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True Crime Bonus - The Disappearance of Christina White and the Lewis-Clark Valley Serial Killer, Part 1
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How does a 12-year-old girl disappear from her best friend's house on the day of the local fair? Who could be responsible her going missing? Why was her homework found miles away on the farm where that same best friend kept her horse? And how did the case of Christina White's disappearance become the lynchpin to discovering that a serial killer was lurking in the Lewis-Clark Valley of Idaho and Washington State? We seek to answer these questions with Allison Dickson of the Vintage Villains podcast in this True Crime Bonus Episode.
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Introduction to Podcast
00:00:13
Speaker
This is the Silver Linings Handbook podcast. I'm Jason Blair. And this is Alison Dixon of the Vintage Villains podcast.
The Mystery of Christina White's Disappearance
00:00:32
Speaker
just a little more than a month after her 12th birthday on Saturday. While most of the town of Assoten, Washington was a few miles away at the Assoten County Fairgrounds in southwest Washington State, Christina White decided to ride her 10-speed bike down the hill on Jefferson Street to her friend Rose's house. She never returned home.
00:00:55
Speaker
More than 45 years later, what happened to Christina that day is still shrouded in mystery. Hello, everybody. I just want to say first of all to Jason, thank you very much for bringing me on with you to cover this case. I know it's one you've been passionate about for a long time. And ah you've discussed little bits and pieces of it with me over the um the time we've been friends the last couple of years. but ah Once I started digging into this, I was not prepared for the journey that I was going to be taking. so I just want to say that first and foremost. and i also um As we get into this, and we're going to be referencing a lot of materials, there are a lot of people that have been following this case and investigating this case and following the trail of the person we're going to be talking about tonight.
00:01:46
Speaker
And of course, credit goes to the Snake River Killer podcast, which I've been listening to on Marathon ah for the last few days here. Fantastic work by Brandon Schiran and his team. And also the documentaries Confluence and Cold Valley, which featured Detective Jackie Nichols and investigator Gloria Crow-Boberts, among others who have been doing the work um of this case.
00:02:10
Speaker
Yeah. And it's been neat. So, you know, you mentioned, you know, I've been mentioning it to you for a couple of years. It's it's a hard cat case to sum up for people. And so I give them like a general overview of it and they're like, wow, that sounds unbelievable. Then I tell them a little bit more. Then I tell them a little bit more. And they're like, this is totally unbelievable.
00:02:28
Speaker
So um it's it's just been a fascinating journey. um I think I got pulled into the case through the documentaries, Confluence and Cold Valley. um But eventually I was lucky enough to have Gloria on my podcast for an interview and Gloria is the cousin of one of the victims in the case, Christina or Christy Nelson. And then I also had the chance to have Brandon on where we had a really great episode that went beyond the case and sort of his motivations for writing, his motivations for for covering the case. And one of the things that he really focused on was his two daughters and imagining
00:03:09
Speaker
that something like that could happen or would happen to
The Prime Suspect: Lance Voss
00:03:13
Speaker
his two daughters. And, you know, this case is where we have a prime suspect who is still out there living his best life, right? And, and you know, it so it makes it scary in a different way, I think, than than some other cases. And I had the chance to also have Detective Jackie Nichols on to talk about both the case and missing persons cases in general and cross-churisdictional issues.
00:03:39
Speaker
that show up in this case, I was lucky enough in October of last year, um right before my mom passed away. And, you know, I was planning on canceling the trip and she was she was sick and she was like, Jason, no, go live your life. um But I went to Idaho and Washington to look into this case. Also, the University of Idaho murders where I found that there was crossover between the two in terms of where Brian Coburger went on the day after the world involved some of the sites of these, these killings. But I want to give special credit to Brandon. um You know, Snake River pi Killer podcast is amazing. The team that Brandon has put together is amazing. We're lucky enough that we're going to have two of his researchers, i' Kathy Belbin and Samantha Sawyer on. I'm so excited. I feel since I've heard them on the show, I feel starstruck almost. Yeah.
00:04:39
Speaker
Yeah, they're really amazing. Like, it's it's amazing to watch them work and the things that they're able to the puzzles are able to solve. And then Julia Kelly is joining us for the third episode, which is going to be great um to really look at a profile of the unknown subject.
00:04:57
Speaker
ah that is likely to be responsible for these crimes. And then we're going to be able to match it up and see where it matches and it doesn't with the prime suspect. So i um yeah when I went up there, one of the things that became very clear to me is even though you know these go back decades and decades, it's still very much an active investigation. And the hotel I was staying in in Lewiston was right across from the FBI resident agency field office.
00:05:27
Speaker
um you know and And a lot of FBI investigations that are run out of Salt Lake City and they have these resident offices, you know people were being interviewed there as I was there about the case. So it's very much active.
00:05:44
Speaker
Yeah, it and I also want to say too, um with the Snake River Killer um podcast, ah Brandon, ah and I felt ah a kind of a kinship with him because he is a writer into the literary arts and um and linguistics and all that and and attacks this story from the point of view of a storyteller in a lot of ways.
00:06:06
Speaker
And I can relate to that myself with the way that I also try to look at true crime in terms of that zoom out to look at all the details and you know and stuff like that. so um and the And the clues that he finds along the way and the things that he pays attention to, I can see that he he looks at it from the point of view of ah a writer as we consider all the little elements that go into something. so ah So that really pulled me in and his storytelling is great, the way he weaves in the historical context of what we're talking about. Because as Jason said, this is still very much an active case, but this goes back. We're going back to 1979 at the start of this. And so we're going to be covering 45 years. and I only know how to do that math because I was born that year. So this case has been active since I've been alive.
00:06:55
Speaker
Actually, we're going back to like the 1960s. You're absolutely right. We're not going to start. ah where We are going to roll back a little bit further. You're absolutely right. yeah Um, so, you know, the backstory for me is I came across a case in 2019, about one year after the documentary called Valley, sort of explored the string of murders and disappearances that occurred in what's called the Lewis Clark Valley area. And it's an area of Washington state in Idaho that's not far from, obviously, the borders of those states, but also the Nez press,
00:07:31
Speaker
reservation. It's not even that far from Oregon either. Montana's a little bit of a hike, but it's not that far there. And sort of the centerpiece of the valley is Clarkson, Washington to the west and Loosden, Idaho to the east. They're really sister cities that emerge at the confluence of the Snake River and the Clearwater River. And so the Snake River heads north to south, and then it turns west at clarkston and Clarkson Lewis and Northern Edge, and the clear water heads east from Lewis and Edge. So if you follow the Snake River south for a little under six miles, you pass, it it was amazing drive, you pass these beautiful green mountains and hills,
00:08:20
Speaker
unbelievably blue waters, the Snake River is so wide, it's amazing. um and And you reach this town of Vassot in Washington, where k Christina White lived with her mother, her stepfather and her sister. And, you know, if you going back to sort of my visit in 2003, I mean, 2023, you know, it is the The thing that sticks out to me about it is the vastness of it. Like when I look at it on a Google map, it looks very, very compressed. But you know you realize you're getting this two dimensional image and there are spots where on Google maps, it looks like it's, I don't know.
00:09:09
Speaker
50 feet away but you don't realize that you're like climbing a mountain in between or a giant hill so like something that appears on the map to be 50 feet away is so so far and you know one of the things that jackie was telling me is this part of the reason the
Challenges in the Investigation
00:09:26
Speaker
pacific northwest is like you know for the roaming serial killers, it's like heaven because you know there are ravines that in our lifetimes will never be explored. There are spots that are just very, very difficult to get i get to. um One of the wild things when I was there looking at one of the bridges where that we'll talk about later
00:09:50
Speaker
is I ran into the grocery store that Brian Kohberger supposedly went to after the the day after the University of Idaho ah murders and I'm standing at this like coffee shop and you know, he was caught on tape in the grocery store. There's this shack of a coffee shop.
00:10:09
Speaker
out there and I'm standing in it and I'm like, why on earth would he go here? And then I turn and I'm like, oh, there's the Snake River. Like it was like from the middle of the parking lot, maybe like 70,
00:10:25
Speaker
75, 100 feet away. And I was like, well, I think I know where the knife is. And I think we're never going to find it. Yeah, I think ah anything that goes in there. i was ah It's hit and it's a route. Yeah, we'll we'll cover a little more later, but it's about 300 feet wide in some places. So massive. And you know, I lived ah a lot of people know I lived in Olympia, Washington for about a decade um through the 2000s and um got a lot of experience of that part of the country. And yes, you nailed it perfectly. Jason, the vastness.
00:11:00
Speaker
ah people don't who haven't been out in the American West very much, um it's hard to appreciate it until you're out in it. you know Being myself from the Midwest and having more experience with the Eastern Coast of the United States, ah it's ah it's a whole other experience and you're absolutely right, it's beautiful. um the I've driven I don't know if I drove through this particular part when I drove from Washington to Ohio when we moved out here, um but we did drive through Idaho, um more through Quarter Lane in the Panhandle area. ye
00:11:31
Speaker
yeahp okay yeah so north um and And so, yeah, it's really hard to imagine it until you're there and you get the sense of anything can sort of get lost out here. But also the culture of the Pacific Northwest in general um tends to foster a sense of isolation that's in some senses, you know, like you don't often have the same people up in your face all the time. People have this distance between each other in terms of space and in terms of just general interaction. So it gives people opportunities to i have a lot of privacy to do things that they want to do. Let's just say, yeah um and hide the things they want to hide.
00:12:12
Speaker
That was one of the interesting things for me that I felt when I was in Lewis and and Clarkson, I got the sense that, and I'd always had the sense that like, Pacific Northwest DB Cooper style is a great place to go if you want to disappear. yeah what i But what I realized, or if you wanted to hide, but like what I realized is it's an excellent place to go if you want to be around people, but you also want to disappear. And therefore, if you're a serial killer, if you want something to disappear.
00:12:40
Speaker
and People aren't going to appear too closely at you, you know? I mean, you're going to be able to just kind of be among people and they're not going to like overly look. It won't see you like. Yeah, yeah, it's like true you should drive five miles and be like nowhere. um Yeah, so one of the things I want to say about these episodes is we're not going to turn this into murder mystery, so we're not really hiding the ball on the so on the suspect on this one. So no, you're not.
00:13:07
Speaker
Yeah, and so, you know, one of the things starting with Christina's disappearance, um it was really shocking to Soughton in the region. It was often covered in the local newspaper there, which was called the Lewiston Tribune, which was the area's largest daily newspaper.
00:13:26
Speaker
There'd be no clues in her case until the fall of 1982, when the sort of unimaginable happened upriver. So on a hill in downtown Lewiston, there are three people, Steven Parasol, Christina Nelson, and her step-sister, Brandy Miller, disappeared without a trace from Lewiston.
00:13:51
Speaker
Eventually, detectives determined that they were all likely at the Lewiston Civic Theater at the time of their disappearances. So, ultimately, ah Christina Nelson or Christy, who was 21, Brandy Miller, her stepsister, was 18, and Steven, who was 35,
00:14:13
Speaker
um were all connected to the theater. you know Christina was involved sort of backstage helping out with things. She had been previously been the janitor there. Steven was working and as the janitor at the theater. um Brandy would often go to events there. So you know they were really participating in a part of the performances, whether they're in the audience or they were they were participating in the background or the foreground. So what we'll find is that the first real clue in Christina White's case actually comes from these disappearances that happen upstream in Lewiston.
00:14:54
Speaker
Yeah, and thats that's where it becomes difficult in some ways to quickly sum up this case because of we start with this disappearance of Christina White in 1979, and then it's this series of murders that happens later, and then how we're able to sort of work back. And, you know, Christina's case sort of becomes that linchpin that you can sort of unravel the mystery ah From there and normally investigators at the time wouldn't have made this connection between the disappearance of a 12 year old girl, you know, many miles away or, you know, and month miles away ah with the disappearances of three people in their 20s and 30s. But the disappearances of them all had one thing in common.
00:15:38
Speaker
And the same man whose house Christina was going to visit, ah he was working at the Lewiston Civic Theater on the night that Brandi, Christy, and Steven disappeared. He was, at the time of Christina's disappearance, the boyfriend of her friend, Rose's, mother. ah And her mother's name was Patricia Brennan.
00:16:00
Speaker
And Brennan was the granddaughter of Walter Brennan, the renowned American actor and singer who made a fortune in the real estate industry. And Patricia's boyfriend and the man who was working at the Lewiston Theater was a man named Lance Voss.
00:16:16
Speaker
and This connection would lead investigators to take another look at the 1981 murder of a 22-year-old University of Idaho senior named Kristen Noel David, whose dismembered body was found in the bags off the Red Wolf Bridge on the Snake River across from downtown Clarkston, Washington.
00:16:37
Speaker
Kristen also is known to have worked at the theater helping with costumes, so this is adding up. um as As you're seeing, it sounds like we're running from one name into another.
Lance Voss: Connections and Suspicions
00:16:48
Speaker
And that's one dead woman and four missing people, all tangentially or directly connected to Lance Voss.
00:16:57
Speaker
And thanks to people like Lewiston Detective Don Schofler and O'Soten Sheriff's Office Detective Jackie Nichols and Christy's cousin Gloria Crow-Boberts, there would be even more disappearances and murders that would tie back to Voss, and we're going to be talking about a lot of that.
00:17:13
Speaker
um But that did not mean that there were not other suspects because this was, again, the early 80s, late 70s, early 80s. So there were a lot of people active around this time and in this region, and you know we're going to root through all of that too. um But possible other suspects would include ah Harry Hanman and Otis Toole, who is the partner in crime to the famed Henry Lee Lucas Drifter Killer.
00:17:37
Speaker
um The serial killers, all they were they traveled all over the place throughout the area. So they were strong prime suspects at the time. But I'm just going to go ahead and kill that spoiler for you. Henry Lee Lucas confessed to literally every murder that ever happened um in order to bolster his celebrity. and And so nothing he confesses to should really be considered you know on its face.
00:18:00
Speaker
That's so true. the um And you know, like, if it isn't crazy enough already, so we have three people who disappeared from the Civic Theater and we'll get into, you know, what we find out about that. We've got Christina White, who's disappeared from a Soten.
00:18:19
Speaker
um And we now have Kristin Noel David, whose body's found in the water in garbage bags and the red at the Red Wolf Crossing Bridge in Clarkson. Years later, Kristi's cousin,
00:18:37
Speaker
ah Gloria Crowbowbirds uncovered some clues that put vo Voss as the last person to see Diane Taylor, an eight-year-old who was kidnapped and murdered in 1963 in Chicago. I gotta tell you, Gloria is amazing.
00:18:54
Speaker
yeah She is a dogged investigator. She has a resilience. So, you know, she told me when she figured out the connection, like not necessarily. She had not honed in on him entirely, but knew Diane Taylor was murdered in his neighborhood. She called the Chicago Police Department. I was like, how did you get anyone in the Chicago Police Department? She's like, I just called the first precinct.
00:19:18
Speaker
I could find in the phone book and it was called the first precinct. And um and so so she ended up calling them and it led to the exhumation of Diane, so. Wow. Lance Voss was 15 at the time. He was working as a camp counselor at the YMCA where Diane was a day student and witnesses, two boys would come forward to say that Lance was the last person ah to see her.
00:19:47
Speaker
Um, you know, I remember having a conversation last year. I was on the prosecutor's podcast listeners episode right after I got back from, um, right after I got back from Lewis and, and I was telling Brett, he was like, what are you doing in Idaho and that episode? Oh, know I was looking into a case and it was this case. And so I ran by him like, here are all the bodies connected to this point. And he was like, you know, there becomes a point where enough, uh, disappeared or dead bodies end up near you mere presence doesn't work as an excuse anymore.
00:20:17
Speaker
And I think like you know when you're the last person so far in this story to see five missing or murdered people, it really does start to move from that legal concept of your presence into the neighborhood of some pretty strong circumstantial evidence. so much So I'm going to go ahead and walk you guys through the timeline.
00:20:37
Speaker
um You know, it's the day of the Soughton County Fair, which is a big deal in that community. um Then after spending the morning with her mom and sister at a parade downtown, Christina White left her house sometime after 1 p.m. on April 28, 1979. She was going to go see her classmate and friend, Rose Clarnu, who lived about a two-minute bicycle ride away.
00:21:06
Speaker
You know from there i did the walk you go down the hill you take a quick left you know it would not be a long trip on a bike i'm so rose shared a home at five oh three second street with her mother patricia brennan.
00:21:22
Speaker
her 10-year-old brother Clint and Patricia's boyfriend Lance Voss. So Christina was a frequent presence at the house. um Lance also stayed at the house, but he also owned a vacant home at 819 Third Street, which is up the hill, essentially up the hill one block. But very close to Christina's house. So you would have had to pass Lance's second house to get to either of those houses. I mean, there were other ways to go, but it would be the fastest way to go. So you've got Rose and her family, including Lance at the time, living at one house, then the empty house on 3rd Street.
00:22:09
Speaker
And Christina's plan for that day was to, after you know they had gone to the parade with her mom and her sister, um she was going to go to Rose's house to help Rose get her horse ready for the fair. The horse was normally stabled at a location about six miles away, and we'll get back to that in a second.
00:22:29
Speaker
um And the question that a lot of people had was, would an adult have been involved at this point in sort of transporting the kids there um to prepare the horse? It's hard to say. You know, this is kind of, um a lot of people have conflicting memories about this particular moment um for a lot of different reasons, and we'll cover that as well. There was the parade earlier that day, which the horse would have participated in. so By the time Christina arrived a little after one pm it seems likely that the horse was probably already back at roses house if anything and ready to be taken to the fairgrounds for the other events that were gonna be happening that day. ah Either way the question of whether there were adults at the home is again one of the many elements of this case still shrouded in mystery and as is what transpired.
00:23:16
Speaker
over the couple of hours that followed her arrival. um What most people believe happened was that around 2.30 p.m. ah Christina called her mother, Betty Imager. Betty and her husband Mick ah lived with Christina in the house um on the hill on Jefferson Street. ah And ah Betty had seen her at the Brennan Voss home about an hour and a half earlier.
00:23:39
Speaker
um But at 2.30 PM, Christina called her mom to say that she wasn't feeling well, and she wanted her to come pick her up. um Betty, who did not own a car, ah told Christina to rest, to lie down and to put ah put a moist towel on her neck, and then when she felt better, to return home. And I also want to say too, on the documentary, I think it was Confluence, Betty was interviewed for that. And you can find that documentary, by the way, on Amazon Prime.
00:24:06
Speaker
She ah stated that k Christina was often very sensitive to the heat. and it was It was pretty warm that day, but she'd been out walking around going to the fair. and you know Even if it's a little warm, ah you're you're just going to feel it more, especially when you're around her age at 12 years old, I think. so this This was something that didn't really surprise her is what I'm getting at. Yeah. No, that makes makes complete complete sense to me. and It sounds like you know This is your average day and it's hard for me to describe how idealic and beautiful this town is like from up the hill at ah Christina's house. um You can see down down the hill into this beautiful town all the way
00:24:52
Speaker
into the Snake River, which is just unbelievably beautiful. um This is Christina.
Exploring Christina's Final Days
00:25:00
Speaker
um for For those of you who are interested and who are on YouTube and seeing this part live, this was Christina White right around um that time. And this is a view from downtown Soten out into the Snake River. And you can see how vast and wide it is.
00:25:19
Speaker
And it looks like that's a small hill on the other side. It is no small hill. yeah yeah Many hills like that. And they're enormous. And this is another view from the park ah in the Souten. And this is another beautiful one from the park in the Souten.
00:25:37
Speaker
um Yeah, it is just an idyllic, ah gorgeous gorgeous town in a gorgeous place. And if you want to sort of like place it in the region, you can see from this map, if you go to the top on the left, you can see there's Clarkston.
00:25:58
Speaker
Washington, that is that sort of like gray area. And then Lewiston, Idaho is right beside it. And if you follow the Snake River south toward the bottom of the map, there's a soten. So a soten is a small town, but it but you know, in the region, there are not a lot of other large places. i It's sort of like a cluster surrounded by, um, it's a lot like Oregon. I wanted to say too, when and we were talking about the geography, um, my husband's from Oregon and he has family there. It's very much the same way. You just have vastness with very few even freeways cutting through. Um, and, uh, and just like clusters of towns, just like
00:26:40
Speaker
just here and there with just nothing in between them so that's just what it strikes me is what this area is is that you have this nice populist um a populated area but there's not a whole lot outside of it for many you know many miles.
00:26:54
Speaker
So this is just one of the weirdest parts of the story to me. When I went to a Soten, it took about seven minutes to walk from the house where Christina lived with Betty, her mom. Google Maps clocks it at an 11 minute walk. Some of the other people I know who have been there clock it a little closer to the 11 minute walk.
00:27:14
Speaker
um you know Going downhill, it wasn't that hard, but it is a the hill's a bit of a hike. And in several news accounts, people report that Christina's mom, Betty, um said she didn't go get Christina because of a lack of a car. She didn't have a car at the time. But barring something that I don't know that explains it, I had a real hard time understanding what the real reason Betty didn't go down the hill to get Christina was.
00:27:43
Speaker
once um once she knew that Christina was sick. And it made me wonder whether that call ever happened, whether ah she ever really talked to Christina, but it was confirmed by Clint, one of the children, Rose's younger brother, who was in the house. So it was a bit of a mystery for me what happened there.
00:28:09
Speaker
You know, and I think that's one of the problems in missing persons cases in general, no one's really thinking about every little detail until after the person is gone. And, you know,
00:28:22
Speaker
One of the Snake River Killer researchers, Samantha Sawyer, who I think is really amazing, um she and you're going to hear from her in the next episode, she pointed out to me that the most likely reason Betty wasn't able to pick up Christina may have been because Betty had just put Christina's sister, Carlin, down for a nap.
00:28:44
Speaker
and Betty probably didn't want to wait Carlin or leave a sleeping toddler unattended because if she had woken Carlin and taken her, she would have to put her in the shoulder or something else and taken her down the hill. And so this makes a lot of sense to me, um particularly as ah Samantha pointed out, Betty would have been going down an incline and then back up an incline with a sick child and a little child. So, yeah. And and if she thought that ah Christina was just a little overheated and just needed to rest a little bit, I mean, I could see as a as a mom of ah who rate who's raised a couple kids and remembers when they were about that age and at a 12 years old, I think I would have
00:29:29
Speaker
i could I could see that. That doesn't sound like something that I i would have um not done myself. It would have just said, just rest up and, you know, see if you can walk home if you can't, you know, give me a call, but you just want to give the kid a chance to kind of feel a little better and and whatnot. And it's a small town and that's the thing. Everybody will tell you this kind of stuff just never happened around here. This was a very safe community. So um you even more reason to understand um why, you know, Betty didn't just get right up and run down there.
00:29:59
Speaker
Yeah, less worried, right? So we don't really know if any adults were at the house with Clint and Christina. You know, based on Clint's account, i it was only he and Christina that were at the house.
00:30:16
Speaker
um There's some other accounts that you know create some conflicts with that that we'll hear, but we're pretty sure that two facts are probably true. Christina was there, Clint was there. Who else may have been there? Harder to tell. So um Detective Nichols told me that the missing report person's reports during the time weren't as detailed as they are now.
00:30:39
Speaker
and This case was no exception. She said a lot of the interviews to figure out what had happened that day didn't happen for years. So what we have a good idea about is that Christina was going there to see Rose and that they were going to prepare Rose's horse for the fair at Flynn Farm about six miles away. And we don't know where how Christina got the idea from Rose to do this, but we do know from an account from Rose's brother, Clint, that he was also there and that he said at least at least later that Rose was not there. So we don't know whether Patricia Brennan or Lance Voss were there or where they were in the moment
00:31:26
Speaker
Yeah, knowing he was there was difficult, and I was also curious um as to Rose as well, like, was Rose at the house? um But there was, I think it was, yeah, Clint had said that she had gone ahead ah to do something. So basically, Christina showed up. Rose wasn't there. She wasn't feeling too good. um But it might be helpful to step back and just sort of talk about the general timeline of the fair and see what we can kind of piece together and ah and according to what Betty and k Christina's friends would later say.
00:31:55
Speaker
So the fair, again, it was a huge deal in town um and that was supposed to start at 1030 in the morning, a few miles away on the high ground in this canyon community of about a thousand people. ah Drew a lot of people from the region included fair booths, carnival rides, local showings of horses, livestock, 4-H stuff, um great fair stuff.
00:32:17
Speaker
um Betty would later say that she and her two daughters, Christina and Carlin, ah left the house at 10 AM to go to the fair and do the parade. um Betty says that she and Carlin were on foot and Christina went ahead on her 10 speed bike.
00:32:33
Speaker
And according to the Snake River Killer podcast, the fair started with the parade at Second Street, which was near um both Lance Voss's unoccupied house and the street where Voss lived with Patricia Rose and Clint. The podcast also said that they had found many accounts that suggested the parade wrapped up around 1130. And they say Christina, Carlin, and Betty ah walked down to a park to have lunch.
00:32:59
Speaker
um And then after that, Betty and Carlin walked back up ah to their house, ah passing 2nd Street, where they were going to meet a family friend who was going to give them a car ride somewhere. So that it's unclear where, but at this point, Christina splits off from mom and little sis.
00:33:17
Speaker
and um And I think it's important. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, you know, some of it is, ah you know, I think, you know, Betty did, ah you know, in the documentaries and other pieces, share her version of the stories. You know, what I've kind of picked up, it sounds like she was going at some point to run errands, but also needed Carlin to take a nap. So.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. and And again, we're talking about a very capable 12-year-old girl on a bicycle, ah pretty independent. um And especially, again, in 1979, by the time you're 12 years old, you're very independent. and As a child of the 80s myself, I was babysitting by the time I was her age. So ah you have a lot of responsibilities. You're trusted with a lot of things as as someone that age back in those days. And so, again, none of this is really unusual ah to anybody who grew up in this period, and especially in a small town.
00:34:12
Speaker
um but ah baly and And one thing, Alison, that's worth noting is where if they came up Jefferson Street to go back to the house who and Christina turned on to the street that Rose lived on, they would have only been separated for about two blocks. So Christina was not going on her own for very Right. yeah You're just going down the street. Yeah, down the street. Even by 2020 floor standards, that's to me, you know, even by today's standards to be totally acceptable, ah this dynamic, I can just feel the security that this mom feels in this moment.
00:34:52
Speaker
um And she, you know, Betty, she did say in the documentary Confluence that when she, the family friend and Carlin drove down Jefferson Street, she took a left on second and passed Rose's house and they saw Christina on the porch and they all waved at each other. And that was the last time Betty saw her daughter.
00:35:10
Speaker
and Many people considered Christina and Rose to be best friends. and They loved hanging out. They you know would walk across the river, do arts and crafts together, horseback riding. um People in town did report that Patricia Rose's mom had been ah single, but she had recently started dating Lance Voss, who had recently moved to town.
00:35:33
Speaker
So at about 2 PM, Betty says she was back at her house on Jefferson Street. Betty said that Carlin had an afternoon nap and soon after Christina called to say she was sick. And that's when Betty gave her the advice to put the wet towel around her neck thinking that Christina was simply suffering from heat exhaustion. Again, she was kind of prone to that. um Betty says in confluence that she told Christina that if she was not feeling better, she should walk to the end of the block.
00:35:59
Speaker
on 2nd Street, which would have been right in front of Lance Boss's unoccupied house. Betty said that she could see Christina and would walk ah down the hill to get her and help her back up the hill.
00:36:14
Speaker
from reports, however, according to a February 22nd, 1980 article on the Lewiston Tribune that some people thought they saw Christina as late as 10 p.m. on April 28th that day at the Carnival. So again, some conflicting reports and there are even more conflicting information here, as Jason will tell you.
00:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, we've got a detailed description. Several people, Clint, ah Betty, others who saw k Christina that day, they knew she was wearing a tan and pink striped shirt, blue jeans, red tennis shoes, and a 10 speed white.
00:36:50
Speaker
And this was a cool bike, by the way. This bike stuck out. Like, this was, you know, again, 1979, if you had a cool bike, you were you were in, right? And this was a cool bike. It was more like a boy's bike. It was big for her, but she could ride the heck out of it. So she stood out with that bike.
00:37:06
Speaker
So you know for me, you know in in thinking about this, like when I first got to a certain, because I had heard about a lot of these things and I i got there and I visited and some things just felt like they didn't make any sense to me. sort of So Betty's house, which I think I have, I do have an image of, um Betty's house is set back off the road. And I could not fathom for me how you could see down the street, because it's got a really big front yard, how she would have seen Christina.
00:37:43
Speaker
And, you know, she would have had to walk in my mind to the end of her, beyond her driveway, to see the corner where Voss's house was.
00:37:56
Speaker
um You know, that corner that he's on, she would have seen down there to to to where Christina was. And so, you know, one really interesting thing that Betty recalls Christina said on the call was that nobody was home. And I don't know if it meant no adults were home or nobody was home but Clint.
00:38:19
Speaker
um and And maybe that was that was a part of, i you know, so some of this may have been going into Betty's thinking about, and like Sam pointed out, I'll let Carlin sleep a little bit, then I'll head down there, and i and in that she's essentially just asking Christina to meet her halfway. um And that she had planned to go down there for that, so.
00:38:44
Speaker
And I could see Christina saying nobody was home if, say, the person she was intending to see when she got there was not there. And so in a kid's mind, you're going to make that that shorthand, um which then tells me, yeah, Rose wasn't there. And it makes me question any any any account later on that she was. um But ah Clint would later, and that Clint again being Rose's brother who was there at the house, ah would later tell the host of the Snake River Killer podcast, Brandon Schrand, that he remembers getting Christina a damp washcloth and her sitting out on the house's porch. There are then conflicting reports about who else was home again. um Betty assumed that Christina felt better when she did not return home or call back.
00:39:30
Speaker
But Betty decided to go to the fair um to find Christina there. And it was about a 22 minute walk or about a nine minute drive or ah roughly 1.2 miles away. um And depending on which way she went and it would have taken her right past where Christina was lying down on the porch if she were in fact there.
00:39:54
Speaker
But Betty did not find Christina at the fair. ah Classmates ah there told Betty they last saw her on the way home on her bike. The bike was a new 10 speed, ah possibly a Schwinn brand with a basket on the front and a distinctive three inch wing nuts on the front wheels. So again, this was like um a monster bike, especially for a 12 year old kid. It was reported by some that the bike had a license plate on it that said a Soten 128.
00:40:23
Speaker
Although others did not recall the plate, there are some that did. ah Clint later said that the license plate had been a gift from her mother's boyfriend, Lance Voss. That night, Betty called authorities for help finding her missing daughter. The people of the town, many of whom were at the fairgrounds during the day, and the sheriff's house, they began searching ah for k Christina.
00:40:46
Speaker
We have Betty, Lance, and others who were part of this massive search across the Soughton, its hills along the Snake River, ah which again, this river runs more than 300 feet wide in places near Soughton. Christina's father, her biological father, Gary White, who lived 245 miles south in Payette, Idaho, ah he would also join the search.
Family and Witness Accounts
00:41:09
Speaker
Oh, and by the way, um Gary and Betty divorced back in 1968. So they've been divorced pretty much her entire, you know, Christina's entire life. um Also, Betty was a housewife as well as a part-time student, full-time employee at their Regional Recycling Incorporated Center in Lewiston. Gary, at that time, was a car salesman who owned a business operating out of Oregon at the time. So just a little background on Christina's parents, because I know a lot of people question or are going to have questions about them.
00:41:39
Speaker
The lewis Lewiston Tribune would later report that searches by plane and ground were made of the area for several days. And they even called in a psychic ah for the case. And a girl reportedly matching Christina's description was spotted on Bridge Street nearby in nearby Clarkston, Washington. But the sheriff's office in Clarkston investigated and determined it was someone else. So it was if Christina White had vanished.
00:42:05
Speaker
12 years old, she was gone. And again, in the roughly 45 years since, she has never been seen. Yeah. And so Betty says in the Confluence documentary that she called friends, acquaintances and neighbors when Christina didn't return home. She said that she and her husband, Mick, it was Mick Iminger was his name, walked the streets looking for Christina or her bike.
00:42:30
Speaker
um They asked the MC at the fairgrounds to make an announcement in the case, just in case k Christina had gone there. Close to midnight, they filed their missing persons report. And Clint told the Snake River Killer podcast that only he was at the house when Christina arrived. He said that Rose had left for trail classes.
00:42:52
Speaker
um she had for horseback riding that day. So it creates a bit of a mystery why Christina would have gone there and she would have gone there at that time. You know, Clint told Christina, at least according to Clint, that he thought Rose would be back in about an hour. You know, I listened to the audio of the call or or of the interview. He said an hour or that he wasn't sure when. But at some point, ah Clint said to Christina or Christina asked ah Clint, at least according to Clint, if she if she could use the phone to call her mom. And so waiting for Rose, in my mind, could sort of explain why Christina was in the front yard when her mom drove by. you know Clint said that when Christina asked to use the phone, he offered to let her come in the house to get cool.
00:43:44
Speaker
And he describes giving her a washcloth that he dampened with water. I think he said it was a pink washcloth. But his version of events is different than Betty's because Clint says Christina's mom told her to wait on the front porch of the house and that she would be there in five minutes. um But Gloria said that she spoke to Clint in 2009 and he said that he wasn't home alone.
00:44:12
Speaker
And she said that Clint told her no one else was inside the house, so technically true that no one else was home, but that Lance Voss was in the backyard bathing his family's dogs. And another interesting thing too is that the police department says that Lance told them that he was the one who gave Christina a washcloth.
00:44:43
Speaker
These guys cannot get their story straight. you know And but I want to remind people that, ah again, Clint at this time was 10 years old. So his his own memories are going to be a little all over the place in some instances, but there's some indication that they could have been influenced in some way.
00:45:04
Speaker
um As well as that's that's kind of how i think why why have these very wildly differing stories over the years if you're not being fed information. Right i mean and in and memory is a it's a fragile thing it is you know it can get twisted people can.
00:45:22
Speaker
recall different things and you can incorporate into your memory. But you always have to worry when, you know, memories sort of point toward different narratives. And the fact that Lance told the police that he was the one who gave Christina the washcloth. Right. There's no reason to say that unless Lance was trying to protect someone else. um But in either version of events, like there are multiple places where Christina could come in contact with Lance Voss on the way home.
00:45:51
Speaker
you know, at Rose and Clint's house, it could have been at the corner or in between at the corner or on the street where Lance's empty house was, that she would have had to pass. um You know, so were we're around like three p.m. when Christina's mom finally shows up at their house to say, hey, I can't find um I can't find ah Christina. And so Detective Nichols, who's interviewed most of the major players in the case, said she's fairly confident that Rose was there at the house, but less sure that Lance Vlas was. So that's another interesting twist to the whole story and the conflicting account.
00:46:38
Speaker
Do you feel, having walked this, that it's very likely that if Christina were going to, do as her mother ah ah reportedly said, go to the end of the block, is would she have passed that empty house then um on on the way to doing that? Easily, yes. okay Okay. These blocks are very, very small as blocks go. um you know A New York City block may be like seven or eight of these.
00:47:05
Speaker
Oh, for sure. So they're very, very, very, very small. And it's a relatively short distance ah that anyone's traveling. So I am. You know, one one thing about all the stories that sort of stands out to me that has me leaning toward the fact that Rose was in fact home is one Christina believed that Rose was home. Yeah.
00:47:34
Speaker
She told Betty that if we're we're to believe that, and there's no reason not to believe that. But the thing that really sort of weighs on me that Rose was probably there, whether she remembers it or not, is that it was the day of the fair. It doesn't make any sense to me that she would be at horseback riding.
00:47:54
Speaker
ah That's a good point. On the day of the fair, because where's the teacher going to be at the fair and where and Rose's horse was supposed to be on display at the fair. So but maybe Rose is gone. But that story of her being at courses just doesn't ring true to me, which causes me to question everything that Clint says about. Yeah.
00:48:20
Speaker
I would think too, you know if it was the day of the fair if Rose was anywhere and she wasn't home, she was going to be at or around the fairgrounds. like you know so um and and you know I did ask ah Jason, like do we have Rose's account of this? And she hasn't really spoken um much ah publicly.
00:48:42
Speaker
Well, and and one of the things that's also really sort of like interesting about that entire thing in the interview that Clint does with the Snake River Killer podcast, he is constantly trying to point toward other people.
00:48:58
Speaker
Like you can tell he's pointing toward Betty, k Christina's mom, potentially lying. He's pointing toward her husband. He's pointing in every direction he can. and And later in the story, when we get to the civic theater part of it, you're going to see Clint is doing the exact same thing. He's pointing to everyone else other than um And so it really makes me question his version of the events. And Betty's story has been pretty consistent from Confluence um in 2011. When I went and I looked at newspaper articles in the Tribune from the 1970s, pretty consistent story. um Consistent story about what happened that day, consistent story about how she felt afterwards.
00:49:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah. ah Betty just seems steady. Steady Betty. Honestly, ah that was the the thing I got from her um was believability. um She wasn't tripping any of my censors. I know that sounds like a trust me bro source, but um yeah. um But there were no signs of Christina for um ah until several weeks later. And this this part just, ugh, okay.
00:50:10
Speaker
um So at the farm, at Flynn Farm, where the horse was being stabled, where Rosa's horse was stabled, when where they were supposed to go that day, according to Christina, um they found a stack of her homework papers, Christina's homework papers, along with those of a classmate named Molly. They were found in a horse trough at Flynn Farm, which again was about miles away from where k christina was last seen at the brennan vos house and remember this is where um rose kept her horse where christina had reportedly been intending to go um with rose but it had been unclear if that trip had even happened remember due to the timeline of events
00:50:54
Speaker
The papers were found at the edge of the Flynn property and had been placed neatly on a wood box. They weren't just scattered around or you know just tossed anywhere. They were just laid there. And imagine that if they had been there long, the wind could have picked them up, but that had didn't happen either. um Carl Flynn, one of the owners of the property, said he believed that the notes were placed ah They're close to that ah date ah that they were found because they weren't disturbed, as as I said, and he passed by that location multiple times a week. ah Carl says that the homework papers were found within a week of Christina's disappearance, but some records do suggest that it was later.
00:51:36
Speaker
And so anyway, I just find this so baffling ah that because we have no indication that ah she had a bag, that Christina had a bag with her that would contain homework papers. um And I also just wonder like, how would anybody get hold of them to plant them there? Anybody who'd want to like, misdirect investigators or something like that, how would they have gotten, how would Voss?
00:52:01
Speaker
have gotten hold of these papers. Who knows? This is just such a weird little mysterious element here. um But 34 days later, in a June 1st article published in the Lewiston Tribune across the river in Idaho, the writer noted that Betty was beginning to discount several possibilities for what happened to her daughter. ah She told the reporter that she did not believe that Christina had run away because if she was free to communicate, she would have contacted relatives,
00:52:29
Speaker
um She also said that she was doubtful that Christina had been thrown into the Snake River because bodies that had been in the river last time usually surface and are you know could be recovered. um Betty and her husband ah Mick told the reporter that they'd even followed a traveling reineers show carnival ah that had been nearby to several cities without finding a trace or a clue about Christina.
00:52:55
Speaker
In the article, Betty told the reporter that christina that after Christina had called, she walked down to an agreed upon meeting site about an hour later, but did not find her daughter. Although later accounts would question that timing, Betty told the reporter that she did not believe Christina, who went to a Lutheran church regularly, had been kidnapped by a religious cult, a rumor that had been spreading. And of course, in this part of the country, there are there are some cults around. Let's be let's be clear, but this doesn't seem very likely.
00:53:24
Speaker
And there was a there was an active one in the area that they did look into, but no clue. It was just like, yeah. Yeah, that's a good place for cults to hang out. They can have their little compound and, you know, be happy. Cult, white supremacist. Oh, yeah. um Betty noted that Christina had two summer camping trips planned and had planned to spend a month with her father. And she was also signed up to try out for baseball. So she was excited about a lot of things. She she wouldn't have run away. She had a lot to look forward to. ah The article also mentions that Christina's father ah even flew a helicopter at a low level to try to spot an abandoned bicycle.
00:54:01
Speaker
He also offered $1,000 reward, which is about $4,300 in today's money. um But they just don't, you know, Betty said, we just don't know what to do next except to keep praying. I just can't imagine what they were going through. um All the suggestions in the articles pointed to any and everyone else other than what FBI statistics tell us is true, that when a child disappears for a long period of time and does not end up in an accident,
00:54:29
Speaker
The kidnapper is likely to be ah someone ah close to everyone, so ah someone that the child knows, perhaps. And the homework papers are really fascinating to me because she could have left them somewhere, um but they point to a couple things, right? Did she go home?
00:54:49
Speaker
you know, while her mom was out looking for her, did she somehow end up back at her house? Had they been left at a previous time ah somewhere, right, else? aye But also, I mean, they point to a couple different things. They point to potentially her family's involvement.
00:55:10
Speaker
In the the abduction, they point to the Flynn family as potentially having something to do with it. But I think the important thing to put a fine point on about where her homework was found.
00:55:26
Speaker
is that it's where Rose kept her horse. What are the odds of that? It was not far from physically on the farm from where the barn was, where Rose's horse was.
00:55:41
Speaker
so it's And Christina had been there with Rose, not in the last week or so, but we know there that we know another thing too, that another girl's homework was in there too, Christina's friend's homework. So you know just the question of how and why that homework would have ended up there other than whoever is responsible for her disappearance, deliberately putting it there either to throw investigators off or point investigators in their direction but not directly. um You know, those are the things inquiring inquiring minds want to know. Indeed.
00:56:30
Speaker
I, yeah, I don't even have, I mean, honestly, I'll be turning that one in my head around for quite a while, trying to figure it out. You know, as we talk about, um, you know, the kids and, you know, a lot of kids back in those days, they hung out together constantly, you know, usually you're kicked out of the house in the morning, you're outside all day, you're playing with your friends, you're with your friends at school, you know, and all this. So I do wonder too, with the homework, um, if there might've been an instance of, could Rose have had some of i
00:57:01
Speaker
Kristina's old homework papers and her things. you know If we're looking to tie Voss to this, um that's just a possibility. if they it Maybe Rose had them in her backpack or or something. Maybe they did homework together or they were in classes together, so maybe they had some of each other's papers. I mean, that that can happen um you know with among school kids, so I wonder if there might have been something there. But um but it's just interesting to consider a lot of the different angles
Modern Criminology's Impact
00:57:27
Speaker
here. so With what we now know about behavioral science and criminology, you know, one of the really interesting things that, and one of the cool things we're going to, we actually found as we were looking into this, a profile that was built
00:57:46
Speaker
um people think they're not sure. It's on yellow notebook paper ah typed out. They're not sure if it's a FBI profile, but it's a profile of the suspect. um but But one of the things that Detective Nicole says that if she had been on that case on the first day with modern, what modern law enforcement knows about criminals and abductions, in in part because people want to look everywhere other than close to home. They want to look at that during that time at like colds. So you know what what we didn't necessarily always call serial killers then but serial killers. They didn't want to look in their neighborhood. They didn't want to look in parents homes but she says
00:58:31
Speaker
that she would have been able to get a search warrant in the first day for that second for that empty house. um Unfortunately, it's it's not something you can all of a sudden do now because there's this legal principle that if you don't act on probable cause, it becomes spoiled and you can no longer use that probable cause without discovering some new piece of information.
00:58:54
Speaker
I see. So you know the evidence is kind of pointing in a couple directions. It's pointing toward Christina's home in reality and also pointing toward um the Voss family connection. And you know the evidence pointing in the direction of Voss are reports that he was both at home where he lived with Patricia Rose and Clint.
00:59:17
Speaker
and at the fair during the day when Christina went missing. And he even ah he told people that he was a part of the search. He told Betty and he told others that he was, you know, he paints this picture of himself riding on horseback looking for Christina. You know, the focus of the initial investigation is finding Christina. But, you know, the investigators were focused on like I said, everything else. Let's look into the carnival workers. um But eventually they started to focus a little closer to home and people started focusing, you know, I mean, and and to the extent that Christina's family, her father and her mother actually traveled across the state following the carnival to see if she had snuck into the bottom of um some kind of carnival thing. But eventually the investigation starts to focus a little closer to home.
01:00:17
Speaker
It's interesting to the the whole Carnival Worker angle. It points to and you know to your point about um you know investigators or people rather in the town like looking outside like it looking at an
Carnival Workers and Psychics: Investigative Leads
01:00:29
Speaker
outsider. It had to be an outsider that did this this couldn't have been one of us or one of ours. you know i think That's like the first instinct of a lot of people is that who came into our town and took our kid um or hurt one of our people um This reminds me a little bit too when you and I covered the Catherine and Sheila Lyon case, um the and Lloyd Lee Welch, who himself was a carnival worker and allowed him to sort of drift and and avoid detection in a lot of the crimes that he did at the time, at least a lot of the petty crimes um that that he was up to at that time. um It's interesting though because carnival workers
01:01:07
Speaker
While you know we have the the cultural stereotype of the carny and the the sort of ah the the drifter hobo type that kind of you know just prowls the streets and looks for trouble, and that that tends to be, again, the stereotype. They're often not as likely a suspect in these things as as you might think, mostly because they're working long hours in very unfamiliar areas. And so certain crimes aren't going to be as likely. there There may be crimes, just not maybe a crime like this. While drifters are absolutely a thing, their crimes tend to look a little different ah from this. They're not going to know whether they're in a heavily trafficked area for either kidnapping or dumping bodies. um So I personally feel that if it had been a person unfamiliar with the area, we might've been more likely to find Christina at the end of all of this. You know what I mean? That's a good point.
01:01:58
Speaker
but It would take somebody familiar, I think, with the area to make that disappear. And even the ebbs and flow of the fair itself, right? Yeah, for sure. You know, so law enforcement eventually rules out carnival workers, but and without not without law enforcement themselves also following them state to state searching for clues.
01:02:21
Speaker
Yeah, they they went down that rabbit hole. You know, they they did because, I mean, there're there's always a good reason to look at unfamiliar elements in the area and see if there's anything to do with that. um But in February of 1980, Christina's family asked the Soughton County Sheriff's Office to use the services of a nationally known psychic.
01:02:41
Speaker
ah So, Mayor Ari Olsen backed the idea of bringing in Dorothy Allison, not to be confused with this Allison, a psychic based out of Nutley, New Jersey. ah She had been in the news that year for, according to an Associated Press article ah published in the Journal and Courier of Lafayette, Indiana, ah she had led police in New York, New Jersey to find the body of a 16-year-old teenage boy through a vision that she had ah Two years earlier, she supposedly helped the New York Police Department find the body of a 14 year old teenage girl on Staten Island using a similar method. and In that case, the girl's body was found in a 55 gallon oil drum at the bottom of a 12 foot shaft ah that fit the psychics description.
01:03:26
Speaker
So Dorothy said she would refuse to take money from families looking for their missing children, but she also refused to work on cases without approval from law enforcement agencies. agencies She sounds like a a real business-minded kind of psychic. As far as you know whatever you think about psychics goes, um she certainly took the job very seriously. The Assoc County ah commissioners ah publicly pressured Sheriff ah hip Herbert Reeves to use this psychic.
01:03:55
Speaker
um But the Sheriff Reeves refused, even though, as Mick Imager, Christina's stepfather, said, ah the family offered to pay for her travel to Esoten County. ah What Mick may or may not have known at the time, though, is that ah he himself was a prime suspect in this. As investigators began to look a little closer to home, because obviously you're going to look at you know family as well. um Eventually, sheriff's re Sheriff Reeves did cave and brought Dorothy Allison ah in to Soughton in March of 1980 and July of 1980 to look into Christina's disappearance and also that of a woman ah missing in Lewiston in 1976.
01:04:37
Speaker
ah She would report that she got the feel of the area where Christina disappeared, but she apparently picked up no other vibes. She said she kept seeing doubles of things. The name Williams kept popping up and she saw people that could have been dressed as searchers.
01:04:53
Speaker
and The name Williams led to another search of the Snake River Beach and campground named after Edward Williams, a Nez-Pence County, Idaho legislator. On the anniversary of k Christina's disappearance, Betty ah and Mick both declined to attend the fair and instead visited relatives in Nez-Pence County. While Gary, Christina's biological father, ah he did not go as well and instead went mining in the mountains near Pence, Idaho.
01:05:23
Speaker
I'm mick told a reporter from the list in tribune a few days before the fair i hope all parents remember to keep their eyes on their children. And the next year on july twenty first nineteen eighty one and a certain lance voss married patricia brennan becoming clinton roses stepfather.
01:05:42
Speaker
In October of that year, Voss lost an election to the Assoten County Council and the entire family then moved that month from Assoten to Clarkston, Washington. And during this time period, Voss begins posting curious classified advertisements in the local newspaper, including an apparent reference to Christina White's birthday. And here is where things really start to get wild. Yeah. So, yeah k Christina's aim didn't make the news much again until a bombshell news conference that happened in May of 1984. In that news conference, Lewiston Police Chief Rodney Fredrickson said law enforcement had developed a quote, strong suspect in the disappearance of two women in Lewiston.
01:06:30
Speaker
But in that article, he made allusions to Christina and others.
Connecting Cases: Kristen Noel David
01:06:35
Speaker
So on June 26, 1981, two years after Christina disappears, Kristen Noel David, a 22-year-old senior at the University of Idaho, left for a 32-mile bicycle ride south to Clarkson, Washington, from Moscow, Washington, where she had been attending school.
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Speaker
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01:07:40
Speaker
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01:07:56
Speaker
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