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Boxing Last Crescendo: Beterbiev/Bivol Review ft 86 Boxing, Papi Choon Yayo, Skywalker #boxing Media
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🔥 BALL & BUDS LIVE SPECIAL 💯 Boxing & Combat Sports Insider Clubber D the Combat G's Combat Sports Special featuring 86 Boxing, Papi Choon Yayo & Skywalker Boxing Media
Review "The Last Crescendo: Artur Beterbiev vs Dmitry Bivol"
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Introduction and UFC Insights
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That world heavyweight float Championship belt wrapped around my waist, yo I got that Ric Flair fake it toe, release the flow Created by this mic pro Lights, camera, get low Action pack, back to bag In fact this monster will grow Y'all better let em know Man with the master playing and you have no need to know Heart like Winnie Cole Bust these fools, anything less than killing whack rappers is
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Audience Engagement and Subscription Encouragement
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Game is only for the bold. You came prepared, now get ready for the show. Introducing, from parts unknown, your UFC and combat sports insider, Clever D, the combat G, and the sports professor.
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Oh, shit.
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Yo, yo, yo, what up, friends? You know what it is, ballin' buds back at it again. Yes, you saw us last week. We had a star-studded show for the huge boxing event. Some people were calling the best boxing card ever.
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Did it li ah live up to that? Well, we will find out today from our boxing UFC MMA combat sports insider expert star of the show clubber D the combat G I'm just a nobody so it's really the people out there are the stars of the show it's everybody from from Angel Diaz commenting to Rodolfo to everybody that came over from the 86 boxing skywalker boxing page all the people out there that make this worthwhile okay if I appreciate you guys you know what i'm saying so we'll we wait a little while let you guys come in and and until then you know
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Just hit the like button. It's free. i'm not going to charge you this time. Just hit the like button if you feel like it. I'm not going to, force you to do it. But Omar might give you a back rub. you know i would definitely i would definitely give a virtual back rub to anyone that goes ahead hit that like button right now for us. Thank you. Thank you. ah Thank you again. Yeah, Angel, thank you. Salute for ah for tuning in. We appreciate you.
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And everybody else who's tuned in, make sure you're subscribed to Ball and Buds, B-A-L-L-A-N-D-B-U-D-S on YouTube so you can catch all of our live stream and rob
Historical Boxing Events with Joshua
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video content there. And as well, make sure you tap in with our next guest. Clever D, would you like to do the introduction?
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The one and only, the man, not only is he a boxing savant, he will talk about boxing from the 1800s, the to the 1500s, with Alexander the Great and all of them. probably going to get my dates wrong.
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But the man, the myth, the legend, Joshua from 86 Boxing. Woo! Salute, salute. Appreciate you being here. Or appreciate being here, at rather, you know. Hey, thanks for the warm welcome right there. Appreciate it 100%. Salute Clubber D and Omar representing Yes, sir. ahha Most definitely. We really appreciate you tuning in again. Make sure you all tap in with 86 Boxing. They also have a new channel, 86 Sports.
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Debate on Recent Boxing Event
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fellas. So how did you? First of all, Josh, thanks again for joining us. We'll have Skywalker Boxing Media, Papi Chunyeo on in a little bit when they're done with their boxing interview.
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And we'll have others trickling over. But Josh, we'll start with you. Overall thoughts on the weekend's card. You know, ah on paper greatest card ever. The event in itself.
00:03:54
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Probably didn't live up to that level of hype, but we did get some good fights out of this, some solid competition regardless of the fact. Now, I do think that, hey, there's a chance we can up the ante even more.
00:04:10
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Some of it was unfortunate because of injuries, sickness, whatever it may be. We didn't get to see the fights that were – a couple of the fights that were initially planned.
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That being said, we at least got to seega half of the stars that were going to be a part of even those contests. So I would definitely say that it was certain it was it was one of those where it was worth the while in terms of just being able to tune in and see all of these contests.
00:04:40
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Elite level fighters there in one venue on one card making it happen.
Value and Affordability of Fight Cards
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But certainly i don't think it set the bar in any way as the greatest card ever. But salute to them for even attempting such though.
00:04:57
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Yeah. And you are our, our, our resident boxing historian and the, one of the, one the foremost experts in boxing history there on YouTube. So we really appreciate that perspective. Clubber D what did you think about what was possibly called the best boxing card ever?
00:05:12
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Yeah. Well on paper, if I was saw it about two weeks prior to the actual fight, then yeah, i would say this would be the best ever. um Of course, you one one card went down, then the next card went down, then i was like, oh, here we go.
00:05:26
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And i think the I think, personally, I think the card ah got affected by Du Bois getting sick and not fighting Anthony um Parker. I think that was probably the um the biggest one because everybody was waiting for that fight besides the main event.
00:05:40
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And it had so much on title title implications as far as what Usyk's going to do. So, you know, I feel that if that fight would have still been there, you know, and maybe...
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Calvin Smith or somebody like that besides Shakur Stevenson's opponent would have got hurt and called out. They'd have been a little different story. But I would say it was on a scale of 1 to 100, 100 being the best card ever, I'd give it a strong 87.
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to strong eighty s seven you know it was It was good. It was was very good. I enjoyed it, but I just thought could be much better. Okay, awesome. And, you know, in that perspective of, you know, greatest cards ever, I know we'll possibly touch on some other past great cards here when we get into the this card, but For the spectacle, for the price point that this was put at, which was affordable for any boxing fan, well, pretty much I didn't say any. There are some people in the world that can't afford that still. But for the most part, people were able not paying $80, which was my favorite part about this.
00:06:45
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um And the fact that you got quality, even though we did have some changes, as was stated, there were still quality fights, which made this, at least in my eyes, well worth.
DAZN's Combat Sports Content
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the 20 whatever it was 599 or whatever that was. Cliberty, how do you feel about that?
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Well, that Saturday morning, I had a great day. I went to the gym, ah came home early. i started little late, so I'd rewind. And DAZN charged me $30 for this card.
00:07:13
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And I would say the Calvin Smith-Bawatsi fight, that could have been, i would say I would pay $30 to watch that fight alone. um So I think I got my money's worth and some as far as price point. So that's a 10 out of 10 as far as the price point and what they put on for us.
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um I don't mind as like Papa Tuneo mentioned the last stream that you have your whole Saturday night to do whatever, you know, and it's like a big adrenaline dump after watching these fights at like 1230 in the afternoon and then like around four or five. It's over with. Oh, what do I do?
00:07:44
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You know, I went to bed. But anyways, ah you know, it's it's one of those things. I think that that it was definitely. I think it was for 30 bucks. It was it was it was.
00:07:55
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You know, it's more of an $80 card, to be honest with you. That's one of those cards you can probably $80 for and not be mad about. Or I wouldn't say as high as Mayweather, where Mayweather fought Pacquiao. That was $100 to watch that fight.
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um but Wow. Yeah, I don't remember who's on the undercard of that, but I just remember was $100 for that fight, and I was the groomsman at one of my buddies' wedding that day. Shout out to my boy Chris Brown. But, yeah, just thinking of just past cards for being $30, this is definitely well worth it.
00:08:24
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And so, and I want, I'm going to follow up to you, Josh, after asking Clever D this, but I want to follow up with, ah do you think now that we've already hit this frontier that, that we, that people will still go back to charging that $80, stuff like that, or will we start to see this affect a change for other organizations as well? what do you think?
00:08:47
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Well, since Turkey is the monopoly is only one person that, that, get along with him or is with with him. That's a ah PBC. And we're going to find out on Saturday when tank fights Lamont Roach ah for 80 by $80, you know, on Amazon, look at the numbers. how many people are going to buy that fight opposed to
Preview: Gervonta Davis vs. Lamont Roach
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paying $30 up to to what we just fought and watching multiple champions fight.
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um There are gonna be champions on on that card. It's not a bad card that they're charging for $80, but when you get 80 bucks over here, what you can get $30 over here and have star started event. So that's the,
00:09:19
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well we'll see We'll see. We'll see on Saturday. And that's exactly what I'm intimating at. Josh, what do you think about that? For the price point, I do think it was worth it.
00:09:30
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Now, I don't know the particulars as far as how it is for a non DAZN subscriber. I am a subscriber of DAZN, so I do the monthly. It's like $31 a month.
00:09:44
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And so the pay-per-view, I believe, was $25.99 or one of the two for me there. when I purchased it. So certainly well worth it there. And previously, just thinking about it, since a lot of things move to the subscription-based service, I've been with DAZN from the start.
00:10:04
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I would just go with the yearly option, which used to be about $99, and then went up. It jumped from $99 to $249 or something like that. forty nine or something crazy like that and i contemplated uh whether i even wanted to continue forward with it but i did of course because ah love boxing and i think that the subscription model adds a different type of element to it because we do get a number of solid top level fights that happen just based on being a part of the subscription in itself
00:10:40
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And if you're going to have a pay-per-view drone on top of it, then I would certainly take it at this price. And then for the caliber of card, most certainly it was worth the price of admission.
00:10:51
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Now, I will say that for any pay-per-view, it's kind of relative as far as what you would pay for a fight you would want to see. For instance, I Clever mentioned Pacquiao Mayweather.
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I would have paid any price to see that on pay-per-view and just for that simple fight in itself alone. And I think those are the dynamics that are at play.
00:11:18
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So it depends on the fight you want to see. Bud versus Spence. That's another one. I was like... hey i want to see this by any means necessary my money and i'll pay whatever that pay-per-view price is to actually watch this contest so i think it is relative but as far as the amount of marquee fights that you got for that price there which will generally go with between i guess 25 30 dollars I think, yeah, spot on. You couldn't ask for more and we'll see if all continue to be that way. But i will say
Critique of PBC's Promotion Strategies
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I will say that the last couple have been around that price point. I remember getting a previous pay-per-view on DAZN and it was $19.99, somewhere there, about
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And i did get the Benavidez versus Morrell card. That was an $80 pay-per-view. The way I looked at it, you had about $20 per fight that you were paying for because it was four fights on the pay-per-view card in itself.
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With this one, you just look at the price per fight. I mean, you can't beat that. Yeah, no, yeah. for the for the whole kit and caboodle as they say to uh to be able to get that many fights at at thirty dollars mean you're looking uh i mean obviously you're looking at what seven fights and thirty dollars that's seven times not sometimes three is 27 so you're looking at the 750 a fight maybe i mean even less than that that's that's i mean that's amazing
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so just just to add Just to add in real quick ah with DAZN, you got boxing. You got boxing pretty much every week with that. But for me, I like MMA. So they had the PFL and they had their fights, PFL Europe.
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They also had bare knuckle fighting. They had the Alvarez versus Jeremy Stevens fight. That was pay-per-view for free on DAZN. So now they have BKFC on DAZN. So there's a lot of stuff, you know, for DAZN subscribers.
00:13:19
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ah They're a combat that way better yeah it and if i could say yeah i think they're trying to rival some of the major networks you could argue they're there so they're getting these different leagues you've seen that kind of shift here over the course of time because there are a ton of things on there i guess the the more direct rival would seem to be espn as far as the amount of offerings that they have for what is sports coverage overall so
00:13:49
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I think it is going to be interesting if they are able to pull in PBC, as mentioned, which is sort of like the last one holding out, the they will pretty much have boxing fully under the zone. And if you want to go and see – anything boxing related you will go there to the zone because uh top rank their deal is going to be up here with espn and in all likelihood they're going to be going to the zone so that right there i would say i'd appreciate it from the perspective of okay and then i can get rid of some of these other streams as i are streaming services as i have over the course of boxing shifting and moving to different platforms
00:14:30
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Yeah. No, i mean that makes 100% sense. And actually, I need to correct myself because I cannot do it pusy i say I'm a math expert and then come out here and tell people that seven times three is 27.
00:14:42
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What the hell is that? First of all, it's nine times three is 27, not seven. So forgive me for my my total lapse of thought process right there. So anyways, it does come out to about 450 a fight because it is seven times four is 28. I'll take that all day. Mm-hmm.
00:14:59
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ah so But you did
Impact of Pricing and Promotion on Boxing's Popularity
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mention the Lamont, Roach, Gervonta, Tank, Davis fight this weekend. So before we get into the actual card that we saw this weekend, let's kick it off with our thoughts about this. Clubber D, start us off.
00:15:15
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Shout out my cousin. You met her when we were out Vegas, Felicia. She's going to be at that fight with Barclays. So like my cousin's going out there. I should have told her sneak backstage, get some pics. And shout out to ah Live with Lightskin Lou.
00:15:27
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Him Kiki, I saw them on the train. They're heading up there right now. So I'm anxious to see all the pictures here he takes while he's out there. um But, ah you know, this fight seems very lukewarm, like kind of.
00:15:40
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A lot people aren't talking about this fight. There's no real drama between the two. I mean, there's little words back and forth. They fought before in amateurs, but there's no like severe, like bad blood. Like ah no one's putting it to be a DC versus Baltimore type thing. I know they were on the Breakfast Club ah talking about it and Justin Hilares had made fun of Lamont Roach's accent saying that DC has a bad accent the way they talk. and I'm like, you got some nerve but but from Baltimore to do and all that. Like, what are you talking about?
00:16:05
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But this fight's coming up and and I don't... nobody's talking about it it's not really all i haven't i don't understand the promotion for this fight there's not much to be said as far as there's no commercials there's no uh there's no banners about it i've not seen local clubs promoting it besides one club i've seen online say hey come or bar whatever uh to come come watch the fight so it's kind of weird i don't know and't I'm not understanding what is the issue with Javante Davis.
00:16:37
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And I'm saying this because they put him as one of the faces of boxing. ah You know when Canelo's fighting, okay? um The hype is there. The hype is... ah like one Everyone
Predictions for Davis vs. Roach Fight
00:16:46
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can't wait. you know If this was we were in UK, you know when Joshua was fighting, regardless of how he's looked in like his past five fights.
00:16:52
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You know what I'm saying? So when you're at that mega level, I feel like people aren't just arent arent aren sized, DC area were, for Javante Davis right now. i don't i don't i don't I don't understand what's going on. so well ah there's um This undercard actually not bad. like ah gary ah and Is Gary Antoine. He's going against...
00:17:12
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yes yeah and one yeah yes gary it's why he's going gets a um El Ryo, and that's a fight that I i really want to see. And they had another one on the other card. i will want You got the card in front of Omar, by any chance?
00:17:24
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I'll pull it up. Yeah, because it's actually a decent card, opposed to what PBC has been giving us. I know Tellez versus Julian Williams. Yeah, J-Rock's on Yep, that's what it is.
00:17:37
Speaker
So, you know, it's I think it's just because it's another fighter coming from a smaller weight class that a Tank is fighting opposed to who the world wants him to see is fighting one of the three. Keyshawn, understand that.
00:17:48
Speaker
But, you know, Lomachenko or Shakur, that's just that's who we want him to see. If it's not one of them, no one's really, really caring no more. The jig is up or the gig is up, whatever they say. when it comes to tank. But you're completely right. before Before we go to Josh, I want to back you up because I didn't even realize the fight was this weekend until you told me the other day. And I was like, what?
00:18:11
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Wait, I haven't seen any promotions for any of of of this fight coming up. And that's a fight that I would actually be interested in seeing. You know what I mean? So anyways, I got the card up here at, I did have the card up there. I apologize.
00:18:25
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So while I get that up, Josh, what do you think about this ah this fight? Yeah, so for certainly the area, I mean, there is that attachment there with both of the guys being here from the DMV, thinking about marriage Maryland specifically.
00:18:41
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And it certainly would have been cool to have it take place here in DC, something of that nature at the Capital One Arena or whatever it may have been. It was initially going to be in Houston, then it switched to the Barclays there in Brooklyn.
00:18:55
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But Brooklyn, you know of course, that's not too far off from us. and tank has fought in the barclays uh prior
Analysis of Lamont Roach's Skills
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now i thought about being there myself actually attending the fight i ultimately uh opted not to now there are also some other local fighters from the area who are going to be on that card as well so as the car in itself shaped up it's not too bad as clubber d mentioned there now yeah in terms of the buzz i don't know mate it seems to have been the pvc strategy where the i guess let the stars
00:19:36
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rely on just their natural buzz or social media, whatever they may be doing out there. Because outside of, of course, the press conferences, I have seen some posters, but I don't recall seeing a promo video of any type. And I was chatting with someone else about that not too long ago.
00:19:55
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And I'm guessing maybe that's not a part of the budget from all indications. pbc at least in this deal with amazon what thus far has been maybe this is the third or fourth show maybe the fourth show or something of that nature and this deal was signed last year i could be off numbers wise but maybe they just don't account for that type of marketing in the budget and you see with the zone ah they go all out with the promos but
00:20:26
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especially they're even more elaborate now that turkey is involved and there's something to those and i think those generate buzz as well another piece of it of course is sort of the fact that lamont roach he is a champion very very good fighter but he is moving up in weight to take on take at a different weight and there are of course some other fights at 135 pounds with some legitimate 135 pounders that we want to see who are out there who have enough name buzz just as much there as lamont if not more and we aren't getting those so i don't know what the overall strategy the ultimate end goal is but i guess for a take
00:21:12
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A benefit for him in terms of his buying power is I had seen an article or something referencing the gate intended to be the biggest gate there at Barclays for, I'm guessing, a sporting event in general. So I guess that would include the basketball stuff that is taking place as well.
00:21:31
Speaker
Interesting. so
Fan Comments and Gary Antoine Russell's Fight
00:21:32
Speaker
If that's the case, then that's a nod to his buying power. But you can certainly ask and think about what would an extra boost do in terms of the type of promos they do over there for these events that they've been putting on to the but on with the zone.
00:21:47
Speaker
You would have to think that it probably adds more value. fans in the mix there has more people going after their pay-per-views and then of course one of the things we we're talking about the price point because yeah this one is going to be that normal price point of around 80 i would suppose and of course that's going to make a determination on whether people actually pay for the pay-per-view especially right now i think a lot of people are Certainly looking at kind of where things are economically and that $25 or $30 certainly sounds a lot better than $80 right now.
00:22:29
Speaker
So we'll see how it does. Yeah, i think I think with Amazon, the deal, they just have the... the viewership deal I don't think they're paying any money to the fighters or promotion think that's all on Al Heyman so I think that's why we're not seeing the same thing like turkey he has endless bank accounts so he could do whatever but yeah that's why I think there's kind of scaling back opposed when he was on Showtime Showtime was paying for all that stuff now he has to front the money and that's why we're seeing a lot of fighters on the shelf and maybe fighting once a year or you know I didn't know Jared Hurd was on this card I like hey i like see him do well but uh yeah that's
00:23:07
Speaker
think it's issue more of PBC when it comes to the money and tank. That's why tanks, you know, i honestly think that since he's not getting promoted the way he wants to be promoted, he's putting that effort in and promoting the fight.
00:23:19
Speaker
That's what kind I feel like he's doing. yeah And shout out to everybody watching. We really appreciate it. Shout out to Bud File says, hello, people. Salute. We appreciate you.
Gary Antoine Russell vs. Jose Valenzuela Analysis
00:23:27
Speaker
I saw you there earlier. I was just trying to find a good time to get that combat comment in.
00:23:30
Speaker
Morning Wombat, shout out as well. Thank you again for tuning in. We know you were here last time with a shout out. Says, I'm not trying to discuss discredit Roach, but I've been disappointed with Tank's recent moves.
00:23:42
Speaker
Frank Martin if they talented is talented, but he's not really demonstrating a willingness to take big risks. He continues, the Garcia fight was a high-profile fight, but even that had the rehydration clause.
00:23:54
Speaker
My suspicion is he recognizes Shakur, has pound-for-pound level skills, and views that fight as high risk with little reward. it continues i think russell will be too dynamic and athletic for rio oh this is from the rio fight i apologize i thought that was continuing comment let's start with that last comment so what do y'all think about that last comment about what he's saying about tank's recent moves and approach to his fights uh i think styles make fights um they spar before just like he's scored haimey and um
00:24:26
Speaker
We haven't seen tank that fight somebody in that type of style. A split fighter. You know, Shakur's not going to knock. He's knockout artist. He's a split fighter. He's going to outpoint you. makes oh We haven't really seen tank fight somebody like that yet. We just need to become straight hat.
00:24:42
Speaker
um So... right now in the point in his career him being 30 years old and him saying i won't only want to fight you know champions that's what we need to see no i don't hear this stuff about shakur will get knocked out shakur well then knock him out take his belt like the what is what is more satisfying than knocking someone out you said that is trash and you take their belt this is boxing so what for the fans that disagree some fans disagree say oh he does have to fight him what are you talking about why Okay, but yeah, just if he's trash, just knock him out and take his belt. thats
00:25:16
Speaker
We would like to see it. Yeah, Josh, what do you think? Hey, I think that's a valid point there. I think what Morning Wombat has stated in Cheers to you there, there's some validity there. There are fights to be made at 135 pounds.
00:25:32
Speaker
Now, Lamont Roach, he's a good fighter, and he's gonna he's going to continue to be the champion at 130 pounds. So he's moving up for the first time for this particular contest. and then the other
Undercard Match Predictions
00:25:43
Speaker
things that morning wombat mentioned they are valid there was a rehydration clause with ryan garcia there wasn't as far as i recall with mario barrios and that's a pound he's a 10 pounder you had a 10 pound oh he had a 10 pounder okay so all right so i well i stand corrected there but i just remember that when it took place at 140 right took place at 140 pounds okay
00:26:09
Speaker
So there was a clause there. I don't know. yeah it It's interesting, you know, but especially when you have people you can take on there at 135. That being said, when you're in a certain position, you can dictate. And he's in the position to where he can dictate – who he wants to face because as far as the live gate people do seem to come out they can come out show love all of that stuff and i think that he has of course some of the boxing fans who may be more on the hardcore side but i think he also has a number of the casual boxing fans that are
00:26:48
Speaker
on his side as well those jets just kind of see the bravado see that okay this guy is a knockout artist and all of that stuff so he gets some of that casual uh fan he gets them wanting to actually attend the event and i think they've done a good job of putting him in certain locations as well like in atlanta uh is houston uh they were going to do this one there of course new york and all that stuff so i think that all adds to it so As long as he can get people to to show up at the actual gate, I think they're going to look at that as an upside. And it's like a matter of, hey, we can throw him in with whoever.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yep. Yeah, and and so Morning Wombat says as well, and we'll get into the card right here. i add it I had it up. I apologize that I had it up while you were speaking, Josh. I i thought we were going to go into it so that's why I put it up, but I'll put it up again.
00:27:37
Speaker
I think Russell will be too dynamic and athletic for Ryo. Russell showed a lack of composure experience in his recent loss, and people don't get give Puello credit for being crafty and picking his shots.
00:27:49
Speaker
So now that that's said, let's go ahead and take a look at the card. This is the card here on the right-hand side, as you can see. um So just a quick glance. Obviously, you got the main event. You got the Ryo versus Russell that we just talked about.
00:28:02
Speaker
Jose Valenzuela. You got Alberto Puello versus Sandor Martin. Joenez Tellez versus Williams. Jarrett Hurd versus Johan Gonzalez. Tariq Green versus, I don't know who what his name is, N. Smith.
00:28:16
Speaker
And then some other fights here. So are there any other fights that y'all like on this card or you think people should look out for? ah Go ahead, Josh. Oh, yeah, certainly. Certainly. um So the N Smith, Nashi Smith, he's a prospect on his way up.
00:28:30
Speaker
Got it. The Headbangers gym here in D.C. Very good. He fought on team combat league. So he's going to be one to watch. And I'm pretty positive he's going to get the job done there. I do know of David Whitmore as well. He's out of this area.
00:28:44
Speaker
He started out 8-0. He's a very solid player.
Revisiting Predictions for Davis Fight
00:28:48
Speaker
solid young prospect as well remember him at i remember a lot of these youngsters as an amateur and they've recently turned pro here in recent years so he's one to look out for along with derrick scooter davis another one out of headbangers who is top flight, his body work, some of the best you can expect for ah guy so young and at his age. So looking forward to those, but also those other ones up top. I agree with Morning Wombat. I think that Gary Antoine Russell, he hey he understands the dynamic, and I think he's really going to go at Valenzuela, but it should be a pretty good contest.
00:29:29
Speaker
Puello Sandor Martin, not bad. Sandor Martin, he's a Decent, solid fighter there. I do think that Puello might have a little bit more to offer than Sandor, but that is...
00:29:42
Speaker
It's a fight that's not too bad for two guys who will be technical. Tellez versus Julian Williams. That's a very interesting one, though I think at this particular stage, Yoenis Tellez is going to be a handful for J-Rock to deal with, and he might end up getting a stoppage there, to be honest with you.
00:30:03
Speaker
And then we'll see with Hurd and Gonzalez. I'm not really sure. Clubber D, Carl? Yeah, I see it. Like Josh mentioned, they got a lot of lot of people from Headbangers. I think that's where Javante Davis has been training with.
00:30:15
Speaker
He's not with Calvin and Kenny. He's been up with Headbangers up in D.C. And Shout to Headbangers, ah you know I'm saying? That's where ah Paul Williams trained as well. One of my favorite fighters for his accident. But um um the the one fight, I didn't even know he was on his car, but Jared Hurd, I'm a big fan of him. I've i've when even before he slapped uh one of the charlots i've always liked you know i'm saying i was i was at the fight when he lost to j-rock at uh at uh where he's called the patriot center where george mason plays uh basketball um um i'm eager to see where he is because i remember seeing him couple years ago i think it was a jake paul or no logan paul
00:30:56
Speaker
Mayweather fight and he was just getting worked by this guy and I was ooh might be time to hang it up but then he's come back and I guess this may be his second or third fight since then so I hopefully it's a good bounce back story um yeah I agree I agree with J-Rock I don't think uh uh I don't think he can hang with Tellez right now at this at this point it's great he's kind of like in the twilight and I honestly did I know he was still fighting um Sandor Martin um he got robbed I think against Tiafema Lopez you know I thought he I thought he won that fight um But I don't know if he's going to get Puello, but it's...
00:31:34
Speaker
and I think Puello will get the nod on this one, probably like a decision. And... um And
Special Guests' Insights and Predictions
00:31:39
Speaker
for Gary Russell, Gary Anton Russell, it was kind of like karma because he came out and talked about ah Devin Haney losing to ah Ryan Garcia, talking about, you know, heads don't mean nothing and fights and things of that nature. Then he lost to Puello, who got caught heads before, so.
00:31:56
Speaker
go figure you and you know yeah and now it's for the WBO 140 and then they put it they made Devin Haney the champion recession now play little to champion W WBC I'm sorry 140 so see how that happens and uh but I I move wombat on this one uh I like I like El Ryo I think it's good part a good slick fighter but I think Russ, I think, I think that, that knockout streak's start again with, uh, with Gary Anton Russell against, uh, against El Ryo. I think he's, he's kind of like, uh, Virgil Ortiz where he was like 20 or 19 and, oh, 19 knockouts. And then his last fight, he lost, you know, that was his first fight that he did knock the personality. He's going to get back with that knockout streak.
00:32:38
Speaker
Um, and, uh, as far as the, the tank tank, you know, I got this being, you know, uh,
00:32:50
Speaker
but now six I got six. I got taken six. I put like that. And I been big josh met his brother. They're great people. Great people. But I just, I think it's going against the bigger guy right now. I just, you know.
00:33:04
Speaker
Oh, that's right. You got the photo with them on Instagram, didn't you? Yeah. I met them. They got to see his brother's second fight. Knocked dude out. It was a great card they put. i hope they get a value to another card. But yeah, it was amazing.
00:33:15
Speaker
yeah okay and Josh, did you give your prediction for the Gervonta Davis-LeMont-Roach fight specifically? I didn't. I didn't. namein and I did all those same things Clever D mentioned there regarding the Roach family. a Always great, respectful to deal with. you know and And that's one thing that certainly stands out just from an overall perspective.
00:33:37
Speaker
I probably lean a similar direction what I've said. I think that early on, actually, Lamont, he will be in there boxing. And you might gather some rounds there early on.
00:33:49
Speaker
But I do think that the fact that he's moving up, that size is going to factor in.
Main Card Analysis and Key Performances
00:33:56
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And we know that Tank, he's a guy who does have pop.
00:34:00
Speaker
and while Lamont he has some knockouts he's not really a big puncher like that he gets it done more so boxing you know he can hurt guys and and drop guys we've seen that we saw him hurt Jamel Herring and all of that but that was at 130 pounds and he's moving up and while it's only five pounds I do think it's going to make a difference there In the end, so I think it will hang in there early, probably do his thing there for a few rounds.
00:34:30
Speaker
But at the end of the day, somewhere midway between there, maybe around six or seven, I too think that a stoppage likely happens. Okay, so KO six, Clubber D, and TKO or KO around the same range, says Josh.
00:34:47
Speaker
In favor, think, yeah. In favor of Tank. Right. Both are favor of Tank. I think everybody is picking Tank in this fight. I am as well. Shout out Rock Chalk, True Crime. Hello. Thank you for tuning in. We really appreciate it. yeah at We couldn't have timed this more perfectly, gentlemen, because we have two more special guests joining us at just a perfect time.
00:35:06
Speaker
First of all, you remember him from last week, and you've seen him on plenty of streams before. His name is... Actually, you know what? No, I like when Cover D does it. Cover D, go ahead. know Look here, look here. This is heavy on the poppy, light on the yayo. No other than poppy tune yayo in the house.
00:35:26
Speaker
Hey. Heavy you on the poppy, light on the yayo. We get straight to it. I came in there. What? You already know what I'm doing, fellas.
00:35:38
Speaker
KO7, my tank dates. But I promise you, though, we got to give the boy Lamont Roach his his flowers right now because he is highly skilled. He moves nicely.
00:35:50
Speaker
He's got, they know each other. They're familiar. yeah well I promise you, Tank is not taking not seriously. He's definitely taking that one seriously. got a tough challenge.
00:36:01
Speaker
um I hope hope Lamont you know put him in some positions where Tank got to show us something new, but I'm still taking Tank by to sleep. Yeah, so another Tank KO in seven. And by the way, I've got to shout out that slick-ass World Baseball Classic Dominican Republic. Independence Day. He is the top team.
00:36:21
Speaker
He is the top team. No, Tadis is a superstar. Yes, sir. And he was a superstar even before he took the PEDs, y'all. So don't be hating on him.
00:36:34
Speaker
yeah. Yeah, yeah. What's up Poppy? What's up? Hey, listen, bro. Hey.
00:36:41
Speaker
but virginia baseball i don't know and i don't But you know who else is a global superstar and he's about to be introduced. He don't need no PEDs, but he runs a huge boxing network that y'all better make sure you are tapping into.
00:36:59
Speaker
His name is Skywalker, and he represents his company, Skywalker Boxing Media. Legend. What's up, brother? How are we doing, my friend? There he is. There he is.
00:37:09
Speaker
There he is, guys man. What's up? What's going on, man? Salute. Salute, man. i got the um I got Tank Davis with the KO, but I think Lamont Roach is a lot better than than Frank Martin, and he's going to bring it.
00:37:23
Speaker
So I'm going to say later rounds, I'm going say like round 10, 9 10. Okay. okay Okay, so wow. Okay, you you think Lamont is going to put up a little bit better of a fight, keep in there a little longer? Yeah, little bit longer than than Frank Martin, I believe.
00:37:37
Speaker
I think we all agree, though. Like I said, I think we're all picking Tank in this fight.
Controversial Judging Discussion
00:37:41
Speaker
I agree. I think it'll be um a stoppage probably. You know, I do like Lamont. I like his style. I've been looking a lot more into him ever since Clubber D mentioned meeting them at that...
00:37:54
Speaker
um at the event that they were at. And so I do like his style, but I mean, Tank Davis is a face of the, of the sport. One of the faces of sport, like Clubber D said, for a reason, because he is that good.
00:38:07
Speaker
So while I do see him staying in maybe a little longer, I still see Tank getting him out there eight, nine, maybe, you know, maybe even shorter than that, so. Cool. All right. Awesome. Well, that was great talk on that. And now that we got our special guests here.
00:38:23
Speaker
um Oh, by the way, before we move on to the the main card from this past weekend, give your quick predictions on that co-main event there, Poppy and Skywalker. It's Jose Valenzuela versus Antoine.
00:38:37
Speaker
Gary Antoine. Gary Antoine. Yeah. Yeah. I got Gary Antoine Russell. I know he's not very active. you know He doesn't fight a lot you know very often, but ah his style, bro, is just that relentless pressure, that come forward style. His style is different than his brother's, you know I'm saying, as far as Russell.
00:39:00
Speaker
What the heck just happened? <unk> I'm going to have him by video. What was that? I have ah Gary Antoine Russell knocking out El Ryo.
00:39:13
Speaker
fourth um Fourth round. I say fourth round. He's going to keep bringing it. He's going to keep bringing it. Yeah, I'm with Skywalker on um the the Gary Russell thing. But listen, again, I got to give props to the other guy, man.
00:39:29
Speaker
Valenzuela, he's highly skilled. He got his redemption. He does got a little crack in him too, bro like he can He can pop. Listen, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do it this way because I respect him so much.
00:39:42
Speaker
I think it's actually possible that both of them hit the canvas. I like to say that. That's my way of giving credit to him because I do know that he's slick.
00:39:55
Speaker
And both of them are slick. I could just see a 50-50 exchange where one of get caught, but neither one of them got no BIT in them. They some real dogs and they going to get at
Debate on Open Scoring in Boxing
00:40:07
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it.
00:40:07
Speaker
And it's going to just – I love boxing right now. They going to give us what we want to see as fans. You can ask Chris Colbert about his power, you know? Yeah. so yeah Oh, yeah. Oof. yeah oh That was one of my almost knockouts of the year may last year.
00:40:21
Speaker
Man, he slid him into diddy baby oil position. no Oh, he was. He was face down. yeah between Between him and our guy from the Philippines, i can't I can't remember his name right now.
00:40:38
Speaker
ah You know what I'm talking about, Josh? Ashton. Ashton. oh yeah oh i yeah ah Between those two right there, that's some stuff I'll never forget.
00:40:50
Speaker
H2O? Yeah, H2O. Same way, bro. Kobe's hair turned black. I was like, oh, it went from blonde to black. i was like, oh, damn. Yeah. Yeah, interesting. ah Angel Diaz says, I have Gary Antoine winning this one. So another one there agreeing with you there, Skywalker.
00:41:10
Speaker
i working people get Some people are going to – they're gonna probably going to say, oh you know, El Ryo can handle that come forward pressure because you just fought Pitbull, right? Yeah. But ah Gary Antoine can mix it up. He's got more head movement. he's got he knows that boc He knows how to box. You know what I'm saying? It's just that he just likes to bang. So you're going to get a mixture of both being with Gary Antoine Russell this fight because going fighting a boxer.
00:41:36
Speaker
Yeah, Gary Antoine is an Olympian, so he can rely on those boxing skills where he needs them. you know And it was something kind of alluded to as far as with Gary Antoine coming into that Puello fight, he had been out for a good little bit. Now, he started out, he was fighting often.
00:41:54
Speaker
Some of that might have just been virtue of getting a date with PBC for this one. He will have been out for a good while as well, though I think he will overcome such. But some of that with Pueblo, I would think, could have been activity.
00:42:09
Speaker
Oh, hey, make it official. Put me down for KO7 for Russell. Okay. so All right. another Here we go. lot of people taking ah Russell there in this fight. So Morty Wombat does ah came through what you were talking about, Skywalker. Yeah, exactly. I was always yeah about the way he was not He's agreeing with me, though. I didn't you know i was i was thinking that maybe ah you know someone was going to say Ryo...
00:42:33
Speaker
is gonna do the same thing. hey it could happen, who knows, man, right? Shit, who knows, man? And Ryo put on a good performance against Pitbull, but Pitbull, like me and Ernest, i it's it's ah it's just a one direction, you know what saying? It's ah a free trade coming at you, bro. No jazz.
00:42:50
Speaker
All. Yeah. That's why he was made perfect for Tank. All bricks, no jabs. All bricks, yeah. Yeah, and so like you said, Pitbull is not the most difficult fighter to game plan for if you stick and move and stay aware of the power coming back, just like you said. Yeah.
00:43:06
Speaker
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00:43:17
Speaker
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Future Fighter Trajectories
00:43:18
Speaker
tuning in. Thank y'all so much. right, let's get into this main card then. From this weekend, this is what the people came for. So I'm just going put this up real quick and then we'll go back to the main screen.
00:43:28
Speaker
But as you can see here, these were the first four fights of the night. And so I'm just going to run really quick through the results and then we'll go back to full screen and and we'll go through these individually.
00:43:40
Speaker
But Callum Smith did beat Joshua Boatsy. Agit Cabayel took out Jaili Zhang. And again, we'll get further into these fights in just a second, but going announce the results.
00:43:52
Speaker
Virgil Ortiz over Israel Madrimov and a split decision. between Carlos Adames and Hamzat Shiraz, who this was controversial on the online. i see Clever D shaking his head, so we'll definitely get to his opinion on that in just a moment.
00:44:11
Speaker
But let's go ahead and start with this first fight down here. Callum Smith in the victory over Joshua Boatze. I believe most of us ah took Boatze in this fight.
00:44:22
Speaker
Did you not, Skywalker? i know he was in a chapter, you guys, and I said, hey, don't sleep on Callum Smith because he's fought better beef. I didn't pick it. In the prediction league, I picked Boatze.
00:44:34
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? I'll straight Well, then don't come on here. i i am up Experience. Experience of Fui's cause made him a better fighter. And, you know, we've seen it, man. Right after Canelo, he got a a highlight reel knockout. And then, you know, he got lost to better beef.
00:44:52
Speaker
He's fighting tough opponents. It's going to make him tough, man. You know, you throw him in there with someone tough, it's going to make him tough, so. I think he shocked everybody. You would won some money too. I think he was an underdog too.
00:45:03
Speaker
You're on the betting odds. I mean, I'm definitely upset. I didn't pick him because I really was thinking of picking him before. And then I was so convinced by all of you, especially Josh with his argument about Boat. See, I was like, oh man, I got to go with him. So then I did. i was like, damn it.
00:45:17
Speaker
But Kyle Smith is ah he's an experienced fighter. He's been around a long time. He's no bum, right? He went in there and put up a good fight. So, all right, let's go back around the horn. Poppy Chunyeo, what did you think about this fight? No, So initially, i believe I well, I had Watsi by split decision, to be honest with you. That was that was my pick. That's my official pick that I had.
00:45:37
Speaker
And I call the fight a draw. I had a couple of fights that night that ended up being a draw. And I usually take notes during the fight and I score round by round so I can know. what I'm coming up with. And I had to fight. it I had to fight a draw.
00:45:50
Speaker
um I just, I don't know, man. It just seems like, i don't know. I don't, I have an issue with trusting um ah people of color from Europe.
00:46:01
Speaker
It seems like they look it out. Like every time I see, you know what I'm saying? Brown skin dude. I'd be like, oh, he about to give old boy to work. I'm just keeping the real with y'all.
00:46:11
Speaker
You know what saying? I'd oh, he about to give old boy to work. And then next thing you know, it's like, damn, man, this dude. He ain't got it. He ain't got that same type of and we got here from America. You feel me? in They don't be having it, man. Just be missing somehow.
00:46:26
Speaker
That's how I feel about it. But I felt like it was a draw. Could have went either way. but But the whole card, every fight on the card had one judge that would have it like 117, 111. It's like, yo what was you watching? Yeah, right.
00:46:42
Speaker
Every single fight. Yeah. And I know we're definitely going talk about that when it comes to the Adames fight, because I know that's why Cleber D was shaking his head. And I think we're all going to touch on on that. But when you do see cards like that, that are just, you have two cards that are pretty straightforward, and then you have another card that's all off in the wild.
00:47:00
Speaker
It's like, well, come on now. You're obviously being probably a little biased here because maybe you like the fighter or whatever. And I've seen this happen in lower organizations that have, you know, local fights and things like that. But I don't know. Josh, what do you think?
00:47:13
Speaker
First and foremost, definitely don't make bets based on my picks. I'll tell you that right now. but That being said, man, I knew how good Kalem Smith was.
00:47:25
Speaker
I just leaned a little bit more in favor of Joshua Buaxi. I thought... I thought a little bit more of Joshua Buatzi in where he was at this particular stage.
00:47:36
Speaker
And that's what led me to picking him. And I don't think that we saw the best of Caleb Smith in that fight with Canelo. nor the fight with better be if but i did think that joshua buatsi was gonna push all the bad
Influence of Promoters and Networks in Boxing
00:47:54
Speaker
performances aside or at least those he's had in some of his more recent fights it showed the people like hey this is why i was one of the top amateurs this is why they were counting on me as a pro right here this is why i was under management of entity joshua they had me on these the zone cars etc
00:48:12
Speaker
And I will give it to him. He got hurt in that fight, especially to the body. And he fought through. I got to give him that. And he actually was able to land some stuff. And he got able to hurt Kalem Smith.
00:48:22
Speaker
I didn't score this particular contest. i only scored the main event, as a matter of fact. But in not scoring it, from what I saw, It seemed that he was more hurt at times than what I saw with Kalem Smith, or it seemed like he was in some of the worst or bad positions more for the duration of the fight than Kalem Smith.
00:48:43
Speaker
And it looked like Kalem Smith outpointed him, and that might have been the case there as far as punch stats were concerned. So when it was all said and done, I was thinking to myself, Kalem Smith won that fight.
00:48:54
Speaker
No, I, I, uh, Ernest mentions he saw it as a draw. So there was a lot of back and forth. So that potentially could have been there as well. But for me, just at face value, I thought Kalem Smith put on the performance he needed to put on for a guy who was counted out in most regards and rightfully so just thinking about, okay, where's this mindset coming in? But he showed us that, Hey, he's not done yet.
00:49:24
Speaker
Yeah, and I went ahead and put the scores up there um because I wanted people to know what we were referencing. So look at this card right here. 119 110.
00:49:32
Speaker
like what are you watching like where are you crazy cleverty what is this guy watching so that was like when i said when i heard the 119 110 i said what i yelled just like that you know drop drop my fork i was eating pasta that i just made i dropped my fork what the hell is this and i was like here we go with this stuff because i know ernest didn't say you know i'm all slicing up uh turkey isla chic and having a fight over there and earth was like well you got to watch out we we don't know how it's really gonna be over there and i feel I feel what Papatou Yeo was saying about the whole, you know, ah being a brother from over there. But i figure, you know, he got he's from Ghana. He's got that, you know, he's got that oomph in him, like maybe like Azula Nelson or Corté, I Corté back in the day. So, you know, he's...
00:50:15
Speaker
I thought that he was going to win this fight because Calvin Smith's coming in at
Biased Judging Issues and Solutions
00:50:19
Speaker
age 34. This is kind of like his last stand. And, you know, you got to let the young bull take over. And he was earlier rounds with the body shots, both going back and forth.
00:50:28
Speaker
And then when cut his eye and he started losing the mid-round, so it came back towards the end. ah thought he was to knock him out. I think it was like 10th or 11th. He had Smith really hurt. But when I heard that first score,
00:50:39
Speaker
and I had Watsi winning, i think maybe Spitter or Vision. When I heard that first score, I said, nah, he lost. You know, I wouldn't bad at a draw or losing by one or two points, but when I heard that first score, I said, okay, yeah.
00:50:54
Speaker
I know what's going on. and know what's going on. And Salute Champ Ross, we really appreciate you tuning in and for running the Boxing Predictions group. You know, we love that. I got to put my piece in tonight. Speaking of thanks for the reminder. sos Oh, yeah, I have a good mind. in But i got fifth place last week. He told me I was very excited. Hey, yeah, man. You you did work, man. you Yeah. Wow.
00:51:13
Speaker
but that I'm reaching for defenses because I missed the Monster-Inawaf fight, and I'm sitting there doing a report. like, oh, I got time. I look up. I was at ESPN. The fight's already done. I had my picks, but didn't want to be like, hey, man, already did it before the fight. Yeah, so that's why I'm behind it, though. So I'll be swinging for defenses in that thing. I got to catch up somehow.
00:51:32
Speaker
No, we don't do no swinging for defenses. These are calculated, ah you know what saying? Oh, no, I got a dartboard. I go, boop. Okay, round eight, knockout. Bam, go on. ah I'm already behind, so I got to something. and mean I need the almanac. Omar, give it to me. Come on, please.
00:51:49
Speaker
I went through the way I picked him, and I'd just be going off of records and KOs and going from there. i don't even know what I'm doing. But I will be in fifth place all damn day. Thank you, Champ Ross. He says, I want to see Smith Benavidez. If Benavidez can't get Bebel, we will be getting into that in just a little bit. Everybody stay tuned for that main event. He also says there's always one judge in the bag.
00:52:08
Speaker
And I think we've seen this a few times now, as Papi Chunyeo was saying, in this in Saudi Arabia. I think we've seen this multiple times now, haven't we? MMA and boxing, it's the same story because Dana White deals with the same stuff while we're on his side of things. and it's it's It's across the board. They're guaranteed to be one judge that was on that poppy.
00:52:28
Speaker
oh on our pa you know and no no I'm going to talk about these colonizers until I check off this joint. You feel me?
Open Scoring Impact on Excitement
00:52:39
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I'm going to be talking about these colonizers.
00:52:41
Speaker
That judge is on a tow trip, I think, or DMT or something like that. Someone has ah some type of off-paying score. And Angel dz Diaz, they said they do that to set up other boxing matches. I can understand that. I can't. ah get so do you You can make it a little bit more realistic to at least not show your... I mean, is that what everybody thinks on this panel? Because that's what I think when I see something like that.
00:53:04
Speaker
I think that obviously this person was either biased or there's some sort of... Because I've seen this happen again, like I said, at local organizations where you have these fighters that are brought in by the promoter and then you have these other fighters that are brought in to fight them, but they're brought in to lose. So then you but might have a judge who gives a a very off score what do y'all think about that is that do y'all feel the same way
00:53:25
Speaker
the it's interesting it's interesting what i will say is that i don't know yeah judging can be crazy just thinking about it on the amateur side i've been on the wrong end of some i'm like what the heck were they looking at but i will also say that if Vegas is the fight capital, it seems like there will be an incentive to keep Vegas as the fight capital.
00:53:50
Speaker
Same as the case with anywhere that is considered to be the fight capital. But, you know, some stuff is very questionable at times. I will say that. Anybody else got thoughts on that?
00:54:01
Speaker
I would say ah this type of stuff isn't new. I mean, look at Pernell Whitaker versus Chavez. Look at Mojo Taylor winning for a fall Chavez. The last like nine seconds, he couldve speak could have lasted nine seconds, you know what I'm saying? so um So I think this is a new unboxing now. It's just, I don't think we'll ever be oh ah cured of this this sickness of bad judges because I think the judge, picking the judges and the promoter has no say in none that.
00:54:31
Speaker
it's not like they can pick the judges they want um so uh i could be wrong but i know gay white had that pleasure about that i can't remember that that lady's name but there was a lady that had the floyd canelo fight one me yeah yeah well yeah you want fourteen That's why i knew Canelo was the golden child after that. That's what I knew.
00:54:54
Speaker
Canelo was it. That was crazy. 114, 114. He maybe won one one round. i said what kind of did what he but he he maybe won one round that's it maybe one round So, you know, that's why, i mean, at I don't know if I agree with the cultural appropriation, him coming out with them sombreros and stuff like that. don't know if I agree with that, but he do own them.
00:55:19
Speaker
Can't beat them, join them. Go beat them and join them. And then he would, you know, that's ah that's another subject for another day. But yeah, Adelaide Bird.
Cultural and Financial Dynamics in Boxing
00:55:29
Speaker
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00:55:52
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00:56:19
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Definitely going to getting into that main event here in a second. Morning Wombat, did y'all discuss Turkey telling Shiraz Corner that he was down on the cards? I understand, Frank. We can jump to that if y'all would. Yeah, that's what we'll do. We'll just go ahead and jump straight into that one. since now you're paying for him You can do that, I guess. He says yelling at him in the corner, but Turkey occupies a different role as the law.
00:56:42
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He says that's a bad look for sure. So let's go ahead. If anybody has any thoughts on that, um ah go ahead and I'll bring up this card real quick. um and so anybody I'll say something quick on it um we all know it was just a travesty and uh Saraz uh I did he did show his hand thing one hand is broken whatever but may not it doesn't that it doesn't matter he lost that fight uh Carl Saddamas deserved to be the uh the winner my only thing with that fight when Turkey Alashik walked over there and kind of telling him you know hey uh
00:57:15
Speaker
what You got to win by knockout. That reminded me of the fight with Mario Barros against a Tank when Barros was winning that fight. he Just like a lot of Tank fights, he was losing. yeah hey I mean, I'm sorry, Floyd Mayweather walked right over to that corner and started talking to ah Calvin and all them and like he was the the extra corner man.
00:57:32
Speaker
And I'm like, ain't that illegal? Like, so we've seen this. Yeah, we have. And what's his name's dad? Oh, what is it? Oh, my God. It's Haitian fighter. He had that the trilogy with Victor fight. He fought Mayweather also. Andre Berto.
00:57:47
Speaker
His dad would do the same thing on his Boxing at the Dark cards. He'd walk up there say, back. But hey, if you got the money, you can do whatever you want to do. So that's my thoughts on that. So it's a little cheatery.
00:58:00
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Anybody else have thoughts on that? I seen it. I seen that clip that he's referring to and and that was kind of wild. You know what saying for him? It's kind of like outside interference that there should be rules.
Financial Interests in Boxing Decisions
00:58:12
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You know, and um Josh knows better than me as far as as an official.
00:58:16
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If someone were to come come up to the ring and give some kind of like, don't know. Is that is that breaking a rule, Josh? Well, yeah, but I will say this, like on the amateur side, for instance, at the national event, it's open scoring. So for the first two rounds, you're going to know what the score is. You'll be able to tell your fighter that.
00:58:36
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right Now, there are still some places in the pros where they do open scoring throughout a contest. But yeah, in the fashion in which it goes down, yeah, that... is not allowed as far as what i know from a rule standpoint someone there who's sitting as a spectator just coming over and tell hey you're down or whatever so yeah that part of it i think is pretty much illegal whether that's amateur or pros but you can get away with a little bit more there on the pro side hey look man Turkey had a whole city built in six months with a bunch of running that came up out of the ground. That's true. He can, who's going to tell, hey, bro, go sit down with someone. you What?
00:59:20
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Cut his tongue off. Feed him to the lions. Cut his tongue off? That's diabolical. Feed him to the lions, bro. The lions? Okay.
00:59:33
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Yeah, if want to have some midgets, the strip it out pole behind the ring distraction between
Future of Boxing Reflections and Strategies
00:59:43
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rounds. and You do that So ah but but let's look at these cards here one fourteen one fifteen one fourteen one fourteen so again right we have two judges that are clearly seeinging the same fight and then we have one eight room link ten what is Now the is probably the more correct card in this contest, actually.
01:00:05
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But I'm just saying the dichotomy between those. I'm not saying which one right is right. I'm not saying how do you have that big of a difference? When something doesn't belong. That's what say. don't know. don't know. Maybe there's some incentive there or something.
01:00:21
Speaker
Okay, so what are some what are the thoughts on this fight? Let's go around the horn. ah Cluberty, already gave your thoughts just now. Josh, what do you think? I would say that top to bottom for the car, probably the more disappointing performance for me was the performance of Hamza Ataraz because I believe that he was come in there and show why he's getting hyped up, why he is a guy considered next now.
01:00:48
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I heard mention of a hand injury. I'm just finding that out. I don't know what the validity of that is. But that being said, he seemed to be stuck in the same gear and played it super safe.
01:00:58
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And I think that it was a fairly impressive performance for Adamas in dealing with a taller longer rangier guy because shiraz you look at him he's a big dude there for 168 pounds and we're going to see him probably go at 175 could end his career cruiserweight and for adamas the way that he was able to move and come forward the entire fight stylistically because he's a solidly built built uh guy as well uh i thought that that was pretty impressive for me and shiraz he seemed to be stuck in that same gear
01:01:33
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you know really the one two that's all he was doing didn't see a lot of variation from him so i thought it was probably the more disappointing performance just relative to what I thought he was going to bring to the table in this contest, especially considering Adamas. He's been fighting like once a year for the past three, four years.
01:01:54
Speaker
And Shiraz, man, with all that momentum, couldn't take advantage of it there. ah So I did think that Adamas deserved to win. I wasn't scoring it as mentioned, but looking at it there, man, it's hard to see a draw for sure. Skywalker, what do you think?
01:02:11
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That wasn't the Shiraz that we've seen that that ah beat Emma Williams, you know? So didn't establish his jab. that He has a strong jab. i didn't Maybe the hand injury that I'm learning of now, maybe that has something to do with it.
01:02:26
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I wouldn't say robbery, but I do agree with like ah like a draw, you know what I'm saying? Because if you're you're scoring on points, you know i'm saying? I mean, you could give Shiraz a little bit on the one-twos that Josh was talking that he was throwing. But other than that, bro,
01:02:41
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i don't know i had adamas kind of edge in the fight maybe maybe a draw so yeah ah that was my my opinion of the fight all right all right in my note i had going through the motions um that's what i had for for for hamza Early on in the fight, man, in my notes, i got belt to he put belt to ass. Every time Adamas would come in, that long jab, pa but o I mean, the jab that jab was strong. I was like, okay, okay, put something else with it.
01:03:16
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put something else with it. Then I just started i didn't started seeing Adamas apply smart pressure. like he was he would double the jat He would double the jab to come in and then get to work.
01:03:28
Speaker
His counter shots was crazy. And at some point in the fight, I was like, what's wrong with Shrek? I said, has he had a back problem or something? Normally, it's just that it didn't look like he was all the way there. right And was like, all Hamza got to do was push him backwards and it's over. He could just get him up out of there.
01:03:46
Speaker
But Adamas made the adjustments, the smart pressure, overhands. um i had Initially I picked Hamza by KO7, but I had in my so my scorecard, I had Adamas winning by round.
01:04:04
Speaker
Okay, cool. and sha And since you did have Adamas winning this fight, I do want to go back around the horn. um ah did anyone What are your thoughts about these these fighters specifically going forward? Because I know coming into this fight, there was a lot of hype about, especially Hamza in general.
01:04:25
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um where do we Where do we think this split draw has put these fighters? If anyone has any opinion on that. think Okay. Hamza, listen, so you you're entitled to have, people have a bad day sometimes.
01:04:36
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I just think that he happened to have a bad day, maybe if even if his hand was hurt. um I still think, you know, there were there was spots in there where he sort of looked like he had what it took, but I don't think this hurts his stock at all.
01:04:49
Speaker
You know, they ended handing out participation awards, apparently. But Hamza is not a participation award. He is the real deal, and I think he still will be a problem for anybody. So he'll be able to get back. he just That wasn't his night. Are they fasting or something? Yeah, was really trying to figure it out. I was like in week or two, so.
01:05:07
Speaker
This reminds me of Fundora. This happened to Fundora too. Fundora got taken out by Mendoza and look where he's at now. you know he's raising that guy and Everybody says that he's tough, man. You talk to all these elite and and they're like, man, this tall, tall range guy is tough. I was like, did he did he have a bad weight cut?
01:05:25
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Bro, he was not sweating for like five rounds. That wasn't a lick of sweat on him. I was like, what's going on with him? Right. Yeah. i Let's catch up on these comments here. Champ Ross says the promoter or little minion gets in the ear of the judge just to think who pays the judge. Is it the promoters or the commission?
01:05:44
Speaker
And at to you, Josh. So he was talking about the comment you made earlier. Yeah. Shout out, Siba. We appreciate you tuning in. Appreciate that. I wish Chris in the house.
01:05:57
Speaker
Rachchuk, too many prime drinks with vodka. Okay, my buddy. You stay you stay nice and relaxed at home and enjoy that but that prime and vodka. um Angel Diaz, it was actually less than five seconds, so I couldn't believe that. i actually don't know what that's in reference to, so I apologize.
01:06:14
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01:06:43
Speaker
Adelaide Byrd, still the judge in Vegas, shows the problem with the system. Vegas Athletic Commission isn't holding bad officials and judges accountable. Nope. You know, that's the ah that's the wife of referee Robert Bird, for those that don't know.
01:06:57
Speaker
Oh, it is. Who was also a biggest referee. He retired now, though. I'm pretty sure he retired. I just haven't seen him long time. Maybe he's still out there. but we need we need We need Julie Letterman. We need more of her. no You know what it is. A lot of these people, they done been on tape somewhere they weren't supposed to be.
01:07:14
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Somebody says she was on the Lolita Express. Lolita Express. She was sitting next to Chris Rock and Bill Clemens.
01:07:23
Speaker
ah right and um found out background check and found yeah i the did learn somebody said she was on the lowliders lowlys im just sitting next this test she was sitting next to chris rock and bill clement name get out here leader epstein island i so who named didler i' tell you forty wombat I hear that. But again, Floyd was tank's individual promoter, whereas Turkey is sort of overseeing the whole card.
01:07:54
Speaker
So he's talking boxs about being down in the card. um And by the way, do y'all think that should be allowed? or i mean know I know some of you said he pays the bills, so it's whatever he wants to do.
01:08:05
Speaker
but no Turkey is the king boxing. but For the whole entire world. i need you to try to let that sink in a little bit. It's like some Thanos shit, bro. He's the king of the entire world of boxing.
01:08:19
Speaker
If he decides that every great fight is going to be over there, people are trying to cash a check. It's hard times. We in a recession out this I mean, he got Canelo on Siglo Mayo going over there.
01:08:31
Speaker
Okay? Now, Crawford's fast to be in America, but like I said, he is staying on, so he's missing that one last stone. yeah one That one last stone is it that, you know, put on a middle finger because you know who runs it.
01:08:42
Speaker
You know, it's that one last PBC stone. He's about to get the top-ranked stone, got the Queensberry, got the Matchroom Stone, got the Golden to Boys ah Stone, so it's just one last PBC stone. You know, he's he may And Al Heyman is like a guy in the shadow. So I'd imagine that's a crazy power dynamic right there, considering the power that Al Heyman has had in the sport. He advises so many boxers.
01:09:05
Speaker
woo I would like to be in a meeting between those two. Hey, Eddie, go get me some coffee. somebody Somebody go get Bob Arum to give me the baby off my feet.
01:09:17
Speaker
but so he he lowered out He loaned out Adamus, right? Because Adamus was PBC. Yeah. So... yeah so I wonder what's the back end money on that? Or is he just an A? going pay him, take him.
01:09:27
Speaker
I don't know how how that works. oh I'm sure he was an advisor. yeah yeah There you go. There you go. Our brokers in the business make power moves. Champ Ross says, I don't like open scoring.
01:09:40
Speaker
Neither do I. I do. I love it. I want to see what judge went with what what for the for what round because I feel like I heard somebody say Canelo used to get the first four rounds in case somebody couldn't. I've heard that. I want to know what you scored per round so I can figure out if you cheating or not.
01:09:58
Speaker
That Austin Trout Canelo was open scoring, I believe. That was a fight before the winner gets Mayweather. and I don't know. just not a fan of open scoring. I'd rather just be It should be buy the book and don't don't cheat, but you know that's asking for a lot nowadays, or for last whatever years of boxing.
01:10:16
Speaker
They'll be like, how old was that little girl that was on that film? You just done? Morning Wombat. Also, it doesn't help that Shiraz has a sponsorship deal with Riyadh Season as an ambassador. Hard to call that BS decision anything other than home cooking. I had Adamus 8-4, so he had a pronounced victory.
01:10:39
Speaker
for Adamas. Angel Diaz would be great to get another fight. Yep, that does happen. We see that. That's true. ah Rock Chalk, them bad days happen. That's what Papi Chugueyo was saying. ah Pause on the notes.
01:10:53
Speaker
So stupid. I didn't even see that. was ah just but Definitely got to see the scoring. Yep. So there you goes Open scoring does allow more transparency. into the sport of boxing and I believe and I mean obviously any of y'all can correct me but because there have been these issues that have gone by so long like Clever was saying that's why we have open scoring is to make sure that we we out these judges that are are not doing you know a good job.
01:11:19
Speaker
um don't have it much on the pro side we don't have it much. Okay. There you go. Okay, cool. Did you guys talk the tank card? We did. Yes, Adam. If you go back to the beginning, or actually, no, go back about midway, about 30 minutes in, you can hear all the predictions. Taking sticks.
01:11:38
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um Actually, go right to when you see Skywalker and Poppy come in and go couple seconds before that, and you'll get all the all the decisions. Open scoring takes away the unexpected in the fight, the drama.
01:11:51
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and I mean, that is true. That is true.
Impact of Open Scoring on Match Excitement
01:11:53
Speaker
You know what's going on the whole time. Hey, the people in the crowd don't know what's going on, champ.
01:11:59
Speaker
That's true. So you mean the commercials? But that kind of adds to it. If I'm at a fight, if I go to Stadionist versus Boots in Jersey in April, and I'm like, okay, split decision, everyone's on pins and needles, and you hear the correct call, you're like, ah, your everybody goes crazy. you know what i'm saying? it's open scoring, it's like, all right, well, one, two, okay, yeah, he won. All right, I'm leaving.
01:12:22
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? It's i think it still adds to it, the the whole thing of boxing, you know? But that's just thates me personally. Not that I will get, I like that again. I was going to say, don't think I've ever you that in your life, actually. No, I'll probably take my shirt off like, what? Rock Chalk says, helps keep one honest. And yes, I mean, that's true. If you're getting outed when you have bad scores, you're going maybe change your ways. But I mean, as y'all said, Adelaide Byrd is still a active judge. So, you know,
Agat Cabayel vs. Zheli Zhang Fight Analysis
01:12:51
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it is what it is. right, cool.
01:12:52
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Let's move it on to the next fight. We have Zheli Zhang versus Agat Cabayel. um And Germany. Yeah, my homeboy, my brethren from from Germany.
01:13:05
Speaker
ah So um what was I going to say here? I forgot what I was going to say. ah Oh, yeah. Six-round TKO was what this was. Six-round TKO. So Clubber D, start us off here on the Agat Cabell defeating Jay Lee Jay.
01:13:19
Speaker
um i picked it I picked for Cabell to win. I think I got cheated around because we all know. Oh yeah. What the hell did a ref do when he was killed? When he body snatch, he was killing that body and he stops it for a second.
01:13:31
Speaker
And then it's like, Oh, well keep going. Oh, wait a minute. Oh, he should be, yeah he should knock him out. But I think I got cheated around. would have been maybe spot on, but yeah, I don't copy. I did what are he was supposed to do. You know, this guy, I think this whole card, if you look at it from, from Boate, uh, all way to the, to the last fight, we're better, uh,
01:13:50
Speaker
Well, with all everybody makes a a point to go to the body. All high level top boxers go to the body. And, you know, this proves you you don't have to be, you know, it doesn't matter how big you are. If if you're if you got that doughy middle, it's going to get a molded into something.
01:14:06
Speaker
That's what happened. So that was good That was bars right there. Thank you. I was bars like that. Caballo bodywork is no joke. So champ boss agreeing with you there.
01:14:18
Speaker
Josh, what do you think? I think I was the only one that actually picked Giant to win this fight. Now, will say two fights on this card. We'll talk about one later.
01:14:28
Speaker
When they announced the weight, it made me kind of think a little bit differently. Game with 287 in there. i'm like, hey You know, in some of his worst performances, he's been a little bit higher there. And he looked very loose in the midsection. Now, Caballel, hey, he's the real deal. Call him the monster slayer because he seems to do that right there. And the way he dials in on the body, I think that's like a recipe. So you throw these monsters in front of him.
01:14:58
Speaker
He dows in on the body. he gets it done. And, man, it's going to be tough to pick against Cavalier here moving forward. And as far as Jang, yeah, very disappointing right there.
01:15:09
Speaker
I would say that's probably the second most disappointing performance on this card right there. Just thinking about what Hamza is capable of and then just seeing Jang there by the fourth round, he was already, his mouth was open ah probably by the third round. He's just looking like he didn't,
01:15:26
Speaker
didn't belong really banged out mean no way your conditioning should be that bad somebody broke some dishes back there work who was recording in a restaurant i don't know what's happening he was banged out here skywalker what do you think oh man ah great performance man the germans the truth man uh Kind of came out of nowhere, you know i'm saying, on the radar of everybody, you know i'm saying. i Had a great win over Frank Sanchez and and, you know, age is a factor, man. I think a lot of people had Caballo because the age factor. And Zhang's good, but like Josh pointed out, man, he was kind of too big, man. When you're too big, you can't move. Zhang's got some good boxing technique when he's slimmer, you know, he can move around.
01:16:14
Speaker
And this fight right here, man, like, you know, he was too big, so. Yeah, Adam Hurley says, Zang gas is out quick as fuck. let me I to say something. Hey, look.
01:16:29
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Bang, bang, got bang, bang. Hey, whoa. Hey, I told y'all what was going to happen. I ain't going to I picked KO7. I was come on. I know it's going to be KO7.
01:16:39
Speaker
But ah let me give Zang some credit real quick, right? That first round had your boy nervous. I was like, yo, how is he moving like that?
01:16:51
Speaker
Cutting the ring off, the pressure. think he, man, I felt like he almost he almost put Caballel to sleep for a second in the first round. Bro, he hit him with that thing, and Caballel was like, oh.
01:17:03
Speaker
All right. And then he just commenced to just banging that body out. You could just see Zang slowing down. He's just ribs, all ribs. Definitely. Man, I was like, oh, this is abuse. Like, he's punishing him, bro. Like, punishing him. I was like, it's only a matter of time. i I am a huge fan of Caballel and Bacoli.
01:17:27
Speaker
I think those are my two sleepers in the heavyweight division for now. And that's just how I feel about it. Caballel is the good. um He just looks, the way he looks, he's deceptively athletic.
01:17:42
Speaker
And his work rate is ridiculous for a heavyweight. yeah So I need to see Caballel fight our heavyweight from here. Our Olympian dude. I need to see that.
01:17:54
Speaker
Anderson? No, not Anderson. um Torres. That'd be crazy. Skywalker's not a fan of him. Yeah.
01:18:04
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That's going to be some work that you gave out there if i see that. don't know he's ready for that right now. We'll see, though. Valdez, man. Valdez, man. He'll sign everybody's autographs. Man, I mean, there'll be like 500 Albuquerque people there, bro all lined up. And he'll he'll see every every single one of them, you know. But I...
01:18:20
Speaker
I see it different with other stars. You know what I mean? Yeah. Rock Chalk says, Zang needed more zing. Yes, there you go. that's chicken and Yeah, exactly. yeah I'm not going to say what got knocked out of him, but he like he had lot of stuff knocked out of him. Yeah. right side It was a whole analysis of that fight, but you know,
01:18:43
Speaker
I appreciate the in-depth analysis. Chinese strength. That's what I called it. straight them When was the last time y'all can remember a heavyweight with body punching attack like Caballel? Impressive work rate.
01:18:57
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no Yeah. i And you know when that referee. Well, yeah, Chris Burr. Yeah, good one. Very technically sound. That's was able to beat some of those bigger heavyweights as well. love But yeah, when that referee stepped in, I think that might have been like the third or fourth round.
01:19:14
Speaker
I think he thought that Jang was about to go down. He lost sight for a second, sent him into the neutral corner. i so And Jang just hunched over. He could have stopped the fight right there, honestly. I was like, hey, what are y'all doing?
01:19:26
Speaker
Put him in a body cast. He's on the same machine Bruce Lee was on to try to recover from the spinal kick. He's rushed over two when they have to dojo. So he got a gift right there. Hey, Guido's real tall, too, man. He's going to be towering over Torres.
01:19:40
Speaker
Yeah, Adam Hurley says Torres has a fight with Guido. and Oh, that's a bad one. This will tell us a little something right here for Torres for sure. Yeah. I didn't know that.
01:19:52
Speaker
Awesome. All right, cool. Let's move it into the next fight. We have Virgil Ortiz taking out Israel Madrimov via unanimous decision.
01:20:03
Speaker
um So this was ah this was this there was a tough fight. I enjoyed you know watching this fight. um And i i know most I know most of us, or I think some of us at least, I know I did, picked him to KO him because of his KO record.
01:20:17
Speaker
I remember asking y'all about
Virgil Ortiz vs. Israel Madrimov Fight
01:20:18
Speaker
that. But it was not a KO. It was a unanimous decision. um So how do we feel about this fight? We'll go back around the horn the other way. Papi Chunie will start us off. right.
01:20:28
Speaker
So...
01:20:31
Speaker
Madrimov. Still got his damn hands in his damn pockets. He all this fainting and moving and doing this. Bro, this is boxing, bro. You got to throw them hands, cuz.
01:20:45
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? um um I actually, I picked Mad Jamal by KO. I thought he was going have his hands out of his pocket. He was going get back to the work he was doing pre-bud.
01:20:55
Speaker
And I just, you know, and I was just watching. I was watching Virgil. and I was like, man, damn, Virgil is bullshitting, bro. Like, he can't cut the ring off. Like, he had hard, hard time cutting the ring off.
01:21:08
Speaker
Madrimov, you know, he was, he did a lot of moving and there wasn't a lot of punching, but when Virgil did get to him and he got in, got within range, man, Virgil was digging into the body. He was letting the hands go like the typical Virgil.
01:21:20
Speaker
Um, Madrimov did set him up a couple of times, but the punches was mostly caught on the gloves and blocked a little bit. Um, honestly, I had, um, I had Virgil, uh, I think I had Virgil winning by one round.
01:21:36
Speaker
Okay. And you see, I see i put the scorecards up here. So thank you for telling us that Papi had him winning by one round. The cards are 115, 113 on two cards and one judge had it 117, 111. So Skywalker, how do you feel about this fight?
01:21:50
Speaker
had it 115, 113. Virgil, Virgil did pretty good, man. I like some of some of his little sneaky tricks. He was pulling on Madrimov, like punching his guard out of the way.
01:22:01
Speaker
probably yeah i don't know you've seen them hammer fists at the guard he was like throwing that shit then he would go to the body no he was mixing it up bro was great performance from virgil i thought virgil was gonna get the knockout but uh madrimov very sound fighter you know i'm saying moves around a lot uh great fight i was in el paso you know i was at ah i was at a title fight for stephanie han so i was on the go i had checked out of my hotel room and I landed at Peter Piper Pizza. i don't know if you know what that is.
01:22:30
Speaker
Peter Piper Pizza. You know what I'm saying? So I was watching ordering pizza, getting tokens while this fight's going on. trying to get said i've watched about half the I watched the half end of the fight.
01:22:41
Speaker
So the I say the first half I kind of miss. Okay.
01:22:46
Speaker
Cool. I love Peter Piper. Yeah. You need spot to watch the fire, you know, let the kids play. and Yeah. i don know perfect you know That's perfect. Shout out Brian Corbett for tuning in. To your brain. What's up?
01:22:59
Speaker
Hey, so my thoughts are, hey I thought Ortiz showed his range in this contest. And relative to the opponent he was in with, you could argue, his most impressive performance, given what we know of Madrimov, his capabilities.
01:23:14
Speaker
And one of the things that I guess stood out was the fact that Ortiz, he didn't get sloppy and reckless, even though he was having a hard time catching up to him there through the early portion of the fight.
01:23:29
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He seemed to maintain his composure, and by the end of the fight, he had Madrimal forced to have some exchanges, and of course, Ortiz got the better of those.
01:23:40
Speaker
And as it relates to Madrigal, damn good fighter, a lot of amateur experiences. As mentioned, you have 350 fights. One of the things you have to ask yourself, when is constant movement too much movement? And that may be a thing that kind of came into the fold with him because I'd imagine he couldn't...
01:23:56
Speaker
maybe some miles in the way that he was bouncing around that ring and you just had to think to yourself especially as the rounds were on he wasn't going to be able to just keep that up that entire time right and i think that's what his uh downfall might have been he should have exchanged a bit more and probably when he goes back and look at it he'll see that he'll think to himself man yeah i spent a lot of time there like what ah Ernest mentioned with his hands in his pocket, he was there on the outside. So it looks impressive stylistically, but when you're doing that, you're really not doing anything. Got it.
01:24:33
Speaker
yeah club ah Yeah, I agree. i agree with just about what everyone said. I mean, I actually see ah I'm kind of with Ernst. I missed one. I picked match. I don't know if was a knockout, but I had him winning this fight because you look at you look at Ortiz's last fight with a board check. You know, he got knocked down three times.
01:24:51
Speaker
I thought he lost that fight, but they gave him the nod on that one. And I thought Majimov was going to set him up, set some traps for him. And I didn't think that his ah boxing ah skill level was at that at that point, as as at that ah at the level of Majimov's. But it showed me a lot. And as Skywalker said, he would peel he peel the hand peeled the guard down, and you'll think you'd think he'd go over top. But he's digging at the body. you know He was doing a lot of ah stuff like that to trick Majimov. And then Majimov stopped doing his little herky-jerky hands by his knees to... ah
01:25:22
Speaker
stay his ground type and it really fight so I thought um Virgil Ortiz fought the best fight against Majimov they showed me a lot so uh but I had him up by about two points I thought it was two-point fight um that one score i forgot what he put up there and that was a little ridiculous but that's kind of theme of this whole card there's always that one person that one uh ugly duckling judge that does what he does yeah morning wombat says Virgil showed a new level He was very effective in limiting Madrimov's movement.
01:25:52
Speaker
He showed creativity in his combination punching and some tricks with his guard manipulation. He's not just a puncher. Oh, yeah. True. I agree with that. He's he's more than a puncher there. I picked him coming game, but honestly, I thought it would be ah little bit of a more different fight. I thought that Madrimov would fight a bit more on the in the pocket. But, yeah, that didn't happen until late, and he really didn't have a choice but to do it at that point.
01:26:19
Speaker
Yeah. and environment Oh, sorry about that. Go ahead. No, Matt, Matt, Matt fell in love with the, um, that Marcus Madonna punch where you punch on top of the head. Of course, screw thing. Yeah. he just He did like, he went to that. He went to the bag with that ah ah way too much. He should have threw some regular ass left hooks.
01:26:37
Speaker
You know, it's just – I just didn't – I saw his skill level with the feet, but, man, we over that amateur stuff. Hey, y'all folks in Ukraine, listen, man, that footwork stuff is great for the amateurs.
01:26:49
Speaker
you Yeah, but, man, and the professionals, man, we still trying to see. Move a little bit and bang. Don't be two feet out of the way when it's time to counter. like that Was it me? Was the ref a little too much on Maderov? Every time they pulled him apart, he was, but i don't do this, don't do that. And I was like – Ortiz doing some stuff. are you all about Madgirav this whole fight? But I thought the ref was kind of biased because my dog was doing something over there.
01:27:12
Speaker
A little biased being too hard on Madgirav, but that was just me. Let me say this about the card. I want to know if any of you guys noticed this. Did you guys notice that the energy there is mad different?
01:27:25
Speaker
They got money. they they spent a lot That was only like 7,000 people. so i think it' so but They moved it apparently they ah moved it from a larger arena it was going to be in or stadium, whatever. it's Like 26,000 or something or 20-something thousand, I'm guessing, to this smaller venues smaller venue. I think the smaller venue is probably the ticket prices were. so Those fans aren't kind of like us. you know They're kind of like, ah okay. they give the They give the Japanese fans a run for their money.
01:27:52
Speaker
yeah For me, that's exactly why they can't have it. They can't have the whole thing. You can't have the whole thing, man. what you You don't got the right type of crowd there. They're not diehard boxing fans. Some of them cats are just probably over there just...
01:28:07
Speaker
they on vacation chilling somewhere and something to do like liquor license i want to say maybe two years ago after like 90 years of no alcohol i was trying to count the amount of women in the crowd i was like let me see one right there and they were she Yeah, there are never a lot of of women there. And, you know, one of the things I was thinking about as well is I wonder how much or how many of those tickets are actual, like, paying customers or these are
Crowd Behavior at Boxing Events
01:28:34
Speaker
just comps. ive figured, like, the majority of them they're just complimentary tickets. That's the vibe that I get when I see some of these events that they put on there.
01:28:43
Speaker
You think about a one row of people, probably in the third row near Turkey Alla Chic, that whole row, their bank account is probably like, you know, um many other boxing cars put together yeah what what you saw was what we call a ah plantation uh a master plantation owner everybody in that second row owns some type of plantation somewhere those were billionaires yeah they they're they're billionaires who enjoy sports so you see some weird looking at people you know what i'm saying like they got bread and that
01:29:20
Speaker
And I agree with Josh. I think a lot of it was just like he gives he buys the tickets and then gives them out to his friends, family, close acquaintances, business clients, things like that. Hey, man, he can fly me over.
01:29:31
Speaker
Yeah. I'll take the stipend. What's up with it? anyway Turkey, howla how I had this turkey? Come on. More tourism. I know that for a fact. That's like their main goal. They want to they want to they want tourism.
01:29:46
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? One of the issues is going to play into play come into play in the future is the fact that They're still not fully allowing people to drink alcohol for like the World Cup.
01:29:57
Speaker
They're not having any alcohol at all. So you can't expect soccer fans to want to go travel to Saudi Arabia when soccer fans are very heavy drinkers. Anyways, yeah and you expect them not to want to drink while they're cheering on their team.
01:30:08
Speaker
Same thing with box. I agree. I agree. I think we're seeing sort of the Saudi expansion here real time. We're living it real time. So it'll be interesting, say 30 years from now where they are, because we're just getting this real introduction to them.
01:30:25
Speaker
And I think that they are still evolving societally and, know, It's going to take a little bit. They do it, bro. Lions will have full bellies because the first dude to get drunk will be like, hey, turkey, I heard you ain't got no trolls on. Feed them to the lions. Yeah.
01:30:44
Speaker
Hey, I'm going have a lion over there with you, Papi Koo Yeo. I'll tell you that. so Right. Papi going to get us all hacked up. Bro, I used to get people in trouble in the military because I'd be cracking jokes and laughing under my breath and the person next to me would laughing.
01:30:59
Speaker
Yeah, learn how to hold it.
01:31:02
Speaker
Great. um Yeah, so we got a couple more comments here. Let's see. Majumov wasn't accustomed to the aggression. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate that. Morning Combat, yo, very true. The atmosphere was shockingly dead for such a stacked card.
01:31:15
Speaker
Consider the fact that there is a lot of social repression. That's what we just talked about, right? They're limited in their freedom. Very limited in in everything we can do. um now i will say and we'll get to the main event here and we got two more fights before the main and but at least the main event i thought that they were actually getting up cheering being very excited at least in my eyes is what i saw so maybe that was just the main event but um uh adam hurley hey thank you brother we we we know exactly what you're saying all of us on this on this uh stream right now know the highs and lows of getting subscribers to your damn youtube channel
01:31:54
Speaker
So help everyone out here. If you're watching right now, please help every one of these panelists out and go subscribe to their channel. We would all really, truly appreciate it. Yeah, it's hard to get your eyes over here when you got girls that look real good and got them things on screen.
01:32:07
Speaker
Dudes is like, I ain't trying to hear what they talk about. I'm trying to see what they look at.
01:32:12
Speaker
I mean, you've you're you're usually spot on, and that is that is very, very accurate. Very true. When a lot us when out of sports, some of these ladies do know what they're talking about. Some are fed information, but when they, boop, guys rather watch that.
01:32:28
Speaker
umm just to look upon I'm not to name any names because I'm not here to call nobody out and the person is actually really cool. But there is female who got a channel started way after I started my channel and quickly is already up to like ah thousands of subscribers. And I'm like,
01:32:45
Speaker
what good yeah okay i get it i like to watch ourselves about those kind of girls so yeah yeah it's different they find out about me real quick be like yo shorty i used to live in milan no italy we're the top models in the world baby you ain't no puppy x yeah yo you would pu puppy ex pop pop so yao you will yeah that's your brother It's hard, man. We got to find the right one ah to bring on a panel with this success because you never know what you might say might offend one.
01:33:21
Speaker
pop punishment via beheading is not uncommon in Saudi Arabia. Yeah. I joke about the stuff, but you still something hit that hand comes off. Yeah. People are in Dubai. lot of these females are getting pulled out to Dubai to do certain things and how they act up and they get in jail.
01:33:41
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? See what happens. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. glad trust yeah ah yeah i there you go yeah yeah I've heard of that something to do with a dumpster, the name. yeah Dumpster or something.
01:33:55
Speaker
I've heard a lot of disgusting stories of veryest yeah and make a lot of money and have to do a lot of shit that's going to make them... A with two girls and a cup part two.
01:34:07
Speaker
ah A bumpkin with no ah toilet. but yeah And they are going to regret it the rest of their lives. I can tell I'm letting the horror stories for some of these girls that are like... All the things they did to me, I'm never going to like be able to live with myself again. well you know hey You should have known that when you flew over to a foreign country for hundreds of thousands of dollars. dollars Talk slick over there to see what happens, too.
01:34:30
Speaker
yeah Well, let's get into the next fight. I don't have these two on a picture because, obviously, these two were late changes.
Shakur Stevenson vs. Josh Padley Fight
01:34:37
Speaker
Shakur Stevenson defeats Josh Padley via ninth round TKO.
01:34:44
Speaker
I didn't realize. i believe they said Josh Padley was an electrician. or something. He wasn't a bad fighter, though. He wasn't a bad fighter because he took Chamberlain's O back in September. He's a decent fighter. He's actually better or more accomplished than what Kid Austin was coming into the fight.
01:35:07
Speaker
That's another story. we we We'll talk about that another day about how those lives are just turning around. but I thought this fight, i mean the guy showed heart. a lot of people are the the new thing in in a boxing now is to if you don't like a certain fighter then whatever they do you're just not gonna like and everyone's going on the door uh Shakur Steve's door Shakur Stevenson saying that you know he's he's boring he's not a good fighter he doesn't knock nobody out that's not his style like did you watch Oscar out as he's been in great fights where he just knocked him knock them down didn't get him my I thought he getting him out a lot earlier, but he didn't. But he got to take kind of consideration.
01:35:43
Speaker
Steve's just coming off of that hand surgery too oh from his last fight. So he did what he had to do. He looked he looked sharp, but I thought that he should have been earlier than probably like three or four rounds earlier. But yeah, I gave him a C+. plus All right.
01:35:59
Speaker
Josh? Yeah, I agree there with Clover D, especially for the last-minute opponent change there. I watched when Padley was able to beat Mark Chamberlain, and it was an upset.
01:36:12
Speaker
I knew Shakur would get Padley out of there. thought it would have happened a little bit earlier as well, as you mentioned there, Clover D. I saw he did hurt his hand in that contest at some point. His left hand, his southpaw, he did hurt it in one of those rounds there.
01:36:27
Speaker
That being said, and I know you're going to touch on it there. It's going to the aftermath there with Padley. fafi you yao I know you're going to mention it, but that being said, hey, for a guy jumping in last minute, hey, he put up as much fight as he could, but there are definitely levels right there, and and it was all secured. Nothing was ever in question.
01:36:49
Speaker
Okay, cool. Skywalker, you got for?
01:36:56
Speaker
You're meeting. Oh, hey, it was a cool fight, man. of I was watching on my phone inside of Peter Piper pizza. I ran into the pizza. Again, Peter Piper pizza. Yeah, but the Peter Piper's pizza story gets crazy because not only am I hanging out with Jennifer Hahn, you know former world champion. She was the ring with Katie Taylor, Michaela Mayer.
01:37:16
Speaker
We were hanging out at the weigh-ins. The next day when my hotel, i had to check out the hotel. I got to take my kids somewhere. I got to watch the fight on my phone, burn some time. And you what to visit some family after the fights are done until the fights start at night, you know?
01:37:32
Speaker
And Jennifer Hahn's in the same Peter Piper with her kids. So we watched that fight together. watched the fight with Jennifer Hahn, bro. And it was like, it was weird because El Paso a big city. And there's like six Peter Piper locations. I went all the way to like my area town, in the Northeast where I grew up.
01:37:49
Speaker
And I went to the Peter Piper, took my kids there, and she was in there. so it was just like coincidence, bro. was cool. But we were able to watch the Shakur fight. Padley came out looking good, man. Everybody was kind of shocked at Padley in the beginning.
01:38:00
Speaker
I think Shakur was just allowing him to look good. You know what I'm saying? But then Shakur became Shakur. You know what mean? And – I agree. I think he could have got him out of there way earlier. i think he was playing with his food a little bit.
01:38:15
Speaker
And still, Shakur looked good, man. You know, he's got good good defense. pat He had Pally really frustrated. don't know. He just had that look of frustration on his face. couldn't get to Shakur.
01:38:27
Speaker
But, yeah, it was a good good attempt from him. Hopefully, he can get some good fights from this, you know. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, it it was a good fight. Papi, you obviously have some strong thoughts about this fight. Yeah, definitely, man, because I'm sick of it.
01:38:43
Speaker
but we gotta we You know I got to cook on this a little bit, right? I said pre-fight that old boy was going to give Shakur some problems and he was going to go kamikaze.
01:38:56
Speaker
That's what he was going to do. He going to kamikaze. And I wouldn't be surprised if he was already ready for the fight. Yo, the dude was ready to fight, bro. He did do the kamikaze.
01:39:07
Speaker
And and don't I'm not buying that last-minute replacement stuff. The dude was shredded, bro. This dude was shredded. He had great feints. He was moving right.
01:39:18
Speaker
Shakur obviously is is a a class above... two, three classes above old boy, right? So everybody was expecting this and expecting that. But hey, listen, all y'all over in the UK and all you people out here who just don't like black fighters, knock it off, man.
01:39:35
Speaker
When was the last time we had to we found out about a boxer's um outside the ring job, bro? think that you know They're talking about he's an electrician. Okay, so what?
01:39:47
Speaker
He's fighting. He's a boxer. He's fighting. You know what I'm saying? So you got to don't be don't be. gay They're always trying to make somebody get get love off. Oh, he hit Floyd one good time. He's the best ever. Let's run his checkup.
01:40:02
Speaker
how How do you how do you become like a city hero for going on there and taking a one sided ass with him? I'm sorry. No, we don't do no participation awards. I'm going to give Duke credit because it looked like he was ready. He gave you cor just a little bit of problems, but all you heard was oots, oots, oots.
01:40:21
Speaker
That's all you heard. You couldn't see. You couldn't see where the fists were landing. All you saw was a head moving and then a bluer. you could You know, they don't think. You need like 8K to see how fast old boy's hands was moving. You feel me?
01:40:34
Speaker
But anyways, it was easy work for Shakur. Y'all stop talking about old boys and electrician, blah, blah, blah. Some of y'all mamas make me ah Philly cheesesteaks for Christmas. You feel me? And leave them there. That ain't got nothing to do with fighting.
01:40:47
Speaker
You know what I mean? So just knock that off, man. y'll'all And then the way I was... I feel some type of way because... Shakur was whooping this boy's ass, right?
01:40:58
Speaker
Whooping it. And the crowd was just like, every time old boy went kamikaze and went in there they hit him a couple times, everybody's like, yeah. Like, yo, bro. Before made the face, he was like, what?
01:41:11
Speaker
yeah What are y'all doing? you the ace You got an A-side person going over to Saudi where the crowd energy is whack. And it's giving away home it the home field.
01:41:23
Speaker
i don't like i don't like I don't like that, and y'all need to stop me with all this nonsense about trying to, you did the same thing with Pitbull Crews, that boy trash.
01:41:33
Speaker
He trashed because he fought Tank with one hand, bro. Tank had one hand for seven rounds. And y'all like, oh, we need to see the pit bull versus Tank. Do you all think would have been slept by the fuckers by the seven rounds if Tank hadn't broke his hand?
01:41:46
Speaker
Come on, bro. And then y'all give the dude wins after that? You know, when he's he got beat by ah couple of dudes that we've seen fighting. But y'all want him to be the dude because y'all think he can fight Tank?
01:41:57
Speaker
Knock all that off. Just knock it off. It's not necessary.
01:42:03
Speaker
Who are you on that? Bruh, man. Online, everybody's talking about, ooh, ooh, electrician held seven rounds with Shakur. and Maybe y'all and think that maybe it took Shakur a little while to figure out because them dudes is weird, bro. They got weird rhythm.
01:42:18
Speaker
They on no drum beat stuff. They on the off beat and some of the every other off beat type stuff. I think every fight, every fight at least has toe one or two backup people that say, hey, stay in shape just in case.
01:42:29
Speaker
You know, not a full training camp. I know UFC has alternates. don't even say who their alternates are in certain fights. But ah for this card, I think badly had to be a known person to be, hey, just in case, just stay in shape.
01:42:41
Speaker
You never know. We're gonna have to talk about that last minute replacement stuff too, because they put some bad info out when we get to this other thing. That messed my pick. They put some bad information. They
01:42:56
Speaker
put some bad. My man was back at the Democratic Republic of the Congo, you know what I'm saying? Getting rubbed down. was Yeah, I think that screwed everybody up. We're going to get into that right now. Yeah.
01:43:09
Speaker
You look like a landlord from coming to America. Man was back home eating buffalo, bison meat. Crazy. Crazy. right Horse Bad news, Brown. What's he saying? Not in shape. Morning Wombat says, I believe Shakur is the truth and the best in the world at 35 or 40.
Shakur Stevenson's Potential at Higher Weights
01:43:27
Speaker
morning wambat says i believe shacor is the truth and the best in the world at thirty five and yeah forty The hate baffles me because he has pound for pound level skills. Phenomenal defense. I think you can probably outbox guys like Tank and Keyshawn Davis. What do y'all think about that?
01:43:42
Speaker
oh We'll never see Keyshawn fight, I don't think. but no shot saturday with take great We'll see how he handles Roach. Tank don't want it, I don't think. so He knows the style. that It's just that style.
01:43:53
Speaker
I think we'll see Shakur versus Devin Haney before we see a Tank versus Shakur. and can't negotiate man it's hard for for any of them man to make them fights happen huh very bad yeah and i like um security i agree with uh morning one back or whomever said that yeah i think he's yeah pound for pound talent right there stylistically hey i like him he goes for it you know he's not just a super safety first guy i know that that de los santos fight you know he took a lot of heat from that but by the same token de los santos i think he
01:44:34
Speaker
almost or almost all are close to it as far as his victories were knockouts and he wasn't exchanging in that contest mean when you got 13 uh 13 punches landed in the fight
01:44:49
Speaker
you got thirteen thirteen punches landed in the fight and if Yeah, he's talked to Mayweather. I think he got with Mayweather's person or these guys.
01:45:01
Speaker
I know he's bringing in Mayweather for advice ah to help with his hands. Because Mayweather had terrible hand problems. yeah Man, it's that speed, bro. And if you look at physics, you start looking at acceleration and stuff like that.
01:45:12
Speaker
When you throw speed like that, you run it. I mean, it's basically power. Mm-hmm. You don't understand. The way he gets in and out and way he can cut the ring off and and and and that's not normal in boxing. okay Only a few fighters can do that, but they don't appreciate that because it's not a... Oh, no, they appreciate it.
01:45:31
Speaker
They appreciate it when Lomachenko do it, who also can go more than 120 punches in a fight. Yeah, true, true. go look at that you know what You know what we heard during Magic Mother fight? I'm sorry, I had i just got to say this.
01:45:43
Speaker
We heard a lot of storytelling. When a motherfucker moving around the ring so much, you start hearing the announcers start telling stories and shit. Because there ain't no action happening. You know what I'm saying?
01:45:54
Speaker
Yeah. It's like they feed an audience a big deal. You guys are like making up content. Just don't require some their enough action. Because we run when we do it. We run. When we elude stuff, we're running.
01:46:06
Speaker
But when other people do it, it's like seeing that person with fair skin, that breakdance. Oh, look at Ken Rock, he can breakdance. And then when you see, ah you know, someone else do it. giving them the Elvis treatment. Yeah.
01:46:20
Speaker
Got to see me break dance, bro. I'm beast. I got the windmill still, and I got the one-handed hand spin.
01:46:32
Speaker
i got the up rock. You know what I'm saying? I used to break back in the day, man. through It's like I said, I had to break. I'm breaking electric boogaloo over here. What happened? Wondat. The Hazel in 3 problems.
01:46:46
Speaker
are by far his biggest weakness in my opinion is what he says uh continues on about yeah all right we got a question morning wombat wait what do y'all think about the kid austin situation so this was just mentioned we talked to boy from your dad on the last show what do y'all you know hey you just don't don't get massages um in foreign countries Massage, food poison. Especially if you've got a fight coming. You feel we might get relaxed a little too much.
01:47:15
Speaker
Tampa Passport, which is a federal offense. Stop. getting Leave your dad. so Your dad is not the best person for you. Just get away from your your pops. and you know They said they're leaving Golden Boy also, which is just okay.
01:47:31
Speaker
But whatever. I knew that fight wasn't going to happen. I believe he got sick, but man, I think his dad kind of exaggerated with the poisoning and all that, you know? probably of like which is yeah doctor said nothing happens doctor said you're perfectly fine so baby just been a 24-hour bug shakura was like he didn't make it to the press conference so he already knew something was up he already knew something was up so why would you give up a million dollars that was a million dollars uh for that for that fight would you take a dive for million uh i don't know if you look at it the way i mean
01:48:05
Speaker
If they knew that fight was risky and they wanted to pull out, I think, you know, they look at how much money they've invested in his career. you know what I'm saying? You look at it like that, right? look How much will it to take for you to take the dive?
01:48:19
Speaker
Take a dive. I tell Turkey I want ah equity in your Riyadh season. i want ah I want a piece of a pie, anything Riyadh season connected to Riyadh season. but Okay, so he wants some equity.
01:48:31
Speaker
Yeah, because turkey's turkey Turkey's money is very long. so and Check what Morning Wombat said here. They said the Saudis threatened to jail them if they kept accusing Shakur of poison.
01:48:42
Speaker
I believe it. They don't pay that shit. Feed them to the lions. Yeah. You know, you'll full for people under the Yeah. yeah give me back get that smith you know you'll be fall for people under the stairs not um You go to jail over there, you ain't getting no type of pork.
01:49:00
Speaker
Kiss bacon goodbye. you don't want it. It'll be international scene, a crisis. oh do You talk slick over here. yall You can't do that stuff over there.
01:49:10
Speaker
Yeah, a black woman went over there not too long ago and got to talking. They threw her ass straight in jail. why yeah Well, something else we were talking about, and you were very adamant about this, Papi Chuviello, so we're going to start with you.
01:49:24
Speaker
ah We had a late addition that I think all of us who chose this late addition chose him based off the fact that we actually thought there was some sort of training going on.
01:49:38
Speaker
Maybe some sort of athletics happening, maybe some calisthenics, maybe some sit-ups, something. But it turns out we got something totally different. Tell us what happened here, Papi. Well, ah what we didn't get long to kind of figure it out.
01:49:52
Speaker
But I personally picked Bacoli. I think I had him like KO, not going past seven, KO seven or something like that. um Because that's just that's thats who just who he is.
01:50:04
Speaker
He's huge. He's athletic. He's strong. He can take punches. So, so He comes out. You know, Joseph Parker got off on him for a second.
01:50:15
Speaker
Joseph Parker got popped. Bam. Got hit. Bacoli started walking him down. And a punch to the top of the head, bro. Shows that while you're not sparring, you don't have any punch resistance.
01:50:30
Speaker
you haven't you know You ain't get used to taking shots. And that shot that he got hit with, I mean, I think that if he was in shape, he would have been able to take that shot. But I... Joseph Parker didn't have another round to last if he didn't catch that shot because Bacoli was walking him down and he was hitting him with fast, hard, powerful shots.
01:50:51
Speaker
So you know what? umm gonna get props to um I'm to give props to my man over there, you know, um Joseph Parker. You know, you – Didn't impress me.
01:51:03
Speaker
not that Not that you need to. You didn't impress me with the way you were boxing, but you it's a heavyweight division. One shot could put them all bed. So congrats on the win. But, you know, I still, just like Shiraz, Bacoli is still one of my sleeping giants. I'm taking him over anybody right now if he has a full training camp.
Joseph Parker vs. Martin Bacoli Fight
01:51:24
Speaker
Yeah, it was a Joseph Parker second round TKO as Papi Tuneo was just saying. And so that's what he was alluding to when he said Parker didn't probably have another round in him. If it got to the third or fourth, Bacoli probably would have got to him. But that's the exact right. What you hit on the head.
01:51:39
Speaker
And I think everybody else is going to hit on this. I'm sure everybody else will. But when you you said it exactly right, and they said this on the broadcast, I heard the commentating booth say this, something similar. that when you're not training, you don't have that wind, you don't have that, the the the stamina, you don't have the, you ain't been hit, you ain't been training, you ain't been doing nothing that you're gonna come in and when you get hit in the top of the head like that, you're gonna wobble and fall down very easily.
01:52:03
Speaker
Skywalker, keep us moving. Hey man, mad respect and credit to Bacoli. You talk about a last minute replacement. This was like last minute. The guy had to hop on a plane and save the show.
01:52:17
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Mad respect to Bacoli and congratulations to Joseph Parker, but I think man, would have been a different situation if Bacoli had a full training cap. Like Ernest said, he's he's he's he's gonna he's gonna do he's go do big things in the future.
01:52:32
Speaker
And yeah, man, that was just too too short of a notice, you know what mean? That's what you call jet lag, bro. It's jet lag. Yeah, jet lag. Right. Only two days and I got to fly all the way across the... Pretty much got a phone call on how to hop on a plane, bro. like that Josh, what do you think about this?
01:52:50
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Yeah, when they said that McCauley was 315 pounds, I knew that that was a problem right there. And I was under the assumption, and I think all of us were under the assumption that he was in there training because I know he had a fight coming up in April with F.A. Jagma.
01:53:08
Speaker
But, yeah, if you're 315 pounds, it's hard to just give you that validity as far as joining going in there and getting a win over another elite heavyweight there. And I think that Parker, he, you know, it's a double-edged shorts for both his last minute for Parker as well, but he had bulked up a bit more, put on more weight because he came in at 267, which may be the heaviest he's ever been, but he was preparing for Dubois.
01:53:36
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But that being said, McCauley, yeah, for a guy being out of shape, yeah, he was getting a little bit of work in and he took a big shot right before that one that kind of took his equilibrium out. But that being said,
01:53:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's just a wait for me. As soon as I saw that, I knew that, hold up, this might not go how I thought it would. Well, and like you said, Joseph Parker was training. At least he was training for something.
01:53:59
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Like, he might have not been training for that opponent, but at least he was training, whereas Bacoli was doing nothing. And Clever we're going to come to you, but this is a hilarious combat comment from Morning warm Wombat. He looks like he ate the Martin Bacoli that we took here. That's tremendous. He says, I've watched all his fights, and he's never been that out of shape. He landed the day after the fight.
01:54:20
Speaker
Have y'all ever seen that? Clever D, what are thoughts about this fight? I mean, he's 100% correct about that. i mean, you look at it. I saw a video, and that's why I got a little, I was like, damn, like I wanted to change my and my pick when I saw the weight that he weighed in as, and then they saw a video of him walking in the airport at two in the two or three in the morning with a tired-ass outfit. They're like, oh yeah, my manager had to grab me something. and it could it It's all they could find.
01:54:45
Speaker
So when I saw when i saw the weight, and then I saw him come to the ring, I said, oh boy. He literally looked like the... the ah ah the dude from Coming to America who kicked him out the house when they were in the apartments when he was smoking a the The landlord, he looked just like him.
01:55:03
Speaker
But then, I swear, I thought, thought book okay, McCulley gonna knock him out, whatever, whatever. When he hit him, and he just, ah, like that, like just ate it. Oh, yeah. I said, oh, boy. Oh, boy. And then when he cocked upside top of his head, like he did, he did the Kamala, he fell backwards, and when I saw him one of them legs going air, I said, oh, man, he ain't getting up. And then he got up,
01:55:23
Speaker
His trainer said, nah, we're going to stop this. Because like everybody's mentioned, if you're not, if you're training and you're not sparring and getting hit, you know what I'm saying? That's 260-something pound man who's been training is going hit you. And you're not to getting hit, you know, some of that's going happen. So, but if I go back in time and get that Biff Almanac and see the weight that he was coming in as, um out a people coley I would have done that.
01:55:45
Speaker
Yeah. No, I think no serious person on earth would have picked him knowing what he was coming in looking like. There's just no getting around that, that if you're not training, you're not ready for a fight. And especially ah like Papi Junio said, a heavyweight fight where you got people trying to knock your head off with, you know, hundreds of pounds of force.
01:56:03
Speaker
So, yeah, no, not even. You they have some trouble with these heavyweight fights, man. um Our Cuban dude went over there. He looked kind of crazy. Like, what happened to him?
01:56:17
Speaker
um The Makhmedov dude who went over there, he looked kind of crazy. The Deontay Wilder fight, that shit was wildly crazy. And it just it seems like, remember with Big Baby Miller and Du Bois?
01:56:31
Speaker
like just It just seems like there's some issues around you know people not being ready and being too heavy and not... I don't think they're coming in time.
01:56:43
Speaker
I think they're not doing like Asim Rockman when he fought in Lennox Lewis. He went to Africa about a month and a half ahead of time and got accustomed to the the time zone and everything. So I'm not sure when these fighters are getting over there and starting their training camp or maybe they're just like coming in maybe the week of or maybe two weeks.
01:56:59
Speaker
Maybe they got to come in three weeks or four weeks and just got to get their bodies used to it. Ain't nobody in a hurry to get out in 140 degrees. I promise you that. I don't know. yeah Hey, and I saw that Lawrence Sicoli on the broadcast, because he's moved to heavyweight, bridgeweight, heavyweight now, he mentioned that he was offered to fight.
01:57:18
Speaker
And I'm guessing there may have been some others who were offered to fight, which makes you wonder why they went with Bacoli, but maybe they just saw the potential in terms of this big guy coming in or whatnot. But if they offered it to others,
01:57:32
Speaker
in It could have been a thing, but Coley is in training or something. He lives in Abu Dhabi, which is like three hours away. i think that's one of the main factors also, that he can get there so fast.
01:57:43
Speaker
he was He's about three hours away in Abu Dhabi. Coley and Dubois would have both beat him. Yeah. If Dubois was...
01:57:53
Speaker
That's the main event, but I wanted to see that fight so bad. Yeah, it was a good one. I think Du Bois would have won that fight based off of what I saw from from Parker. I think Parker, I know he's younger than than the rest of the guys, but I think you know his punch resistance isn't that good anymore.
01:58:10
Speaker
He gets hurt in every fight that I've seen so far.
01:58:16
Speaker
Yep, yep, very stupid. Okay, cool. ah Yeah, again, I think that that that would have changed all of our opinions. So we're all taking a mulligan on that. We don't lose that one. Keep it moving.
01:58:27
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And we are off to the main event. Y'all have been waiting for it all show long. We appreciate y'all sticking with us. Almost two hours in, we are almost
Bivol vs. Beterbiev Rematch
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So y'all make sure you please tap in and support all of the content creators on this stream. Cool. That being said, let's keep it moving to the main event of the night. What we came to see, the last crescendo, Dimitri Bevel with a ah tremendous,
01:59:12
Speaker
comeback performance after losing the his belt in the previous fight to Archer Berabieb as this was the rematch and so going to put the scores up we see it was via a majority decision 114-114 was a split card 116-112-115-113
01:59:31
Speaker
in favor of Bevel for the majority decision victory Clubber D this was an amazing main event tell me about it Well, I think something that happened, uh, that we spoke about finally did happen. And ah kind of think father time jumped up on a better BF and, um, you know, he started kind of slow. He's investing a lot in the body, but in the middle rounds, he started taking over and I thought that was going to be the duration of the fight. He's going to knock the ball out. Maybe, and maybe 11th, if that was going happen, but then
02:00:09
Speaker
the ball turned that around was like okay if I'm gonna get on my track shoes I'm still gonna I'm still gonna stay in the bank with you a little bit and then move around a lot so that's something that he didn't do as much in the first fight because I'm a big person I'm a big advocate of if you're backing up the whole time you should not win because you're not you're not ready to stay on your standing you're staying your ground but he backed up got out of harm's way and still got off Berbiev.
02:00:32
Speaker
So I think that was the deciding factor in this fight. And I'm big fan Arthur Berbiev. I thought he was going take him out, but he was dominating in the middle rounds with him. But Voss said, no, no, not today, buddy. but Not today. So he started... ah oh Tienoff back on better be to catch him before he can catch him.
02:00:49
Speaker
And ah I had it, the ball by two points. But i I thought I was going see a draw. I was very honest with you. I thought I was to see a draw in this fight. But I had the ball. sorry, the ball by two points.
02:01:00
Speaker
But the way that you put it was perfect because the the fight and how back and forth it was, was even played out within the within the the rounds of scoring. Because like you said, BF came out, tried to establish ah going to the body, putting in more work than Bivol, but then Bivol noticed, yo, I'm falling behind very, very quickly in this fight, and I need to do something to turn it around.
02:01:22
Speaker
Josh, tell us more about that. Yeah, I mean, I did pick Bivol coming in. also did the last one as well. But I think was one of the deciding factors was in this case there when BWF got Bevo hurt I thought he pounced on that opportunity and maybe expended more than he initially had planned to do so when you look at the last fight Better BF, he really kind of owned the second half of the contest.
02:01:52
Speaker
And in this case, you can say Better BF owned like the first half through that middle rounds portion. And then from there, BVOL, he took the back end. He took the last bits of the rounds there outside of the 12th, which could have gone either way, I suppose I gave it to Better BF.
02:02:08
Speaker
But I think that difference was maybe when he pounced on Bivol and it looked like he had him hurt there and like, oh, this could turn into something stoppage wise.
02:02:19
Speaker
But maybe he expended a bit more. He thought he had him. And then from there, Bivol, he knew he had to sit down on those clutches and he had to dish himself out. And I thought he won it. I scored it 115-113 in favor of Dimitri Bivol.
02:02:34
Speaker
And hey, we get a trilogy out of it. That's the best part. The best part is that we are definitely going to get a rematch as was alluded to earlier. Uh, WBC got that belt bank. Yep.
02:02:47
Speaker
Okay. So there's a plan. All right. Well, Bobby will tell us about that in just a second. Uh, Skywalker, what were your thoughts on this fight? Uh, it was a great fight, man. Um, I had a better beat. It looked like better beat was whooping some ass. But at the same time, Bivol was was letting off counter punches and moving around and scoring.
02:03:08
Speaker
You know what I had a 115, 113 Bivol. Bivol kind of controlled the the later rounds. ah It was a good fight, man. I don't mind the trilogy. I'm not, you know, I'm cool. I'm all I'm all for it, man.
02:03:23
Speaker
I had better beef by knockout, but it didn't happen. Uh, Bevel's, you know, this master boxer, man, he's, he's, he's great. Yeah. and that's exactly what happened because then in those middle rounds, Bevel won those probably four rounds in a row, probably from five to, you could, you could throw up seven, seven was kind of up in the air for me, but five through eight, pretty much most people had him winning.
02:03:44
Speaker
And I'm going bring up the cards before we go to poppy, because I do have that card here, but, um, or your the scores, excuse me. ah But also, Beterbiev did well to come back after that and see that he was falling behind and he needed to step it up.
02:03:59
Speaker
And that's what made it great, the back and forth action. And so you can see the three scorecards here on your screen, um which will indicate to you why these were so close. But yeah, Papi, I think we all had it so far because I had it 115, 113 as well for Bevo. So it looks like we've had that across the board. What did you think?
02:04:17
Speaker
Well, I had, ah first of all, I picked um i picked Better Beave for KO 11. I thought that he was going to come in and be a lot stronger and go straight into Wolverine mode, which is exactly what he did.
02:04:31
Speaker
He went straight into Wolverine mode. um I felt like Beavele, so the moral of the story for the fight for me, the this the story title for me was Beavele got beat up, but he won.
02:04:47
Speaker
He won the fight, but he got beat up, right? So, BetterBeave was just constantly applying pressure. He was going to the body, but Beave was getting off on those slick combos.
02:04:57
Speaker
Man, them combinations were slick. He was getting off on them with them, but it's just like, in this fight versus the last fight, I only seen maybe two or three times that Beevil was able to stop Better Beev and kind of stun him in it and stop him. But he still went forward, right? It's like he just, he got stunned, but he was like, okay, I'm going back at you. And I felt like Better Beev, like, I felt like he was going to the body crazy. And I was like, okay, by the time round four got got here, I put a note in my thing. I said, Arthur is having his assistant phone the battered shelter.
02:05:33
Speaker
that's not I felt like he was just beating on him, bro. But then Bevo just kept coming back with sick combos. He landed more shots. He was more busier. Arthur forgot about the body later on.
02:05:45
Speaker
um I had to fight 114-114. um i just it was just It was really hard to call. I didn't know you know whether they thought that you know the the forward pressure. Because, man, better be every shot he threw has stank on it.
02:06:00
Speaker
e All of it. Shout out to Bevo for the toughness in the chin. Shout out for Better B for going forward. I didn't see Father Time catching up with him in this one.
02:06:10
Speaker
What I saw was Bevo just being in the better boxer, just like he was the first time, doing what he does. and and having And having the heart of a lion and being tough. Oh, yeah, and the WBC did take – they're taking that belt from him, so they're just messing up. don't know what it is.
02:06:27
Speaker
I don't know. It's weird. You know, you see you got a fighter who has all four championship belts and then you got to fight this happening. and There's an interim belt in there, but the the four belt champion is not hurt or injured and is active. So it don't make sense to me.
02:06:39
Speaker
But, you know, guys yeah, I definitely have to give some ah the step aside money, you know, make that happen. yeah I mean, i I definitely want to see the trilogy. Bevo was a master boxer here. He put on a class.
02:06:56
Speaker
I disagree with one point that you made, though, Papi. I do agree that Better Biev obviously brings a lot of of thump with his punches. But I remember I saw through the first four rounds that Better Biev had double the amount of punches thrown and obviously double the amount of punches landed because of that.
02:07:13
Speaker
But a lot of the time in those first few rounds, I was seeing him... posting him, keeping him away with his guard. But a lot of the punches were kind of hitting him on the arm. And yeah, that still hurts.
02:07:25
Speaker
um And it still affects the boxer when they are you know looking how they're going counterpunch. But it also seemed like he was just throwing a lot of shots that weren't necessarily as thumping as they could have been because it seemed like he was just trying to keep pace, keep Bevel away and things like that.
02:07:42
Speaker
And I think that's how he racked up so many more punches than Bevel. But Bevel was actually being very, um, precision precision with his strikes was making sure that he was picking and choosing the right spots of when to throw his punches and counter punch.
02:08:00
Speaker
hey I agree. I think that's valid. Another observation that I had was that when it came to Bivol, he is most definitely a counterpuncher, and he had all of the success counterpunching.
02:08:14
Speaker
In the case of Bette Biv, that may be one of his drawbacks, I guess because he's leading so much. Yeah, he's not really under doesn't really counter punch because he's usually the one setting in the tone getting off.
02:08:25
Speaker
And I think some of those counter punches were eye catchy there for the judges as well. And B-Bowley has such great footwork that also some of the things that played better B-Ev is a, he's very economical in his punches. Typically, maybe this is why a lot you were seeing a lot of mitches misses because he was going forward a little bit more, but We've seen at times where while Bivol is moving around the ring, Beterbiev is coming forward, but he's not throwing much. you know And I think those are probably two of the things that really stand out.
02:08:59
Speaker
It gives a nod to Bivol's footwork, but also with Beterbiev, how does he look you know trying to counter letting them come to him and then trying to make some things happen? Yeah.
02:09:12
Speaker
no also didn't he didn't do a lot of back he didn't he didn't fight off the back foot he's he's really good and fighting off the back foot he just he just went in there in wolverine mode bro he was just often to go forward and try to break this dude he didn't um man i just i don't know it was a great fight for me yeah love i thought coming off that knee injury you know he would he'd be a little more active towards the end of those the the later rounds and bival was just being so slick with him he it's like he just not saying he lost a step he just couldn't he couldn't fire off the way he wanted to like he did in the last fight i figured okay more rest i come off that ah that knee injury and didn't see that and i was like oh man i think
02:09:52
Speaker
I want to see a third fight, but you know what are we going to see in a third fight? are we going to see the same cat and mouse game where the cat's getting outpointed by the mouse, or are we going to see the cat be maybe quicker this time and and and and cut the ring off so the mouse can't run that far?
02:10:09
Speaker
I'm a little worried. and We'll see what the WBC has to say about this, too, because Turkey-Lot Sheep might just say, hey, sit down for a second, Calvin. We don't need to see that fight. I was really surprised.
02:10:20
Speaker
He circled into his power the whole night. Yeah. And I'm like, he's right there for you. What are you doing? So that's where I was like, is he getting old? Is his his brain and his body not thinking in the same?
02:10:32
Speaker
You know, he didn't look like he didn't fall off, but just it's not what I expected at all from him. Yeah. And that's the other thing. The cat is going to be a year older at least next time he fights or six months older. So how would that affect his strength, his stamina, his quickness, his agility, stuff like that. so All right. Awesome. Well, that was a hell of a stream. Thank you all, gentlemen. That was amazing.
02:10:56
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