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Dynamic Introduction and Guest Setup
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It's with a million. It's that world heavyweight flow. Championship belt wrapped around my waist. Yo, I got that red flare figure blow. Slam you on the page. That's why they call me street pro. Create, eat on, be flow. Like Jordan after the second time he's three feet. Folks, get ready, set, let's go. Fight toe to toe, release the flow. Created by this mic pro. Life camera, get low. action back, back to back, in fact this monster will grow y'all better let him know man with the master plan and you have no need to know you can't prepare now get ready for the show yes sir yes sir yes sir yo yo yo what is up my friends
00:00:57
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Welcome, welcome, welcome. um You know what it is. It is ball and buds. I don't know why I just said everything three times like that. I know usually in my intro, I do that, but like that was way too much now that I'm kind of hearing myself back. But so enough about that. You see me joined by one of the best NBA insider. I hear the rumor is that he can run a hundred yard dash in 9.97 seconds. Apparently Usain Bolt is out here choking on his dust. Um, you know, I also hear a bunch of other, no, I mean, I was about to give you you this whole like huge introduction. I was like, man, were you hearing that stuff? it bit yeah
00:01:43
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Well, you know, you told you told me about track practice. I figured I'd boost you up a little bit there. From Man Down Sports, my brother, welcome. Thank you again for joining us like last time. Go ahead first before we get started and go and plug all your stuff, brother. Hey man, find me on YouTube or Facebook or Instagram, man. Just search Man Down Sports. And we should come up on X as well. So um yeah, go and follow us on all that stuff, man, especially YouTube. But we'll appreciate it if y'all go and follow us on everything because we're trying to build every platform, man, because I think that's you know that's that's better for more reach. so So do us that favor, man, Man Down Sports everywhere that you can you can follow us on.
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Tribute to Willie Mays
00:03:03
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So again, make sure you ah you go to at Ball and Buds to stay updated for our combat sports special next week and many other shows. That being said, let's get started. I am your host, Omar, the Street Professor Fonseca. I am here with Mel from Man Down Sports. We're going to talk a little bit of NBA, but first,
00:03:22
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Before we get into that, it's a little bit of a somber day for anyone. um Well, I mean, it's a little but bit of both, right? It's a joyous day. ah We celebrate ah Juneteenth, ah which is the recognition of the emancipation emancipation, excuse me, of ah slavery. Now, originally the proclamation of independence was in 1863, but the last people in Texas were not free until 1865 on June 19th, which is why this is um such a big and important day and holiday in our history and should be recognized as such. So that's the joyous part of that. um So obviously recognizing um all of our ah brothers and sisters out there that ah you know them or their family struggled through any sorts of disgusting racism and one of those people ah was Willie Mays. Just last night we had news come through the wire at 93 years old
00:04:18
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Willie Mays, considered to be the greatest baseball player of all time by a lot of people, including myself, um passed away peacefully. He lived a long life, 93, but we must ah celebrate him because of the not only the impact that he had. Yeah, he wasn't the first player to break the color barrier like Jackie Robinson, but he was the best player that eventually came along um and you know after that color barrier was broken. ah Willie Mays played with the San Francisco Giants for 21 to 23 years and also with my New York Mets he batted 300 with 660 home runs over 32 almost 3300 hits.
00:05:00
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and had two National League MVP awards. Now, that's kind of yeah bullshit because if you look back, analytics say that he could have easily, well, he was the best player for nine seasons, at least in his National League career. um So he should have won probably a lot more MVPs than that. But either way, he was a huge, huge um you know figure in the baseball world. And with them having the the ah the celebration of the Negro Leagues tomorrow with their game at Rickwood Field where ah Nicely enough, Willie Mays actually played when he was in the Negro Leagues. um that That game is going to be tomorrow. ah We celebrate his life. So um start with that, Mel. you'all You have any thoughts on any of that?
00:05:44
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No. Everything you said was well was was spot on, man, and and necessary to say, man, he was a great baseball player. um I'm not sure. Was he was he ah the godfather or the uncle of ah Barry Bonds? what What was his relation to Barry Bonds? That's right. Yeah. He was the godfather of Barry Bonds. Yep. Yeah. So, um and and Barry Bonds is the goat to me. So I'm pretty sure the goat right now probably is, a you know, and needed some prayers and stuff like that, man. But, you know, 93, you know, living a full life, all that stuff, man, it makes it a little bit, it's never going to be easy, but it makes it a little bit
00:06:27
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easier appeal to swallow, you know you know you know then it would be if it was like someone like Kobe who only lived half his life. You get what I'm saying? so ah that That's when you can really say, yeah, God called him home, you know he's he's he's resting, he's laid the rest, and ah you know he was able he was able to fulfill ah probably most of everything he wanted to do in life, man. so Yeah and um and mean he lived a really long life like you said right ninety three years old so i mean that most people don't even get to live close to that age these days so. Yeah for real so yeah yeah hate hate hate you losing anybody ah but you know within with when is someone in the whole world knows it's a.
00:07:12
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That's an icon and stuff like that. You know, it just it makes you think, ah you know, give you an opportunity to to think back on the things they did and all that stuff, man. But it's bittersweet, man, because I mean, like like I said, he's resting. So yeah. and And you said right your your goat is Barry Bonds. His goat is Willie Mays. And you know he's my goat as well. ah you know He's one of my three favorite players of all time. I never i got to actually see him play, but I am ah you know a sports buff. So I went back and watched plenty of his games. Everybody knows the catch, right um the personality, and all that that great stuff. So may he rest in power. And we celebrate his life on this occasion, this Juneteenth.
00:07:53
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occasion. And now we get started on our show. So let's kick this bad boy off, shall we? ah First things first. I got to say, baby, shout out. You know where I'm going with this. You know who I
Celtics' Season and Future
00:08:07
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represent. Let me let me turn my hat around so that people know who your boy represents before I get my new hat. I'm still wearing the 2008. But you know, I just want you to talk about my champion, Boston Celtics for a second. Just give them their flowers, my friend. That was the best team from the beginning of the season, man. They came out of the gates and and put people on notice, man. They made they may two moves. I mean, because it looked like one of those situations, if it's not broke, then why fix it? So ah to move on from Marcus Smart,
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Right. Everybody was like, man, he was such a leader and a great defender. You know what I mean? Like, what are you doing? And you move on from there and then not long after that, you get Drew Holliday. And it's like, oh, they lost Marcus. They replaced him with a better offensive player with probably better defense as well. And I'm like, wow, man, it is an amazing move by Brad Stevens, man. Like, you know, for him for him to do that. And then and then they grab Porzingis. And I'm like, oh, they got a unicorn.
00:09:16
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who the only reason why he can't be a unicorn because he can't stay healthy. But now that he's a third, fourth option, third or fourth option, now that might help sustain him from injury, do the season, give him less to worry about, less, less pressure. And I'm like, oh, man, they might be cooking with grease and then they come out on fire. And then at times they would get bored and drop a game that they shouldn't shouldn't drop. And then ESPN would talk about him and be like, oh, man, I'm afraid for Boston. I'm like, look, man, these dudes are bored. Like like there and they almost coasted the 60 plus wins, right? Only team that had 60, I think.
00:09:55
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almost coast to the 60 plus wins that but and everybody underappreciated them. Everybody underappreciated them. They did not put Jalen Brown on the All and NBA team. They didn't even have Jason Tatum in the conversation for ah MVP at all. And I'm like, man, how did you how how do you how how does the best team in the league led by Tatum and Brown also be underappreciated. I was so confused, right? So I was like, they allowed it for the people in the back. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like when you have a team with multiple, when you have all NBA team with multiple players from one team, it's usually supposed to be the team that's on the top of the seating, right? If you have a team, all-star team with multiple players on it, it should be a top-seated team, right? We should not have the Lakers barely squeaking into the playoffs.
00:10:47
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and they getting AD and LeBron on the All-NBA team. The number one team in the league is only getting one All-NBA selection. well The multiple selections for All-NBA and All-Star should come from the top ranked teams, not the bottom. Right. So, um, that was my thought on that. I'm glad they went in, but they probably went in with a little chip on their shoulder yesterday. they that They had some help. Some people got injured. Jimmy Butler got injured. Um, you know, uh, Holly Burton got injured, you know, but the Caesar series was already decided by the time he got injured. You know what I mean? So, uh, yeah, they had, they had some help a little bit. now Go ahead. and should
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No, they had some help a little bit, man, but um I didn't think it was going to be one of those things where they got to the ah to the finals and got surprised by somebody out of the West. so i knew I knew Boston was the best team the whole time. Got it. No, because that's where I was actually going to go with that. so Everybody, the media, everybody was like, oh, well, you know, they played nobody. There were injuries. So they played lesser teams, even though let's be fair, they were without for Zingus, their third best player for much of the postseason, but that we never complained. There was no complaints over here. Uh, but you know, the talk was out there. So you have, to you have to, act you have to ask, is that true? Was that a thing? So I have consistently said, you play who's in front of you.
00:12:09
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You play the teams that are in front of you. Every team deals with injuries. This late in the season teams are tired. They're playing a lot of games. This is when injuries happen. So I want your professional opinion on this. Do you subscribe to the fact that I know you just said ah ah you talked about a little bit, but do you subscribe to the fact that this is a asterisk Champion as someone like hot take Jake would say it is um Or is this legitimate and they actually deserve all everything they want
00:12:40
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No, it's not an asterisk um because you got two seasons. You got the regular season and then the postseason. Right. And ah we we reward the teams that perform the best in the regular season with postseason seeding. Right. Home court advantage. Number one seed. You got to play the ah the the number eight seed. So what you do in the regular season sets you up for success for the postseason. Now, if your team is constructed in a way to where you can get through a grueling 82 game season and get into the playoffs healthy.
00:13:16
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then that's kudos to you and your and your ball club and your front office. If your team is instructed in a way like Philly is where you got to put all the load on Joel and B and he don't have no help and he don't and he don't hold up for the whole season, then that's on you. If I'm playing you in the postseason and my team is constructed in a way where I over exert your superstars because they're not used to playing defense at a high level like this, and I got them all over the place and they get hurt, that's on them. You get what I'm saying? it's It's kind of like when the Warriors play hard and CP3, Hamstrom almost fell off out off the bone. That's because he was running chasing Jeff around all game and he wasn't ready for that. He wasn't ready, but it's not my fault. What I'm providing on the court is causing you to get injured.
00:14:06
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You get what I'm saying now? So now if that was a situation like Giannis sliding his foot under Kyrie's foot and twisting his ankle real bad, and it was down 2-0 and they got blew up by 40 in both games, and then now that Kyrie's down, and then the next game hard and gets hurt, and now y'all go and beat Brooklyn in seven games. right If that happens, then you oh I can understand you saying if it wasn't for those injuries, y'all wouldn't have made it because y'all was down to 0 and y'all own teammates didn't believe y'all could win.
00:14:40
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until everyone got hurt. So that's different. But what Boston did is outlast everybody during the season, get the best record, get home, court advantage throughout the playoffs, keep all their guys healthy and go into the playoffs with the number one seed. And and and and they and they they got through it other than Pozinga is getting hurt, but other than that, they got through it. They was built right. There was built other the right stuff and the other teams weren't. so And that's exactly where they were constructed the right way. As you mentioned earlier, Brad Stevens did an amazing job of piecing this team together after losing Marcus Smart, which you mentioned earlier, which was my heart. I was so sad the day we traded him. Um, and then we got Drew and I'm a UCLA fans. So I was like, okay, all day, we got my brewing in here. Let's do this. Um, and you got Porzingis who by the way, let's not front, he would still be a number two on any other team in the league right now if he wasn't on Boston. So my thing is.
00:15:35
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Even if those people were healthy, like, you know, Halliburton missed a couple games, you didn't have Donovan Mitchell, you didn't have Jimmy Butler, so on and so forth. I don't believe that stops the Celtics. The Celtics were ranked in the top three in offensive and defensive efficiency, which if most people know, you need to rank at least in the top 10 and both of those to pretty much be a champion most years. There are some outliers. um They also had 122.2 points per 100 possessions, which is the best in and NBA history. So these things we have to look at. You have a 64 and 18 record. You're dominating the competition. You know, we have to look at.
00:16:10
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uh, how far this team was that was more dominant than the other teams and not just, okay, they played some either, you know, inferior competition in terms of the people saying, Oh, well, you know, the, they lucked out because the Nuggets had to play the Timberwolves and then the Timberwolves had to play the Mavericks. And those were all bad match-ups, which I agree. I totally agree with that. That make that's, that's right. But that, I mean, why is that our fault? We didn't play the Nuggets. I would have liked to play the Nuggets too. I wanted a better series. Yeah. Nuggas would have got clapped in that series too. Nuggas ain't had none. It was Boston's year this year, man. They they proved that throughout the, from from from the tip off or the first game of the season, they proved it. They was the best all year round. they had a they was they They had a mission in mind. There was focus, all of that good stuff, man. And they did what they were supposed to do, man. Kudos to them. and The front office for sure, man, for bringing their holiday empoisinges, man. That there was huge.
00:17:06
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And so what are your thoughts? Is repeat possible? Dynasty possible? What are we looking at here? I mean, if you if you're going into it, I mean, not knowing what the offseason thing, you know what these teams are going to do, because I hear I hear Paul George might be signing with some team out east, you know, so heating up in Philly. You know, Phillip was already a problem with Maxi. So if they add if they add ah Paul George. You know, um that made them that much better. I don't know what New York is going to do. Maybe Paul George ends up in New York or they make a play that would get Michaela Bridges, who knows? So we got to see what the other teams are doing. But ah definitely Boston will be able to bring back their same squad from this year, next year, as far as the top eight players, depending on if Al Horford wants to retire or not, because he's got one year left on his contract. so
00:17:58
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um ah Yeah, they gonna be in the running for sure. They'll be in the running for sure. um Maybe even the favorites.
00:18:08
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you know so ah And who knows, they might add somebody. Let's go. Let's go. And you know what I can I can I can already update everybody just to let y'all know um since obviously I have my my sources with the Celtics Al Horford stand. He already says come back to play next year. Derek White and Jason Tatum's extensions are both going to get done. They said he's they're definitely signing in Derek White. So all of these things are going to be paying some luxury tax boy. Yes, sir. I was just about to say that. So, you know, we talked about, well, you saw my comment last night, the second April, right? So, tell you know, talk more about that. You were talking about that last night. I can't speak too intelligently on that, because I haven't read that whole, that whole CBL. All I've heard was people on ESPN talk about how, how, how it's structured and how that second apron, you know, ah comes into play. But I can't speak intelligently to it. I have to, I have to do some more research on that. But I mean, but the the gist of it is,
00:19:08
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You know, ah teams is going to be heavily taxed in some type of way and it's just not it's it's just not financial tax. and It is also conversation and draft picks, ah dependent on depending on how far ah past the cap you are. So ah keeping max players, multiple max players. yeah kind of get anything close to a super team with three superstars is gonna be very hard on a team penalty wise. So what Derek White is probably gonna be asking for? um
00:19:46
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Sheesh. I mean, yeah, I would do it to see if we can repeat, but at some point, if they don't repeat, they're going to have to cut some people, not cut, but trade some people like they're white and possibly Porzingis too. Yeah. So, I mean, like you mentioned those second apron, third apron, the higher you get, not only like you said, financially, you get penalized, but in draft positions. So again, I'm with you. I don't know what the exact specifics, but I know it's like, if you're in the second apron, you can lose 10 draft positions, which means you can easily move from the twenties to the thirties or the tens to the twenties, which in the NBA, we know, especially in the first round, it could be a whole damn superstar.
00:20:29
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You know what I mean? So like, depending where you're sitting at. So definitely they got to watch out for that. But like you said, they're going to run it back this year. Whatever happens, hopefully they win it. But if they don't, as you mentioned, I could see, I would trade Porzingis and even possibly Derek White at that time. I think you got to keep the core of Tatum and Brown together with how young they are at this point. Yeah, they data data ah the Jordan Pippen of, I mean, they're not as good. They Jordan Pippen like, but shooting guard small for tandem. They are what we wanted Kawhi Leonard and Paul George to be. So they actually don't remember when they first bought Kawhi and Paul together. We was like, man, two great defenders, two great scores, you know both on the wing. like you know We haven't seen nothing like this since Jordan Pippen.
00:21:19
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And we wanted that for them, but their injuries, ah you know, ah piled up on them more than doing someone like Boston and ah with Tatum and Brown. So they're able to live live out what we wanted to see in l LA with Kawhi PG-13. I think that's interesting.
00:21:36
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Yeah, no, you're completely right about that. And I agree about the PG going to 76ers. I think he fits ah amazing there in that offense with GOL. And I also think New York he could fit, um you know depending what they're doing with Randall, if they figure they want to trade him or whatever it is. ah Christian, what is good and what is up to everybody else watching? Thank you for joining us here at Ball and Buds, banter, brawls and bravado. Go ahead and smash that subscribe button. If you aren't subscribed to Ball and Buds, please do. at Ball and Buds B-A-L-L-A-N-D-B-U-D-S and as well, Man Down Sports as we have our brother Mel here today. So also we have another brother coming in now and I'm glad he's coming in here because I'm about to ask Mel about the Monty Williams news today and this is a Suns fan so Monty Williams was their former coach.
Coaching Changes and NBA Dynamics
00:22:27
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We bring in our combat sports insider from Ball and Buds
00:22:31
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club or D the combat G. What is good? My brother. What up? What up? You guys know what it is. You can see it over my finger. There we go. Juneteenth. We're here. We're rocking. What we talking about? mo Yeah, so I'm just about to ask Mel about the news today. Obviously Monty Williams left the Suns, was signed by the Detroit Pistons last season to a five year $65 million dollars contract. The Pistons went on to have one of the worst records in the league, 14-16 wins. I can't remember exactly what it was. One of the worst records in the league. um ah Now,
00:23:12
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There is some backstory to this. As a Suns fan, Clubber D knows that ah you know more than I do about Monty Williams himself. But the backstory to this is Monty Williams didn't want to sign at all in the beginning with the Pistons. But they kept upping the ante and upping the money until he signed. um there's There's family reasons in that. I'm not going to say what. You can go Google it if you want. But there's family reasons into why he didn't want to coach last year. Um, so that being said, he has now been fired after one year and they have to pay the rest of this sick for a franchise that is completely disastrous at this point in time. And I mean, they got some good young players. Let's not Kate Cunningham. We got a couple of young studs there, but the organization is run very, very just horribly.
00:24:04
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And now they're they're doing this to themselves. Mel, let's start with you. What are you hearing about this situation? I ain't hearing nothing but just just my opinion. I mean, they're probably doing Monty a favor and they realize I mean, there's no need to have this nice car park park inside the projects, man. let's Let's just go ahead and get a. We're not we're not we're not built to have someone who can actually carry a team through the playoffs because, you know, it we should have some young first year coach coaching these dudes and growing with them.
00:24:40
Speaker
You know, ah so I mean, it it is what it is. ah But he wasn't the right fit for it. And they they realized it early and and was like, let's go in a different direction. I think I probably think it was mutually honest with you. Yeah, I'm sure, again, he didn't want to coach before the season. So I'm sure that, you know, he probably was OK with it. And obviously he's got it. He's getting paid all that money regardless. So I mean, hey, I'd be happy to get 60 million dollars not to coach clubberty. What are your thoughts on this? Uh, first four most shout out to mountain Williams. That's a French's birds own, uh, first bird Virginia. So that's not too far from us, but, um, it took over the pistons and that's like taking over.
00:25:20
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George Mason going into into the pros. I mean, they weren't going to be good. They're not going to be good for next three to four, maybe five or six years. and Look at the East. It's pretty stacked right now. So he came into a bad situation for them to give them all that money. I mean, he was he's a good coach. He brought us back from we were trashing a bubble to where we got to and NBA finals. But, you know, it's not like he was, uh, you know, Phil Jackson or a real time John, John, which is somebody like that. So I don't know why they gave him all that money. But, uh, I mean for him, he's getting paid. Let's just call him to the the NBA version coach wise of Albert Bell. You know what I'm saying? He's gonna get all this money and sit on the sideline when Orioles paid him back in the days. so That's basically what it is.
00:25:58
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I ain't heard that name in a while. I know, right? I was like, Albert Bell of Cleveland Indians fame. Sheesh. All right. The He's like Bobby. There you go. He's Bobby Bonilla of basketball right now. Don't do that. who's gonna be Don't do that. I think Bobby Bonilla just stopped getting paid. He just stopped? Don't do that. Just like last year or something like that. Mm-hmm. Y'all stop doing that to me. Y'all stop doing that to me. No, he's not. Stop being paid. No, we're still paying him until 2035 dogs for the next 10 years. Hey, that's a double Walmart. That's a negative and positive. Okay. Yeah. The Mets are doing that, but he's Puerto Rican. So it's another Puerto Rican making money. So, you know, be happy. All right. Be happy. He negotiated his tail off, boy.
00:26:41
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That ain't making money. That's a straight-up heist. That is a highway robber. That's a lot of mofongo he buying. That's a lot of mofongo he buying. God, look, Jesus. And so, yeah you know what I'm saying? And so this is where I was going to move into this. And thank you for the comments, everybody. This is where I was going to move into this. Monty Williams, you know, the Lakers were looking at him before the season started. um Apparently, they have no interest in looking at him now that the talks have further progressed with JJ Redick now. um So Mel, what are your thoughts on the Lakers search? And that's a perfect segue, because we're going to get into leblan LeBron, LeBron here in a second. What are your thoughts on the Lakers search? They went through ah Dan Hurley. They had those issues with and they looked at James Borrigo. And now they're now they're going with a podcast ah partner in crime, JJ Reddick. What are your thoughts on this?
00:27:31
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um I'm tired of thinking about it, to be honest with you, man. just i mean black
00:27:38
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because I know whatever they end up doing ain't gonna make no sense. You know, uh, you know, they're not, I mean, every, every, every ever since the bubble, nothing has made sense. First of all, go tell me about it oh going into the bubble didn't make sense at all, right? um So it was only right that the Lakers won it, right? The end season tournament didn't even make sense. So it was only right that Lakers won it, but everything they've done since the bubble. ah Let's get rid of Dwight. Let's get rid of Danny Green. Let's get rid of all these dudes with playoff and championship experience who want to play defense, who want to a sacrifice for the team. Javelle McGee, Dwight, Danny Green.
00:28:18
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Cottwell, Kuzma, let's get rid of all these dudes. Let's bring in Westbrook, right? ah that That made no sense, right? They bought in Westbrook. Why? Because Brooklyn made a splash with some of the moves they did. And they didn't want to be left out the conversation as far as the media and the noise. So if y'all keep talking about Brooklyn, because they got a big three with Hart and Kyrie and Durant. And LeBron's head, hey, look, I know how to get i know how to win back the the ah the conversation. I know how to get back in the limelight. LeBron and clutch sports and Rich Paul, they're very good at that. Notice every time it gets quiet and someone's talking about somebody else in the NBA, Rich Paul and LeBron
00:29:06
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jumps out with something very big, right? Whether he coming out and saying, and right, Kyrie the most skilled player ever, or he's jumping out and saying, Brian can play better than like, he don't want it to ever be quiet for too long about discussion about him, right? So when he looked over at Brooklyn and seeing everyone talking about them, he said, let's make a splash. Let's go get Westbrook so we can have our victory with AD Lebron and Westbrook. So it didn't make back his basketball sense. And for somebody to say that he's a savant mentally and for him to be on his podcast, talk about how he could flip plays at eight and how he was so good at this. And he knows that I know he knew it wasn't a good fit basketball wise for Westbrook. So why did he do it? He did it. for
00:29:51
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He did it for the attention. He did it for it to be part of the conversation. And he knows the NBA will help push and market them if they can make themselves a story. right He did it for the story. So that's what he did. So nothing is making sense. Nothing is going to make sense. They're just trying to make splashes. what How can we make a splash? It ain't basketball since they're talking about. So I know whoever they hire is just going to be for the storyline. I mean, it is what it is. I mean, why why even fri fire Frank Volga if you thought The bubble ring was the hardest ring in the world. That makes Frank Vogel a very good coach if he was able to coach out through a bubble ring. So how did he get fired the the very next season? Well, Mel, this is one thing i was I was listening to the show the other day. a Shout out to Bi-line Sports and Omar's on air with Flo with Canteen and and and and and Jake.
00:30:40
Speaker
And this is the thing, you're saying this is an asterisk for the Celtics, but we know it was an asterisk for the Lakers in the bubble. and so gentlemen But what was the 50 game season with the Spurs? and Was it 99? Was that not an asterisk i also? You know what I'm saying? i wouldn't No, I wouldn't say ah because because the bubble was an asterisk because the grind of the playoffs, we know the playoffs is a grueling thing We just seen how everything ramped up as far as people not getting fouls the way and them allowing Physicality doing the playoffs and stuff like that. The playoffs was totally different, right? Especially this year and then you're traveling, you know see no travel City you got we just people accusing Kyrie for not being able to handle the Boston crowd and it was getting in his head because he had three of his worst games the um Other thing because he was playing for Boston. So ah crowd noise traveling
00:31:31
Speaker
the grueling ah back and forth of City to City and all that stuff, all of that is a grind. And that grind wasn't there for the bubble. So when you look at the Spurs 50 game season, yeah, the only answer is that they played less regular season games, but they still went through the same playoff grime. That's when it gets really tough. They went through the same grind in the playoffs. That's why we look at that and hold it in high regards and we hold the bubble in low regards. But that's extra grind that goes into the playoffs. You're more healthier than the playoffs if you're not playing. That's a fair point. I agree with that. That's why I put an asterisk by it because you know what I'm saying. I agree. Right. But how many asterisks? So that means the Lakers got two asterisks because they not only had a shortened season, they also didn't have a grind. So you can give the Spurs an asterisk, but you got to give the Lakers two.
00:32:21
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And I feel sorry for Anthony Davis doing that whole stretches. I mean, he's he's a big dude. He yeah you got he got a big note. So his national give him a lesson like that every time they played, you know what I'm saying? that oh Like, come on. it was It was a regular swab for that one. They had to get like, you know what? I'm shocked G, the one who put the satin on your panties. The slowest cookie tomorrow. I'm like, come on now. but yeah mean um So we've got comments pumping in. Some people are saying bubble bullshit. Some people are saying that it wasn't an asterisk. I obviously the Celtics fan hate the Lakers, so you know what I would say. But that's why I'm now giving my opinion. um But I think that you just eloquently put it that, you know, and stated that when you don't have to deal with the rigors of travel, you don't have to deal with the opposing fans and all these other things that came into playing in a cushy, ah centralized Disney world environment.
00:33:19
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um uh was conducive to helping to to not making it as tough as a postseason agreed um cool well let's go ahead and move it on let's go on to LeBron uh i know right
00:33:36
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ah so So earlier, Mel, you mentioned, as we've been talking about LeBron and the Lakers now and the coach that they may go after and how everything's a disaster, how he's trying to put round pegs in square holes, so to say, ah ah one of those could be drafting his son.
LeBron's Influence and Future Drafting
00:33:54
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or having his team or a team he wants to be on draft his son. And so right now the reports are that you know Rich Paul has been restricting ah you know informational interviews and things to the Lakers and Suns and now it comes out today that ah they're looking at that three other teams could possibly be looking at him
00:34:17
Speaker
um You know, his draft stock has so widely varied because he's LeBron's son um when technically he had one year at USC where he played out of position and didn't play well well at all. and has it gone anywhere from a late second round to at some point, he was a lottery pick, which I could not believe with my own ears and eyes. ah Tell us your thoughts on this kind of nepotism, the power that obviously LeBron yields as he always has and now does over this franchise.
00:34:51
Speaker
The nepotism. um You know what? If there is going to be some nepotism, as long as it's out in the open like this, I'm cool with it. Now, if you're trying to act like it don't exist, but it does, and we know it is, and you guys like us, like, don't gaslight us and say, I don't see what I see. You get what I'm saying? Like, don't, right don't, don't have, don't have, a you know, ah and a 90% white male coaching ah audience for, I mean, not audience, but ah coaching, um
00:35:25
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ah population for the NFL and then tell us it don't have anything to do with nepotism or or something like that. So when when it's when it's like that and you're gaslighting people and you're and you're telling us we don't see what we see, that bothers me. ah But it is lebron ler himself if because he at the end of the day, he's negotiating with the team and saying, hey I play here, and I sign here, if you sign my my son, which is the same thing Giannis did for Thanasis. We're We're a package deal. But look, universities do that all the time. they they They see two brothers in high school. The younger brother is the better brother. So what do they do?
00:36:07
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Let's give the older brother a scholarship. So we have a leg on the competition at getting a younger brother. That's what they did with the Plumleys and Duke. That's what they did with the Zellers at Carolina, even though the younger Zeller went to Indiana. But, you know, yeah, let's get the older one in hopes to get the younger one. Right. So right. that Football does it all the time. All the daggone time. So I mean, if it when when it's a negotiation, because the other team can say no. you know, when it's a negotiation. I mean, as a group i like other thing, you're like, nah, go kick rocks. We don't want to sign you that bad. But if they if if they agree, OK, we'll draft your son if if if you sign with us. hey It is what it is, man.
00:36:46
Speaker
I'm cool with it. Now, now, what do you think about the reports about Rich Paul say or about the reports about Rich Paul restricting a lot of things to the Suns and Lakers? Does that portend that that's what LeBron is, is wants to do, either stay with the Lakers or possibly go to the Suns and do some sort of super team over there? And then cupby I want you to obviously club comment as well after. I'll let club go first and then I go. Which question which poll or the last one? Either one. Wherever you want to start. Uh, well, I mean, we'll hold on. First of all, you skipped over a man. Comment. What up, Josh? And he says boxing. Check him out. That's my man right there. Good, good, good. Inside on boxing. Check him out. Anyways. All right. Uh, let's talk about, uh, rich ball. So this is a problem.
00:37:32
Speaker
People were complaining that Jason Tatum and, and, and Brown aren't like superstars, I guess. So because they're not superstars, that finals team isn't that great. I don't care. It's a team sport. It's not a one individual sport. Okay. Um, we're, we're fixated on all these superstars and LeBron and rich Paul, people like that are dictating what teams should do. Okay. LeBron, he's a later part of his career. He should be, you know, I understand he wants to say so in the organization, which Paul's popping off, you know, for his client. But somebody's got to stand still, like, you know, we'll do our vision. OK, we don't want to sign JJ Reddick. We saw what happened with Steve Nash in Brooklyn. OK, so why are we just going to sign someone? Because we want because you want us to sign them. So I think that a lot of these organizations, which they're not going to do because they're going to listen to LeBron.
00:38:17
Speaker
um They should put the foot down and say, no, we're not going to do that. See what happens next. You know, I mean, if they do that, what was's the worst what's what's the worst thing that can happen? They win. So, cause it's not working now. He is a coach killer. Look at all the coaches that have coached for him, that have all, you know, uh, walked the plank. So it is what it is. when that's great Yeah. It's like 10 coaches. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah. And that's a great segue, because that was actually going to be my next question, was he has all this power. He's apparently directing teams to draft his son, so that way he can play with him. Even if he comes out with the you know story he came out today, oh, he's not saying that anymore. OK. He already put it all in the universe. We already know it's there. um When you have to deal with these, and and we know LeBron crafts his narrative
00:39:11
Speaker
to fit whatever he wants. We know he has that much power. um So much power that he has been considered a coach killer in the past. um Do you consider him a coach killer, Mel? I mean,
00:39:32
Speaker
Yeah, but he's creating them too. like i mean like i mean people People say the God of the Bible is a murderer, but i if he if he's murdering of what he created, who are the judge to make them? That's just like you come to my house and be like, why are you cutting those potatoes? They're my potatoes. This is how I want to cut them. So if if if I'm your creation, if you created me, I don't have the right to turn around, especially if I'm one of the creations. I don't have a right as a potato to look up and be like, why are you chopping that potato like that? So yeah, if he's creating these coaches, yeah, give Darby Hammers a chance. Yeah, give Talu. Hey, get rid of ah David Black. Give Talu a chance. He's creating them. And and and and when the good king giveth,
00:40:19
Speaker
the good king can take away. So. me so hit Home chocolate. It is what it is, man. And and now he's giving his son a job. So I mean, yes, I probably would. You know, I mean, like, I mean, what what is that? Well, the son Tommy boy, you know, says he's worked for Callahan's going to go around. you Right, right. You know, pretty much. But my little. Yo, Tommy Boy, what a throwback. Geez Louise, that's great. All right, so we got a couple questions here coming through in the chat. ah I think this was a joke, ah but if you want to take this one, Mel, do they resign, to be honest, even with his foreign ACL? I think it's a joke. I mean, if they want to keep you honest, they better resign them.
00:41:08
Speaker
I mean, what look, what a what once you go for a retard, you can't come back. You're so stupid. you Yeah, you can't. I mean, come on, Milwaukee. Oh, they already went for a retard, man. So you can't come back and be like, oh, now we're not going to keep that the Nazis. Nah. Keep the Nazis, because that's that's how you keep Giannis. You better keep the Nazis, yeah. That was that guy. right out Look, I'm not speaking up. No team that went for a retard club. If you, if you went for a retard, man, we, we've, we've got to, we got to, we got to make them stay for a retard. Don't come back to, no, don't come back. The sun, the sun's our chromosome away. So I trust, I know. I drag on vendor. We drafted him. I mean, it just, it just goes on and on. You know, we'd rather raise our rhino train to the Celtics draft and eight Robson traded him all. I know it's.
00:41:59
Speaker
Sun's been, they they've been there ah most of my life. So it is where it is. weird is Please don't don't cancel us out there. Instead, go ahead and subscribe at Ball and Buds and then at Man Down to Sports, please. to take on congratulation cases are word I don't know if you can or not. I'm just trying to get us not in trouble. That's all I'm trying to do. For me, yo it was it was James for me. um Kobe had Shaq. And I think that that tandem was a lot greater than the force that LeBron James has put against us and the the misery that he has brought in me as one single person um instead of Kobe being a duo, although Kobe, I fear as well. So good question there.
00:42:40
Speaker
um ah LeBron is going to take the league minimum to ride the Celtics bench to get it. That'd be great, right? We put him in there. We'll make him Blake Griffin from last year, but he should have stayed this year. He might have got a title. All right. um Yeah, you know, I think most people are tired of his antics at this point. ah We are going to see what tunes in with him and JJ Reddick. You know, it might be a joke, like you say. I think a lot of people would probably think that. Uh, but we'll see what happens. So, uh, all right, cool. Well, now let's move into you guys. Did you have any other thoughts? Yeah. He skipped over a man case on quick. What are you doing? You skipped over a super. No, no, I'm not skipping over it. I'm about to get back to it. I wanted to make sure I highlighted that I was trying to get out the other one. Um, so yes, we got a super chat. Thank you so much. Uh, case on quick.
00:43:34
Speaker
um says these playoffs after the second round was uh boiled dookie water that ain't good oh that's not that's not good is that bad uh is that bad boy do you want yeah can't give you add ice if if it's bored or not bored like it's still like you gotta put the dookie in the water like wow she what these keep those songs for that or was that and oh you freeze in ice cubes okay and then you put it in water It's still but bad. Now, when it boils, though, it's going to take the bacteria away, right? So you're not going to have the. So you could technically eat that on a. You can eat that on a. Yeah. Knowing the style, not a lot of fellows out nowadays, that's good that's not normal. when You don't say a lot of dudes, we do that to the chicks. So no, din no, d no, didtty no, no, no, no, no. The women do it. The women like it. Apparently, I'm not I'm not chasing peanuts.
00:44:30
Speaker
Man, I read a story about these Instagram models that would go to like Saudi Arabia and like do whatever those like princes would want to do because they get paid all this money to go over there, yo. I was like, that's wild. You wouldn't let anybody drop a spicy bite on your chest? Come on now. I mean... that I can't. I can't. Not a million. maybe maybe maybe Maybe a hundred million. I might have to think about it. I may have to do a big interlude. She wanted me to beat a shit on her chest. ah
00:45:03
Speaker
Thank you so much. gala We appreciate you, too. Yeah, you're right. ah where It was. The finals wasn't even that good. Let's be honest. I'm a Boston fan. It wasn't that good. That's why I said I'd rather have seen the Nuggets, because I thought it would have been a better series. um But um you know Mel doesn't think that's the case, either. So ah any other? I got one last, Omar. One last. Yes, please. Because we talk about the Lakers. They played the Sixers. Remember in the finals? Was that 6-13 compared to now? Was that a great team with Matt Geiger? And they had AI, obviously, but you know what I'm saying? How that was back then. You know what I'm saying? I mean, the East wasn't good. Can't talk too bad about them. Sorry, not Denver, but Dallas. Just saying. I mean, but at that point in time, you also, I mean, it was the end of Jordan's career. But yeah, I guess there weren't that many great teams in the East at that point, right? Yeah, Ratliff. I mean, no disrespect, but come on.
00:46:01
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the Oh, Radliff has played on like every team in the league, son. That's great. That's the thing about the East back then is ah all of the playoff teams were first of all, the only superstar.
00:46:21
Speaker
probably was Iverson out of those playoff teams. And he was a lone superstar with no other all-star, right? Reggie Miller wasn't a superstar. He was an all-star, right? You can say Milwaukee and Big Dog, Glenn Robinson, and Ray Allen. That's two superstars and French. Like, I want to count Ray Allen. Wait a second. If you count Glenn Robinson as a superstar, you have to count Reggie Miller as a superstar. I said two all-stars, two all-stars. Oh, all-stars. Wait, wait. Let me say what's for sure, for sure. They're both with all-stars. Now, when you're making all-stars stack back to back to back, that's showing me that you probably got superstar quality. So I would probably say Ray Allen was a superstar.
00:47:11
Speaker
Glen Robinson didn't quite push himself to superstardom. So let's say let's say Ray Allen was a superstar as well. So Allen Iverson, Ray Allen, who else in the East? It wasn't Reggie Miller. He's not a superstar. He's the tail end of his career. He went to the finals. Vince Carter was in Toronto. We would say Vince Carter was in Toronto. So this is the thing. And then I think J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can say J. Kidd was in New Jersey. And you can Either say J. you Kidd had was a team, a playoff team led by all-star with no other all-stars in Reggie Miller's case. He got one all-star, no other all-stars. Or a superstar with no other all-stars, right? And in the West, you had multiple superstars on one squad like Shaq and Kobe, right? David Robinson, Tim Duncan.
00:48:14
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right? ah um Who else was out in the West? But you know, you got multiple. Webbers or Akavich. Webbers or Akavich and all them. I just say Webber. I ain't going to say. st iov But that's so that's so much. You can shoot. He wasn't even an all-star though. So how can he be superstar? Well, he was all-star in Slovenia. So, you know, it's kind of. He's stupid. But what they lacked in having an all-star to pair up with Webber as a superstar, they had so many quality players like Bibby, Divock, Christie, Bobby Jackson, Stajakovic, Turkleu. They were stacked with quality players. Where it was scores at that. And the teams on the East just didn't have that.
00:48:56
Speaker
You know, so they was outmatched man. It was too many good teams on the West man for sure. That's what's up. Yeah, no, the West is. The West has always been really more powerful until maybe like the past few years when the East started turning the tide. But in history, historical for historical purposes, they've always been the the the stronger of the two conferences is the Western Conference, so. Cool, any other thoughts on LeBron James or anything you got going on Mel or any other and NBA news? ah Yeah. ah it's i mean it's It's time for LeBron to get ready for the fair world tour, man. stop And stop pretending like you know he really you really trying to win another ring. and but But I will say this as well. Him and Rich Paul is doing good business because when they sit down and talk to the genie bus and whoever else is making decisions over there, they're not saying, you pay me this much money because I can bring your ring. They're saying, pay me this much money because this is how many tickets I'm selling.
00:49:57
Speaker
Right. So I'm not I'm not the best player in the league. I'm not I'm not the players go lead the team to a ring. But I am. a I am box office. And ah even the even the drama around me brings conversation and ratings. Right. And it's the same thing is going on in WNBA with Kaitlyn Clark. I'm not the best player. um um um'm um i'm not I'm not dominating the league yet, but I am your face because the fans are saying I'm your face. And at some point, she might be able to leverage herself for the whole WNBA, not just her team. Like LeBron can do it for the Lakers. Caitlin might be able to do it for the WNBA and be like, hey, I want 10% of everything. You get what I'm saying? that that's That's how much they're propping her up. And if she live up to any of that height,
00:50:43
Speaker
which she probably won't. But if she does, oh she she got the possibility to be in their pockets. She do. And so let's talk about that because that's a great segue because that is what we were going to talk about next is Clayton, Caitlin Clark. um So obviously, you know, she's the talk of everything that has been happening and in in terms of ah the different controversies going around since she's entered women's basketball. ah Whether or not you're starting with the rivalry that she has with Angel Reiss, shout out my girl, went to the University of Maryland, so love me some Angel Reiss. But the attention that she has gotten over all the other women and women that have come into the league previously,
00:51:26
Speaker
I personally don't even think she's the best player on her team. I think Aliyah Boston is, but she got an infinitesimal amount of hype than Clark did. You go back to Asia Wilson, ah who recently had comments about ah how yeah maybe the African-American women black girls are not as marketable. And that's why. um And she didn't get her shoe deal until after Caitlin Clark got her shoe deal. So there's obviously some possible you know validation to that. And so that's really what we want to talk about is you mentioned the fact of whether she's going to be good or not. That's really
00:52:08
Speaker
That's really outside the purview of what we're gonna talk about today. um She obviously has the skills to be good if she really wants to. um and But what we really wanna dig into is why is she experiencing the intro to WNBA that she is?
Caitlin Clark's Impact on WNBA
00:52:27
Speaker
ah How is the WNBA being affected um by the Caitlin Clark Effect? um How much of that is due to gender, ah race, also ah sexual orientation, and so many other questions that come along with the Caitlin Clark narrative that has been brought in. Now, what I must point out before we keep moving on is that
00:52:55
Speaker
And again, it's not just Caitlin Clark. There's plenty of rookies. Shout out Cameron Brinko. Unfortunately, Torre ACL news came out today. So hopefully she'll be able. Well, I'd, you know, be okay. But so she's not the only one, but Caitlin Clark is a big reason and the WNBA's metrics have been going up across the board. ah They have their most digital subscribers. They had their biggest most few game in 23 years when ah Reese played Clark. Their rivalry is sprouting. ah They're tripling their numbers that they've done on ESPN, CBS in previous years. um you know A ticket sales increase every every month. So we are seeing the progression of women's basketball and the popularity. And yes, I don't believe it's all due to
00:53:43
Speaker
one person, but you cannot put aside the fact that a lot of it is in part due to her and whether that might be because of her. ah Qualities, so so we say versus other qualities in the league. Now, how do you feel about that? Oh, man, it's ah a mouthful and it's a it's a whole bunch of ways you can go that conversation. So no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not now you you summed it up pretty good. and gave us a lot to chew on. So this will probably take some some time and some back and forth um for us to be able to get all of it. So I start here. At the beginning, you said something about her being good or or getting good. I just want to say just to start off, she's already good.
00:54:31
Speaker
Right. So we're not waiting for her to get good. She's already good. We waiting for her to get great. Right. So that she had to be seen if she's going to be great. She's already good. She came into the league already good. Right. She was great at college as a pro. She's good. All right. We waiting for great. Right. So that's so that's first and foremost. But other than that, let's tackle the part on the attention that she's bringing and if it has anything to do with anything other than basketball. The answer is yes. Right. Because and you what you it's not. Yeah. yeah we we We got to address the elephant in the room in order for you to get the attention of millions of people who not only don't like basketball, but even if they did like basketball, they wouldn't be like in WNBA basketball. They wouldn't be like in women's basketball. home So what do you have to do to grab the attention of people who don't even like the sports?
00:55:32
Speaker
Right. Because that's mostly her fan. Most of her friends don't even like the sport. Right. So and what demographic do they come from? Most of them are Miller America, white America. Right. let's Let's let's keep that a book. So yu why did white America cling on to her? Is it because of the threes? Well, that's what they say. But you don't even know what them threes mean because you don't even like the sport. So right it really what it really was was we seen a a white girl playing in ah college basketball, busting black girls' asses that played for these stack teams like UConn, LSU, South Carolina. Oh, man, we got one of our own. We got one. We got our Tiger Woods. We got one. She ripping ass, right? So now you now you get people that was like, oh, man,
00:56:20
Speaker
I'm interested in this girl because now I get to poke and say we got one that's blessing y'all ass, right? You get what I'm saying? Because if it was just about the fact that she bought ratings and all of that stuff, we wouldn't have had those same people talking down on prime, Coach Prime last year when he was bringing ratings. They had so much to say about Coach Prime when he brought ratings. So we know it's not about the ratings that she's bringing because y'all didn't want Coach Prime to get nothing. Y'all didn't want him to get a prime time game. Y'all didn't understand why y'all didn't and yeahall y'all didn't even understand why he was even on TV. Why is he getting all this? The coaches was jealous. And what was the people on yeah ESPN saying? The coaches are not jealous. We're just tired of you walking around here wearing them shades at press conferences. that was on the spot That was on the side of the coaches that was against Prime. That was on his side, right? So now there is is is' a different it looks different. You're s singing a different tune, right? so
00:57:13
Speaker
so so let me So let me go ahead, let me let me let me finish walking down this road. right so ah So we know it's not just basketball. We know we know what the real is. Y'all got a great white hope, this whooping ass, and she's very good. So let's get behind her. Then it gets real political when a black girl beats her in the national championship and ends the Cinderella story that y'all was looking for. not only did she beat her because remember she beat South Carolina who was undefeated and the narrative about the South Carolina girls is that they were bullies and they're thugs all because they was bigger, faster, and stronger. So how did they call that South Carolina game? They let the girls from Iowa maul South Carolina bigger girls to make the game even.
00:58:03
Speaker
Right? They even the playing field by calling the game ah in a way where you can just jump on the South Carolina girls back and say, South Carolina, if you're going to win, you're going to have to win with the tails slated toward your opponent. And South Carolina couldn't pull it off, right? So they just knew Kaitlyn Park was go finish your Cinderella story. And LSU and Andrew Reeve stepped in the front and said, not so fast. But not only did they beat her, because they would have been mad even if they beat her, right? right But now what you matter not what not only did they beat her, she taunted her with her own time.
00:58:38
Speaker
And immediately, immediately you've seen people run the Twitter and call Andrew Reese every name in the book. And that's when the media was part of the business. And this one, this became political and this one, this became a race, a racial divide. So now everyone coming in and seeing in Megan Kelly and he's, I'm like, man, y'all ain't never even read, uh, uh, what he said.
00:59:05
Speaker
um but I'm gonna tell you how how bad they were ah ah at the sport. When they reported on it, they was having to read off the paper. ah They didn't even know what they was talking about. You get what I'm saying? So it became political when when when people that wasn't even close to the sport start reporting on it. Because now we got a black girl that done tired of the white girl that was supposed to be our champion. And we're not go stand for that we go call her every name in the book and she had one of the worst summers in the media because they was doing they was doing the most on injuries. So attack that summer before the season even started, you can ask my guys in the man down group chat. I text them and say,
00:59:44
Speaker
Next year, when the season start, two things is going to happen. One, Caitlin Carr is going to be very motivated. She's going to practice her butt off all out because she's a competitor, and she's a great player, and she's determined. But also, she's going to be fighting downhill. LSU is going to be fighting uphill the whole season, right? Because they're going to make it that way. They're going to get their Cinderella story either way. And then what happened, it happened in the reverse. They beat LSU, and they went and South Carolina spanked that butt. right And when they spanked it, they spanked it good. And they made Kaitlyn Clark look very average in that championship game. So that's what this is all about. So the fans that fell in love with her in college, we've seen great college players in men's sports and women's sports be very great. We've seen JJ Reddick be very great. He scored more points in the ACC than Michael Jordan did. We've seen ah Tyler Herrinsburg be very great. We've seen Adam Morrison be very great.
01:00:41
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And you see Gemma for that be very gay, right? And i'm my Gemma for that and Adam Morrison was was playing just like Kaitlyn Clark shooting threes from all over the place. But what do we know about men's sports? Yeah, you can you can be that player that's owned like you can be a senior. in college and own the ah college sports because most of the great players in the and NBA leave their freshman, sophomore year. So if you happen to stay four years, like Hansborough did, and Aaron Morrison did, and Gemma Fredette did, and JJ Ritter did, yeah, you can look really good. But we know as soon as you get in that league with them grown men that's bigger, faster, and stronger than you,
01:01:21
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you're gonna come down a notch. And that's what people knew about Caitlin Clark, especially after the watching how South Carolina defended her with bigger, faster, stronger females that can take her out of her game by themselves. Not with help, not with double teams. Raven Johnson defended her by herself and took her out by just guarding her right and not giving her that opportunity to step back to the left and shoot that three. Made her look very pedestrian. So people knew this goat talk that they're talking about when you she gets in the league is gonna look different. And what happened, she got to the league, proved us right, proved the media wrong. And now the same people that jumped on the bandwagon just for a great white height is watching these girls defend her like this. And now they're blaming the girls. You're jealous.
01:02:05
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your, your, your, your races, all this, all these things. They even said her teammates was jealous of her. They said the NBA itself was WNBA itself was jealous and and then want her to succeed. Every time she doesn't se succeed, it is never that she's inadequate in any way. It's because ah you're playing defense on her only because you want to stop her cause you're jealous. right? That's the basis of of all of this. it's It's very racial, it's very political, and everyone is using Angel Rees and Caitlin Clark to take their political sides. If you hear them talk, they say, ah this is black girls and lesbians against a straight white girl. Right? So that's all it is. and No, as you can say that's the thing, right? The elephant elephant in the room is that she is the straight white girl from Iowa versus a league that is full of
01:02:57
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Obviously, it's so many straight white girls in the league. It's so many straight white girls in the league, it's ridiculous. You think Cameron Brink is not straight? You think- You think- You're a boyfriend. You get what I'm saying? It's people that's married to men in the WNBA. Don't let the media tell you it's lesbian black girls is mad at her. It's a lot of straight white girls and straight black girls in the league. Skylar Diggins, straight. Sure, sure. Man, we're kids. I'm not buying it at all. I'm not i'm not buying it at all. no no No one is looking at her and saying, oh, you're straight. I'm jealous of you. I'm going to play defense. That don't even make sense. like no one' do No, but if you're if you're juxtaposing where she stands and where some of the other girls stand, I'm talking about more from just like a marketability promotional standpoint. Like if you're looking at where she is and you you know juxtapose that with Brittany Griner,
01:03:55
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Right. Then you see where that political divide is. Then you see where that racism starts to seep out. they wouldn bring their I wouldn't even bring it up. I mean, that's that that's that's like saying Michael Sam didn't make the Cowboys because he was gay. But he didn't stay in the league for a while. And could that be because he wasn't gay? No. No, he wasn't that good. He wasn't that good. Michael Sam. For the Raiders came out. And then two years later, he was out of the league, but he was good enough to start for us. Before you. and That's that's fine. But with Michael Sam, even when you when you play for Canada and he was doing a show with Oprah, they were saying he's a prima donna and cared more about the the reality show than football. Karl Nassman came out. Yes, he came out as being gay and he stayed at two more years after that, but.
01:04:44
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He wasn't good enough to stay in the league and kind of like what Mel saying, you know, I will say this, um, I agree with you. Um, you got to understand us, us as people were tribe was tribalism. You know what I'm saying? You like to go with what your tribe is at times. And you know, it's like everybody was when it's a St. Patty's day, you see people out the woodwork putting, you know, uh, Oh, my cousin's ah third cousin's Irish, you know, yeah so when they see somebody doing something in a sport that they don't see a lot of their own doing, you know, they won't jump to that. And I totally get it. And I understand it, but. The fan base you're building is not really the fan base you want because where she gets hurt tears or ACL, are they still going to watch the sport? You know, there's a lot of women that complain about equal, equal pay in which they should get good pay. But you got to understand, put butts in the seat and then you'll get paid. You're not just going to get equality just out of nowhere. You got to be like like Ronda Rossi said, if best, you know, I put assets in the seats. That's why I make millions. So
01:05:41
Speaker
The people need a support and instead of always hating instead of going towards, you know, the NBA. Oh, they should get more money. and better out Do you watch the game? I mean, I don't watch, but you know, well, you know what? Shut the hell up. Okay. I let you watch. Be quiet. Okay. just And Caitlin Clark, be honest with you, they should not make her a point guard. They should have her a shooting guard. The same thing she was in a in and ah in college because she's going to probably set the record as most turnovers in the WNBA her working year. So I think they should put her back to shooting guard, which she was and actually naturally that is. because she's not a point guard in WNBA. I'm just saying that. That's my two cents. Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's a good point, man. But, and but she passes very well. So it, it just depends on how you know, as a rookie, I mean, she's not leading and and leading he's leading the rookies in a, this, my bad, the record for turnovers also. So she definitely leading in turnovers.
01:06:33
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she Give or take. What do you want? yeah sherover's always kind And she and she and she's she and she's most games getting more turnovers than assist. So it's almost like it's counseling each other out. But but um ah back back to the how you you said i I sent for her. You said you said supporting. ah you You said they should support more. No, I'm saying that it's it's it's it's tribalism. That's why people are supporting her like that. The middle America folks. And the most insulting thing is we see it, and we know what it is, and they can continue to just have to tell us that's not what it is. you know like like i was talking I was talking to a guy on my channel in the comment section about the Olympic part. And he was saying that she she should be on the team for popularity. And I was like, well, how far does that slope slide? That's a slippery slope. Because if the most popular girl should be on the team for the sake of growing the sport,
01:07:23
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just for her popularity, then what about the second most popular girl? Should she be on the team too? Because what's more than one too? So if I can grow the sport with one person, guess how far I can grow with two people that's popular, especially if they're popular with two different, separate demographics. So if you're saying let's put Caitlin in just for popularity, would you put Andrew Reese in just for popularity? It don't make sense. Like, like you know, when when you're not blinded by your own um biases and you give them the just when you juxtapose it with something that they're not biased for, then they can see correct. Right. So, yeah, you're telling me Caitlin, she get there just for popularity, not earning it um ah as far as basketball attributes, but just popularity.
01:08:07
Speaker
All right. book And you're saying because you want to grow the sport. All right. Good. Well, let's let's grow it even more. Let's add Angel as well. Well, no, no, no, no. Let's not go to the Nana. OK. Now you get it. Now you get it. Shaq got snubbed for Christian Latener. People remember that 90.
Olympic Team Selections and Marketability Debate
01:08:22
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Was it 92? The dream team. So Shaq could have been on that squad. They said they had too many centers to put in Christian Latener. So and everybody wanted Shaq to be on there. it didn't make basketball sense though. It really didn't, it really didn't make it basketball sense. the you know it just it It was just no need for him on that squad with David Robinson and Pat Ewan. Just no need. And you know that's a really great point though, cuz let's think back to that. Because I mean, we all remember that team, obviously led by ah Jordan, Magic and Bird. Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Bird into England.
01:08:55
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I mean the whole team down to the 11th man John Stockton was great. ah But Christian Ligner was the 12th man. He just came out of college from Duke. Aside from some pictures, he never got much run. He didn't get in, you know, he wasn't seen very much other than just in like practice and stuff like that. So with her marketability above these other girls, Would that even matter putting her into the Olympic team when all she's going to do is sit on the end of the bench anyways for the whole entire time? Yes, you're going to bring those fans in her fans that middle white America that we talked about. But how many of those are watching Olympic basketball? Probably not very many. I mean, if you if you can even find I might like money I'm on a contrary with this. I actually would have put her on the team because
01:09:43
Speaker
um This is a turning point for WNBA. They have nobody on in their atmosphere who's giving attention. She's getting okay. This is generational attention that they're getting and I would have put her on the squad. But that's it for me. I look at it as a way to showcase everybody else. Yes, people are going to tune in because I remember the redeem team as well. The homie Peach's house watching the redeem team at two in the morning and ah when they're fighting when they're playing in China. um You can have her on the team, but you can showcase Asia and all these other women. And that way, like someone, a passive fan can say, oh wow, that girl can do, that girl can do, well, Caitlin finally gets in the game. So that that way, and maybe a small section can kind of start watching WBA besides Caitlin and the Clark and watch as other players thought are pretty good as well. so
01:10:29
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ask That's for my... She don't have those type of fans though. She don't have the type because because those though. Because those same fans ah that are coming to the WNBA because of Kaitlyn, when they see Kaitlyn on the court and they see Kaitlyn get whooped by these girls that's better than her, are they then saying, oh, I didn't know it was girls that was this good. I'm going to go start following that girl as well. No, they're not doing it. They're saying why are you guarding, why are you defending her like a professional basketball player? Why are you doing it? Let her spin. yeah If you want to get money, let her ah shoot her shots. Don't foul her. Don't do this. don't i mean it that All it is is saying I want to see Caitlin do what she did in Iowa because I want to see
01:11:14
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I don't know whatever their motivation is, but they're not, they're not, they're not coming to the game and finding out new talent and following it up. Cause they don't like basketball. They had, they had no choice. This is their only way of getting eyes, even though this, I i totally get what you're saying. I'm with you on that. But to get the small pocket of folks that might not be part of them to say, hey, you know what? I'm going to watch it anyways, because Kayla Clark went to my school, or you know she shoots threes. I can't wait to see her get in the game. If you see somebody like like Plum or Wilson, like, oh, snap, they're going to actually play. Let me follow that a little bit. They could be out of 10 people. It might be one.
01:11:51
Speaker
Okay. not don They're not doing it. They're not doing it, man. I just watched the Phoenix game the other night. its it was It was four girls on Phoenix team that shoot better than Kaitlyn. Four. Oh, okay. Connecticut might win it all. um'm I'm not going to win. No, not Connecticut. oh i'll say i go I'm not going with Connecticut to win the whole thing. Oh, yeah, they might. Yeah, yeah. They're in the Liberty. But with Brittany Griner coming back, ah she got Phoenix looking real good. I mean, she's a mismatch for everyone, even Asia Wilson. Brittany got a... a boy sometimes. she Brittany Griner, man. Hey, that's a six, seven, six, eight a girl out there, man. a anybody ain Ain't anybody got nothing for. I'm not going to say it. But look, ah so look, I got two things on because something that you said, Omar, yeah ah that and my my my kids, my daughter's got a book called, If You Give a Mouse a Cookie, They're Going to Want Milk, right? They're going to ask for milk.
01:12:46
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So if, if you give Caitlin Clark a spot and I'm somebody give because she didn't earn it, if you give her a spot, her fans is going to want her to also get in the game very often. Right. If you get in the game very often, they're going to eventually want her to start. right If you give them a cookie, they're going to ask for milk. They're not going to accept you just putting her on the squad because now what they're doing is using shaming tactics and guilt tactics and race baiting.
01:13:17
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and name calling and peer pressure and pressure in the media to force you to do what they want to see, which is Caitlin Cartes to do what she did in Iowa in college, right? So if you put it on the squad, the next step is now let's see if we can push the envelope even more. Let's see if we can push her to the starting lineup. And if you don't do that, they're going to say the same things. Ah, you're holding back her. You're, uh, you're, you're stopping the money flow. We're going to leave. If you don't do this, like they're, they're threatening to leave the WNBA. If they don't see Caitlin Clark start to spin, right? And they don't change the rules. So she can spin. If they don't change the rules, so she can become unstoppable. They're not going to rest until she becomes unstoppable. And they don't want her to work harder to be unstoppable. They won't.
01:14:05
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They want you to legislate her into the goat conversation.
01:14:10
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You don't negotiate with terrorists. All money ain't good money. And the and Team USA and the WNBA is pushing back and saying, we don't want this. We seen the and NBA go down an impure path. And now we're looking at an impure game that's influenced by gambling, influenced by all types of other stuff. Games are being rigged. Seriously, they're manufacturing superstars and the WA base saying, we don't want that. We want pureness in our game. And if the women is saying this, we want a pure game, then we should we should accept that instead of saying, no, you should do it like the WNBA and be very impure and fake and all of this crap. They don't want to be like that. And that's why I like watching them. That's why they still physical now. How are the women more physical than the men? They ain't got no choice.
01:14:56
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a and They can't evolve to that point yet. As solutions oriented, um I like your idea of putting both Reese and Clark on the team. That way you don't expect anybody to start or get a certain amount of playing time, but you still get that rivalry in there, maybe even get them like a magic bird type friendship going on. but a way So you either you would either do one or the other. Right. I'm not saying you would. I'm just saying you would either do one or the other. You're not going to just put in
01:15:30
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Clark, though, per se, for marketing dollars, because then I mean, although obviously as a marketer, she's going to bring a lot of eyes. But as you said, expectations will then start to creep up.
01:15:45
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sure Okay, sure. But ah but but i out yeah, i' I'm not for putting anybody on the squad just for popularity. If it don't make basketball sense, then I'm not i'm not doing it. I'm sorry. we We got time them girl, them girls will be ready for the next Olympics. And they'll probably be leaders on the squad. But ah man, like, I mean, it's it's it's just dumb to suggest and to agree with everyone saying that, yeah, she don't deserve to be on the team. However, she's popular, so put it on the squad. Like, where else did where else do we do that? Like, if we just go to the men's side, who just based on popularity got on the squad when it didn't make basketball sense on top of that? Like, you know, just because Mike was popular and the most popular doesn't mean that's the only reason why he was on the squad. He was also the best on the squad. can't Can we get both? Can we get the best player and the most popular player?
01:16:38
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You can't say because the if if it's just about popularity, like I said, Andrew Reese is popular as well. Then you would, you know, you would have to agree that she ah should be on the squad as well. So that's my thing.
Podcast Promotions and Listener Engagement
01:16:51
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And that's the other thing is, like I mentioned earlier, I think Aliyah Boston is the better player on her own team and she didn't make the Olympic roster. Correct. So. Alright. Word. Well then, hey, I saved one comment, Mel, because this comment is pretty awesome and I wanted to save it because we're in the middle of conversation and I just want to pass it by but this person is from Gambia, West Africa. Tuning in because of you, my brother's phone, if you want to give them a shout out and as well, plug in your stuff.
01:17:22
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Salute, man, to West Africa. When I come to Gambia, man, I need to know where the best place to stay. out I need to know where the best restaurants are at and all of that good stuff, brother. Appreciate you tuning in. Yes, sir. Yes. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in, especially all of Mel's fans. We appreciate you. If you're new here, please subscribe at Ball and Buds, B-A-L-L-A-N-D-B-U-D-S. You'll see Clubber D and myself there quite often, especially next Thursday for our combat sports special, and m MMA UFC Boxing next Thursday, 8 p.m. Eastern at Ball and Buds. Mel.
01:18:02
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ah Those were the main subjects. I had you on but I wanted to bring you on for I know we only Said we were gonna go 30 minutes, but brother that turned into a beautiful beautiful long conversation um i have i callrate a bunch man out And I apologize man, it's just it's just no dick that Caitlin stuff is just like oh man You don't apologize at all, sir, because you're like Caitlin Clark bringing ball and buzz more eyes right now. So you don't apologize, sir. Put me on the Libra squad, baby. Put me on there. Right, right. You you are a call up every time. Oh, man, plug everything. Let them know where you're at, my brother. And thank you again for everything today.
01:18:43
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Man, I appreciate the invite and stuff like that, man. I'm glad Clubber came in and joined us, man. It's always good to chop it up with both of y'all, man. So I appreciate the invite. I mean, you're more than welcome to stay for combat sports, if you want. I'm just saying. Man, I'll be sitting here listening the whole time. I might as well just be in the comment section, man. Combat sports ain't my thing, so you know what I mean? You can have a lib. Split star. How long y'all going to be on the combat stuff? No, just a little walk because I don't I don't think that Tony's coming back. I think he has something pop up. So we're just going to do a quick little box and talk about Tony and Tony. He fired me. It's Tony. He fired. So let's open the chapter. I told I told him to come back on a send a message. So yeah. Yeah, I'm texting him again. But anyways, yeah, go ahead and plug your stuff anyways. And then we'll move into boxing. You can stay as long as you want, brother.
01:19:41
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I'm going to go ahead and head out, man, because I got another guy that I've been Hollywooding for about a week, and I got to help him out with some Canva stuff, man. So he just said- Hey, well, why are you there? Record that video, too. I should. I should. I should. Yeah, you're right. If y'all want to see more of my stuff, man, go follow me on your ah YouTube, Man Down Sports, man. I do a solo show ah once a week, and then we have a full panel that we do on Fridays as well, man. So go and check us out over there, but also on all the other social media platforms, ah Instagram, X, TikTok, ah Facebook, ah look ah for Man Down Sports on there as well, man. so
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01:21:45
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or not. My bad, Brian. I know we was talking about, you know, eating stuff and, you know, we were talking about, you know, chasing peanuts. So yeah, yeah, yeah. That was ah that was a bad. That was a bad time. I don't know who made that comment. But, you know, it's all good. that We got it. You know, we're just joking around having a good time on here. It's banter, brawls and bravado. And that's what we're here for. So now that we have two of us, I'll put that back up.
Tank Davis Fight Analysis
01:22:08
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because We are going to get into Clubber D's boxing combat sports. So again, next week we will have Clubber D's combat sports special where we will go more in depth into everything, including UFC 303 and the fight night that's happening this weekend. But for tonight, we wanted to touch on the most.
01:22:27
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important topics coming down the pipe. And the first thing we want to touch on was the Tank Davis fight from this weekend. Whoo! K-O-8 of Frank Martin, my friend. Tell us your thoughts about this fight. I believe, didn't I say that Tank would get him out around the eighth round-ish? I think I put that on on um the video that I posted ah the pre-fight. But, you know, It's weird, you know, I think, take. Chase him, you know, because Frank Martin was hitting and he would elude, hit, elude, hit, elude. And we were trying to see how will tank look against somebody that wasn't flat footed and comes straight at of him? How would he fight somebody that was elusive? And, you know, tank tank's amazing fighter. I like tank. I'm a big fan of tank. It's just that I'm not a fan of him and the people he chooses to fight. OK, this is first. I want to say maybe his first African-American fighter. He's fought. He doesn't like to fight slick fighters. He likes to fight fighters that who come straight at him. so
01:23:27
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The problem I have with this is that yes, tank look good, but Frank Martin lost that you saw his last fight. Well, he lost that fight. But, uh, you know, he got this tank fight. He's supposed to fight score. Stevenson chose not to fight him. Took them took the fight with tankers in house and. You know, Frank Martin probably won the first six rounds until tanks started coming on. The cards had him winning the first three. The judges had him. I happen to get more than that, you know what I'm saying, to be honest with you. But that's what tank does. Tank loses and then comes back. It's like Mario Barrios just like... He's a slow starter. He's a slow starter. He likes to see what you're going to do and then he's going to counteract. Now, the issue I have, yes, people are like, oh yeah, tanks demand, tanks dis, tanks that. But who's he fought?
01:24:13
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OK, nobody knows who Frank Martin is unless you're a boxing fan. OK, he's not fought. He hasn't fought any of the other champions. He hasn't fought, you know, any of the top notch level of fighters. Yes, he fought Pitbull, but. I mean, who, who was Pitbull? So, right. He's yeah, he's not that great. And and also when he fought Mario Barros at 140, he drained him. He had a weight. He had ah a 10 pound rehydration clause. And Mario Barros moved up to at a catchweight at 136, who he claimed was on steroids prior to that fight. And he had a rehydration clause on that.
01:24:48
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and then now he fights ah frank martin and puts a rehydration clause on him if you saw frank out in the way end he looked like pj from know he looked like he looked like ah tyro bigums you know he like fiftycent for that crackhead role he looked to match my bigham ah he was tiny like frank martin like he was even if you saw there's a video of him saying oh you want to drink some water tanks clouding him saying you won't drink some water like nah i can't do that you know so he can make weight he made weight and he can't go higher than more than 10 pounds so it's like i rock with tank but you know joe rogan but i smoke rocks
01:25:21
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Oh, yeah, I'm telling you, man, he had a couple of macadamia nuts in his pocket, I tell you what. But I just I'm a fan of tank boat. Fight somebody without these restrictions. Now you're saying, you know what, I want to I want to I want to be on the screen. I want to fight Lomochenko. Lomachenko 36 years old. Okay. Like why now you want to fight him when you was beating with Mayweather prior Mayweather was like, uh, he was like, Oh, uh, 10, keep it up. I'm gonna put him in there with Lomachenko. Why would you threaten a fighter to fight another fighter? Like what kind of, what kind of management is that? And Josh, you're right. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't want to fight, uh, Shakur Stevenson because Shakur will say, yeah, it's, well, this is, this is, this is the plan. I think for free me would tank.
01:26:06
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Fight Lomo, he gets that belt. Shakur should fight. ah the the other Ukrainian boxer ah who will beat Navarate, get that belt. So that's- So that's Golubzowski, or whatever his name is. Yeah, so so that you'll have two fighters with two belts, okay? They fight each other, seems undisputed at 135. They should do that, that should be wrapped up by at least next summer, okay? Cuz tanks say he wants to fight in November. If he beats Lomo, you know, saying he got two belts, he got two belts, and this is Shakur Steve's last card.
01:26:37
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oh on top rank. And now Mayweather saying he wants to sign Shakur Stevenson. ah If you look at Tank, he has Leonard Ellaby who was Mayweather's right hand man. Now he's with Tank. And then now we got, look um what's his name? Yeah, we're saying oh too many times. But we got
01:26:59
Speaker
Floyd Mayweather signing Richard Schaeffer who was with a golden boy. So he's he's his right hand man now. So who knows, Floyd Mayweather, his organization might join a disowned and he was trying to get your course he was in sign with him. I'm not sure what's gonna happen cuz the court wants the money, he should get the money. ah I think he will sign with somebody probably Eddie Hearn at match room so he can get that disowned, get that exposure. but um Either way, we need to see Shakur Stevenson, Tank Davis fight. That's the fight we need to see. Yes, you can fight Loma Cenko, but this is not the same Loma Cenko. Loma Cenko's not good against boxers that come straight at him. We saw that with Orlando Salido. We saw that with ah Devin Haney. you know We saw that with Tia Fimo Lopez. Loma Cenko's good, but he doesn't like pressure fighters. And Tank's going to chase you. okay And when ch Tank gets ahold of you, boom, you're going to sleep. so And he might do it back.
01:27:51
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we do have a mailbag question and this comes from our dear friend at the bottom line sports so you can check that out at the bottom of sign sports says that he believes he believes gervonta tank davis uh this is hot take jake believe gervonta tank davis is a all-time all-time okay for for for you listen to the rest of what i have to say He is already top 10 all time. Gervonta Davis.
01:28:26
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I don't know why. I don't know why he said it. I don't know why he he mailed this in. He said he's going to be the next Floyd Mayweather. And he said to ask you, do you agree with him that Gervonta Davis is already top 10 all time? I told him I could think of five Mexicans, five Puerto Ricans, and at least five to 10 black fighters better than Gervache Davis all the time. White fighters also. ah No, he's not. i At age 29, Tank Davis has two official belts, I believe, 130, 135. He's never been a unified champion, so he's only had one belt. I don't see how you can put him up there. um That's crazy. I said the same thing, I was like, what? You know, Shakur Stevenson,
01:29:12
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Shakur Stevenson, Devin Haney, TFP Malopez, Lomachenko, all these guys have been unified champions. So that may have been more than one belt. I don't understand how you can put him up there. you know I like 10 Davis, but if you're gonna say he's one of the best, name me a best, he's fault, cuz you don't know. anymore Okay. Right. Ryan Garcia never fought for a world champion besides Devin Handy fight, which he showed up overweight and he cheated. Okay. So Pedrazo fight. Yes. That was a good fight for him. Don't say that too loud. You might piss some people off. Well, cause they're very, just cause you take a picture with Trump and you're, you fake religious. This is my problem with Ryan Garcia. Okay. If he's so religious, how come he goes on tweets about
01:30:05
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make He wants to take someone's wife and make their kids call him daddy. Where's his Christianity then? Okay. Where's his Christianity when he tweets about, i want to i want I want to go one-on-one with David Haney's mom. Where's his Christianity then? Where's his Christianity tweet when he tweets about, I have sex with Kayla Plant's wife. Where's his religion then? But then you want to say, oh, well, he's he's Christian. It's fine. not Shut up. but Call it all. Call it all out. All right. Ryan Garcia is going to get just tweeted. He wants to retire. So that means that was suspension is coming maybe a year, maybe two years. ah he He's still young enough to get it back on track. So I just don't understand all this. but All this deep riding when it comes to him, it's like the guy cheated. It is what it is. A lot of fighters have cheated. If you look at Eddie Reynosa.
01:30:48
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oh Eddie Reynosa's, uh, what up, Josh? Uh, Eddie Reynosa, he has like five fighters that he has trained or currently trained and have all popped for peds. Okay. So let's all talk about this tank is top five half. who's the five? I would know if taste top five pound per pound, who was the four above him or around him? That's what I want to know. Right now, where would you put him at your top pound for pound? Because before his fight, yeah ESPN ranked him at number seven behind Archer Bebev and above Shakur Stevenson. OK, so Jeff, just in no order, my my top fighters. OK, in a way, you know, the monster. OK, who's it?
01:31:36
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Uh, before better be of Terrence Crawford, uh, and Rodriguez. Uh, definitely in the top 10, uh, Canelo. I know you mentioned every picker, but Canelo, um, ah uh, Tio female, maybe local or Shakur. David Benavidez top top 10. I'm already at 10 right there. So, you know, um I mean, I might put you in there then. Do you not? Do you not rank him in the top five? You're like 11 or 12, you know, saying he's he's top 15. Wow. Okay. Not even top 10. Wow. You got to fight somebody. You have to fight somebody.
Controversies and Challenges in Boxing
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Okay.
01:32:23
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You look at all the people that names resume, their resume beats everybody that he's fought. And you gotta understand, Tank had a chance to fight all these people, but at that time he said that belts didn't matter. So because belts don't matter, he fought a certain style of of fighter. you know yeah Who does Ryan Garcia, who's Ryan Garcia beating? Like Ryan Garcia. Yeah. Thank you, Josh. He's top 15. Yeah. He's top 15. Ryan Garcia has not beaten. Ryan Garcia fought one time for a world title and loss. Uh, okay. He didn't make weight and he cheated. So how do you put them up there? Ryan Garcia hasn't done nothing in the sport. Uh, pit bull.
01:33:04
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OK, people after he fought tank, he got a belt. OK, burials. Remember, he drained burials. He had rehydration clothes on burials and also Mayweather ran over to the corner and was talking to them, which is illegal to do during a fight to say because take was losing around the seventh, to eighth round. So, yes, he'd be burials with him. He drained burials. So. No, well, hey, well, shout out to Adam Hurley. Thank you for all the comments. We appreciate it. So he says, so if Tank were those guys' size, you don't think he beats them anyways, even if he fought them? Is the question there. I mean, Tank could have fought Lomachenko years ago. He could have fought Shakur Stevenson. He could already fought Devin Haney. Tank had the power to fight them but because what, remember, he said that belts don't matter, so he chose not to fight them.
01:33:53
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So, Tay could already be number one pound for pound at this time, but he said belts don't matter, so he chose to fight certain fighters. It's kind of like Canelo Alvarez. Canelo Alvarez gets away with fighting people like Triple G past his prime. He gets away with fighting, oh God dawg, what's the Irish, not Irish guy, but the dude from ah from England. What else down in Nashville? Calum Smith. Calum Smith and people like that to to not defend his belt and fight that David Benavita. So he's been afforded the opportunity not to fight the top fighters. You know, you got to look at opposition. I don't like the monster monster in a while. I understand that he hasn't been able to fight the top competition because there's not that much out there for him. stephen fs Right. There's dead different. Yeah, that's different. Not that much. Right.
01:34:42
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Yeah, it's not that much, but there're they're there for Tank to fight, but he chose not to fight them. And now he wants to fight them. And he's 29 years old. Ryan Garcia, I give him credit because Ryan Garcia was only, what, 24, 25 when he chose to fight Tank. And Tank was older. Devin Haney, this man, was ah he was undisputed at age 24. Shakur Stevenson was a unified champion at age 23, 24 years old. So he did this at a young age because they want to be the best. Hank was like, okay, I'll just get a paycheck and fight certain type of fighters. Now he's damn near 30 years old and doesn't really have a prize fight. So that's why I put that in consideration. Absolutely right. joe and No parts.
01:35:21
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Yeah, no, oh my God, yeah we all know that. He's been ducking and running from him forever. And David Benavidez even said after the last fight that he wants to still move back down and fight Canelo. But if not, then he'll you know stay at light heavyweight. So what do you hear it on that? Well, a lot of people were saying that David Benavidez was a was a bully, a weight bully at a light, sorry, at a Super Middleweight 168. He went to light heavyweight, fought the man that ah that was a champion and lost ah lostu David Benavidez. I'm Arthur Benavidez, I'm sorry. and arch yeah You know, here's the thing. um David.
01:35:59
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looked good until it, but he kind of paid it in the later rounds. But I'm like, okay, this dude was 37 years old. I think David would get him a body. But he also moved up in way, you know. yeah you know it's easily's he's a been He's a monster. hes His style is coming straight. He's Mexican and style coming straight at you. But he just like the booboo andre fight in this fight he was doing body shots he was using angles to cut the ring off he was doing a lot of things that not traditional mexican style fighters do okay he's gonna come straight at you but if you try to go this way he's gonna you know counter you you know and give you a left hook a right hook or something like that to kind of keep you at bay so he looks great at this fight it's just a power
01:36:37
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It didn't translate the way we thought it would do, uh, at light heavyweight, but he still, I thought he still looked good. Now, is he going to stay there or he's going to go back down to a 168? That's the question. I don't think he was a weight bully. Like everyone tries to say he is saying that, you know, he just goes down to 168. He could knock everybody out. He's just too big. Um, but regardless of what he does. him versus Vivol should be that'd be very interesting and better be if that'd be a very interesting fight. I don't know if I'd go with better, uh, uh, Benavidez for that fight, but that'd be a very interesting fight to be honest with you. The person you need to watch for at that moved up is David Morrell, David Morrell at, at, uh,
01:37:21
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at ah at at a light-headed weight. That's the guy that I think Canelo really was ducking. Besides Benavita, that's good. David Morrell will knock the race off your face, okay? He was a Cuban nationalist. that got This guy was high-level Cuban fighter. Well, broken for years, and then now he has to move up to another weight class. So I would love to see that fight, but he's fighting on the August 3rd card with Terrence Crawford. Yeah, Adam. And that's what that's what we've we've we battled with forever. Clubber D and I have been having this show for a few years now and talking about it on the podcast and everything, and you're completely right. Canelo will not put that legacy on the line for anything. He's built it up over many a years, and he's he's not willing to risk it all, as they say, ah to fight Benavidez. And we really wish that he would, because believe me, we've we've been wanting to see that fight for a long,
01:38:17
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long time. And like you mentioned, the power did not necessarily translate in this move, but he can always train more and obviously gain strength and all these things too. If he stays up in the light heavyweight division, uh, get better. You did mention Garcia, so we do want to update everybody. Uh, the beast sample was opened on May 22nd to be analyzed. The first sample that came back was, uh, a positive for Austrian. which you're not allowed to have even a little bit as a boxer. Uh, Devin Haney stated that, um, but he was cleared of the NANDRO, uh, the nano ah whatever it is, Andrew Steen. Um, uh, yeah. So now we're waiting on the B sample information to come back. And I hear you have sorry to or bid back no no but i mean ah news on what's what the, what the outcome is going to be for that.
01:39:16
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Yeah, so Ryan Garcia today tweeted that ah he might retire because they they already said that the ruling should come within the next few days because it's been taken forever. okay ah he had 60 times the limit you're supposed to have in your body. um I'm still kind of fishy on that, on that Android 19, whatever it is. That's because that's the Anabox steroid. There are small traces of that, but it wasn't on the B sample. And then Ryan Garcia tried to say it was Ashwagandha. They said, hell no, we don't have that in our stuff. We tried to say it was two different ah supplements. They said, hell no, that ain't in our stuff. So he's been doing all this weird stuff, trying to divert from the the matter of him getting suspended. He just, like I said, he tweeted today that he might retire. So.
01:39:59
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That just means that the commission is probably coming down with their stuff pretty soon. He probably knows what it is. American two year suspension for having that in the system. And he had way over what American had and I was in the UK. So agree, Josh. Yeah. and de around out he's He's legit. So I think um Garcia probably will get a practice of one year. I don't think they're gonna give him two years. They didn't give him one year suspension, but um you know, it's if they're dragging this out and I don't like how the boxing culture is acting like it didn't happen because he shows up to the tank fight what a shirt that says rematch me. and Tank is all being his buddy, buddy, like, oh, yeah, yeah, whatever. We'll see what happens. There's a cheater. Like, what do you what? do why are I don't understand like him. It's not just him. You got big baby Jerome Miller who tested positive like three times and he's still fighting Andy Ruiz. Not Andy Ruiz.
01:40:57
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the You get, it's not like baseball where you can take a drug or whatever and get a better edge, but you still got swinging the bat, you know, so that the hand eye coordination boxing, you're going there against somebody and you're trying to hurt them. So when you cheat, it's, it holds a different weight. Okay. It's kind of like when Brock Lesnar fought bark hunt and you'll see, I think it was 200. No, it wasn't 200. It was, you'll see in New York and, um, uh, Brock Lesnar sued the UFC cause they knew he had a steroids in the system.
01:41:43
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Was it 200? It could have been 200. I think that was 200. Yeah. So Mark Hunt sued the UFC and won because they knew that Brock Lesnar was worded up and they still let him fight. So it's like, you can't, you can't do that stuff, man. And your commission, and what do you think? And so what do you think about what Adam says here? He'd like to see Garcia move up to 160 and fight my boy from Nashville, Caleb Plant. I would love that because you know Well, Kayla Pant will have to move down because Kayla Pant is a 168. I'm sure Kayla Pant will do that because Ryan Garcia got a beer thrown at him by Kayla Pant because he's going around saying that he smashed Kayla Pant's wife. That's not the first person he said that to. He said that about Earl Spence, said that about ah George Cambosa, but Christian Mann. So you talk like that and Kayla Pant said in an interview,
01:42:37
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I know he needs help, but he's going to find it if he keeps it up. Oh, still yeah itll ah said he's gonna find a help me needs he keeps that shit up yeah. Oh, yeah. Do the beer at him. And he went behind his bodyguard, didn't try to act tough. And this is like, dude, you supposed to be X, Y, and Z. You know what I'm saying? You're talking about you have sex with people's wives and X, Y, and Z. And these same fans that want to say, oh, he's innocent. He's this. They don't want to talk about this part of Ryan Garcia. You know, leading up to the fight, we all thought he something was off about him. But then he goes, after he whooped Devin Haney, he's like, oh, you know, I was faking it the whole time. It was just a joke. but And then now it's the mental health again. Like, you can't play the boy who cried wolf. I can't do that. that's That's the one thing I don't like about Ryan Garcia. I can't. I can't stay in that.
01:43:27
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And so actually that's funny that you say that. So we have a mailbag question ah from Third Eye Illumination. It's a great username. And they ask, Ryan Garcia was recently arrested um for trashing a Beverly Hills hotel. ah The mailbag user goes on to say that he actually tweeted back in April that he would be arrested on this day and was then arrested. Do you think this is proof of the Illuminati? Or do you think Garcia went out and got arrested because he said he was going to that day? Well, this is around the same time ah he put out that his mother had breast cancer. And ah I don't know if there's any correlation. I just think it's Ryan Garcia being Ryan Garcia. He said that he knows about William and Grove and all these other weird things. I could be wrong about William and Grove. But he says he knows about the leaks in Hollywood and all this stuff. And I'm like, if you know about the stuff, where's your tell all?
01:44:26
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Where's your Barbara Waters interview? You keep saying you know something, Alex Jones, say something. Where's the proof at? I can say I know a lot, but where's the proof? Okay, so your ass got drunk. I think that's why, ah yeah. No, I'm saying his ass got drunk in a hotel and, and, and, and banged his head, uh, banged his head with, uh, what is it? Uh, motorcycle helmet, against the walls, spray painting, whatever, got caught, and they took your dusty ass to jail. That's basically what it is. I mean, come on. Take your ass to jail. So it's not a conspiracy. He did not already know he was going to get arrested beforehand because there is some Illuminati conspiracy? No. He is doing everything to divert from this punishment he's going to get from
01:45:16
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Commission. That's all it is. It's all the show. It's a joke, man. It's a joke. All right. Well, moving on. Couple more topics here before we logo for the night.
Deontay Wilder's Career Reflections
01:45:27
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But Deontay Walter unfortunately got knocked the hell out. You got knocked the fuck out, Smokey. By Jay Lee. By Jay Lee Wang. I'm about to call the damn UFC fighter. by Jean Lijiang. It wasn't good. He got knocked out. And then right after that, he took another knock to the blow as his fiancé or ex-fiancé is now accusing him of domestic violence.
01:45:56
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Um, what are your thoughts on Wilder? Should he retire? Like everybody, Anthony, Joshua, Andrew, he's all encouraging him to retire. Or does he need to keep fighting? Cause his, uh, uh, apparently a future ex-wife is going to take money from him. Well, first and foremost, everyone listening, and I appreciate everybody who's who hopped on one mail was on and then the, the people that still stuck with us, you know, uh, quite a bit, quite a bit in you guys. So I appreciate y'all. Um, You're gonna get a video of me talking about Deontay Wilder this week, okay? so's already and It's already in the vault. We just waiting to publish this. But here's the thing. um
01:46:39
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Wilders, pre this girlfriend Wilder, he was a different Wilder. um This one, there's there's rumors of infidelity that she was actually creeping on him. with someone else. I was reading a lot of teachers about this. You never saw her lead up to this gang fight. You never saw her, saw him with her. Every other fight, she was right with them, you know what I'm saying? Training and doing all this other stuff. I personally thought that once he got her, she looked amazing and kind of Instagram model-ish. So he went all in on
01:47:15
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Captain Kirk and for her and having her in every interview and all these other things and then really focus as much now that she's not now that he's been losing and he went out like he literally didn't spin again. Okay. He plays ring around the Rosie. Where was he going? Okay. So people say that he got his foot stepped on and that's why he turned around. No, no, it wasn't. it you know first of all shut out to seventeen percent oh you can't see it seventeen percent drip
01:47:48
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black owned glass maker, black panther glass. Anyways, so he should, he should definitely retire. Okay. It's, it's not, it's not looking good for him. And when he got hit, he did a spin of Rooney, looked around, I dropped my keys, turned around and Zang said, here, take another one to go. Okay. she said out warrior but He was looking the complete other way. like it was it was It was bad. And Malik Scott is probably not the trainer for him. Okay. He's not the transfer. Hasn't been good so far. He's not the trainer for him. Okay. He's lost four out of five fights. He's lost four out of five fights. Yes. The Robert Helene fight was not even really a fight. I was like, you know what I'm saying? Show up, get knocked down. See you later type deal. You know what I'm saying? Like it's, it is what it is. So I would say for me, for Wilder, I love, I'm also a big fan of Wilder and you're going to see in the interview. Okay. Check out Ball and Buds or you check out Club or Deal on, on our TikTok, but check out Ball and Buds cause we're going to post it. All right.
01:48:45
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I got a video on, on a little short on, on, on Janate Wilder. Okay. Check it out. It's coming out this week. Wilder and what is something we'll probably never see again. And I'll explain that in the video, in the video. So I'm going to say, well, yeah, it's just, I think that, uh, the, the, the, the limelight's got to him. Um, but. You get the new girl, you get the new all the all this money and you're in a different stratosphere that you were before. And the problem with Deontay Wilder, the second fight with Tyson Fury, when he fired Mark Breeland, who was a gold medalist, one of the best you know amateur fighters of all time, when he fired Mark Breeland, downhill. you know Shout out to him, at least I liked him as a person.
01:49:35
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you know but
01:49:39
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he's Yeah, everything's been downhill since he trainers. um But to be honest, as much as we're talking about him having to retire, I mean, if he still needs to make money to support his family, obviously we know he his backstory. you know He started fighting because obviously he has a special needs child that needs that extra you know care and attention and money. so You know, whatever he does, ah you know, God bless. I i love Deontay Wilder. I've always loved him as a fighter, even though he was never a boxer, even though we know he didn't have the technical skills needed in a boxing ring, even though we know we were just looking for him to get that land, that one, you know, knockout blow. um You know, good on him.
01:50:23
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for as long as he fought as well as he fought for being, you know, not classically trained. um And, you know, fighting for his family. You've got to big up a man that does that. That's true. I mean, I'm a I'm a big fan. And Omar, we're going to do a sidebar real quick before we go. Sure. I know a tease on Facebook that I will talk about my recent encounter with
Lighthearted Moments and Upcoming Segments
01:50:43
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Doug's. If everybody, everybody that knows me and has known me for a long time, Everybody knows I'm terrified of ducks. Ducks, geese, swan, I won't go near them. Yes. Okay. Yes. yeah you get Whatever jokes you want, they're not going to bother me. I've heard them all. yeah Okay. I won't go near a duck, a geese, or a swan. It's hilarious. He'll actually walk on the other side of the street. He will go to the other side.
01:51:08
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I won't go near them. I won't do it. That's who I am. So recently, and I didn't want to say this story, but I was i was cheating on Wegmans. OK, I didn't go to Wegmans. I chose to go to Food Lion near me. And as I was leaving Food Lion, there were some ducks. It was actually two geese that they were near my car. I can't walk my car with them being right there. OK, I can't do that. All right. So what I did. I waited at the entrance until a family came out because the family is a mom and her son. You're so stupid. I will give your son $20 if you can shoo those geese away from my car. You are so stupid. I can't believe you. know I don't care. I don't i don't care. I'll be open and honest. the the The young kid said, I'll do it. He shooed the geese away. No.
01:52:05
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oh oh Once he did that, I got in my car. I looked at my glow compartment for for money. start All I had was three dollars. I gave the kid three dollars and he said, you said twenty. I said, well, that's America. Right. know you did not and is' what it is yeah one it all I thought I had a twenty in there. I thought I had a twenty in there. I'm not gonna lie. This is a for real story real story. Okay. I thought I had a twenty in my car but I only have three dollars. So, I said, here you go. He said, what about the twenty? That's America. Drove off. So, act as well. He's never going to trust anybody again. You have brought in. If I see you attacking Tamil, I owe you 17 bucks. I got you. Alright. But he shooed the dus away though
01:52:49
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It's more than I can do. Hey, you're a kid on the money. You're a kid on the money. That's life. That's life. Sorry. Hey, everybody tuning in. Look, it is what it is. I'm being open and honest. I'm afraid of ducks, geese, swans, all of them joints. Flamingos, peacocks. My brother was in my brother list of Florida. I remember they had like peacocks in his neighborhood and I refused to go outside because the the beer was outside. I'm not going outside. No, there's peacocks around there. There's someone else get the beer. I'm not doing it. So it is what it is. I don't care. Judge away. Not the flamingos. Yeah. Hey, sorry. We missed you, Tony, to the savant tonight. Tony was supposed to join us for the boxing talk. he He logged in earlier, was here for a couple minutes. I was waiting for him to show his face and he never did. And then he
01:53:38
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logged off. So, unfortunately, we weren't able to get him on. We will get him on for the Nexter, Banter, Brawls, and Bravado, which will be ah in the future. So, make sure you're looking out for that. But for now, the next show you need to know about is next Thursday night, 8 PM Eastern for UFC 303. We'll also talk boxing and other combat sports. It will be Clubber D, the Kombat G's Kombat Sports Special. Again, make sure you're subscribed at Ball and Bud's B-A-L-L-A-N-D-B-U-D-S on YouTube and you'll get all of our videos. um ah Thank you, Adam. We appreciate you subscribing and everybody else that subscribes. We really appreciate you. We appreciate our brother Mel from Man Down. That's my man. Please go support Man Down Sports. ah The best NBA coverage I know out there on YouTube. So go ahead and so subscribe subscribe, excuse me, if I could speak.
01:54:37
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to them, that's how tired I'm getting. um And yeah, other than that, again, look out for me and Clubber D next week and the mind of the professor after that and Ball and Buzz were on the rise and we appreciate any subscriptions and any love you give us. Hey, 86 boxing, Josh, I know i know you and Clubber D hit it up well. Come on on through, baby. Come on on with us in the next couple of shows. Let's get you and Clubber D talking some boxing together. So again, we thank you all fans. Thank you all for those that stuck on from man down. We really appreciate everybody again Subscribe at bowling but subscribe at man down sports subscribe at the bottom line Sports and catch them Tuesdays at 8 p.m. And subscribe at Tony thee avant cleverby the ready to combat. you Do you have any final thoughts?
01:55:24
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Yeah. add of here So happy Juneteenth or everybody, you know, everybody should celebrate it because it's not only African-American, it's American history. So let's get that whole out of the way. It's American history. And we got to acknowledge that. OK, other than that, you know, saying we'll be back next week. um The Deontay Wilder video will be will be this week. And I'm working on a video with Uriah Faber as far as one of the best non-champions of UFC history. So that video might be coming in the next week. And I'm going to do a series of best UFC fighters not to become champions. I'm going to do that. And then we're I'm thinking about a couple of boxers and a couple of what ifs. But man, shout out to my man. ah
01:56:06
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Josh, he has a great shoulder. I jumped on his shoulder and I said, what if Tyson fought Riddick Bowes? So I might do a what ah what if boxing thing. o I like that. couple A couple of shorts. So we're working on some stuff, a ball and buzz. So come check us out. You know what I'm saying? Check out my man, Josh at 86 boxing. This man is a savant like Tony. When it comes to boxing, there's a lot of ah old school stuff. And i I have no idea. We talked about Jack Dempsey and all those guys that were at Ashley Knuckles fighting. But I have no idea. Shout out to Omar and his Celtics becoming champions. Let's go. We are champ. We did it.
01:56:45
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All right. And yes, shout out to you team. Uh, you know, we definitely, uh, celebrate and honor our, our brothers and sisters fighting the good fight and that they always have. So we really appreciate that. And we appreciate all of y'all joining us today for clubber D the combat G ball and buds combat sports insider. Make sure y'all subscribe to his new tick tock channel. Y'all he's got a new tick tock clubber. that' right And, yeah, we'll see you next week. We really appreciate everything y'all we're out. Peace.
01:57:19
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Peace with the Americans! That world heavyweight float, championship belt Wrapped around my waist, yo I got that written slam figure blow Slam you on the pace, that's why they call me street pro Create, eat on, be slow Like Jordan after the second time he's pre-heated folks Get ready, set, let's go Fight toe to toe, release the flow Created by this mic pro Lights, cameras, get low Action back, action back, in fact this monster will grow y'all better let him know Man with the master plan and you have no need to know You can't prepare now get ready for the show