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Vince Absolutely Loves Tony Khan More Than Shane
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*Full disclosure, this episode was recorded last week before the death of Jay Briscoe*
This week the boys are chatting Garrett attending KOBK Souled Out 2, Vince's new favorite son, a pitch for Undertaker's new court show and more!
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Introduction to Predetermined Podcast
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout.
Chris Miggs' Mexico Adventure
00:00:38
Speaker
I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, the man who still tunes into Raw to see what Dolph Ziggler's up to, Chris Miggs. Yes, yes, I'm back. I've returned from my Sojourn.
00:00:53
Speaker
to Mexico. I didn't see any wrestling. I was there for a music festival in a beautiful place called Todos Santos. It was 80 degrees every day. I ate the most wonderful tacos and other food. There's a lot of wonderful food in Todos Santos.
00:01:13
Speaker
went to the beach, walked in a bay where I could like, was like, it was so still, I could like walk into like the, basically it felt like the middle of the oceans. It was beautiful and the music was wonderful, great friends. So I gotta tell you, I'm feeling good. How are you feeling, Garrett?
Garrett's Home Renovation Tales
00:01:31
Speaker
I spent the last five days laying tile and grout in my kitchen and dining room.
00:01:39
Speaker
and my body feels beat to shit. I don't feel like I've relaxed. I didn't get a single fruity drink. Did you get to have a fruity drink?
00:01:49
Speaker
I had a couple of fairly, yeah, I mostly drank like margaritas, but I had a couple of real, I had a very fruity mezcalita that was really delightful, highly recommended. Make yourself, if you're just at home listening to the show and you're relaxing, make yourself, and you've got some mezcal and some fresh fruit. I recommend making yourself a mezcalita for this.
00:02:12
Speaker
Even if you're not listening at home, maybe you're at work and maybe your boss is not very attentive. Maybe he is tucked away in a corner. Pull it out of the bottom drawer of your desk. We know you have it there. You're like my sophomore year English teacher. I'm saying sophomore high school, by the way, not college. Everybody knew he had a bottle of wild turkey in that bottom drawer. He had a problem.
00:02:43
Speaker
Um, I will say I didn't, again, this was not sort of as, as not a wrestling trip, but I did obviously go through, there's some shops in town and I did find something that was incredibly weird. So they had some wrestling, it's some lucha masks, right? That makes sense. Um, including interestingly, they had a couple of Spider-Man ones, which Maddie really liked. We didn't, we didn't get him, but, um,
00:03:05
Speaker
Nor input, like other normal stuff, right? Ray, Ray, Jr. Pentagon, all the, the normal people you met by massive, they had this stack of these little wrestling rings with like lucha door figures. And I was looking at those and one of them had like pictures of Ray Mysterio on the ring.
Strange Wrestling Merchandise in Mexico
00:03:23
Speaker
And I was like, Oh, that's kind of interesting. And just out of curiosity, I lifted up that first one and I looked at the one below it. And on the ring, Matt was a picture of Randy Orton.
00:03:36
Speaker
kind of weird, right? I mean, but you know, it's a bootlegs, right? Maybe they're just, they're trying to get the WWE time, but below that was a picture of a Lamborghini. And it just said Lamborghini has Randy Orton. Now look, there's a lot of years of WWE that I missed. Has Randy Orton ever been associated in any way with Lamborghinis or cars in general? Has there ever been like a car angle with Randy Orton that I don't know about?
00:04:06
Speaker
I mean, he probably owns one, maybe two. He's probably pooped in one. He is definitely a I returned the rental car. I took a poop in the where the spare tire goes. They're never going to find it. Look, has maybe maybe that it's a sort of very insider thing because he took a shit.
00:04:31
Speaker
in Paige's Lamborghini a long time ago. And slash Sariah. And it's just a thing, the insiders know about this. This is where the most deep cut insider stuff goes, is the Mexican bootleg shops.
00:04:51
Speaker
you sent me a picture of that and i was almost in tears it looked like you know sometimes you'll see a meme that's just like a sky background with clouds hannah montana manute bowl and then it just says it takes two or whatever
00:05:08
Speaker
Like it looked like that. Like it was just, and I hope to God that WWE Mexico, like they're just like, no, this is licensed. The people like it. This is, this is a proper team up. And then didn't it come with like a couple little plastic monster figures or something? Yeah, there's a couple little figures in there, but again, they're, they're just generic luchador figures. They're not.
00:05:34
Speaker
in any way WWE figures or even attempts at being WWE figures as far as I can tell. I'll put the picture on our Instagram when this, when this episode goes up in case anyone wants to take a look or if anyone wants is going to Mexico soon and wants to try to hunt this down for themselves. I didn't purchase it. I regret it though. No. And here's why you could have haggled.
00:06:01
Speaker
It was just so deeply, I mean, my bags were pretty full. It was like, it was either that or like a beautiful piece of art. And I felt like the beautiful piece of art was more valuable to me than a gag. And it's- It isn't a gag. It is also a beautiful piece of art. It is just a subjective art form. And you, I didn't even see the beautiful piece of art you got, but unless it has Randy Orton and a Lamborghini, you chose wrong, my friend.
00:06:31
Speaker
It's a hand-screen printed print with two luchadores, like mass luchadores and seats. Is that real? Yes, that's a real thing. No, I'll send you that. That's a real thing. Okay, that's pretty good. But I'm saying, this thing looks small. Stuff it in Matty's bag.
00:06:56
Speaker
Speaking of Mexico, you might have heard me crack open something. I see you got a spinny. I got a La Croix. This is a little taste of Mexico right here. This is a coconut La Croix. If you want to drink something that tastes exactly like sunscreen smells, this is the seltzer water for you. That sounds disgusting. It's an acquired taste.
00:07:21
Speaker
I've honestly, I feel like sunscreen's gotten better as I've gotten older. It's gotten less sort of smelly and gross feeling. When I was a kid, I feel like I got sunburned sometimes just because I didn't like sunscreen. I was like, this is gross. I'd rather get sunburned.
00:07:37
Speaker
And that was, man, yeah, you're a sick bastard, you know that? Like, you're like, I kinda liked the way it felt and I like to see how big of chunks of my skin I could peel off in one go as I sat in class. Your co-host last week wrestled a man that got stabbed. There's pictures of him bleeding with you in a bar and you're, I'm the sick bastard.
KOBK Wrestling Show Experience
00:08:06
Speaker
You know, I can't argue that I'm wrong here, which is a great transition into if you listen to last week's episode, you know, Hardway Heater came back to promote their bar show and the KOBK sold out to at the Cobra in Nashville, Tennessee. Great venue name. Just just the Cobra. It sounds like something dangerous is going to happen there.
00:08:29
Speaker
and from most of the people i invited they were like there is and that's why i am not coming with you most people like i don't want my car to get broken into and i was like well i am going to take that risk and go see my buddy bleed on a bar floor uh dude i had so i just mentioned you know i
00:08:51
Speaker
My weekend was pretty strenuous. It was a little difficult. I'll tell you, Saturday night when that show rolled around, I had been up since 7am on my hands and knees doing dials shit.
00:09:04
Speaker
And I did not want to go. I'm gonna be perfectly frank with you. It was like, I was trying to figure out at a certain point, like, how can I not go to this? Because I just want to be on the couch. And I reluctantly drugged myself to it. And I had so much fun. You drugged, you dragged yourself or you drugged yourself? Drugged myself. I took rooflin. And, uh,
00:09:30
Speaker
I don't remember most of it. I do like the way you tell that story, though, because it sounds it sounds like a story from like what Bill Watts would be telling about some house he drew in the 70s, like, OK, everyone knew everyone of all the roofers, they got they got done grouting the tiles on the roofs. That doesn't make sense, but that's OK. And they came out and they all showed up.
00:09:57
Speaker
They all showed up to the Superdome and they all got, they all drank our beer and they threw rocks at Butch Reed. And, you know, actually I feel like this is sounding more like a Jim Cornette story. Like Cornette would tell it, like this was back when things were real. Cause the roofers, they would bring their tools and they would try to hit me with them. And I, that's why I bought the tennis racket. The battery is away with my tennis racket. That was much better. There you go.
00:10:26
Speaker
But okay, so you drag yourself out. Drugs. LSD. All of them. You show up at the Cobra. Now, here's something I'm interested in at a no ring show. How does the show start?
00:10:45
Speaker
Let's see. I mean, it's just, it's kind of, it's normally, there's a, the Cobra is a couple rooms. There's like the main bar, and then there's a side room where they have bands play now and then. So there is like an elevated stage, but it's kind of a longer room. Mo's there, KOBK's personal commentator came out and started introducing the show and he brought up,
00:11:16
Speaker
So someone was like shows starting.
00:11:19
Speaker
Yeah, and I'll give them this as well. They said doors were at seven, show was at eight. They started at eight o'clock. Like I was so ready for punk rock time. We're like, maybe this gets going around nine. No, they got him up on a microphone at eight o'clock talking to us. It was great. And he brought- I feel like real punk rock, you go 7.59 and you just go show starting and then people just start punching.
00:11:48
Speaker
You stick, you just stick to the first match in the crowd and just people don't know. People aren't noticing. They're like, huh, those guys look, those guys look like they might be wrestlers. And then someone just like throws a punch.
00:12:02
Speaker
show gets going. It didn't not start that way. I mean, a little bit, which also heads up, the show will be up on IW TV, from what I was told, like within a couple days of it happening, so anytime now it should be up.
00:12:19
Speaker
We have Moses up talking, and Adam Priest comes out to interrupt, which I believe in K-O-B-K, like he is kind of a heel to them, like he came out talking shit. He had his jeans tucked into boots, and he had on a pretty nice sweater somebody shouted. He looked like a Sears catalog. He was modeling a Sears catalog. And he called out anyone. And on the stage was Brett Eisen, who is technically retired.
00:12:49
Speaker
So he is not in gear. And Adam Priest, after shit-talking, says, I'll call out anybody, anybody in the back that wants to come out. K-O-B-K circle up to talk. And in that time, Brett Ison has removed his shirt and put on, like, elbow pads. So he goes up and taps Adam Priest on the shoulder, immediately punches him in the face, and they're now in the middle of the crowd fighting. So it was a very quick, like, you know, it kinda did start as like, it is time, now it's happening.
00:13:19
Speaker
And man, have you been to a no ring bar show? I have not. It really is a good time. I mean, this is only my second one, but there is something about the constant threat of danger to your person.
00:13:36
Speaker
where you were truly like, you're running around the place trying to avoid getting hit while also trying to see. I left that night with blood on my pants and I don't know whose it was. Probably Heater's, cause fuck Heater and Hoodfoot, they bled all over that place. And after their match, there was an intermission
00:14:03
Speaker
There were three matches and then an intermission. And I thought the intermission was going to be to like mop up the pools of blood in the common spaces of this bar. That remained there the rest of the night. The intermission was just an intermission. Now, Garrett, between you and me, no one else needs to hear this except everyone who's listened to the podcast. You just said you think it's Heater's blood on you. Yeah.
00:14:34
Speaker
Is that just what you told your wife because you don't wanna tell her it was Sawyer Rex blood? She had not come out yet, so unless she had bled a little before the show started, I can confirm it was not hers. And most of her blood came out of her ear. And I think ear blood isn't as scary to get on you as rest of the body blood for some reason.
00:15:03
Speaker
That sounds very plausible, Garrett. I like that story for you.
00:15:11
Speaker
I'll talk about Sawyer wreck in a minute, but I do want to heater and hood foot started their match by dumping a trash can of gusset plates all over the floor. And then had, um, it wasn't like, you know, just regular death match where everybody just starts grossing each other up. They kind of did the old school, you know, no ring barbed wire thing where the story is, I don't want to land on those and fought over them. And it was a who's going to land on it first kind of thing.
00:15:41
Speaker
But I'll be God damned if, uh, Hoodfoot didn't pick up two of them, smash one into the back of Heater's bald head and one into the front of his head. Eventually they ended up in seats side by side, giving each other chops to the chest with gusset plates. Yeah. Yuck. Yuck. Um, it was, they, they gushed. That was the bloodiest I'd seen Heater in a match. And I think it was fitting that he did it in his hometown bar.
00:16:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And see, it's we need heater here because that now I'm like, because normally I would imagine, you know, heaters at a show somewhere outside of Nashville. Right. So he gets bloodied up. But then, like, by the time he gets home, right, he's probably cleaned himself up. Right. He hasn't been, you know,
00:16:35
Speaker
I got a feeling it's probably different for his wife when he's just sort of showing up like fresh blood and gusset plate cuts and he's just like, hey sweetheart, gonna go to bed now.
00:16:47
Speaker
I was standing next to his wife. At any show that his wife is at, she is 100% the loudest person in the room as far as yelling shit at the wrestlers goes. And when you put this show on on IWTV, you will 100% pick out her voice. She does a great job.
00:17:09
Speaker
All right. But after intermission, Sawyer Rec, Billie Starks. Up to this point, I have not seen Sawyer Rec in person in this bar. Trust me, I looked. I was trying to find her. She wasn't there. She comes out first, and then Billie comes out with a big bunny head on, and I believe a steel chair that says KOBK on it. Their match ended up only lasting, like, I would guess three to four minutes. Okay.
00:17:38
Speaker
It was very quick, but honestly, it got the point across pretty quickly. When I saw light tubes on the stage, I was like, oh, shit, we are doing light tubes and missing much of an enclosed space with people very close by. But Sawyer picked up the light tubes. Billy kicked them straight into her face, which is where her ear got cut open. But Sawyer ended up going over, chokeslamming Billy Starks off the stage through a door onto the concrete.
00:18:08
Speaker
Nice, that sounds like a spot I wanna see. And I did see that right before we started recording, GCW just announced Sawyer Rec versus Billy Starks for next weekend, or this weekend, actually. Oh, interesting. Huntsville, Alabama. So all the Billy Starks Sawyer Rec matches are gonna happen in the south. It's a specific thing. They're running the south. You're never gonna wrestle north of the Mason-Dixon line.
00:18:35
Speaker
I'm curious to see that if GCW didn't get to him, it was like, you can do this, but you gotta save 15 minutes, 10 minutes for GCW. I really did have- There's the other thing that sounds from what you said, which is that Billy Stark's much better at defending against light tubes than Matt Tremont. Yes, yes. She didn't put up with any shit with those light tubes. She was not going to take them. She is 18 years old.
00:19:06
Speaker
Just fucking kick him into the other person's face, be done with it. Matt Tremont had 200 chances to try to duck a fucking light tube from from Sawyer Wreck. Billy Starks is like, I'm not the first one. Smart guys. Didn't get her to win, but you got to give her credit in that regard.
00:19:27
Speaker
The main event of this show though was Sean Campbell, which is the newest member of KOBK, who had, if you listened to last week's episode, Heater kind of explained the story of this man and how he had been put through challenges. And have you seen the bloodbath behemoth tank?
00:19:43
Speaker
He's a southern deathmatch legend and he comes out with this guy named the Rev who is basically he's in a cloak and his face is painted up like he's in a like a deathcore band he's got like the upside down crosses and he talks like this but he's like a evil priest kind of thing best thing throughout that match he was just
00:20:10
Speaker
on the sidelines being like, get him tank. Oh no, what's happening now? But that wasn't for the camera. No one could hear that. So there's just this like insane person next to me cheering on this enormous southern man who is like at what point pulled out a fucking scythe and cut up this dude's arm. He sounds like a weird like cross between Destro and Dewey Donovan.
00:20:38
Speaker
I don't know if that's accurate at all. That's what my mind is going to. You might not be wrong there. We had Sean Campbell picked up the win and everybody hugged. So then they set up for the next show. Either way, this show, if they had taken out the intermission was 90 minutes. Do you know how perfect of a runtime that is for a wrestling, especially a sleepy one? Yeah.
00:21:02
Speaker
Like I was home by 10 30 and like in bed. You cannot beat that. Like especially when you gotta go grout the next day. That's what Cornette said. That's what Bill Watson knew. You gotta let the grouters out so they can get to work the next day so they can make the money to show up again next week.
00:21:25
Speaker
to try to kill Jim Cornette again. You can't wear out the grouters. You can't wear them out. It's part of the promotional mindset, right? These indie promoters, they've got all these soft, you know, coders coming to their shows. It's not the same. They think they can go four and a half hours. The coders are still tired. It's no good for them. But they just don't understand. Watts understood the audience, you know?
00:21:58
Speaker
And yeah, I did finally meet Sawyer Wreck. It didn't feel cool. I didn't feel cool, Chris. Why didn't you feel cool? You're wearing a sweet Sawyer Wreck shirt, I believe from 2800 Studio. Shout out to those fine fellas. It's true, it's true, I was. Because I remember last week I wanted to be like, you're on my shirt! And that basically is what happened. She didn't come out after,
00:22:27
Speaker
And Heater went into the locker room. He's like, would you like to meet her? Real bro move to bring me my favorite wrestler of 2022. And yes, she is very tall. That was just like on the TV, Chris. Just like on the TV.
00:22:46
Speaker
And basically all I could get out is, you're so cool. Like, well, like, you know, running my foot sideways, like a bashful schoolboy. And then basically it was me being bashful, her being bashful. There was a, I was just like, I like you, you're cool. You're the coolest. Everything you do is the best. What'd she say? What? What'd she say to that? She did the this emoji.
00:23:15
Speaker
What does that mean? I don't know what those, Garrett's holding up two L's or some backward, like he looks like he's making like a, like, like we're playing paper football and he's making the goalposts. Well, no, that would be like this. This would be like, if the long parts of the L's were touching the two fingers touching each other, two finger guns pointed at each other. I think it's more of a G, G shucks situation. Okay. And then she looked at Garrett and said, see, I, when I say Garrett, I mean heater. I'm sorry. Uh,
00:23:45
Speaker
was like, see, I'm getting better at taking compliments. And that was that was and then we got a picture and I moved on. I was well, first of all, that's a that's so sweet.
00:23:58
Speaker
Um, and that is the sort of the vibe I get that she's even when I, again, when, when I met her at art of war games and was like, Hey, our friend, like, you know, can't make it. And he's a big fan. She was, she's again, just so like, Oh, thank you. Like taking, she should take compliments. She's great. She's going to have to get much better at that, uh, over the course of her career, because she's very good at this and there's going to be a lot more compliments coming. I would assume.
00:24:20
Speaker
I think so. I think that we are just at the beginning of Sawyer Wreck. I could see her. I mean, it's funny because like I think she's a very I think she's a very entertaining wrestler. She is like very different from the other female wrestlers like just in her style and also like height. Right. And it's just funny that like death matches her her game and that
00:24:46
Speaker
by the time she would get to a major, she's going to have like just cuts all over her body. It's going to give her a unique look for sure. Hopefully for her Vince doesn't buy WWE because that's one less place she'd be able to go if she has any cuts on her.
00:25:02
Speaker
That is true, that is true. And then Billy Starks, I'll be honest, I was too uncomfortable to, I did go meet her. She was behind and I just said, hey, I did not ask for a photograph though. I was a little too uncomfortable. She's a lot younger than us, Garret. Too young, and she was wearing a sports bra. And I was like, in my mind, I was like, if she was wearing a shirt,
00:25:47
Speaker
You don't want to have the Sasha Banks picture where you're like standing six feet away because that looks like a weird photo. But you also don't want to be the guy who's like, my arm around you, you know. So, yeah, I think you just go for like a fist bump. Hey, great, you know.
00:25:49
Speaker
I would feel more comfortable being over twice her age.
00:26:05
Speaker
say it's a good match like what you do excited to see where you're going see you probably see and here's here's the other thing though I think that I think I would think a bar show would help but maybe certainly Billy Starks hopefully shouldn't be having these right now and I don't know if Sawyer wreck drinks or whatever but I feel like
00:26:24
Speaker
I used to be better at making friends with bands, but I think that's just because we would drink together. If I was at a show in a place that was small enough, I'd be like,
00:26:36
Speaker
I'd have had a few drinks and I'd be like, hey, you wanna drink? They'd be like, sure. And then you'd drink with them for a while. And afterwards you're like, ah, we're friends. And next time you're like, oh, hey buddy, how's it going? What's up? And then even if you're sober in the future, you've like broken down those barriers of like sort of like friendship and whatnot with the drinking. Whereas I feel like it is hard to get across that barrier
00:27:03
Speaker
Again, especially when you're hearing Greenweaver, I imagine, in your brain the entire time. Without like, hey, Sawyer, let's do shots of tequila. I don't know. But also, you can't go, hey, let's do shots of tequila when Heater's wife is there because, again, she will tell you the wife. Are you saying that she isn't a bro?
00:27:29
Speaker
I don't know. I'm just saying I'd be, I'd be worried about that. Garrett comes home covered in someone's blood and he's been doing shots with his, his crush. I don't, I just don't feel like it sounds good for you, Gary.
Feeling Out of Place in Music Scene
00:27:43
Speaker
I think a hard part of getting older right now and like having a kid is a,
00:27:49
Speaker
Like yeah, I still listen to like new bands. Like in my mind, I'm still like listening to up and coming bands and stuff. Now it's weirder to meet them. Where it's just like, I am too old to be here. I shouldn't even, like I should stand in the back, not talk to you and get the fuck out when this is over and not make eye contact with anyone under, over five years younger than me.
00:28:15
Speaker
Well, I know this thing, too, right? Like you're just by nature. You know, obviously people have age gaps and friendship, but like, yeah, the odds of you being bros with a guy in the band when he's like 23 is lower than when you're the same age. I was actually I was talking to a musician friend of mine at the festivals, Johnny Strikes, if anyone's checking out. And he's put he's put out a couple of songs recently and he's like,
00:28:40
Speaker
Yeah, I was looking at the Spotify stats, but he was listening to me and they're all over 45. He's a little older to me and I'm like, oh shoot, I'm the young guy in the crowd for this. He's like, yeah, that's good. Thanks for bringing the average down a little bit. We're hitting an age where we're more likely to be the guy who steals the Backstreet Boys money than we are a fan of the band.
00:29:12
Speaker
We're friends with tasteful older musicians who've been around the block a few times. Those are our friends. Oh, fuck.
00:29:24
Speaker
So, um, last week we kind of, as we recorded the podcast, we had a situation similar to you and Derek after all out, where like Heater gets here and as he texts me that he's on his way, I see Stephanie McMahon had like resigned.
00:29:43
Speaker
And then as he pulled up to the house, I saw Vince McMahon was chairman of the board and I was just like, haha, who gives a shit? And by the end of the podcast, once it was over, I opened my phone and it's like, they're selling to the Saudis. Holy shit. No one's going to care what we just talked about. What the
WWE Leadership and Sale Rumors
00:30:01
Speaker
fuck is that? I have not paid any attention. And frankly, I don't I don't really care, but I am still going to ask, like, what has happened?
00:30:12
Speaker
You're like, we're going to talk to the business law professor about this. Um, so Vince McMahon, let's, let's start at the beginning for people. Like let's, cause I think it's probably worth doing actually tried to break this down for a second. Um, so obviously there's a lot of shares of WWE, but not all shares are created equal, right? Vince has a certain class of shares that while he owns, I think it's definitely less than 50%. It's somewhere like 20% of the like value of WWE.
00:30:42
Speaker
He owns like 80% of the voting shares. So as a result, he can basically name anyone to the board that he wants. He can file, fire, remove the board. And it's one of the most important things if you're doing business type deals is.
00:30:59
Speaker
you know, thinking about, and this is like, literally it's like in business law textbooks, like thinking about this stuff because when someone controls the board, they basically control the company at the end of the day, no matter how much you might want this to be different. So Vince used that power and said, hey, I control the board of directors. Here's who I'm electing to the board of directors, me and several other people who will let me do whatever the fuck I want. And so, and he got rid of the people who were disagreeing with me.
00:31:29
Speaker
Whoops. Whoopsie daisy. Whoopsie daisy. So if you weren't comfortable with Vince being in charge, maybe you shouldn't have invested in WWE, I guess, but yeah, that's a longer conversation.
00:31:41
Speaker
So, yeah, now he's Stephanie resigned, quote unquote, but come on. She was told to leave. She's like, either you resign gracefully or I ungracefully fire you. She got shamed. That's some shit that he's like, I will give you the luxury of saying that you quit. Shane, I would publicly flog.
00:32:09
Speaker
I would push him off a scaffold on television. And then as the crash pad was as was as he was about to land on the crash pad, I would have someone pull the crash pad. That's what he would do to shame. Does he also hate Shane's children or is he like a good grandfather? Does he has a good seed? I don't think he's I don't think he's a good grandpa.
00:32:35
Speaker
You don't think that Christmas morning at the McMan House is pretty good? I think Christmas is probably good, because I think Vince has a lot of history giving gifts to make up for him being a terrible person.
00:32:51
Speaker
I mean, Linda's been with him for a long time. So you gotta think he knows how to go do some retail relationship therapy. So yeah, I bet Christmas is good, but I bet the rest of the year, like Vince isn't taking you to go play mini golf.
00:33:06
Speaker
It sucks because whoever Shane's wife is, I'm sorry that I don't know this, but her parents are certainly better grandparents. But at the end of the day, the kids like pop events more, unfortunately, because they got six PS5s for Christmas.
00:33:31
Speaker
Like, even though grandparents are putting in the work at the zoo, watching him on the weekends, cooking him dinner, grandpa Vince as his house is cooler. Yeah, his house is way cooler and they get stuff every time. Well, that's the other thing, right? So he's basically he's got all this power, right? And now he's installed himself again as chairman.
00:33:54
Speaker
And allegedly, his stated intention here is to try to figure out if they're going to sell the company and or to redo the TV rights deals, because he's the only, A, he said, like, well, I'm the only person who can do it. But also he basically held everyone up because he said, I won't approve. I have all the voting shares and I won't approve anything if I'm not involved. So sucks to be you.
00:34:20
Speaker
And the other thing that's interesting is that Triple H has had apparently two separate talent meetings, one on Friday, one on Monday, in which he keeps insisting to talent that he's in control still. And he said, apparently, and again, it's wrestling media, but still, I'm just going to assume this is a quote because it's too good.
00:34:44
Speaker
He's like, look, Vince is consulting on creative, but he's giving me the final say, which is like you're having a conversation with a man with a gun, and he's giving you the final say. Trips, he's not giving you the final say. He's letting you have the final say if you say things that don't make him want to shoot you. That's the scenario here.
00:35:13
Speaker
And who, like, who backstage believes Triple H? Like, is this a, like, if it were, well, if it were storylines, it would be our truth. But if it, but is it like, what the fuck? Like morale has to be so weird and low. And maybe it's not. Maybe Roman Reigns is like, it's okay, guys. I've still got these two belts. It's all gonna be okay.
00:35:43
Speaker
Cody's Cody's just back there with like just imagining they're talking about the WrestleMania main event and Triple H is like I don't think Cody should I don't think Cody should go over it we remember what he did and Cody's just back there like you know that he just is that bit where he would like cup his ear and being the elite and he can hear Vince go
00:36:05
Speaker
I don't give a shit. You put him over, Trips, they're all fire you. And he's like, shit, Cody, just like this pumping. He's like, yes, yes. And at the end of the day, it was Triple H's decision to do that, though. Oh, yeah, Triple H, she's like, you know what? That's a really good point, Vince. And I think I'm going to agree with you. And Vince goes, that's why I give you final say, because you're so smart.
00:36:33
Speaker
You're so goddamn smart, Paul. Is Triple H having fun at this job? Like, what is keeping him around? He was. Oh, he's having a blast. He was having a great time. Honestly, he was having a really good time when everybody was just leaving him alone over at NXT. And then, yeah, yeah, what the fuck? I mean,
00:37:02
Speaker
What we also have again, the potential buyers, right? Which is kind of like, that's been the other weird thing, right? Cause the obvious thing that people have talked about for a long time is like, would one of the TV companies buy it most obviously sort of universal because they already own raw and the WWE network and NXT.
00:37:20
Speaker
So if they just bought WWE, they could fill tons of hours of programming without having to pay rights fees all the time. Right. That kind of just makes rough sense, at least. Right. The conversation was they could put Smackdown on NBC or something. Well, isn't USA still like just their network?
00:37:40
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. USA is theirs. Yeah. Right. So they'd have the second day rights. They could put it up on Peacock the day after. It's apparently one of the only things kind of keeping USA's ratings, prime time ratings, even sort of a float. So, well, because suits isn't on anymore, right? I know suits isn't, you know, they own suits or burn notice. So they're, you know, making Markle's doing much more important stuff now.
00:38:07
Speaker
I think eventually they're probably gonna be like, we need a little cash. Can we get a Suits reunion? And we'll get that eventually. Or they just do a King Harry show. But that's the thing, right? WWE brings back King of the Ring. We teach Harry how to wrestle. He's got to be, he's tough. He was in the army. So we just teach him how to wrestle. Vince puts like a big crown on him, like Harley race and like a cape.
00:38:36
Speaker
and Regal, he brings back Regal to manager, Regal's the manager, and he's out there, he's burning bridges, he's, you know, he may be the spare heir, but he's the king of the ring. Vence is like, I like him, I like the way he talks about his family. But so yes, we've got them,
00:39:04
Speaker
And there's all of the, you know, their potential one that's kind of interesting. There's also the, you know, they've talked about like Endeavor, who owns like UFC, they could be a buyer, right? The Saudis have been buying a lot of entertainment properties. I assume that's where the rumor is coming from, right? But- What entertainment properties do they own? You're like, they actually own the Smurfs, Garret.
00:39:34
Speaker
They own a golf league now. They've been buying all the top golfers. They own an English Premier League soccer club. I think there's more stuff too. I just don't keep that track. But the Saudis are throwing money around. They have a soccer league now. They're paying like Ronaldo like $500 million or something. That's a sweet gig for him. Well, that's one of the things people have talked about and kind of one of the theoretical interesting things that could happen here is that like if the Saudis
00:40:03
Speaker
like get a hold of this and they're like we want all the wrestlers they could just start like giving people millions of dollars you know we're gonna end up with Derek's favorite scenario which is Bill Goldberg has a title again and is also a billionaire doing so
00:40:24
Speaker
Yeah, because they're not giving a billion dollars to Keith Lee. It's a billion to Goldberg. It's a billion to Goldberg, the guy who's been hosting Forged in Fire, knife or death.
00:40:38
Speaker
Um, so we've got that. The other one that's, that's kind of interesting is that people have talked about that the con family could theoretically be buyers. Um, you'd have to think they'd at least ask about the price and inquire, right? Cause it's right. That just kind of makes sense. They're obviously in the wrestling game. You get a chance to buy your biggest competitor. That would make sense. I actually think.
00:41:02
Speaker
that, we were talking a little bit over text, I think TK and Vince would weirdly get along. I think, first of all, I think he currently loves him more than Shane, right? He has to, he has to. There's no way he doesn't. The only time he was proud of Shane is when Shane left to go to his cell phone thing in Japan or whatever he was doing, because he left him alone.
00:41:27
Speaker
talk to him. He actually forgot that he existed until he came home for like Christmas and just like oh god damn it. I thought you were gone. It's just so weird though because I feel like the energy it's like I think Vince would respect TK because TK has challenged him that's that's what Vince likes he's like ah yeah
Speculation on WWE and AEW Dynamics
00:41:47
Speaker
You came right at me. You came for my balls. And but I think T.K. does not give off what I think one would call an alpha energy. Are you kidding me? He yells, he stomps, he stomps when he yells. He gives he gives off kind of like angry toddler energy.
00:42:09
Speaker
because you just described my four-year-old. A lot of stopping, a lot of yelling. You give your four-year-old a bunch of cocaine and billion dollars, and that's what happens. That being said, I like UTK. I have very few issues with you. No, it's great. It's just a different kind of energy than Vince, and I am just sort of imagining
00:42:33
Speaker
Vince expecting something different when they get in the room together and just being really confused. But then again, much like I was talking about with like drinking bonding, you got to think they bond over stimulants, right? TK busts out some Adderall. Vince is like, no, no, no. And he puts the cocaine on the table and then TK puts his nose down and Vince is like, no, no, no. He's like, what do you do it with your nose?
00:43:00
Speaker
That's for pores. Watch this. We're billionaires. I'm also right at the penis hole just right up the penis hole just to finish the joke for anyone who was missing. I also I'm also imagining they start hanging out together and TK just starts getting bigger.
00:43:23
Speaker
I love it. I love it. Vince wants us to do all the board meetings in the gym now. So now we just meet and he shoots me up with something that he calls a protein powder. It's going great. All these new ways to ingest things. It's protein powder in the butt, I'm told. And I'm getting a lot stronger. I'm also getting a lot of acne and I'm very angry.
00:43:50
Speaker
TK comes out to introduce the show. He's got the body of Scott Steiner in the face of just like a comic book dork. Like just. Yes. Oh, my God. He this is the reality show we need. Like a meeting between these two is. Fuck. And it does feel it does feel like
00:44:19
Speaker
Again, I think at the end of the day, he'd love him more than Stephanie. We really like her though, or he does, right? He just made her resign. Yeah, because he respects her. No, he doesn't have any respect. Okay, rank the McMahon kids, including Triple H. Obviously Shane's last. Is Triple H or Stephanie,
00:44:51
Speaker
I think it goes back and forth. I think it's Triple H right now. Because he still has a job. Because he still has a job. And he keeps telling Vince what he wants to hear. He keeps having a final say that somehow lines up with what Vince wants. Do you think he has something on Triple H?
00:45:11
Speaker
Oh, for sure. Like, he knows some, like, he has helped Hunter out of a, let's say, a dead hooker situation. He's done, there is some sort of body buried that Vince knows about, and it's like the TV show Succession. Like, he has definitely covered up some shit, and he's like, you're my little whipping boy now, and you have to do what I say. Triple H was with someone who was a very big star in WWE,
00:45:41
Speaker
and then was with the boss's daughter and that person who was a big star left WWE and had a suspiciously strong downward spiral, ultimately ending in her death. I think Vince has got some stuff, if you wanted to, on Triple H. But we know that. I'm sure, yeah, well, no, no. Yeah, but I'm sure the transition between his relationship with China and his relationship with Stephanie was 100% clean.
00:46:11
Speaker
And nothing, and that China ending up leaving WWE had nothing to do with that switch. Just saying, just guessing. Just, then again, allegedly, I'm not, again, I don't know any, I don't know anything. I'm just saying, you wanna take a wild swing at where the body might be buried with strips? I think that's probably, there's gotta be some stuff there. That being said, you'd love to go have a meal with him. Sure.
00:46:37
Speaker
We talk about old wrestling, NWA shows, Minute Express matches. You know, they have a pretty good time. I also think, here's what I'm also interested in. Let's play out the story, right? So Vince meets TK, they work together, and he's like, I love him more than my real son, my fake son, and my daughter. And then you gotta think, at some point,
00:47:08
Speaker
Vince and Shad Khan are having dinner and Vince in like just a slight moment of introspection. Like they're having they're having some wine, right? And he's and some steak and and he's he's had enough wine and it's all swashing around. They finished up the steak and Vince looks at Shad Khan and he's like. What did you know about parenting that I didn't? He's like, well,
00:47:37
Speaker
I didn't throw my son off, like make him kill himself weekly on television for a decade. And Vince is like, good point, good point, but anything else? He's also like, and Shad Khan goes, well, in the mid 90s, I took my son to ECW. You kept taking your kids to new generation shows. Think about it. Think about it.
00:48:08
Speaker
TK was raised on New Jack. Exactly. Exactly. TK comes from that lineage and he learned how to be tough and stand up to bullies like Vince McMahon by watching New Jack.
00:48:25
Speaker
and Tommy Dreamer, he was like, yeah, like, yeah, I can be tough. Those were his inspirations. They're probably his inspirations now, deep down inside. If he was really asking himself, what inspired me to go out and like fight the biggest wrestling company in the world, he'd say, I'm just like new Jack. I don't give a fuck. Ben says like, you know I bought ECW, right? He's like, I do know, we quit watching.
00:48:53
Speaker
We didn't get sci-fi channel in our cable package, so we weren't able to catch it. I don't know, it just seems like there's an interesting, I mean, that's definitely, look, I think that one's a very, very big long shot. I just don't see that happening. The interesting thing, we were talking about this, like, even though Vince controls it, it's still a publicly traded company, right? So if someone gets a much bigger offer,
00:49:20
Speaker
than someone that Vince wants to buy it, maybe because they would keep him in power. That's sort of the rumor with the Saudis, right? Is that they'd be like, yeah, whatever, let Vince run it. Who gives a shit? We don't care about, we murdered journalists. We don't really care if Vince has been committing sexual assault and covering it up. That would be like a nice, clean, easy scandal for us. Like, did he, has he cut the head off any of those people? No.
00:49:47
Speaker
Are the Saudis super into the storylines? What is it that makes them want this? I would say that to anyone. I would see if Disney were like, we're buying this because this is for children and this is more content for the Disney Plus app and this is just nothing to us. This is the revenue from a day at the parks.
00:50:16
Speaker
What do they want? Are they hoping, realize if we buy this, we're in charge and we can make Honky Tonk Man come back? I guess maybe we have a Saudi Arabian world champion. That could be meaningful in some way, I guess. Saudi children need to see their champions too, I guess.
00:50:43
Speaker
And I'm not opposed to that if he's a good worker. That's going to be the fucking time that I'm like, you know what? I know that, you know, it's not super cool to be into it, but I like the set, the product the Saudis are putting on. I think it was really the threat of murder that Vince McMahon needed to get the creative juices flowing. And the storylines are hotter than they've been since the 90s.
00:51:11
Speaker
That Logan Paul Mansoor Iron Man match was kind of a low-key banger. That's all I'm saying. I promise you that would be a really good match. It is interesting though because there is a level where like, and look, I haven't given money to WWE in a long time, unless you count sort of the piece of my peacock subscription that would go to them somehow.
00:51:41
Speaker
Um, but like it would be a little bit, it does seem like it might be an extra line, right? We were like, Hey, how do, do I really want to give money to Saudi Arabia? Is that what I want to do with my entertainment dollars? And you can say, do I want to give it to, I mean, lots of questions you can make, but that one does kind of seem like a bigger line. I don't know.
00:52:05
Speaker
Well, remember how angry the internet was with the first Saudi show and now we're like a dozen Saudi shows in and it's just like, it's just, it's faded into the background of bad wrestling news. Yeah. Yeah.
00:52:25
Speaker
I don't know, I don't care what happens. I'm still watching wrestling I enjoy. For the most part, if anything, if they get purchased, people are gonna leave and I'm gonna see other wrestlers that I'd rather be watching here and there. I mean, as long as the Miz still has a job over there, that's all I care about. I mean, the one downside, the Saudis could theoretically sort of be like, we're just buying everyone up. Everyone whose contract comes up, we're signing them, except Sami Sane.
00:52:55
Speaker
But so it could that if there's a there's a version of this where this is very bad for wrestling because they really do become kind of a monopoly in like an a really bad way. I don't know. I think TK has got enough money that he would keep going. So I don't maybe maybe I'm not that worried about that. There's a lot of I feel like there's a lot of like so so many scenarios for this that I think are kind of I don't want to play out all of them. I feel like that would be
00:53:23
Speaker
like a shitty version of fantasy booking and you don't wanna hear us do that? That's a fantasy book, the demise of wrestling. I think it's so bizarre though to think like they'll own all the wrestlers where it's just like, guess what, after you hit a certain level in your career, sorry, Billy Starks, the Saudis own you now, put on these pants. I don't...
00:53:48
Speaker
That's not gonna happen. We're still gonna have indie wrestling. The Saudis don't want the death match. Don't let them get ahold of the death match. Don't let the Saudis see Gage. Do not let the Saudis see Gage. There's a movie here in the GCW show that happens in Saudi Arabia where Gage and
00:54:15
Speaker
Lloyd and Schlack are fighting their way out of some, like a bad action movie. With pizza cutters and light tubes. Oh my god, this is a movie. Jordan Oliver does a spin kick. Honestly, this sounds like it could be America porn and Clint Eastwood would gladly direct it. It's like from the director that brought you American Sniper comes.
00:54:46
Speaker
Starring Jimmy Lloyd of The Good Shepherd. And XPW's Schlack. You know, it could go somewhere. That's all I'm saying. I feel like there's an opportunity, boy. Would Dilfboy get to go? So, okay.
00:55:16
Speaker
So, uh, Tag was sending me a bunch of information. Apparently, Dilfboy is a piece of shit. I guess Dilfboy... Yeah, so it sounds like... Dilfboy is not a great guy? Yeah, it sounds like Dilfboy is, like, maybe worse than Magabutcher. I guess he's booked a lot of shows and never pays the talent.
00:55:36
Speaker
and a video came out of him trying to get into the back of a car as everybody is screaming at him trying to get money and him with a sad face just says, I'm just trying to get out of here. Yeah, because you don't want to get screamed at by the people you fucked. So it does sound like MAGA Butcher like worked over a guy that was a piece of shit. Um,
00:56:01
Speaker
So I don't think you have to feel so bad for DILF boy. No, this is not like we need to feel bad for DILF boy at all. I mean, it's one of those things where you have to question. Was this the appropriate way to now this is very Rob Black move, honestly, where you're like, and I guess the weird like the sort of fun, weird wrestling thing, right? Is is the shit like this where you're like, huh, I wanted to feel bad for DILF boy. I want to just be like, these are bad people doing this. And they are.
00:56:30
Speaker
but they're bad people doing bad things, maybe deservedly bad things to another bad person. And that's when wrestling morality just flourishes the most when you're like, I don't know, they got revenge on this shitty guy. So I guess I like them, but I definitely honestly shouldn't like them.
00:56:53
Speaker
But what you don't know is that before that happened, they had a Zoom call with Mark Callaway, you know, wrestling's judge. And this was the law of the land. He banged the gavel and said, MAGA Butcher gets to fuck you up in front of a crowd of people and you don't get to do anything about it.
00:57:12
Speaker
You know, that is one like underrated thing. Like, why haven't we? I mean, Undertaker, everyone knows he does the Wrestlers Court thing. He's retired. Why don't we have like a Wrestlers Court show on Peacock? Any channel, because fucking Steve Harvey has a judge show now. Like, get a gift. It's like, I don't know, man. What do you, what do you, you didn't pay for the fence that you, he built you that fence and you didn't pay him. All right. You get to punch him in the face.
00:57:45
Speaker
It's it's regular problems. It's just like it's still called Wrestlers Court because he is a wrestler. But I don't know if he's allowed to use the Undertaker name. So he's still wearing the judge robe. Actually, he could just wear the cloak. It's a WWE. I think this is a WWE production. So he gets to be the Undertaker. The bailiff is the bailiff is fucking
00:58:11
Speaker
Paul Bearer, but there's just an urn sitting on the side where he's like, what do you think Paul? And still talks to him as if he's there. See, here's, here's the thing. We got to get this going now. Cause when they get bought by the Saudis, you're going to see a real difference in the show, uh, because the level of punishments he's allowed to lay down increased dramatically. We don't, we don't want to know what happens when Dave Meltzer goes on wrestler's court.
00:58:47
Speaker
fucking want this show so bad. This is like, this is the show that's going to air while you're waiting and you're in the waiting room at the dentist's office. Like you can either look at this old highlights magazine or you can watch Undertaker make a lady punch another lady in the face because her dog better.
00:59:11
Speaker
I think, here's the thing. I think you owe her a receipt. You bite her. You get to bite her. You give her the old A-Steel. Fuck. Look, all I'm saying, I would watch it. I would watch it.
00:59:35
Speaker
It's a cheap show to produce. It's going to make everybody happy. You know what? I hope the Saudis do get it because I think it's going to be easier to pitch it to them than Vince. Before we go, I did I watched one other thing that I feel like it is worth mentioning.
Danbury Trashers Documentary Mention
00:59:52
Speaker
I watched a documentary called Untold Crimes and Penalties. I guess there's a whole Untold series. Most of them are about sports on Netflix. This one was about a minor league hockey team called the Danbury Trashers. The Trashers. The Trashers. And it's because basically what happens in this story is the guy who is the owner of the team
01:00:20
Speaker
Some people think Tony Soprano was based on him. He owned a big trash company that ended up being investigated by the FBI for all sorts of crimes.
01:00:33
Speaker
And his son, I believe, his name was AJ, which I think was also Tony Soprano's son's name. So he ended up buying his 17-year-old son a minor league hockey team and let him be the GM.
01:00:51
Speaker
So I know already this sounds like a Disney Channel movie, but basically this kid at 17 is dressing unironically like John Cena at the beginning of his career. Like very much like the backwards hat, the chains, like he seems like just such a Jersey Shore piece of shit.
01:01:16
Speaker
and then it goes back to show us when this when this guy was a little kid i mean the guy 17 for his their family was so wealthy and he didn't he said he didn't really have an understanding of how wealthy his family was until his 10th birthday
01:01:33
Speaker
when his dad basically hired the WWE locker room to come to his birthday party, and all of the other kids at the birthday party are like, what the fuck is happening? Like, it showed his video of his 10th birthday. Triple H, China, The Rock, Billy Gunn, and for some reason, Honky Tonk Man were all at his birthday party. This is like attitude era, like, hide of.
01:02:02
Speaker
So DX is just showing up. And so he ends up starting this hockey team, but he wants it to be more like pro wrestling and he wants them to be the heel team. OK. And so they had this like very like goon heel mentality and they their top enforcer was a dude who had just gotten out of prison.
01:02:27
Speaker
who while in prison beats up seven guards and is just a complete badass. And he says he gets a call, and everybody's afraid of the owner. He's not an intimidating looking man, but the way everyone talks about him is as if he were Tony Soprano. And he gets a call, and he goes, this is right before the game's very first game starts. He's like, hello?
01:02:50
Speaker
And he looks up to the box and it's like that guy and he's waving. He's like the second the puck drops, I want you to throw your gloves off and fight someone. And that just like started the whole thing for the team where like they were the heels of hockey. But the story gets fucking crazy. But it's just can you imagine being 10 in the rock comes to your birthday party at like the height of the attitude era? It.
01:03:19
Speaker
It's pretty crazy, it also does kind of sound like, as you were telling the story, it did kind of sound like Shad and Tony Khan a little bit. Just way less evil. Well, more evil, more evil in this case. Shad and Tony are, you know, Tony's like, I just want to put on the wrestling show. Although, to be fair, Tony did just ask some ladies to gig themselves.
01:03:45
Speaker
This week. So did he ask that of them? I don't mind. I don't know if he asked. I mean, he certainly approved it. Right. So, you know, what's some punches in hockey when when some ladies can take some power bombs onto the floor?
01:04:02
Speaker
So, oh, yeah, did you watch the match?
AEW Rampage Hardcore Match Discussion
01:04:06
Speaker
So was it a hardcore tag match or what was the street fight? Street fight. So it was Ruby and Willow. Ruby and Willow against Anna J and Ty Mello. And it's it's you know, the obvious comparison would be to the tag match about a year ago where Anna and Ty wrestled the bunny and Penelope.
01:04:28
Speaker
They were very much going for that. Ruby and Willow came out kind of like the Dudley's with the camo pants. But here's the other thing, and this is where you know they're getting ready to bleed buckets. Everyone's wearing white shirts.
01:04:53
Speaker
Everyone's ready to pick up some red here and there. Yeah, it's the tell. You're like, oh, this one's gonna get, this is gonna get real. This is gonna get very real very quickly.
01:05:03
Speaker
How early into the match did real violence start happening, like were thumbtacks or bleeding? I think Ruby's busted open within a minute. Jesus. It's very quick. Ruby bleeds the most and she's busted open very early in the match. But of all those people, she has more of that background.
01:05:24
Speaker
Right? Like, I mean, I remember seeing some like brutal matches with her, especially like an inner gender match between her and Sammy Callahan, where it's just like, it gets like uncomfortable to watch because they're like going, he's going so hard on her.
01:05:40
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, again, I mean, it's interesting because like Ty and Anna, this is now their second time doing this. And they clearly it's not what they do regularly, but like good autumn for like being like, yeah, we when we have to go have the hardest court match, we take it up to, you know, 11 on that. And it took a power willow. This was the main event of Rampage and it took a power bomb off the.
01:06:04
Speaker
off the stage that was supposed to be through a table, but Willow kind of overshot it a little bit and Anna basically lands on the floor, which did not look fun, did not look fun. There's also the Willow gave, I can't remember if it was Anna or Tay, but like a Death Valley driver onto the apron that looked pretty rough. They all went very, very hard.
01:06:32
Speaker
That's I mean, that's fucking cool. Like when I when I heard about this match, it was the first thing in a long like I didn't even tune in to rampage to what Watchman's Warner versus Mox. And this is like one of the first matches in a while where I'm just like, oh, shit, like.
01:06:50
Speaker
going hard on a Friday, on a taste Friday. This was a really good episode of Rampage. They also had Brody King and Malachi Black against Ortiz and Eddie Kingston. It was really good. And I think, is there a Darby match I'm forgetting? There was a third match that was also, it was a very, it was a very, very strong episode of Rampage.
01:07:14
Speaker
And it was a good week for- Oh, Drew Stravinson. Oh, Drew Stravinson, that was cool. And yeah, that was a good dynamite last week too with the, I guess they, I mean, I guess they were at the forum too. So they don't go to LA very often. They want to give LA a big show and it sounds like they did.
01:07:31
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I was watching the show the next morning, like with like headphones in before everyone had kind of woken up and my life like looks over at me sitting in chair and the multiple times during the six man main event with like the bumps on the ladder, I was just kind of like, oh, oh.
01:07:53
Speaker
Oh, god damn. Yeah, that was great. I also I really liked Mox and Hangman. I thought that was a really fun.
01:08:03
Speaker
Like it really lived up to what I had in mind for that match, which was great. I also like, I have a theory about this, right? Now, obviously it looks like Moxley is doing an injury angle here, which maybe is his opportunity to finally take the vacation that he, and most importantly, Renee was promised like almost six months ago now.
Jon Moxley's Injury Storyline Speculation
01:08:26
Speaker
But I have a theory about this. I believe that that was the plan. That was a work.
01:08:32
Speaker
But I think Doc Sampson was, Moxley was not aware that it was work. And Doc Sampson is lying to him right now. You're really great buddy. You might never wrestle again. You've got a, your whole leg is broken. You can't walk. Moxley's just down there. He's like, I thought I was just selling. I guess Doc's telling me I'm really hurt. I guess I have to, it's like we can't clear you for a month.
01:08:58
Speaker
He's like, okay. I thought, man, I thought I was just laying here trying to sell the buckshot, but I didn't even know. They're just going to keep giving him fake COVID test results. He's like, they won't let me do this, but for some reason, Renee says it's okay to go to Tampa.
01:09:20
Speaker
I was on three planes today. They get a house on the water in Puerto Rico. And just a week in, he finds the Puerto Rican wrestling.
01:09:39
Speaker
and Renee's like, God, damn it. He had never heard a bruiser Brody up until that point and he sees him walking around the crowd scaring the shit out of people. He's like, wait a minute, I can bleed on the fans? Wait, who killed this guy? And I can still go wrestle him? Wait a minute. Renee, you told me I couldn't kill anybody.
01:10:09
Speaker
I just, I'm just, I just mocks just like shows up at a WWE at a, I guess it's still WWE. You see, I think I, I think there's some other ones down there too, but, um, yeah, he's just like, this is amazing. I get to walk through the crowd over. He just, he comes into the match, busted open. He gets, this guy kicked me in the back. He's like, Hey Marty, can you, Marty squirrel is who he's talking to here. He's like, would you mind bleeding for me?
01:10:39
Speaker
Just give me, just doesn't even have to be on the hairline, just right on the forehead. This is the right thing. Fuck. Eventually Mox and his wife are gonna have to go on wrestlers court. He's like, here's the thing, Jonathan, just take this woman on vacation. She's a good woman.
01:11:02
Speaker
No, the punishment is like, okay, Renee, you get to gig him. And she's like, no, that's not a good punishment. He likes that. God damn it, Mark. You got to give me something real here. Oh, shit.
01:11:21
Speaker
Uh, I think that's where we, we cut it off today. I don't, I don't think we top wrestlers court with, with Mark Callaway shit. I don't know. Does there, do we have anything fun coming up? Do you have any more wrestling shows?
01:11:38
Speaker
I was, I'm trying to figure out there's, you know, there's a couple of wrestling shows in Brooklyn this weekend, trying to figure out that if they look, if either of those are going to fit into my, uh, plans, the Jersey J cup is coming up. I'm kind of excited for that. I think I'm going to, I think we're going to get to one or maybe two with, I'm not sure I'll plan for that. They have announced. Somehow they've announced 20 entrants, which is weird because it's a tournament and I don't understand what math they're going to do where 20 makes sense.
01:12:05
Speaker
Is there like a five-way scramble at the end? Does someone enter to make it a six-way or something? It easily could be, because it's a two-day event, right? Two shows, one day. There's a two o'clock and an eight o'clock show. And this is JCW doing it on Fight Plus, though. It's hard to tell if this is technically JCW or GCW. I've lost. The original Jersey J Cup was...
01:12:32
Speaker
JCW, that was from 2002. It's actually, if you go look at it, it's like a who's who of indie wrestling, all of whom are wrestling very short matches because there's 16 of them, which means there's 15 matches on the show.
01:12:49
Speaker
And I don't know, GCW's announced some good ones too. We have, um, actually one I'm excited about February 19th in LA, which this is one that I'm like, fuck, is it time for me to make a little. Well, vacation to LA again to see Nick Gage fight speedball, Mike Bailey for the title. Yeah. That, that should be good. Uh, and then this weekend, I'm definitely going to tune in to see Sawyer wreck and Billy Starks fight each other again in Alabama.
01:13:18
Speaker
See, here's my question. Here's, here's something with the Jacob. Could they bring back the first winner? Who was reckless youth? Could, could we have reckless youth to show up for the final? Does reckless youth still wrestle? He's definitely not reckless youth anymore. He's definitely reckless old man. Reckless old gentlemen. Um, but I'm just looking at the original guys. The Briscoes were in it. So there are these presumably available. Um,
01:13:47
Speaker
Is there some other guys who didn't? Dave Greco, the insane dragon, not so much around anymore. Is this at the showboat? No, this is in at the White Eagle Hall in Jersey City, which is where it's where they did the collective in twenty nineteen. Oh, OK. Yeah, that would have been where. I want to say Jimmy Lloyd got stabbed in the throat with the scissors.
01:14:15
Speaker
Okay. Maybe. Who knows? All right. So many stabbings. So it's, it's hard to keep track everything, but either way, uh, thanks everybody for listening. When the, pretty soon that KOBK show should be up on IWTV, give that a watch. Uh, follow all those guys. That was fun as hell. I will be back. Absolutely. But, uh, at predetermined podcast on Instagram at Gartet on Instagram.
01:14:41
Speaker
I'm at Chris Miggs on Instagram. And facts is at Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page. That's too much fun for me to say every single time. It's so good. It's so good. It's too good and it means nothing. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for listening and hit our goddamn music.