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Speaker: The like wrap bubbles, the shipping bubbles, actual bubble wrap. Yeah. set of The simulated rubber bubbles. Hey, Molly. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker: Well, what am I supposed to include the like, that was like a second half of sentence. we should We should start off that way. I was finishing a thought about bubbles. Okay. that's I guess we we can edit it out. We're making it realistic, coming into the middle of us. Yeah, let's start by saying Matthew had a thought about bubbles.
Speaker: We always artificially start in media, Russ. Like we we kind of construct a second half of a sentence to... give the impression that this is kind of a very organic thing. But today, this really was it begun in media rest.
Speaker: It was possible to swing that into, you know, Molly would have ah maybe even talked about the difference between ah fidget toys that are designed to simulate ah household items that children stim with.
Speaker: You're putting Molly on rails right now and telling her what she should talk about. You're the one who put her on rails. I think it was very catty the way that you totally shut down bubble talk to say, welcome to the podcast, Molly. I don't want to talk about bubbles.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Derek, do you want to introduce our our guest for the week? Yeah. It's Molly. Hey, everybody. Hey, guys. Good to see you. Good to see you.
Speaker: That was sort of a professional... That's professional. sort of professional. Yeah. It's professional to say we say Molly, but just in the in the furtherance of being professional, I regret to have said that because not one of our listeners is able to see Molly right now. They don't have the pleasure. They can only hear.
Speaker: um and that goes for all of us. And there will be no video episodes coming. Well, let's not describe what we're seeing either. You saw my cat. Yes. some cat Some cat action. We all have white rooms. That's something that I'm noticing. Yeah, we all made that choice.
Speaker: That was not foisted on us. Beige-ish white walls. We decided that. We all have Scarface posters everywhere. That's true. I can't believe I didn't say that first. But yeah, our big Scarface. The world is yours. We each have a different take on Scarface.
Speaker: I have the kiss. The two women laying in bed kissing. You know that one? Yeah, you're the only one of us who has that. Oh, you don't have that. Matthew has the ah Pink Floyd poster where the album covers are on the ladies.
Speaker: Yeah. Yes. I have ah the cat, the inspirational cat. You guys know what I'm about to say? Sure. Meow. Well, because you can see it. Yeah, it's the inspirational cat.
Speaker: It says meow. What else would an inspirational cat say? Sometimes it hang in there, baby. Hang in there is what I was going for. But I got the original.
Speaker: Is the cat saying that or is someone else saying that? Someone else is saying that. The cat is saying meow. It's originally a dialogue, but ah in most detournement of that, ah people cut off the cat's response, which is meow. Meow.
Speaker: And they they got the cat to say, hang in there. just just yeah you're You're not listening. You didn't pay attention. Someone is saying that to the cat because the cat is hanging on for dear life. I understand.
Speaker: Like, what is it doing? It's like on a clothesline or something. Also, the cat doesn't need to hang in there. There's something about a cat that I've read that it's able to survive Great Falls. um And the person who's advocating that the cat hang in there is like actually stressing the cat out, probably. What I find very touching and and and sad is is when a cat is...
Speaker: ah hanging accidentally like trying to get down from somewhere but the claws are embedded in a fabric and they're they're just sort of feeling their own weight and hanging by their own claws it's horrifying that mufasa moment um mufasa does that lot hang in there mufasa do you think the person was sarcastic when they said that like oh great dumb ass can't even get down hang in there yeah i reckon It's hard to convey sarcasm online and via text.
Speaker: That's why it's important. It's important to posters are online. Oh, yes. Posters are online. Posters are the memes. That's right. Cats are the original propaganda characters. You know, like all cats are like, oh, my God, it's a political cartoon slash inspirational poster. Come to life. When I say a cat in real life, I'm like, that's Pepe.
Speaker: That's some Pepe bullshit. That's living Pepe right now. But yeah, Mufasa was like... ah Do you think Scar was being ironic or sarcastic? Do you think Scar was being sarcastic when he said, long live the king? And then... and then and and He had like a British accent or something and none the other lions did?
Speaker: Yeah, he was using dry wit. Because he was a monarchist. Right, so he believed in the king. Yeah, i feel like a lot of the people in Lion King are monarchists. And very few are sarcastic.
Speaker: Yeah, I feel like sarcasm doesn't show up until like ah maybe Timon or Pumbaa enters the film. a and and Until then, it's like sarcasm doesn't exist in the plains of Africa. The Lion King franchise is about the um idiom good times. What it?
Speaker: Good men... good lions in this case menre soft times or no soft lions good men draw good lions are Pumbaa the other one ah monarchists or republicans or whatever what are they yeah they all seem to they're kind of they're bootlicking a little bit they fall in line with like the lions are at the top of the hierarchy oh yeah they run into a child like crypto guys you're a prince you're the boss of us
Speaker: Yeah, they're like ah they're just sort of like scummy gooners until they meet Simba, and then they find out that he is Nepo, and then they're like, oh my god, we can finally do our coin. yeah And then they start hawking crypto with them.
Speaker: But it is accurate to say that they were gooners, right? Yeah. there's yeah I feel like Molly is the expert on that, though, right? Yeah, I'm someone who's um seen The Lion King once.
Speaker: I... As a child and never again since, I definitely and i up with the characters and what they stand for. Why did you never return to it?
Speaker: You know what? I saw the live action version and it was the worst movie I've ever seen in my whole life. I forgot they did that. It was like a hundred degree day and I was like, yeah, I'll see a movie. That sounds good. It's so hot. I'll do anything. And then i i regretted it because the movie. wait Live action.
Speaker: i thought it was CGI. Yeah. But it's still just live action because it's photorealistic. And I think they did shoot some real background plays in Africa. But they didn't like do the thing where they had real animals and they were doing like the floppy mouths?
Speaker: No. No, they're CGI animals and they do the floppy mouths. And it's very scary. Yeah, it's very like dull, right? I wouldn't be surprised if that turned you off of movies forever. Going to see The Lion King in all on a 100 degree day.
Speaker: i did stop seeing movies after that. i decided the form had reached his peak and it was time to finish movies. The art form ended the real, the first line and it ended with the second lion King. Yeah. And then they came out with lion King one and a half.
Speaker: The hell was that? There's still some good Lion Kings being made, but they're mostly pretty low budget, kind of obscure independent films you that you don't see in big kind of cineplexes.
Speaker: No Budge, mostly. Yeah, no Budge Lion King, just like filming some garbage cats and hang it hanging in there. They're not releasing that many physical copies. Like if you want to rent it, you have to go to the Blockbuster like twice a week and check the the L's um and like just hope that someone returned it recently. I forgot about that issue.
Speaker: What do you mean that people aren't returning their stuff of of going to the video store and having to return again and again to to check for Lion King when you're trying to watch it or something or some movie of that nature, you know.
Speaker: you forgot it because You haven't been to the rental store in a while, but it is still happening. I haven't wanted to watch The Lion King while, or ever, really. i i also never... i think I saw half of it as a kid and walked out.
Speaker: and And I was like, I'm not doing this again. this is You said, i think I'm just going to go play instead. i With bugs or rocks or whatever. um Good news, they have bugs in the movie.
Speaker: True. But it's almost for Matthew, was like a commercial break. Yeah. Matthew was like, this is this isn't a ball. Yeah, you can't toss this. It's just visuals. It's just empty visuals.
Speaker: One thing we learned about Matthew is he's got to be stimming. He's got to be playing with something at all times in order to to hang in there. Yeah, Derek, why were you saying that you hate bubbles? Because I feel like we're kind of united on like bubble popping is like one of the most fun... I never said I hate them.
Speaker: I said I don't want to talk about bubbles. no then Then we'll just get off on a bubble tear and it'll that'll be all we talk about. I'd like to ah like to ask Molly about ah this podcast she's doing.
Speaker: Yeah, I have a podcast coming out October 27th. It's called Jenna World. And it's about Jenna Jameson and the history of porn and the people in porn and the movies they made and media. It is a little bit about it. It's definitely about video stores a lot.
Speaker: So... Kind of a tie-in to today's conversation. yeah i guess porn porn was more ah kind of out in the open in family spaces. That that's that was like a huge part of going to the the video store. Did they have that at Blockbuster? Not at Blockbuster, but if you went to a...
Speaker: A different video store, like 2020 Video, which is where I always went, they would have like a little curtained off adults only section that was like, eight you must be 18 plus to enter this section, literally behind like a little curtain.
Speaker: Yeah, I remember sometimes would be like beaded curtains, like you make a little sound as you went through and alarms could go off. yeah I remember as when I was a kid with with my family, we we we were at the video store and we lost my younger brother, who's maybe five or six at the time.
Speaker: And it didn't take long, but we we found him in the ah the NC 17, whatever, whatever was, the porno section. ah And he kept explaining that he was simply in the comedy section.
Speaker: ah and when asked for an explanation, he just kept pointing to the images of breasts on the covers. And he's like Van Wilder.
Speaker: but it makes sense. I mean, comedies, comedies too, especially at that time, they were all, they all just had huge knockers on the cover. It was this just the exact same. They would be like, unrated American pie. Right. How unrated could it possibly be?
Speaker: Yeah, more than two nipples per pair of breasts. That's like literally where my mind would have gone as a kid. I'm sure the more vulgar the breast is, that would just require more nipples because seeing ah seeing the nipples is the utmost.
Speaker: It never occurred to me that having no penis down there was somehow more vulgar than a pair of bare breasts, but it turns out that that counts as nudity, as having no penis at all.
Speaker: Somehow that's sound know that's wrong to see. um but that that would mean that all the like Barbies that I had um completely stripped naked, that that I was actually seeing something that I shouldn't have seen when I found their penis-less ah unders.
Speaker: Barbie an abomination, sort of. Barbie is just G-rated porno, right? Barbie is based on ah on a sex doll, right? Based on a sex doll, yeah. A German sex doll.
Speaker: Wait, what? So crazy. She's German? Yeah. i guess she I guess she looks German when I think about it. She's Aryan. Yeah, it was like a ah pinup, ah like so sort of sexy pinup like doll. You get like a what?
Speaker: and I don't know where people bought these things. You know, a German doll store. right. The beaded curtain in the in the regular child's doll store. And then you walk through the beaded curtain and suddenly you're in the comedy doll section.
Speaker: I could be wrong, but I think the doll was even based on like a comic strip or something about like kind of like a witty, confident, like call girl. I could. Am I am I wrong? i think that sounds right.
Speaker: this other i think that. Sorry, what? Oh, was that's what the Barbie movie was about. about ah ah but About a call girl. Yeah, German call girl getting a doll made of her. hey There was an opportunity there to like show the factories where the Barbie was ah was made and like the melting silicone in the mold of Barbie.
Speaker: It's kind of weird how they didn't do that. um No, they just showed what they're like the boardroom of Barbie. ah fer what Did they like present the people in the boardroom as like evil exec type people? like They were more like a doofuses.
Speaker: yeah yeah didn't They were like season 6 Homer, not season 1 Homer. They didn't understand that little girls love Barbie the world round because she's a real person who lives in a land. How did they get their jobs if they didn't understand that?
Speaker: They lived in the real world, which just has different rules than Barbie world. Molly, I have questions, I think, not even from Reddit, but just I'm curious about this. I don't know much about Jenna Jameson.
Speaker: um she's like I understand she's like a 90s porn, very famous. I guess, why is she famous? And how much porn did she do?
Speaker: She got really famous because she became sort of like the mainstream crossover porn star. So she was a porn star, but then she was like always going on regular television.
Speaker: So she was on like Howard Stern a bunch of times and she was on the Jerry Springer show. And then she kind of became like the spokesperson for the porn industry who was like hey, I'm a real person and I make pornography, but I'm also a human being. Wow, so it is literally like the plot of Barbie. She like went from porn land into the real world and people started to ask her questions about the... In world, everything is solved through fucking.
Speaker: And she's from Las Vegas, which is... you know And her mom was a showgirl, so I think she kind of was primed to understand the ah kind of like showmanship of being a porn star.
Speaker: But um the thing I keep saying about the podcast, it's also just like interesting to me. She was so famous and now she's kind of like lost to history in some way that people don't. She was like one of the most famous people. And and now like people don't really know who she is.
Speaker: um She's on TikTok now. She's a out came out as a lesbian. She makes videos on TikTok. She gets in a lot of like lesbian TikTok drama, which is funny.
Speaker: She was kind of like the last big monocultural porn star before kind of the internet changed that. And she came out of this like porn studio system where there were like porn studios and they'd each have girls who were signed to that studio that they'd market.
Speaker: So she was kind of like the... oh yeah. There weren't free agents. It was just like they had a like a roster. Yeah, it was like Vivid Entertainment had a thing called Vivid Girls where it was like they're called Contract Girls. And so the idea was that they had like contracts to make a certain number of movies and they'd get paid like a good amount and get promoted. um And then streaming kind of like destroyed the studio system. So it's also kind of about how the porn studio system got destroyed right before streaming.
Speaker: that started to happen to the rest of the mainstream studio system. The canary in the proverbial coal mine. Yeah, totally. And like porn, it's always a little ahead kind of on technological stuff and media format shifts and stuff like that. So like, don't know if you guys have seen Boogie Nights, but Boogie Nights is about the kind of shift from filmmaking and porn to video of people shooting on film to people shooting on video.
Speaker: which led to the video store thing we were talking about. And then Jenna World is about the shift from video to DVD and then DVD to the internet.
Speaker: um And how kind of piracy and tube sites and stuff like that basically like took all the money ah out of the business that they went from making like billions of dollars to ah not that much anymore.
Speaker: the studios. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And like the porn stars. Yeah, the trickle down from the studios. Yeah. Yeah. People were making so so so much money on like physical DVD sales and then they weren't anymore.
Speaker: where where Where are we headed next? According to porn, like what is, a do you think like they'll have an OnlyFans equivalent of Netflix or something where um I sign up and I pay to watch, ah I don't know, what does Netflix fucking produce these days?
Speaker: I think that Netflix is OnlyFans, right? OnlyFans was trying to like like pivot into non-adult stuff and people got mad at them because they were like, we're going to stop having porn-type stuff and everybody was like, that's your whole brand. like You can't just... right like a lot of things like what would happen with tumblr Yeah, like a lot of a lot of things when they're first trying them out, it's like they'll try... Porn will be the first thing that gets tried out on a new media thing. And then as soon as it goes legit, they'll be like, no more porn.
Speaker: Happened with like eBay too. Like but early eBay was all like people selling their panties online and stuff like that. Really? then they were like, we don't do that anymore. So... Yeah, where do you have to go to do that now?
Speaker: i think just in the pawn shop, the... ah The general store. um i i also think it's, I haven't been thinking about this a lot because I was like, well, you know, it was a ahead on all these things.
Speaker: And then like, as I've been making the podcast, it's very much been like, oh, they're gonna, it's it's like the thing that's happening now is like censorship. They're trying to ban porn again now through Project 2025. That's like one of their big things is like banning pornography.
Speaker: Yeah. And full ban. Yeah, well, what they're doing is like adding age verification stuff to the tube sites like Pornhub, but that means that like your full ID is connected to everything you watch on a porn site. so rather than do that, people just start using sketchier porn sites again that are like less regulated. Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Like Pornhub is now sort of the good one because they, you know, check people's ages and check that stuff is submitted consensually and all that.
Speaker: um And then if people don't want to use those sites, they're going to start using ones that are not and are sketchier. So it's like a lot of things where it's like in an attempt to kind of peel it back, they're going to make it sketchier again and drive it kind of back underground.
Speaker: even though it's been technically legal since 1969 when they ah allowed nudity in movies. What if I made a joke that I was masturbating right now because of the sound of your cat um flopping around? That'd be kinky. That's a good way to not make the joke. What if?
Speaker: What if I did? Good thing I won't. yeah That was simply the cat the sound of a cat. People have always wanted to ban porn, right? But it does feel like there's sort of a different ah tone to the to the outcry right now. don't know. There's like a specific kind of puritanism. It's almost like we just figured out porn and now that's why it feels so wrong to suddenly ban it. It's just like we just got to the end of it.
Speaker: It's like, oh, it finally is like finally like you know gets more diverse and progressive and then they're like, that we can't have this now. Right. I also wonder if like, i mean, what you were saying about ah the studio's weakening and this sort of ah sort of roster of like professional pro official porn ah performers, if if that sort of, I don't know, the the end of that sort of I don't know if if that system kind of made things more comfortable for people like, OK, here are the poor. Here's this world of porno. And then here's the rest of the the the non porn world.
Speaker: And I feel like people are threatened in this way of like, oh, like pornography is permeated everyday life. and I've seen people be like, oh don't they don't like the sort of like amateur, you know, and when OnlyFans was like, we're going to stop having adult content, there was this big backlash because people were like, no, that's your thing. But I also think people kind of understood this like in 2021.
Speaker: I think a lot of people kind of understand that like the economy is so bad, and that's why people might need to have an OnlyFans is because no one can make a living off their main job anymore. so like the word amateur is bizarre to use because you're professional. i mean, amateur just means...
Speaker: it all the only difference is they're not like working with a studio right they're professional and they're working for a living yeah it's a real like there were things that were bad about the studio system and there's things that are you know not great about only fans but it's not kind of like an either or so a lot of there's a lot of like porn star activists um sort of talking about these issues my friend siri doll did a a telethon kind of to raise awareness because I think a lot of people don't even know about this sort of porn ban and the fact that like a lot of Project 2025 things, it's like, oh, they're not kidding. They're really going to try and do this.
Speaker: um And they're also having... like Similar to other content stuff, there's a lot of issues with AI. There's a lot of like AI porn being made now and stuff. that like but But it's like a like all AI. It's not really just generated out of nothing. It's like scraping other people's content and putting a different face on it, which is very creepy. And so like one of the people I follow is like, yeah, you know you don't want to be...
Speaker: gooning to clankers. we We actually talked a bit about clankers. I mean, i find I find clanker to be so much more offensive than gooner. um Yeah.
Speaker: But, no, i I think it's very funny to imagine the ethical gooner who's like, I only joke off to AI goals because no one's getting hot. And, uh... Instead of like knowing, actually, Infinity Girls had to be exploited for you to be able to jerk off to one AI clanter.
Speaker: yeah I only jerk it to amalgamations. only It's the only thing that can get me hard. It's an amalgamation. I only jerk off to like this vortex in like hell ah instead of ah but like subscribing to my friends OnlyFans. No, that's dirty. I would never do that. I would rather do it to the computer monster.
Speaker: A lot of it, too, is just people being like, there's a lot of like transphobia involved. They're like, oh, if people see... I think that's the biggest thing behind Project 2025 is i think a lot of these conservative guys, I mean, you can't even bring up Freud. They're almost transphobic of Freud himself.
Speaker: like I don't think you can even talk to them about the theories of Sigmund Freud without them like screaming the T-slur. But it's so clear that they desire to be ah to basically have a gender at all. Because like they love performative masculinity so much that they think that gender isn't but gender performance isn't real, that the performance and the being are the same thing.
Speaker: And then when they imagine someone who owns their gender and then also might have the same sex organs as them, i think that... And then, of course, and then they jerk off to people who have those characteristics.
Speaker: ah by and large, the statistics show, or the just the word on the street is. No, I mean, I think that's it. I think they are sort of, and there's a lot of research that people who say that they have porn addiction are also people that are just like really repressed conservatives who are sort of like,
Speaker: nobody should be doing this, especially not me. But it is, it's pretty blatantly transphobic because it is like anything that kind of draws attention to like gender being fluid or performative. They're like, we can't, no, it's, it's natural. It's everybody's born with a little, little blue tie or a little, you shouldn't perform sex at all because that's not real. People should only have a real idea of, of what it's like. It's immoral to perform this, to view it with artifice of any kind.
Speaker: Yeah, and if there is something special that you like, you have to find it out in the world and physically aggress it. There's no way to engage with it. And I was like, if they really do manage, if they are cracking down on porn online, like maybe...
Speaker: video stores will come back. Like maybe people will start exchanging physical media again. like Kind of culture. yeah Like, cause there was a period where people were selling porn videotapes, but like not legally kind of like in the back room of adult stores and stuff like that.
Speaker: ah and state by state, a lot of red States were, you know, that's where they prosecute it because it was kind of like illegal to transport obscene materials across state lines.
Speaker: So i do wonder if we'll have a return to like people buying and selling physical media of. It seems beautiful. After they ban porn and burn all of the porn, you will only be able to jack off to like a naked woman on a guy's arm.
Speaker: will only be able to jerk the tattoos and guys will travel from town to town and, It's also like people did used to jerk off to like the craziest stuff because of lack of access. It's like, know, there's all these jokes in sitcoms about people jerking off to like the JCPenney catalog, you know, lingerie section or something. the tree with a wig. Right.
Speaker: I feel like the real the real horrifying, i think, truth that and I think part of what's behind this antipathy towards porn is that you can jack off to anything.
Speaker: Right. i mean you don't even need You don't even need a thing, but you can be looking or engaging with anything and be jacking off and probably have a fine time or discover something.
Speaker: Every guy I know who's told me that they have a porn addiction or that they're trying to stop watching porn. When I ask why, they always say, well, I just started. I went down the like rabbit hole and I started getting into some weird shit that I don't want to like.
Speaker: that i mean Shit, you don't want... You like it. You just don't want it. It was better when guys could only jerk off to Mrs. Buttersworth. He's caressing the bottle. I have to stop buying syrup.
Speaker: um Yeah, it is funny because it's like they everything works until the two-second period where you have to look at what you were just looking at, but with a wet hand. And then you're just like, look, I like it up until the moment that my hand is wet and I'm looking at a thing and it served its purpose.
Speaker: That's when it's like you've you've like literally transmuted into like a third person. You walk in on yourself jerking off when you come out of... the zone and you're just like, well, put that away, kid. But it's you. You're both your own dad and you're the child.
Speaker: It is like, oh, my God, bring back the shamefulness because it'll help them jerk off better if they. I think they're like, without porn, I'm going to need some source of shame. So let's just pre-bake the shame in. And hopefully when we wipe the slate clean and then there's no bumpy phalluses or nipples on this bright horizon of the sexual matrix, when it's all flattened and grooved out, hopefully we'll be left with a permanent sense of ah post-ejaculatory shame that lasts a lifetime.
Speaker: instead of ah chasing one little crumb of post-ejaculatory shame at a time. I also kind of think that porn addiction is a subsect of screen addiction, which everybody is addicted to screens and addicted to phones.
Speaker: And it's just a part of that. It's kind of like the... You're stimming within a larger stim. Yeah. It's like everybody can't stop looking at their phone even though they say they want to.
Speaker: There are very few guys carving a woman out of wood and then jerking off to that. Because if you go outside and you start working with your hands, you just naturally become sexless. It's because you can easily just Google a picture of ah a chiseled wood woman and see that in a second. So why chisel? Men used to have to carve wooden mermaids to put on a bow of a ship. And then on that same ship, they would be like...
Speaker: ah please don't let one of these um wooden carved mermaids into the men's room. um Or it's going to piss me off. yeah And they'd be having gay sex.
Speaker: Yeah, they'd be like, can we just have normal gay sex? I don't want to play with gender at all. I just want you to be you and me to be me. Hey, we're all semen. They would say stuff like that. It is cool wanting porn to be taboo so that you can enjoy it.
Speaker: That's such a sick... I feel like there there is like a truth. Yeah, that is what's so sick about it. They're like, we have to make it illegal again so that I can get that shame high that I used to get. Yeah. People were saying the same thing about ah about weed for a long time. And I think some people still say this. I mean, at least in California, I remember people saying this all the time when the kind of sentiment around weed was changing. It was like...
Speaker: Well, i'll I'll, I'm like people who smoke weed would say, well, I still want it to be illegal because I, I want to like go hit up my, my plug and I like the whole thing and it's kind of, it's countercult, keep it countercultural.
Speaker: Do you, do people miss that though? Do people miss having to listen listen to your pot dealer talk about something you don't care about for like half an hour so you could get pot?
Speaker: Yeah. I learned a lot about lost. Yeah. I don't think I would have gotten that otherwise. I learned that there was actually a way to stream Adult Swim content 24 hours.
Speaker: but We should just open a weed store. I did actually like that that kind of interstitial period when weed stores had just become legal, but they were still like so scary and would have like a like a terrifying iron door you had to get buzzed into.
Speaker: you were like, what's going to happen in here? That was a fun moment. On the flip side of that, there were also sort of open, friendly spaces where therere where people were encouraged to kind of lounge and smoke and kind of be convivial. hated that. That was worse to me than that. Whenever I entered those environments, yeah, night and nightmare.
Speaker: that That said, it's probably the seed of something, maybe. I think it's not a seed. I think it's like an echo of the peep show. i think it's like, well, this is where the only place that men can get together and shamelessly all do their weird sex. Well, that's what I loved when Fred Willard got caught jerking off at the Tiki Theater on Santa Monica.
Speaker: you guys remember that? i don't remember that. I do, yeah. Fred Willard, the comedian, who was sort like... The late comedian, right? Yeah, truly like, and not known for like working who working blue or anything. like Not known for jerking off.
Speaker: Yeah, not like a sexual comedian, played a lot of sort of like affable. He wasn't being funny when he was jerking off in this theater. But I was like, oh, that's so beautiful. he's he still goes to like the the last porn theater L.A. Yeah.
Speaker: yeah Because it's what he's always known. That is so sweet. Yeah, you you should have to go somewhere to goon because it would help the economy. Well, it's like going outside for a cigarette. I mean, the switch from smoking cigarettes to vaping, I think, ended these important rituals going outside, you know, seeing the feeling, the weather, maybe having a conversation with someone outside the building.
Speaker: It's the with watching. not cool anymore They should have goon chairs at the mall instead of um the masseuse. They should have a guy sitting there in a special chair jerking off.
Speaker: I was just going to say that there should be a convenient replacement for the bottle of lube that men use to jerk or lotion that men use to jerk off. And it should be it should be as groundbreaking as the vape. like Your phone should be able to secrete from like the um USB port just a tiny bit of Gooner lube.
Speaker: Yeah. and yeah ideally And just just so again, so that we can make it way more simple and easy and like less have less ritual around the entire process so that people people can be like, no, man, I like buying my lube from the store. I don't I don't like the shit the phone gives out.
Speaker: People would do that. that well That would be like a cultural touch point. There are people... phone lube just doesn't hit. If you go the sex shops, like Romantics, which I have gone to just because I like that it's open 24 hours and weird in there, and very well lit and all run by the people who work at sex shops now are all cool trans women...
Speaker: like cool goth girls um but there are always guys like going into the jackoff boots where i'm just like wow they don't either they don't know that they can do this at home or they just love to go somewhere wow i mean are they're not having conversations with other people in the jackoff no they're like going to the right it's like parallel play being like five dollars of jackoff booth please and then they like go in with little tokens whoa, I didn't know that there were jack-off booths at sex shops. I was just in like two sex shops in Europe. I mean, maybe it's in more of an American thing, but i it made now that you're saying it, makes sense.
Speaker: Maybe I just didn't notice them either. Maybe there were booths and I was like, those must be changing rooms. Yeah. I mean, I feel like in Europe too, they have more like official red light districts. And that was a lot of early pornography too, was like for these kind of jack jack-off booths. Yeah, it was like loops. They're called loops and it was like... like Oh, like Vine.
Speaker: They were like, yes yeah, no, it is like, yeah, just like a little bit. And those were kind of like, like no names listed or anything. Just like a lady is dancing.
Speaker: ho ba hoba i remember going to a a screening a long time ago of some, uh, like, uh, vintage, vintage pornography. I think it was, um, uh, was it 16 millimeter, whatever it old, old film.
Speaker: And everyone in the audience was so, uh, they were they were so shock They were so shocked that that the porn was dirty. Yeah, totally. that i've I've been in that situation a couple times recently where people start walking out because they're like, oh my God.
Speaker: link Yeah, they thought it'd be this like cute, sort of endearing, like, look at how like grandmas and grandpas try to be sexual in a video before we knew how to be edgy and No, some of the 70s ones are crazy, too. I mean, that's what's interesting, too, is like the ones that are the porn that are kind of real movies with plots and stuff. Right, where you're supposed to be emotionally invested. Yeah, that's gone in and out of fashion a lot, but it kind of always comes back. Yeah, the sort of like Apple storification of the gradual Apple storification of pornography, where it used to be like, ah yeah, shot on film with hairy bushes and all this textural, where almost like
Speaker: you know yeah Just the even the idea of a porno shot in black and white, this idea that like this fundamental element of reality is disregarded in the visual language of porn, or like that the film itself is going to degrade over time. like It's going to lose its relationship with the reality that it's simulating just as a physical process.
Speaker: But now it's like with digital video and HD and... like Yeah, with the the porn needs to be as... It's lost its relationship with reality from the beginning. It has to be as crystal clear as possible. and It's literally like the mirror world. It's like ah it's like Wonderland instead of like, no, this is like ah this is pure grunge and it's only going to get grungier. It's like, well, now it's the hyper real. It's like, yeah, I guess there was never this idea that porn could be hyper real before.
Speaker: Old porn probably smelled like a wet leaf. That's your basic point, right? It's not even that, because even that is like, ah I guess it's like old porn smells like a legit, like rotting chemical smell. Like this idea that it was like silver nitrate that was like treated in a plant.
Speaker: And now porn has like no smell at all. Or like, yeah, i don't know. It's almost like it's it used to smell like a sarcophagus. And now it smells like Windex. Both good smells.
Speaker: Both great smells. but but Yeah, I think the Apple storification, it's true, the also of weed stores. Like weed stores went from those kind of scary ones at first when it got legalized where like a doctor would call you on a video call and be like, yes, of course you have anxiety. Here's a prescription for weed.
Speaker: I'm in a different state. um And now they are like these horrible Apple stores for weed. Yeah, sterile. Who wants that? Yeah, sleek. Yeah, the salesmanship techniques. you need a guy who's like forgetting what he's doing 20 times while selling you weed.
Speaker: ah okay I have a question for you, Molly. i don't know if this has ah come up in any of your research or conversations, but has there ever been like someone who has endeavored to create porn, whether it's an on-camera or behind-the-camera talent, who has said, I want to create the best singular work of porn in history? Or do they all think of it as like,
Speaker: Okay, well, that's so interesting to me because I wonder if any if everyone has had this thought, but it might be cool just for shits and giggles. I don't know if I want to get into the industry, but it would be cool to make the greatest pon work of porn that anyone's ever seen and then retire from the industry.
Speaker: But I wonder how many people get into it just for that reason and then end up staying in it because they need to practice in order to make their... lot people get into it because they want to make movies and they can't break into Hollywood, but they can break into porn. So they start making porn and then in porn, they get to like direct movies and write scripts and stuff. And like...
Speaker: A lot of performers end up directing. So there's like a lot of female directors in porn compared to Hollywood because there's like no barrier of entry. There's not the same kind of like gatekeeping around the idea of directing. It's just kind of like, yeah, you know what what a camera does. You can direct.
Speaker: But um before it was legal, movies were kind of like authorless and you didn't know who was in them or anything. And they played them at like frat houses and stag parties is what they're called. But the first guy who invented kind of like auteurism in porn is this guy named Bob Chin, who's a Chinese American guy from California who went to UCLA film.
Speaker: And he invented porn franchises. So he... Invented this franchise called Johnny Wad for John Holmes, the porn star, famous 70s porn star, and made a bunch of movies where John Holmes plays like a private detective named Johnny Wad.
Speaker: And those were the first real like auteur porn movies. And those movies are all really funny and good. And then more recently, sort of the last attempt to create a great... Because that's like the holy grail for people is like a porn movie that's so good that people watch it all way through.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. They finish watching it. And so there was this movie, like when you're talking about the HD stuff too, there's a movie in the tooth early 2000s called Pirates that was made by a studio called Digital Playground.
Speaker: And Pirates was the last like super big budget porn movie And it was intended to be this kind of like crossover. um i think a lot of parents rented it by accident because they thought it was a children's movie about pirates.
Speaker: um Oh, my God. they like made an r rated cut of it to show that people could show that doesn't have sex in it and there was this idea that porn was just going to keep getting more and more high budget and right h d cameras people are really like h d you know every which is i think not what people want to see they don't necessarily want to see naked people and like that level of detail But that was like right before the crash with the streaming crash. And so that movie is really funny and interesting because it's like sort of I've seen it.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah, just looking it up now. I've seen this. Yeah, it was like shot, you know, they have like sword fighting scenes and stuff. um And that guy also was like a June who directed it was like also like a film school grad who really wanted to make art movies and then ended up in porn and was like, well, I'll make a porn art movie.
Speaker: And there's always been people trying to make a good movie. I mean, I feel like, yeah, I mean, it's it's where you can innovate. I saw i saw the best the best reality TV show I saw was on, ah I think it was like ah like X videos or one of the one of the big sites, but it was a reality show, kind of like America's Next Top Model.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. So-called everyday people compete little sort of challenges are sexual to win the spot of like the next top porn star. And it's ridiculous. None of it really works.
Speaker: But they show like the process. and Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, just like the attempt to kind of capture spontaneity is like really interesting because that's like what people are always trying to get in porn is like something unexpected, um something real.
Speaker: And so, yeah, there was like a lot of reality TV porn stuff. Right now, there's a lot of porn podcast stuff, both porn stars who have podcasts as like a side hustle and There's a thing where people make porn where they're doing a podcast while filming the porn, which is the funniest thing I've ever seen. Whoa.
Speaker: Struggling to be articulate. Yeah. It's like they start doing an interview and then they start having sex and they try to continue the interview. It's so funny. And it kind of like fails as a podcast and fails as porn, but it's like really interesting to and people try. There's no such thing as something failing as porn, right? As long as one person gets off, ah you've you've made a ah niche video.
Speaker: I was just going to say when you were talking about how some people want to break into it that ah I had this like ongoing project for a long while that I'm finally ready to admit that I never want to work on again, but...
Speaker: It took me like ah years of like ah downloading people who are doing self-tape monologues of a specific Tyler Durden speech in Fight Club where he talks about how everyone wants to be famous one day. But people are performing it wanting to be famous actors.
Speaker: There was this whole like built-in irony behind people choosing this monologue as a showcase of their acting abilities. And one guy in particular did the monologue like six or seven times over the course of his acting career, like both when he was first starting out and then he kept re-taping it because he was like, this is the best. He was like sort of a buff guy who maybe be even experimented with steroids.
Speaker: And ah that guy is now, I think, like one of the hottest male porn... When I say hottest, I mean like up and coming. One of the most up and coming male porn stars. I don't want to dox him or anything because he has a real name and a porn star name.
Speaker: You're not your fucking khakis. Yeah, exactly. um Because the monologue itself is also just like about like how ah you know you're never going to be a movie star and you know we're all we're all too sexualized. It's just crazy that that monologue spoke to him for so long and then he was like, I actually think what I've always wanted to do is be in the industry at all costs. And then also, I think I'm really good at like this style of performance.
Speaker: And yeah, just like very kind of ah shocking and also like extremely cool. like and I don't know if I'm speaking to anything other than like the work itself, but and don't know how common it is to see someone that you followed had a parasocial relationship and then you have a porno social relationship with them.
Speaker: the ultimate social relationship. And it is kind of like now everybody's on camera all the time. Like it used to be kind of for freaks to be on camera um or want to be on camera. And now it's like, everybody's on camera.
Speaker: If anything, now the market is so oversaturated. There's so many people making adult content that it's like impossible to get a foothold. you know And there's just so much stuff and people don't have that much money to spend on it and they don't spend the type of money they used to spend on it because they pirate it. but I do just feel like there's you know there's room for innovation.
Speaker: It's a real underground film industry in many ways still. There's just like lots of weird, interesting stuff happening always. Yeah, people are making porn with the meta glasses, the the virtual virtual porn. ah i I tried it. It was it was terrible, but...
Speaker: It's so much like podcasting, too, where people are like, you just got to find a hook. You got to find the subway takes of porn or whatever. Like, do it somewhere weird and see what happens if people like that. Yeah, i I keep thinking that there's got to be like a new way to... But yeah, I mean, just...
Speaker: Having new cameras can't be the only way to iterate, but it does feel like there is not much iteration left until Project 2025 successfully bans it. Then we're going to see some serious iteration. But i maybe the ah maybe these underground porn artists of our time were getting a little bit too cozy with the with the Apple storification and ease with which people could access it. And it was... um It wasn't challenging them to challenge us anymore. now ah Now that they're all scandalized by a reactionary government, maybe we'll start to see some really creative stuff.
Speaker: Yeah, maybe it'll bring it back to a place of underground kind of guerrilla filmmaking. Do you guys want to answer any Reddit questions? It's been so fun to talk to you about this. ah you know a lot of the Reddit questions scratch the surface of ah of our relationship to porn is in this sick society, but it's cool to just sort of engage with it directly. with It's almost like we're the Redditors.
Speaker: Almost all the Reddit questions we prepped for this episode were variants of, can you tell us a little bit about your podcast, Molly? Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, they're not super relevant to what we were just talking about. They don't have to be. they're They're never relevant. See, we captured that spontaneity we were talking about. All we need to do is have an abrupt change of topic, and that's spontaneity.
Speaker: That's right. We went off the rails and we just go back on. Guys, you like the Lion King? Yes. Let's get back to this. Simba is sort of an interesting character, always thought.
Speaker: Yes, they should call him Simpa. and he Yes, he's a simp. He sucked up to his loved ones. Isn't Pumbaa slur? That means something, right? It sounds like it should. If it doesn't...
Speaker: it It ought to. i have a neurological condition where I hear every word as a slur. It's like the face face blindness type thing. or Pumbaa, cursing under my big ass.
Speaker: Whoa. Well, I was thinking that we could read two-sentence sadness from Reddit. um I'd be very into that. But they're they're so brief that I guess it will almost be like a dessert to our episode.
Speaker: This is a ah subreddit where it's based off of... um Or it's a spinoff of a subreddit called Two Sentence Horror, which is ah essentially a set-up punchline approach to short horror stories, where the first sentence is maybe unassuming, but the second sentence has a Tyler Durden, Kaiser Soze-esque twist,
Speaker: that changes the reality of the first sentence in such a way as to make it scary. But two sentence and two sentence sadness, I'm not sure if people are agreed about the form itself. I think it's just two sad sentences, usually. but This isn't like set a punchline. It's just two different sad things. I think it's just two sad sentences. And i I'll just post a few in here. and Maybe we can each take a stab at reading them and talking about how sad they are. I'll i'll happily read these two negative negative thoughts.
Speaker: I fell in love while in hospice with stage four lymphatic cancer. Thankful to have experienced that before I'm gone. He passed away two weeks ago without ever knowing I got pregnant. Damn. Okay.
Speaker: It's like fitting as many bad things in as possible. Damn. Well, at least the writer survived. and so but There's always a silver lining. And they're a writer.
Speaker: Yeah, it's... um I mean, he passed away two weeks without ever knowing I got pregnant. ah Could that also be something... Would it be sadder if it was like, he passed away two weeks ago without ever knowing that I got prom queen?
Speaker: ah Or... No, because I guess... ah Pregnant is better. Pregnant is better than probably already workshopped this and they're sad writing group.
Speaker: I think the thing I'm unclear on, i mean, the first sentence I fell in love while in hospice with stage four lymphatic cancer. Thankful to have experienced that before I'm gone. Are they thankful? Well, I guess the answer is obvious.
Speaker: Are they thankful to have fallen in love or to have experienced stage four lymphatic cancer before died? Did they fall in love with stage four lymphatic cancer? Right. The experience. it's so And they were pregnant. It's the trip of a lifetime.
Speaker: Yeah. But is the person... I don't think the person writing this is experiencing cancer. I think they fell in love with a cancer patient. I think like we're missing word No, it says they were in hospice.
Speaker: They were in hospice. they had I fell in love. Wow. yeah I guess you're right. With this. That's like saying I fell in love with a cold. I fell in love while having a cold. had a stuffy nose and i got a crush.
Speaker: um Here's another sad one. Molly, if you want to read this one. My brother told me that he would give me all his pocket money if I made it to the other side of the frozen lake before him.
Speaker: Then he pushed my wheelchair onto the ice, laughed as his friends mocked and teased me over my desperate attempts to escape the ice.
Speaker: Damn. Damn. That's cold. That's cold as ice. so they pushed this thing, pushed our hero into the ice.
Speaker: And laughed. And laughed. Nothing really that terrible happens in this story. You'd think they're going to die or someone's going to die get hurt. But this the sadness is just this person is in a wheelchair. that I am sad that this person's brother was mean to them.
Speaker: They clearly got out of the ice. They didn't fall through the ice and die or they couldn't have written this. And ice has an innate sad quality to it. Ice, wheelchairs, and teasing.
Speaker: pro was three right a Frozen Lake. Frozen Lake is almost spooky. you know i imagine the story taking place at nighttime. um Yeah, two sentences sad and scary.
Speaker: A frozen wheelchair really gives me the shivers. A frozen wheelchair? yeah Ooh, that's cold. The idea of sitting in an ice-cold frozen wheelchair and trying to move, trying to use it, but the wheels are frozen shut.
Speaker: My brother stuck my wheelchair in the refrigerator and made it really cold. And then his friends laughed at me. as I tried to get it out of the freezer, they laughed at me because my ass became stuck to it. Like, this is a, I guess you could write a two sentence sad story, but it can just be about someone experiencing humiliation.
Speaker: Like I was as small, I was as small as an M&M and everyone took turns stepping on me. These people that sad a lot of words also.
Speaker: know. Check out this one. Speaking of verbatim, sad stories. These are literary experiments. Here, Derek, you want to read this one? Here. I was called a monster by my family for reluctantly giving up on my drug-addicted mother.
Speaker: So when my cousin asked me what she should do about her alcoholic sister, I told her to always keep trying. Period. The withering glares of my family as I stand at my cousin's funeral who killed herself due to the pressure will forever be burned into my brain. The withering glares. So everyone is mad at them because they said don't give up.
Speaker: And then they encouraged another family. or no okay The family is all in agreement that this is it's their fault for saying that they shouldn't give up on her alcoholic sister.
Speaker: And this person killed herself because the alcoholic sister was so annoying. When you know someone is struggling, you're supposed... The moral is, when you know someone is struggling, you're supposed to give up on them.
Speaker: That way, they don't experience pressure. before you kill yourself. Just before you kill yourself, give up. Right. And you'll be relieved of pressure. And that's sort of a sad story where the hero hero can't catch a break.
Speaker: But also everyone around the hero is um is suffering as well. It exists in a world of sadness. This person is one of is is you know similar to those people who say sweatshops are actually good because of blah, blah, blah.
Speaker: ah There's some logic to it. These are the people who believe if someone is struggling with a drug, you should completely cut them out of your life to punish them or or make them.
Speaker: Or just to enjoy the idea that of that of your own rightness. Like you are not an addict. And so this is the only time where you get to be so right that you ruin someone else's life more. But people like this always kind of relish being called a monster. I mean, the first sentence is kind of a brag. It's like my family thinks I'm a monster for reluctantly making this call. That was a painful decision where I had to cut off my mom.
Speaker: Yeah, it's like a monster, but you know, ah Yes. What is this withering glare? It's withering. This is a comment from that last story. This is one of my favorite, if not my favorite two sentence sadness story that I've read.
Speaker: i appreciate how it's a different issue from what's typically seen. The twist with how the POV gave up on their mom, but inadvertently put that same pressure on their cousin and then the cousin creating another tragedy. Yeah.
Speaker: Additionally, this is something that I can relate to, though thankfully not to this extreme. Hugs if you need them. so So many words just to say I can relate to this in theory, even though I don't have a strong connection to it.
Speaker: Your feedback should be less than two sentences on the subreddit. Yeah, I was going to say, this person got three sentences for the feedback. Yeah. how the blood Well, you just have to imagine that for sale baby shoes never worn can engender a very robust critique.
Speaker: But if we all had to write a review of for sale baby shoes never worn, that is either the same amount of words or less than. and wonder how we would get on on with that.
Speaker: I would just say never liked someone asked me about someone asked you about For sale baby shoes and you don't need to know the context. Yeah. why Why do we need time?
Speaker: Or just understand that baby shoes exist and you will logically find what's sad about that. Yeah, no dead baby necessary, but a dead baby is a two-word horror story or sad sadness story.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. Dead baby comes back to life. Yeah, I mean, if you have a negative outlook on life and you're in a ah just poor mood, generally, any sentence can be read or construed negatively. So that's that's really all you need is the right mindset.
Speaker: You said never liked. Never. Well, that's my that's my review of ah baby shoes. Never worn dead baby. Short story. Quite sad. Never liked. Bummer.
Speaker: Didn't like it. Bum me out. Don't write that way. I prefer novels. Hmm. Okay. here's ah Here's a really good one. This one I think we all have some kind of relationship with.
Speaker: He happily gobbled up the treat he had only ever smelled, never having been allowed to eat chocolate before. Every dog should get to try chocolate once, the vet said, and offered a box of tissues to the crying family. Oh, so they didn't give chocolate. Oh, no, no they did give chocolate.
Speaker: Wow, that's so sad. Also, what a terrible vet. Is that a common ritual for a vet to do? It literally is, I think. Here's a sentence.
Speaker: There is a murderer. There is evil in the world. Bam. Done. there is evil in the world bam done Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. usually We um try writing one. I do feel like it's a fun challenge. They are all like, ahoy, said the child murderer. Yeah. yeah get I'll get you one day, said the ah horrible assaulter.
Speaker: you Maybe you want to read this one, Derek? I thought the worst thing was my wife cheating with my best friend. Then I saw the tiny finger bones in the soup and realized their affair had cooked up something far worse.
Speaker: What? This belongs in two sentence horror for fuck's Not only did my wife cheat, but she also cooked a soup filled with fingers. um is This is the saddest day of my life.
Speaker: and getting thought she simply betrayed me, but she's actually really psychotic. She's crazy and weird.
Speaker: Are the fingers supposed to be? Whose fingers are they supposed to be? I don't understand this. Dead baby. Dead baby. I see. These are dead baby jokes.
Speaker: Yeah, they are dead baby jokes. Yeah, it's a tiny finger bones. yeah Yeah, the affair. was like, the only way I'm going to sleep with my husband's best friend is if I kill our child and eat it. The only way I can get these babies fingers in a soup is by killing a baby.
Speaker: I thought the best friend had tiny fingers. yeah would be That would make sense. That's the evidence. ah You must have fucked my best friend. I'm eating his fingers.
Speaker: The saddest thing would be this guy's best friend was a baby. Fucking loser. that I can't imagine something more sad. Do people really cheat?
Speaker: is that really a thing or is that more of like a literature thing? That's only in porn. Okay. I'll read this. Every year on this date, I'm reminded that today was a day that should have never happened.
Speaker: For 12 years, you've treated me with the same disregard as you did on our wedding night. That's a two-sentence message. I'm saying I regret getting married. That's sad. It's not a great marriage.
Speaker: I regret my marriage. I regret my marriage. Goodbye. two sentences. Yeah, that one didn't really have a plot. No, just it's just pure sadness with no characters, really, except for the wife and or slash husband.
Speaker: These are supposed to be made up, right? like People are like, I am crafting a story. These aren't people being like, this happened to me. Because I do think most of the things people say happened to them on Reddit are completely made up.
Speaker: I think this could be... your maybe you Maybe this is what you're trying to say, and and I would agree with you if this is the point you're trying to make. This might be the most... non-fictional subreddit of all. This might be where people actually go to.
Speaker: People are really showing what they consider the saddest possible thing what they what they come up with. they have They have total free reign. They can come up with anything and they choose, i regret my marriage. I mean, fine, but that's that's very that's very revealing. That's very revealing fiction to choose.
Speaker: Here's a really good one. Maybe that we can go out on this one. Molly, you can read this one. It's ah it's so poignant. Her tears land silently like words left unspoken. This one's almost like a poem and barely even a story. Barely even two sentences.
Speaker: The rest is still unwritten. i don't really get it. Something must have been sad if tears were going down. And they landed silently.
Speaker: sad tears like words left unspoken or like anything left undone like like it didn't happen almost her words lent her tears land silently like crickets who don't chirp much yeah Like a dead baby. other silent things?
Speaker: yeah or dead baby Her tears land silently like a tree in the on a windless day. Like nothing was happening at all.
Speaker: Her tears land silently, meaning a deaf person would not know that she was crying. or Sorry, a person, a blind ah one person wouldn't know because ah i've ah a a blind person can tell you're crying by how loud the tears are typically.
Speaker: You could turn any of these into a more life-affirming story by just replacing the second second sentence with, oh well.
Speaker: That's the end of the world. ah damn. We'll do something about that. We'll fix that. Kind of like oh like a wah-wah-wah sound effect.
Speaker: The Price is Right losing horn. Yeah. Your tears landed with a big splash. Wah-wah. Wah-wah. Well, I'm glad that we can all laugh at these sad stories together. Yeah, because again, all of these stories, if you really choose to look, they all sad things really do have a silver lining.
Speaker: lot of people don't know this. But it bears repeating. Yep. It's true. If you take one lesson from us, there's a silver lining in every cloud. Is that what it comes from? There's a cloud has a silver lining, right?
Speaker: If the sun's behind it, but if it's at night, then not so much. Right, but that's true of silver itself at night. Silver just looks... You can't even see silver when it's dark.
Speaker: I've never really perceived silver, I guess. don't feel like I've ever had an experience of thinking, oh, so look at that, silver. Well, the thing about silver is that whenever you look at it, you're just looking at whatever it's reflecting. So there is... Right.
Speaker: right It's like saying I love my favorite color is mirror. i mean, I disagree. There's no way. Metal is so crazy. Metal and glass and all that crap is really dumb. That would be a good one for one of these stories. It was like, I hate you so much, he said, into a mirror.
Speaker: because and then yeah the second sentence would be he hated himself so much ever since he really hated himself
Speaker: just reiterating he really hated himself ever since this horrible thing happened that was his fault and then the vet said hooray killed another dog which I like to do evil vet smiled the evil that smiled
Speaker: Good evening.
Speaker: Don't you have the time to have a passenger?
Speaker: Without any worries.
