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Episode 20: Han Solo Is the Stone Cold Steve Austin Of Outer Space
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Come join this weeks hangout as Garrett & Derrick talk about Enzo's "music", what it would take for Derrick to start watching 205 live, how badass PCO is in his 50's, how great NXT has been and so much more!
Also, listen to find out how to enter our contest to win a pair of tickets to All In!
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Transcript
Introduction and Chrisley Knows Best
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, happy Thursday. It's time for a new episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. My name's Garrett Callender and with me, as always, a man who I can tell you for certain right now is not watching the new episode of Chrisley Knows Best because it is airing as we record, Derek Halpin. I have never watched a single episode of Chrisley Knows Best. And you know I still stand by that you're fucking up. Do you really think so? You really feel like I'm missing out on much?
00:00:29
Speaker
I'm gonna go ahead and tell you the fact that you don't get this voice in your life every day is is just a mistake you're walking around like that voice you don't spit out my water that's how much I enjoyed that voice like my favorite thing about Todd Chrisley is like he'll say something like oh my god that is the most gorgeous dress I've ever seen it makes me want to go home and just fuck my wife like
00:00:56
Speaker
He always, I feel like he's always emphasizing to me like how much he's going to have sex with his wife after he says a very effeminate thing. I really like that about him. It makes me think that me and this guy probably have the same taste in movies.
Chrisley and Wrestling Fans
00:01:09
Speaker
People are probably wondering why the fuck we're starting off a pro wrestling podcast with Chris Lee Knows Best reference. Because that's what follows SmackDown and I have to imagine that everybody listening is at least familiar with Chris Lee Knows Best because of wrestling.
00:01:24
Speaker
I've only seen clips, man. Sell them on today's show. Oh my god. Hit our goddamn music.
00:02:06
Speaker
So what's up, man? How you doing? Haven't talked to you in a little while. Man, how have things been? I guess I'm like still stuck in that Todd Chrisley voice. Can we put him on the list that we want him to? He should be at Starrcast. I was going to say, why isn't Chrisley at Starrcast?
00:02:22
Speaker
I promise you there are a lot of people listening that like you know they don't watch it but they are familiar and if Todd and Chrisley were there they would lose their shit because he's that guy in all those commercials that they would see during wrestling. I want to hear feedback from our listeners about how much they enjoy your Chrisley impersonation because I'll be honest with you we can keep that as far as I'm concerned. If I get to do that Todd and Chrisley impression as much as I want
00:02:48
Speaker
Derek, are you really going to walk around in them coochie cutters? I was waiting. I was waiting to hear coochie cutters again. I had to say it. I had to say it. I mean, and we should probably start talking about wrestling at some point because, you know, this is a pro wrestling podcast. This is a pro wrestling hangout.
00:03:04
Speaker
Yeah, we scared everyone away. They're like, when SmackDown's off the air, I changed the channel from USA immediately. So why the fuck are you guys making me relive this shit? This is the part where if I said rate, review, subscribe, they're gonna be like, one star talked about Chris Lee too long. So what do you want to talk about today, man? Oh, we actually I got a message to relay to you from a professional wrestler.
Enzo Amore's Controversies
00:03:31
Speaker
I don't believe you. Okay, well let me go ahead and read this to you. This comes from Enzo Amore. Listen up, you sloppy jalopy son of a bitch, sitting on your fucking couch with your fucking phone in your hand, doing your armchair detective work, think you know what the fuck is going on. When was the last time you kept a two month social media silence? You think I was gonna say shit?
00:03:59
Speaker
This is directed to me specifically from Enzo Amore. I mean, he references the couch and that's on our logo. I have to imagine that we are that. What did we do to him? I don't know. Did we not give him enough props? I don't think he's earned any.
00:04:18
Speaker
God, I think we referenced the Enzo shit very early on in the life cycle of this podcast, so did we rub him the wrong way? Are we the reason he had to go into hiding, the real reason? I'ma let y'all talk shit, talk shit. If I had a fuck to give, I would give it. If you feel froggy, ain't gotta leap. All you gotta do is rib it. Shut up. Shut up. This is a song about how- You call that a rap?
00:04:46
Speaker
Oh my god. I mean, if you were telling me this is hip-hop, then you have never heard Flo Rida. I thought you were gonna say Nas.
00:04:58
Speaker
No, but yeah, Enzo Amore released a rap song, and most of the video is him rapping at an overweight man in a basement that I believe actually represents all of us collectively. Specifically us. Well, specifically us because of the couch line.
00:05:17
Speaker
but we're holding him to that but he said you know he says we're all in our basements and uh i feel like we've been pretty kind to Enzo uh you know considering he he got circumstances yeah and i yeah he seems like a real piece of shit i'm gonna go ahead and say that
00:05:35
Speaker
I don't know enough about Enzo, and I've only seen bits and pieces of this case hearing different things from both sides. I've kind of tried to stay away from it. And then I saw that he was doing something in fucking Times Square. Fuck, I don't know, man. I feel like he owes an apology to Big Cass for putting him in a situation and kind of killing off their whatever they were gonna do. I mean, I guess they broke up the team anyway, but fuck, man. Like, who gives a shit about Enzo Amore?
00:06:03
Speaker
who misses inzo can you think of like right now if he was just like because he's singing about how he's the biggest free agent i mean i is impact gonna want him probably not i mean
Indie Wrestling Scene
00:06:19
Speaker
I don't know, I've seen people with a lot less get gigs on the indies for an extended time period. But when you say the indies, you mean like, he, like I can't imagine, like nothing like PWG or like nothing big is gonna want him. He's gonna be like small towns, like where he's the main event of a small town. But if you had told me that Hornswoggle was gonna get as many gigs as he did on the indie scene, I wouldn't have believed you. Yeah, but he doesn't seem like a dick. No, he's a dick.
00:06:47
Speaker
He's not like, you know, he hasn't been accused of what Enzo has been accused of doing, but Hornswoggle's a dick. Watch some shoot interviews. Yeah, he's a little bit of an asshole. He even says himself that he's an asshole. The things that you find. Next thing you know, Hornswoggle's rapping about you. He's like, Derek and your white socks and jersey piece of shit on the couch. Like Jesus.
00:07:24
Speaker
I don't know if I ever told you this, a buddy of mine works a graveyard shift at a gas station in LA, and at a certain point they lock the doors and just deal through a little window.
00:07:35
Speaker
And Enzo Amore came to his window and wanted inside. And he knew who he was, so he's like, whatever, I'll let Enzo Amore in. And he said just those couple minutes with Enzo Amore, he's like, I've never hated anyone in my whole life more.
00:07:53
Speaker
What did he do? Did he buy like a zero bar or something? Let me tell you man, a Clark bar is the only candy anyone should eat. You should probably go get yourself a zag nut, you know what I mean?
00:08:09
Speaker
I don't know, you ever watch him call it? Like it's just like, no, his crime isn't that he likes the worst candies. And I bet there's like a real Zagnut fan that is like given two middle fingers to their headphones. One star. One star. Zagnut for life.
00:08:25
Speaker
uh zag nut club but now he uh inzo was drunk and he said that while he was at the atm getting money inzo was mostly just talking about his money and telling him uh to be careful with his because uh horrors want your money well all right you know i'll be honest with you
00:08:50
Speaker
We have avoided talking about the Enzo shit for a long time. And now that he's back and kind of trying to market himself or is this something we're supposed to comment on or is this something you don't want to touch on too much? I don't know. I think if somebody makes like a it's okay. It made me think of like, I don't know if I talked about this. I went to see Jeff Hardy make music.
00:09:12
Speaker
And it's so weird to watch a childhood hero be so good at one thing and not super great at another thing.
Critique of 205 Live and WWE Cruiserweights
00:09:24
Speaker
Enzo is way, way worse. He was already not great at a thing and then was also really not good at another thing.
00:09:34
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. Should I not be saying that? This is typically a pretty positive podcast, but I feel like he attacked us on the couch and we didn't do anything to him. I don't think we're being... To me, it's not like we're ripping a show. We're talking about the news, man. Enzo's been in the news the last few days. I saw him walking around Times Square with a couple dozen people chanting. Couple dozen. Chanting Enzo.
00:10:02
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. It's weird to make a song called Phoenix about the woman in Phoenix that accused you of raping her. Or is he referring to himself as a Phoenix? Is he rising from the ashes? Oh, no, I think I feel like I feel like in the song is like Phoenix is where that bitch is from. But also, I'm a I'm a fucking firebird flying into the sky. I'll ask it again. Was anybody missing Enzo?
00:10:32
Speaker
No. I mean, by all accounts, 205 Live got a hell of a lot better when he was out of there. Speaking of, have you been keeping up with 205 Live at all? Not at all, man. Well, there was that little bit like right before WrestleMania where it just took off and was fucking awesome.
00:10:48
Speaker
And I saw, when I went to that, the SmackDown, the go home to Raw or to Mania, there was just one of the best matches of the night was Buddy Murphy. And I saw that he's fighting for the Cruiserweight Championship right now against Cedric Alexander.
00:11:06
Speaker
That seems like that'd be a pretty hot match. And you don't feel like anybody cares? I don't know. I feel like there was that little bit where everybody was really high on 205 Live and was like, Triple H is in charge. This is awesome now. And for a few weeks, we all talked about it and then just no one talked about it again. That's kind of what I figured, though. I felt like that's kind of how it would play out. But what do they need to do to get you there as a weekly viewer?
00:11:34
Speaker
It needs to be before SmackDown. But would you tune in early to watch it? I'm more likely to tune in early than I am to stay up late for it. Fair enough. I mean, do you think that like adding like would add in Ricochet, even if it were still where it is, if you add like a big name such as Ricochet or Daniel Bryan or somebody like that, is that getting you to tune in or is that?
00:11:59
Speaker
I think if we're just talking 205 Live, my primary issue with it is I just disagree with its existence period. I think if they're gonna have cruiserweights, they should just be incorporated as part of the show. Instead of being quarantined to this separate thing, I always thought it was interesting to see guys that were undersized interact with other parts of the roster. And I get the idea behind it, but I don't sign off on it.
00:12:27
Speaker
And I don't know, it's been hard. They tried to present it its own thing for a while that where they had the purple ropes and they, you know, they did the what they have like the different logos on the mat and it's purple themed. And I just had a hard time getting behind 205 life. And it was such the cruiserweights were such a huge part of the old WCW. And I just don't know if WWE has ever quite figured out how to do it in a way that I care.
00:12:55
Speaker
Like, back when they had the Cruiserweight Championship back during the ruthless aggression era, the only guy I really gave a shit about holding the Cruiserweight title was Rey Mysterio. And I don't know, man, I'm not really nuts on the 205 Live scene. And part of it, maybe I would give it a better chance, like I said, if they had it on before SmackDown as a pre-show.
00:13:20
Speaker
but I don't know man, like by 9 p.m., especially after the main event on SmackDown, I'm not really in the mood of like, all right, start up another hour-long show. Well, what's holding you back from like watching it tomorrow? NXT. You're like, there's already a thing tomorrow. Wednesday's got its thing. It's like, well, it's only an hour? That's only an hour? You're like, there's so much fucking wrestling. There's a lot of fucking content out there.
00:13:48
Speaker
And that's assuming that you watch all of the show. And then fucking heaven forbid it's a pay-per-view week too.
00:13:54
Speaker
Yeah. And then like right now, if you're watching anything other than WWE, probably the biggest thing happening is this best of the super juniors over in Japan.
Best of the Super Juniors and Star Wars Tangent
00:14:04
Speaker
Yeah. Um, and prepping for today's episode, you had alerted me that that would be your assignment after you got home from work today was to watch that stuff. So what, what, what did you come across? I mean, there's, there's so much like it's a, so what the best of the super juniors is it's been around for, I mean, what about 25 years now?
00:14:24
Speaker
And it's basically the junior heavyweights in New Japan having a tournament. And it's kind of a big deal to win it. Let me pull up a list of some of the people that have won the best of the Super Juniors. Yeah, just looking at the past few years, there's some really recognizable names like Kushida won it in 2017 and 2015, Will Ospreay won it in 2016, Ricochet in 2014,
00:14:50
Speaker
Uh, Prince Devitt, AKA Finn Balor's won it twice, 2010, 2013, Koda Obushi, a lot of big names. So the guys that usually win it are the up and coming guys, the next generation of stars. For sure. It's a springboard tournament.
00:15:05
Speaker
For sure, and I am not 100% caught up because there's just, there are a lot of matches on this thing. So I started, the first match I watched was actually one of the first matches that they had, which was ACH versus Flip Gordon. ACH is the current AAW champion, my friend. And he walked into that ring in Japan with the title. He did, I saw it. And the announcers actually talked about it as well.
00:15:31
Speaker
Good for AAW. I know, isn't that? That's kind of cool, right? Like, that definitely- Or is everyone still mad at AAW so we shouldn't be saying that? Like, what's the word on that ever since the Michael Elgin situation? Wait, are people really mad at them still?
00:15:46
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, I know that they like the week after that incident took place, all I saw were people online being like, fuck this place and fuck. AAW came up and we went to that GCW show and there was that girl sitting next to us during the during the deathmatch shit saying that AAW right now isn't what it used to be. It's it's what did she say it was? It was watered down. Basically, she came to the violent show for violence.
00:16:15
Speaker
but then got more violence than she expected. Cause I think watered down for her meant there weren't unprotected chair shots to the head any longer. Some people were there for violence, but not really. Some people just... We were there for it. I mean, we were there for the idea of violence, but like it got too real.
00:16:38
Speaker
Holy shit, speaking of, they've got the Tournament of Survival coming up in New Jersey, which is one of their big shows of the year where I guess it's really fucked up. Joey Janela versus PCO. Fuck, what? Yeah, remember PCO that we talked about, one of the Quebecers?
00:16:56
Speaker
from back in the day. Well, this guy is just like, I don't know, this guy has had the weirdest indie wrestling resurgence where this guy is just going around the country taking fucking beatings. How old is this guy again? He's 50. Is he just at the point where he's like, fuck it, I might die tomorrow, so give everything? The thing is, he looks like he's in great shape.
00:17:21
Speaker
that's so bizarre to me like there's a 50 year old guy who I'm not gonna say he wasn't big but he wasn't like you know what I mean he wasn't like main main event it's like he's having like a career resurgence doing like appearances he's fucking having like heavy-ass matches where he's getting his chest lit up and
00:17:43
Speaker
I feel like he's in a category of his own right now where he's like, I'm 50-year-old strong style brother, 50-year-old Canadian strong style. This isn't sad Mickey Rourke wrestling story. No, this is PCO being like, I'm going to wrestle at fucking 1 AM in New Orleans and I'm going to let a German man chop my chest until there's blood coming out of it just from getting slapped too much.
00:18:05
Speaker
But they just he just released a video on Twitter of him training for the deathmatch and at one point he bites a tennis ball in half. And I've never tried that seems difficult. I bet you you can't do it. But now like he's also having these matches with like Matt Riddle and I'll be honest I kind of want to see him versus Joey Janela in a deathmatch.
00:18:32
Speaker
And when is this? This is coming up soon. This is GCW's next show.
00:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, you're not going out to New Jersey. I'm not flying to New Jersey, but I'm saying I might buy a DVD. This would have taken a dark turn if just a couple of weeks after our episode about how much the GCW show tormented us, if just a couple of weeks later you're like, yeah, I'm buying a plane ticket. I'm going to go see one of the Quebecers fight Joey Janela, who was just wearing a thumbtack sandal a couple of weeks ago.
00:19:05
Speaker
You know what? Fuck it. I'm gonna look at plane tickets. No, you're not. I'm gonna look at... I'm going out to New Jersey, my friend, and I'm gonna watch... I'm gonna cheer on PCO. You know what? You might as well buy a one-way ticket, because you sure as shit ain't coming back. That's because I'm gonna be PCO's manager from now on, and just be like, what the fuck are you doing? Why did you let him do that? You don't have to take this. Is becoming PCO's manager a step up for you from this podcast?
00:19:33
Speaker
I don't know. I think me and PCO could do good work together. What if there's a point? I've been saying the same thing about me and Lesnar for months now and nobody seems to understand it. I think Lesnar and I could do some good business. People would pay good money to see Lesnar sling an ordinary couch sitting neckbeard mark fuck around the fucking concrete slab.
00:20:01
Speaker
Oh, speaking of, because I mentioned Walter, we talked about Walter slapping the shit out of PCO. Walter had two matches over the weekend where I just saw people with fucked up chests. It looks like at, let's see, he fought Joey Janela this weekend and he also fought Sammy Guevara at PWG's last show.
00:20:22
Speaker
in Reseda and both of those guys chests like it's just his gimmick sounds terrible to me like I love watching Walter do it but if I was the wrestler going against him I just like this sucks this is how did I end up with this
00:20:37
Speaker
Can you explain to me the fact that Joey Janela goes everywhere? Is that just, is that a false perception on my part or is Joey Janela fucking everywhere right now? That's what I, yeah, it's fucking crazy. Like he is, like he said, he is doing every type of wrestling and he does all the different types of wrestling well. But I mean, is that how you just, do you think like a major, like, do you think that a major company would sign somebody like that? They signed Dean Ambrose.
00:21:06
Speaker
I guess that's true. But there's also like, I don't know, is there something different between Joey Janela and Dean Ambrose? Maybe. Well, you know, Joey Janela, obviously a bad, bad boy. He has those killer sunglasses, beautiful long hair. Which was caked in blood before our very eyes. It's like, I don't know how I would describe like, he is like... He's like Joe Dirt.
00:21:33
Speaker
You're going to, he's not going to like that. He's just a bad, bad boy. He's too busy going everywhere to listen to this podcast. Now MJF has time to listen to our podcast. The CZW Champion has time to listen to this. Throw a shot. I hope he's still listening. Oh man. If he's there all in weekend, get his attention.
00:21:58
Speaker
We'll get him over to that table and have a real good talking to with them. Charge him five bucks for our time. Be like, you know what? Let me tell you about some movies you've never seen because I'm older than you. Speaking of movies, did you watch the new episode of Being the Elite?
00:22:30
Speaker
And there's one moment where he says he's talking about the movie Braveheart, but he refers to it as that movie where that guy cuts that really good promo on that horse and convinces all those jobbers. Or he says it really pumps up all those jobbers.
00:22:38
Speaker
I haven't yet, it just came out today, didn't it?
00:22:50
Speaker
I was at work in tears. That movie where that guy cuts a really good promo on that horse. I love wrestling analogies and everyday life. In fact, one of my favorites, and I don't know if I've brought this up on the podcast before, when Star Wars The Force Awakens came out a few years ago, and you said to me that Han Solo put Kylo Ren over, I fucking knew that we needed to do a podcast together.
00:23:19
Speaker
Han Solo is the Stone Cold Steve Austin of Outer Space. Is that true? I feel like it's true. They both wear the vest. Are you going to tell me that Stone Cold isn't going to shoot first every time? Yeah, he would. He always did. They both have poor attitudes.
00:23:38
Speaker
I'm trying to imagine Han Solo standing up on top of the Millennium Falcon, cracking open like four Miller Highlives and guzzling all of them at the same time. But now he's just drunk flying a spaceship. He's like, I was drunk when I did the castle run. Giving a stone cold stunner to Greedo.
00:23:57
Speaker
You saw the new movie, right?
00:24:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, the movie's been out, you know, less than a week. So yeah, skip ahead two minutes. This is a tiny thread lightly. Very, very tiny spoiler. I enjoyed the movie a lot. That guy never felt like Han Solo, but that didn't affect how much fun I had watching it. The only thing in the movie that I was just like, that's a detail we didn't need was you get to find out how Han Solo got his name.
00:24:37
Speaker
And here's where the spoiler comes in. It's just some fucking Imperial nerd gives it to him at random. Why does that make that better for me? I would have been better off just thinking he had a cool name. Yeah, I don't know. It didn't really bug me too much. Nah, movie was great.
00:24:54
Speaker
I mean, I get, like, I was worried that they were gonna try to explain, like, how the Falcon was different. And they didn't. They didn't have to tell me shit. All they did was, like, some fucking Imperial desk jockey gave Han Solo his name. Fuck that. Alright, back to wrestling.
00:25:11
Speaker
We're nerds about other things. We talk about other things. Yeah, we like other stuff. Fuck you, Inzo. Hey, and you know what? I went to go see the movie on Golden Pond at 1130 a.m. on Sunday. You don't know what that is? Look it up. MJF doesn't know. Fuck you, Inzo. Fuck you, MJF.
00:25:30
Speaker
You know, how can we not have a segment where we just don't get out all of our negativity at once and just go down a list of all the people we say fuck you to? That's every other show. That's every other show.
00:25:46
Speaker
Oh shit. But going back to a best of the super juniors turn it back
Flip Gordon's Popularity and Potential Heel Turn
00:25:52
Speaker
to that. ACH kept making this. He kept saying baka. Maybe that means something in Japan. But it seemed like it was the sound he was just making while he was hitting which made me think of. So.
00:26:04
Speaker
Different wrestlers have different sounds they make when they throw a punch. And a man while we were at GCW, we forgot to mention this, he would throw a punch, but his punch sound was g-goosh, g-goosh, g-goosh. Like you're on the playground pretending you're Spider-Man.
00:26:24
Speaker
Now, this is actually a bonus feature to the GCW episode. We didn't talk about this on that podcast, but one of the things that was able to get us through that show was us comedically using that noise every chance we got the rest of that show. Guy gets a light tube across the face, goosh. Guy takes a suplex onto some razor blades, goosh.
00:26:52
Speaker
Fuck, you insert that noise into anything scary. It's a little less scary. It really was our safe word. Like, it was the thing that, like, if things got too scary, it was like, Derek, goo-goosh me, goo-goosh me. Give me a goo-goosh scenario. I'm going to have to use that in everyday life. Like, I'm going to be walking down the street and I see somebody get hit by a car. It's mortifying and there's a goo-goosh.
00:27:21
Speaker
It's one of those universal sounds like you were saying. It's like when you would play with action figures as a kid and it would throw a punch, you would make that noise. Like, I don't know how to type that out. I know how to type out the goose. Yeah, goose is perfect. It's it's a word that works for everything. And I feel like we need a job at the performance center teaching to throw a punch. I mean, we don't we don't know how to actually throw a working punch, but we definitely can show you the goose part.
00:27:49
Speaker
The king of Gogush style. I wish I remembered what wrestler that was because it doesn't even matter anymore. It's you, my friend. I get Gogush. You're the king of Gogush style.
00:28:00
Speaker
We got way off track. Yeah, that was too much. So in the ACH Flip Gordon match, I started thinking like the audience fucking loved Flip Gordon. The crowd was going crazy. They obviously knew who he was from, you know, probably being the elite and just, you know, the young bucks like him hanging out with them all the time. What do you think they would need to do to turn him heel? Flip Gordon seems hard to turn heel.
00:28:30
Speaker
He's gotta be responsible for something really, really heinous. Like if they had like that, it was me all along moment for Flip Gordon, it would work. See, but then after that moment from then on, he needs to be smoking a cigarette.
00:28:47
Speaker
That's fine. I think if you put a cigarette in that guy's mouth, immediately you're just like, I don't like him. I don't like him. He seems toxic. I don't know. Sometimes cigarettes make people cool. That's not the thing people want to hear in 2018, but sometimes the guy looks cool with a cigarette. Oh, definitely. They don't want you to hear that anymore, but you know what? Sometimes the tobacco industry gets it right, and it's called wearing a leather jacket, leaning one leg against a wall, and puffing a cig.
00:29:15
Speaker
In fact, if Dean Ambrose wanted to take his shit to the next level, a cigarette would do it. I mean, how fucking cool was Big Show when he was walking to the ring with a cigarette there for a minute? Fuck! Do you remember the, uh, Nitro where the entire NWO comes, uh, to the arena with Dennis Rodman and they're all smoking cigars?
00:29:33
Speaker
Well, that's classy. Like, if you were like, they were all just smoking- That's classy! Like, they're all just smoking cigarettes like Horace Hogan. It's different, brother. Pat Patterson's just like, yeah, everybody, everybody gets a cig.
00:29:52
Speaker
That's how you know Pat Patterson booked a show. Does everybody smoke in a fucking cigarette? Would you smoke a Stogie with Vince McMahon? Of course. In a heartbeat? Yeah, I'd smoke whatever he asked me to. He's like, Garrett, here's some PCP. I'd be like, yes, sir. He's like, just so you know, you're going to have the strength to flip a car. Like, holy shit. Yeah, let's do it. Garrett.
00:30:17
Speaker
Have you ever done mushrooms? Neither have I. We're gonna do them together, goddamn it. Vince, I wish you would have given me an opportunity to ask because I have gone to college. Do the goddamn mushrooms! Okay, hey, can I at least get a peanut butter sandwich to put these things in? No, we're taking them dry? Alright.
00:30:37
Speaker
Uh, I wish, here's what people don't know. Vince McMahon is actually sponsoring this podcast. This is a deep state conspiracy and we are doing the, uh, you know, grassroots level infiltration. And that's why Enzo's mad at us.
00:30:55
Speaker
We're WWE chills. That's just the way it is. We're on the payroll. Yeah, we're on the payroll. He's giving us drugs. You know, as long as he gives me a steady fuel of cocaine, I'll keep watching SmackDown beginning to end every week, baby. I feel like I keep cutting off your Super Junior story. Go on.
00:31:17
Speaker
I don't even- Tell me more. What do I even need to talk about from there? I don't know. People- I watch Bouchey fight somebody. I watch some- There was some fucking wrestling. You guys watch it too. They didn't really talk much about wrestling in this episode. They like alluded to it. Like they joked around and wrestling was kind of the broad topic. They talked about Gagouche and Chris Chrisley.
00:31:42
Speaker
Hey, the announcers did mention that Flip Gordon and Sasha Banks were trained at the same place. And they didn't say it in a way like, fuck you, Sasha Banks. They did it sincerely. I feel like if WWE makes reference to another place like that other company.
00:31:58
Speaker
Yeah, we don't want to talk about them by name. Hey, I did have like, this is like, let me ask a serious question. I was watching a little bit of raw last night off and on. Um, but I want to get your take on this and maybe I'm flip flopping. Maybe I'm being a little bit of an asshole. Someone needs to let me know if that's the case. Um, is Braun Strowman getting to the level where it's a little bit bully like what they're doing with him?
Braun Strowman and Ronda Rousey Booking Concerns
00:32:26
Speaker
Like I put out the poll, I think it was like last week, asking if it was taking them too long to get to wherever they're going with him. But like, I don't know man, like as good a match as he had with Finn Balor, I don't like seeing him ragdoll babyfaces that are smaller than him. But at the same time, it was a competitive match.
00:32:50
Speaker
Right. And that match, I almost got that exact match I wanted out of him and Lesnar. He was about to go for the double coup to grow up. Yeah. For your dude fucked it up for me. Yeah, I got evil eyes from the girlfriend when Kevin came in and punched Finn Balor in the face. She acted like he was my dog and he got off the leash. I pulled a childhood photograph of you out of my wallet and set it on fire.
00:33:17
Speaker
I'm gonna need you to send me another copy of that picture for my wallet. Yeah, sorry. No, I don't know. I think if you have a big man just beating the shit out of baby faces for too long, it's not good for him, especially if he's supposed to be a baby face himself. Well, I'm just saying, is he becoming the Yankees? Is he becoming Goldberg?
00:33:43
Speaker
Like, I mean, there is a point where, I mean, he's so big and he's so, like, over with the fans and it's been this way for a long time. At least in my perception it's been this way for a long time.
00:33:54
Speaker
you can wait too long on a guy. Like, cause the reaction, if they do give, like again, I'm not trying to pull that shit where they're like, oh, wrestling fans are never happy. You can give them what they want. And they're just looking, there's a difference between saying, hey, here's this thing we want. And then eight months later them going, okay, we hear you. Like it's, it's, if he's winning money in the bank, I don't know how I feel about that.
00:34:23
Speaker
I don't know, WWE does a weird thing, but also, like you were saying, us as fans, this is where it seems like it's hard to please us. So, Braun Strowman, it does seem like they're taking too long, which could lead us into that same area that Roman Reigns ended up in. Because if you remember, there was a point where we would have preferred Roman Reigns to have a title at one point. For sure.
00:34:48
Speaker
And there was a point where I was rooting for that to happen. And then they waited to the point where I didn't like him anymore to do it. Yeah. And they could easily do the same thing with Bronn, but it seems like on the other side of this, you know, they got this new toy that is Ronda Rousey. She's obviously gonna anchor this show, like, because she's a fucking superstar. And now it looks like they're about to put the belt on her, but everybody thinks it's too soon.
00:35:14
Speaker
Do you? I get why they're doing it. I mean, if that is where they're headed, I could see somebody coming in and fucking it up for her and then, you know, sending her off. But I don't know if they did put the belt on her right now. Would it would it just be Goldberg matches? I don't know. I like Rhonda. I'm fine with the way Rhonda is progressing. I think she's progressing better than I expected. And obviously she
00:35:41
Speaker
overachieved at WrestleMania in a way that I didn't expect her to. I don't know man, you can do a lot of damage to it like a superstar's future I think just by either waiting too long or catching in too soon. And I guess in that regard Strowman and Rousey are on opposite ends of the spectrum.
00:36:03
Speaker
Um, we'll see what happens. How did you feel about her interaction with Nia Jax on Raw, which was awkward as fuck because apparently Nia Jax is back to being a fucking heel. It's okay. I will say this, and I did make note of this before they had those promos they ran, or maybe this was tonight during smackdown. They ran a commercial for money in the bank.
00:36:26
Speaker
Yeah, and during that commercial, it made me so excited for that match because I don't think anyone makes a better promo package than WWE. Well, for sure. The way that commercial when I was like, holy shit, Nia Jax is really, really good and she's a very dominant threat.
00:36:45
Speaker
Like if I were just an average viewer or like passing through channels and like, oh Ronda Rousey wrestles now? Oh my god, this lady looks very dominant that she's going to fight. That's that would be my thought.
00:36:57
Speaker
So you think the casual fan just passing by is gonna tune in big time for Money in the Bank? Are you excited about Money in the Bank? I think I'm starting to get more excited. I think the people that are in the Money in the Bank match itself are interesting. Big E got a pen tonight on SmackDown. So I would think Big E would go into it. I don't know, but then they really build up Xavier, or not Xavier, but Xavier Woods tonight.
00:37:24
Speaker
So, I don't know, I'm excited to see one a new day in it. Could be Big E's time to shine. I really think it's Miz's time. And you know, I'm gonna lose my fucking mind. Are we gonna get to do a commentary episode for the first episode of Miz and Mrs.? That's where this went? Where did you want it to go?
00:37:44
Speaker
I thought you were gonna say, do we wanna do our first review show together after Money in the Bank or whatever? And you brought up Miz and Mrs. I gotta bring up what's important. You looking for your Total Bellas, Total Divas platform now that that's off and running? Hey, I missed this week's episode of Total Divas or Total Bellas. We'll talk about it next week. I'll get Derek to watch it. Oh no.
00:38:10
Speaker
I can't keep that promise. I don't know. There are definitely parts of money in the bank I'm excited for. I think I am actually excited for both ladder matches. I'm excited for the dickhead fiesta. I think we haven't really talked about this ever since we did our review of Backlash and kind of how bad that was. It would have really helped them if they had just a few weeks in between to build something and wash the taste out of their mouth.
00:38:38
Speaker
this this build to money in the bank is taking forever and they resolved way they resolve they resolved way too much of it like in the first two weeks after backlash and now i just feel like we're sitting here waiting well that was what i thought tonight i thought we were going to get a little extra weight in when big gas came out and which i thought was funny that he just came out and was like i talked to the boss she said i can be in this and then later it's like well i thought she was a face i
00:39:06
Speaker
I actually made a note too that I think the real story of SmackDown is watching a 20-something girl run this company. It's like the movie Little Big League where the little kid has to run a baseball team, but he's not playing baseball. Are you implying that a 20-year-old female can't run a fake wrestling promotion? I'm saying somebody that's only been wrestling their whole life probably doesn't know much about bookkeeping.
00:39:33
Speaker
Well, they gave that job to Daniel Bryan. And what did he do with it? Well, he got Talking Smack canceled. Yeah, he fucked around too much because he didn't know what he was doing. And I just like this show where, well, no, I'm excited to see, like, Samoa Joe approach Paige with issues and get talked down to.
00:39:56
Speaker
I want to see Samoa Joe dread having to talk to Paige like standing outside the locker room pacing like like he just knows he's gonna get you match See that's the show I want that's the wrestling like if I'm not gonna get like the exact type of pro wrestling I want from it. That's the story
00:40:15
Speaker
I'm changing gears here. One of the things that you had texted me earlier today about in preparation for this wonderful podcast that we're putting on today which if you haven't already you guys should rate review and subscribe. I don't know if we got that out there enough but you brought up the idea that
00:40:35
Speaker
Since nobody has apparently kicked out of the one winged angel, you wanted to talk about finishers and whether or not they're
Wrestling Finishers: Are They Protected?
00:40:47
Speaker
protected enough in modern day wrestling or specifically in WWE or wherever. What are your thoughts on that? Why was that in the forefront of your mind today?
00:40:57
Speaker
I don't know, there was just, I started seeing, there's like certain moves that used to be a finisher, that you know, just gradually get moved into just regular moves. Like the DDT. Jake the Snake, you weren't kicking out of his DDT. Now it's just like, that could be the first move of a match.
00:41:16
Speaker
Sure. And I think while I was watching the Super Juniors, I saw maybe four Falcon Arrows in three different matches or four different matches. Like just the Falcon Arrow just became such a regular move.
00:41:31
Speaker
The Falcon arrow, the Falcon arrows, the new vertical suplex. Is that what you're saying? It really felt like I would just kept watching a vertical suplex because it looked like, okay, this should be over, but this is just a middle of the match kind of move now. And then it got me thinking, like, is there any move that WWE currently has that you're like, Oh, you don't get out of that one. I, you know, I was thinking about that today and is Strowman's power slam like that? Has anyone kicked out? I mean, Lesnar, I guess maybe.
00:42:01
Speaker
I mean, he put Lesnar through the table with it, but did he do it and then go for a cover? I can't remember. I don't know, like maybe the Kinshasa? I don't think people kick out of the Kinshasa. Reigns is spear. People kick out of that though, even, because like- Anyone besides Lesnar? Hmm. It's like we have to play in a whole different fucking level just because of the Lesnar Reigns shit.
00:42:28
Speaker
Like they built up that nobody was kicking out of the F5 for like a whole fucking year. Just so that brains can kick out of it like five times at mania and then still lose. This is amazing that we watch a weird show. Yes. We watch a really weird TV show with very little logic.
00:42:53
Speaker
I think I think we did a poll on this a few months ago that we got some mixed feedback on about finishers. Do you think that they're not protected enough? And I thought the response overwhelmingly was people saying that no, they're not protected enough. Is that like a suggestion that you would make is that they need to fucking make finishers like for a while be the end of the match or well, if do you think it's fine or is it just an observation or what the fuck are you thinking, man? I don't know people.
00:43:20
Speaker
If New Japan has Kenny Omega doing the One-winged Angel and no one has kicked out of it yet, maybe Okada's the first person to kick out of it soon. You know, Dominion. But, I don't know, it's cool having a move that you're like, oh shit, that's it. Because it's- Do you think that would work?
00:43:39
Speaker
If you were doing it right, maybe it doesn't work in WWE because maybe WWE is like Marvel Comics. It's really bright and shiny and nothing hurts. I don't know, man. I go back and forth on this all the time because
00:43:59
Speaker
I think one of the moments where I realized holy shit they can find a new way to handle how guys hit their finishers and gals was that AJ Styles John Cena match where he hit the attitude adjustment on him and then immediately did that roll up, picked him back up and did it again and pinned him.
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah, that was like a new it was a new spin on like the like the like the finish that I hadn't seen before and goes to kind of what you were saying about the Finn Valor Braun Strowman match where he hits the finisher realizes this might not be enough. I'm going to do it one more time. And I guess, you know, Savage did that at mania where he dropped what, like five elbows in a row or something.
00:44:35
Speaker
Yeah. So I mean, it's I don't know. I don't know if they're not protected enough or if we're just desensitized to watching Stone Cold and the Rock exchange finishers kicking out of each other's finishers, kicking out of their own finisher. Remember when John Cena added the springboard stunner? Yeah. To his arsenal and he just did it for a little bit. Yeah. Stone Cold saying like he was cool with John Cena using it, but he wished that he had won a match with it or something.
00:45:05
Speaker
Yeah, like that does seem like a move that like, you know, it would be kind of a bummer if just the stone cold stunner turns into a DDT. I don't know. Going back to what you were saying, though, about this being a show that there's no fucking logic in, you know, the fucking young bucks are dropping super kicks left and right. And when Shawn Michaels does it, it's the end of the match.
00:45:27
Speaker
Yeah, but that's not their finisher. But that's what I'm saying, like, kick to the face. I mean, it's... Well, Shawn Michaels hurts worse than anyone's. Oh, yeah. It's because he loads up that boot with something special. Yeah, he's tuning up the band and he's getting you. Yeah. The Young Bucks, they're going to give you the Meltzer driver. They're just going to give you about 100 super kicks before they get there.
00:45:52
Speaker
I don't know man, I, like I said, I go back and forth on it. Some days I think I get all curmudgeon-y and they're not protecting the finishers enough. The finisher should be the end of the match and that should be that way. They should build it up for years. And then when somebody actually connects with the finisher, then you know that it's over. And then one day it'll be a big deal when somebody kicks out of it again. So it's like, we're just building to that shit again. You sounded like a Ninja Turtle making a crank call. Yeah, we're ordering a pizza, dude.
00:46:23
Speaker
That's what you wanted. You brought it up. Oh, speaking of you doing voices, I have a request for you. OK. This is a new segment on the show. Yeah, just just requests. So it is one of our listeners, Christopher. I've never tried to say his last name before. Might fuck it up. I can say Christopher.
Candice LeRae in NXT and Intergender Matches
00:46:44
Speaker
Syvedra.
00:46:45
Speaker
We met Chris in line when we were meeting Nido. He was with Johnny. And today is Chris's birthday, the day we're recording this on Tuesday. And he said, since it's his birthday, is there any way you could do the Shane McMahon voice for him one more time?
00:47:03
Speaker
I mean, I'll do it, but I'm not going to tell you it's going to be the last time. Well, I mean, you know, I'm not retiring. We haven't done it in a while. Like just for a reminder, what was it? Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane slammed Shane McMahon into some steel and he made the following noise. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
00:47:32
Speaker
Ugh, how about blacked out? That was intense. Happy birthday, Chris. Happy birthday, Christopher.
00:47:41
Speaker
I'm probably really red in the face right now. Little dizzy. Well, while you're dizzy, I'm out of shape. Yeah. Well, you get your breath back. I'm going to tell the people a little something. Uh, just so y'all know right now, I said y'all live in Nashville. Got to pick up some of that. Uh, we are giving away two tickets to all in in Chicago. September 1st, the show is sold out. You can't get tickets anywhere. You can get them from us because we've got two of them.
00:48:07
Speaker
How do you win these tickets? Well, you go on iTunes. You click on our pre-determined to pro wrestling hangout. Scroll down to where it says leave a review. Click it. Five stars. Write that review. Say what you like about the show. Say maybe something about your favorite episode. Then screen cap that. Send it to pre-determinedpodcastatgmail.com with the headline, I want all in.
00:48:33
Speaker
And then, we're gonna be picking a random name, and somebody's gonna walk away with two tickets and go to the biggest indie show of all time. It's that easy. Screen cap the review, send it to me, Iwantallin, at, and then that's to predeterminepodcastatgmail.com. That easy. It's pretty easy to do. You guys need to capitalize on this, because, God, this is a hot ticket, man. People really want these tickets to this show, and fuck, we were lucky enough to get some, and lucky enough to get some extra ones that were given away.
00:49:03
Speaker
Very excited about that, and guess what you can do while you're there? You can come to Starcast Friday the 31st, come see the two of us sitting at a table, maybe sitting next to James Ellsworth. I don't know, he's got a table in Podcast Row. It's gonna be fun. You can see the roast of Bruce Pritchard. You can see the official all-in weigh-in. That's gonna be awesome. That means you're gonna get to see Okada, you know, dressed casual Friday.
00:49:26
Speaker
If they're lucky, they might even run into Macaulay Culkin. Still standing by. More than anything, Macaulay Culkin wants you on this show. Really think we could have a good hang.
00:49:37
Speaker
You know what? Maybe what this contest is missing, man. Maybe the all-in tickets aren't enough. You would think that they would be enough, but maybe we need to throw in a predetermined pro wrestling hangout hat. You know what? Maybe. That's fine with me. You want a hat? Like, I shouldn't have to give them more, but I'll give them more. You can have a hat. Give them a fucking hat. Also, there are a few hats left. If anybody's interested in one of the predetermined pro wrestling hangout hats.
00:50:00
Speaker
Got some for sale.
00:50:21
Speaker
Yeah, and we have, uh, my friend Blair's walking around wearing one. Kathleen Harrington's wearing one. We've got Metal Dave walking around wearing them. B- Oh, Dalton's gonna be wearing one soon. Get those fucking hats, man. You're gonna look so cool. The shows. They're sexy. They're very, very sexy. Uh, Derek, we have listener mail. Oh, shit!
00:50:44
Speaker
I didn't tell you this. You can prep me for this. I'm excited. Yeah, you want me to read you an email? Read the email. I hope it's from Enzo. This is from, yeah, okay. Dear Derek, you couch piece of shit. He just mentions the couch a lot.
00:50:59
Speaker
No, this is from Kevin Allen. It says, hey guys, huge fan of the show. I was curious about your thoughts on Candice LeRae's booking in NXT. I've seen parts of her indie career, including the bloody Candice match. And agree with the side that she's too talented to be reduced to the role of Johnny Gargano's wife. But have enough faith in how NXT's booking to think that she'll come into her own after the Gargano Chomp a feud concludes. But what do you guys think? Keep up the good work, Kevin.
00:51:28
Speaker
damn first of all I'm excited that we're getting fan mail yeah if you ever have questions send those to our Twitter send them to that same email address happy to answer them fuck that's a heavy that's a heavy question because uh I don't know man there's it the way she's been handling NXT so far has been a little weird because it's not like it's not like she's a delicate flower everyone knows that Candice LeRae can do some pretty hard shit
00:51:57
Speaker
That said, do you think that the casual WWE fan knows that? Does the average WWE fan who doesn't pay attention to the indie scene, do they know that she is capable of taking a thumbtack boot to the face? I don't think they know that and I don't think they would get that from watching what they currently have her doing.
00:52:20
Speaker
Do you think it's a mistake not highlighting that part of her indie career for well for their purposes or we don't know yet that that's not where that you know that we could get to that but we also know that there's a lot of other women that have fought men on WWE and we've never seen them mention that like actually I take that back they have mentioned that when they first signed Candice LeRae they mentioned that she had fought
00:52:45
Speaker
I think they mentioned Cesaro and Kevin Owens. Yeah, they did. And they actually- They outright acknowledged her intergender stuff on the Indies when they signed her. But I feel like it's a thing hearing it and then like in passing being like, that's weird. But then when you actually see it and realize like, holy shit, this girl can hang. Yeah. And then when you see at the end of NXT last week when Champa, you know, kicks Johnny into her and she falls into the metal grates on the floor and she's knocked unconscious.
00:53:15
Speaker
That does rub me a little bit of the wrong way just because we've seen her do such intense shit, but who knows? Maybe they really surprise us and this all leads up to Candace versus Jampa.
00:53:27
Speaker
It did come across as very damsel and distressy, and I think that rubbed some people the wrong way. I think we have to go back to what you and I were talking about around WrestleMania, and it was in relation to the Ronda Rousey Triple H stuff, which is that WWE is just dipping the pinky toe in the water.
00:53:47
Speaker
They like I think they're very hesitant about this and you go back to the conversation that Vince had with punk and how scared he was about UFC having women's fights. I'm sure he's hesitant about letting there be some intergender interaction on the main roster and so.
00:54:06
Speaker
Well, I mean, when I was at that NXT house show a few months ago, the main event was Zelina Vega and Cian Almas versus Johnny and Candace. Yeah, at one point in that she did fight Adrane.
00:54:24
Speaker
Yeah. And I was so caught off guard by that because I wanted to see it so badly, but just assumed it was a thing I wouldn't see. So that leads me to believe that since they had her doing that, even at a house show, maybe in Chicago, you know, because it's a street fight. There's no rules. Maybe something happens where it's really like a real cheap shot. Maybe she interjects and does something to Champa.
00:54:48
Speaker
It's very possible. And I think another thing not to overlook is during the mix match challenge, they had that moment where Charlotte locked Miz in the figure four or was the figure eight either way. They're they're they're testing the waters here and there. I definitely think if we talked about this before, if they're going to do it, it's going to happen in NXT.
00:55:11
Speaker
And the guy running NXT, Paul, just had a big match at WrestleMania where he dipped his toe in that intergender water and it got a huge response. So while I definitely understand people being concerned about how they've handled Candice LeRae so far, give it some time. I'm with you. Give it some time and see how they handle it. She's better than just being Johnny Gargano's wife. There's no question.
00:55:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's just also what we had her, that match of her and Vega, I believe she won. Yeah, if I recall, she won, but like Andrade came out to interfere and Johnny came out and took him out while she took her out. But then she had the match with Bianca Belair where she lost. But I also really love Bianca Belair and want her to get build up big as well, because I see her being a huge star.
00:56:06
Speaker
And did you see there was a tweet today? Somebody asked Charlotte Flair if you could wrestle anyone from NXT, who would you wrestle? And she said Bianca Belair. That's a huge endorsement. That's a big endorsement and actually another big endorsement for NXT this week. Did you see where Cena did an interview and really put over Velveteen Dream?
00:56:26
Speaker
I did see that and I was actually surprised by it because that's bold. I've been hearing rumors all week that Cena actually wants to go down to NXT and do some work there.
John Cena's NXT Ambitions and Velveteen Dream
00:56:36
Speaker
How do you feel about that? You mean like he wants to show up and just like put over some new talent? He wants to do, yeah, he wants to work some programs down at NXT.
00:56:48
Speaker
I'm having a hard time coming up with words because that means if Cena went down there just to do a match with Ricochet, that'd be fun as shit. Like, that's a... Honestly, most of the guys there, like, if you plug in Cena and Adam Cole, I'm gonna lose my goddamn mind.
00:57:04
Speaker
I mean, it could all just be bullshit rumors and there could be nothing to it. I can't even remember exactly where I saw it, but I read that Cena wants to go down and work some of the NXT talent. And then I saw somebody make the passing comment, Cena can go down to NXT and be their top heel down there and actually be heel. And then when he comes back to the main roster, eventually he'll be the best babyface. Because that's how fucking pro wrestling works, folks.
00:57:33
Speaker
If like if he went down there and just like hey guys surprise I decided I wanted to give it a shot down here and then beats like Johnny Gargano for a title. I'm really good at this I forgot I just needed to lower the bar down the developmental. I'm playing on practice mode now. I don't know that would I think that'd be fun. I doubt that will ever happen. It's NXT can I call my finisher the FU again.
00:57:59
Speaker
Like, do whatever you want, Jon. And then, like, just hearing Mauro Ranallo be like, oh, and big match Jon is back. Nigel McGinnis, oh no, he's going for the stunner off the second rope. Oh my God, and Jon Cena has defeated Adam Cole for the United States Championship.
00:58:24
Speaker
It's not the United States Championship, my friend. It's the North American Championship. It's hard to remember. It's a red belt. I think fucking United States is a country. North America is a country. Wait, is theirs red? Yes. So they did make it look a lot like the New Japan US title or the North American title.
00:58:44
Speaker
It looks like an old school territory belt and I like it. I like it too, I have no problems. Like right now, I have very few problems with NXT. What is Undisputed Era as a whole doing at NXT TakeOver Chicago? Well, who is going for the tag titles at this point? Like who are they facing? I can't remember. Is it a Jiz and Otis? It's not Jiz and Otis.
00:59:11
Speaker
We were watching NXT and I couldn't remember the names of both of heavy machinery and I thought it was Jiz and Otis. Now there's a running joke between us that Jiz and Otis or Otis and Jiz is the best tag team in NXT.
00:59:26
Speaker
I mean, they might be, like there's, okay, war raiders, we forgot to mention this too. They, I have never seen anyone less enthusiastically throw up rock horns, do the devil horns, like, they're really, they're like, go out there and pump those fists in the most unnatural way possible. It's like your dad showing up at a party he wasn't invited to trying to be cool. Yeah, ACDC, guys!
00:59:52
Speaker
It's like, oh, fuck. The thing is, I really like them, too. So I really like this NXT recap that we're doing. Do you going back to the scene as endorsement of Velveteen Dream? I asked you this not too long ago. There's certain acts that work in NXT that when you look at them, you go, that works in NXT. I don't know if that would work on the main roster.
01:00:17
Speaker
And apparently, Cena feels that Velveteen Dream works on both because he gave him the endorsement. Do you agree? I think he's really, really good. And I think him showing how he's playing this character shows that he could do a lot of different things. It's kind of like Cody Rhodes being Stardust. Like, if you can go all out on that character, you can pretty much do anything right.
01:00:41
Speaker
Mean I'm not gonna deny it like I just I wanted to get your take on it because there's certain people that you just you wonder if it'll actually work and Do I think the actual talented? Well the velveteen dream character itself do I think that would work? Like on the main roster is a it's like a headlining act. Do you trust Vince on Monday Night Raw booking velveteen dream? I
01:01:05
Speaker
I think it would be very similar to if for whatever reason Dalton Castle ended up in WWE on the main roster. I don't think that would work there either.
01:01:17
Speaker
So the answer is no. No, I don't. I think he's a very, very good wrestler. I don't see the character of Velveteen Dream making it. That's such a bummer. I don't know. What do you think? Because I feel like in WWE, they don't really do silly characters as actual threats. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, look at how they're handling No Way Jose. He's comedy. And he's filler.
01:01:46
Speaker
Once again, that's what they was fighting Baron Corbin. He is not filler. Oh, come on, man. I love this music, though. It does get stuck in my head. No. Yeah. I mean, that's what's going to happen. Like I was I was watching like on tonight's Smackdown when Ty Dillinger came out to fight Shinsuke Nakamura. She's like, sir, you have way too much confidence.
01:02:11
Speaker
Like, that character should be coming to the ring a little scared. Because he is always getting his ass kicked. And he's fighting a man who is psychotic and will punch your balls at a moment's notice. And he doesn't speak English. Just to clarify. Yeah, just to clarify. He does not speak English. He did. But then he forgot. I really like Heel Shinsuke.
01:02:38
Speaker
I like heels Garrett and Shinsuke as a heel has been wonderful. He has the best facial expressions. Gender made this point last year and it was not a very successful promo. Well where do we go from here man? I feel like I'm about done.
01:02:58
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think there's anything left to talk about this week. It's kind of a light week as far as news goes. Oh, I guess we can end on this because this is a thing that brought me so much joy last night. I was on Twitter, it pops up, posted 29 seconds ago. So I immediately screen capped it because I was in tears laughing. Ah, yes. Let me bring up the actual photograph so I can read word for word what he said.
01:03:28
Speaker
Hulk Hogan gets on Twitter, posts a photograph of him and Bam Margera. And Bam really has his arm wrapped around Hulk. It's kinda cute. And it says, damn, Bam, I wish you were still with us. Sure would love to hang out again, my brother. Love you, miss you, HH.
01:03:50
Speaker
And I was laughing so hard and then looked up to make sure that he didn't just die. Yeah, then you felt a little bit bad. And then he didn't just die. And then about five minutes later, Hulk Hogan pulled the tweet and then tweeted out, got Ryan and Bam mixed up. Sorry, Bam.
01:04:10
Speaker
God damn. Isn't that even weird to be like, sorry, I got you and your best friend mixed up. Your best friend who died in a drunk driving wreck. That's brutal. Hulk Hogan just can't catch a win right now. And I don't know if he's earned one.
01:04:27
Speaker
I think he's gonna have to jump to this a few more times before we forgive him. Like he needs to get on the internet and really tweet some embarrassing shit. And just admit to things. Like I need to see him dancing in it. Like Andre wasn't as heavy as he said he was. You know what, maybe if he goes to a Skrillex concert and we get a video of him dancing at a Skrillex concert. That'll be memed, we'll laugh at him for years, maybe a few years down the line then we forgive him.
01:04:57
Speaker
Oh, fuck, man. Hey, are we gonna say anything nice this week? Um, I don't have anyone off the top. I didn't have anyone prepared either. Like, I feel like I can't say it's hard for me to pick out somebody that, like, that I talk shit about a lot. I feel like I've run through all of them. And now I would just be saying nice things about people that I already like. And that seems too easy.
01:05:20
Speaker
Maybe, uh, maybe you should give me somebody to say something nice about. Typically, at the end of the show, we choose somebody that we don't typically say nice things about. And, you know, find something nice to say about them. End the show on a positive note.
01:05:35
Speaker
Derek, say something kind about TNA, Impact Wrestling.
01:05:52
Speaker
I just summed up all my feelings on TNA.
ECW's Influence and TNA's Fan Base
01:05:56
Speaker
If you watch TNA and you listen to this podcast, I'm sorry, I'm not taking an unnecessary dig. It hasn't been my show for a long time. I've found that there are a lot more viewers of TNA than I ever thought.
01:06:10
Speaker
I've talked to multiple people who listen, who have asked me questions about TNA things that I can't answer. You feel unprepared. Yeah, I feel like I'm trying to watch everything, but you know, I'm missing TNA and I don't really want to pay for their streaming service too. Garrett, say something nice about ECW. About ECW? Yes. Oh my god, don't you remember renting those videos when we were kids at the video store?
01:06:35
Speaker
I don't. Well there was a there would be if I recall there was a lady on the front holding an uncensored sign over her chest. I do remember the cover of that VHS. Yeah and you know what as a young boy I wanted to rent that tape.
01:06:51
Speaker
That tape had a little sticker on it that said 18 plus. I wasn't 18 plus, but you know what I was? Confident. Walked up with that video, rented it, saw some violence, saw some boobs, lived my best junior high life. ECW, you really came along at a good time for young boys. You had a time and a place. We all appreciated it. Thank you, Paul Heyman. A lot of good stuff over there. We ended the show on a positive note. Hey, we ended it.
01:07:23
Speaker
Hit our goddamn music. Wait, plug our shit first. No, we already plugged it. Plug it again.
01:07:29
Speaker
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01:07:54
Speaker
And you know what, if there's a type of wrestling we don't cover, if there's a local promotion that we need to check out, if there's anything, if there's wrestling you want me to be watching to talk about to you, let me know. I'll watch any wrestling you throw at me. Send it my way. Do it. You know what, Derek? I think it's time to hit our goddamn music. Hit our goddamn music.