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Justice for ... Iggy Azalea!?!? (with DJ John Michael)
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HOMOPHONIC is back — and we’re coming in hot! After a mini break, DJ John Michael returns for a wild ride of an episode you won’t want to miss. We’re talking everything from Pride DJ sets and Rihanna’s third pregnancy to white gays comparing Addison Rae’s music to Ray of Light. We dish on the never-ending Katy Perry hate-train, celebrate Madonna and Pamela Anderson aging like icons, and react to Beyoncé’s epic Cowboy Carter tour kickoff. Zach even discusses his sexual awakening with Enrique Iglesias. And yes…we declare justice for Iggy Azalea. Buckle up — it’s a pop music whirlwind.
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Music Sampling and Returning Guests
00:00:09
Speaker
So he kept saying that it features an insane sample. And I was like, well, what does that mean Like, I was like, what's the sample? Is it ooo just a little bit? Can you imagine?
00:00:21
Speaker
i i don't i don't I would cease to exist. I would literally disintegrate. right i would literally disintegrate. It would be so insane.
00:00:32
Speaker
i don't know. Gina G has been pretty quiet lately. She's got tricks up her sleeve. She's got tricks up her sleeve. Oh my gosh. Well, none of this is going in the podcast.
00:00:44
Speaker
Nope. Nope. they can't. But it can't. But welcome back to Homophonic, everybody. We are we are rejoined by our long lost friend, John Michael. It's so nice to see you. It's so nice to see you too. I'm so i'm so happy to see you. Yeah, same.
00:00:59
Speaker
Yeah, we missed you with with ah the tears and gears of it all. ah But it was such a good episode. and Thank you. yeah know it was it was really fun. It was really fun to talk with. It was,
Disco Parties and DJ Sets
00:01:09
Speaker
I mean, obviously always fun to talk with Z. And then, you know, meeting Bentley for the first time was was really fun. so Which I learned that Bentley is going to be in Detroit for Pride. o He's performing.
00:01:21
Speaker
and I'm going to be in Bloomfield Hills, which is a suburb of Detroit, that weekend with my family. So if it works out, I know that my sister and my mom have a couple of things planned because it's both my me and my brother. We're both turning 40 in June. Oh, work.
00:01:36
Speaker
Yeah. Of course you were born in Pride Month. I know. ah June 18th. Hey.
00:01:44
Speaker
And so I am, yeah, I'm excited to potentially meet him. We'll see what happens. Oh, I hope that happens. Yeah. Yeah.
00:01:54
Speaker
um What's going to go on with you? I, you know what? I'm, let's say, since I saw you last, I feel like it's been a lot of work. I mean, it's been a lot of work. I did start, I feel like, honestly, I've been in a little bit of a creative rut lately, if I'm being 100% honest, and I think a lot people have. Right, right.
00:02:13
Speaker
Yeah. So I've been trying to sort of... um find something to spark that and I just started playing a disco party in the city, in Brooklyn actually.
00:02:23
Speaker
And it's at a place called Chow Chow Disco in Williamsburg and it's all like classic disco all night long. Every night that you go there they only play disco which is right up my alley. So I was like, yeah this is perfect. and James Patterson from the Knox is curating the lineup. So I did it last Wednesday or not two Wednesdays ago. And then I'm back on, I think the 21st of this month.
00:02:43
Speaker
And I'm probably going to do some stuff on the weekends with them. But it's like, it's so cute. The dance floor lights up like the Saturday Night Fever dance floor obsessed. That's incredible. And when you say the the Knox, are you talking about like the Knox as in like Love Me Like That featuring Carly Rae Jepsen, the Knox? Correct.
00:02:57
Speaker
Correct. That's so cool. Yeah. Yeah. James is an amazing guy. I DJ with him sometimes. We do my friend Anthony throws a Thursday night party at this club silo in Brooklyn. And we do like a back to back to back it's like four of us. And we just keep going song for song all night.
00:03:10
Speaker
And he's been part of that. So that's where I met him. And he's so lovely. And I'm like, we just immediately vibed. And I'm like, you, we definitely have the same taste in music. I love that. That's amazing. Yeah, no, he's just so cool. So that's happening. The silo party things is happening. So I've been trying to get back into sort of like my disco mode because I used to have a disco party that I would do monthly at a place called Nowhere Bar in the city.
00:03:35
Speaker
And so now I started working on like more down tempo, like disco mixes of stuff like. Oh, interesting. So we'll see where that goes. But I've got a lot of edits that I'm working on. So I think it'll be really fun for that party.
00:03:47
Speaker
When you say down tempo, are you talking like kind of like in the style of like I look love or love to love you, baby? Like that? It can be that down tempo. That's like 100 beats per minute. Yeah, for sure. But like I started working on one for Whitney Houston's Higher Love. That's like 104. So like because I usually at the party on Wednesday, like I'll play like 8 to 11, which is a dream. Yeah. It's like it's early enough for people to still kind of like hang out and then I can go home and sleep and still go to work on Thursday.
00:04:13
Speaker
um But yeah, so I've been doing things either like that or even like just anything that's below what you would normally hear like in the nightclub. This is so on brand for us to be talking about BPMs right now. So okay. So for those that that don't know what a BPM is, it means stands for beats per minute. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04:31
Speaker
And I kind of am obsessed that you're even talking about this because right now I am considering making a like – because I used to do a lot of continuous mixes for my friends' workout classes. And I have not done it – I have not done any mixing in six to seven years.
00:04:49
Speaker
Oh, my God. It's been a long time. Yeah. And it's mostly just because I have this old ah MacBook desktop computer that she just – She still works, but she it takes her time sometimes. You know what? Same.
00:05:02
Speaker
Yeah. She takes her to takes her time. And so I just kind of like, kind of and plus with the memes and just everything else, like life, I just kind of got away from it. But I've been inspired to maybe make ah a mix for Pride, potentially. it. We'll see if I have the time and and and see if I still got the got the juices.
00:05:24
Speaker
But I have been – my process is that I list out any songs i would even consider putting into this mix. And I list them out by BPM, starting from slowest to fastest.
00:05:34
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And doesn't necessarily mean it's going to go in that order, but I just like to, that's just how for me to kind of process and kind of start playing around. And um I love a good 100 BPM to start with. It's so good. Usually when i when I frame my DJ sets, I kind of do the same thing. So like if you ever come see me or anybody comes to see me, I will start off very sort of slow and low. yeah And then we kind of build, it's sort of like an A-frame house. You build up to like the peak and then you kind of bring them back down at the end right for a safe landing.
00:06:02
Speaker
Right. Yeah, exactly. yeah And so I like the the list that I have, it's it's kind of wild. And I sent you and Z something last night that I was, but I wouldn't even say I was working on it. I was trying it and i plate was playing around with it on my phone. No, but I loved it.
00:06:18
Speaker
It was. I did I loved it. I actually, my I will just say my my my phrase that I said was this transition tastes like vodka crann at the gay bar. Yeah. As soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, this sounds like sloppy 1am stuff. Yes, because I was like, because i was like i was like cause you know when I think about Pride, I'm like, there's obviously certain songs that everyone expects, right? There's going to be the I'm Coming Out, ah Born This Way, ah you've got Butch Shares Believe, you've got you know all of all of the girls, right? Now that's what I call Pride Volume 2.
00:06:50
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. But then I was really starting to think about it and I was like, well, what are songs that gays love that aren't necessarily pride songs per se? Right. So you're starting with Jam by Kim Kardashian.
00:07:03
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. why how what does yeah how did she go? She's like, I'm going to go to work like I'm paying my bills. Nobody wants to fucking work anymore.
00:07:15
Speaker
Get your fucking ass up and work. It's going to be that into Tyra Banks. Oh my gosh. Shake your body. Shake your body. Oh my God. Shake your body. Shake your body. That's actually, that's a really good idea to put that on there. Okay.
00:07:30
Speaker
Because yeah, that like it was just, cause I was just like listening to all these songs and the two songs that the transition that we were talking about was Hilary Duff's With Love Into Spring Breakers by Charlie XCX.
00:07:43
Speaker
And it works. Which is iconic. And also like, I will never be tired of that dance break. Right, exactly. it It works with so many things. It certainly does. And that's why I was like, hold on. Like this could, i was like, if this is polished up, would pop off. Yeah, no, for sure.
00:08:02
Speaker
Yeah. The girls are going to be at the gym turning it out to that. Turning it out. Exactly. Exactly. But where does one, like, so if I even do this, where does one even upload?
Mixing Platforms and Legalities
00:08:12
Speaker
I mean, SoundCloud is tricky because they, I think, have the strongest algorithm for, like, picking out music. MixCloud has always been the easiest for me. It's UK website. I have a lot of stuff on there, but I really haven't used it a lot lately. But I've never, never in my life have I ever had anything taken down.
00:08:27
Speaker
So it's like whatever their mechanism is for paying royalties and whatever and, like, tagging songs, they're really, really good at it and they keep everything legal and above the above the bar. so yeah I like Mixcloud a lot.
00:08:39
Speaker
ah The app is still a little, it's not as user friendly, I think, as SoundCloud. Unfortunately, SoundCloud is always going to be the main one. but Right. yeah Yeah, I know. Because that's the thing is like whenever I post anything about any mixes that I make, people are always like, how do we get this on Spotify? And I'm like umm like, bitch, I wish. Right, right, right.
00:08:57
Speaker
i would I would love to put it on Spotify, Apple Music and just be like, here you go. I'm surprised that they haven't figured that out yet, to be honest, like legally, because to me, like they already put DJ mixes up. you know I understand wanting to quality control and making sure that they're like legal released stuff, but it's like, yeah if you have somebody like you who's going to use like album tracks or whatever remixes, legit stuff, I don't understand why you shouldn't be able to upload it and they could still get paid out the royalties that they would get paid out for.
00:09:24
Speaker
Right. yeah Yeah. I don't get it. I don't get it either. And then I remember you telling me once about like, but you when you do mixing for Peloton, like your live DJ sets, you mentioned how like the transitions have to be done a certain way because if it's more than, i think it's more than 15 seconds, it's considered a mashup.
00:09:42
Speaker
it's It's like there's crazy legal language. So that's why the the, the, it's, it's that's so above my pay grade that I even understand. I'm just like, it's the, The record industry is so crazy on what they consider to be a mashup.
00:09:56
Speaker
And I'm like, I get what you're saying, but like a DJ transition or a transition between songs, that's not a mashup. Like I can understand if you're laying one copyright over another copyright, that's their concern. Yeah. But it's like, that's really not happening. And it's, I don't know. It's, it's.
00:10:11
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like mashup is one of those words that like people who don't know how to make them throw around because they don't really know what they are. You know? And let me tell you why. Right. Not everything needs to be a mashup.
00:10:22
Speaker
That too. That too. Not everything needs to be a mashup. you know And it's funny because I was going through Britney's music recently and i was scrolling and I'm like, I totally forgot that mashup of Pony happened and I'm not sure that we needed it. It's interesting, but I totally forgot that was a thing.
00:10:36
Speaker
That's right. Altego Music did that. Yes. They did. And to the point where they officially were able to release it. Right. But even to that point, like make that a little bit more accessible.
00:10:48
Speaker
Right. Yeah. you know, like, like let's do more of that stuff. Like if we can, if it sounds good, like I think that's a ah really cool way to sort of revamp two older songs. I agree. And also like more of that and no more sped up, slowed down.
00:11:01
Speaker
Please, dear God. No, I'm so sick of it. We, no one asked for it. Nobody asked for it. It's never going to do anything. I don't, I don't. it's it's It's clearly purely for the fact that people were getting around the legal of it all by speeding up and slowing down the versions on TikTok. Right.
00:11:20
Speaker
and And you know what? If you want to put that on social media and have it available on social media, sure. But when it's part of the artist catalog, when I'm going through Spotify, I'm like, this sucks, guys. This is really terrible.
00:11:32
Speaker
There is nothing that makes me Yeah.
00:11:38
Speaker
like Like seeing someone, Tate McRae is guilty of this, putting up a quote unquote remix EP right that is five tracks where it will contain the are original version, which is already released. right It'll have one, maybe two actual remixes. And then it'll be like sped up, slowed down, acapella, instrumental. Right, right. Don't get me wrong. Appreciate the acapella and instrumental. That's great. 1000%.
00:12:06
Speaker
This sped up, slowed down. I'm like, that could have been two other remixes. Right. Right. Like, come on. likem Like, an who? you you know You just know that they have some, like, intern or somebody that's just like, okay, let's just pitch this up a little bit. Great. Put it out.
00:12:19
Speaker
Slow this down. Great. Put it out. Crazy. Yeah. It's lazy. It's lazy. It is lazy. And you know know that Twink somewhere is being like, I'm a DJ. Right.
00:12:29
Speaker
Guys, look at all my credits. Look at all my credits. Oh my God. I am DJ sped up and this is DJ slow it down. Insane. I really hope that we get past that sometime.
00:12:41
Speaker
Yeah. I also, and this is the discussion of BPMs also makes me think of back in like,
00:12:50
Speaker
2015, 2016, when we started seeing the shift from EDM to more of like a trap vibey type of thing. And so remixes started going down that route as well. And I remember i remember being so frustrated and with Rihanna specifically because the – I want to say it was – she released the remix EPs for Needed Me, and they called them dance remixes.
00:13:16
Speaker
And when we talk about slow BPMs, right these were like 84 – think maybe there was one that was that hit But like,
00:13:27
Speaker
i was like these are and how does anyone
Comparisons in Music and Critiques
00:13:30
Speaker
Don't get me wrong. I love a good ambient remix or like totally whatever. Like I think remixes can span all genres. Don't call it a dance remix EP though. Right.
00:13:39
Speaker
Right. I was like, what is this? It's just like a, like these loungy type, like, and that's fine. I love all that stuff. There's a venue for all of that, but like, there is yeah I feel like the thing that Rihanna missed just with timing and as far as like how music has progressed and what's popular now that I wish that she was around for. And this is kind of why like,
00:13:57
Speaker
Even though I feel like, girl, we ain't never getting this album. um Literally. i got I can't. When they were just like, Rihanna, now it's his pregnancy. I was like. ah huh And everybody in my DMs were like, why are you sighing? It's a wonderful thing. She's a mother. And I'm like, all right, everybody. I'm not taking anything away from her motherhood whatsoever.
00:14:14
Speaker
I said, but we've been talking about R9 for like way too long now. Way too long. too with the rise and the popularity of Afro House now, which is usually like a very 120 BPM, 118, 122, Rihanna would have been perfect for that.
00:14:33
Speaker
And just to have, like, that's why I'm like, I need you to come back because I want you to take, excuse me, I want you to take part in the music that is happening now and like really be like, do something so incredible because I think like, can you imagine like Black Coffee and Rihanna?
00:14:48
Speaker
That would be insane. That's what I mean. Like kind of music and Rihanna. Like what are we talking about? Like you would dominate. This could literally be like a song of the summer, like a collaboration that would just rock everything. And you that would be bringing something. Okay.
00:15:01
Speaker
This is going to be something else. I'm going to tie this to in one second because I do have a little bit of a gripe here. I'm obsessed. When – okay. Okay. I was watching, I was reading stuff online and somebody was talking about, i'm not even going to name the pop star because I don't want to shade her. And I think that she's very nice and she's one of the new pop girls.
00:15:19
Speaker
Okay. But I don't know. And this is what I posted on threads. I don't know if I'm strong enough to live a life full of people comparing what the new pop girls are doing to Ray of Light. I saw, I think I saw you mentioned this. Yes. yes And I don't think that I can handle it for the Red Bulls.
00:15:37
Speaker
And again, and I don't want to be a crazy Madonna fan here, but yeah I think that when, if you're going to compare to Ray of Light, not even, not even just musically, but it's like, I know that we talk about Madonna, Queen of Reinvention, blah, blah, blah, blah blah whatever.
00:15:52
Speaker
Mm-hmm. What was happening at that moment was not only was she having her own journey into motherhood, so there was a general softening, there was the Evita of it all that had just happened, so there were new vocal lessons, her voice was stronger, it was different, it was more well-trained, yada, yada, yada. yeah But there was an experimentation that was happening all throughout this album that was so not mainstream pop, that was yeah so based in like the 90s electronica of it all that she then took and brought to the mainstream and made it a thing.
00:16:21
Speaker
So it's like, if you're not doing some version of that, I'm not even saying you have to do exactly that. But if you're not doing some version of that, if your if your new pop girl is just putting out really good, um you know, your standard sort of four chord, you know, pop, mid tempo pop song, yeah, that's fine. But it's like,
00:16:40
Speaker
You're talking about, you're like, but this is the album that Frozen came from. That's like an almost six minute, you know, orchestral epic, you know, journey. And it's like, I think we have to be a little bit careful about that because I saw that.
00:16:52
Speaker
And then I saw somebody else was talking about another pop girl who is putting out an album soon. And I guess she had been doing playbacks of it around the country in different spots.
00:17:03
Speaker
And this person was giving their tale about what it what it was. And I'm like, and he was saying, you know, well, this one track, it's giving Ray of Light. And I'm like, I need, I really hope, okay, I'm going to bookmark this one when the album comes out and listen to C specifically.
00:17:18
Speaker
But I'm like, this is a really high comparison here. Yeah, this is making me think of when um Ms. Addison Rae released Aquamarine and Twitter gays were saying, this is so Ray of Light.
00:17:33
Speaker
That might have been who I was talking about. Oh, okay. Well. but that's that's That was the first person I was talking about because that's who I saw them talking about it with. Yeah, and here's the thing.
00:17:44
Speaker
Aquamarine's a great song. It is. It's a great song. It's probably my favorite Addison Rae song that she has released thus far. um It is not ray of light. No. and But that's not a bad thing either. No, exactly. It's just, it it doesn't sound like it.
00:17:59
Speaker
Right. Just because something is electronic or dance does not mean it's ray of light. but Right. And i think that's one of the things is that I think that people fail to recognize that electronic dance music is an umbrella term for so much different type of. Right.
00:18:14
Speaker
dance music that everything there's so many different sonic differences. Um, and melodically it wasn't there. Like there was nothing. Well, and I feel like if you're going to compare to like, if you're going to take like a pop song, ah i just like ah a regular pop song and compare it to something Madonna, like almost confessions would be an easier comparison.
00:18:36
Speaker
You know, I don't know why the ray of light is what people reach for because I'm like, it's such a specific comparison. Very specific. And i I felt like if there was anything in Madonna's catalog that you could compare it to, I was like, I could see maybe the way that she did like the housey stuff with either Rescue Me or Erotica.
00:18:57
Speaker
Not that it even sounds like those either, but just the drum progressions of it at all. It reminded me like the early 90s housey styles that were coming out at that time. But that's as close as I'm going to give it and And again, it's not to shade Addison. It's joe no it's just we the... the ah What am I trying to say? the The points of reference that people are using in terms of music. It's very it's just really clear when people don't really listen to Madonna.
00:19:29
Speaker
Right. right well and that's Well, that's the thing because like as I'm seeing these comparisons and I'm like, but have you listened to Ray of Light? Right. But like, have you actually listened to it? Because I don't know if you listened to it, how you could get to this theory. And listen to it beyond the singles. Right.
00:19:45
Speaker
Right. Listen to it beyond, you know, Frozen, Ray of Light, Power of Goodbye, and right ah Nothing Really Matters. like Because two you listen to Shanti Ashtangi and then you tell me that Addison Rae is doing Ray of Light. Yeah. I want to see you sing in Sanskrit, bitch.
00:19:59
Speaker
Like, come on. Right, right, right. Like, ugh. And again, and but this is why, like, and I feel like with the gays, with the Twitter gays, like generationally, like this is how the fights start to happen because I'm like, I want you guys to have the knowledge and I want you to have the love and the appreciation for everybody that came before you. And the older gays, I want you to be able to look at the younger ones, ah you know, with the younger pop stars and like give them their time and let them do their thing and to support them. Yeah, yeah.
00:20:26
Speaker
we've got We've got to get our references together because it wouldn't be okay. You wouldn't do that in fashion. Right. So don't do it in music because if you looked at like, I don't even know, like ah an Addison Rae music video and was just like, she's giving Mugler.
00:20:38
Speaker
It would be wrong. Right. It would just be wrong. It would be very wrong. Right. And yeah. You know, the thing with Addison Rae, so many people are like rooting for her. I'm rooting for her.
00:20:50
Speaker
I'm rooting for her.
00:20:54
Speaker
i have to say. This is going to be controversial. Yet brave. Yet brave. Okay. i First of all, to famously say I do not need my pop stars. We've talked about this many times.
00:21:07
Speaker
I don't need my pop stars to be these vocal acrobats, you know, like Whitney Houston and Mariah and Ariana, right? I believe that you can sing in multitudes of ways.
00:21:18
Speaker
um Sorry, my phone is like blowing up. Okay. um i Don't know if Addison can actually sing. Okay.
00:21:30
Speaker
And I say – I know. I know. And I say this because – I've yet to see her do a live performance where she actually sounds good. Oh, I don't think I've ever actually seen a live performance. So you might be a little bit of a ahead. I have to look.
00:21:46
Speaker
She did two things with Charlie. She did a surprise appearance during the sweat tour with her and Troy. They did Diet Pepsi together.
00:21:57
Speaker
She also did a surprise appearance at Coachella weekend too. They did the Von Dutch remix. Yeah. Here's the thing. Like, again, I'm not saying she needs to sing like Christina Aguilera or anything.
00:22:10
Speaker
I just don't know. Like, I don't want to be gaslit into thinking that someone is a pop star because someone has good taste. Right. We all recognize that she has good taste. We all recognize that she's a dancer. that We all recognize that she has worked with.
00:22:26
Speaker
Yep. Knows her references, has worked with incredible people. That's wonderful. Right.
00:22:32
Speaker
I'm rooting for her. Yeah. But I also don't need to be told that like, like that she is something when it's, she's not. And that's okay.
00:22:44
Speaker
I don't know. That's, this might not even make it the episode. Well, but this is the thing is that like, and I think that I don't know, I don't know if it's the social media of it all that is causing this or if it's record label hype or I don't know what it is, but it's, I think that,
00:23:02
Speaker
there is such a need with Stan Twitter now that it's like, if you like one song or two songs, but because I mean, her catalog is not big right now. No, she has one EP and has released four four singles from the new album.
00:23:14
Speaker
So it's like, if you're like going to like die on the cross for Addison Rae, Like, that's totally fine. But I'm like, maybe give the girl some breathing room and let's see what she does first. Right.
00:23:25
Speaker
Yeah. And not everything that she releases is incredible. Like, it's right. Right. And that's totally fine. Yeah. Because people are because there are people out there who are acting like she is the next. big thing and that's great I mean I'm excited for the album I'm excited to hear what she has and and excited but there I don't really go out of my way to revisit anything that she's released thus far and I think part of that too is the fact that you know talking about reference it's so popular now to constantly kind of reference and recreate mm-hmm
00:23:58
Speaker
headphones on is very bedtime stories. If I wanted to listen to bedtime stories, I'm going to listen to bedtime stories. Right, right, right, right, now right. You know? Right. um So I don't know. I, I sound like a hater. I'm not trying to hate.
00:24:10
Speaker
I am very excited. i just, but I think it's, and this is, this might be an easy segue, but I feel like this is almost the same sort of thing. And bear with me when I say this, because I'm not comparing these artists whatsoever. Yes, he is.
00:24:26
Speaker
No, I'm saying it because like when, when this particular artist came out, like everybody was so like about her and was just like, she's the new, this she's going to say everything she doesn't make it.
00:24:37
Speaker
And where are we now with Iggy Azalea?
00:24:42
Speaker
was not expecting you to say her.
00:24:47
Speaker
i am But you know what I mean? Yeah. Because when she came out and like the fancy of it all and like when all of that was happening, they were like, eggy, everything. And everything she touched was like, boom, single, boom, gold, boom, gold, boom, gold. yeah And it was for a while. And everybody was so like, she's one of the next queens of rap and blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:05
Speaker
And then obviously everything went different, but it's like, I, I don't need the hype to be that much. Like give the girls a break, let, give them the room, support them, do let them do what they know how to do and just, you know, whatever. But it's like,
00:25:20
Speaker
Not everything is like, this is the best thing since the last thing. And I'm like, yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, it's it's good. it can be good. It can be even great. But like to sit there and immediately upon one listen, be like, this is ray of light.
00:25:34
Speaker
This in the zone, blackout. It's whatever. It's, I'm like, y'all chill out. It's okay. Your recency bias is showing. Totally. It's fine. Right. That's, that's why like, like, I don't know.
00:25:49
Speaker
That all said. I'm going to say something brave. I might have said this already on the podcast, but I think the, I think the world and the music industry owes a gay azalea an apology.
00:25:59
Speaker
You know what? I'm not going to disagree. I feel like, cause here, here's my thing.
Iggy Azalea's Career and Controversies
00:26:04
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Hear me out. I'm not saying she's perfect. No, none. None of our pop girlies are perfect. Right.
00:26:11
Speaker
But Iggy Azalea is a really interesting case of a young woman trying to make it into the music industry. When she finally blew up with fancy, she was what? Maybe 23. If that 11 years ago,
00:26:24
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eleven years ago Yeah, like she was young. I remember her. I think that she said that she moved to America from Australia when she was like 14 or 16. Yeah, mean, she only put out her first EP in 2013. Yeah, so like she's been trying to make it happen here and and hustling.
00:26:43
Speaker
So she gets in with a team of people, right? who are like, absolutely, we're going to make you the next big thing. yep And who are these people? These are people within the hip-hop industry who ended up signing her.
00:26:56
Speaker
T.I. And T.I. is the one that got her to really pop off and was the one to... I've been saying pop off a lot today. It's in the air. It's in the air. um But he's the one that got her into the realms with the hottest producers and songwriters and putting her as features on songs and really getting her...
00:27:18
Speaker
And also are the people, again, this is the case with, you know, major record labels and things like that. It's beyond just making your music that you want to make. Right. it's cra It's creating an image. Right. It's creating your sound. Right. She's having all of these people behind closed doors saying, yes, this is what you need to do.
00:27:42
Speaker
This is what you need to do. Absolutely. We are signing off on this. We are signing off on this. We are signing off on this. And so then now once, you know, social media, this is where we saw a big turn with social media and started hearing, you know, a lot of conversations about cultural appropriation and all of these things.
00:27:58
Speaker
All of a sudden, all the backlash that Iggy got and everyone is, you know, no one came up to defend her. No. She just became an easy person to dislike on the internet. An easy, easy person. and kind of And then, you know, I know that a lot of people criticize the way that she raps and whatnot, but like there's a a lot of singers out there who sing a certain way and do not speak.
00:28:22
Speaker
And I'm sorry, we don't do this to male rappers. We certainly don't. We certainly don't because let me tell you, like the one one of the biggest hip hop albums last year was by people who are...
00:28:35
Speaker
I'm sorry. I'm not throwing it down as much as I've enjoyed some of Iggy's music. so Iggy, I'm going to say right now, Iggy has some bops. First of all, she's got a lot of them. Second of all, the new classic was a great album.
00:28:48
Speaker
Great album. was a great album. I mean, and production on all of these is fantastic. And I don't remember where it was, but she was in some interview where she recognized, she called it pop rap. And I was like, oh, that's ah absolutely what this is. 100%.
00:29:04
Speaker
And I loved that because i loved she did blend pop ah production styles with this like hip hop rap what like ah sound that worked really well for her.
00:29:15
Speaker
But I mean, even if you want to talk about like lack of popularity, like her songs, I'm looking on Spotify right now, like Fancy Alone has 793 million streams.
00:29:26
Speaker
crazy black widow has 631 million streams even her not even huge hits on the album like 9 million 8 million 7 million 4 million 12 million like the numbers are there so it's not like this is a very controversial opinion like people are still listening to her music yeah absolutely even i think that some of the songs that didn't get picked up by her and not not that this is going to be an Iggy Azalea stand podcast all of a sudden I don't know why this is happening right now but like I loved Mo Bounce I loved Switch I loved Savior i was a big fan of all of that Mo Bounce? Mo Bounce that video oh my god
00:30:04
Speaker
That song, Justice, I'm going to say it right now, Justice for Mo Bounce. 100%. That song produced by the stereotypes, I believe. um That song fucking slaps.
00:30:17
Speaker
Yeah, it The way it kind of blends this like electronic, throbby beat with, and there were some really good remixes for that too. yeah that um And I think Far East Movement was one of the remixers for the song. Yeah.
00:30:30
Speaker
um eden prince i like that one eden prince there was another one i think it was yeah dirt caps the dirt caps remix that thing fucking slapped in fact going back to what we were talking about earlier in the show when i used to do do mixes for my friend's class i did this really sick transition between katie perry's bon appetit and mo bounce That like it was so good. i'll have to dig it up and and send it to you because it was and like whenever I hear I'm like, okay, I'm really good at this. and um
00:31:04
Speaker
I mean, like, to you know, from one flap queen to another, but yeah but still. um But yeah. That being said, we just missed a 10 year anniversary for Iggy Azalea and one Miss Britney Spears.
00:31:21
Speaker
As we celebrate Pretty Girls. Oh my when you had brought this to my attention the other day. It was a shock. What is time?
00:31:31
Speaker
Right. What is, name her. I don't know her. Right. I don't know her. that song was released yesterday. Right. and As far as I'm concerned. And it's really, really crazy, like, where it sits in Britney's discography, too.
00:31:44
Speaker
really crazy and i'm i'm actually really fascinated with it because there are rumors on the internet that that well it was clearly supposed to be a lead single for her i think apparently and i saw i read an interview with iggy where she said that they had actually recorded quite a few tracks and that they didn't not every single one became something but that this was the strongest and they sort of saw this one through to the end so i'm like where are the others Where are the others? Where are the others?
00:32:10
Speaker
I mean, and the the fact that the song was written by Little Mix. Right. Well, and so that's the other thing. So let's qualify that from the top. So you've got the production. It's produced by The Invisible Men, which is George Astazio, Jason Pebworth, and John Shave. It's also co-written by them.
00:32:22
Speaker
And Megan Cotone, who did most of the tracks with Kylie for her disco album. Love that. Love her. She's a fantastic pop songwriter. Her, i three I feel like her and Sarah Hudson are two of my favorite, like,
00:32:35
Speaker
The pop girls that are behind the scenes that are sort of like doing all the great songwriting and then lyrics by all the girls from Little Mix and Iggy Azalea. I love that. Crazy. Crazy. i' Name another podcast talking about this song right now. Right.
00:32:49
Speaker
We'll wait. Exactly. And what actually is really, really funny, and I always say that Americans are so strange in particular when it comes to their music taste, is that here, I feel like you would consider the song a flop. It stopped at number 40 on the US charts and that was it.
00:33:03
Speaker
But yeah Canada, UK, Finland, number 20. Top 20 song. Yeah. That's but also number one on the hot dance, hot dance club songs chart here in America, which is weird.
00:33:16
Speaker
Oh, very weird. Cause that I don't think it had any officially released remixes. Did it Correct. No, but it was her first number one on that chart since I want to go in 2011. Wild. There was a, there were supposed to be remixes. I know that one of them was robots with Ray guns that, that leaked online that I actually have it on my phone.
00:33:33
Speaker
Um, you're welcome. Um, Really good remix. And I want to say that Jason Nevins was also working on a remix for it, but it never got released. I know. I love Jason Nevins. Me too. I would love to hear that.
00:33:46
Speaker
I know. but And it's crazy because it's like it's this is in between albums. so you had the The only thing she did this year was like this and Tom's Diner. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Because this was what, 2015? 2015 was Glory.
00:33:58
Speaker
Yeah. Because, okay, so i I do think that there was allegedly, this was allegedly going to be a lead single from an album. Fans have called it Pretty World. But then the song did not perform as well as they had hoped. And therefore, then they moved on to a redirection, if you will. Right.
00:34:18
Speaker
um and also saw we also saw iggy we saw at the same time starts the the major decline because people were having their discussions about cultural appropriation so i don't think that that helped at all no no and she did team after that which i also loved iggy team was great yeah i was a big fan of that too Yeah.
00:34:39
Speaker
Justice for Iggy, if you want to come on the podcast and talk about your bops. I mean, because really, like, she's still been putting out stuff. She's been featured. I mean, the most recent thing is 2023, so maybe she's taking a break, but... her She had a single come out during the pandemic called i Am The Strip Club. Ooh, I don't think heard that.
00:34:56
Speaker
It is a house song. It features in the music video ah one of the houses that was featured in the show. do you remember the show Legendary? Girl, I miss it every day. it Bring it miss every day. Bring it the fuck back.
00:35:09
Speaker
Bring it the fuck back because that show ate down. That's where that's where all where we all met Honey Balenciaga. Right. And that's where I think most of the world discovered Law Roach. Yep.
00:35:20
Speaker
Absolutely. and um But yeah, one of the one of the houses that was in that show, I forget which one, is featured heavily in the music video. Oh, I need to see that. And yeah it's a great – she puts out great songs. yeah and then ah And then I remember with that music video too, people were, again, accusing her of blackfishing.
00:35:38
Speaker
Okay, here's here's maybe the most controversial thing that I'm going to say on this show, and please do not get my words twisted. White
00:35:50
Speaker
white people do get tan.
00:35:53
Speaker
Yes, yes. I think that – I feel like her –
00:35:59
Speaker
You say more and then I'll say. Okay, here's the thing. In the video, there she has two looks. i wait If I'm remembering correctly, she's got a brunette look and a blonde look. And the way that her makeup and the lighting is, and this is the other thing too. I don't even, it's it's it's clear that she's tan, but I think it's the brunette wig and the lighting and and and her surroundings that give her a more tan look in that particular look of the video. And therefore people are like, she's black fishing.
00:36:26
Speaker
But the thing is, is like you guys in in the same way that Beyonce was accused of lightening her skin when she wore that platinum wig to the Renaissance premiere. Like we really I am begging the general public to be a little bit smarter with their critical thinking.
00:36:40
Speaker
Well, and I will say this too, because it's like ah when the whole thing happened with Beyonce, um I need everybody to understand that lighting is a thing. Lighting is a real thing. like And it can change things drastically. And I wish I could show you before, because before the podcast started, what you see right here, this was not happening. I had yeah no light. I had no light here. There was a lot of craziness happening. And luckily this what my husband does for a living.
00:37:01
Speaker
So he came in and set up lighting, but it, this is I did not look like this at the start of the podcast. Not at all. In fact, the light the original light that you did have on your face was a lot warmer.
00:37:11
Speaker
Right. And I looked a lot tanner. Yeah, a lot tanner. A lot more golden. Right. More sun-kissed. Yes. And what I will say is that while it is definitely not up for me or even you as white gay men to discuss what is and not necessarily cultural appropriation or blackfishing.
00:37:28
Speaker
um I think that there is there is something to be said about the discussion around it because I think that if everything is blackfishing, nothing is blackfishing. You know what I mean? like And you don't want to use a word where the intention is not that or not even the intention because intentionality does matter, but you don't want to just take the power away from people who are doing it so harmfully.
00:37:51
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. I was going to say, yeah, like it, I guess ah to rephrase what I was trying to say earlier is not everything is blackfishing. Right. And, and, and I think in Iggy Azalea's case, so it is very, she's fully aware of the controversy that she has been embroiled in. She, and we, and she knows that we all know that she's white. She's not trying to pull any wool over our eyes. Right. Right. And so it's one of those things where it's like,
00:38:15
Speaker
you know I think that that it was just and another easy target moment for people. for sure you And to your point, when we're constantly doing that, you are taking the power away from the actual – when those things that are actually happening.
00:38:30
Speaker
And like I don't know. And I think it's one of the reasons why like why like wokeness, quote unquote, gets such a bad rap. you know Oh, for sure. Because i see this I see this in all the political activism that I do when I go protest and stuff. And it's like, you know, you get people that are just just say the thing because it's the the inflammatory thing to say. And it's like, I get it. And you're trying to get like clicks and likes and views. But I'm like, you're really like what you I don't I don't need Iggy as the example when there are clearly when we've had politicians in our government actually do it.
00:39:03
Speaker
Right, exactly. no like And so like that, whereas I feel like that's super harmful and is meant with such racially charged intent, I don't believe that that was Iggy Azalea's intent with any of this. No.
00:39:14
Speaker
and it's And back to my original point, she was exceptionally young. New artists do not have tons of power. And I'm sorry, like, yeah, until we're going to have a discussion of who was helping craft her image and who was putting this all together, because trust me when I tell you, we see yeah you see this a lot in the music industry.
00:39:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like, like we've, we've got to be better about understanding that new artists when they are signed, it's not that they're powerless. And of course they, they, they, she definitely could have done things differently and and whatnot.
00:39:47
Speaker
But again, in an industry that is filled with men telling you to do something. And if you don't, you are going to be not just canceled, but you're, we're going to do away with you and you're never going to work in again. We'll be, I mean,
00:40:00
Speaker
But I think that there's even the reverse of that because when you look at the stories, if you listen to the things that Mariah Carey has said, if you listen to the things that Whitney Houston has said, where they did the reverse of this, where the record labels were trying to make them appear more light skinned to appeal to white audiences.
00:40:16
Speaker
The reverse of this can also be true for a record label trying to make Iggy appear more like this the hip hop community or the black community versus, you know what I mean? So it's like there's the... the pressure and the um the domination of men in this industry, specifically when it comes to women, is still a thing. It's always been a thing. And we'll see if it will ever not be a thing. But it's like, again, we don't do this stuff to men.
00:40:43
Speaker
We don't. Yeah. so So start doing it to men. Start to objectify them. Just do everything. Objectify men. Men. Come on. But I will also say I got to give a shout out to the Pretty Girls music video because it's inspired by one of my favorite 80s movies, Earth Girls Are Easy.
00:41:01
Speaker
Yeah, which I've never seen. oh my God, you'll have to see it. Gina Davis is amazing. Yeah, and and I love the music video. yeah It is so campy and so fun. I love to, once in a while, I'll use a clip from the video where I zoom in on Britney's face. She's got like money in her mouth and yeah she's just kind of like doing this like like lasso thing.
00:41:19
Speaker
And I'm like, oh, she's just having the time of her life. Right. But we also know now that this was the time like because famously Iggy said that like before she was allowed to go to her house, like they searched all her stuff. They like rant like like Brittany couldn't come to the house. They had to search her house. It was like a whole thing. So this was a really like contentious time for her as well.
00:41:36
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. i almost feel like maybe iggy doesn't get enough credit for trying to be there for her and like support her in a time when she probably really needed it yeah but yeah it's kind of wild and then going from pretty girls to tom tom's diner right after was a little wild It is wild. And honestly, like I was kind of expecting Tom's Diner to be ah a giant hit. Yeah. For some reason.
00:41:58
Speaker
And I guess, you know, I guess they never like officially promoted it as not really a single or I don't think there were music video was films or anything. But that whole, that had that album, Giorgio Moroder's album had such good tracks on it.
00:42:11
Speaker
Such good tracks. I remember there was a song with Khalees. That's the, ah I was going to say, that's the song we don't talk about enough. Oh my gosh. Back and forth. I was obsessed. Yeah. Like, I need to revisit it. It's been a minute listened that what the other one was, it Don't Let Go with Mickey Blanco.
00:42:26
Speaker
I think on that album it's so good. i' Okay, like, I think I completely even forgot about that. Yeah. No, there's really good tracks on that album. I love him. Yeah. I think, oh, Giorgio.
00:42:38
Speaker
Right. And he's still with us, right? Like, he's still kicking? Yeah. He... he
00:42:44
Speaker
this for anyone that doesn't know who Giorgio Moroder is, he is, he was the producer behind Donna Summer. Yeah. I feel, um i feel i mean pretty much all of it, but that was the most pretty much. Yeah. Pretty much the pioneer of electronic dance music as we know it Correct. Like, like he is a for a tour de force, if you will.
Influence of Artists and Music Videos
00:43:03
Speaker
Um, And he worked with Fernando Garibay a lot in arabba working in the early 2000s, did a bunch of remixes with him. um And me being a young baby gay at the time, not really knowing who he was, but I mean, one of my favorite remixes that he ever did was with Fernando Garibay.
00:43:21
Speaker
it was Enrique Iglesias, Don't Turn Off the Lights. Yes, I knew you were going to say that. it It's a phenomenal remix yeah that deserves to be on streaming. Oh,
00:43:33
Speaker
Speaking of Enrique. Uh-oh. He just turned 50 years old. Girl, I can't. like I can't. it's though i ah We talk about a lot about like different sexual awakenings, but I can honestly say it's a tie between Cisco.
00:43:50
Speaker
Just Cisco in general. um But Enrique Iglesias' Be With You music video the part where the girl like he and this girl are in a club and she like grabs his ass and then she like lift lifts up his shirt and basically looks like she's about to go down on him i remember being like a 15 year old just being like uh like activate yeah i was like gay like Oh my God. Yeah. And I just a slut for Enrique. Oh yeah.
00:44:22
Speaker
I, you know what? I, I, I feel like he gets love in the Latin community, but maybe not in the mainstream as much. And you know, is he a singer? That's debatable. but i write But again, going back to what we were saying before, I don't need him to be, you know, Andrea Bocelli.
00:44:40
Speaker
Right. You know, like I need him to do exactly what he does because there's something that he's going to bring to the track that not anybody else is going to do. Same thing like Britney. Britney's not a singer singer, know, but nobody can do what Britney Spears can do. Right. And I and, you know, I have to say revisiting it because I do I.
00:44:55
Speaker
I mean it when I say I love Enrique. Right. It's like like Rhythm Divine is one of my favorite songs of all time. Oh, yeah. i so for for him, i the one I always reach for is I'm Not In Love. Yes. Yes. That's always my favorite. So good. Yeah. um But revisiting his music and you listen to his voice. He has a unique voice. Yeah. and i'm an and i yeah But so did his dad.
00:45:17
Speaker
Yep. But you're like, you listen and you're like, hmm. is he a singer? Come on, Nepo baby. Yeah. Yeah. And it's right it's kind of funny too when you think about like him having a duet with Whitney Houston. Right. right but were her But it's actually really good. and It's really good. good. Really, really good. what i I'm so curious what her thoughts were in going to the studio to record that. I mean, i can't even imagine. but and and And for anybody who doesn't know, there's even there was another Iglesias that tried to have a singing career. His brother Julio.
00:45:48
Speaker
That's right, Julio Iglesias Jr. Yeah, that didn't really work so well. No, yeah I had completely forgotten until you said that. Yeah, it's, it's that one that one can go back to the the Latin music band of history along with the one album that Oscar De La Hoya put out in the ninety Oh my God. If you really want to get into the deep.
00:46:09
Speaker
and wow yeah and if you And if you've never Oscar De La Hoya, yes, I am talking about The Fighter. If you i do not know what I'm talking about, you can Google him on, and you can put it in YouTube. I don't remember the name of the song off the top of my head, but there's a music video for one of his songs too.
00:46:23
Speaker
Holy shit. Crazy. That is crazy. The 90s, everything was possible in the 90s, like late 90s, early two thousand You could do anything. You want to a singer? Sure. Be singer. Yeah.
00:46:33
Speaker
We gotcha. ah We gotcha. Just stand there. Just stand there. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I mean, all that said, I, you know, I love Enrique.
00:46:44
Speaker
and I love Addison. Yes. love Addison. Say it again. i love Addison. we're we We're not a hater here. Although, you know what's funny? Like, i I've been thinking a lot about lately. that There's been so much content online ah focusing on Katy Perry focusing on Madonna's face focusing on Pamela Anderson's face it's just I and i think that's part of where like just the last couple of weeks I've been kind of really down right and I think that that's part of it is that like social media has gotten to a point where we are just tearing down
00:47:16
Speaker
everything.
Social Media and Pop Culture Criticism
00:47:17
Speaker
And that's why I just don't, i I have my critiques. I have things that I like and dislike. I try so hard to be sensitive about when I talk about it because just because my taste is something does not mean it's good or bad.
00:47:32
Speaker
Absolutely. But I think that there's also, and I don't think that anybody really talks about this. I do believe that there is a correlation between the intenseness at which we are talking about people like Katy Perry and all Madonna and all these other pop stars With the tone about in this country, how we talk about women in general and what we do to women in this country. And I think that that is one of the strongest correlations to me, at least now, because it's like the veracity or the ferocity rather that in which we sort of.
00:48:05
Speaker
attack feels crazier. There's like a mob mentality on it, you know, with online that feels like when you talk about women's issues in politics, it's the same like energy around it. And I'm like, that shouldn't be. So like, I feel like there's something happening in the country when, and just in general with women.
00:48:23
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Because the thing is, so I haven't talked about this with anyone actually. So this is this an exclusive. um But I actually lost a long-term, long-time follower um over a fight about Katy Perry. And I know that sounds so silly, but here's the thing.
00:48:40
Speaker
This particular person, as we followed each other for years. We've DMed. We've thirsted after one ah another plenty of times. It's been one of those types of situation. i don't want to call it a situationship, not a situationship, but like just one of those interactions. Right. right um But especially over the last year or so, this person was kind of a little bit hell-bent and any time something Katy Perry related came up would message me and talk about how much he hated her.
00:49:11
Speaker
I am not Katy Perry's number one fan. Okay. I yeah i like Katy Perry. I enjoy a lot of her music. I even have some potential hot takes on 143 and now that that's um almost been a year.
00:49:23
Speaker
um But me saying that it's the album of the decade. No, just kidding.
00:49:29
Speaker
But I'll get to that in a second. but um It's a ray of light. it's hoay Exactly. Speaking of people's ray of lights, let's get into it. Oh my God. No, but he would go out of his way to message me about it. And so obviously we've all seen the viral clips of the tour and all of these things.
00:49:48
Speaker
And I said to him, I was like, I'm going to be honest with you. I was like, it really bothers me that you go out of your way to let me know how much you hate her. Right. I was like, I was like, I can appreciate that you don't like her.
00:50:03
Speaker
You're acting as if I post about her as if she's the best thing since sliced bread. I go, I don't really give much attention to Katy Perry. But it's weird behavior. It's really i'm sorry if weird behavior.
00:50:15
Speaker
Madonna, I think, actually said it once where it's it's something i'm going to paraphrase where it's like, if you're still like up on everything that I'm doing and following every move that I make, bitch, you're a fan. Even if you hate what I'm doing, you're still a fan. That's fan behavior.
00:50:27
Speaker
Yeah. like To hate somebody and still be so obsessed with knowing everything that's going on with them, I just don't understand bringing that into your life. Right. And I was, and this is where, like, I've said it multiple times on on Instagram. I've said it multiple times on here now. It's like when you invest so much time and energy into something that you allegedly don't like, what is your life? Right. what ah You know what I'm saying? Like, like this isn't your job.
00:50:50
Speaker
you're not you're not having You're not having to clock in and and and be writing articles about her. Right. Like, I was like, you work in a hospital. Right. Like, what are you doing? Like, what are you doing messaging me all the time? So we got into this huge fight about it.
00:51:06
Speaker
And I finally was like, listen, like, i I can't do this. Right. I was like, I, and, and I, I said this the other day too. I was like, you know, I'm seeing so many people message me.
00:51:18
Speaker
i was like, you're not impressing me by telling me when you make, when you mock someone. Right. The only time I feel like anyone is deserving of being mocked is if they are truly an atrocious person like anyone from our administration or any one of his supporters, right? Right.
00:51:35
Speaker
um or There's tons of musicians that you could dislike. Yeah. Right. There's no shortage. Yeah. And I am not saying that Katy Perry is without fault. She's clearly done questionable things. She has made some poor choices. yeah And she needs to be...
00:51:51
Speaker
Needs to be held ah accountable to that to a degree. Right. To a degree. But she is not doing much different than... Put this energy towards Morgan Wallen.
00:52:01
Speaker
Right, right. Put this energy towards some... Anyone else. Like, the fact that you... I don't know. It's really bizarre behavior to see people react the way to Katy Perry, the way that they do.
00:52:14
Speaker
And I will go on record right now and say that I think that the Lifetime's tour looks absolutely phenomenal because I actually watched a video of the tour that's not from a super silly cropped angle of her her on the floor where you just see her being goofy, performing the way that she always has. But I was going to say, and that's the other thing. So here's here's the problem with...
00:52:35
Speaker
the internet, social media, and the lack of nuance now. And it's like, if you have not learned that anything that is on social media can be edited, duped, clipped out, zoomed in, zoomed out, whatever, i don't know what to tell you. And i it you sharing this, like everybody sharing the exact same clip from one moment in a two hour long concert doesn't negate or make a bad concert. Like, and again, I'm not,
00:53:02
Speaker
I'm not trying to sit here and defend her like she needs me to defend her that I'm even such a huge Katy Perry stan, but it's like, I also watched the same video that you did and I and i put it on my big TV and I streamed the whole thing and I'm like, this tour looks like so much fun. The set list is phenomenal. The dancers are phenomenal.
00:53:20
Speaker
The screens look great. The costumes are lit. But but Since her coming out, like when she first began, she has always been quirky, left of center, and always doing like the most random, which I guess the kids would call cringe thing now.
00:53:36
Speaker
She's been cringe her entire career. Nothing has changed. And so that's why when people are like, woman's world is so, this is so. And I'm like, you have lost the nuance for satire. Yeah. This is the woman who was shooting whipped cream out of her tits in the music video for California Girls. And now you're looking at her being like, this isn't the most serious pop song I've ever heard. It's terrible. And I'm like, look, I do not. Is it the best song I've ever heard? No.
00:54:00
Speaker
Do I love it? No. But it's. Is it very Katy Perry? A hundred percent. Yeah. It's fun. It's tongue in cheek. Like I need y'all to understand new ones. Like open the schools, open the schools. And I have to give her huge props because this is one of my favorite things about any sort of pop concert that the reworked versions of her songs that she did for this tour are amazing.
00:54:21
Speaker
absolutely insane correct in saying specifically that I kissed a girl remix that they do do we know who her musical director is because I don't know no i actually tried i just tried googling this the other day and I could not figure it out um it's not credited so I have no idea but whoever is the musical director for Katy Perry not only on this tour but her previous tours like shout out to you because I i there's nothing more than I love than when a pop star remixes their songs for right performances right I love it. Even if it's like, ah you know, she does like dance versions of California girls and teenage dream, right?
00:54:58
Speaker
They stay true to the original. It's not like they sound vastly different, but she does it in a style to match the essence of the tour that she's giving. Right. And you know what I have?
00:55:09
Speaker
I, you know one part that i really appreciated too, and I thought that this was brilliant. The fact that she incorporated Jennifer pages crush into her own crush. Yes.
00:55:20
Speaker
That type of shit. Yes. That makes me hard. And we're back. And we're back. Like that kind of stuff. Cause like, it's just, that's, that is,
00:55:32
Speaker
that is she kind of get whether it's her or her team or whomever like that is where like the dance pop of it all yes like you want to please people and the fans like that's what you do right that's yeah that's kind of because this whole concert is supposed to be like a one big dj set dance video game type of thing so i thought that was really well done And i I will say, too, like the first time I saw her was right when i think I Kissed a Girl came out or maybe it was like it was somewhere around the first album. And she did a small show because she wasn't that big of a pop star yet at Irving Plaza here in New York.
00:56:08
Speaker
And she ran around that small stage with energy like I've never seen. There was not a huge budget, but she played. played guitar. She played piano. She played, I want to say she played a horn and instrument too.
00:56:22
Speaker
um And maybe even percussion. Like she was all over that stage making it work. And I was like, that was what made me first love her. And I was like oh, wow. Not only is she giving me fun pop music, but the girl can play.
00:56:33
Speaker
The girl can do like, she's okay. Like I'm here for it. Songwriter, let's do the whole thing. And again, when I see her post a picture with a cyber truck, do I groan and be like, girl, read the room? ah hundred percent.
00:56:44
Speaker
Yeah. You know, and it's like there are lots of questionable. I feel like she had also got she was under flack for supporting somebody for mayor of l L.A. that was not a good candidate either. Oh, yeah. It was some I forget. it was some billionaire, former former Republican running as a Democrat. Right.
00:57:00
Speaker
it I don't remember. forget who that I because because. the name, Casero, something? No, that's not right. Something like that. Yeah. yeah Some person. Right. But it's like, so I get that and I totally understand that. And I get like, like, again, you know, they all make weird choices. They are just humans.
00:57:19
Speaker
They are. And I think it's really important to also note that the girlies that we love that seemingly don't do anything problematic because we love them so much are also making weird problematic decisions and probably have some sort of, I don't want to say alliances, but like they are wealthy people too, right? Right, right.
00:57:38
Speaker
so And also like I have a hard time, especially because of where we are in current times, to look at someone like Katy Perry and look at her tour and look at the people that she employs and everything else and be like,
00:57:51
Speaker
This is somebody who is clearly an ally to our community. Like, it's not even a question. Like, she's always been very, right. Like, even even as cringe as I Kissed a Girl was in the You're So Gay tracks in the early years.
00:58:04
Speaker
Mm-hmm. It's just not a question. She supported us. She's talked about us. She's performed at Pride events. She's done whatever. Like, what I'm not going to do is attack someone who supports us.
00:58:16
Speaker
Yeah. I don't have to like her music. I do. But, i you know, like, it's you don't you don't have to be the person that listens to it You don't have to support her. You don't have to applaud her. You don't have to do anything.
00:58:27
Speaker
But the idea that you're going to severely attack this woman, I don't know. It just it feels misguided to me. There's too much yeah other things in the world that you could be doing. bring Dylan Efron on here. Misguided. Right.
00:58:40
Speaker
um Right. right ah Yeah. I just, I just don't get it. And so I, you know, i just, and it doesn't have to be anything bigger than that. What that is. Right. Like, it's like, if you don't like her.
00:58:53
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. cool why Why are we making it a personality trait? like Right, right, right. right it's you know or if I don't know. It's just that's that's my thing is that you know i I don't like when people go on tirades like that. so Look, it isn' easier it is easier to promote what you love than to bash what you hate.
00:59:14
Speaker
Yeah. Because all the energy that you're putting into Katy Perry, you could be standing for your other girl. If you don't like Katy and you want to stand Addison Rae, go ahead and do that. right Do all of that and put all your energy there and give the girl that you love her support. You don't need to support and and and tear down other women. It's not necessary.
00:59:31
Speaker
Not necessary Especially because it's the most it's always the white gays that are the worst with this too. Yeah. I'm like, y'all, you really make us look bad. Yeah. Like, come on, come on, come on community. Right. come together Like, come on, like these girls love us and they support us and we're their fan base. You know, like it's again, you don't have to support it, but I just don't understand the the the blind hatred.
00:59:51
Speaker
Yeah, because there's a lot of – I've been seeing a lot of too, like again, with like the Met Gala and a lot of people criticizing Madonna's face. And I'm like, okay, y'all were just critiquing her for having to what you felt was too many fillers or her too much plastic surgery, whatever it was that you felt like she had too much of.
01:00:11
Speaker
Now that it's dissolved or that it's rested, now suddenly she's old. Madonna is going to be 67 years old this year. What like what are we talking about? Like we are, first of all, how lucky are we to have her be alive and well and making appearances still and making music and touring and all of these things?
01:00:34
Speaker
How lucky are we? Because there are, so her peers are not with us for the most part. Right. Anymore. Right. Yeah. but and two But she said it too. They won't appreciate her until she's dead.
01:00:47
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Correct. Right. Correct.
Aging, Surgery, and Public Perception
01:00:50
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And, and that, but then on the flip side, it's like, you see people then also critiquing Pamela Anderson. Well, you, see both. I see critiquing and praising right her for quote unquote aging gracefully. And I'm like, these women cannot win. Right.
01:01:06
Speaker
And that's what there's there's a really good share clip about this too, where where um I think it was Jane Pauly in like the 90s or early two thousand s I think it was like living proof era. They were like, um she asked her, she's like, you know, you've had work done on your face. And she was like, yes.
01:01:20
Speaker
And she's like, do you feel that you've gone too far? And she goes, no. She was like, it's nobody's business, but my own. If I want to put my tits on my back, back nobody can tell me otherwise. And it's like, but but she even says like, if I don't, then it's like, oh, poor Cher. Have you seen her? She looks so terrible. And if she does something, then it's just like, oh, look what she did to herself. It's like, what there is no winning.
01:01:42
Speaker
And again, we only do this to women. Stop it. Just stop it. Like, it's okay. I don't care if Madonna comes out tomorrow and she decides to turn her face into a werewolf. If that's what she wants to do, girl, fucking do it.
01:01:54
Speaker
Right. Oh, my God. Serve us, Wolfman. Confessions from a wolf woman. Oh, my God. yeah It's just, it's like, calm down, you guys. Like, let's put our energy into stuff that actually matters. It's just pop music.
01:02:09
Speaker
It's just pop music. It's just pop music.
01:02:14
Speaker
Damn. A moment for the realization. i Yeah. Yep. Just like, wow. Just like looking at my entire life. Like, oh, it's just pop music. Yeah. that ah Well, I mean. Yeah.
01:02:30
Speaker
I'm just like thinking. just like, I'm like, wow, what an episode. Right, right, right. This went all over the place. It really did. It really did. And I wanted to mention, like, I know that we haven't seen it yet.
01:02:41
Speaker
Cowboy Carter tour started. Nope. Not yet. I cannot wait. I actually, I played just played um Jolene in my most recent dj run with DJ ride with Robin because I was like, we need to talk about Cowboy Carter.
01:02:52
Speaker
ah Fun. is that a Is that a cycling class? Yeah. I need to take it because I've been doing more cycling classes. Okay. yeah Love. I've been doing more cycling classes lately. I've been doing about three a week.
01:03:03
Speaker
And um I haven't done one of hers yet. Yeah. i do I do Robin's core class. I do at least one core class. Her you Next time you tell her, yeah yeah i can thank my abs to her. Right. Because holy smokes. Her core classes and Emma Lovewell's core classes are like silly. She has a whole like core program called Crush Your Core. It's like ridiculous.
01:03:21
Speaker
Oh my God. And yeah there's like one part and i always I always laugh at her about it and I always bring it up because she's like on her back. She's got her arms in the air and her legs up in the air and she's doing what they call a dead bug, which is yeah very, very difficult.
01:03:32
Speaker
And I tried to do it and she's doing it and she's singing Janet Jackson the whole time. And I'm like, girl, I can't even breathe. My whole body is shaking. Yeah. Yeah. And she's just like, and I think um'm like
01:03:46
Speaker
I love that. Yeah. Yeah. i I, famously on my lunch breaks do a core class.
Concert Experiences and Setlists
01:03:52
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from Oh, work. um And we are not sponsored. Right.
01:03:56
Speaker
We're not sponsored. um But i yeah, I love them. And. No, you're going to love this. There's a, there's a version that I played that just came out on Armada um records of cry for you. The September cover.
01:04:09
Speaker
Ooh. It is. This version by it's the the cat dealers is so good. okay i will I will probably play this one for eternity, unfortunately. Sorry, September. You'll still get the money, but it's, this one is so good. You're going love it.
01:04:22
Speaker
I cannot wait. Oh my gosh. That's going to so good. But you've mentioned Jolene, Cowboy Carter tour. looks phenomenal. Well, so let me, let me ask you then before you go see a tour, are you somebody who wants to know the set list? Do you want to know everything?
01:04:37
Speaker
you know i used to be the person ah used to be the person that hmm that's a good question i'm at the point now where i don't necessarily care if it's spoiled per se because being there in person you seeing it online does not equate to experiencing in person correct um And I am such a slut for like a ah ah wonderfully put together set list that the a lot of times I like can can't wait to like see what people do. Especially when it's someone like Beyonce or Madonna or Kylie or Gaga. And, you know, I i love to see like, oh, what are they going to
01:05:15
Speaker
um So, yes, I spoiled myself. However, like it it kind of depends like. i if i know i'm going like i don't think i'm gonna be able to see cowboy carter this time um but if if i know i'm going sometimes i'm like i want to avoid spoilers right now so i kind of feel the same way but like i i actually said this in class too and i was like i don't i don't ever really want to know but i feel like so when the renaissance tour happened we decided because the tickets were so expensive in new jersey that if we were gonna go
01:05:47
Speaker
we were probably just gonna go to a different country and get better seats. So that's what we did when we went to the UK. And I think we saw like the fifth show of re Renaissance, which was early enough that the mute challenge wasn't really as... People weren't muting. Right. it wasn't it I wasn't muting. Like I have a video of myself where she's just like, everybody on mute. And now i'm like, yes, bitch! And I'm like, oh I'm so letting her down. yeah Yeah. But so that's why I'm like, for this tour, I kind of want to see because I don't want to be caught out there.
01:06:16
Speaker
Just in case there's another moment. and Right. yeah Yeah. Because I kind of feel the same way that especially like when I saw Kylie seeing the clips of it online and then being there, I was like, this is nothing like what I saw online.
01:06:29
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. um I mean, so are you familiar with the set list? I am familiar with the set list. Yes. I'm very excited. And so, well, we can confirm that she's been switching it up. Yes. A little bit.
01:06:42
Speaker
Yes. Well, just like Kylie has been. Yeah, she's been switching it it up a little bit. So I'm kind of like, okay, mama's doing stuff. I saw because the beehive is absolutely psychotic and I love them so much that somebody was saying that when you look at the dates, I think on her website, there's like, it's like a picture of a star, like so a shape of a star and that's like a photo of her for this date and then a photo of her for this date.
01:07:04
Speaker
And they were saying that while all of the photos appear to be different for the most part, there are some dates where the photos are the same. And they're saying that whatever those photos are, there's a specific set list for those photos.
01:07:18
Speaker
There's a specific set photo up for this photo, for this photo. And like each one means that there's going to be different set lists, different variances. And i'm like, I don't know if that's true. I have no idea. But I'm like, that sounds like something Beyonce would do. And I love the beehive for noticing.
01:07:32
Speaker
ah Right. And ah that that would be insane because this tour, I mean, nothing that Beyonce does is just, you know, small scale and like, just like Renaissance, this tour, i this tour looks like it has taken levels up from Renaissance and just from the staging to, I don't want to like give too many spoilers away for people that haven't seen it yet, but like just, yeah, it looks insane.
01:07:59
Speaker
I feel like this is going to be the most patriotic I'm going to feel. Yep. Yeah. Absolutely. yeah Absolutely. She's going to be in Chicago this week. I looked at ticket prices.
01:08:11
Speaker
I don't think I'm going to be able go. Even if you sit in the parking lot with Solange. you know like Even if you do like It doesn't even matter. like Just to be there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Because I know that she plays Saturday next week.
01:08:24
Speaker
um There was a thick a Thursday night one and i was like, oh, then I have to like take off work and and get there and like blah, blah, blah. So we'll see. we'll see if i if if We'll see how I'm feeling next weekend. Girl, this concert is meant for your wardrobe.
01:08:35
Speaker
I know. Like, what do you mean? Like, if anybody needs to go, you need to go. i know. bought a pair of cowboy boots at a consignment store in Joshua Tree. It's got to be like three or four years ago. I have never them. I have finally found the reason why to wear them. This the time. This is it. Yeah, so I'm very excited.
01:08:54
Speaker
When are you guys going? ah I'm not even sure. I have to look at the date. I feel like she's going to be here a lot, but I feel like ours is on like a random day. Like, it's not the weekend. I think it's like a Tuesday or Wednesday. I don't even remember.
01:09:05
Speaker
I have to look. I feel like i have tickets for so many things at this point. I'm like. Right. I know. Everyone's going. Okay. After this year, pause all touring for the next five years. Please. Like, I need a minute.
01:09:17
Speaker
We need minute. Right. Like, let us let us breathe. Because I still, and i the only one that I need to see I feel like left that I haven't at this point is Kelly Clarkson. And did she just start a residency? A residency, yeah right?
01:09:31
Speaker
And I'm like, in in Vegas. Of course. Right. yeah But I'm like, that's, she's the only one I think that's left that I really haven't seen that I want to, I mean, I didn't see Charlie, unfortunately, when she was here because I was away, but yeah I would love to see her, but I feel like every one of her tours is going to be lit. So I'll get to her.
01:09:45
Speaker
Right. but Yeah. But I have never seen Kelly live in and that's, I need to do that. Yeah. ah Kelly's, Kelly's a good concert. She's good. I would die. Yeah. yeah like Yeah. I saw her in 2005 2000.
01:10:00
Speaker
I saw her... ah it was when she was promoting Breakaway. It was the behind... or it was the Hazel Eyes tour iteration of it. And i was like 15th row.
01:10:12
Speaker
She saw me jumping up and down. She was singing Gone. Not since you've been gone, but Gone. oh work. I love that song. And I love that song too. And I was like jumping up and down. And she saw me, pointed at me, started laughing, and started jumping with me. And I was like...
01:10:24
Speaker
She knows me. I love. It was so much fun. She's amazing. my God. Yeah, she is. Well, John Michael, it's come to the point of the show where we love to highlight a song we don't talk about enough. It could be a deep cut, a bonus track maybe, maybe a remix.
01:10:44
Speaker
Do you have a song that we don't talk about enough? I'm going to keep it Miss Cowboy Carter. Oh, love. Yes. um Because I don't know what made me think of this song the other day. And I think it was actually the music video, which I wish that there was a full music video for.
01:10:59
Speaker
But the one that I feel like from the earlier part of the catalog, and I went back and forth because I actually had two that I kind of feel this way about. um Love. But I'm going to land on Kitty Cat by Beyonce.
01:11:10
Speaker
I fucking love this song. I am obsessed that you even mentioned it. It's because literally yesterday i was texting my friend Camille. She had texted me something.
01:11:24
Speaker
And I responded with, he said, and then the lyrics to Kitty Cat. Well, because I was like walking around in my brain and I'm just going, what about my body, body? What about my body, body? and Oh my gosh. But it's that video. when i When I bought that DVD collection of the the visual album for B-Day, that by the time that I got to Kitty Cat, because I think it's Kitty Cat and then it goes into green light.
01:11:48
Speaker
Yeah, Because it's like a little bit of kitty cat and then it just goes into the full video for Greenlight. By those two songs, I was like, oh, she's got me for life. For life. Not even
Unsolved Mysteries in Music
01:11:56
Speaker
a question. Like, I love Crazy and Love and all the others, but this, I was 100% sold.
01:12:01
Speaker
so good yeah i remember the outfits oh yeah because when she released the video album for b-day she was already like maybe four singles into the album and i think this is she did this in conjunction with the the deluxe re-release they did right with like beautiful liar and the spanish one and i Yep. And I think I remember her saying that she was like, we had eight days to film eight music videos. So she filmed like Beautiful Liar, Sugar Mama, Freak Em Dress, Get Me Body. I love Sugar Mama.
01:12:35
Speaker
So good. I feel like all of the things that I love from that era are not the singles. Right. Same. Right. Like everything that is not a single are probably my favorite Beyonce. Because even like even though it was a single and this was the other one I was going to go back and forth on, um I love Check On It.
01:12:52
Speaker
And I would rather hear Check on it than Crazy in Love. Yeah. Hot take. Yeah. yeah do do ah Do you follow DeAndre Upshaw by chance? I don't think so.
01:13:03
Speaker
He – I followed him through my friend Jesse Chambliss, and he has been doing reels lately. And TikToks. Talking about different like R&B and pop culture type stuff.
01:13:18
Speaker
And talked about the fan theory that Check On It actually features Kelly Rowland's vocals on the second verse of the song. oh So when you listen to the second verse of Check On It, the first part of the second verse...
01:13:33
Speaker
listen closely, it sounds a lot like Kelly Rowland. Girl, I'm going to throw this through my system and pull stems. I'll listen to it real quick. Yeah. And ah there it's it's even more theorized because it's on the Destiny's Child's Greatest Hits album.
01:13:49
Speaker
And when Slim Thug is at the beginning, he goes, D, C, Destiny's Child. yeah So people thought that it was actually supposed to be a Destiny's Child song. And therefore, but then it got reworked to being a Beyonce solo single because I think that they then tied that in with Pink Panther. Right, right. But i would I would think that they were doing at least backing vocals, no?
01:14:11
Speaker
At that time? don't know. I don't know. I'm going to find out because after I get out of this, I'm going to try to make stems. Yeah. And so when he brought that up, I was like, I forgot about this. And I was like, yeah, was like, yeah, remember that being a thing.
01:14:23
Speaker
Oh, my. Okay. Yeah. I'm here that. Yes. Yes, it's yes, yes. Okay, my turn. um What am I going to pick? I had one the other day that I was like, oh, yeah, this is going to be a really good thing.
01:14:36
Speaker
uh good one to talk about and of course that like goes right through my brain hold on let me see if i can pull it up on my recently played stuff let's see am gonna go oh my gosh there's so much that i could talk about um Hmm.
01:14:54
Speaker
This is not what I was going to talk about, but I was listening to there's a new 98 Degrees album out. No. Yeah. I didn't even know. Half of it is like re-recordings of their old singles. Okay.
01:15:04
Speaker
Like they're doing the the Taylor Swift like 98 Degrees version. Right, right, right. um i do I do have a 98 Degrees song that we don't talk about enough, but I'll save that for another episode. I love that. Oh my God. But, um, one of, one of the songs was produced, uh, was produced by Dave Audet.
01:15:18
Speaker
Oh. And so, yeah, not, it's not a dance song though. yeah So, um, but I was like, okay, get, look at Mr. Audet getting into his pop, pop, uh, production era. I love that. Okay. I'm going to go with something really random.
01:15:31
Speaker
Um, which one do what I want to do okay I'm gonna do this one I'm gonna do this one um there was a song in 1997 by a famous girl group at the time they had just become a trio so and I know where this is going and it's a song by En Vogue called whatever oh that's not where I thought this was going oh Let me tell you what. This song had a choke hold on me as a 12-year-old.
01:16:03
Speaker
i This music video is as directed by Matthew Ralston. um They are... i don't even know what the... I mean, it looks like that this, like...
01:16:15
Speaker
I don't know how to describe it, but it's just like this like hyper colorful, like spa type of medical procedure type of music video. They kind of look like witches.
01:16:26
Speaker
um And the song is just so sexy. I want to say this is one of the few songs that they worked with. uh there i forget the name of other producers they had like a producer ah duo with them that's similar to timmy jimmy jam and terry lewis but it was not them no no no this is baby that song is baby baby face babyface yes okay that's what i was gonna say and so um it has like this really sexy beat i don't know how to describe it other than it's kind of has like a beepy sound it's like boom boom boom
01:16:58
Speaker
um And people are going be like, wow. Wow, nailed it, nailed it. Nailed it. But it's like that, that, boom, boom, boom, boom. and it And it's just so the melodies are really good. Their vocals are just so, it's, the song was like a moderate hit, but it is not kind of revered as a classic the way that their early 90s stuff is.
01:17:21
Speaker
and Well, but this is the album with Don't Let Go on it. So I feel like that overshadowed everything. It did, yeah. And so, I mean, justice for whatever. I think they performed it at the MTV Movie Awards 1997 when that was like a big thing still.
01:17:36
Speaker
um Yeah, it's an iconic song. there there I feel like I could easily do a whole episode on En Vogue. Love and Vogue. Yeah. I mean, I know we've talked about this before, but one little riddle, two little three little four little riddle, five little six little eleven little riddle.
01:17:54
Speaker
It is so good. Yeah, that's where like the delay in the recording comes in. We're like, oh wait are we on? ah We're on? We're on? No, we're off. real I'm going to need you to line that up for the edit. Right. Oh my gosh.
01:18:06
Speaker
but Yeah. Yeah, no. And I see, and they' they've been on tour recently too. And I'm like, that is somebody I would like to see. as well they performed in grand rapids for pride a few years back uh they performed what was it it was like 2017 or 2018 they headlined here amazing it was them them and betty who work yeah good it was so fun betty who i remember her she like walked by me i like waved to her and she like did like this like a little like mom yes i was like oh she's so sweet um and then add new music coming too
01:18:38
Speaker
She does. Yeah. Very exciting. um Oh, we should ask and Betty who friend of the pod. You should come on the podcast. Betty who come on the podcast. I would love to sit there and talk to you for an hour about everything.
01:18:48
Speaker
I want to hear, I want the full hour to be dedicated to her song. Whisper. Yes.
01:18:58
Speaker
i um But I need, I need, I need part of the episode to be devoted to one of us. One of us. Just saying. It is. that That is probably my favorite song in her discography.
01:19:10
Speaker
And then another part of the episode to talk all about Z Machine behind his back about what he was like as a classmate at Berkeley. oo Oh, the real tea. ah The real tea. Oh, no. Not tea machine. Right. Tea machine. Oh, my God.
01:19:26
Speaker
obsessed. ah That would be so fun. No, I would love i would love that. Betty, we love you. We love you, Betty. But, yeah, no, it was her and and Vogue. and And Vogue was fantastic. right and But it was funny. there was like in the middle of their set. They were like,
01:19:43
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do y'all want to hear a new song? And it was kind of funny with people. It was like, not really, but okay. yeah Okay. But they didn't even do like, it's like they didn't do whatever. And I'm like, I would have loved to have heard whatever. Right.
01:19:56
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Like they did all their classics, but I was like, whatever, don't pay it dirt. It was a ah moderately successful single and you should have done it. And I will say though, Whatever has maybe some of the worst remixes I've ever heard.
01:20:10
Speaker
Are they even online? They're not online. was going to say, I don't think they're online. A lot of them are like unofficially uploaded to YouTube. Tawa T did one. um There were several like R&B hip hop remixes. Nothing. It's one of those songs where it's like,
01:20:26
Speaker
The original is so good that it is really hard to match that energy. I think we've talked up about this before. um And nothing, I don't know. I felt felt like people were maybe scared to go there, quote unquote. I don't know where there is, but yeah. I think that happens with certain artists because i was there was a ah legendary artist that I was talking to somebody about. don't want to get too in the weeds about it. And I know this is going to be a terrible story because I can't really talk about it because it's sort of work-related.
01:20:55
Speaker
But it was an iconic artist that somebody was just like, oh, you know, if you've ever had an idea for a remix, you know, like, let us know. And the idea, while the opportunity is amazing, and who knows if it would actually happen, I, the idea of remixing this specific artist was so daunting that I'm like, I feel like this is one of those things where like, you kind of got to leave the original alone.
01:21:15
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Oh, sure. it's it's It just might be too hard to top some of the originals, and I don't want to be that person. so Right. I'd be lambasted on the internet for it. but Right, yeah. Yeah, but no, it's... man Off mic. Off mic, tell me. Yeah, I will. i
Closing Thoughts and Celebrations
01:21:29
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Sorry, everybody. Sorry.
01:21:31
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But yeah. I love that. ah Well, I'm excited for this episode to go out. Happy Mother's Day. We recorded this on Mother's Day. So happy Mother's Day to all of our mamas and all of the are all of the mothers who continue to mother. Right.
01:21:45
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Go stream Mama by the Spice Girls for clear skin. Literally. oh my God. ah I'm going to. Yes, me too. And maybe shed a tear or two. Love that.
01:21:55
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Well, until next time, everyone have a wonderful day, night, weekend, whatever. bye