Breathe through your whole body.
00:41:21
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And then once you're able to do that, allow that love from the universe to flow. through you, but also to know that you are that love. Yeah, that's all.
00:41:35
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Yeah. That's all, but it's not easy again, right? Because you you bump into stuff all the time. But yeah. Yeah. it's There's a question I ask every guest And it's based on a quote from Shinryu Suzuki Roshi, who opened the Zen Center of San Francisco in the 60s.
00:41:53
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And he would say, actually first heard Adyashanti say this in a gathering of people. Adyashanti is one of my teachers who's not currently, he's retired, extraordinary teacher and transmitter of these awarenesses.
00:42:07
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In Palo Alto, he said this quote from Suzuki Roshi, death is certain, but time is not. What is the most important thing? And so for you, Vanita, in your life, whether people know about it or not, what's the most important thing?
00:42:23
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Knowing that death is certain and the time is not.
00:42:33
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If it can be spoken. Yeah, I mean, I don't have an answer. I don't know that there's anything more important. What if that's your answer? Yeah. Like really, like really, like what if that, that like something like, i don't want to preform your, your, your view on what's coming through, but like, what if that is it? Like, what if not having an answer yeah is your most important thing right now?
00:42:57
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Maybe so. i think it might be because i mean, here we are and ultimately we know nothing. about what we are, who we are, where we came from, where we're going, if this is even real, right?
00:43:14
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We don't know anything about anything truly deep down about what this is and who we are. And it's beautiful. It's beautiful to have a conversation with you and to share what we know with other people who might benefit, right? it's It's lovely and just look out upon nature and be just amazed.
00:43:33
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So yeah, I don't know. We don't know. In my working with you over the years, for me, definitely that's where I'm getting the idea of how I named this because i continue to learn from you to not project the past or what I think I know,
00:43:51
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And can I come more and more as I release tension I can to any moment, not having a preformed idea, not knowing, opening intentionally to not knowing yeah for me has been more exciting and and um brought me better things into my life than my ego could have ever thought of.
00:44:12
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Absolutely. Same here. Yeah. So amazing I think you did have an answer. It just, you know, and those of you who get asked questions who think you always have to answer in words, what if the answer is not words? What if it's a sneeze? What if it's a laugh? What if it's ah a shake and a wiggle and a deep breath?
00:44:27
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What if that is a response and a very full, clear one? Yeah. Like it. That's good. um There was something else there about.
Sacred Sounds and Nature
00:44:40
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Hmm. I think the most important thing that I'm touched by is what happens when two people show up not having preformed ideas to meet together for any period of time with open hearts and open minds.
00:44:57
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yeah I'm so crazy curious about this. Yeah, it's so great. And to let go of the thoughts and having to like come up with something, but just and look into the mystery together.
00:45:09
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Like what? What's happening here? Right? So like the other, I'll say one little story. The other day I was talking to a young, wonderful young man in his 30s. He was amazing.
00:45:23
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And we were sharing about these subtle, and you know these, the inner sounds, the sacred sounds that when you get very quiet, like in meditation, you can hear these like, right? Very high pitched frequencies, types of sounds.
00:45:38
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And we were together and we were both hearing those in the space because we were both so quiet and silent. And he said, and we talked, i mentioned it and he said, you know, the Northern lights have that sound.
00:45:54
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I know, i didn't know that. And I said, and you know what? So do the dolphins. I swam with dolphins. And I said, and you we're both like, what? I'm like, are you kidding me? It's like, it's the deep sound, the deep frequency that runs it's through the cosmos, right?
00:46:12
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Whether it's the Northern Lights, our inner meditation, or the dolphins, it's like amazing. I'm back on my back in the Angeles Crest Forest. and I'm in and and a non-ordinary experience in a non-ordinary state and i'm deep in it and at a certain moment, I've noticed I'm hearing something.
00:46:33
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And the forest is so still except for the littlest bits of wind and critters. It's so still and we're way up on the crest in the mountain. And I hear this something that, and I can hear it now internally. It's like this, like the entire existence of all universes and all realms, the sound of it like collaborating and moving Oh, yeah. I have no way to express what, like, anything that on earth I've ever heard that sounds like this, but it was like organized like the most intricate symphony, ye but nobody was making it happen.
00:47:10
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That's amazing. Yep. And that's what happens when we get really quiet, when we are able to clear through the body, the subtle energy field, and open up to that awareness that we're talking about, that still, that quiet, silent space that really has everything in it, all the sound in it.
00:47:30
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ah Beautiful.
00:47:34
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On a practical level, are there any things that might come through you for people that are listening? they're like, you know, I want, because Vanita is not actually available. She's booked up. Like you can't coach with Vanita at this moment.
00:47:46
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And there's no courses or workshops available at this moment. And some of you might be like, man, I want to work with somebody like that. Like, how do I recognize them? How do I... How do I spot, I mean, I'm working with somebody who's the fit for my next stage of growth. And maybe I don't have yet the quietness of mind reliably to enter the same way of knowing that you're talking about.
00:48:09
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What things might I look for? Yeah, that's good. So you have some ideas, I'm sure, Scott, too. I did want to mention, you know, Terry O'Fallon Stages ah community, and they have workshops and they do the assessments there.
00:48:25
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i She's, I consider her dear friend of mine and colleague. And she can, anybody who's interested in interested in stages development is the place to go.
00:48:36
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And then Jeff Fitch is the other, one of my colleagues from Pacific Integral. And he and his partner, Abigail, still offer the GTC program. So anybody who wants a longer sort of dive deep dive into relational fields kind of a thing.
00:48:55
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um That's the place to go for them. And listeners, I look forward to having both those people, Terry and Jeff on the podcast, God willing. So you'll get to hear from them directly. But we'll put those links, especially to be able, if you're called to get a stages assessment, there's a normal assessment that is very, very deep. And then there's one that's specifically geared towards leadership. So some of you might want to do this through your companies and and have the company ah sort out you getting the assessment as part of your development or the development of your team.
00:49:27
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The whole team can get this done and see the dynamics of the team and then better organize the team in terms of strengths and challenges with this information. And it's all kept confidential. You wouldn't know what your specific team members responded with.
00:49:43
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You'd be given general awareness of it, but nobody's going to be outed so that they can be done totally confidentially. And that is of utmost importance. Yeah, great.
00:49:54
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yeah
00:49:57
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I'm curious.
00:50:04
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We've talked about releasing tension. We've talked about breath.
Play and Personal Development
00:50:09
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What about play? o Well, you tell me about it.
00:50:14
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How does this happen for you with some of these practices? I've heard in different places over the years that I've studied the importance of play. And one of the definitions I've liked is giving and taking with freely with no attachment to the result.
00:50:29
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or giving and receiving freely with no attachment to the result. That can happen so many ways. And that wherever we're suffering, we're not playing. And when wherever we're playing, we're not suffering, even if something's difficult.
00:50:42
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I like that. i love that. Yeah? Yeah, yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah, I mean, I have to say, you know, that's something I'm still, um well, um i I play. I mean, I do play.
00:50:54
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um I like to play video games. I don't know if you knew that. Really? Yeah. What kind of video games? Well, my favorite is Fortnite. I'm sure people know some people know about Fortnite. But it's a super fun. I just love it. But you you have to kill people. So it's like these opposites.
00:51:12
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With my work, it's so great. and it's just fun. It's a playful game. and It's pretty. Um, I like to ride my bike and take my dog to the park and, you know, all kinds of different things like that. So when I got to the gym and, you know, um, play in the garden a little bit and things like that.
00:51:31
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Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, but I was going to say that when I was a kid, I didn't get to play. So I had to grow up really fast and I didn't, you know, I missed that.
00:51:42
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So that's something that, and this kind of, last part of my life, that's kind of one of my goals is just to be really get to play, learn how to play, be free, be childlike.
00:51:57
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Yeah, it's a wonderful thing for everybody. So yeah I have to say I'm not as advanced in that area as some people are. I think it's lovely to know that we can be advanced in some areas and really honor that. And we can have other areas that we we can increase our choice to grow.
00:52:14
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That's right. Exactly. Always always something grow, someplace to grow. One of the last things I was curious about coming into this conversation with you is there's a lot of talk and I've studied numerous systems or ways of expressing and teaching this over the years.
00:52:32
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What can be called loosely manifestation or the technologies of of attraction.
Manifestation and Intentions
00:52:40
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so How you view holding, manifesting something, like bringing something into one's life for oneself or others, and simply letting the field bring whatever it brings.
00:52:53
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Do you have any feeling about that in your own life? That's that's really a big deal. i I work with people on that all the time. It's really super fun because it really works. And it's, you know, it's amazing how how it works. But anyway, what would I say?
00:53:11
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Again, I would say, um we i wanted to bring this up anyway, it was grabbing, grass grasping and avoiding. And so that's one thing that we have to work with if we're we're growing and we're growing and we're growing, trying to open up the awareness is where do I have it i get attached to something. i want to hold on to it. I want to,
00:53:38
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You know, I am fixated on it. Every time that happens, there's a way that that thing becomes elusive. That thing, right? It does. It's it's like, and then you lose your own after you're grasping.
00:53:53
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I'm grasping, I'm not aware of everything else that's going on. I'm focused on that thing. So I'm going to not perceive other information that's going to be useful for me for whatever is wanting, I want to have
00:54:09
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It's also my own limited mind thinks this is this is the thing. This is the treat. This is the, right? But my own mind is limited. My own individual self idea is limited.
00:54:21
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So if I can release that and not grasp onto to it, that's that's one key. And then avoidance, like going away from things I don't like or things I'm afraid of or whatever like that, you know, is also,
00:54:36
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something to be watching for. So if I can just open, again, relax and open, and then put my attention into my soul, my heart.
00:54:48
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What's my heart's desire? What feel brings me joy? what um What do I feel moved towards? And then let go of all the details about it.
00:55:04
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That's the key. is is letting go a grasping, letting go avoiding, letting go of thinking I know what the details are, hold the intention in my heart, and then listen and perceive into the field of awareness as much as possible, and be ready so that when something feels like a yes, I follow it.
00:55:29
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And it's just one step. And I don't know five steps down the road. I don't know, you know, five years down the road. I just know right now. And then that happens. And then the next thing shows itself. And the next thing, and pretty soon I'm living my flow with joy and with, you know, with abundance.
00:55:47
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Is that your experience too? It is. It is. And I've learned, you know, from the different teachers of this work, not to do what they call outlining. By outlining, that would mean like,
00:56:00
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Like, for example, I've taken on a new practice. I'm experimenting as I'm developing a new prosperity workshop series and experimenting with some older school stuff where you write down your desires every morning and you be with them and you visualize it as already so.
00:56:15
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So one of the things on my list concretely is a gracious home where there's plenty of room for my production studio. There's plenty of room for me and a partner who's still nameless at the moment.
00:56:29
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I'm not focusing on is it a ranch or a two-story. I'm not focusing on what the doorknobs necessarily look like, but how I want to feel walking around this space and bringing other people around this space and then letting the universe bring in the details of is it in LA? Is it in Boulder, Colorado? Is it in Portugal?
00:56:48
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Yes, that's right. I like that. How do I want to feel? How does it feel to be having this experience? Yeah. How does it feel? Tell me how this sounds if I'm following you.
00:56:59
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if i If I was just to come off of this podcast right now, I might say, okay, the difference between manifestation and coming into harmony with what is, if I've got any tension about the thing I'm thinking about or wanting to attend to this first, rather than try and manifest something on top of it to meet the tension by softening my body breathing into it letting go on the exhale staying as i relax in the body until it releases and then freshly once it releases then seeing what i'm interested in perfect very yes exactly right that's the thing good because i feel like i have and maybe you have listeners you
00:57:41
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unwittingly unconsciously tried to use manifestation techniques to avoid a difficult feeling yeah not because that thing being manifested was really a good idea for ourselves and others yep exactly and the other issue with that is that if i it's like i can say i want a new car i want all these different things but that's not what we're talking about We're coming back to the experience.
00:58:10
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and know What's the experience I want to have in life? Sense of freedom, peace, love, right? We come back to those. And so then it's like, well, it may not be.
00:58:21
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Maybe a house would be too burdensome, maybe. you know So it's like, that's not, those aren't it. it's It's the experience I want to have, the feeling, like you said. i think It's important.
00:58:34
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And for me, it's it's not sufficient that the feeling is just for me. whether it's the house or more more qualified students in my courses or whatever it is, listeners for this podcast, you know subscribing, how will this benefit others? How can this benefit others? I can see myself bringing people to gatherings at the home who are smiling and joyful to have been there and spreading that joy wherever they go. Or I can imagine as people choose to subscribe and share this podcast, other people finding out
00:59:06
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ways to do inner work that are more efficient and that really support them. So when my desires are bigger than just myself, I notice they happen more quickly and there's a deeper experience of partnering with that universal force you're describing.
00:59:23
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Absolutely right. That's true. And when you're when awareness is big enough, when you when you can perceive or sense into the whole planet,
00:59:34
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with all the people in all the different countries and going through all the different experiences are going through painful ones, scary ones, joyful ones, all the sentience, all the life that's here, right?
00:59:47
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You, there's a way that that compassion for everything just grows. And there's a way that you can perceive what is needed.
01:00:02
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for humanity right now from you that you have to offer, right? From your particular experience and skill and history. And then it ah that's when the flow really happens because like you're saying, it's all we're all connected, we're all impacting each other.
01:00:21
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And love, I mean, coming back to that love for me, it's all of us. Yeah.
01:00:29
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Thank you so, so much.
01:00:33
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You're so welcome. It's my pleasure. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for who you are.
01:00:39
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o Yeah. Thank you for all that you give, Scott.
01:00:46
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Thank you for seeing me. Thank you for the all the countless hours of inner work you've done that nobody will ever know about that allowed you to be be the person through whom support is coming for so many people.
01:01:01
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Benita works with so many leaders and of leaders and teachers of teachers, inflection points really. And doesn't, maybe she will be one day, but doesn't need to be on the world stage as big name because she's influencing so strongly through her own development, your own development.
01:01:18
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so many lives by degree and no value could be put on that. It's priceless. Well, I'm grateful. I'm grateful for, for all the people that I've been entrusted with their hearts and in their beings and um I'm so fortunate.
01:01:39
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So thank you.
01:01:42
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Well, we thank you listeners for being with us. I really encourage you to listen to this more than once. There's a lot of nuggets here and particularly maybe go back and write down the simple process with dissolving subtle impressions and start to practice it.
01:01:57
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If you need more further help, you could reach out to me through the show notes. And if I've got space, I can work with you or refer you out. You've heard some other names of some great practitioners.
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We'll find you somebody. We'll find you somebody, but the key is to practice and it's simpler and easier than the mind makes it up. It really is possible. And you serve all of us by meeting these subtle impressions and dissolving them with love.
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So thank you in advance for your practices.
01:02:27
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right, with that, we love you very much, and we'll see you in the next episode. One of the best things you can do is subscribe and forward this on to people you care about, and we'll see you soon in the choice to grow.
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Thanks for listening. Can't wait to join you in the next episode.