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Baths, Boonton & Buca di Beppo: Chris & Fax Attend AEW's Full Gear
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This week Chris and Garrett are joined by the long lost Jimmy Fax! Chris and Fax attended Full Gear but you better believe they made a pit stop in Boonton, NJ for JCW first!
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Transcript
Introductions and Bath Time Debate
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and join me as always, Chris Miggs, and a very special guest, a very clean guest, Jimmy Fax. That's right, I literally just took a bath, as I told you guys, fresh out of the bathtub about an hour ago. Cleanest I've ever been for one of our recordings. I'm super excited to be back. I don't like when people try and make me feel weird for enjoying a bath.
00:01:06
Speaker
and for whatever reason people feel like it's like a feminine thing like a man can enjoy a fine bath and like what what especially with modern technology i put a show on i got some bubbles throw a bath bomb in there uh and you know what you can call it feminine you know what show i was watching i was watching the red zone channel nfl
00:01:26
Speaker
You know, I think that's pretty manly to soap up, get clean while watching, you know, the Cincinnati Bengals try to come from behind on the Steelers.
The Shower-to-Bath Transition
00:01:40
Speaker
What you Chris, how you bathe?
00:01:44
Speaker
I took a shower this morning. Yeah. But are you a bath guy? Are you a bath boy? Every now and then I like it. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll give you a trick here. Um, if you've got a bath, one of the things you can do, if you're not sure if you're going to take one, you know, you started a shower and then you decide, you just, you just stop the water from going down. You just let it wash over you. You know what I mean? You let it, you let it fall over. You like rain.
00:02:09
Speaker
You know, that's nice. That can be a really nice experience. Well, and that's like if you've got an extra extra filth going. Right. You kind of got to start that way because you don't want to just be sitting in your own fill. Right. So it's like you kind of start with the shower, even with the drain on for the first like two or three minutes. Then you go the next two or three minutes with the drain closed, but a normal shower. And then you transition to the laying down really luxuriate on it.
Marilyn Manson's Cribs Appearance
00:02:39
Speaker
Well, speaking of people taking baths and also people who should have to fight a deathmatch wrestler to maybe get back in our good graces. When I think of baths, I think of an episode of MTV Cribs with John Five, Marilyn Manson's guitarist at the time.
00:02:56
Speaker
And Marilyn, he's walking through his house and then he opens the bathroom door and Marilyn Manson is taking a shit in his home. And Marilyn Manson says, you're out of toilet paper. Should I just take a bath? I like that Marilyn Manson solution is the same solution that like parents have with a toddler where you're like, I guess I'll just wash them.
00:03:25
Speaker
I can't quite get him clean the other way. I just put him in the bath.
Wrestling Matchups with Marilyn Manson
00:03:30
Speaker
Facts, what deathmatch wrestler would you make Marilyn Manson go up against for the consideration of the people to be uncancelled? You're not uncancelled. I mean, honestly, most of these people, probably not getting uncancelled, but we get the joy of seeing them bleed.
00:03:46
Speaker
Well, I would say, you know, my current favorite, and it's been for a little while, is, you know, the hybrid between the deathmatch and Mexican lucha libre style. So I think it's my favorite luchador, El Schwacko. I thought you were, you know what, I thought you were going to say like, I'm really liking the Mexican deathmatch style. So I'm going to send Kevin Spacey down to Zona 23. He's got to go to the junkyard before he can be in a movie again.
00:04:16
Speaker
He needs to go to the junkyard before he can ride public transportation again. He's got to take that spot that Miedo Extremo took yesterday where his head just gets slammed into thumbtacks, such that he just comes up with five or so thumbtacks in his head.
00:04:36
Speaker
I'm here for it, that's nasty, that's yucky, that's something that I do wanna see. I was messaging with our friend Matt over the weekend and he was telling me that we should do the, he wants to see Alex Cologne go up against Armie Hammer. Ooh. That's a strong match there. Okay. You know what though would be great though, especially cause he's become a red state guy anyway.
Beastman's Birthday Dinner Prediction
00:05:04
Speaker
is you just have because any of these guys would be like I would gladly take like five minutes of pain or even 30 minutes of pain to kind of have my life back but like make them really live with these people so take Louis CK and say he's got to do a full road trip with Beastman
00:05:23
Speaker
He's got to hit up the Buffalo Wild Wings. He's got to do the barn. He's going to do a VCW show in a high school gym. But it's like you got to spend several days. You got to stay where the wrestlers stay. You got to eat what the wrestlers eat. You know, Kevin Spacey, like we're we're I'm sorry, Louis C.K. In my example, like he's going to be creaming himself for those Buffalo Wild Wings at the end of the tour. He's got to get he's got to smell what the wrestlers shit. Yeah.
00:05:53
Speaker
Speaking of what Beastman's eating, as we record the, hey, Happy Thanksgiving, by the way, but as we record this, it is Beastwoman's birthday, and Beastman is out to dinner as of three hours ago. Where
Culinary Delights in Bhutan, NJ
00:06:10
Speaker
do you think Beastman took her? So it's her birthday, they're recently engaged, so this is the, it's a big birthday.
00:06:24
Speaker
I mean, the fact that you're giving to us implies it's a place we could choose. So it's not going to be some random like steakhouse we've never heard of. So I'm going to say it's going to be a Chili's. Chris, I have I have two options here. One of which.
00:06:46
Speaker
just feels like the perfectly random, which is a bonefish grill. Ever been to one of those? It's like strip mall seafood, and you're like, why? And the other option, because ultimately, this is a romantic place full of options, and when you've just gotten engaged, you wanna open up the options to your world. You're about to say Cheesecake Factory. Would be the Cheesecake Factory, yes.
00:07:16
Speaker
When you say options, there's nowhere to provide you with more. He is currently in Pittsburgh at Buca de Beppo. Oh, all right. Nice job, Beastman. Yeah, that's what I thought. We apologize for underrating you. Yeah.
00:07:35
Speaker
Well, but you know what their deal there is, right? Like you have you guys have been to one where I remember once going to one in Universal Studios Hollywood and they I'd never been to one before and I was there with my mother and they explained like I was like, I'll have this she'll have that. They're like, no, it's like family size. So like just the two of you should order one thing and maybe an appetizer like you'll be good. We're like, no, sir.
00:08:02
Speaker
And it's just this ridiculous amount of food, but I can kind of imagine that where Beastman is just ordering like triple entrees, even though they're all family size. There's giant meatballs they have.
00:08:15
Speaker
They tell you to you can just split something and then he smashes the table with a bone. No, do you think facts next time if if Bhutan if Beastman comes back to Bhutan, we could maybe just do you think we could like get an interview with him by bringing him New Jersey's best barbecue like bringing him a platter of barbecue and being like, hey, let's hang out.
00:08:36
Speaker
This is what I think we do, Chris. I think that if and when he comes back to Bhutan, we just say, we just give him a checklist. We go, I know the best barbecue. I can get you the best roast beef sandwich. I can get you the best Italian sandwich. I can get you the best hot dogs. I am a Jersey guy through and through.
00:08:57
Speaker
And Bhutan, while kind of being in the middle of nowhere, is also like central. It's like, it is exactly 25 minutes away from the best of every type of food in Jersey, except for maybe a cheesesteak. So we just ask him what he wants. And when he says one of everything,
00:09:17
Speaker
I'll do that, we'll just, we'll leave, instead of leaving at noon to get to the one o'clock show, we'll leave at like nine a.m., we'll start at Hoboken and work our way down getting all of the best of Jersey. Yeah, yesterday between shows, we went to the best barbecue in New Jersey and it was delightful. We also ordered many things and just shared them. Yeah. So you did not get angry at that, the idea of sharing this time around.
00:09:46
Speaker
No, we're not angry at sharing at all. Yeah, we're big sharers. We're big sharers here. Just not at Buca de Bipo.
Bhutan, NJ: A Wrestling Mecca
00:09:54
Speaker
Yeah, well, I think it was more that we wanted diversity, right? It wasn't like, no, trust me, I can eat more than it was like, we're here on vacation. Like, I just don't if she wants something with shrimp, I want something with chicken. Like, you know, let's and it was mostly like, I don't want you to tell me what to fucking do. So let me order my fucking meal and get away.
00:10:18
Speaker
And then I also remember defiantly, cause obviously we get a lot of it to go. I remember defiantly eating my mom's shrimp and pasta, just in like the hallway of a like Sheridan, like two nights later when we have a flight the next day. That you guys mentioned.
00:10:34
Speaker
what I want to be my new home. You know, if I were to leave Nashville, I am moving to Bhutan. I've heard so much about it. I feel like I know it well. And I'm jealous that you guys spent a day there. It's great. And you know, the food in Bhutan is, they have a place, Sabor Latino, that's great. There's Chili's, which is a Tex-Mex place. I've been here several times. I took tourism zombie, that's great. We noticed there is a Indian Italian food hybrid. We're very confused by that.
00:11:03
Speaker
Yeah, we're going to try though. We're totally going to try. I was going to say please next time because one of the worst restaurants I ever ate at in LA was a Indian Mexican hybrid called Cowboys and Turbans. And I ordered a burrito.
00:11:22
Speaker
And I love a burrito. I don't think I've ever had a bad burrito, you know, a burrito that I sent away from my body. This burrito was filled with curry and no thanks. Oh, because we were saying that could work. Like we were actually talking about Indian and Mexican could work, but you're saying it did not.
00:11:40
Speaker
not for me not for me personally you know i may i think i heard other people enjoy it but i'm sorry back to bootin back to bootin yeah um there's a jamaican place we went to the bootin coffee cup we've been to multiple different places to get coffee and baked goods in bootin it is a magical place we were talking about how you know
00:12:01
Speaker
I've been listening to the podcast every week and it's like I've been listening to how every week you more and more, Bhutan's like on your bucket list. And that place that you were talking about that never closes in St. Louis is now my bucket list too. So it's like, you got to get up to Bhutan, Chris and I got to get to St. Louis, and of course all of us got to get to that Buffalo Wild Wings in West Virginia. Right.
Front Row Wrestling Experience in Bhutan
00:12:25
Speaker
There, yes, there are now three wrestling Meccas in the United States that, uh, just, I need to, I need to absorb. Yeah. For sure. And the room in boot, you know, this was our second time there, but this was the first time we got to be in the front row in boot. Now you might say to yourself, well, it's not that big a place guys being the front row versus the second row, but.
00:12:51
Speaker
God damn, we were so close legitimately wrestlers were sitting next to us. Yeah. Between like they were falling out of the ring and survivor series matches and just popping like Alec price just popped a squat next to Tom and they had a chat for a solid couple of minutes. Yeah.
00:13:10
Speaker
Tom had, our friend Tom had a legitimate like ongoing bit with Doug Gilbert during their match about how Doug Gilbert was going to cheat. Doug Gilbert would show Tom what he was going to do. And he'd be like, Oh, that's a good one. And they would like talk about, Oh, I got the chain in the boot. And they would just show it. It was like engaged. So really- Did they exchange information afterwards? Are they like still having these conversations?
00:13:35
Speaker
Yes, yes. Tom explained to Doug that he's in law school and he's going to be Doug Gilbert's, you know, shoot lawyer. It's going to be great. I love that. Yeah.
Curious Fan with a Military Helmet
00:13:47
Speaker
Yeah. Or when when Doug Gilbert was giving his information, he said the name of the town he lives in and then a five digit number. So that's the only way Tom has to reach him. There's no Internet, no email, no texting, no Facebook, none of that. Yeah. They're going to send letters to each other. They're going to become pen pals.
00:14:05
Speaker
Yeah. Was there anyone sitting near you or near your feet that you're like, I'm a little starstruck right now. I'm in Bhutan. I've got this person by me. Who would that have been?
00:14:16
Speaker
Well, so, because again, this is still a GCW show. So I think that the, I don't know if there was anything like that. Oh, Tommy rich was kind of interesting. I'll let Chris talk about Tommy rich in a second, but like, it's always interesting that just Nick age is just there. Right. And like we were joking that like in the opening match, which is like all the young flippy guys and Nick ages up on like the platform, kind of watching intensely. It's like, is Nick age aging in this match?
00:14:40
Speaker
Did Nick Cage engineer this thing with all the flippy young guys? And then later you just see him and Jordan Oliver just talking and you're kind of like, what the fuck are those guys talking about? It really is like being in a Chili's and seeing God walk through the front door and just sit at a booth. They do have the best chicken tenders in town. But then seeing God just sit down in that booth,
00:15:06
Speaker
And then and then somebody else goes to sit in the booth with God and it's just some guy you used to buy weed from when you were in the night. That guy hangs out with God. You're like, that guy and God know each other. Wow. Friends. They seem to be talking like like they know each other like wow. Yeah, I will say El Schlacko landed in front of us. Oh yeah. And what I thought was interesting about that one is first of all, like slacks back as you don't you'd expect is rough.
00:15:36
Speaker
Right. It's, it's textured. You know what I mean? But, um, there are actually a braille book on there. Right. There also seem to be like a spot on his arm that was just an open wound. Like, but at the beginning of the match, like you're like, were you bleeding last night and it didn't stop? Yeah,
The Mysterious Wawa Bag
00:15:56
Speaker
I don't, I had so many questions.
00:15:58
Speaker
Yeah. And I noticed his pants are Sintas pants. So like the company that like, I don't know if you guys ever worked when you were younger, like places where you have a uniform and you have to like put on a uniform. Like that's what Sintas does, right? Like they pick up the clothes and then they give you the new clothes. Like they'll give you toilet paper and stuff for like office buildings. So I'm like, okay,
00:16:21
Speaker
Schlack's wrestling pants are just some pants he stole from his day job some time ago, and I just found that really interesting. There is a lot fascinating about Schlack.
00:16:36
Speaker
This I love. My wife only follows four wrestlers on Instagram. Tanahashi, Dalton Castle, Danhausen, and Schlack. And there was a day that I was scrolling through and Schlack posted a very nasty photo of an injury he had. And all I saw under it, you know, like if somebody, you also follow comments, you see that first. And I just saw my wife had typed, oh no Schlack.
00:17:07
Speaker
Sorry, I had to throw that. Well, that was the other thing about being right there is really the scene, the gear, like Shane Mercer gave some guy a German suplex on the bridge. I realized that like, like some of his gear was like chipping away at the crotch.
00:17:21
Speaker
And it was just because it was right there. It was like right, like eye level was like Shane Mercer's crotch on this bridge. And in just one of the jerseys things possible. So it was actually during like the Tommy Rich match. They wanted the guy like the ring crew guys. Right. He comes running in slides on his knees. Really impressive with a wah wah bag.
00:17:46
Speaker
and puts it under the ring.
AEW Full Gear Excitement
00:17:48
Speaker
And then we're all talking about like, what's in the Wawa bag? And it wasn't for that match at all. It was actually for the next match. And it was actually filled with thumbtacks, but it's like, they just, that's what they had on hand. Cause it's all just Jersey people. That's what JCW is. So of course it's just in a Wawa bag. Yeah. They got to know us around, you know, they had a sandwich and they ate the sandwich and they filled it with thumbtacks.
00:18:15
Speaker
I love the, you describing the detail of these men's clothing, uh, cause you're like, you know, we didn't think sitting front row would be that big of a deal, but we sit there and it's like upgrading to 4k. You see all the detail. Well, and again, for, and for this place again, like second row is like.
00:18:35
Speaker
$8 more than GA and first row is only $5 more than second row. So it's like, yeah, just, just pay $5 to see what kind of read the labels on their clothing. Right. We just wanted to make, and really all we wanted to make sure was be at seats because we're like, we got a long day. Um, we got to make sure we're sitting down during the show. Um, also, but a lot of people, it's an interesting crowd.
00:18:59
Speaker
We got there. It is honor system too, by the way. Like we went there, we showed our tickets that we had pre-ordered that were front row and they're like, cool. And like, you know how a lot of shows they'll just have like the names on like post-it notes here that just said reserved. And they were like, find your own first row seats. And it was just like, okay. We just dropped sat down and it's actually, we sat down and there's this other guy in the row and we're like, Oh, is there enough space? Like, Oh, there, there is. And like kind of glancing at him, we thought, Oh, he's got like kind of a helmet on, like a cover. Maybe he's like,
00:19:29
Speaker
Maybe he just came from his job and he just kind of had his gear and didn't, he works construction or something.
Jamie Hayter's Victory and Toni Storm's Performance
00:19:35
Speaker
And it slowly dawned on us. Yeah, but it slowly dawned on us. Yeah. That this man is wearing like a very old, like military helmet and it says 1916 on it.
00:19:47
Speaker
And he's wearing like a jacket that would be like. What age is this man? Mid 20s. OK, I was. Yeah, I'd say that. Yeah. And had he not had he been white, I would have assumed he was a Nazi. But he was still not sure. It's possible. He's I mean, it's possible he was a Nazi that. Yeah, Chris, anybody can be a Nazi. I'm you know, they're an inclusive. It opened up the possibilities, was all I'm saying.
00:20:16
Speaker
faxes googling he's like well you know america did a lot of stuff that was unpleasant in latin america in the mid-twenties and i'm like maybe that's true we were we were very bad to the latin american people in 2016 and i was just looking for anything that might signal
00:20:32
Speaker
Like these guys clearly has a weapon on them, right? So I was just trying to Google, is there any signal that shows, am I going to be one of the first targets or not? You know, that's all I'm looking for. He was also eating a baguette, just an entire baguette. Are you making that up? Is that a bill? No. He was just eating a baguette. Like that you get from the grocery store. Like when you get like the bagged baguette for like $2 at a grocery store.
00:20:58
Speaker
I know what you're talking about. Like, I mean, I've been to Paris and saw an old man in a beret walking by with a bag with a baguette sticking out. And I'm like, here we are. But this baguette was clearly from a Wawa.
00:21:15
Speaker
And he told us he rode his bike all the way from Philadelphia. And just to put that in context, Bhutan is probably about, I don't know, a hundred miles from Philadelphia, maybe a little bit less, like 90 miles. It's at least a 90 minute drive from Philadelphia.
00:21:32
Speaker
When you say bike, are we meaning bicycle? We saw him after the show get on a bicycle. Okay. Non-motorized bicycle. So he definitely did take his bike there. He had no idea there was a GCW settlement series show afterwards. Didn't seem to understand anything about an EEW.
Ring of Honor Title Match Praise
00:21:50
Speaker
And also confusingly alternated between completely enraptured in the show, like to the point that you're like, even though this guy's in his twenties, I don't know if he knows it's a work.
00:22:02
Speaker
And then like complete disinterest, he's just on his phone. If you tell me that a guy in a helmet didn't know that it was a work, I'm like, yeah, come on. But also, the bike ride explains the baguette. The dude just rode a hundred fucking miles on a bicycle. He's got to get some carbs in him. But then he doesn't pay the extra $10 to stay for the settlement series? Well, even he knows that sucks.
00:22:30
Speaker
I mean, we didn't stay either facts. We were like, we got it. We want to have a nice slow dinner or maybe grab a beer before the main show.
00:22:37
Speaker
have take our time, you know what I mean? Like we could watch an hour of the settlement series or we could more leisurely eat dinner and leisure was the answer. Well, and I'll say this that I kind of did go there to the JCW show with an agenda that I really didn't want to see settlement series because I had gone solo to rampage the night before and a friend of ours, Andrew, he was kind of like texting with me and stuff like that. And he was just like, because the ticket said the show started to eat.
00:23:05
Speaker
I'm like, but I know Rampage is on at 10. So I'm texting with him like, do you know what they're, is it just dark from like eight to 10? He's like, and he's like convincing me. He's like, no, no, no. They're going to do like really good matches. They'll have like real matches with real guys. It won't just be dark. And like, I kind of split the difference and I'm like, okay, I'll get there at like 8 45.
00:23:27
Speaker
And I was so mad that I did that. Like, Rampage itself was whatever. It wasn't good, but it was like normal Rampage. And I live so close to the Prudential Center. It's like,
00:23:42
Speaker
I legitimately could get to the Prudential Center quicker than I can get to the grocery store that's closest to me. Like, I'm actually serious. Like we, Tom, Chris, and I walked back to my place after the show last night, the actual pay-per-view show. So I was like, okay, I would have been fine going for exactly one hour and watching Rampage Live that I would have watched on TV anyway, but god damn it.
00:24:07
Speaker
Dark is just fucking awful. And that's where I'm like, really, the settlement series is like the AEW dark of JCW. It's like I just can't I just
AEW Commentary Dynamics
00:24:18
Speaker
can't do this. Like I'm already watching a good 14 hours of wrestling this weekend. I just I just I'd rather eat barbecue for a couple of hours and have a couple of beers than watch more shitty wrestling when I know we have some really good wrestling. Like I don't want to see a second Jordan Oliver match that's worse than the first one.
00:24:36
Speaker
when I'm like six hours before seeing Kenny Omega, you know? Right. Well, and also initially they had said that the settlement series show would be three. And so we're like, OK, JCW is one to three. They'll go right into the settlement series and we'll just kind of like catch a little bit as we go. But then the JCW show finished at like 315. And they're like, oh, settlement series at four. And we're like,
00:24:59
Speaker
Oh, we're not waiting around for the settlement series. You see these games they play with us in Bhutan? That's the thing. Bhutan shows go minding. They switch the times. They switch start times. Sometimes they move it up. Sometimes they move it back. Sometimes you think Beastman's in the main event. Sometimes he's on first. Like, you never know anything. There was no reason to think Beastman was going to be in the main event of that show.
00:25:24
Speaker
Oh absolutely, him and Joey Janela. Wait, I'm talking about the original show, the organized play show. Yeah, I'm saying that I think that is this show's fault that you thought that was the main event.
00:25:39
Speaker
Like I think we built up the idea of Beastman so much that in our minds there's no way anyone can follow this man. I'm gonna disagree with you just because it was the first match they promoted and it's Joey Janela who is a legit draw and especially in Jersey, right? Like it would be kind of like if Nick Gage
00:26:01
Speaker
or Janela, or trying to think who else is the FV, right? Anyone of that level wrestles anyone in Bhutan, that's the main event, or it should be.
00:26:14
Speaker
So I just started Googling just out of curiosity. I'm like, I want to support Bhutan from Nashville. How can I do that? Is there a Bhutan t-shirt? So I Googled Bhutan, New Jersey t-shirt and I was not disappointed guys. And I found the one that I will be ordering. It says, it's where my story begins. Bhutan, New Jersey.
00:26:36
Speaker
Nice. That actually is a legitimately nice design. That's actually kind of beautiful. I kind of want it now. I want it too. Remember, and we saw Chris, we walked by a place that had multiple hashtags in the window that it was like hashtag visit. I know one was cyber hashtag cyber boot. And I forget what the other one is. I'm going to check Twitter real quick to see what we find under hashtag cyber boot.
00:27:03
Speaker
So I am fucking obsessed with Bhutan right now. Like I just, Bhutan itself is a celebrity. You know how they say like insects in the city, New York's a character. Well, you know what? Bhutan is the main character in my own life right now. And I've never been. There's not a single thing, by the way. Twitter gives zero things to cyber Bhutan. But that might be a Twitter thing, given that there's like four employees right now and three of them are rodents.
00:27:33
Speaker
Yeah, Elon's all for free speech unless it's Bhutan removes it.
Young Bucks vs. Death Triangle Match
00:27:39
Speaker
There's a shirt on T public that just says downtown Bhutan, New Jersey. Oh, I see that one too. Yeah, I like that one. That's a good one too. Yeah, Elon's definitely the putt of the week. Oh man, there's one that just looks like it would have been a shirt that maybe Matthew McConaughey would have worn and dazed and confused. Yeah.
00:28:03
Speaker
I might, honestly, my whole wardrobe is about to change guys. You're just going to be a booting guy. Get one of those wrestling shirts that says like, I'm a booting guy. Oh, sorry listeners. Um, but okay. So yeah, obvious. I almost want to ask you questions about what you saw at dark, but I mean, who was the most famous wrestler you saw wrestle at dark?
00:28:33
Speaker
Well, so I will say this. This is one positive that quickly becomes a negative is you go like, oh, the wingmen are still on dark. Like there's pretty Peter Avon and Caesar Bononi. They're still getting paychecks or something like that's kind of nice. And then the match starts. You're like, oh, God, throw somebody quickly, throw something in my eyes because it's burning. I would say let's see the most famous performer
00:29:03
Speaker
on dark, geez, I'm trying to think there was a main event that was like two people, was it guys or women? Again, I tried to forget all that was possible. I got nothing. Okay, well.
00:29:25
Speaker
Then back to booting for a second. The JCW show, I caught most of it. I kind of ended up having to bounce around a little bit while it was on, but it actually seemed like a very good show. It seemed like a lot of fun. It was fun. I think the Survivor Series theme was a fun idea and just kind of...
00:29:44
Speaker
watching that kind of match was a lot of variety and seeing different guys.
Fan Reactions to MJF's Victory
00:29:48
Speaker
I mean, none of them was like so mind-blowing. I guess the second gear crew versus the good old boys, Tommy, Rich, Doug Gilbert, Chris Hamrick, who apparently set a very nasty slur on the Providence show today and has already, and GCW has already apologized for it.
00:30:05
Speaker
And, um, well, it was supposed to be John Wayne Murdoch, but I assume because his arm was busted last weekend, they replaced him with crowbar. Um, just cause. And, um, you know, that was kind of a fun match. It was a very like non second gear crew in the sense that it was really like, we kind of figured the second year crew was going to come out and just bust them up. But they did a lot of the Memphis Gaga with like powder and different bits and, um,
00:30:31
Speaker
Yeah, you know, Tommy, Tommy, Rachel, good. He doesn't take a front. He doesn't take a back bump anymore. Tommy Rich will bump, but it's only a front bump that Tommy will say. And it was like a classic Southern tag match when it got to two on two, especially. But there was still barbed wire tables involved. I don't think that there was none of that. And then I will say the last match.
00:30:55
Speaker
which was the Jimmy Lloyd team against the luchador team, the gringo loco, el schlacko team. They clearly were like running out of time, which was also weird considering they had pushed back the settlement series show to four by that point. And also the settlement series show also started late for reasons that elude me. But that match was really, really rushed, which is weird because all of the other survivor series matches kind of
00:31:25
Speaker
had enough time to kind of get going. And you did the last one where they had some big spots, but it was kind of like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. But overall, though, anytime there's a settlement series show and they're doing a JCW show that they clearly are making the better show, I'm going to keep going there. They're a good time.
00:31:47
Speaker
I was a little sad that my deathmatch girlfriend was not on the show. I don't know why. I think she was on the GCW show today, possibly. I don't know. Yeah, there's a lot of people on both.
MJF's Future as Champion
00:32:03
Speaker
So I wonder if it was just because it seemed like Gresham, there was an issue with Gresham, as there always is, whenever he's advertised for a show.
00:32:12
Speaker
Um, and then we were like, I don't know. And then Cole Roderick got who who the most Hobbit like person you've ever seen. He got pulled into her spot in the main event in that last Survivor Series match. And but then it's like if she was physically there, you got to figure there was somewhere they could have plugged her in. There was a way. There's a lot of people in that card that aren't as interesting in the ring, you know.
00:32:39
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, and by the way, I did remember who the best the highlight of dark was. And I told Chris and Tom about this. It was private party who come out now granted they were tagging with Matt Hardy was a six man. But they just full blown come out to the hardy boys music now and like do the hardy's boys headbanging like private party that's that's their current gimmick.
00:33:05
Speaker
The Hardy Boys, not tooth out, like Hardy Boys 2022. Did they do like the Jeff dance? Yeah. Like they kind of do the Jeff dance with like the slow, like Marchy headbanging, like moving the arms thing. Like they don't fully do it, but like they kind of do.
00:33:28
Speaker
what feels right to them to be more of an homage without outright doing the Jeff Hardy. Because I think even they aren't quite clear how directly they should be showing respect to Jeff Hardy.
Jungle Boy's Rising Star
00:33:43
Speaker
Well, okay, now that we've spent a half hour on Beastman and Restaurants, Bhutan, New Jersey, Wawa, T-shirts for Bhutan, New Jersey, you guys attended what I thought. I'm curious to see what you thought. From sitting on my couch, this was my favorite pay-per-view that AEW did this year. I really, really enjoyed this from home. What did you guys think?
00:34:13
Speaker
I agree that I think that AEW, I think this was the best taste show I've ever seen. Like whether it's AEW, certainly New Japan, like you always hit some downtime that you get a little bored, right? And this was, I did not get a single thing to eat during the show. I did get up for drinks a couple of times and we were right by a bar. So like I literally, a match could end. I could get a drink and be back in my seat before the next match was started.
00:34:42
Speaker
And it was like I was consistently engaged. Literally, we were texting like after the Luchasaurus Jungle Boy cage match and like Derek's something like good luck following that. And I was like, Oh, now it's Kenny and the young bucks. Good luck. It was like almost like every match is like good luck following that. And yet everything like felt really great. Like so I think from an overall perspective,
00:35:13
Speaker
Yeah, it was one of the better shows ever. Yeah. And a lot of a lot of the finishes were very satisfying on the whole. I think a lot of the people that people wanted to see win one, which I think was a lot of it that at the end of the day, there was no point in the show where you're like, I can't believe that that guy went over, you know, which I think really helped.
AEW's Fresh Start
00:35:34
Speaker
Which I think like since Derek and I had been doing the podcast in my mind, the best booked like everything you wanted to happen show.
00:35:43
Speaker
was what was it, like Dominion 2018 or something like that, where it was just like, goddamn, everything ended the way you wanted the thing to end. And this was that show except for one match for me. I got worked in a way I've never been in a wrestling match.
00:36:04
Speaker
I don't know why ever. No, I've never felt anger towards the fans of the other wrestler before where everybody was so excited. I'm like, you know what? Fuck you guys. Like I went to a blues game in Nashville a few weeks ago and Nashville predators fans are fucking assholes. Like I've been to hockey games.
00:36:24
Speaker
many different arenas. Those fans are so mean. And they think they're nice. But like what I end up leaving early because we're losing I'm getting yelled at. That's how I felt at the end of this where I was like, I felt like Jamie Hader fans were the Nashville Predators fans. I'm on my couch like you will fuck you guys. Fuck you guys. I don't like you. I like you.
00:36:48
Speaker
Now, is it just because she is like an overt heel? Or are you actually a Tony Storm guy? I am a Tony Storm guy, and I don't know why the crowd has turned on her. I think I do.
Anticipation for Wrestle Kingdom
00:37:05
Speaker
I think it's mostly that she's terrible and just unappealing as a wrestler.
00:37:14
Speaker
i think i think she's very boring it's like she's she's like she really is a good torchbearer for thunder rosa where it was like it was cool running at the belt and then there's just nothing there's just no character just nothing is interesting
00:37:29
Speaker
And Jamie Heater is also, and like we were talking about how great it was with like, Brit didn't turn on her afterwards. It was just like two women that can just enjoy each other's success and be good friends. And then we even could see, because we obviously can see into the tunnels, right? Because we were right behind the hard camp. And during the next match, we saw them like continuing to hug and like talk excitedly to each other like off camera. And it's just like, oh, that's great.
00:37:56
Speaker
I like, I love the Brit Baker, Jamie Haider friendship. Even, even if eventually one of them is going to have to turn on the other. Yeah, Garrett's just not, maybe you're just not supportive of the beauty of female friendship. Women helping women coming up together, you know? Listen, I don't want to say anything that's going to result in me fighting schlack.
00:38:21
Speaker
No, I love a good female friendship. I just love Toni Storm. Guys, it's not just Toni time some of the time. It's Toni time all the time for me. I just don't think she's shown very much in AEW and I think Jamie Haider has shown a lot. I just love watching that lady wrestle.
00:38:41
Speaker
I've been big on pushing. I think Jade should be the world champion. Obviously, she's not a very good wrestler, but she's just such a big character. And honestly, she's kind of breaking into the mainstream. She was on a bunch of New York radio shows this week. I had friends that I know aren't wrestling asking me, what's the deal with this Jade lady?
00:38:59
Speaker
so like she's a legit star so but i was definitely and i'm not a in that huge like i love jamie hater she must be champion like there is certain people that really really feel that way about her and i'm not in that camp but i definitely don't like tony storm and have not liked her title or aid
Eddie Kingston's Proposed Show Feature
00:39:17
Speaker
I guess for me like I had been watching her since progress and I just I loved her so much in progress and yet maybe I will agree with you it has been as good as things were in progress but I'm I guess part of me is like we were gonna get there we were gonna get there now we'll never know so you're saying a bit that though you liked her in progress Garrett you'll admit that she's regressed
00:39:43
Speaker
Well, she also, she almost reminds me of like Sheeda as world champion. But then like you go to, you look at, you look at Tony and you're just like, like Sheeda, you're like, man, if she could only speak English, then she might, she might have a shot at being compelling. And you're like, wait a minute. She actually cuts promos every week. This is a problem.
00:40:03
Speaker
Yeah, I will say one of the, in terms of the other women, I think it actually could help the pacing of the show. And overall that they were able to have three interesting women's matches. Yes. I think it really kind of, it changed the pacing. Um, and to have a title match without Brit, but still have Brit on the show, I think was valuable. I think they finally found in Nyla Rose with that story and opponent.
00:40:25
Speaker
who created a match with Jade Cargill that was kind of compelling. Because I think my problem is less with Jade winning than the fact that they've gotten to the point where a lot of these opponents, you're like, well, Jade's going to beat her in five minutes. Right. And that's what makes those has made a couple of those matches kind of bathroom break matches. It's not that people aren't excited to see Jade and generally interested. It was just like, this is going to this is I got five minutes. She's going over with the jaded, like, whereas this, I think, had at least a bit of a
00:40:53
Speaker
a question at the end there, and I think they worked a really good match. Yeah, I do agree with that. Honestly, it's nice to see good women's matches. I
Full Gear Attendance Reflections
00:41:02
Speaker
actually think the hater match was probably maybe one of the top three women's matches AEW's ever put on.
00:41:09
Speaker
When it got going, I think the second half and the final third even, it was really compelling. And again, that one had a lot of drama because obviously I would think the Vegas favorite was Hater getting the title there, but it was a very narrow, I thought it was very, very plausible that Tony Storm would win cleanly and continue with the belt.
00:41:32
Speaker
So there was a lot of good drama and just overall there was a lot of good drama in matches like there was definitely a couple of matches that you know i think we kind of all could have guessed the finishes too but like the the ring of honor title four way
00:41:48
Speaker
was freaking amazing. Like legitimately say what you will. I'm I know I'm a big fan of Jericho's Ring of Honor champion. Most people are not. And the things that they hate are what I love about it. But like, regardless of your thoughts of Jericho as our champion, that match was fucking amazing.
00:42:06
Speaker
Yeah, I think that worked much better than Jericho Danielson from the last pay-per-view. Really from a pacing perspective, Jericho and Danielson worked kind of like an oddly slow match that really kind of lost the crowd for chunks of it. Whereas this with the four guys, they really kept it moving. And I think it really kind of kept the crowd in it. And again, there was a real, it felt pretty quickly like any of those four guys could win and that helped people bite on the near falls, help people bite on the dynamics. I think that was a really, a really great match too.
00:42:36
Speaker
for sure there's very rarely is there a match where you're like you kind of have an idea of who's gonna win that one you're right I had no clue any of those four guys could have ended up winning and then the dynamic between everybody was just so fucking perfect that honestly that could have been the main event if that ended up main event in an ROH pay-per-view like that I had paid for I would have been absolutely satisfied with that as a main event
00:43:04
Speaker
Yeah, I think the only match that kind of was a little bit of a wet fart was the TNT title three way.
00:43:15
Speaker
That one it like it seemed like we were expecting like a big hoss fight But it never really got there and I think that like I really can't think of a good three-way hoss fight ever Really? I'm sure there maybe there's been one but like I remember think like wanna I feel like any combination of those guys one-on-one with each other would have been better than the three-way we got and
00:43:42
Speaker
I don't know. I've talked to a few people who enjoyed it. So I don't know. It. I don't think it was bad. Like it definitely like there was nothing on the card that was so offensive to me that it stood out as a negative. So for sure. And that's me trying to pick something. Right. That's definitely not like if that was if that was like just a dynamite main event.
00:44:05
Speaker
That would have been, it would have been great. You know, it's just like in this thing that everything else was like nearing or above four stars. It's like that one. Okay. That one wasn't particularly close to four stars in my mind. Can I ask a question about the broadcast, Garrett? Yeah. Because, you know, we were talking during that Haas fight about how much JR would love this. And then we kind of looked over and we're like, I don't think JR's the table anymore. And he definitely came out. Did they explain? Did like, did JR have
00:44:34
Speaker
like he decided he was done or? He clearly shit his pants, but how did they explain it? Right. I don't think they ever did. Now that you're saying it, like, I don't know that I even noticed in the moment that he was gone. You just wandered off.
00:44:50
Speaker
Cause I feel like they've kind of established with AEW where like, people are just gonna wander in and out of commentary, it seems like. Right? Cause Shivani isn't there some of the time, Taz is in there, I don't know.
00:45:04
Speaker
It looked like Shivani was never there from what we saw. It was clearly at the very end. Right at the end we saw him. And he was there at the very beginning because they did announce him. Yeah. He disappeared many. And they also did that weird K-faby thing where like if they show what's clearly a pre-taped thing with Shivani in the interview where they make sure he's not on the stage.
00:45:27
Speaker
so like it is it is you're right it is bizarre that they have people i think x caliber is like literally there's they have like a detonator in his head that if he goes more than 10 feet away from the his chair during the show his head will explode like he's in the suicide squad but yeah everybody else seems to come and go oh
00:45:51
Speaker
What, which match, honestly, I think this is going to be hard to pick, but both of you, which match was your match of the night? And what was the crowd's match of the night, do you think? I think, honestly, I think I would say what I think the crowd would also say
00:46:12
Speaker
which is it's it's young books and that triangle and then that was the other thing too is like normally when you get which by the way we were talking about a how weird is that for somebody like like who in the future they're just like I'm gonna watch every pay-per-view to catch up but like doesn't watch anything in between of like you watch the last pay-per-view and then that like this pay-per-view starts you're like okay
00:46:36
Speaker
Luchasaurus and jungle boy. They're doing the final blow-off from what started the last peer review. Okay, and get the next matches like we What what's happening here? But and then you might think like that announcing the best of seven series Would have been something people would have actually been mad at where it's like no I thought we just got the match like now you're just saying Six other cities get the match and like it but like it was just universally of like yep Like we're not gonna make that fight forever chant. That's bullshit. Like we actually
00:47:04
Speaker
would really enjoy these guys fighting each other every single week for the next well let's start with six weeks but i'm ready to go for six months yeah i'm also i'm not sure why they they came out to carry on my wayward son but it ruled yeah did they explain that on commentary at all because i i didn't understand it
00:47:25
Speaker
No, no explanation. They just I thought it was weird that. So before they came out, they did have some like messaging like they had something on the screens, right? But was it only on like the Titan Tron in the middle, like that they would put the hockey scores on? No, it was not all the screens, but it wasn't anything like unusual, like it was. Well, uncomfortable to what they'd been showing the last couple of weeks.
00:47:53
Speaker
That's bizarre because on the clock and stuff. Yeah, well on TV instead of like just giving us a feed of like that just being on our screen. It was a camera aimed up at the Titan Tron just showing us like the Prudential Center like scoreboard with that shit coming on it. And then the camera like turns around.
00:48:16
Speaker
It was it was bizarre camera work. Very weird. But that when the lights came on, carry on my wayward son, fucking goosebumps. Like if I can get goosebumps watching wrestling at home, that's good shit. Yeah, I think my feeling was like, oh, this is this is my happy place. This is I'm in an arena. We had found our way. Our seats initially. Well, I'll tell you that story in a second. But we had found our way to like a really kind of perfect spot to watch the match and we're like,
00:48:44
Speaker
Yep. The young bucks and Kenny Omega are here. They're going to wrestle these guys, the Penta and Phoenix and Hawk, and they're going to do amazing shit together.
00:48:53
Speaker
We're just gonna enjoy this. What a wonderful thing. Life is amazing. And very quickly, there was that weird thing of I didn't know fully what to expect of them in the ring. And then a couple of minutes in, you're like, oh yeah, wait. Everyone's healthy. That's not the reason they've been off the show. They've probably been thinking about this match for weeks. This is gonna be fucking great. That's probably why they're doing a best of seven series, that Kenny and the Bucks just came up with so many ideas for this one match that they're like, let's do it seven times.
00:49:22
Speaker
So, yeah, it was the tits. I was a little worried about how ornery the crowd was going to be, and what was going, the reaction to them coming back was going to be. Indeed, but the reaction was strong for them, and Foxy and punk, I believe the crowd's opinion was. Did you all join that? Oh, of course. Of course, yeah.
00:49:48
Speaker
Do you think that'll be the case on Wednesday? I guess...
00:49:53
Speaker
It's already this, as you're listening to this, Thanksgiving has happened, Wednesday has happened, we don't know, but I have a hard time- You can put this up early, I don't know. I have a hard time believing that fuck CM Punk chants are happening in Chicago. I think that fuck CM Punk chants probably not happening in Chicago, but I do think Chicago fans will still warmly embrace Kenny and the Bucks without doing that chant. Or maybe they just do a Colt Cabana chant. It's the beat in the middle. They love Colt Cabana too, right? His head's all over billboards all around about town.
00:50:23
Speaker
Who doesn't love Cole Cabana? Yeah, I don't know. It seemed like the crowd was like a little, like I said, it seemed like the crowd was on the precipice of being ornery, that match. But then the in-ring action started being so fucking good that just everybody, just their focus went straight back to the match and paying attention to that.
00:50:47
Speaker
Yeah. And by the way, did you guys watch the media scrum from this one or Tony? Just the MJF stuff. I only saw the Tony Khan part. And Tony Khan got one question on Colt Cabana, two questions on on Kansas and Wayward Son. And every other question was about why Ring of Honor exists.
00:51:13
Speaker
So it's kind of an interesting thing to see him just kind of being like, guys, come on, I want there to be a separate Ring of Honor show. But until that happens, I just got to keep doing this. Give me some slack. What was, by the way, the read on
00:51:27
Speaker
Cause you mentioned it a little bit with, or you mentioned explicitly with, with the Jamie Hader match. What about the main event where again, the crowd was full blown treating MJF as the babyface mocks clearly kind of starts working heel, even at a certain point in the match. How did that play on TV with the commentary?
00:51:49
Speaker
They basically were just kind of saying like, he doesn't care the reaction, he just loves it. He loves that there's a reaction happening. They never like said, they never made it seem like Moxley was the heel in the match. They just were like, he's fucking eating this up that they're booing him. Like he thrives on the reaction of the crowd regardless.
00:52:13
Speaker
I will say there was an interesting energy to it in live. And here you talk about being mad at the crowd, Garrett. So I'm wearing a Jon Moxley t-shirt as we speak. Big, big Jon Moxley. We were all all of us. Our group was cheering for Mox. And so at the end, right.
00:52:30
Speaker
for those who may have not, don't listen to this if you haven't seen Full Gear yet or have spoiled yourself, right? MJF gets the knucks from Regal, knocks out Moxley, wins the title, he celebrates. So after they go off the air, Mox is still laying in the ring, right? He's laid out from that shot and he's like for minutes, Yuda, Claudio and Danielson come out, they're like starting to revive him. First of all, a great bit where they're like explaining, like telling him what happened and Mox is like,
00:53:00
Speaker
Oh, come on. Really? Oh, God damn it. It's so bad. Like, it's explaining to him, like, you know, the guy gave him the nuts. I'll cut regal. But then the crowd broke into a thank you Moxley chant. And I was like, fuck you guys, because you were booing that guy hard a minute ago. Thank you, Moxley. Like, you weren't respecting the fact that this is the
00:53:25
Speaker
This is the greatest champion in the world. And this is the god of professional wrestling. Sorry, Nick Gage. This is the god of this shit right now. This man has done everything for us. We've watched this man in the tiniest rooms in the world. We've watched him against Hiroshi Tanahashi this year.
00:53:46
Speaker
I don't know. I love Jon Moxley. He's the best. Respect him. I mean, you don't have to, you can cheer for MJF, but like to go to the thank you Moxley after I was like, come on guys. Come on. Well, they're thanking him for delaying his vacation. Meanwhile, he's going to be fighting, you know, uh, he's going to be fighting like
00:54:09
Speaker
Tony Deppin in just some random men's room. Later tonight. And it's just going to be because he ran into him at the Wawa. There's no scheduled match. God damn Deppin. You know, this is my Wawa. Well, he flew back home and now he's he's back in Vegas fighting carrot top somewhere off the strip. Well, you know what? You know, I realize Mox gets hit with those ducks and did not blade.
00:54:40
Speaker
Maybe he has somewhere to go after this. Where do you think they go with MJF though? Because he's a heel, he's getting cheered like a baby face, wins in a very traditionally heelish way. This isn't like The Rock being a cool heel or even Adam Cole being a cool heel. This is just MJF playing a straight up heel.
00:55:03
Speaker
but getting cheered. And his character really doesn't translate to babyface, right? Whereas again, somebody like The Rock using the greatest example ever, it's kind of like, oh yeah, I can see how he's gonna translate that character into a babyface. It is kind of interesting of like,
00:55:24
Speaker
Is it just like, would Ric Flair just be a babyface in 2022 if like 30 year old Ric Flair were around? Like, is that what MJF is? Maybe. I mean, I don't know if you've seen like the comment sections on Facebook or Twitter. The world's a bad place, facts. This is what our heroes are like. This is how Trump got elected.
00:55:51
Speaker
I mean, I, I gotta think the next, I think there's a good chance the next pay-per-view is Danielson. Right? Because you play off the regal thing. And if you want to have MJF have another banger.
00:56:05
Speaker
as a main event on a pay-per-view, putting him in the ring with Bryan Danielson, a fairly safe bet. So that to me makes sense as like the rep, but they got obviously three and a half months to get to revolution. So I would think this puts, see here's actually a really interesting question. I think we're gonna learn a lot on Wednesday.
00:56:25
Speaker
Obviously he's going to cut a promo that'll tell us something, but also, you know, whether it's Ricky Starks or Ethan Page in that eliminator match. That goes over. I think that's going to tell us about what direction they're trying to take the MJF title reign with that first shot. Cause it could be either of them, I think. Um, so we'll see. Yeah. I think when it starts, but yeah.
00:56:45
Speaker
What did you, like overall with the MJF Moxley match, did you enjoy, I mean, we liked the outcome, like it ended up being fun. I didn't like the outcome. We liked the outcome. You know what I mean? Like it was, as far as like storytelling goes, we're headed in a nice direction for pro wrestling. Sure.
00:57:05
Speaker
And Tony Khan has shown he can be booked better title matches with his heel champions. Whereas every babyface champion fights Lance Archer. And I think that's going to be a, I don't know, going into this.
00:57:24
Speaker
It's hard to believe that Jon Moxley can lose to MJF. Obviously there ended up being some fuckery, but just size and toughness. That is not believable to me. So it seems like with MJF, do we go more down the lines of like, like you said, like, is he going to fight Ricky Starks next? Is he going to fight Jungle Boy? I think Daniel Bryan is good because, you know, size wise and everything, I think they match up really well and Bryan Danielson would get an awesome match out of him.
00:57:53
Speaker
I also think that, and I called this like last night too, and I've been calling this even before the regal thing, somebody else on Blackpool Combat Club is turning on Danielson and Dormoxley, right? So, or maybe one of those guys is the one that turned. So I think that that's another thing of like, you just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole of how evil this whatever new faction becomes of
00:58:19
Speaker
MJF and, and, and Regal. And he kind of just like says, fuck you to Stokely Hathaway and, and big cast all that. He's like, you guys are drivers. We're, I'm going to make a better staple of guys that actually are on TV. Yeah. I think, I mean, I think MJF it's interesting. Cause I, I think the, probably the biggest question really for, for eight W was could MJF have a main event at the level that he needed to. Right. Because he had not done that before in any real sense.
00:58:49
Speaker
And I think he did, I think he got there. I think Fax's quote was, he didn't exceed expectations, but I was like, well, he met them. He's like, yeah, he didn't over deliver, but he delivered. I also don't think, I think that again, whether it's Danielson or somebody else in the next paper, I think that's the actual telling one, because this match too was also everyone waiting for the fuckery, right? There was no drama in that match until there was some fuckery.
00:59:15
Speaker
right because even if marxley's walking out with the belt that means he needs to foil the fuckery right or or maybe even you know mjf foils the fuckery if he's going to turn an actual baby face right um but but there was a little bit of like let's wait for the fuckery which i think is very different than like when you watch like
00:59:38
Speaker
Kenny Omega versus Brian Danielson or something like that. Like, you know, where it's like, no, this is I just want to watch this match wherever it goes. The other interesting guy that I think came out of last night in terms of their progression and maybe their status is like a title contender against MJF would be Jungle Boy. Right. Jungle Boy. He became a jungle man.
01:00:10
Speaker
And J.R. fucking loves Jack Perry. I mean, he has pretty much since day one. But on commentary, they built that kid up so much where commentary like this is the future of wrestling. Like they really were like digging into you like this is the next guy. He I mean, J.R. got the leopard print depends like he's really in on
01:00:33
Speaker
on Jack. He's like, I got a whole bunch of them. I'm ready to do this as many matches as we need to. I'm here. It appeals to all ages. Well, and it worked. I thought it was it really it just.
01:00:45
Speaker
it was what the match needed to be and he came out looking great. Also props to the Perry Ladies because they were obviously front row for that match, right? And they were there the entire rest of the show having a great time. And yeah, like not only were they there because we were sitting like
01:01:04
Speaker
the section directly behind them. Like, especially Mama Perry was super duper into it. Like rooting for baby faces and like booing heels. Like she, it's like, which kind of makes sense where you're like, well, he didn't just become a fan of wrestling out of nowhere, right? Like his parents must have watched some wrestling and he picked up on it where you're like, Oh, yeah, I guess like,
01:01:26
Speaker
if I had a kid that became a pro wrestler, like, yeah, I would totally stay in that front row seat the entire yard and really enjoy myself. You're like, this is great. Thanks for the seat, son. Yeah. And AEW is like, no, we got to bring in the next family members of some. No, no, no. It's like, no, I'm I'm staying here. I mean, if Mama Rock can stay during WWE shows, then. Yeah. You're like, all right. All right. If Mick Foley is going to sit here, I'll take second row. That's fine.
01:01:57
Speaker
Okay, just got me back one. Yeah, because we basically ended up, we were in our initial seats, the seats we had purchased were in a section that seemed to be like an AEW, like the people in front of us were AEW VIPs because Mago was talking to them, the head of legal. But we were in a weird spot where we couldn't really see
01:02:18
Speaker
like there was like a production piece of equipment that was in our way. And so we just kind of looked around realizing that the Prudential Center, while very full, had some open spaces. And we kind of ended up basically right behind the hard cam, which is, if you have the chance, a great place to watch a wrestling show. Yeah, the pictures you were sending me, the seats looked incredible. And I was wondering, like, yeah, I figured those were not the seats you purchased.
01:02:44
Speaker
So they were like, so it's a weird way in the section we were like Chris was saying, I think we were the first road that they actually sold.
01:02:53
Speaker
thinking that we would not have obstructed view, but our view very much was still obstructed. Um, so then we moved to behind the cameras, which they did not sell because those grittlessness obstructed views, but are actually the best view in the entire house. And we weren't the only ones, like other people had picked up on this as well. And like other people joined us in that row, even though clearly, you know, nobody actual seats were there.
01:03:18
Speaker
That is a problem I've had at only AEW shows and not WWE. I know when we went to that first Double or Nothing,
01:03:27
Speaker
We had good seats basically like facing the ring with the entrance right behind the ring, you know. But the whole show I had the camera on that boom moving up and down in front of me. It's weird too with AEW, I agree with you and AEW and it's both ways that there are seats that they do not put anyone in that are not obstructed at all.
01:03:51
Speaker
And then they have the seats that are actually obstructed with fans in them that are mad. And it's like, it is bizarre. Cause you'd think like, cause I've even had it for dynamites and you're like, well the set is the same every week. Hockey arenas and basketball arenas aren't that unique. Like they're not really all snow, snowflakes. Like I don't understand why this is so hard. Yeah. Um, the other, the other thing that was great. Just I want, here's a tradition I want for AEW pre-shows.
01:04:21
Speaker
I want Eddie Kingston to wrestle old Japanese legends, just everyone. Like if Eddie never gets on another pay-per-view, but they each pay-per-view find an older Japanese, like legendary wrestler for Eddie Kingston to go toe to toe with. I think that I, first of all, I think Eddie Kingston would be happy. And I think we all would be really happy. Um, I think it's a win-win for the world. Um, just Eddie Kingston's Akiyama. We've got Ishii, like can Eddie Kingston wrestle Shibata? That'd be great.
01:04:50
Speaker
You know, after like two years that we've run out of wrestlers and he just starts fighting like Giro dreams of sushi. They owe Miyazaki just famous Japanese people. Also, did they show on TV Eddie doing the hype on? Oh, yeah. Tremendous. I was like, I really I really already want to see the show, but Eddie Kingston telling me I wanted to see it. I agreed with him very much.
01:05:13
Speaker
That is what I want every show. I want them to not cut back to commentary for them to scroll through every match. I just need Eddie Kingston saying like, you know, it's good, buy the shit. You know what? That would also get me to watch rant. Like I get what they're going for with Jericho on commentary and rampage. But like, have Eddie Kingston doing commentary on rampage? I would watch whatever dog shit you put out there if Eddie Kingston is the one doing commentary.
01:05:40
Speaker
You're gonna wanna see this. My buddy Mox is gonna fuck this guy up. It's gonna be great. Um, just speaking of, like, the next show, um...
01:05:51
Speaker
Derek is going to get a fucking good dynamite. It's going to bangers. Nothing but bangers. Ishii and Jericho. What? Right. The death triangle against the Bucks in match number two. He gets a Orange Cassidy title match, which the Hager stuff with his bucket hat was funny. I don't know.
01:06:10
Speaker
Everything seems good. It's a big win for Derek. It is interesting because I think AEW had been getting a little boring. I think that's obvious and I think Rampage has been horrendous. The Ring of Otter stuff is going nowhere.
01:06:28
Speaker
and it almost feels like finally moving the belt on MJF is almost like a season finale and now a new season premiere like and it kind of feels like that with this like the bucks are back we're doing this best of seven like Orange Cassidy has one of like we hated all these additional titles but now Orange Cassidy has one and he's defending it every freaking week and like well we like that and it just does feel like they're finally
01:06:52
Speaker
moving in a really good direction, and especially if if TK can get a fucking Ring of Honor show so he starts putting some of that bullshit onto a separate show. You know what this reminds me of? Are you guys Friday Night Lights fans? Have you seen the whole show? Yes, multiple times. So we all know Friday Night Lights season two.
01:07:11
Speaker
just goes off the rails. In terms of really good classic television shows, Friday Night Lights season two, it's insane. Someone gets murdered, there's a random dude that just pops up and starts living with Buddy Garrity. All sorts of shit just goes fucking haywire. And then there's a writer strike, and they start season three, and they just wipe a bunch of this. They're just like, nevermind, forget that, we're starting fresh, we're doing all these things. To your point, Vax,
01:07:41
Speaker
this last three months, it was all scrambling. Obviously the plan was for Punk to be the champion. So this was not in any way the plan. The plan was for the Bucks to be here, presumably. So all of this last three months was basically just like, we're just making the shit up as we go. But now it seems like, okay, they've gotten back to the point where, yeah, we've got pretty much everyone back with the exception of CM Punk.
01:08:09
Speaker
But we and we've got the Pete like we wanted to get MJF here. We did that. We have presumably some version of the Bucks death triangle thing was where they were getting to with these belts. And they've got the space to again, like bring the show back to where it was. I'm very curious to see what they do over the next over the next few months. I also say I'm curious in terms of people, things coming back. I might.
01:08:38
Speaker
stay up in the middle of the night to watch Wrestle Kingdom. Kenny Omega is going to wrestle Will Ospreay. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely going to watch that and not wait for it to be on axis. I don't know if I'm going to wait. I'm not going to wake up at midnight on my wife's birthday for that, but, um, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to watch the shit out of that and FTR against anyone they could be going against.
01:09:02
Speaker
You've changed, man. This guy watched, was it Wrestle Kingdom with you the day his kid was born? And you won't even wake up at midnight on your wife's birthday? I mean, we have before. We did live commentary once one year for it.
01:09:24
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, it's mainly that I still think there's going to be a lot of really shitty Wrestle Kingdom matches I'm going to have very little interest in. Like, I don't think I'm not super amped for New Japan, like nothing. I'm amped for a couple. I'm amped for AEW guys in New Japan, especially since we don't see that very often anymore. I have very, very little interest in the world title match. Very remarkably little.
01:09:54
Speaker
like may go to bed a little early. You know, they go back to bed. You're like, I'll fall asleep. We'll catch up on this one later. We'll see what happens. But no, I mean, FTR Kenny Omega, that would have that would have been enough to sell me a ticket. You know, yeah, that was.
01:10:10
Speaker
Were we expecting that? Did we think like, I kind of. Well, Tony Khan did at the, the post game thing, Media Scrum. He definitely threw the scent off where he was basically like, don't expect any of that. Like, and he didn't even mention that FDR was already announced. He was like, well, you know, we're going to try to have some collaborations, but I can't name anyone specific yet. And I was thinking, I'm like, no, FDR that's been known for weeks. Like it's not a secret.
01:10:36
Speaker
But then he was also talking about how they are going to be on the west coast. You know, we have a dynamite in Seattle on the fourth and then and then getting everything. I'm like, oh, you know, that's a shorter direct flight from Seattle to Tokyo. But it's like, come on, like.
01:10:53
Speaker
We would all be very happy for Kenny missing one dynamite. And then he's like, oh, and we have a live rampage that Friday. So it's like, yeah, Kenny Omega is not Kenny Omega and FDR are going to be a fucking rampage. So shove that down your ass. And how good does it even if your guy misses one fucking show, but you can show clips from Wrestle Kingdom of him in the Tokyo Dome, possibly winning a title, you know,
01:11:19
Speaker
Well, and also guys, like, I don't know one of the first things when I heard about this Kenny Omega business, one of the very first things I'm like, Oh, good. TK is gonna pay ball. So we're going to get another forbidden door in the United States. And that's where we'll finally get Kenny and Okada on American soil. The end the end of the series. Guys, it's gonna be a hot ticket.
01:11:45
Speaker
But hear me out. Boom. That's it. And boom. Do it like WrestleMania two, right? Where the three locations are the boot and elks lodge, the three in West Virginia and the metal club in St. Louis.
01:12:04
Speaker
That's the wrestling festival we're gonna put on. The pre-determined podcast wrestling festival will be a three location event next year. That people are gonna be like- After you and I purchase an NWA. Right. It's gonna be an NWA event.
01:12:20
Speaker
People are going to be like, Chris, when you turned 40, did you have some kind of midlife crisis? And I was like, I don't think so. What'd you do that year? Well, I put on a three location wrestling event in New Jersey, a Buffalo Wild Wings in West Virginia, and a metal bar and a strip club in St. Louis.
01:12:39
Speaker
And you know what? Why keep it at buying the N.W.A., right? With the current dumpster fire that's Twitter. You remember with like MySpace when it kind of went away and then it came back as trying to be like a place to find new bands and it was like just focused on music, not social media. We also buy Twitter and we make it just a wrestling. It's just wrestling gifts. Fightful.com staff reporters and Donald Trump because it was in the contract.
01:13:11
Speaker
But he can only tweet about wrestling. He has surprisingly detailed opinions about FTR should have been on the pay-per-view. Where were they? We find out that Trump is like, you know, Oz would have won. He would he would have won his race except for he wouldn't come out and support a Wardlow. That's a bad move. You got to like you got to like Wardlow in Pennsylvania.
01:13:38
Speaker
He said, Britt Baker, that's not controversial. You gotta like Wardlow too. Great guy, great guy, guy surrounds himself with great people. Keeps himself in the best shape. He's a champion. He plays a symphony.
01:13:55
Speaker
So tall. Yeah, the symphony is like very sophisticated. Attractive man. I think if I were him, I would have sex with my daughter. If I were him, I would try to have sex with any member of the Trump family. Including the patriarch. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe you could turn things around with him.
01:14:22
Speaker
This shows been all over the place today. Yeah, I just want to I feel like we're running down here But I just want to mention one more thing about our pay-per-view experience, which is that there were a lot of kids there Oh, yeah, a lot of kids and one of the best things I've experienced at a wrestling show this year is a father trying to explain to his son that
01:14:42
Speaker
Sting, Darby Allen, Jeff Jarrett, and Jay Lethal. Okay. So who's, so yes. Yeah. Sting is an older guy. Yeah. Um, and Jeff, well, he hits people with a guitar. Yeah. That's the thing he does. What did he do? We're thinking like he was gotten to the fact that he wrestled Effie earlier this year and nearly murdered Ric Flair.
01:15:02
Speaker
Yeah, like look at that kind of year. He was inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, fought Effie, almost killed Ric Flair. Now he's fighting Sting, which we were also joking. We were like, this is probably the match that's happened the most times on like any wrestling show that we've never been interested in.
01:15:26
Speaker
Right. You're such an atheist. And it's like, oh, come on, guys, didn't you see Genesis 2007, the classic those two guys had and like, oh, and then there was Slammiversary 2009. You're like, I don't know. Was it on impact in 60? I. Oh, Jared. Jared looked great. He must be using whoever like him and MJF must have the same, you know, fitness coach.
01:15:55
Speaker
which while you're saying the same juice guy. It's QT Marshall, both for both. It's a guy named Hubert Griffin Humphrey. They just call him HGH for short.
01:16:11
Speaker
Um, don't kid yourself. Let's Brian cage.
Return to Regular Schedule
01:16:14
Speaker
Um, all right, everybody. I think, do we have any facts? It was good to see you, man. It is. Yeah. I should be back on the regular. I've been away for a longer than I expected, uh, some stuff going on, but I should be, I should be back in the mix. Uh, you know, but I think the show has been better without me. So, uh, you know, maybe, maybe I won't be all the time.
01:16:38
Speaker
I mean, if you miss just listening to Chris and I come up with some tomfoolery and yes and each other, then that is... We'll see if maybe we have a week without as much actual wrestling to talk about, and then I'll judge.
Independent Wrestling TV Promotion
01:16:55
Speaker
I will also, I will put in a quick plug. If you have independent wrestling.tv, a couple of new events from extremely serious wrestling were released today. Um, and on one of them, a character that will look very familiar to anyone who's seen my face on Instagram, the ultimate bother.
01:17:12
Speaker
Um, teams, uh, with, uh, the big floss man, he's a dentist, much like Britt Baker, um, to wrestle, uh, Diane Fossey and a gorilla. And, um, you could find this amusing. And in fact, I think, I think what you want to do, if you want the full predetermined experience is watch that match and then immediately go watch a hard way heater death match and just really get the whole predetermined experience on independentwrestling.tv.
01:17:39
Speaker
That's true, two predetermined hosts on IWTV. Wrestling very different matches. Extremely different matches.
Hardway Heaters Match Recap
01:17:50
Speaker
I'll feel bad if I don't bring up Hardway Heaters. I only got to see his pit match, but the guy he was up against threw a chair in a very awkward way straight into his mouth. And then Hardway took the chair and sabbood him so fucking hard.
01:18:10
Speaker
had to have been a receipt because the guy threw the chair in such an awkward way. And even commentary was like, the first time was like, Ooh, that looked bad. And then when he threw the chair, he's like, Oh God damn, that looked worse than when he did it. So it was a fun time. They are beating the shit out of each other in the pit. And then he did, did it again the next night. I haven't seen that one yet. It's a gamut out of Breast. Always check out Hard Way Heater matches.
Social Media and Humor
01:18:37
Speaker
All right.
01:18:39
Speaker
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