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Episode 25: Tully Blanchard vs Magnum TA Starrcade 85' & Poetry Time With Brock Lesnar
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During this weeks hangout Garrett and Derrick discuss Tully Blanchard Vs. Magnum TA's "I Quit" steel cage match from Starrcade 1985, Brock Lesnar's book of poetry, Kenny Omega's hair, Joey Ryan's funeral, Ring of Honor's Best In The World and more!
Also, you have until July 17th to enter our contest to win 2 tickets to All In! To enter, leave us a 5 star review on iTunes and send a screen cap of your review to predeterminedpodcast@gmail.com
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Podcast Introduction and New Gorillaz Album
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, happy Thursday and welcome back to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, a man who I am almost positive was more excited about the new Gorillaz record than you were, Derek Alpin.
00:00:15
Speaker
That's that. Yeah, I love the new Gorillaz album quite a
4th of July and Fireworks Discussion
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bit. And if you're listening to this episode, it means that 4th of July has passed. So hope you had a happy 4th of July. Hope you had a safe 4th of July. You didn't have a, uh, an M 80 match and lose a thumb or an eyeball or a leg depending upon the size of your, uh, your firework load.
00:00:40
Speaker
Did you set some fireworks off, Garrett? As of this date being July 3rd at the time of this recording, I have not set off any explosives. I was giving you the opening to admit whether or not you had fireworks present, so... I think they're actually legal in Tennessee, so I think I'd be good if I wanted to.
Family-Friendly Podcast Jokes
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Light some dynamite and hit our music, man.
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Notice I didn't say goddamn that time. I did notice you didn't say goddamn, but you're saying it now, so does that take away from the fact that you didn't? I negated it, but it's just gonna be a smooth transition if we're gonna become a PG, you know, a family-friendly podcast, so... And that's the goal, right? The goal is to not... not say the word fuck.
00:01:56
Speaker
Yeah. So much. Yeah. Not saying fuck. Not saying um. Not saying match is a whole lot. There's certain words that we just like to use a lot and you become very aware of those in the editing process from what I hear. You're reminding me of the beginning of a CKY2K when he's like there's offensive things that you should never say in school like fucks and shits and pussy wussies.
00:02:22
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Let's see what these.
All In Wrestling Event Contest
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00:02:38
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00:03:03
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00:03:42
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00:04:00
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00:04:20
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00:04:45
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Engaging with Listeners: Social Media and Match Requests
00:04:49
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If you're the kind of kind of person who, you know, doesn't want to attend live wrestling, just wants to chat about it. Hey, follow us on the social medias at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter at predetermined podcast on Instagram at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook. Just hop on there. We're having a good time. We're we're just chatting wrestling all day while we're at work.
00:05:07
Speaker
And I also think it's relevant that we plug the social media because one of the things we've been doing, you know, since like the beginning of the podcast is obviously we've been interacting with our listeners on the social media. But lately we've also been taking match requests for things that our listeners want us to check out, you know, on YouTube or on the WWE network and we watch it. And we've been talking about it on the show. We did that last week and we're doing that again this week. So that's a great transition, Garrett. What did we watch this week? So this week,
00:05:37
Speaker
John Veron at I Better Be Funny on Twitter requested that we watch Magnum TA vs. Tully Blanchard in an I Quit Steel Cage match from Starrcade 1985.
Wrestling Classics: I Quit Steel Cage Match of 1985
00:05:51
Speaker
1985 was two years before I was born, Garrett. Did you know that? I did know that, Derek. You know why? You know why? Because you're the same age as me.
00:06:03
Speaker
It's true. We grew up together. I love you. At this point in my life, I was still living inside my dad's testicles. I'm guessing he did not tune into Starrcade85 or attend it. Probably not. Your dad doesn't seem like he gave a shit about WCW at any point in his life. That's not true. My dad watched so much WCW with me when I was a kid.
00:06:30
Speaker
But did he give a shit? I think sometimes. I think there was a time when Ric Flair was on camera and he handcuffed himself to the rope and started taking his clothes off and was demanding something from, you know, the higher ups. And he said, if you turn those cameras, he said, if you cut to commercial, when you come back, I'm going to be naked in here. That was a great promo. Everyone knows that promo. And he may have done that more than once.
00:06:58
Speaker
Is that just a thing? His thing was threatening you with old man nudity. When I think of Ric Flair promos, I think about his face getting beat red, his eyes getting glassy and scary, and him starting to take off clothes, whether it was his tie, or his shirt, or his belt, and then every now and then, he would take an inanimate object, drop it in the middle of the ring, bounce off the ropes, and then drop an elbow on it to show how ready he was to fight.
00:07:26
Speaker
That's a Ric Flair promo. And what year would it have been that, like, we got to that version of Ric Flair that just cries a lot? God, I don't know. Late 90s, right? Was it late 90s that he's just like he got very emotional? Yeah. I mean, I mean, back when Arne Anderson was retiring and Kurt Henning was betraying the Horseman and stuff like that. Yeah. So it was around the time that he had to start hanging out with Randy Orton more.
00:07:53
Speaker
So, well wait, that was like 0304. Now, as a diehard fan of the New World Order, I thought Rick Flair, my initial reaction to my experiences with Rick Flair is I thought he was a little bit of a crazy little pussy. His promos were intense, and I knew that he cared, but I was always watching him get beat up.
00:08:16
Speaker
Do you think that, okay so us growing up during the attitude era, during the Monday night wars, you had the NWO going up, there were very few, I mean at that point Rick Flair was one of the few people that didn't join NWO at any point, correct? Yeah. So when you're looking at the NWO and you had the option of them or Rick Flair as a child, was there ever a moment where you went Rick Flair?
00:08:40
Speaker
No, and that's what was so interesting is that the NWO had a rivalry with the Four Horsemen and then like they obviously had a rivalry with Sting as a singular entity and Goldberg is a singular entity and then they split
00:08:56
Speaker
No, I mean, at what point was I, I mean, I guess like, I think Ric Flair and the Horsemen were there to appease the old time WCW fan base while all the new stuff was going on. They kept them together to appease those people and I get it. But as you know, a 10, 11, 12 year old kid, there was no way in hell that was going to be the guy I got behind.
00:09:19
Speaker
I'm sure there was a 10-year-old during that time period that loved Rick Flair, and I would love to interview him and know what is your 10-year-old self. What was the thing? You're like, oh, man, I liked his watches. It was just way into his watches. Let's go back to where we started here. We were from Starrcade 1985.
00:09:41
Speaker
We watch Magnum TA versus Tully Blanchard for the United States Championship in a cage match that's also an I quit match. And I have to open up by saying these are not usually the kind of, I don't go back and watch matches from this time period very often. And one of the things that you correctly pointed out is that part of it's because most of the people involved look so uncool.
00:10:08
Speaker
and you don't like you don't mean like war Raiders dad fist pumping no I just I just mean completely like visually like like I can like I mean obviously you kind of know what camera in work you're gonna get into you know that it's not gonna be HD it's gonna be a grainier quality you know that the
00:10:26
Speaker
the lighting is going to be darker like you can anticipate all that but then the people you're seeing a lot of big hair and mustaches and lots of chest hair and like half the wrestlers on the roster have black and white cowboy boots on
00:10:43
Speaker
Well, okay, so Tolle Blanchard walks out, and when you see him, like, your first thought is, this guy doesn't really look like a wrestler as much as he looks like my dad's friend Jeff. It's true! And you're just like, oh man. It's so true! Jeff, like, he just looks like a guy. Like, not that he's not in shape. He looks like a co-worker at, like, a serious, like, hard-working job.
00:11:09
Speaker
Like he looks like he could be like the construction worker guy that you don't know that much about, but he's there every day. He is going to roll his eyes at me hard because I don't know how to drive stick. Right. Like like he just he's got he's put together. That is like an adult who's got his shit together, but you don't know much about him. That's totally Blanchard from our naive perspectives because we were not watching 80s wrestling because we didn't exist yet.
00:11:39
Speaker
I'm just saying, if you're going into this now, this is what this looks like in comparison to the guys today, which maybe he was the, like, obviously he's fucking awesome because he's totally blanchard, and we know of his past, but if I had never seen any of his matches, just watch this man walk out and be like, oh man, Jeff, what did you just get yourself into?
00:12:01
Speaker
And then Magnum TA walks out. And I watched this match three times. So it's like, Jesus. Well, you know, I wanted to really absorb it.
00:12:15
Speaker
And it's only like 12 minutes long, so it's a pretty quick one. But as he comes out, my initial reaction is, oh, I've never seen anyone less cool in my whole life. Except everyone I've ever talked to about Magnum TA says he was like the epitome of cool at this time. That he was like considered to be like the next big thing.
00:12:35
Speaker
Well let, okay, so that was the first time I watched it. By the third time, I'm like, oh yeah, this guy had sex before he came out. Like, he looks like a guy who has constantly just had sex. So much muff. Jesus, that's not a fun word.
00:12:53
Speaker
That's Magnum TA. You know what that Magnum was for, man? No, I don't. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I do. So he's got a mustache. Like, this guy looks like an 80s pro wrestler. He's built like one. He looks like he's going to kick Jeff's ass. And just that hair, man, that hair is like, as I'm looking at it, I'm like, God, that hair's uncool. But then I realize, holy shit, Kenny Omega has the same hair. And I think he's awesome.
00:13:22
Speaker
So this brought up an interesting debate between you and me about Kenny Omega's hair and how we feel about it. So you already came right out and said you think that Kenny Omega rocks his hair just fine. I think if he were so that noise, I think that haircut on a different wrestler wouldn't work. But I think Kenny's already so cool that you're like, yeah, I can fuck with a mullet. It's fine.
00:13:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's part of his look. Now, I know that there's a lot of people who have a physical affinity for Kenny Omega, and I get it. I mean, I don't necessarily share it, but I get it. And I think what I said to you about Kenny Omega's hair is it looks like unsauced noodles. And I'm not trying to be a dick. If Kenny Omega is your favorite wrestler, which is a good chance he could be,
00:14:19
Speaker
I'm not trying to talk shit on Kenny Omega. I don't have any issues with Kenny. We very much love Kenny on this show. Absolutely. We're marks for Kenny. We're marks for most of the Bullet Club. But I'm also a mark for a spiffy hairdo. And my man Kenny ain't rockin' that.
00:14:37
Speaker
But he rocks it. I just don't know if it works on like like it's not the kind of haircut that you go to the barbershop and request when I think of cool hair. I think of like Joey Ryan. I don't think of I'm not going to walk into the local barbershop. Hey, give me the Omega.
00:14:53
Speaker
which is funny because if you mixed Kenny Omega with Joey Ryan, you'd have Magnum TA. That's absolutely true. Joey is a haircut away from just being that guy. They did the fusion dance and then they went back in time. Oh, another thing about this match, I do not want to leave this out because it's an important thing that caught me off guard right at the top of the match. Young Earl Hebner.
00:15:21
Speaker
Like, I don't know anything about Earl Hebner's life or career other than WWE and Impact. So when I suddenly saw Earl Hebner reffing a match in old WCW between Magnum TA and Tully Blanchard, I lost my mind. Did you even notice that that was Earl Hebner? I'll be honest, I didn't even notice that it was him.
00:15:46
Speaker
You watched the damn match three times, man. The first thing you notice is the ref. The first thing I notice is we're like two matches from the end of this show and the whole goddamn ring's covered in blood. This says everything about the differences between us on the pro wrestling spectrum is the first thing I did was who's reffing tonight.
00:16:09
Speaker
Oh, it's Earl. Young Earl. Well, just so you know, when I saw all that blood on the ring, like this was like the second or third time I watched it, when I realized, oh my god, that means this isn't the first match, there's been this much blood. So I went back to the first one, click through, no blood. Then I immediately saw who was in the second match, and I was like, oh, well obviously this is where all the blood came from. And I watched it, and it was. It was Abdullah the Butcher.
00:16:37
Speaker
Versus Manny Fernandez, who they were calling... Fuck, what was his name in this match? His, uh, Raging Bull. And, like, just a couple minutes into this thing, they're both gushing. They're both gushing blood, because it's fucking Abdul of the Butcher, so why wouldn't
Humorous Performances and Listener Feedback
00:16:57
Speaker
they be?
00:16:57
Speaker
But then at one point, I was trying to figure out what kind of match it was, and then I heard the sentence. Uh, Raging Bull must fight for his heritage. He must get the sombrero.
00:17:11
Speaker
And I was like, oh fuck, what does this mean? It was a sombrero on a pole match. And Manny Fernandez was fighting for his heritage by getting the sombrero down. And at one point he did a flying cross body. And I don't know if this was a signature move of his or if this was just Tony Schiavone saying some shit that was a little racist at the time. But he's like, ah, flying burrito.
00:17:35
Speaker
And you know, Eric Bischoff wasn't feeding that line to Tony Schiavone at this point, so... Tony's gonna have to own that one. Yeah, that's all on you, Tony. But going back to the Magnum TA, Tully Blanchard match, this thing was pretty fucking incredible. I don't know if I've watched another wrestling match that felt this much like a bar fight.
00:17:59
Speaker
You described it perfectly to me when you said that it was short and sweet. It gets right to the point, gets everything accomplished in a nice, neat amount of time, and yet is still very, very brutal. It's two jacked dudes from the 80s.
00:18:16
Speaker
just punching each other in the face. And one of the things that I really, really appreciated about this match, you really, you guys gotta go watch this because it actually puts some of the I quit matches from the last 10, 15, 20 years to shame. They need to go back to this style. First of all, the microphone isn't like a pretty WWE microphone with the cover and
00:18:38
Speaker
it's it's it's just kind of a whatever a low-key microphone it's almost like a long skinny microphone that Bob Barker would use on absolute prices right that cord is getting in the way they're tripping over it it's a pain in the ass
00:18:54
Speaker
Well, and then when one of them is trying to get them to submit and give up into the microphone, when they get reversed upon and they get struck with a kick or a punch, that microphone goes flying and visually it is satisfying as hell. It really is. And getting to see them use that microphone as a weapon, it really kind of gave me a good idea of where Mudvane got a lot of their stage show from, if you remember the band, Mudvane.
00:19:24
Speaker
Oh my god, a Mudvane reference on this podcast. I feel like Mudvane was sitting there watching Starrcade 1985, saw Magnum TA really just digging that microphone in and thought, I could do that to myself every night. God damn it. Go ahead, Derek.
00:19:39
Speaker
Dig bury me. I don't know the rest of the lyrics. I just know goes One of my favorite things about the song dig I'm not gonna do it on here but later when you're at a party Tell somebody that you wrote a poem and then just read the lyrics to dig normal
00:19:55
Speaker
Don't give it the melody of the song. Just read it. Just read it. My favorite thing to do on the weekends is to go to coffee houses that let you go up and read poetry and break out your reading glasses, take out a piece of paper, and then begin reading the lyrics to Eminem's Kill You, completely seriously. He's been kicked out of a lot of coffee houses. I made this up. I've never done this, but I fantasize about doing it all the time.
00:20:23
Speaker
See, I picture Mudvane lyrics being if Brock Lesnar had to write poetry. Oh my god, say it. Say it the way Lesnar would say it for everybody. Alright, let's pull up the lyrics to Dig. So this is Garrett's impression of Brock Lesnar reading the lyrics to Mudvane's Dig.
00:20:46
Speaker
I gotta get into the Lesnar voice. What's, uh... Fuck, what's it? I'm gonna leave Roman covered in his own piss and vomit. All right, we're in it. All right, take it away. By the time you're done, you're just gonna be wallowing around in shit and piss. God, he's so Irish. I can't do Brock Lesnar, not Irish. Your rendition is Irish Lesnar, and that's fine. I think by now they're used to it.
00:21:14
Speaker
I'm just reading the lyrics to this song right now and it's it's insane of any motherfucker that's thinking they can change me white knuckles grip pushing through for the gold if you're wanting a piece of me I broke the motherfucking mold I'm drowning in your wake shit rubbed in my face teething on concrete gums bleeding dig
00:21:35
Speaker
Bear, I can't do it. You can read the verses, but when it gets to the chorus... That seems so appropriate.
00:21:54
Speaker
My client, Brock Lesnar, wrote a poem that he wants all of you to hear. Did he write it in crown? He is using one of his appearances to read you his book of poetry. So bow down to the greatness. You know, I just thought of a really great segment for this show where we do this every week, where each of us picks a random song.
00:22:23
Speaker
and doesn't prepare the other person for it, and then reads it as a wrestler. And we do this every week for the entertainment of our listeners. If they want it. Nobody asked for this. This is Booker T's rendition of The Thunder Rolls. I'm gonna go ahead and read you the next Brock Lesnar lyrics. This isn't Mud Vane. This is my other favorite song that has the worst, this is the best worst song to read the lyrics to. Take it away, Brock.
00:22:53
Speaker
I walk a lonely road, the only one that I have ever known. I don't know where it goes, but it's only me, and I walk alone. I walk this empty street, on the boulevard of broken dreams, where the city sleeps, and I'm the only one that walks alone. I walk alone. I walk alone. I walk alone. I walk ah, ah ah.
00:23:20
Speaker
Should we get back to what we were talking about? We're bad at tangents, so we're like 25 minutes into this podcast, still talking about a 12 minute match. So, no, I think going back to what you were saying, yeah, Magnum TA versus Tully Blanchard, hard hitting. It's like a bar fight. They're hitting each other in the face. And the coolest part is when they grab the microphone and they go to try to get the guy to, you know, make him submit, make him say he quits.
00:23:46
Speaker
They hold the microphone down to their face so that the other guy is like screaming and howling in an agony and I turned to my girlfriend while this is going on and I said some of these screams sound like the screams from Josh and the Blair Witch Project when he's off in the distance getting mutilated by the Blair Witch. Like these are painful agonizing screams that I wish they did more often like today when they have an I Quit match.
00:24:14
Speaker
Well, that's what John actually said. The listener who submitted it said that he's a horror director, and he said this gave him a better understanding of directing horror.
00:24:25
Speaker
really is just overall this match and I agree with you like the hearing them because they're basically sticking the microphone into the other guy's mouth so you're hearing him very clearly and the guy doing the shoving of the microphone he's muffled but they're both just screaming and the screams are so real and I don't know if I've ever seen selling like this in pro wrestling like that's a great way yeah that's a great way of putting it
Realism and Grit in Wrestling
00:24:53
Speaker
Just, I mean, there were moments when Tully Blanchard stood up and he's got like his, you know, he's kind of doing the put up your dukes thing as he's standing. But he's stumbling in such a way that it, I mean, for all I know at this point, it's just fucking real because these guys are covered in so much blood. And it's not just coming from their face like Tully Blanchard busted his arm open and has blood gushing out of his shoulder at one point. I mean,
00:25:17
Speaker
This is a pretty nasty match. It's a real quick, really violent little show. Well, at one point they get a, it's like a lawn chair, like a deck chair. That just flies from the heavens. Yeah, over the steel cage. You know how Stone Cold has the guy that chucks him beers from his cooler on the side? This was like that, except it was like a wooden deck chair. It gets thrown in the ring, it gets broken up by Tully Blanchard, and he turns it into like a giant steak.
00:25:46
Speaker
or a skewer, or a giant splinter, and he's threatening to stab Magnum TA in the head with it and then ends up getting reversed. Oh, I mean, it's that moment in a movie where you're watching somebody get a knife put to their face as they're struggling to not get stabbed in the face. That's absolutely what the drama was. But in a pro wrestling match, that's not... I mean, I understand that it's an I Quit match, but he was going for the kill.
00:26:13
Speaker
totally was going to kill real it felt super real and then there was even a moment where magnum ta as he's you know fighting to not get stabbed in the goddamn eyeball he knees totally blanchard in the ribs and you think okay he's gonna reverse this but he comes right back at it right oh my god like it actually started to become pretty stressful
00:26:35
Speaker
Can we talk about how gritty the cage itself was, too? Oh, the top was so sharp. Yeah. I mean, there was nothing dressed up. I mean, this just felt like they had stolen fencing from somebody's the back of their warehouse or wherever. I mean, this was just like a legit cage.
00:26:54
Speaker
I, it's something that we don't really talk about too often. We're so used to either like, you know, a hell in a cell or an I quit match or a last man standing match. I thought it was unique that they did an I quit match and then confined them into a cage. And I liked it. I liked that they kind of mixed like a couple different match styles for this, for this particular match.
00:27:15
Speaker
Oh, for sure. I thought that was. Yeah, I don't know if I had ever seen that before, but it makes sense for the I quit. I feel like in a normal I quit match, they end up just going all over the arena, but making them absolutely 100 percent have to stay within the ring. Right. And I mean, throughout this, did we really see any, you know, wrestling moves like any, you know, suplexes or any we didn't see any power bombs? It was just this was a fucking brawl for 12 minutes.
00:27:43
Speaker
They got and it shows you don't need a ton of time to really convey like a really brutal story.
Upcoming Wrestling Trips and Events
00:27:50
Speaker
They may have had a couple wrestling moves right at the beginning but it didn't take long before there was some blood streaming down the face and like you said the mat was covered and they're throwing them fists.
00:28:02
Speaker
And guys, you have WWE Network, get on there, look up Starcast, or not Starcast, we're gonna be at Starcast, I don't know if you know. Look up Starcade 1985, look up Magnum TA versus Tully Blanchard. It won't take you long at all to get through, totally worth your time. I was very happy I watched it. Thanks for the suggestion, John.
00:28:22
Speaker
Oh yeah, so far you guys recommending us matches, your two for two are technically like five for five on recommending a shit that I have thoroughly enjoyed. So keep it coming. Please, please keep them coming. If you have a match you want us to watch, please tweet at us at Wrestle Hangout. You know, send us a message on Instagram at Predetermined Podcast. Let us know on Facebook at Wrestle Hangout. We want to talk to you about these. And this was fun as hell. I want to keep watching matches.
00:28:51
Speaker
Oh, but I did want to tell you I watched a I watched totally Blanchard do a shoot interview. And what was it was the match the inspiration for doing this? Well, I wanted to see him talk about this match.
00:29:06
Speaker
and one of the see totally blanchard well this was totally blanchard from the video said it was 2016 but I don't it's hard to say the video looked a little old but he basically he specifically got asked about this match the video clip was eight minutes long for six minutes he started complaining about people saying wrestling was fake
00:29:30
Speaker
Like that hurt him. Oh yeah, he got hot in this video. And no one brought that up. They just asked him about that match and what that match was like. But I guess that must be his go-to match for like, do you think wrestling's fake? This is what I did. But then he started going through what other performers are gonna cut themselves open for you. And he said the sentence, do you think a doctor would cut himself with a razor blade so you could
00:30:00
Speaker
It's ludicrous. And then I couldn't stop laughing. No, I don't want my doctor to gut himself like that. I would not trust that man. We're into pro wrestling, man, though. This doesn't make sense.
00:30:18
Speaker
We watch people willingly. I mean, no matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be ECW. It doesn't have to be a deathmatch. These are still guys going out there like it on a good day. They're still taking some bumps that would probably ruin most of our days. Well, and from what I looked at on Starcast or God damn it, I kept going to keep saying Starcast.
00:30:41
Speaker
No, I'm gonna keep watching these matches and it looks like everybody used color back then. Look, because the canvas is just so bloody that by the time the last guys are going on, they're just rolling around in other dudes' blood. That's why, as you've pointed out before, Ric Flair's forehead is just tissue paper that you just barely gotta tap. And next thing you know, he's spurtin' blood.
00:31:04
Speaker
Like I said when we started talking about it, I haven't watched a lot of matches from that era though I don't know if it's just because I feel out of my element and I don't have like a personal connection with a lot of the guys that wrestled back then or I don't know what it is, but Like we said if you have some more match suggestions send them send them our way We'll check them out. We'll talk about them on the episode Maybe not for 30 minutes like we did this one, which is fine. We love talking about it, but I
00:31:30
Speaker
12-minute match, 30-minute review. Well, there was a lot of nonsense in there. Brock Lesnar sang Mudvane. He sang Green Day. There's a lot of nonsense.
00:31:43
Speaker
You're getting your money's worth this episode. But, hey, you actually, you're getting ready to take a trip here soon. Why don't you plug your trip out west, Garrett? Oh shit, yeah, I've got a couple bucket list items coming up here. So I've always wanted to go to a wrestling show at the Cow Palace. That's pretty rare, it seems that there's, you know, actually, what was there? A couple years ago, there was a pretty big indie show there and I believe Cody fought Joey Ryan in a steel cage.
00:32:31
Speaker
and because you're going and what is it about the cow palace specifically like what is it that makes this such
Historical Wrestling Venues
00:32:38
Speaker
a draw what is it about this that makes it a bucket list venue for you much like all state arena was you know like there's there's there's these arenas and there's these venues that people feel obligated to check out why is this one of them
00:32:38
Speaker
at the Cow Palace.
00:32:51
Speaker
Well, I mean, when you look up the history of the Cow Palace, it's been around since, I mean, it was built around the time of the Great Depression to be used as an actual cattle barn. And I don't know, I want to say, as I was reading, it looked like it was somewhere around the 60s, 50s or 60s, that it started being used for pro wrestling matches. And if you just look at the history of this building, everyone had wrestled at this place. It was just, you know, it was a big wrestling venue with a lot of history in it.
00:33:18
Speaker
And I want to be able to experience that, you know, getting to see New Japan's first show in San Francisco. Pretty cool. If I recall correctly, I do think when I was watching Attitude Era or whatever late 90s, mid 90s, WCW, I think they used to run shows out of the Cow Palace. Like when we were watching as kids. Yeah. And then didn't wasn't there a show out of the Cow Palace where as in the where Eddie Guerrero won his World Championship?
00:33:48
Speaker
If that's the case, man, I didn't know that. That's a great piece of trivia that you just brought up and stumped me. I feel like I should know that. I'm pretty sure, I'd have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure that's where Eddie Guerrero won his first WWF title. His only WWE championship? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's where it was. That's pretty cool.
00:34:09
Speaker
So you're going to that, what, in just a couple days? Yeah, I'm going to be flying there on Friday. And Friday, luckily, I get to check another one off. There's another promotion I've always heard great things about in Oakland, California, which is Hoodslam. I've heard that this is just a wild show. I know nothing about this, man.
00:34:26
Speaker
I've seen, I don't know, I've always seen a lot of articles on Vice and different sites like that about it. It just seems like a really fun, wild show. I mean, it looks like I'm gonna get to see Joey Ryan, see Brian Cage, so hopefully also see some new wrestlers that I've never heard of.
00:34:43
Speaker
So you'll be reporting back to us on the next episode about how this trip went.
00:35:00
Speaker
You take people to the nicest places for their first pro wrestling match. Oh my god, I think I told you, one of my friends that's going with me to Joey Janela, lost in New York, that's gonna be her first match ever. Oh man. Yeah, she's gonna see PCO in the first one. I don't know how you go back from that. You're quite the host, man. You didn't prepare me for my first deathmatch experience the way you probably should have, but it made for a great episode, so I'm excited to hear what everyone has to say.
00:35:29
Speaker
So speaking of death matches, I think the listeners are going to have to do some poking you with a stick. Yeah, you really want me to go the week after All In, there is a GCW show up in the Chicago area that Garrett really wants me to go back for another death match experience.
00:35:51
Speaker
But the main reason I want you to go back, right now, Metal Dave and Justin are trying to convince Greg to go back one more time. And I really want you to go and get some audio of Greg. I want you to sit right next to Greg. You should sit in between Greg and Metal Dave.
00:36:09
Speaker
Is Greg like a mythical being on this podcast? People need to hear Greg like that was you know I hear more people mention the deathmatch episode than any other one and people were really sad they didn't get to hear Greg's voice.
00:36:25
Speaker
You know what we need to do, and I think it would totally work as a podcast episode, I think we should just do an episode with Greg talking about death matches. Just getting his opinion, the way we debated what death matches are to wrestling. Get Greg's thoughts live on the podcast, because I think people want to hear it.
00:36:46
Speaker
And you know what we could also do? Send you there with just your iPhone and you interview him about that as it's happening in front of you both. Garrett, we were at one of these. I don't know if I can just like.
00:37:02
Speaker
I'm gonna be so preoccupied trying to make sure that I don't die. I don't know if I have it in me to record a guy while I'm avoiding light tubes coming at my face. Hey, I'm the one doing the editing, man. I'll figure that out when you send me the audio. Thanks for caring about my safety, my friend. Hey. Oh my goodness. Last time we went, a man was about to dive into me with a bunch of light tubes. I tried to run. You pulled me back. So...
00:37:28
Speaker
Basically what you're saying is you're trying to sabotage me and send me on a suicide mission with the hopes that at the absolute worst, you'll get some great Greg audio. Hey, and you know what? This is called the Nick Gage Invitational. I'll think about it. Is that what you want to hear? No, I want to hear yes is what I want to hear. I want to hear you commit to it right now. Can we just get to all in first, man? Can I just look forward to that without also planning my funeral? What if this sells out before all in and you don't get in?
00:37:57
Speaker
I don't think that if I show up, and I offer them money, that they will refuse to let me in. You might be a fucking narc. You didn't get a ticket. They might kick you out. This shit's in the back of a Foreman Mills. It's illegal. They let me in, and then the guy who starts the show is just like, everyone here had a ticket? Everyone paid in advance? Except for this guy right here. We don't trust him. He's here to rat and ruin the show, and then I die.
00:38:24
Speaker
you got yeah so what you need to do to look more like you belong is immediately when you walk into the building light up a cigarette you need to be smoking inside when you go in and they're like okay he's cool he's cool he goes by his own rules oh my god man i like i said i'll think about it
Wrestling Legacies and Influences
00:38:47
Speaker
I feel like that's the best I'm gonna get out of you right now and I don't have to be happy about this but trust me if it weren't such a long drive I would be up there with you going I want to talk about something more pleasant to get my mind off of my potential death come September after all in well it was Cody Rhodes birthday this week
00:39:09
Speaker
Go with that, like where are we going for Cody Rhodes birthday? Okay, so it was Cody Rhodes birthday, I saw his brother wish him a happy birthday, and I saw a picture from a match that is- You said his brother. Goldust. Yes, there you go. Can't I not just- people know who-
00:39:26
Speaker
Cody Rhodes brother is. You didn't even say Dustin. I'm sorry. Oh, you're saying it's offensive to Goldust, a future Hall of Famer that I didn't call him by name. Okay, I understand that. I apologize, Dustin. Plus, I'm pretty sure Jeffy out there.
00:39:44
Speaker
Is a big gold dust fan right? I think he is and oh speaking so yeah, we have a Listener of the show Dalton he goes by Jeffy wrestling and he is delighted when anyone on the internet refers to him as Jeffy And now we're doing it on the podcast now We're doing his pants right now, but no I think the thing that made him happiest is PCO responded to him the other day and called him Jeffy and
00:40:10
Speaker
How did I miss this? He's like, thank you, Jeffy, I will, or whatever the fuck he said. But just Jeffy coming out of that man is hilarious to me. Okay, but what Dustin posted was a picture from Battleground 2013 of Dusty Goldust and Cody.
00:40:31
Speaker
and I started reading about it and everybody was saying this is a pretty underrated match you don't hear a lot of people talking about this one so I went back and watched it it was those three versus the shield or it was really you know Goldust and Cody versus Dean or no Dean was the US champ at the time so it was Seth and Roman
00:40:52
Speaker
And the crowd was so hot on that match. Just the build going into it where you get to see the shield beat the shit out of old dusty roads. That's how you get some heat. Good stuff. Oh, it was so good. And it was so crazy to see the crowd going so nuts for gold dust.
00:41:13
Speaker
It seems like such an oddball match, don't you think? It really does, and I don't know if it was just the inclusion. Honestly, I think it was the build, because it was, which is crazy, because it was one involving Stephanie and Triple H, you know, going against Dusty.
00:41:30
Speaker
And there was a point in the build when it showed Triple H making the Big Show hold Dusty and knock him unconscious. And you see Big Show just crying, tears streaming down his face, like, I'm so sorry, Dusty. And then just punch an old man straight in the mouth.
00:41:52
Speaker
Big Show is always getting abused by authority figures on WWE programming. What's up with that? I just put it this way. If you need Big Show to do something for you, he's easily manipulated. But he has an ironclad contract, man. And now he has like a 12 pack. That is. He's shredded. He is. That's terrifying.
00:42:11
Speaker
He's figured it out at his age. I'm jealous. Eventually we're gonna hit a point where WWE doesn't want him anymore. He ends up at Joey Janela's Spring Break 7. And he's just doing backflips and shit and fighting Walter.
00:42:27
Speaker
can we talk about the new being the elite because I feel like we don't talk enough about that show on this podcast and this week's new episode was really really good yeah I have only recently and like the last couple months
00:42:42
Speaker
a hit.
00:42:58
Speaker
I think it was because the quality of the song was so bad. It just reminded me of something that I would have recorded on a video camera as a kid. And for whatever reason, I just...
00:43:18
Speaker
I don't know. For some reason, that tickles my fancy. I don't know why.
Being the Elite and All In Speculations
00:43:23
Speaker
But this week, they did some other things. But the main segment on Being the Elite this week was the funeral for famous dick wrestler Joey Ryan. I'll never get tired of him being referred to as famous dick wrestler. But here's the funny thing. He's not the only dick wrestler. He's just the most famous one.
00:43:44
Speaker
Oh, of course. Guys, if you haven't already, and I'm sure a lot of you have, because I'm sure you're subscribed, please check out this episode. So many hilarious moments in it. It doesn't matter if it's the SCU stuff, which is still funny, and maybe their funniest one to date. It doesn't matter if it's Marty Skrull singing, if you like pina coladas.
00:44:09
Speaker
Oh my good lord, I was in tears watching this episode. God, even the part where Flip was trying to capitalize on the fact that Joey Ryan was dead and try to be like, well, Joey Ryan's dead. So I guess this means that there's an open spot at all in and Cody looks at him.
00:44:43
Speaker
Hangman Page has killed Joey Ryan. And we know that Joey Ryan's ghost is gonna be at star cast, so we have to imagine that Joey's gonna show up at all in. But Hangman has been blaming Arrow actor Stephen Amell for the murder, who is also going to be at all in. Could this possibly end up being Arrow and Joey Ryan's ghost versus Hangman and someone else possibly Flip Gordon?
00:44:52
Speaker
was so much hate in his eyes.
00:45:09
Speaker
I don't know, man. There was a twist, two twists, technically at the end of the episode, where somebody behind Hangman Page admits that he was the person who killed Joey Ryan. And then, I mean, you're led to believe it's Joey Ryan, right? That Joey killed himself? Yeah! That Joey faked his own death? That's how I took it. And then, after you think the episode's over, then the bucks start talking about
00:45:39
Speaker
the fact that they never found Joey Ryan's body, and it was just presumed that he was dead, that he could still be out there. Sorry, just thinking about Hangman's eulogy where he's like, everybody knows he was a penis pretender, but then when we were at bar wrestling, he really did it that night. He really did it. He did it for real for the first time ever. And I mean, I know he made me drink his piss, but...
00:46:11
Speaker
This is the worst funeral I have ever They built it they milked it so much I knew it was coming and it was still funny Could Chris Daniels be wearing a more annoying pair of sunglasses?
00:46:27
Speaker
I think he gets it. Oh, he knows it. He knows it. But do you think the second he saw those, he's like, oh, these are the ones. These are exactly what you would see some a-hole wearing at some 41 concert back in 2000.
00:46:44
Speaker
Or, shit, what was, fuck, what were their names that hung out with Rikishi? Grandmaster Sexay and... Scotty Too Hottie? Scotty Too Hottie. They were like basically Scotty Too Hottie glasses, but not as colorful. It was Grandmaster Sexay that wore those beautiful goggle glasses before he did a diving move off the top rope. I can't remember what it was. I think it was a leg drop. But, yeah, those are totally his style glasses. I see you.
00:47:14
Speaker
The one thing that being the elite has done a good job of is kind of make me want an SCU shirt. Right? Like these weren't necessarily characters that before being the elite that I, it wasn't like I cared, but now I care quite a bit more than I thought I did.
00:47:31
Speaker
Good for Kazarian and Scorpio Sky and Christopher Daniels. Shit, did you see that? So also at the beginning of this episode, we know that they're alluding to that the Young Bucks are gonna team up with Chris Jericho on the Chris Jericho cruise.
00:47:47
Speaker
Yeah, in fact that gets overlooked in a lot of the stuff in the new episode is that the Bucks are now in the Alpha Club. They are officially members of the Alpha Club and I saw that SCU suggested that they take on Bucks and Jericho. Now are they gonna go by the Bucks of Jericho or Y2 Jackson? Which do you think sounds better?
00:48:11
Speaker
bucks of Jericho because I think that's the shirt that sells the yeah that why two I think most people if it said why two Jackson people they have a lats name I thought they were Nick and Matt Buck exactly but uh he presented them with
00:48:28
Speaker
He presented them with alpha club shirts and pens, and they plugged their respective merch stores and bragged about all their success on Hot Topics, so that was how the episode opened.
Nostalgia and Cultural Impact
00:48:47
Speaker
there were so many great lines in this week's episode like I mean I don't know what the other classic episodes of being the elite there but this this has to be up there oh my god what do we want to next man like what else you got for me this week I actually wanted to talk about this so
00:49:08
Speaker
Battleground 2013, it opened with a match between RVD and Alberto Del Rio. And there was just a moment where, before I started searching for the Rhodes match, I was like, well, let's just, let's get a couple minutes into this. And RVD comes out to that song, One of a Kind. Oh yeah, 7 Dust, right? No, it was by Breaking Point. I thought it was 7 Dust, maybe I'm wrong.
00:49:32
Speaker
Now it's definitely Breaking Point, and I'll tell you why I know this. Breaking Point was the first rock band I ever saw live.
00:49:41
Speaker
Didn't you see them at the Oakley Lindsay Center in Quincy, Illinois? I did. I saw them open for 7 Dust and soil. That's what it is. Never mind. I just related that with 7 Dust. That's where I got that from. That was a weird fucking concert. That was the weirdest like first concert. It would have been freshman year high school. My mom dropped me and a couple friends off.
00:50:03
Speaker
to go to this thing. And this was easily the most violent concert I've ever been to. And I've been to, at this point, hundreds of concerts. This was, this thing was fucking weird.
00:50:15
Speaker
Well, I was going to say, wasn't there like a thing where you were worried at one point about someone bringing like an ice pick into the mosh pit? Wasn't like this something that had been brought up online as a possibility. I think that happened at like a metal concert recently, but not not this one. But, you know, I had heard it recently enough that I was like, this could happen. But the worst, the weirdest thing was this concert was sponsored by Cutty Whiskey.
00:50:42
Speaker
And what Cudi, so nothing cool ever happened in Quincy up until this point. There's no concerts there ever. But then... Well, Destiny's Child did play in the same building before this. Let's be clear about that. Let's be very clear about that. But what had happened the day before this was a hot tub convention. So they get on the microphone and say, whoever drinks the most Cudi whiskey tonight gets to party with the band.
00:51:11
Speaker
So everybody in the crowd's like, fuck yeah, it's time to drink a whole bunch of Cudi whiskey. But they're not, they're not keeping track of who drank the most Cudi whiskey. It's not like you're, you're getting a ticket and like hang on to all these tickets and we'll see who has the most. That was just a way to get all these assholes to drink straight whiskey all night long.
00:51:31
Speaker
and at one point a mosh pit broke out a man with no shirt and two nipple rings went into the mosh pit a man with one nipple ring and one nipple returned out of that mosh pit
00:51:46
Speaker
walked out oh no he was drug out by security who he had just a circle of blood where a nipple used to be and he was screaming let me back in I want to be in there he didn't care that he'd lost a nipple he did not care that he had lost a nipple but uh yeah the opening band sang one of a kind by uh
00:52:07
Speaker
which is RVD's theme song and that just took me back to this world where while they were playing one of a kind a man climbed scaffolding and jumped directly onto my, you know, 14 year old body. I can't believe that this is how we got to this point where we're reviewing the band that did RVD's theme song and how you've seen them before.
00:52:28
Speaker
Hey, it seemed important. I was a young boy. I think that might have been the first time I saw breasts in person. Wow. The band Soil was doing an autograph signing. And as I walked up, this man said, hey, watch this. Watch what my wife's going to do. No, no. Don't stand there. Get over here so you get a better view.
00:52:47
Speaker
And a man pulled me over to get a look at his wife's chest. And as a 14-year-old boy, pretty excited about that. I feel like my parents would be like, this is what he was doing all those times? Yes. I was hanging out. I feel like you're still excited about it to this day.
00:53:03
Speaker
It's a little bit like that scene in The Girl Next Door where professional wrestler Horseshoe shows off his girlfriend slash porn model to the boys and they're excited to partake in their first breast experience.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah, this was you, but at a 7 desk concert. Pretty, pretty cool. Oh, but also as the match started going, there was a point when Alberto Del Rio was in the corner, and RVD basically did a coast to coast, but with a folding chair, and he kicked that folding chair, and it was just like a fucking shotgun blast went off, and Del Rio almost got hit with that.
00:53:42
Speaker
But as Delria or RVD was just taking these crazy bumps all over the ring and just getting the shit beat out of him, I kind of realized like this dude is a human crash test dummy. Absolutely. I feel like I've seen that spot so many times and it's brutal every time. It's just he's very likable. He's a little terrifying and he can take a beating that looks like a car wreck. So A plus for RV. Do you remember the crash test dummies?
00:54:08
Speaker
Yes. I was a huge, incredible Crash Test Dummies fan. They were terrifying. Why didn't you like them? I did not like them. They were terrifying. Those are different things? I guess. I'm a fan of Michael Myers, but I would acknowledge that he's terrifying. Was it the eyes? It was the eyes and the mouth. It didn't blink. Yeah. They stare at you. They stare into your soul. And they only exist to be beaten.
00:54:39
Speaker
It was a weird gimmick for like an early to mid 90s toy line too because like inherently the thing you're supposed to do with these toys is simulate crashes with them which seems to send the wrong message to children.
Recent Wrestling Events and Speculations
00:54:53
Speaker
You don't want to actually be in an automobile accident and now you're making it happen. I don't know I had a Sega game of those guys and it seemed fun to get in a car wreck. Don't get in a car wreck man I love you too much.
00:55:05
Speaker
So just to get back to wrestling here for a second. We're talking about taking bumps, man. Over the weekend was also Ring of Honor's best in the world, which was the pay-per-view was fine. It wasn't a bad pay-per-view by any means. There were just not as many matches that really, really stood out. One of them, though, that just completely stood out was Punishment Martinez versus Hangman Page for the TV title.
00:55:33
Speaker
So has punishment Martinez come a long way from where we saw him last summer? Well, oh, a hundred percent. Because if you told me last year that a year from then I was going to be super excited about a punishment Martinez hangman page match. Those are two guys I couldn't have given less of a fuck about a year ago.
00:55:52
Speaker
right and now i can't wait to see them go especially at this point with hangman i don't really want to see him going up against jobbers i want to see him going up against anyone that i think would be better than him because he surprises me every single time
00:56:10
Speaker
But the thing that really stood out about this match is the entire night, it was just kind of, you know, pretty normal. Everything seemed pretty normal up until this point. Not bad, but nothing spectacular. And then you get to this, which was just a brawl. You know, they started fighting before the bell went and it was just a lot of violence.
00:56:31
Speaker
and hangman's been doing some spots that i've never seen anyone do like if you remember it this last year's super card of honor he gave a bushy a german suplex off of the barricade
00:56:44
Speaker
You've been telling me about how much Hangman Page has won you over. And it's funny because I remember when we started this podcast, one of the first stories we told on here was about how you didn't want him to sign your program from Wrestle Kingdom because he wasn't there.
00:57:02
Speaker
and you weren't necessarily nuts about him and that has now changed and you seem like you're kind of a big mark for Adam Page. I love this man over the span of a year. I'm just I'm waving an Adam Page flag right now. He did another spot on this one where he climbed onto the barricade with punishment and gave him a superplex off of the barricade.
00:57:26
Speaker
And you have sat against that barricade. That's not very wide to be able to balance on. And there's a lot of things that if they go wrong, you're going to get hurt. Like you're going to get cut up. And he took a fucking beating. There was two spots really quick in a row where punishment gave Hangman a power bomb onto the apron.
00:57:46
Speaker
and then immediately turned around and gave him a choke slam onto the barricade. Ugh. Back first, like it almost made me sick while watching his shoulders collide with the barricade. And then, you know, it ends in thumb tacks and it ended in a way that punishment won, but it was a really shitty camera angle and Hangman clearly his shoulder was not down. So kind of a weird end to a really, really fun show.
00:58:17
Speaker
I think it would be like an injustice if we didn't bring up the fact that there is a new Ring of Honor world champion right now and it did not happen at the pay-per-view. Which I think caught a lot of people off guard. I think they're doing a really good job of swerving us with what's going on because you know the main thing we want to tune in for is the it's a triple threat between Dalton Castle, Marty Scurll Cody Rhodes,
00:58:44
Speaker
And you would assume that they had supposedly the rumor on the street is that Dalton Castle has a lot of injuries that have been building up and then they needed to get the belt off of them. That's what we're hearing. He broke his hand, I want to say, at supercard. And then I believe he's kind of gathered other injuries at this point. And it really felt like, OK, this is going to be the time that Cody gets the belt and we're going to start working our way towards all in.
00:59:11
Speaker
nope swerve no and it doesn't even happen at the pay-per-view no next night so we end up dalton castle wins and i'm starting to wonder if they you know out of respect to dalton give him one more big pay-per-view win
00:59:26
Speaker
Well, I mean, it was an interesting choice with lethal. He's been there before. He's going to franchise, man. And it's not like the obvious is not a member of the Bullet Club. It was I think it was a surprise to a lot of people that made it. The news made its way to me pretty quickly. And congrats to Jay Lethal. He's been around the block for a while. He's a he's a veteran. And what do you want me to say? He deserves it, right? Yeah, I mean, he definitely does. He
00:59:53
Speaker
He's one of the best in the world. I don't think you'll ever be disappointed watching a Jay Lethal match the night before on the pay per view. He beat Kushida. And so but this was just you know kind of a house show and it was televised so you could watch it was an honor club exclusive. So it made me kind of wonder.
01:00:12
Speaker
Is that another way to try and sell the Honor Club? Like, you should be tuning into these Honor Club shows because this could happen. It was a four-way between Dalton Castle, Jay Lethal, Cody, and Matt Taven.
01:00:29
Speaker
and it was honestly I thought it was it might have even been better than the three-way the night before and there was a lot of it where you just since it was a house show you're not expecting anyone besides Dalton Castle to win especially since he just wanted the pay-per-view the night before right no they got us and good for lethal um where do you see that going though where do you see that does Cody get a belt at some point or does he get a belt on Saturday from Kenny Omega does he end up the IWGP champ
01:00:58
Speaker
I don't know, you and I had briefly talked about this off the record, not on the podcast, but it seems like a nice swerve that they could do. I don't know what's gonna happen. Your guess is as good as mine, man. I just, I don't know. I really don't see them giving it to Cody right now, just because Kenny is one of the biggest wrestlers in the world.
State of Wrestling and Listener Interaction
01:01:24
Speaker
But do they do that to swerve us so that we can watch Cody chase for it again?
01:01:28
Speaker
There's a couple ways to look at it. There's a couple ways to look at it, man. I think the one way of looking at it is I don't think they'll end up having as lengthy of a reign as Okada had. That's not gonna happen with Kenny. It doesn't matter how popular it is. I'm not saying that the reign's only gonna last a month, but I'm just saying that I don't see it lasting nearly as long, so your guess is as good as anyone's is when it's gonna come to an end, I guess.
01:01:56
Speaker
The other part of it is, is everyone who is helping out and allowing All In to happen, they're going to do things to help build hype and to promote it. So you don't know. It may be in the works that a title changes hands to give something to work around for All In.
01:02:16
Speaker
I mean, there's a lot of things that could happen here. It's exciting. It's giving you reasons to tune into all this different stuff, whether it's ROH or New Japan. It's an exciting time, man. We say it all the time, but it is an exciting time away from WWE, and wrestling overall. A lot of good stuff. Something for everybody.
01:02:38
Speaker
I do want to we're getting we're getting deep into this podcast. But one thing I do want to thank from our listeners, like we said earlier, we do a lot of interactive stuff on our social media with our fans. And last week I put together a thing on our Twitter where we had people vote on their top four favorite promo guys and girls. And we came up with a top 10 list of predetermined listeners, favorite, you know, promo workers in the business.
01:03:08
Speaker
And I just want to say thank you to everyone who's involved in that thing for your submissions. We try putting together fun little games, you know, and whatever you want to call them, lists and retweets. Honestly, just excuses for all of us to sit around and talk about wrestling even more throughout the week. Yeah, it's fun. And so every week, I'm usually coming up with something fun that people can share and participate in. And we came up with a top 10 promo workers in pro wrestling. And Chris Jericho ended up coming up number one. I think he had nine votes.
01:03:38
Speaker
Were you surprised by that? Or did that make sense to you? I think a lot of it can be attributed to just this monster run he's had over the last couple of years.
01:03:49
Speaker
I think a couple years, and I made this point after the list came out, which was the list, but he's been around for so long too. As long as I've known Jericho, I've never known him as being a guy who gives a bad promo. And he's been cutting some very memorable ones since his days in WCW.
01:04:08
Speaker
since his arrival in WWE and now expanding and doing the New Japan scene. Everything is memorable, everything's good, everything, and he's been able to evolve too. It's not always the same Jericho. So I think a lot of people, if you ask them, they may tell you that The Rock's the greatest promo guy of all time at his peak. There may be some truth to that, but I also think that Jericho earned a spot on our list at number one because of just how long he's been doing this and how good he is at it.
01:04:38
Speaker
That was fun. That was fun assembling that idea and getting you know feedback and participation from our listeners. We love you guys. I get excited every time I see people retweeting our stuff and sending pictures and playing along with our games. Was there anyone else that surprised you that ended up on the list?
01:05:01
Speaker
I think I was more surprised at people who didn't wind up on the list. There were some notable names that you think of. Go ahead and just read the top 10 that were voted by the listeners. So the predetermined, we'll go from number one to number 10. Jericho was number one. The Rock was number two. Stone Cold Steve Austin was number three. Ric Flair was number four. Roddy Piper, number five. Dusty Rhodes, number six.
01:05:27
Speaker
Randy Savage at number seven, Paul Heyman, the only manager on the list at number eight, CM Punk and Kevin Owens were the top. That was the list of the top 10. And I was surprised. I mean, I guess not surprised, but I just think it's it's crazy. Like you you think of iconic promos and you think of iconic catchphrases. Hulk Hogan did not receive a single vote from anybody involved.
01:05:54
Speaker
Now given we don't have thousands upon thousands of people participating in this I'm sure if we did he would have garnered some votes but nobody in our you know immediately or in our immediate circle gave Hulk Hogan a vote despite you know the 24-inch pythons and eat your vitamins and say your prayers and let me tell you something brother iconic promo catchphrases and Hogan didn't get a vote. Heyman was the only manager
01:06:21
Speaker
on the list. I know a lot of people think of Bobby the Brain Heenan. That was surprising to me. I think he got one vote. He did get a vote. But yeah, I mean, there weren't a ton on that list. I mean, it felt like a pretty solid list. Like I felt like it encompassed different eras, different personalities. It was happy to get Dusty Rhodes on there. I think he would probably be my all time favorite of the promos.
01:06:45
Speaker
That was that made me happy. I didn't I didn't get a vote in for Dusty, but it makes me happy to see that he got enough love that he made the list. So, man, I love doing the social media stuff because it's it's something that we have fun with, just like we like watching match matches that you guys recommend.
Episode Wrap-Up
01:07:04
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Keep them coming and we'll try to pump out ideas on the social media that play some more games. Let's let's keep doing this. It's fun.
01:07:12
Speaker
Garrett, do you want to take us out of here, man? We've got a pretty good episode put together right now. Yeah, I think that about covers it. I hope you had a good Fourth of July weekend. If you're in San Francisco and you happen to be at the Cow Palace or the Hoodslam show and you see me around in my predetermined to pro wrestling hangout hat, come say hi. Love to talk to you. But yeah, check us out on social media, at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter, at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram, at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook.
01:07:41
Speaker
Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for hanging out with us. Please hang out with us again. We're here every Thursday. Episode is released at midnight. And we'll hey, we'll see you next week. How about that? How about that? Same spot on the couch. We're saving it for you right here.