Introduction to the True Crime Podcast
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Introduction to Bell Witch Podcast Episode 56
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Hello and welcome, witches and beautiful souls, to the Bell Witch Podcast. With me, Swales, the Friendly Green Witch.
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This is episode 56 and it is a delightful moot loot. with a fantastic guest, Rita Hogan, C.H.
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Rita isn't just any herbalist. She is a holistic canine herbalist and her speciality is herbal remedies for dogs and possibly other animals and humans as well. So that's that's good for us.
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Rita was a fantastic guest because she was well-versed in podcast recording.
Rita Hogan's Work as a Canine Herbalist
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She had a great set up. She had a great mic, just like mine. Also ah her own podcast show about dogs, which I shall link below. And also had another podcast recording straight after me. so she was on it.
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i was well impressed with that. I was. It's not as dog heavy as you would think it is. And that surprised me. everything we spoke about, which was herbalism in general and how good plants can be for your body, for your soul, for your terrain, how you have a relationship with the herbs around us and how this lifestyle isn't very good for us. And there's definitely a theme on this podcast that when I talk to people,
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They talk about connecting with Earth and looking after ourselves more and not falling victim to capitalism and all that. So even though Rita is a specialist in herbal canine practice, I think if you're like me and you don't have a dog, you'll still benefit quite a lot from listening to this conversation as a pagan and as a witch.
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So I highly encourage you to do that. All the things that Rita speaks about in regards to herbalism can be applied to humans, human consumption, human relationship with the herbs and has written this fantastic book about it all, which this episode is celebrating.
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The Herbal Dog, Holistic Canine Herbalism. applications and practice. It is a gorgeous book. Just going to read you a quote here from theherbaldog.com.
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What a useful and comprehensive guide to herbal remedies for dogs. As an insightful naturalist, Rita Hogan has a profound understanding of our connection to the natural world.
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The Herbal Dog is a carefully crafted manual filled with new perspectives on using herbs that pet parents and herbal practitioners alike will find applicable. And that was by Barbara Royal, DVM.
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I mean, I got this book sent to me in preparation for this interview by Rita's publishers. And I thought to myself, I don't know what I'm doing here. I'm out my depth. I know nothing about dogs. I'll try and read this dog book and see how it goes.
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And wow. It was so well written. It was beneficial to me without a dog. The way it was laid out, helpful tables of herbs, the language it used, it was really accessible.
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You could really get ah an idea at how important this topic is to Rita. You could feel the love and respect for both pets, animals, dogs, and also nature, plants, and herbalism. it was beautiful. it was a lovely read. I really liked it.
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And I found myself wishing there was ah volume two or a second book written like this for humans, like it was written for dogs. a human edition.
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It's a really beautiful book and I was going to pass it on to a friend with a dog but I shall probably keep it now. In other news I'm back from the old jolly bobs with the witchlings.
Exploring Witchy History in Henfield and Horsham
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We went down to the south coast near Brighton and discovered the lovely little village of henfield and also horsham and they had quite a little bit of witchy history going on there which was ace i discovered this house called the cat house a gorgeous black and white tudor style cottage with a thatched roof
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exactly how you're imagining it now that was the house but around the top of the house it had this little motif of a black cat and a bird and the cat was kind of like attacking the bird fyi this isn't a witchy house but i just really love the story so i'm going to tell you anyway The story is something like there were a couple of dudes in the year of 1550. Bob Ward, who was a bit of an eccentric at the time and had a fleet of canaries. Well, maybe not a fleet, but one or two at least.
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And Nathaniel Woodward, who who had the pet cat and they were both members of the church and the cat and the canary used to obviously not get on and I think, by the sounds of it, the cat ate the canary.
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it was a feud that raged on within the village. The story goes that in response to the canary getting eaten, Ward placed metal cats with a canary at their paws around his cottage, which is a grade two listed timber-framed building, and connected them with a string of bells.
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So whenever Woodward walked past, the bells would chime as a reminder of the canary's death. It's just a beautifully morbid.
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Kind of like a big-ass reminder to the whole village that this went on, do not forgive his cat. It's such a fun story and it really enchanted me. And I thought, oh, I should mention this on the intro of the podcast. So there you go. I hope you enjoyed.
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And while I was down there looking at houses with cats on, the episode of The Green Man was released. How organised And I just want to say thank you for your messages and your input and your feedback.
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It seems to have gone down really well. I always worry a little bit about the ones that are just me on my own. It's a lot of responsibility. And I got messages about the green man being non-toxic masculinity in particular.
Inspiration from Witch Wave Podcast
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ah And again, I have to put my hands up and say that wasn't my original idea. i wish it was.
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However, I got this beautiful gem of information from a fantastic fellow podcast called The Witch Wave. I highly recommend it. Go over there and have a listen. That specific mention is on their episode 100 with Starhawk and is a fantastic episode.
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And I just like to practice what I preach, shouting out all the other witchy podcasts that inspire me greatly. i don't listen to loads for fear of copycatting by mistake, but that one in particular, I always listen to and I really enjoy it.
Podcast Introduction and Patreon Support
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And it seems to be a bit of a cat thing. theme going on but it's not cats it's dogs and herbs dogs and herbs okay that's me bundling through the introduction as i always do remember you can join my little patreon to support me or buymeacoffee.com ratings and reviews mean the world so i hope you enjoyed this little moot loop on this day april at 2025 happy earth day
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happy earth day Happy Keep Off The Grass Day, Happy National Tea Day for us in the UK and World Creativity Innovation Day for everybody else. So there's a lot going on today.
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Welcome to my little witchy podcast. How are you? I am very well. How are you? ah Oh, I'm so excited to talk about dogs.
Benefits of Herbal Remedies for Dogs
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Yeah, I'm excited to be on the podcast.
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I love dogs. I don't actually have a dog, but I really appreciate them. And in the UK, dogs are a big deal. you know, a lot of families have them. And because this is a witchy podcast and we're all into herbal stuff, I figured, oh my gosh, what an amazing opportunity to talk about two topics I've never thought of at the same time to together.
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Yeah, well, it's here. do you want to tell us a little bit about what it actually is, a canine herbalist? For all of you witchy listeners, um you know, a lot of you are totally familiar with herbs and using herbs for spell cast or, you know, intention or manifestation or whatever you want to do, right? Well, you can use a lot of those same herbs with dogs ah to help them with their longevity and their chronic illness and, you know, acute disease as well. Who knew?
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Yeah. So, you know, it's pretty fun in general. ah I think, I mean, I do a lot of different things. So I'm an author. i speak all over the world. I formulate.
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ah So that's part of being a canine herbalist is too, if you want it to be, or you can just work with animals. I have a certification program that I, um so I started a school this past year before it was just a bunch of classes, but now I'm starting a four-year program for certification. Yeah.
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ah to help people to become canine herbalists. And i think that, you know, we got to use herbs for dog enrichment, I think is very important. I think they have an innate relationship with nature like we all do.
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Yeah, I mean, if they're allowed to, because I suppose a lot of dogs spend, like us, a lot of time in houses, not connecting with nature. Yeah, you know, and I am a huge advocate for getting yourself and your dog outside as much as you can. ah And you can also bring nature in the home, but I feel like it's better outside, you know, going, even if you can only get to a park or even a hedge. Yeah.
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You know, getting out there and, and communing with
Connecting with Nature for Health
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the plants, I think is important. And your dogs do it all the time, especially through smell. Yeah, totally, yeah. have your book here.
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ah read it really quick in like less than a week. Nice! And I really, really like it, even though I'm not a dog owner, which really surprises me.
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ah learned so much and I love the intro and like how you speak about your grandma and how she knew herbs and you kind of brought up with it and you had dogs around you and stuff.
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Yeah. really, really love that. I mean, was your grandma a witch? Yeah. No, but she was not. But, you know, back then that was, let's see, my mother's 94 and was born in 1930. So it was like, you know, 1915, 1920, my grandma had 16 kids without a doctor ever.
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They never, ever saw a doctor. She had a midwife, but she didn't have anybody. And people knew plants back then. They knew plants. They use plants. They then, and they, you, you know, they came from a preventative mindset.
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They didn't just wait for for their kids to get sick. That's a big difference. You know, my mom, ah my mom would say every spring she would line the kids up and they would get like this cod liver oil and castor oil.
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She said it was disgusting, but my mother, my grandmother believed in it to help detoxify in the spring. And my grandmother was very much in tune with seasonal health. You know, they use what was in season. They used our natural clocks and our, you know, solstices and equinoxes to commune with what is happening in nature as a reflection of what's going on in our own bodies.
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And that is, you can apply that to dogs any day of the
Rita's Journey into Western Herbalism
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week. And I love that. So. Yeah. Yeah. And we need to connect back to nature. Like it's becoming blaring obvious that we need.
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Blaring obvious. Get his feet back on that grass. So can you talk about your journey into canine herbalism and how that progressed? Let's see. I helped my dad in the garden.
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I talk about that in my book briefly. And that's where it started. And then, you know, I've always been a a child of the green um for sure. and when I wasn't, you know, in my crazy 20s, I just really wasn't as happy.
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I didn't have a path. I studied Ayurveda for a little while, and that didn't resonate with me. So I went back to the plants that I grew up with, and that is Western herbalism, which is the, you know, herbs found in England, Scotland, Canada, ah North America. You know, those herbs, you know, they resonate with me strongly, pretty obviously genetically, right?
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And I find that as the years went on, I definitely went back to Western herbalism when I was 30 and I had a kennel-free dog place and I had a dog rescue place and I used herbs on all those pugs that I rescued with another friend of mine. And I learned so much from the animals and from people and my dog boarding clients were my first herbalism clients.
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I would help them with their dogs and help them get back on a, you know, get on a better diet and use herbs to help their dogs and just study study study, study, study, worked with mentors and went to herbal conferences. And I definitely am one of those people that can, you know, read a book, let it go through my brain, come out on the other end, you know, and go out and follow it and do it.
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I learn best by reading. And my second way to learn is actually doing. So I, you know, I did a lot of nature walks with people and herbalism clinics with people. had some good mentors and the plants were my best mentors and the animals for sure.
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Just doing, you know, doing the work, showing up and doing the work, I think is the best way for me as an herbalist to do things. ah Learning and then going and applying those so principles and then figuring out what works and what doesn't work for dogs. So mapping a lot of human herbalism onto canine physiology, but also taking guidance from my mentors like Cheryl Swartz, who wrote Four Paws, Five Directions, just a really awesome book that blew my mind in early 2000s, like around 2004, 2005.
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And now she, Cheryl gave me a recommendation on the back of my book, which is lovely. And then, you know, ah mentor like Greg Tilford, who is a superlative herbalist and has done so much for all of us carrying the torch on, right?
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You know, he gave me an acknowledgement in my book and that's a dream come true because his book Also changed my life and be like, hey, you know, someone is out there working with plants and animals and dogs and cats.
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Oh, my God. i you know, I'm going to follow this man and learn from him. And then yeah I saw him at a show last year. Like, I couldn't speak. Oh, God. You know, like not just Star Trek, just like in awe.
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Like, yeah you know, I have my people that I fangirl on like, oh, my God. And, you know, and he he's very tall man, very tall. And he he put his hand on my back and he leaned down to me and he said, you know, I'm passing the torch on to you.
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And I just started crying. You know, I tried to keep the tears back inside. I was wailing. You know, I was like, oh, my God, i I got to get somewhere so that I can I can let this out. Like, you know, and then I saw him that evening and he and he he told me how proud he was of me. And, you know, those things are when you do the work. Right. And you show up and it's not about you.
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This information is and it's not ours. It's the plants in the way that they express themselves through human interaction. And I learned traditional herbalism is handed down from generation to generation. And I am so proud to be part of that traditional herbalism work because we can't let that information die out.
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Science can do whatever it wants to do, but it doesn't understand what plant language right now. It can tell us like what constituents are good and what vitamins and minerals a plant may have.
Impact of Technology on Stress
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It can tell us what, you know, they think, they think is their active ingredients, but none of those ingredients are benign. Like I, you know, I talk about in my book, I guess to be recognized as one of the stewards of this work makes me very proud.
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It makes me very proud to be recognized as one of the stewards of this work. you know Greg was a huge inspiration of mine. And then Matthew Wood, who you know has done a lot of work in England, went to Scotland for a college in Scotland for part of his herbalism work. He's a huge an inspiration of mine. I love how his mind works.
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And I love how he discusses the body. But again, you know he learned from his mentors and and I'm a mentor to others now. And you know we just keep passing it on. And and what's awesome about our brains is that you know someone will read my book, take the information and make it better, right? And see different patterns in the way that they think.
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I just love that because we don't have all the answers and we need to work together on this. We need to come together in the green, and in nature and in energy and frequency and vibration, learn and commune with the plants so that we can heal the diseases because our animals take on our diseases.
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And so that they help us heal those disease. I think, you know, like in the book, a part one on page three, I have in here, um we believe that the domestic animals were sent here to accept the diseases of humans and to show them how to heal these diseases.
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That's from Tismal Crow. He's an indigenous American healer. And the cool thing is, is it's Tismal Crow was one of my mentors, mentors. Right. And I just think that is just awesome.
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It is true. The canine people are here to help the human people to heal themselves because we've gotten completely out of whack. You'll know how of whack you get when you, you know, when you pick up your cell phone and you look at it and you go, I really need to put that down, you know, and the feeling after you put it down that something is missing.
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That is a huge telltale sign that we are out of whack when we think that there's something missing because we're not watching the the newest video or we can't be present to like the people around us or in front of us when we put our cell phones down and feel weird about that.
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We know that nature is lacking. So if you feel weird out there when you put your cell phone down, and know that you need to get outside and interact with the planet around you. It has everything you need and you'll be okay.
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Take it from my 94 year old mother who does have a cell phone now and scrolls before she goes to bed. But um she is 94, but she went what? I think 80 years, 75 years without a cell phone.
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ah She's living till 94 and we only had a landline and life was better when we weren't connected all the time because it's not true connection and we weren't available all the time.
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Our stress levels were much less. And if I could go back to a time before Facebook and all that and make a different decision, like I'm not going to join this. I absolutely would.
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I think that social media can really offer us some connection and to know that we're not alone in the world and to reach out to other people across the world. But I don't think that our brains are evolved enough to handle the constant stimulus that's coming at us and knowing what's happening.
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around the world every second of every day. There's no downtime for that
Dogs Fostering Social Connections
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at all. I am a jogger and I jog through the woods almost every day now and it is becoming an addiction and I love it. i love that can jog through the woods and pick a few little garlics that are popping up no um I don't know loads, but I know a little bit. Just the other day, I was staring at the river, being all mystical after my jog, and this gorgeous dog ran up to me, and this guy started talking to me, and it turned out that he grew up with plants. He was born on a farm, and he started telling me all this amazing information about foraging and plant life and tree hugging, and it was just so unexpected.
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All because like his lovely little dog who is called Gizmo ran up to me. And I just thought, how funny is that? Like tomorrow I'm recording with Rita talking about herbs and dogs. And then there's this dog.
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Whenever I like I'm on this nine month book tour and we were in this little city called Vancouver the other day. And it's actually not very far from my house because I was on my way back after like six weeks.
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And there were so many dogs. They were everywhere. Like San Diego, California. They're fantastic. dogs are everywhere. I mean, everywhere. And I love seeing them. I just love seeing so many dogs everywhere and you see all the different personalities. And, and I feel this way about, you know, all animals, you know, i think people are starting to commune with animals more and realize that's one thing that social media can help us with is realize the individuality of different types of animals and,
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that people can be friends with skunks. They can be friends with squirrels.
Herbs for Dogs' Health and Environment
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They can be friends with all of these different animals. Not that we need to bring them into our house and domesticate them, but the fact that fish have feelings, squirrels have feelings, possums have feelings, you know, and they all form connection. Like I have two chickens now.
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I love them so much. You know, I have a rooster that lets you hold him. He bit me yesterday, but you know, I think I picked him up too fast, but it didn't hurt that much. But ah my feelings were a little hard, but I'm fine. is Telling you off. Yeah. Yeah. I have, you know, a rooster that likes to be held in a little hand and we're getting two more. It's called chicken math, but even, you know, even they have like roosting herbs, you know, they have herbs that are going their hay that they are their straw that they like to sit on and roost on and it helps them and calms them and they eat them.
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And I just think that when we see animals and people as individuals and that we're all connected, I think we can make better choices. I wonder if you could talk a little bit about the terrain of the dog's body that really captured my interest, how you spoke about, you know, like when something goes wrong, medicine today in the Western society looks at the problem and not like the rest.
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The terrain of your body is the inside tissues, your organs, muscles, ligaments, cells, veins, arteries. That's the inner terrain, your immune system, your microbiome that's in the large intestine. And of course, everything applies to dogs here as well.
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And, you know, we're never going to win the war against germs out on the outside. You know, we can make better choices with hygiene and things like that, but a clean, ultra clean world is not a healthy world.
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You know, we need all of that interaction with soil and the outside to help fortify the inside. It's just one when things get out of balance and humans are having, ah are doing a lovely job at, at making things out of balance, but the inside, we have some control over that.
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And when we fortify and nourish the inside of our bodies, we're We take action against pathogens, against imbalances. Like, you know, for instance, in my book, ah Under Everything's Connected, I talk about the nervous system, you know, and how and it's the most important system in your body because it affects so many things like stomach acid.
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Right. And in our dogs that are stressed, if you're stressed, your dog is stressed. Just guarantee that it's a done deal. When you're stressed and your dog is stressed, they produce less stomach acid and stomach acid and the lungs are the number one gatekeepers to pathogenic overgrowth in the body.
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And you need really strong stomach acid and your dog has really strong stomach acid. And dogs that aren't stressed can build and produce really good stomach acid. But if you are stressed, that stomach acid goes way down and you are at, you're opening yourself up to vulnerability in your immune system, not working correctly. Right.
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And your gut not working correctly, because when you're in fight or flight, everything goes on kind of like emergency reserve. Like if you have a generator and the power goes out, you know, some little low lights go on, right? Just minimal to survive it until everything gets turned back on.
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Well, that's kind of like how your nervous system works. And the unfortunate part is you cannot heal in the face of fear and stress. So stress will keep you from healing your body.
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And that creates poor terrain. Your terrain needs to be healthy so that your body can react better. and dissipate disease and dissipate pathogenic overgrowth.
Stress and Health Maintenance
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So when we we become less stressed, we're able to take on more, but with grace and ease versus with absolute stress. Like yesterday, I made a post on my personal page about going to the gym.
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It was a picture of me in front of the treadmill. And i I made a post that, you know, on the days that you're the busiest, right? on the days that when your schedule is so incredibly full, that's the day to take the time to take care of yourself.
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My schedule is very full because I'm home right now from my book tour and I ah have all these little things I'm catching up with. And I knew, like I said, oh yeah, I have a lot to do. Okay, ah go to the gym.
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We're doing this little interval training for good blood sugar right now. And then lifting weights has really helped me have good blood sugar as well as lose some weight and just feel so much better in my body.
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Less stress, less histamine, less all of those things that build up when you're not moving your body. And a better lymphatic system and a better terrain. My terrain is so much better when I go and take care of myself, whether that's a walk, like we took a walk after breakfast today, started raining on us. So we walked back, but we got out and we moved And all of that stuff builds healthy terrain.
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And a lot of people will have reasons. Oh, well, I can't do that. I'm too busy. Oh, oh I can't do that. I'm too busy. I've said that a million times and it's always gotten me in a really horrible place. That is the best time to take care of yourself is when you're too busy.
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And all of that equates to good terrain and all of the herbs that we use. in my practice for the nervous system, they help good terrain. Mushrooms help good terrain.
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Mushrooms definitely help good terrain. They help the whole gastrointestinal system and the nervous system and the liver system and the lymphatic system. And, you know, herbs also have far reaching abilities to help heal and build systemic health.
Introducing Herbal Remedies to Dogs
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that's really good. Like one of the herbs that I'm sure you see every day on your walk is nettles and blackberry leaf, but nettles, Nettles are everywhere in this type of climate.
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ah we We share a lot of the same climate. I think yours is a little worse, but not too much. not to I mean, it looks like an English day right now. Are you in England? Yeah, north North England, which is even worse. It looks like North England outside right now for sure.
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You know, we've got the moss and the trees and and the the overcast and the blustery oceanfront and, you know, all of that stuff. Nettles are just so nourishing to us.
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And they're there for everyone and they help with stress and they help with the lymphatic system. They help with the terrain. They help with the kidneys and the liver. They help the gut and the histamine levels and the microbiome.
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You know, it's a tonic herb and there's lots of herbs like that. All the herbs that you mentioned in your book, they could be applied to the human, right? It's not just for dogs. No, it's not just for dogs. And yes, it definitely can be applied to humans.
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Everything in the book applies to humans, except that You know, you need to remember that there's a couple of things like a dog's gastrointestinal tract is shorter, much shorter, much shorter. And, you know, there's things that you want to make sure that you don't freak out about in a dog, but you want to pay attention to yourself. Like because that gastrointestinal tract is so much shorter, if you see blood in stool,
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It's not that big of a deal. It's just inflammation in the gastrointestinal tract. But if you're a human and you have blood in your stool, then you definitely want to pay attention You really want to look at herbs that can offer that systemic component along with mushrooms like maitake and turkey tail and reishi and different things like that for their systemic efforts, right? Because those are the tonic ones.
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Those are the ones that are going to help the microbiome. I mean, how do you give a dog herbs? I can't quite get that in my head. It didn't feed it to them. Is that, is that really it?
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No. So that's one of the reasons why I wrote my book. I think it is chapter, chapter six, planning herbal protocols and chapter five, which goes through the remedies and chapter six goes through, but you know, making an herbal protocol.
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You need to, see, you know, what herb you're using, what you're using it for, what you want to want it to do, right? And then that's going to dictate how you're going to use it. So you can use dried herbs in the food.
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You can make a tea out of those dried herbs or fresh herbs. um I have all that information in my book, which is great. But sometimes you want to bypass the stomach and just have it go into the bloodstream, which you would use a tincture or a glycerate extract.
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I know that in England, some extracts are tinctures. So there's kind of a language thing there, but a tincture is made for here. There's a tincture is made with alcohol.
00:31:49
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And for dogs, we give very little, like, you know, one to 20 drops. And for every seven drops, there's one drop of alcohol and it's, and it's highly diluted with water. So yeah. You don't need to worry about that unless you're giving a lot of it.
00:32:02
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And then you probably should give some milk thistle. And I talk about alcohol in my book, but there's tinctures, there's extracts. Those are made with glycerin. And then there's infusions, which again are a tea. There's decoctions, which is like a simmering of the root, the seeds, the berries, the bark we make a decoction out of, it but it's just like a low simmer of a tea.
00:32:26
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ah much more concentrated. It depends on if it's a chronic disease, if it depends that if the gut is involved. So there's things to to consider. However, I do cover that in my book under planning herbal protocols. And it gives you guidelines for, you know, expectations and healing.
00:32:44
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ah One of the biggest things with healing is that you have to have patience because these herbs are not pharmaceuticals. Yeah, they take the time. and And it should be like proper healing is yeah take a bit of time.
00:32:55
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I mean, i think a lot of people have questions, you know, I know the herbals that I've read in the past, they left a lot of questions. I always wrote down my questions. So that was good because when I came to write my book, the herbal dog, I wanted to make sure that those, all those questions were answered, you know, when to give it, when to stop, how to know if it's working.
00:33:16
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A lot of people are like, how to so how do I know if it's working? Well, we want to move in the right direction for sure, right? A lot of people will give their dog like a formula and a lot of it's TCM, ah traditional Chinese medicine formulas, which are awesome, but some of them are don't are not working. And that's not because they're TCM formulas.
00:33:35
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It's because they're just energetically inappropriate for the dog for the most part. They'll have them on there for like a year and I'll say, hey, so did it improve your dog at all? No.
00:33:45
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Well, why are they still on it? Well, I'm afraid to go off of it, but it didn't improve it at all. No, it didn't. Well, we need to go off of it. And if they're on it for a long time, you can slowly go off of something. And usually the crazy thing is their health will probably improve.
00:33:59
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You know, there's those types of questions that need to be answered, especially if someone is just starting out with herbs in their pet. What surprised me as well as and ah not a dog owner is just how bad like regular dog food is, you know, like the dried kibble and stuff.
00:34:14
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There's not much goodness in there for them. but Yeah, it is. All of us who feed like a better dog diet are... pretty shocked when we came to that realization and had that ah kind of journey.
Importance of Quality Dog Food
00:34:30
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Like, oh my God. i you know, I remember, I don't know if I talked about it in my book. I think I did. My pug Finbar, the Irish pug, he was sick all the time. He had pneumonia all the time, all the time when he was young and watching your dog suck air is horrifying.
00:34:45
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It's horrifying. And Watching anyone suck air is horrifying, but you know, he didn't understand what was happening and we'd have to give him steroids every time. My vet was awesome, but not skilled in the art of nutrition.
00:34:57
Speaker
I changed his diet and he slowly started getting worse. And that's when he started getting pneumonia when we moved. And I didn't have access to the diet that I was feeding him prior to that when he was a puppy.
00:35:09
Speaker
And we went to a kibble diet. We were out in the middle of nowhere. we went to a kibble diet. I didn't think anything of it at the time. And then when he got pneumonia all the time, I turned the bag over. I mean, the front of the bag looked beautiful, right?
00:35:22
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It was very aesthetically pleasing. And it looked like there was great things in his food. ah No. There was not. It was a lie. There's no rules governing marketing and lying to people about that.
00:35:34
Speaker
And when I changed his food, we eat never had pneumonia again. And it was just so sad because we would go in once a month or once every month and he would be on steroids. He'd have to go back on steroids. And they saved his life.
00:35:46
Speaker
Absolutely. that I'm so glad they existed at the time. But it was his food that was making him sick. And so, you know, I went down on that path and that journey. And here I am now. and And thank you, Finbar, um for your sacrifice. ah He lived until he was 17.
00:35:59
Speaker
I was so sad to see pedigree creeping up in Ireland and England when I was there last year. i saw it in the store and some other just horrid, horrid kibbles ah in your stores now.
00:36:13
Speaker
It was sad. I was like, oh Oh God, don't, don't, don't feed it. Please don't feed it. You know, there's a kibble hierarchy. I do talk about that in my book and I definitely recommend fresh feeding as much as possible, but you know, you do what you can, but if you're going to feed kibble, make sure it's a good one, you know, limited ingredient and that the kibble company takes a pledge and promises not to use rendered meal, which is the grossest thing on the planet.
00:36:39
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Yeah, you know, it ah it's really important to look at the back of your bag of kibble and know what those ingredients are and where they're sourced from. And a lot of the times you will be appalled and go, like I did, this can't be allowable.
00:36:56
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It can't be legal. This has got to be not legal. No, it's legal. I mean, but it's just like fast food, you know. In England, fast food is different than it is here. It's worse here in America. It is just awful.
00:37:08
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You know, there's 21 ingredients in McDonald's fries. In England, there is not 21 ingredients in those fries. think there's like five. But still, fast food is, processed food is trash.
00:37:19
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And if we feed our bodies trash, our terrain is going to be trashed.
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00:38:12
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All of you listening have witchy ways, right? And a lot of you know about megahertz and vibration and frequency and energy and voltage.
00:38:23
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So kibble has zero voltage. Zero voltage. It's not adding to your cellular voltage, which we need good, healthy cellular voltage, putting your feet on the ground, your dog's feet on the ground. It's another reason to go outside. It increases your voltage.
00:38:40
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We need good, healthy cellular voltage to feel energy, to feel, to have animation, to interact, to have good brain health, to good have good gut health.
00:38:51
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You need that. And if your food is dead, And dead, I'm meaning no voltage, right? If your food has zero life left in it, it's not adding to you. It's subtracting to you.
00:39:05
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I'm always thinking when I eat my food, what does this have a good vibration? You know, like stuff from a greenhouse definitely does. And you can feel it. And I avoid the microwave like the plague. All it does is make popcorn and tell me the time. That's all it does.
00:39:18
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You know, it's great to think that, right? It's great to think, well, you know, is this food, is this food adding to my life? Is it a positive thing? Or is it something that my liver is having to constantly fight about?
00:39:31
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And I'm not going to tell you that I eat a hundred percent awesome food. I have some processed food every now and then for sure. But you know, my goal is 90, 10, 90% of the time eat really good food and 10, allow yourself that 10% of the time to have some, some treats to have some sugar.
Intentions and Energy in Healing
00:39:49
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I like to go on a Saturday morning. I love to go to this little coffee shop called the owl.
00:39:54
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And I like to have my green tea latte and my gluten-free yum. Yum. Okay. It's usually like a gluten-free s scone. I like to have that on Saturday mornings or Sunday mornings. And if I have that more than once a week, I can see my health diminishing.
00:40:09
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You're not going to feel good. I want to feel as good as I can. Do you believe that the bond between the pets and their humans impacts the effects of the herbal treatment?
00:40:20
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It's such a good question. That's a good question. Yeah. I must throw that when I woke up the middle of night. They're like, Oh my God. You know, I do believe yes. So the intention and the time that you take to set aside to help heal your dog, I think is very important. A lot of times we just want to throw something together and kind of throw it at the wall and see if it sticks.
00:40:45
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Right. Yeah. Or given to the sentence, I've tried everything. The intention around showing up and putting something together and giving it thought and not having everything handed to you, right?
00:41:00
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Really thinking about it, giving it some presence. I definitely think that that the intention has a huge, huge impact. And anyone that knows, you know, about energy medicine is going to agree with me.
00:41:13
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Just like, you know, water holds a motion. It forms different crystals when you are mean to it. When you're talking negatively or being negative and nasty, right?
00:41:23
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Water can actually form different types of crystals. They've done research on this. It's phenomenal. Like if you hold your water and fill it with gratitude, thank you so much for this water. And thank you so much for healing my body and nourishing my body.
00:41:36
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The crystals in the water change. That definitely is your intention. So I think that it is important. There's lots of homeopathic medicine producers that will do like yoga and meditation before the employees are able to go in there and make the medicine.
00:41:54
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you know, to get them in a point where they're clear and can give the right intention to the medicine before it's being made. And I think that, you know, making herbal medicine is like that. You want love to go into the plants.
00:42:08
Speaker
You want to show love for the plants. I'm going to say that that's the best question since January, since, oh no, February 4th, when I've started my book tour. That's a great question. And I love it. Congratulations.
00:42:19
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You win. Thank you. I did one with my kids a few, probably a year ago now with rice, like cooked rice. ah and wouldn't just say love One love and one jar said hate.
00:42:32
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And I said to the kids, right, shout at the jar, you know, with hate and then speak kindly to the jar with love. We did it for ages and it didn't look like anything was happening. And then they got bored, so we abandoned it.
00:42:44
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But when I opened the jars, what was amazing was the jar that we'd spoken love to didn't smell of anything. The jar that we'd spoken hate to absolutely stank.
00:42:55
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Oh, I love that. How amazing is that? The jar that they your kids spoke hate to started molding and decomposing and stunk. That spoke love to didn't smell at all.
00:43:06
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How amazing is that? Yeah, there's so much going in energy. in energy that we have no clue about and that we take for granted. and When you spoke about the dogs, that there were a dog in your book that I think the owner got ill and it looked quite bleak and then something changed and she got better and the dog got ill. And like earlier on, you were saying how the dogs can take on the owner's illness.
00:43:33
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Yes. i mean, wow, that just proper broke my heart. But, you know, I see it all the time. My mind that ties in, you know, like speaking to yourself, you know, will heal yourself, heal your dog, you know, your food, speak nice to your food, I'll heal you.
00:43:48
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i just think that the energy that we put into things is the energy that we get out of things.
Managing Stress with Holistic Approaches
00:43:53
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You know, I'm working with a client right now, it's a human client, and she's having a hard time with stress and panic and fright.
00:44:00
Speaker
You know, her life is so stressful. It's so stressful. And She's chasing that carrot, right? That fame and fortune carrot, but not slowing down to really savor the in-between.
00:44:11
Speaker
And she's on like a treadmill of, of stress. The, the carrots are awesome, but the way that she's reacting to, it to them and getting to those carrots is causing her so much decline.
00:44:25
Speaker
Because she hasn't figured out how to put her cell phone down and consistently take time out for her, create a routine that nourishes her nervous system so that she can go to these things and be brilliant, but also be calm and graceful in that brilliance and love.
00:44:46
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um And I think that happens to a lot of people. Again, we have to get our system firing in a way that is not over firing all the time so that we come to every single thing in a reaction, you know, instead of gratitude and calmness.
00:45:02
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It's because, you know, the way we react, we have power over the way react to things. And if we don't do that naturally, we just have to learn how to do it. And there's so many resources out there that can teach us that, you know, meditation, breathing, yoga, qigong, walking in nature, plants, homeopathy, you know, essential oils.
00:45:20
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ah So many thick flower essences, so many things. There's so many roads to coming at something calm. I actually use flower essences and specific frequency microcurrent.
00:45:33
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Can you say that 40 times? It helps me so much reset my vagus nerve when I'm dealing with a lot of things. And what's so crazy is that It chills me out. Like you have like, like it puts me into dude mode.
00:45:49
Speaker
Like it really does. it Yeah. Dude mode. I, I, like I was telling my partner, I'm like, we were doing this thing at, uh, the Berkeley herbal center, which is a lifetime achievement award for myself.
00:46:01
Speaker
And I was teaching at the be Berkeley herbal center. It was just like, Oh my God. And she goes, are you nervous? Yeah. And I said, no. And I know like a couple of years ago, i would have been a mess all day long, like just in fight or flight, just a mess.
00:46:18
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And the microcurrent machine that I, I hook up to my body and I run this program for an hour puts me into dude mode. Like, dude, you know, like just chilled out, not stressed.
00:46:30
Speaker
Yeah. empowered. And all it is, is, is frequency. So it's matching, matching the frequency. It's the frequency that allows my vagus nerve to switch into relaxation and get out of fight or flight when, when it happens, it's allowing me more energetic, I would say flexibility with my vagus nerve to go or It's also called heart rate variability to go in from fight or flight and then you just, you know, breathe and switch back really easily into relaxation. And I have found that that particular modality, along with flower essences, really helped come at this, you know, nine month long book tour.
Balancing Book Tour and Self-Care
00:47:09
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I'm coming to England, by the way.
00:47:10
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And, um, and this nine month long book tour with grace and ease versus, uh, stress and exhaustion. Like every person I talk to, you must be so exhausted.
00:47:23
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I'm like, no, I think you're exhausted. I bring that up for them. They look at my life through their lens, like their lens of, if I was doing that, I'd be exhausted and stressed, um,
00:47:36
Speaker
Right. But I'm not exhausted in stress because I'm taking care of myself. Now, that was not me eight years ago. I had cancer in 2017. I was a stressed out disaster.
00:47:47
Speaker
but I was just stressed out. I was a mess working like 16 hours a day. not taking any time for myself, not caring about myself. I was a caretaker at the time. I was a mess. And I learned the hard way that if you don't take care of yourself, your body will.
00:48:01
Speaker
It'll say, you know what? I'm putting you down for a while. And it did. And I learned so much from it. And I'm not saying it was pleasurable. I didn't didn't do any chemo or radiation. I just had surgery, but I used plants. gotta say I used plants. I put my money where my mouth is for sure.
00:48:16
Speaker
But I had to learn the hard way. And if I can... contribute or our dogs can contribute to changing that for people, it's worth it. You know, it was worth it. And that's the thing.
00:48:27
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Like we get dogs to improve our lives. People think that, well, I'm getting this dog to improve its life. No, you're not. You are getting dogs to improve your life.
00:48:38
Speaker
They improve our lives. They make our lives better. Animals make our lives better. You know, when I see my partner with our cat, Oscar, it is the most beautiful relationship I have ever seen of two people at, well, one human and one kitty. It is just a beautiful thing to see, but he is such a healer to her.
00:48:56
Speaker
Like he heals everything and he just loves her and It's just so beautiful. But we get our animals to help improve our lives. And in turn, they're taking on a lot of those issues for us. And they're here to teach us to take care of ourselves, to get outside, to learn, to heal ourselves and to be have that innate relationship with nature that they do.
00:49:19
Speaker
Cats heal you, don't they? The purrs are a frequency healing. Yeah, they heal bones. How magic is that? Oh my gosh, I cannot believe i don't have a cat or a dog. I love a cat or a dog. So that's that's frequency, right?
00:49:31
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That's purr is at the frequency of bone healing. So it's the same thing that the little machine that I, it puts out a frequency that goes into my body that resonates with vagus nerve health, right?
00:49:44
Speaker
At the same frequency as the vagus nerve. And so it's the same thing. And it's just so beautiful that purring resonates at the frequency of healthy bones.
Aligning Herbal Remedies with Seasons
00:49:55
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not I know it's so lovely they oh so how can dog owners introduce remedies have you got ah like a tip that we can all get started on know people who haven't ever thought about this like me Well, my thing is just take your time.
00:50:12
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So in the book, I have a ah guide for introducing remedies to your dog. You know, you want to figure out what your dog needs, like what they're suffering from, what herbs can help that.
00:50:24
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My biggest thing, you know, is chapter three. It goes over at the energetics of your dog. If your dog is warm or cool, that's a huge thing, right? If your dog is warm and cool, Figure that out, how they resonate with heat. You'll understand. It's easy.
00:50:37
Speaker
And then use the herbs that are the opposite of that energetic. So if your dog is warm, you're going to use the majority of herbs you're going to use that are cooling. And if your dog is cool, the majority of the herbs that you're going to use consistently are going to be warming.
00:50:51
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Those are the ones that are going to work well for them. Mix, you know, one formula whatever. if you you know If you buy a formula commercially or one herb or mix three herbs together or use three herbs at a time and just, or one herb.
00:51:07
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Nice and slow. don't Don't make any other changes so you know what's working and what's not working patiently. And then learn about some herbs. Like I learned... tell people to learn about one herb every month.
00:51:19
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I have this thing called the Materia Medica Monthly, and that is one herb every month that i that we go over and specialize in, and they can learn every month. And 12 months, you'll know 12 herbs. In two years, you'll know 24.
00:51:32
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I will let you know that I don't use more than 24 probably in my practice on a consistent basis. You know, there's herbs that every herbalist gets to know and resonates with and uses for almost everything. And then there's the randos that they bring in for specific things. But consistently, I think most herbalists use less than 25 herbs.
00:51:52
Speaker
That surprises me. Yeah. There doesn't have to be a problem, does there? You could introduce something just for dog's well-being, would you say? Yeah. ah And, you know, in the witchy ways, I will definitely say seasonal healing, following the seasons, following the the schedule, right?
00:52:09
Speaker
The equinoxes, definitely in the solstices, that equates a different time of year. And each period of the year resonates with certain types of organs and healing and emotions and You know, like spring is liver and lymphatics and summer is heart and small intestine and fall is large intestine and lungs and winter is kidneys and the bones.
00:52:33
Speaker
And those all resonate with the different types of celebrations that you're doing and that you're following those different types of equinoxes and solstices. And you can just get on a schedule of prevention And work with, you know, the herbs that deal with those types of organs and or organ systems and create prevention of disease versus come just waiting for your dog to get sick or yourself to get sick. Yeah.
00:53:00
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Yeah. Alchemy, isn't it? Like herbalism is a type of alchemy that mustn't be forgotten. We have to. No, we should not forget it ever. Yeah, and and I'm not amazing at I know basic stuff and I mostly use was what grow in my garden, you know, like really obvious stuff like nettle and lavender dandelion. and I'm not, I'm not like exotic at all.
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah, you don't need to be. Yeah, I recently read about the, you know, the sticky buds and you put them in water and you can drink the water and it tastes really nice and it's really good for your liver. The last year. The what? The sticky what? We call them sticky buds. I don't know the official name, but it's like they're like sticky and they stick to your clothes.
00:53:42
Speaker
Oh, c cleavers. Cleavers. I've got a load of them annoying in my garden and they grow up a tree, you know, and annoy the tree. some Yeah, they're good yeah for the lymphatics and for the liver and they're a systemic herb for spring.
00:53:54
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And it tastes really nice. Like, honestly, I'm surprised how nice it is. So I'm like, come on, weed, grow, grow. Yeah, grow, grow. I'm going to use you. And so you can't attack my tree.
00:54:05
Speaker
Yeah. When, when. Brilliant. I feel like coming to an end, it's been such an enlightening interview. Thank you so much for coming on, Rita. Did you say you were coming to the UK?
UK Book Release and Tour Plans
00:54:17
Speaker
I am. So my book, The Herbal Dog, is coming out in the UK. I think on think it might have came out today. really okay on march 13th i'm pretty sure that or the 17th but it's it's coming out and um yeah i'm gonna come to the uk i don't have a venue yet but i will it'll be on my book tour website which is the herbal dog and you can go under book tours and see the locations i'm coming to ireland england and spain i'm speaking in spain but i will be doing a ah a book signing event in england somewhere with a couple of
00:54:49
Speaker
veterinarian so that I know and then um I'll be in Ireland for one event I don't know what that is yet though it's you know far away it's October but I yeah I am coming so I'm very excited about that probably London right would it will it be no I won't be London good no I I know unless someone invited me and is paying me to go to London i am not going I I much prefer something smaller Yorkshire Yorkshire Yorkshire yeah yeah yeah yeah But the good thing is, is like you know it doesn't take that long to get anywhere in England.
00:55:20
Speaker
So it'll probably be in like a general location, but it's definitely not going to be London. I don't like New York, ah New York and ah London. Yeah, it's just, it's just too big for me. I'll link all your website and stuff in the show notes.
00:55:35
Speaker
And what's your podcast called? It's called Dogs or Individuals. My teaching website is canineherbalism.com. And that's my course and platform website. And then my other website is canineherbalist.com.
00:55:49
Speaker
And then I have theherbaldog.com. But you do human stuff as well as dog stuff, I take it. I do. It's just really hard to get into me as a human. It's hard to get into me as an animal as well but because of my book tour right now. But um yeah, I do.
00:56:04
Speaker
Is there anything else you want to mention or plug or anything? No, that's about it. My book is my biggest thing. It is a gorgeous book and I've learned loads from it. You know, as as a witch and as somebody trying to get into herbal stuff. and I'm learning every day.
00:56:18
Speaker
And it's just so beautiful. There are fake flowers around the dog. I mean, do you know this dog? ah No, this is a fake dog. It's a fake dog. oh Yeah. To my knowledge, I don't know what dog this is. I don't know whose dog this is.
00:56:31
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This was a lovely artist that made this for me. And I told her I i wanted a ah ah bright dog that most people could relate to. Because if it was for my it was for me, it would be a pug.
00:56:43
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But, you know, I'm not going to, like, you're not your, I guess, client. You know, you're not your audience. So i put in ah I put in this dog and I really like it. Proper nailed it right there.
00:56:54
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Gorgeous. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. I've got another one in a half hour. so I'm going to go get something to eat and join my email list. You go to the canineherbalism.com website and on the right-hand corner, it'll say email list or something like that. If something doesn't pop up and join it so that you'll get notified of my dates for Europe.
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