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Britney's "Oops!" Turns 25 (with DJ John Michael)
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Katy Perry and Gayle King might have gone to space for 11 minutes but DJ John Michael and I are taking you to Mars for a whole hour as we revisit Britney's "Oops!...I Did It Again" album for it's 25th anniversary! Join us as we talk about classics like the title track and "Stronjger," deep cuts like "Heart" and "Walk On By" and the remixes joining the reissue in May. Naturally we go down some tangents including mentions of Madonna, Mariah Carey, Hex Hector, Mac Quayle, Toni Braxton and more.
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Anticipation for New Music Releases
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Speaking of Oh My Lord, the Lord released her little snippet today of a new song. Are we just jumping in? We're just jumping in. We're diving right in. and We're diving diving right in today. ah It sounds phenomenal.
00:00:22
Speaker
It sounds really fun. I'm excited. i mean, i the world, yes, is ready for more Lord. So ready for Lord. The Lord is coming. so am I. and so am i Oh my God. Can you imagine if this is what they meant the whole time?
00:00:35
Speaker
The whole time? Like, this is like, oh my gosh. that that's Everybody just got it wrong. Everyone got it wrong. They were like, it's actually Ella. Ella's the Lord. Turns out, watch her new album. It's going to be called The Rapture.
00:00:47
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ah That would be fucking amazing. Please. need that. They would lose their goddamn
2023: A Year of Musical Abundance
00:00:55
Speaker
minds. No, and I was thinking as she was as she announced her new single today, i was like, God, like this year is like overwhelming with new releases. It's kind of crazy.
00:01:05
Speaker
And I'm telling you, and it's always during the craziest years otherwise, like yeah politically, just societal, like in the world. Yeah, it's
Mariah Carey's Remix Surprise and Speculation
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nuts. I mean, and then Mariah Carey also announcing Don't Forget About Us Remix.
00:01:19
Speaker
By this time this episode's out, it'll be out, so we won't have it reviewed, but... Right, I had no idea that was even happening. Yeah, right. yeah Just randomly? Randomly. And when so when I first, I like heard the little snippet, like really quietly because I was at work. So I just like held it up to my ear and noticed that the instrumental has actually been changed.
00:01:37
Speaker
So I'm like very curious. I'm curious if it's like a collab, like with another artist or if it's like a producer remix or like both. and I don't know. i'm I'm hoping it's with another artist.
00:01:49
Speaker
and right So who would that be? Right. And that's where it's like, like people, because like, okay, who could it be? Who would, who do we think it is? I mean, it's, but again, by the time this is out Right, right, right. We'll know. We'll know, but it's, it's, I don't think it's Ariana. And obviously, you know, she's done a duet with her and Money Long.
00:02:07
Speaker
Right. i don't think it's them. and It's Brandy she's already worked with. Right. kind of think, I don't even know. And it's such a specific song to remix too. Right. Do you think it's going to be a male artist or a female artist? Well, that was my next thing is that I think it might actually be a male artist.
00:02:23
Speaker
Oh my God. who would that be? I have no idea. I'm like completely drawing a blank. Watch it just be a Chapel Rhone. It's going to be like Shawn Mendes. we'll be like, what? Oh my gosh. And that's what their like photos were. Right, right, right. I got Instagram this whole time. would kind of be into that though, just to see what it's like.
00:02:41
Speaker
I would, truly, I feel like Mariah is, in his it's time for her, i or not, I shouldn't say it's time, but like, I would say it's, I would love to see her collaborate with like a non R&B hip hop artist just to see what that would be like.
00:02:54
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Yeah. yeah I mean, look, at my my, my dream above all dreams would be like throw Mariah Carey and Max Martin in a room. Let's see what happens. Don't tease me with a good time. i just don't even know. Like, I don't even allow myself to think about it very often. It, It kind of crazy that it hasn't happened yet. Right.
Mariah Carey's Artistic Independence and Legacy
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with like the rainbow album and max kind of being like at his first peak with like the teen pop of it all right and that album of hers really kind of trying to hone in on that trend It would have made perfect sense. but Totally.
00:03:32
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, not that she has anything to prove at this point and not that she can't work with whoever she wants to work with. And I think that she's totally like, you know, listening to the Caution album when it came out, which, oh God, it's too many years. It's like seven years ago now.
00:03:45
Speaker
It was yesterday. It was yesterday. was yesterday. What is time? As Mariah would say, what is time? Yeah. But it's like, if that was like her most recent effort and like she still wants to stay obviously very much in her R&B bag, which is great and I love it.
00:04:00
Speaker
I don't know. Like I feel like she could if she wanted to. And the fact that she hasn't probably says more. Right. Yeah. Yeah. you know but it's like there's a laundry list get any of the swedish people get ilia in there get savanne get any of them in there like and i was gonna say like especially ilia because i feel like ilia definitely sent tends to lean more rnb i mean he does a lot of work with ariana right um what else what else did he do i think he ilia did uh with max i think
Unexpected Collaborations and Vocal Pairings
00:04:27
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did motivation by normani um what did ilia work on recently
00:04:32
Speaker
Oh, it was the new Ed Sheeran song. Yes. That's what it was. Which is really good. it is really good. It's yeah really good. Like, it's not – I don't think it's going to get the shape of you, like, you know, level of success. But it's like – I don't know. The thing that's so crazy about Ed is that when I just listen to his music, I'm like, I can't believe that that's what you look like. And I'm not even being shady. Like, and I don't know. There's absolutely not no shade about his looks whatsoever. But it's like his voice is just so, like – God, I don't even know. You know what?
00:05:01
Speaker
I bet you he vocally would probably sound really good with Mariah. Oh, I bet he would. Oh, my God. Yeah. You know? oh my God. Ed Sheeran remix. Don't forget about us. Coming out Friday. Lambs, don't hate me for even suggesting that. i don't want to hear it from the Lambs, really. No. Yeah. Lamily, settle down.
00:05:16
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Settle down. Because, I mean, if you think about it, you have to be of somewhat vocal talent to go into any type of studio with Mariah Carey. Oh, absolutely. And that's what I'm trying... That's why I'm trying to think of, like, who is a male artist right now?
00:05:29
Speaker
Like, if I had a wish list... Like M&EK. Yeah, that'd be great. Put them together. I think they would make something incredible. Yeah. I'm ready. i'm I would love like a cunty song from Mariah.
00:05:43
Speaker
Oh God, yes. I know we've talked before about wanting her to do a dance album. But like, I mean, she would absolutely slay it. And M&EK would be perfect for that type of project.
00:05:54
Speaker
Because like, I love his work with Little Mix and Jade and Madonna. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Living for Love. Living for Love. And, oh my gosh, flashing back to putting music onto my phone. Yeah. One of the songs that I put on my phone was the demo version of Hold Tight that features M&EK on backing vocals.
00:06:15
Speaker
It's hands, oh my god, miles better miles than the than the album version. I don't know. Yes. I mean, I get it. I think they're one of the reasons why she decided to opt to change it was because of the leak. Totally.
00:06:29
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And I get that. But growing up is realizing that the demo version, specifically, it was labeled as demo number five. so So demo number five is better than the album version.
00:06:42
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Unravel Heart. It's that one and Wash All Over Me. Those two demos specifically. Oh my god. Yeah. Because Wash All Over Me was originally ah dance song, right? Correct. And then they turned it into a ballad.
00:06:54
Speaker
Right. is that Is that correct? I'm like, you went the wrong way. You're supposed to do the other order. right Yeah. yeah that's always ah That's always an interesting choice when People do that. Yeah.
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But here we are Here we are. It's okay. It's okay. And and in speaking of Mariah, I was speaking with when I had shared that she was ah posting the remix.
00:07:16
Speaker
One of my followers was mentioning that there was a Daydream 30 coming out, which I was like, is i was like is that confirmed? i don't think I ever heard this. don't think I have either. But it would make sense.
00:07:27
Speaker
It would make sense. And I'm here for that. I mean, and I'm sorry, like, to for all of the other pop girls or just any artists in general who are obviously clearly listening to the pod, if you want a really good blueprint on how to handle your masters, your catalog, and how to get all of your stuff, if you are an artist of longevity,
00:07:48
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From, you know, before streaming to now and see what it's like to really pay attention to your catalog. Mariah carries the blueprint because I'm sorry. Oh, she is. Absolutely. nobody Nobody is handling their back catalog like she is right now.
00:08:00
Speaker
When she announced the MC30 just kind of anniversary of it all. And I mean, that year alone getting pretty much all of the single EPs that she released throughout the 90s and the early two thousand s Right.
00:08:15
Speaker
that That in and of itself, I was like, this is what I've been wanting for so long. like i Just so random acapellas for album tracks that I would never have imagined I would ever hear. And I'm like, God, thank you, girl.
00:08:27
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Unreleased tracks. I mean. even just doing the rarities. Yeah. Yeah. Even just that. Like, do you know how, like, I would kill for a Cher rarities, for a Madonna rarities, for like, line them up.
00:08:41
Speaker
Yeah. I was, shout out to one of my followers, James Pascucci. ah He and I were talking about Madonna ad nauseum yesterday for a little bit. And which I was like, I was like, oh my gosh, you're speaking my love language right now.
00:08:56
Speaker
And we were just talking about how, you know, how we feel that she's super underrated and she's obviously the blueprint and yada, yada, yada. And then we started talking about like what what our favorite Madonna songs are. Where was I going with this ahead of point?
00:09:07
Speaker
You had brought up, what did you just say? You mentioned- Back catalog. Back catalog. The rarities. The rarities. Oh, oh yes, see the rarities. And so i that triggered in my brain that I had mentioned to him, because we were obviously talking about Ray of Light. and And I said, you know, there was supposed to be a remix album called Veronica Electronica.
00:09:29
Speaker
And I was like, that got scrapped for whatever reason. and I was like, I'm dying to hear if anything was created for it specifically for that project and or any new songs that Because allegedly she did some tracks with Sasha, which what I would have fucking died.
00:09:49
Speaker
That's right up your alley. That's up my alley. For those that don't know who Sasha is, Sasha is like an electronica. He does trance, breakbeat, and specifically like in the late ninety s and early 2000s, his work.
00:10:03
Speaker
I'm a huge fan. he He did the Ray of Light remix that Madonna performed on the Celebration Tour. And um he but apparently has a co-production credit on YouSexua, the song YouSexua. Oh, I didn't even realize that. Which, yeah, when I saw that, i was like I was like, did he actually work on it? Or is this one of those moments where...
00:10:24
Speaker
it sounds similar to work of his though that they just gave him a credit you know how they do that sometimes yeah i feel like that usually like there's usually like more news around stuff like that when it happens especially around right twigs right yeah so oh i wonder now i'm gonna have to ask i'm gonna see if i can ask my label rep and see if they could find out right yeah can you tell give us the dirt on that and like really yeah i had no idea Yeah. So I was just like, but it's also one of those songs too. I mean, much like a lot of music these days where there's like maybe four or five producers on it. So that's why, that's why I'm like, maybe he did get a pass at it and added some things here and there.
00:10:59
Speaker
ah But I mean, either way, I It's pretty dope though. Yeah. Yeah. and He's still like in the, in the moment working on things like that. Yeah, me too, because I have not listened to much of his newer stuff, but it made me want to now go back and revisit.
00:11:15
Speaker
it made me revisit his older work. Correct. And then it made me want to start diving into his newer stuff too, just to see. Right. See what he's got. I mean, an icon, an icon, a legend. a legend baby but speaking of reissues and anniversaries there is an album celebrating a 25th anniversary can't tell you that hurts hurts that really hurts a little bit it really feels like someone smacked me right in the face and said and said oops oops i did it again and here we are
00:11:50
Speaker
And here we are with, I like what, like it's crazy because I remember when the music video premiered on TRL. I will never, i have such a very, and I might've talked about this on the pod before. I have such a very specific core memory of being with my friend Damien in my parents' house at the family computer, which is the only computer we had at the time in the living room waiting for,
00:12:14
Speaker
Britney Spears Stronger.mp3 to download from LimeWire. my God. We had never heard any of it before. And I just remember downloading it, pressing play and hearing that first like, by and I was like, oh my God, life is different.
00:12:30
Speaker
Life is like life just different. Life is different. I was personally in that moment never harder, never never more metal and more rock and roll when correct when I heard that foghorn.
00:12:42
Speaker
Yes. I was like, i was like i like to rock out. Yeah. This is what death metal is. that it this is It really was. Yeah. yeah Yeah. it's It's crazy because, i mean, and feel like we blinked and 25 years have gone by.
00:12:57
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It definitely does feel like that. Because even in my brain sometimes, I feel like when people talk about new artists, I'm like, oh, like Britney Spears. That new artist, Christina Aguilera?
00:13:10
Speaker
that knew Yeah, exactly. And I'm just kind of like, it's crazy. I don't i don't know. like It's just bizarre. like And maybe a part of it is growing up in this internet age where we are so connected and everything just feels like time-related.
00:13:26
Speaker
it moves, but it doesn't at the same time. Yes. And I think that... also in the music industry or just with music in general, like I feel like it, it's always going to feel more monumental for people pre streaming versus streaming yeah because there was the physicality of it all where it's like, you know, you're waiting for the album to, to come out. You're going there to buy it. You're taking it to your car. You're taking it, you know, your CD Walkman, whatever it was.
00:13:53
Speaker
Like there was a ah certain like ritual about buying new music. And now, I feel like when we see things where it's like, okay, so I just got an email from one of our record label reps talking about um album long leads, they call them, like, you know, what's coming out for the rest of the year, and then also a list of album anniversaries on whatever the dates were.
00:14:12
Speaker
yeah And I was seeing, and I saw one and it was just like one year anniversary. And I'm like, okay guys. Okay. yeah All right. of that We don't need to do that. Like that's, that's, and I understand. And I think that that's the industry's response to the streaming era because like 25 years from physical to now feels like a long time, like 25 years for like, I don't know, Billie Eilish's first album. Will it feel that, will it have that same heaviness to it?
00:14:39
Speaker
Right, sure. That's a good question. You know, like, and I think that that's what the industry is sort of like fumbling around trying to figure out. And that's why we get five year album anniversaries with like an extra song or a different artwork or whatever. And I think they're trying to figure that all out because it's just, it's, it's a very odd thing.
00:14:55
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's nuts that it's nuts that it's been this long already. Right. And it's, it's also because like when I'm thinking about it now in real time, like, so let's say 25 years from Billie Eilish's first album, what are you going to do record company?
00:15:11
Speaker
Are you going to put it out on vinyl again? Right. Yeah. like its it That's a good question. Is it another CD? Like, how do you, how do you commemorate the streaming era? Well, will CDs make a comeback the way that vinyls make comeback? it come you know Vinyls are like huge right now. Huge. and but like I think it's the biggest part of the physical media market right now.
00:15:31
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And you know maybe because it does tie in with that nostalgia of it all, it being – because vinyls were obviously how people listened to music back in the – before 90s. Right, right.
00:15:45
Speaker
So maybe, i don't know, maybe CDs will make a comeback. I know that they try to make cassette tapes a thing, but that's... Well, I mean, it's it's kind of a thing. I think it's like the second biggest market, I want to say, that it is having a moment.
00:15:57
Speaker
Really? Yeah, because there's like this Urban Outfitters like aesthetic thing where they're selling these like Walkmans and all of a sudden like all of the you know Gen Z, Gen X are sort of buying tape Walkmans again, which is crazy to me. But, you know, out of every medium, vinyl would be my obviously preferred. Like CDs are great too for the quality, but tape was always like, it's fun, but it's definitely not the best quality media.
00:16:22
Speaker
Right, right. yeah Exactly. Yeah. did you Did you happen to see the random, it's super random, but I was reading an an interview this week with Tracy Chapman because it's, I think, the 35th anniversary of her album or 30th anniversary. I don't know. It was something crazy like that. it was released yesterday. im Right, right. And I think theyre they're reissuing it on vinyl because it hasn't been in press for a long time or whatever. And they were asking her if she still listens to new music. And she was like, yes, she goes, but I do not use streaming media. She goes, so when I do want to listen to streaming, when I want to listen to music, she goes, I do go out to find artists, but I will go to a store. I will dig and I will try to find something that's interesting to me and I will buy it and take it home.
00:16:59
Speaker
Yeah. I'm like, you know what? I love that. I love that too. And i think that she had mentioned because that's how artists really get paid physical sales. Yes. And, and, and so I was like, yeah, that's, that's really cool that she does that and supports it.
00:17:14
Speaker
It streaming. I mean, it's, it's great that we have all this accessibility on right to our phones and that we can just, you know, ah With a couple clicks, listen to almost whatever we want. But at the same time, as you mentioned earlier, the ritual of releasing new new music is not there anymore. I was kind of talking about this today with my coworkers where I was just mentioning like, I was like, you have no idea what it was like to be watching. Cause she had mentioned, she had asked me a question about MTV And I was like, you have no idea what it was like to have to like sit there and just kind of wait, hoping that the music video that you wanted to see would come on. Yes.
00:17:53
Speaker
Because I was like, it wasn't like we had YouTube or Vivo or whatever. None of it. Where we could just like kind of go and access it whenever we want. It would be on rotation. And I was like, it would just be kind of like fingers crossed. And well and I would wait hours as a kid waiting for Hans and Zumbop to come on.
00:18:10
Speaker
Well, an hour. I'm just going to bypass that completely. You and my friend Jess, she had such a thing for Taylor Hanson. Oh my God. Back off Jess. Right. um but i But then I also remember having to wait even longer because MTV would only play certain music videos after 10 p.m.
00:18:29
Speaker
Like shares, Madonna, Justify My Love, shares If I Could Turn Back Time. Do you remember, I don't know if this might be a little niche. you remember Sam Kinison's Wild Thing?
00:18:41
Speaker
So Sam, he was a- That sounds familiar. It's 80s music. He was in, he was a very sort of, I don't even want to say Andrew Dice Clay, but he was like very sort of raunchy comedian in the 80s.
00:18:52
Speaker
He very famously was either married to or dated this ah model slash actress named Tawny Kattan. I was, okay, I was just to was it Tawny Kattan? Yes, yes, who very famously was in the White Snake videos and yada, yada, yada. So anyway- So he had put out, I think it was one album, and he got a bunch of like very big like heavy metal guys from that time, members of Bon Jovi or whoever, Motley Crue, Yadda Yadda, Nikki Sixx from Motley Crue was there.
00:19:17
Speaker
And they sort of like made this album. I think it was sort of a goof, but his cover of Wild Thing actually did some numbers and was like a moderate hit for him. Anyway, in the video, it was pretty much this like round stage that Tawny Katayan was sort of scantily dressed on.
00:19:33
Speaker
And she's literally just on there running around, like like just rolling around on the floor while it's surrounded by all of these rocker men who are just like yelling and just like cheering at her and catcalling her. And i'm like, wow, this really...
00:19:45
Speaker
Through 2025 eyes, not great. Not great, guys. Not great. Really not great. But at the moment, that that was another video that they would play very late at night. Oh, my gosh. And nowadays, I mean, like, ah we see at any, oh just about anything.
00:20:01
Speaker
Anything. Anywhere. Right. Nothing kind of shocks me anymore. no Which which kind of kind of makes me sad in a way, but, like, whatever. Like, I'm also, like, I'm here for, like, the liberation of it all. but Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:20:11
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, i mean, Brittany had some raunchy videos. I mean, and i will time I will never forget them making a big deal out of her red cat suit, which if you look at now from the oops video is nothing.
00:20:24
Speaker
it's not It's nothing. It's nothing. Fully covered, yeah. Like, fully, fully covered. Well, I mean, like, you know, one of the controversies with her, like, starting into her career, I mean, it started with the Sometimes video from Baby One More Time, but, like, you know, the allegations of breast implants and things like that. So, I mean, as she, for whatever reason, she's always been this, like, lightning rod for, like, how dare a woman age sometimes.
00:20:48
Speaker
ah type of thing. Right. And so like, ah obviously going into Oops, I Did It Again, her kind of growing up before our eyes because she was what, 18-ish when this album came out Absolutely. Crazy to say out loud. I cannot tell you that I cannot fathom at 45 years old with the level of success that I've had in my career, imagine even having what I have now at 18 feels so incredibly unmanageable.
00:21:14
Speaker
Crazy. So the idea that you and then I mean, really, now knowing what we know now that you really didn't have a great infrastructure or just great people around you to help you like that's so dangerous.
00:21:26
Speaker
Right. Yeah. like theyre Like literally everyone was saying yes. Everyone was. Everyone's on the payroll. On the payroll. Exactly. And it was all about like, how do we make money? How do we make money from her? I'm pulling up the Oops, I Did It Again track list because i feel like we should kind of go through the songs. Absolutely. And then we can talk about what's going to be in the reissue.
00:21:47
Speaker
Oh, you heard it here first, folks. i Actually, you probably already heard it. because i was going to say, by the time this is out. that's Yeah, you'll you'll you'll hear a little announcement. um But, I mean, this album, we we see, you know, Max Martin returns, and he produces a huge bulk of this album.
00:22:03
Speaker
um Also with Ramey Yawker. i he just goes by ramey yakub but yeah i think he just goes by ramey now um and then we also had a ah track produced by rodney jerkins we had mutt lang on the album um we also had larry the larry uh rock campbell the famous larry rock campbell It's so crazy. Like there's ah like when you go through like a lot of these like Britneys and Christina's and even Backstreet Boys and anding although all the people that were like super like Swedish music at that time, they have the most random people in their songwriting credits.
00:22:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. like And another. Yeah. We have a Diane Warren song on this album. It's nuts. And allegedly, i don't know if you've ever heard this, allegedly that song was a contender for a single off of this album, When Your Eyes Say It.
00:22:52
Speaker
I mean, usually Diane Warren, especially at that time, like this is 2000, like she's coming off of My Heart Will Go On. Yeah. You know, she's coming off of what is it? There You'll Be with Faith Hill.
00:23:02
Speaker
Right. Like these are God. Right. These are huge ballads and huge. I don't want I don't want to miss a thing. This has to be around that time, too. Like these are Diane Warren songs. So I get it. I see why the label would want to put their money on them. Yeah.
00:23:14
Speaker
And I also think, where are you now? one I'm forgetting which one. ah like it was either where are you now or when your eyes say it. One of them allegedly even had a music video made for it. It was, yeah.
00:23:26
Speaker
And so if that's true, i don't I've never, i' seen the rumor go online a million times, but I've never really heard like where the source came from. So I'm not sure who or what or why, but right who knows? Who knows? No, it really is crazy because you even got the a cover of You Got It All from the Jets from the 80s.
00:23:50
Speaker
Yes. which ok One of my favorites. Fun fact about this cover. It was originally recorded for Baby One More Time. Mm-hmm. And i want to say that on like the early, early Baby One More Time album, ah like they used to do like, what were they called? Like test test presses or whatever, where it would be like early album samplers. Oh, like an album advance.
00:24:14
Speaker
Yeah, so it would be like maybe six tracks, seven tracks. And I believe that was on the early early ones. And I want to say, I feel like it was also, it might have actually made it onto like a European edition pressing or something. or Because I know I have it somewhere as like an import single or something that it was a bonus track from that era. But yeah, it...
00:24:37
Speaker
that it ended up here on this album is very strange, but. Yeah, yeah, I know. and it's And it's clear, I remember when this album came out, I remember the time between from the bottom of my broken heart to the release of Oops, I Did It Again as a teenager felt like an eternity.
00:24:57
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And in actuality, it was like, what, maybe nine months? Maybe. Maybe. I was going to say, because like because this song came out, Oops I Did It Again came out, I want to say, the single came out, what, April or May?
00:25:11
Speaker
April 11th, 2000. And here we go. So literally almost to the day of this podcast. Almost to the day. So it's like, and then the album came out a month later. So yeah, yeah like...
00:25:24
Speaker
I mean, they had her working. They really did. had her working. But I actually do kind of feel like, speaking to what you were just saying, like um I feel like they would get these people to sort of go to the studios in Stockholm or wherever they were recording, record so much music, yeah and then hold on to it and be like, okay, some on this album, some on this album, some here, a B-side single or whatever, like and it was just ready to go. Right, yeah. Because there's a lot of that in this era where like tracks get moved around, especially with Britney, too, because like,
00:25:53
Speaker
radar ended up on circus somehow too even though it was on blackout and right yeah be and and it has to be because there there must be especially as we get more into ah the the more like uh what am i saying contemporary days like current day like producers are like strong get have gotten stronger and stronger have made it more and more of a name for themselves right So I'm almost positive that there had to have been contracts where it's like, if we produce this song, this has to be a single right type of thing. And I think that that's what happened with Radar.
00:26:27
Speaker
And because of, you know, the breakdown and everything that they decided to move on to Circus. And then that's probably why they tacked it on as a bonus track. Right. But yeah. So it makes me wonder too. and And I'm sure that maybe with this as well, with Max Martin being involved, I'm sure that that's where like, they were like, okay, these songs...
00:26:43
Speaker
for sure will be singles. Right. You know, what always surprised me was the fact that lucky was the second single. I thought, I always thought for sure when the album came out, because again, for those listening, this is during a time where you only got one single before the album was released. Right.
00:27:02
Speaker
And then there, that depending on the success of that single and depending on on the success of that album, you would get two to three, maybe even four or more singles additionally. And so when the album came out, Oops I Did It Again was the first single.
00:27:15
Speaker
And I remember listening to it and i was like, oh, Stronger's absolutely going to be the second single on the album. Right. I was like, Stronger is absolutely it. So then when they announced that Lucky was the second single, I was like, I i was gagged a little bit.
00:27:28
Speaker
I was like, Lucky?
00:27:31
Speaker
Well, and it's funny because like you have the single Oops in April, you have the album in May, and then you don't have anything again until, and then you get August, November. You get Lucky and Stronger, August, November. And then Don't Let Me Be the Last to Know was March, 2001.
00:27:46
Speaker
Oh my God. And I miss that. right I kind of miss that. I miss yeah letting songs have their time. And doing the music, the single, then the music video, then the remixes, then the whatever.
00:28:01
Speaker
Yeah. Cause you know, it kind of off topic, but I, something that I was thinking about today was I was looking scrolling through Instagram and And, you know, Jade is promoting her new single, Fuck You For Now.
00:28:13
Speaker
And she does all of these cute little like social media clips for all of her songs that she's been promoting. And I get it. I get that that's the time that we live in now. But as I'm looking at these like social media clips, I was like, God, I wish the budget was like not in social media posts. And I wish it was in like a really cunty music video. Right. Yeah. I mean, the music video for Funky for Now is fine. It's good.
00:28:36
Speaker
But it's not like... It's like if you had delegated more of a budget to that, yeah we would have had an even better video. And probably like a remix EP. And like, who knows? Like maybe other performers. I don't know. I just feel like delegating money to social media, like I get it. But at the same time, I don't because it's so...
00:28:56
Speaker
I'll tell you, that's the ah the only thing that the record labels are interested in right now is TikTok and social. ah Change it. It really know really Fix it And that's why every time that every time it comes down, and they're just like, oh, they're going to do a TikTok ban in America. And I'm just like, let it happen. like Let it happen. Exactly. Like something. Like I just something has to change. And I feel like the industry needs like a ah crater to hit it to sort of be like, hey.
00:29:21
Speaker
Right. You know, like, let's, let's, let's, because I mean, again, I, I, I have a hard time believing that some of the stuff that's going to be released in the streaming era is going to be easy to market a second time years from now, once the catalog departments get it, because it's,
00:29:38
Speaker
When you don't have that physicality and you don't have that thing around it, like it's, I feel like it's not as dear. Right. You know, there's a reason why we feel the way that we do about some of this stuff is that I feel like there's a certain, i don't know. It's, it's, it's every sense.
00:29:52
Speaker
Yeah. Cause again, it's, it's, it's, there's moments tied to it. Like when you, right when you're laying in bed at midnight and a new song comes out, you're laying in bed at midnight. Right. Like it's not anything super special. Whereas like where is going to a record store at midnight or whatever local store you had that was open at midnight that carried albums and CDs. Right. You would typically do that with your friends or maybe it was like, yeah I don't know. There's usually always I mean, I remember and driving around for Blackout here in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
00:30:25
Speaker
ah Because the stores that were open past midnight at the time were the local store Meyer. And I drove, i think, to two different Meyers just trying to find it. and And i like all over Grand Rapids. And I was just like, oh, fuck, like, you know, just ready to go. And I just have that memory in my head being like, I have to, have i will not go home without this album tonight.
00:30:45
Speaker
Well, and even so, so even to speak to that and how true I think that is. So Kylie did ah album signing at Rough Trade here in New York City a few months ago, whatever. My friend Alex, when it was during the day I had to work, I couldn't go.
00:30:58
Speaker
So he went there, did the whole thing. And then when we were at the show, he actually posted pictures a couple of days later. He ran into people that he met online at Rough Trade waiting for the Kylie thing, saw them at the concert and was like, oh my God, you're here, blah, blah, blah. And had like a little bit of a kiki moment. They took photos, posted online. And I'm like, see, but that's exactly what I'm talking about.
00:31:19
Speaker
Yeah. It's that that part of the community that you just are missing in the digital era because- I'll be honest, like when I think of the Swifties, they are so unstoppable when it comes to their purchasing power, when it comes to their streaming numbers, when it comes to how they defend their, like they really are yeah definitely in the upper echelon of fan bases.
00:31:37
Speaker
But I'm like, imagine what y'all could do if you got offline. Right. Exactly. Imagine if you got out of every comment section and got into community with your fellow Swifties in like a record store or something like and really got a boots on the ground type of thing about your releases.
00:31:56
Speaker
I mean, you're already making friendship bracelets. I feel like it would go to the next level. Right. There'd be friendship crowns or something. I don't know. Right. But I mean, like it's it's that was sort of like the joy of it growing up.
00:32:07
Speaker
and you know And again, I don't want to sound like that old man, but it really, I do think that there is something to that, which also speaks to why vinyl has become such a big thing for the for that audience now. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
00:32:19
Speaker
um So there is going to be and a repressing of this album on vinyl, right? That I don't know. I think so. I would imagine that there would be. There's no way that there's not going to be. right yeah um did you have a favorite track off of this album this is a really hard one because i really do there's so many songs that i feel uh a lot of ways about i love where are you now it's you i love where are you probably one of my favorite britney ballads and don't my god i love that yeah we never really talk about britney's ballads and we don't know and i really like i love that one i think it's great um
00:32:56
Speaker
I'm looking at the track list now. What you see is what you get is probably up there for me. And then I think,
00:33:05
Speaker
oh, I don't know. Probably don't go knocking on my door. dont go knock my dog do do do do don' do but it's like so good it's so good i remember do you remember or when she did that like tv special for to promote this album it was like a concert somewhere that she put on and i remember hearing that song for the first time on that i believe right and you're like this is the future this is the future absolutely the future it was just oh i just loved that like almost like medieval sounding like right musical the instrument sound or whatever like it's just yeah and i was actually shocked at this that that don't go knocking on my door ah was not a single either
00:33:53
Speaker
No, i thought it really... I thought for sure that song was going be single um just because it just felt so... It did kind of feel like the future in way. Oh, absolutely. I mean, yeah and I was obsessed. So, I mean, even with the the bonus, the other versions of the album, the international editions, one of the things that I saw in the announcement was that um they are going to put two bonus tracks on this new deluxe version, which I'm very excited about.
00:34:18
Speaker
Let's celebrate that. What songs are they? It's going to be Walk On By and Heart. Okay. Walk on by such a good song. It is such a good song. And oh is it? Was it from this era?
00:34:32
Speaker
it and So this is a good, i think that this, this song was tacked. It was a B side, just stronger in Europe, I believe. Got it. Yes. And but i I bet you it is one of those songs that you had mentioned where there's I could see it being recorded for baby one more time for sure.
00:34:49
Speaker
And then being like, because I would say that this is like the this song sonically is ah the sister to sometimes in a way. Oh, 100 percent. You know, and so i was like, I could see them being like, oh, let's not put this on baby one more time. Maybe we'll save it for whatever else. Right.
00:35:05
Speaker
And and they did. They saved it for B-side for Stronger. And I'm not even going to lie, I really like Heart 2, as ridiculous as it is. Really? I do. Like, it's very, very of her age at the moment.
00:35:17
Speaker
Yeah. But it's super cute. was going to say, I have not revisited Heart in a minute. I need to do that. um No one has said that in this year. In like the last, I don't even know, the last 25 years. Right.
00:35:32
Speaker
So what are you revisiting right now? Well, Britney Spears' Heart. Have you heard of her? um wonder if there's someone out there that's like, oh yeah, Heart is Britney's best song.
00:35:44
Speaker
If you are, please let us know. Let us know. Put it in the comments on social. Yeah, let us know who you are and tell us every – tell us why. Tell us why.
00:35:55
Speaker
tell us it Tell us why. um And I'm with you. i What You See Is What You Get is also a really – like that song, I remember, again, being a teenager and just being like, yeah, I'm so fucking edgy. Like what you see is what you get. Right, right.
00:36:10
Speaker
ah No one ever threw down lyrics harder than Britney Spears. And I remember her, like, she kind of did, like, a I remember the pole dance choreography that she did in that same live performance that she also did, Don't Go Knock On My Door.
00:36:24
Speaker
I remember that getting a little, like, ooh, she's being a scandalous young girl. Ooh, what are we going to What are we going to do? I'm like, well, it made me want to dance on a pole.
00:36:37
Speaker
I'll tell you that. like Absolutely. And then, if that wasn't enough, we're getting some remixes put on streaming. which is very exciting. So we're getting the Rip Rock and Alex G. Oops, I did it again, which you know this is a Rip Rock and Alex G. Stan podcast. This a Rip Rock and Alex G. Stan podcast. I cannot wait.
00:36:56
Speaker
And the the remix, the official title of that remix was Rip Rock and Alex G's Oops, We Remixed Again remix. Correct. And I mean, name a better remix title. Right, right, really.
00:37:09
Speaker
and then And then lucky we have the Jack D. Elliott remix, which I am a fan of. i Love that remix. And then the Miguel Miggs of Stronger, which is cute. I wish we were doing the Matt Quayle.
00:37:20
Speaker
Yeah, same. That was sort of the one. And it's it's in that moment when I see things like that, where I'm like, who is making these decisions? Like, that's what I want to know. Because like...
00:37:32
Speaker
When it comes to remixes, I feel like you don't have anybody at Sony who is saying, hey, this is the one that was actually really popular in the club. Right. Because this is cause this is the Miguel Miggs pedal pusher.
00:37:44
Speaker
Correct. Again, bring back the crazy titles to remixes because I need that. I need that. yeah Is Miguel Miggs the same person as Mr. Miggs? No, i don't think so. They're different so different people? I do believe they're different.
00:37:57
Speaker
Unless it's just a new moniker that he just did a different sound with, but I don't believe it's the same person. Right, okay. But I don't know. And then the Thunderpuss remix of Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know. Oh, interesting. Yes.
00:38:08
Speaker
Oh, good. I'm excited about that because I have the imported single with the Hex Hector mix. And I believe the Hex Hector mix is also on her remix album that she had put out. What was it? Be in the Mix or whatever.
00:38:19
Speaker
And so I love that we're getting the Thunderpuss mix on streaming. I'm actually really excited because i while I think a lot of the remix packages from them was sort of like, are you a Hex Hector? Are you a Thunderpuss? Because they were always on the same ones and like, which one were the ones you were going to play? Totally. Totally.
00:38:34
Speaker
I always reached for the Hex Hector one, but equally loved the Thunderpuss, and I felt like it deserved its moment, so I'm glad it's finally getting it. I mean, talk about two huge heavy hitters on one track. I mean, ah getting two big players on both remixing Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know.
00:38:52
Speaker
i mean, i love that. and love. what What's interesting about Britney's remixes for me, she's a good example of an artist where...
00:39:02
Speaker
Not every remix, in my opinion, is great. I agree. In fact, her early, like I would say for the first two albums, that first three albums, the there there was like one or two great remixes. Mm-hmm.
00:39:17
Speaker
compared to a lot of just like filler. Like I think they were doing it just to do it. But like, like I think of the, you drive me crazy space dust vocal mix. Right.
00:39:29
Speaker
It's right. So it's very, very of the time. And I think that when I think of that one, cause was Mike ski that did it. So Mike ski, I think was a local guy from Staten Island actually. Okay. And either Staten Island or Brooklyn, somewhere in the area where I live. And The places that he would play were very sort of like after hours-y kind of whatever. And I feel like sometimes when it came to like these like...
00:39:54
Speaker
you know, big tough guy, straight guys remixing Britney Spears to do like a full vocal wasn't really their bag. So they kind of were like, how can I make this work for my sets and still be, you know? Sure.
00:40:04
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah. So I feel like that's how we got that. Because if you listen to a lot of Mike Ski's other productions, they do sound very much like that. Okay. but Interesting. Yeah. and but That was not definitely not one of my favorite. Even the Thunder Puss of Sometimes is...
00:40:17
Speaker
almost a little... Right, yeah. You're kind of like... Yeah, it gets a little touch and go there, but um I think Lenny B did a really great remix of Baby One More Time that I loved.
00:40:30
Speaker
Yes, I like that too. yeah and he And he also did Lenny B also did a remix of You Drive Me Crazy but I liked. He was putting out quality this entire era. He really was. yeah and And I don't know if he did any remixes for this album.
00:40:45
Speaker
but the stuff i don't think so no i was gonna say i'm not i'm thinking about it was like i don't think that he did um but the stuff that he did do for britney throughout the years i've always loved and he always i feel like he almost almost all of his remixes got relegated to like promo only yeah or like and and very ah if any of them have ever gotten commercially released because i mean he did remixes for a sick remix for my prerogative uh that I love. And in fact, I don't even think that that was a promo only release. Like, I feel like that that was they the label just rejected it altogether.
00:41:18
Speaker
They were, everybody was doing stuff on spec at that point to try to see. And I think that they were just, cause you had, this is when you had like the really, like the heyday of A&R. If you don't know what A&R is out there, it's a, it stands for artists and repertoire. And it's usually the person at the label that would sort of be the person spearheading your catalog and what to do with it, helping you figure out which singles, which ones were, you know, made the most sense for radio, for adult contemporary, for like all the different areas. And that's sort of what their job was. You don't really have a ton of A&R anymore, which is why i think the music industry has started to become so chaotic because there's,
00:41:51
Speaker
You don't have real tastemakers that are sort of doing the thing and like helping these artists like stay relevant. But right yeah at that time, you really had like, um shout out to Hoshcorelli, who is a very famous A&R man who did all of this stuff back then. I mean, I don't know if he was on these projects, but he was really one of the big guys.
00:42:09
Speaker
And I think that because of the importance of A&R people, you got these classic remixes from all these guys, the Hex Hectors, the Thunderpost, et cetera. Yeah. ah Bring them back.
00:42:20
Speaker
Bring them all back. back But you know what? Are those all the remixes then that are coming out on streaming? As far as I know, yes. okay am going to demand her label to put out the remix eps for each of the singles in full because would love to get the rodney jerkins remix of oops i did it again yep very fun i would love the as you mentioned earlier the mac quail remix of stronger mac quail for those of you that are listening who's like who the fuck is mac quail
00:42:51
Speaker
um first of all how dare you second of all uh one half of hq2 with hex hector ever heard of her and um mac quail i mean he's also has done i mean he's done several of his own remixes for other artists but um has worked a lot with Hex Hector. He also... Who else did he work with?
00:43:11
Speaker
He worked with someone else. He's worked with a lot of people, but he's actually more famous probably now for being the guy that like scores TV shows and movies. like He's done such amazing work now. ah he Okay, Mac. Okay.
00:43:24
Speaker
Oh, yeah. If you look him up on on Spotify or anything like you'll see like his credits are crazy. He did the Mr. Robot show. He's done like a lot of really big like HBO type series and stuff.
00:43:35
Speaker
He's like oh really crazy talented. And the thing that was always cool about Hex is that I always sort of knew. just by looking what the remix was gonna sound like, because if it was Hex and Desrock, I knew it was gonna what it was gonna sound like.
00:43:46
Speaker
Hex HQ2 was, I knew we were gonna get that sort of, you know, Janet, some you know someone call my lover type remix. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then when he worked with the Soul Solution guys, like Unbreak My Heart, all of that that type of sound, but yeah.
00:44:01
Speaker
As soon as you said Desrock, I immediately, I was like, oh, that's gonna be like Mel C's I Turn To You. That's gonna be Michaela's In Love Two. This is such a sickness. No, I know. And then you and then you sigh and then you said h q two And I was like, well, you have I Learned From The Best by Whitney Houston. right You have um Tony Braxton, Maybe. Yes. um Spanish Guitar by Tony Braxton. Hit the Freeway. Hit the Freeway. Hit the Freeway. Yes. Yes.
00:44:27
Speaker
if you really want a great one, ah even for my Madonna fans out there, or if you want to kind of dig a little bit, Matt Quayle and Donna DeLore, The Hurting. Yes. It is so good. And it's one of my favorite tracks from that era. And it's so underappreciated.
00:44:43
Speaker
Is that where she's like, the hurting, hurting, hurting, hurting. It's so good. Donna DeLore, I love you. You guys, that was actually a surprise. Donna Delory is in the studio. I was recording right now. Donna and Nikki, get in here. Get in here, girl.
00:45:00
Speaker
um There's a woman who actually started at my work this week. Her name's Andrea. Shout out to Andrea. She's very sweet. um she reminded me a lot of nikki harris like in the face i was i didn't i didn't tell her that but i was like in in my head i was like are you like related because you might be yeah maybe of the harris dynasty of the harris dynasty um you know one of my favorite songs from oops it did it again was um can't make you love me it's so good I think that that one, I mean, that's one where like when it first came out, I loved it, but I didn't love it the way I love it now. That like kind of dance break in the middle. Oh God, yeah.
00:45:41
Speaker
Oh my goodness. Like Max Martin really put his whole pussy into that. His Max Mussy. Max Mussy. Oh my God. Yeah.
00:45:54
Speaker
Oh, my God. Oh, damn. And you know what? I will say i it's sort of a skip for me, but I never really listened to Satisfaction. I want to watch it. I love the performances of it, but I never really listened. Although I do love the little intro with the with her friend talking on the phone.
00:46:09
Speaker
Right, exactly. what it What is it that they say again? oh oh my God. It's going to drive me nuts. it's it It's something about like... I get what I want. I can't believe you said that.
00:46:21
Speaker
You don't really think I'm like that, do you? Oh, right.
00:46:25
Speaker
Anyway. ah Bring back interludes. Bring back interludes. Yeah. No, I i get that. So, I mean, this is an era of Britney, too, where a lot of performance remixes were done.
00:46:39
Speaker
um because she because she definitely wanted to be considered more of an edgy artist right and in that i feel like everybody always sort of looks at madonna as being the one that she looked up to but i kind of feel like she's more of the janet girl do you feel oh so you're team lizzo no but i mean like when is that what did she say that i must missed that Oh my God. Did you miss the whole, there's a whole like kind of scandal with Lizzo right now.
00:47:06
Speaker
Is the, Oh my God. No, please tell me I missed it. Oh my God. Oh my God. No, I didn't know. i um Bob the drag queen. And, uh, Oh my gosh. What's, what's the, uh, show that they do with, um, sibling revelry. Yeah.
00:47:18
Speaker
Yes. With Monet? Yes, with Monet X Change. And so Lizzo was on that. Oh my God, how did I miss that? i need to see that. my God, this was like blowing up right now. So she called Britney Spears a Janet Jackson impersonator.
00:47:32
Speaker
Oh. And in the same like... part of the show where they're talking about this, she said that she feels like Janet Jackson is the queen of pop and that Madonna, ah she she was she said she came before Madonna, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:48
Speaker
And so there was like this whole discourse between the three. It was a good conversation. Right. But of so of course the internet is now grabbing these little bites out of that. and are dragging Lizzo for it specifically her calling Britney Spears a Janet Jackson impersonator.
00:48:04
Speaker
Impersonator is too strong. Yes. And I think that that's wrong. And I, I will definitely disagree with Lizzo on that. I don't think impersonator is, is correct, but I say that because when you talk about the performance mixes, like it's not really something that Madonna did.
00:48:20
Speaker
Like she would have dance breaks and stuff, but like, I feel like Janet's, like if you listen to some of the earlier remixes of like Miss You Much that Shep did and like they were clearly like made for the dance breaks and whatever. like and So in that way, I feel like there's much more of a page out of Janet's book for Britney than Madonna's.
00:48:40
Speaker
I think there's clearly influences from both, but yeah it always seems like even just dancing wise, Britney dances more like a Janet does than more like Madonna did. Oh, absolutely. I completely agree. Madonna's a little bit more fluid and a little bit more soft with her things, whereas Janet is like razor sharp. Thrashy. Right. Yeah. Just like, we'll slice you.
00:48:59
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. Lizzo. God damn it. I know, right? I know. I was like, good luck with that comeback. um But yeah, I feel like, and and or I was going to say, with this era, she you know did a lot of these performance remixes. Wade Robson was the kind of the go-to guy to do these performance mixes at the time and also was her choreographer.
00:49:23
Speaker
um And his remixes for Oops, I Did It Again and I Can't Get No Satisfaction for the 2000 VMAs. Iconic. iconic iconic chef's kiss, um need, need, I know I've mentioned this before on the pod and i'm going to say it again. yes I need these studio versions of these mixes on streaming.
00:49:45
Speaker
It has to happen. Like, like that would have been a really cool to put on this re-release. Could you imagine? Yes. Yes. That would have been amazing. Like, even if it was just the Oops, I Did It Again remix, like that would have been so killer. Ugh.
00:50:01
Speaker
And even that, that's when like when she was doing that whole thing at the ah with with the guitar solo at the end, and I was just like, so metal. So metal. Exactly. i i was goth at that point. right I was goth at that point.
00:50:14
Speaker
and And speaking of guitars, and guitar, like doing like my rock and roll like hand signal right now. um At the 2001 AMAs, she did like a more rock version of Stronger with an added like dance break. and There was like a... an extended guitar break in the middle and added this like dumb but another in and i've had ah yeah ah i was like she is she is death metal right is what she is and see so like i feel like now we're hearing a lot of the comparisons for tate mccray to britney and i think we might have even talked about this before
00:50:51
Speaker
And while I understand the comparisons, because yes, the girl can dance like the house down, just like Britney can, even though I don't think they're stylistically the same. um I'm going to need her to go a little bit further before I can buy into the comparisons.
00:51:07
Speaker
yeah Like, I think the music is not... Oh, wait, how am I going to say this nicely? I think that she's got... Okay, so I listen to Sports Car almost daily. Let me just say that first of all, yeah because I absolutely love that song, and it's definitely going to be one of my favorites of the year.
00:51:22
Speaker
Yeah. But the rest of the albums aren't like that. Right. So it's like... if you look at Oops, I Did Again, Stronger, whatever, like there are other tracks on the album that give that same sort of energy.
00:51:34
Speaker
Whereas I feel like Tate made Sports Car and was like, this is going to be the single. And then nothing else sounds like that on the album. And I'm like, but this is, this is what I want from you. This is, the yeah, this is this is This is the one. So it's like before I'm going to say, yes, she's the new Britney because nobody will ever be the new Britney to me. But before she's going to be anywhere near a successor, I'm going to need the music to kind of get to that level a little bit more.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah. I don't want to shit on Tate McRae. She seems very down to earth and very lovely. She has everything that is needed to make it. ah Yeah. Everything.
00:52:08
Speaker
Her music just does not connect with me outside of Sports Car. Right. Right. And like, that's why, like, I didn't even really like feel the need to like review her album because I was like, i'm not going to sit here and like...
00:52:19
Speaker
make an hour long episode being like, I don't like it, but it's just like, it's just, it's it's just good. It's fine. does. It's as we mentioned in earlier episodes, it's just not for me. right I'm not the intended demographic.
00:52:30
Speaker
I am not the intended demographic and that's okay. Right. i am the intended demographic for sports car. Yes. Yes, absolutely. You want to give me a Buttons 2.0 any day?
00:52:41
Speaker
Do it. I'm here. Do it. And but that's and and again, it's like... and Ryan Tedder, bless his heart. I love him so much. I worship that man's songwriting abilities and his voice. He's unbelievable. yeah But a lot of her music right now is giving me Ryan Tedder, and I don't feel like it's giving me enough Tate McRae, if that makes sense.
00:53:00
Speaker
that does Yeah, that makes sense. Absolutely. i I feel like she's such a dancer, but she doesn't always give dance music. And I'm like, I, there's gotta be some sort of a middle ground here because you can give us mid tempos. You can give us ballads. I'm here for that, but yeah, I don't know.
00:53:16
Speaker
Well, I will say i this is, yeah I saw her interview on Las Culturistas and She kind of talks about that and talks about how she started she started her career, if you will, as a dancer and then found songwriting. um and then But noticed that when she was writing songs, she was more of a somber kind of ballad. and and She didn't say Billie Eilish, but I would liken it to like a Billie Eilish style.
00:53:46
Speaker
ah Sad girl stuff. And so she was, she's been trying to figure out how does she blend those two worlds? And that's way that she's at where she's at currently. Cause she is trying to do that. And, and I'm not saying that you can't. No, you can.
00:53:59
Speaker
ah you You can, and you're, you're your own artist and, you know, live your life. And clearly you're, you know, about to embark on a world tour. Like you do you. But for me, I think, I think that your spot, I feel like there is an identity piece missing.
00:54:13
Speaker
For sure. And that's, that's what I think it is, is that there's not a, what the singles give, even Greedy. Like I loved Greedy when I when i first heard and I thought it was one of my favorite tracks last year.
00:54:24
Speaker
But it just, you know, like we talked about this with Dua Lipa, like, you know, the album didn't give what you were saying it was going to give. It wasn't giving, what was it, UK pop rave funkadelic tribute to rave culture. Right. All the things. Put all the words in the blender. Right. like But it way it just wasn't. like and it's And it's fine, but it's like, I don't i don't know.
00:54:47
Speaker
And somebody on her team's got to figure out where this ship is going. Because again, when I listen to her album, like, you're going to go on tour, and I feel like I would want to go see you on tour to be the girl who's going to dance the house down.
00:55:00
Speaker
but Yeah. Is the rest of your music going to give me that? Not really. And what is that going to be like live? So I'm kind of like, I just, it just seems like Mick signals from her music so far. Yeah, same.
00:55:11
Speaker
But she's got it. She's got all the ingredients. It just needs to be honed in a little bit more. Yeah. Or we're just not the intended demographic. Right. And maybe that's just it. Maybe we're just too old F-slurs sitting here. Maybe we're just too old and just not understanding what's clicking.
00:55:28
Speaker
But, yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. But... Yeah, I mean, I would, back to the Britney remix EPs, I mean, I would love all of them to get put back or put on streaming. Like, yeah I mean, the Lucky remixes, um the I think Jason Nevins did a remix for Lucky.
00:55:46
Speaker
Rip Rock and Alex G did like a very video game sounding remix to Lucky that I really like. There was the Pablo La Rosa transformation remix of Stronger. Trans. Don't even.
00:55:57
Speaker
Trans. Formation. And let me tell you, i loved that remix. Oh, yeah. I felt transformed. I felt... Exactly. I felt transformed.
00:56:08
Speaker
And that was, like, very... It was kind of, like, Darude Sandstorm light in a way. You know? Very light. like Very light. Very light. Sugar-free. Right. Sugar-free. Splenda. Splenda.
00:56:24
Speaker
Yeah. I... That would be really fun to just get all of those and... I don't know. It makes me wonder, like, yeah I wonder how involved Brittany is if or if she's not involved or.
00:56:35
Speaker
my guess My guess is not at all. That's how it feels. Yeah. My guess is not at all. Yeah. Which upsets me, but that's right. Yeah. Right. And this is why it just goes to show kids, you got to own your masters.
00:56:50
Speaker
You got to own your masters. You got to be able to merchandise your own stuff because you know what? Whether or not you say anything, once they have your masters, they're going to do it with or without you. Yeah, that's that's real.
00:57:01
Speaker
Ugh. Well... i mean And you know what? But good for her because she does have a songwriting credit on this album. Dear Diary, today I saw a boy. Right? I mean, it may not be the most streamed song on the album, but you know what?
00:57:15
Speaker
Put that money in her pocket. just that i I always, that for whatever reason, get stuck in my head at random points. Dear Donary, today saw a bye.
00:57:28
Speaker
It's right up there with, um what's the other one? Tiny hands. The other one's the other ballad, My Baby.
00:57:39
Speaker
That's the other one. there's this you.
00:57:43
Speaker
and Oh my gosh. Tiny hands. Tiny hands. Just like cut to Kristen Wiig like the Judy's Denise character from SNL. So amazing.
00:57:56
Speaker
Oh my God. Wow. Well, I cannot, I cannot believe that Oops, I Did It Again by Britney Spears is 25. I feel, can we, hold on. We have to, we cannot finish this conversation without mentioning the iconic Stronger music video. oh I mean, like what did, when she taught us what we're supposed to be doing with chairs?
00:58:16
Speaker
ah that's what chairs are made for. Right. We've been using them wrong this whole time. the entire time. i was like, oh oh, I'm supposed to go under it and it's supposed to pin me down like that. Got it. Got it. Yeah. yeah That music, view exactly. That music video is a really good example of, ah first of all directed by Joseph Kahn, but it's a great example of like, there's not a ton to it. Like, yes, there's a couple CGI scenes and there was like a club scene or whatever which where she literally goes, ah,
00:58:44
Speaker
Whatever. um and She looks stunning, but like literally all they needed was a black room, her and a Conti outfit and chair. And that choreography done by Jamie King.
00:58:56
Speaker
And Jamie King, and I think there was a second choreographer. I don't remember the other person's name. Sorry to that person. Sorry to that man. Sorry to that man. um I mean, such a beautiful video that like the close ups that they did stunning. Yeah, stunning.
00:59:11
Speaker
I remember I remember doing that part of the chair dance, you know, the part was just hush, just stop. And she like jumps on the chair. oh yeah. Doing that at my ah high school ah Christmas dance in 2000. I was a freshman in the high school and I did not look this way. I was a chubby, chubby, chubby teenager.
00:59:29
Speaker
like bold cut ish type of hairstyle i was wearing uh khaki like cargo pants with a t-shirt and like a khaki sweater vest i was not into fashion like i am now i'll just say that and i now just remember like my like my fellow classmates looking at me like what because it's also a lutheran school i was just gonna say This is a Lutheran school, so they were definitely praying for my soul at that point. Oh, without a doubt. They're like, sir, this is a church.
01:00:01
Speaker
Sir, we do he does not want to fuck her. No. We don't we don't have to worry about that. No. He wants to be her. Yes. Yes. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Oh my God. What a good video. And also we, we just want to point out because we know someone on the internet is going to like, I can't believe you didn't say this, that Shania Twain is the co-writer for don't let me be the last to know. Of course. At that point, anything with a mutt laying.
01:00:26
Speaker
Right, right. um Because we had, what was the other one? The Celine Dion one that she did. ah If These Walls Could If Walls Could Talk. And I love in the liner notes of that where it says that Shania Twain is credited with the secrets part in the beginning where it's just, ah where she's secret, secret, secret, secret.
01:00:44
Speaker
Exactly. um She was like, no, that is my voice. You better put that down. I want it in the liner notes. like
01:00:51
Speaker
Iconic. I really though. Literally. like and and And I've never heard a more iconic whispered secret ever my life. Shania going around being like, have you heard my new duet with Celine Dion?
01:01:03
Speaker
That's what I would have done. Absolutely. Not brag, but I do have a duet with Celine Dion. and We're not going to keep record hear me in the opening part. right i I mean, the intro and throughout. And throughout.
01:01:14
Speaker
Very secretive. Very lush. Oh, my God. yeah Yeah. Damn. and that And I remember also like the guy in the music video for Don't Let Me Be The Last to Know like was definitely a sexual awakening moment for me. oh There was a lot of a lot of sexual awakening moments throughout my teenage years as most...
01:01:33
Speaker
of us have but that i remember like the arch of his like back oh yeah yeah it yeah i mean wasn't that the video they put her in a tree she was she was in a tree singing when they put that girl in the tree they put her in a tree she said you know what gonna sing up here we're gonna sing up here in this tree what do we think of this angle angle it was great yeah i love that video she was beautiful yeah And again, it's also like, ah she does good ballads. I really do. There's a lot of Britney ballads that I like.
01:02:05
Speaker
Yeah. And it was kind of a shock for her when she's performed it at the Femme Fatale tour. Oh yeah. That was like, I remember that was a moment where I was like, I was not expecting. No. revisit this song.
01:02:17
Speaker
At all. Oh God, I would die for one more tour. i know. So incredible. The circus tour was so good. I'm jealous. The only tour I ever saw live was the Femme Fatale tour.
01:02:29
Speaker
ah Yeah. Yeah. No, I saw that. I saw the dream within a dream. I think that was the first one I saw, but yeah, circus was that I will never, the, the video interlude where she did sweet dreams with the Marilyn Manson and she was at like the sex party and they all had the masks on. was very sort of eyes wide shut kind of thing.
01:02:48
Speaker
that interlude ah i like gagged at the show oh god i can't imagine i can only imagine how fucking amazing that was yeah no and unbelievable i mean that's i mean that's a great tour with some great performance oof yeah too like who yeah she she was crushing it but happy birthday oopsie did it again yes 20 25 years young one of the best to ever do it One of the best to ever do it.
01:03:15
Speaker
Well, it's come to that moment in the show, John Michael, where we both reveal a song that we don't talk about enough, a song that's maybe a deep cut, a remix, a bonus track, if you will, maybe a flop single. Ooh, not a flop single.
01:03:28
Speaker
Maybe a flop single. Do you have a song that we do not talk about enough? ah I do, and it's actually, I'm going to keep it Britney. And it's actually really hard because there's so many songs from her that I feel like we don't talk about enough.
01:03:41
Speaker
But the one I'm going to choose for today is from Blackout. Even though I know we talk about Blackout a lot. um It's sort of like the one that I feel like they tacked on after the album was released because it was like this weird where it wasn't on the album, but it is. But Everybody...
01:03:58
Speaker
with the little ah sweet dream sample. It's so good. Yeah, is. is so good. And I was very surprised that they put that on the digital ah release because it wasn't originally on the album.
01:04:12
Speaker
Right. Yeah. It was, I think a bonus track maybe in Europe or something like that. And then they put it on the singles collection as one of the B sides for one of the singles. Yeah. and And then they put it out on streaming, which I mean, do that with all her other albums, please. Because there's plenty, specifically Circus. There's a lot of really great bonus tracks on the Circus. Yeah.
DJ-Friendly Tracks and Sampling Techniques
01:04:33
Speaker
um In fact, I also imported those to my phone recently. Yeah.
01:04:38
Speaker
um No, that's a great song. It really is. like and it's It's such a random one and I feel like it's just nobody ever really talks about this. i mean and No. it's a great To me, that's a really good example of how to use a sample.
01:04:50
Speaker
Totally. And it's another JR Rotom track. Yep. It's a great use of a sample and I don't know. like I just feel like i feel like it lends itself so well to be played at like any party that is playing Sweet Dreams. Totally.
01:05:07
Speaker
Like you can mash them up so well or like play one and then the other or whatever. i mean like, ugh. It's very DJ friendly. Oh, absolutely. like Yeah. but That's a great choice. um I'm trying to remember how the chorus goes. It's like, it's like, cause it goes, ah everybody. And then it's like, oh shoot. It's like right at the tip of my tongue.
01:05:25
Speaker
G-G-G-G-G-R. Yeah, yeah. Come on, let's keep grinding. Like, I remember that part. Yeah. Oh, so good. So good. Everybody moving to the moon. Yes! Everybody moving to the moon. Exactly. very that Oh my God. We, we stand, we stand.
Britney's Nostalgic Tracks and Special Releases
01:05:47
Speaker
um I'm going to go with a song from Oopsie Did It Again that we did not mention yet. um It's the song One Kiss From You. Yes. um It's so bouncy and just like very wholesome. And ah it was produced by again, the iconic Larry Rock Campbell.
01:06:06
Speaker
um I feel like it was like collaborator with Britney throughout her first three albums. Oh yeah. Maybe even in the into the zone. I think that they did a few songs together.
01:06:16
Speaker
um But a very bouncy song. This was also the song that was put on the special McDonald's CD that she did with NSYNC. Stop it. Yes. Yeah. Yes.
01:06:28
Speaker
Yeah. I feel, cause I remember that. I don't remember everything that was on that CD, but it was like half NSYNC, half Britney. I think they each had four songs each. And it included like an album track from both of them, an unreleased track that was not on the album, and then I think like a remix or two. right And so I remember on the Britney portion, they had put their the Rodney Jerkins remix. They had put One Kiss From You.
01:06:55
Speaker
um I think that they put... What was it? and The unreleased track i might have been Heart. what what i i'm trying to I'm trying to look this up now. Hold on. And... And then NSYNC's, they had the Bye Bye Bye Teddy Riley remix.
01:07:09
Speaker
um I don't remember the other NSYNC parts. I'm blanking on the rest. How am I going to find that? I have to look this up later and I'll find out. Right. Yeah. I have it somewhere in my CD collection. I should have i should have dug it out and and showcased it to the world. Wait, hold on. we we can This will be a special magical editing thing. Let me see if I can find it. Hold on. Okay.
01:07:34
Speaker
Now... She's buried. Yeah, but i think I think I found it on Discogs. It's NSYNC and Britney Spears, your number one requests and more. Oh, love that. And it was the Bye Bye Bye, Teddy Riley remix. Are you going to be there if I'm not the one? And I thought she knew from NSYNC. And then Britney had, oops, I did again, the Rodney Jerkins remix, One Kiss from You, Girl in the Mirror, and Heart. Okay.
01:07:55
Speaker
got Okay. Oh, wow. I love Girl in the Mirror, too. It's so ridiculous. There's a girl in my mirror.
01:08:05
Speaker
I'm so sorry to everybody listening with headphones. Oh my God. They're like, what is their album coming out? like Maybe soon. Stranger things, stranger things.
01:08:16
Speaker
Exactly.
Closing Remarks and Audience Appreciation
01:08:18
Speaker
Well, thank you everyone again for listening. Thank you, John Michael, for joining for special 25th anniversary edition of Oops, I Did It Again. And until next time, everyone stay safe, be warm and peace out.
01:08:29
Speaker
Bye.