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W najnowszym odcinku "Wycinków z przyszłości" zanurzamy się w gorący temat, który właśnie elektryzuje internet - funkcję generowania obrazów w stylu Ghibli przez ChatGPT. Czy to kolejny przejaw kreatywnej ewolucji, czy raczej bezpardonowa kradzież artystycznego dziedzictwa?
Studio Ghibli, założone przez legendarnego Hayao Miyazakiego, to nie tylko charakterystyczna estetyka, ale przede wszystkim filozofia tworzenia. Ich filmy - od "Totoro" przez "Księżniczkę Mononoke" po "Nausicaę z Doliny Wiatru" - to dzieła głęboko humanistyczne, proekologiczne i prorodzinne. Sam Miyazaki, znany ze swojego zaangażowania społecznego i przynależności do związków zawodowych, kilka lat temu w słynnym już wywiadzie określił twory AI jako "obrazę dla życia" i zapowiedział, że jego studio nigdy nie skorzysta z tej technologii.
I właśnie ten wywiad wraca teraz jako memiczny boomerang, gdy internet zalewa fala generowanych przez AI obrazków - od Jaruzelskiego i Saddama Husseina po 11 września - wszystkie w charakterystycznym stylu Ghibli. To nie tylko wyrwanie estetyki z kontekstu, ale także spłycenie przekazu całego studia.
Przypadek ten otwiera szerszą dyskusję o ekonomii twórców w erze AI. Z jednej strony, narzędzia te demokratyzują tworzenie - wystarczy jeden przycisk, by wygenerować obrazek, który kiedyś wymagałby lat praktyki. Z drugiej - czy to jeszcze kultura remiksu, gdy proces twórczy sprowadza się do prostego promptu?
Warto zauważyć, że problem praw autorskich nie jest nowy w kontekście AI. Niemiecka GEMA pozwała Suno.ai za możliwość generowania piosenek łudząco podobnych do hitów takich jak "Forever Young" czy "Mambo No. 5". Podobnie New York Times walczy z OpenAI o wykorzystanie swoich treści do trenowania modeli.
Co ciekawe, podczas SXSW ujawniono, że niektórzy inwestorzy wręcz zachęcają startupy AI do unikania pozyskiwania licencji i "trenowania na żywych organizmach". To rodzi pytanie - czy takie podejście to amerykański styl technokolonizacji? Czy europejskie firmy postąpiłyby inaczej?
Jednocześnie obserwujemy, jak narzędzia AI zmieniają interfejsy i sposób naszej interakcji z technologią. Od Perplexity, które tworzy artykuły na podstawie wielu źródeł, po zaawansowane systemy text-to-speech, które są już nieodróżnialne od ludzkiego głosu - wkraczamy w erę, gdzie granica między człowiekiem a maszyną staje się coraz bardziej rozmyta.
Czy w świecie, gdzie AI może generować obrazy, teksty i dźwięki nieodróżnialne od ludzkich, nadal potrzebujemy być kulturowo obyci? Czy nadal musimy znać filmy, książki i muzykę, by tworzyć wartościowe treści?
Może te AI-owe "wydmuszki" to tylko chwilowy trend, który przeminie za kilka dni. Ale problemy, które odsłaniają, pozostaną z nami znacznie dłużej.
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Introduction & Technology Trends
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Monika Borycka
Hello, welcome to podcast of the future. Welcome the future, and welcome to Joanna Froda-Kurkowska.
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Monika real
Monika Borycka, czyli Trend Radar.
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Monika Borycka
We are technology nerd-like scourge. Monika, what's up today?
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Monika real
have a question you. Do you have a new avatar, or a podcast, or a wizerunek on a wizytown style Ghibli? and then you emperor proto vironagna visit tukaellukibli
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Monika Borycka
No. I have to be a bit.
The Evolution of the Creator Economy
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Monika Borycka
creator economy and the impact the technology in the current environment.
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Monika real
and on economy of creators, on the trend that is already quite long, but he is evolving and his trajectory is very different. We are in the middle of the show on now, open AI, not only a tool, but a tool that
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Monika real
of AI, because we can actually three years of different platforms to make different images of
AI Art & Studio Ghibli's Cultural Impact
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Monika real
AI. But as it is, of to the and
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Monika real
<unk>onanaana obbraski so the our yeah dpu and open ai che of kotni and poniva ta duja also played postan of yuop at theavva tenova functional nochi and so you cover <unk>ni iaden still the obrask gumo so i um the gun of night type shaharji dr gonaci cha ago but lama obbuerosac dema ah chili vikco justania avrant zbabovana
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Monika real
the art and the I you be, if it comes to pop culture.
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Monika Borycka
How it is when it comes to
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Monika Borycka
Because when it comes to Studio Ghibli and Hayao Miyazakiego,
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Monika real
Bye.
Environmental Stance & Cultural Influence of Studio Ghibli
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Monika Borycka
It's not just a simple thing that someone has trained in a style. It's a lot more difficult to know if you know the history of the studio, if you know the history of the studio. One only thing is that everyone here is talking about the Ghibli, but the style of which the studio is known much evolved from the old style.
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Monika Borycka
innej firmy produkcyjnej, TOEI. So here we have an evolution of graphics. It is also a normal thing.
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Monika Borycka
However, the I ah Studio Ghibli Hayao Miyazaki, they are very pro-ekologiczne, and it is whole debate.
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Monika Borycka
ah for pro-ziemska, pro-ludzka.
Miyazaki's Philosophy on Life & Art
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Monika Borycka
Sam Miyazaki, a
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Monika Borycka
he said a quote that he now shares his Instagram TikToks.
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Monika real
It was a meme. I just say, I just say, saw it 2-3 years ago, right after all the services that were generated.
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Monika Borycka
um sub shiman but
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Monika Borycka
talk
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Monika real
the for starship to ski whoo vozana who's gonnavan him
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Monika Borycka
um
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Monika real
the quadna
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Monika Borycka
gi yakash i vikovta maccha the etaachia artisticna ah top way have your show orauhayo mia zaki to which is an insult to life itself. It's an insult to life itself. It's an insult to life itself.
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Monika Borycka
But why do I say it? It's very important in context
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Monika Borycka
ah Totoro, loved by whole generation, Ponyo. You can't really say that you can't really say.
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Monika Borycka
ah yeah
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Monika real
sometimestayfima yeah ma power like film maura vogul as up oppos now with do gen change but just but what up ah To
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Monika real
then
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Monika real
And this culture has been used to many times
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Monika real
vloro nicha that was the study that was brought into the interest of the ordinary, because the world created by Studio Ghibli are just magic and they in a very emotional way of the world.
Remix Culture & Creator Economy
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Monika real
did grand onta home ah barzana suhe <unk> so taki him the
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Monika Borycka
ah to
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Monika real
yeah
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Monika Borycka
waco
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Monika real
talk na paro
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Monika Borycka
mean gili yama to ah glass suhai ko its cropka friendship over italy in hipakkaishna studio gitinafiach studio ghiblito yeah na domo drka baro varsnaja actorta sheba zaummina they star also bombed me as like hey go ego perut skipodesh titotrok turritesh brahuja suansky protest ah is aion zeval mut just muron kimvion kuzavodov chi tago postsavaisterzbaro proluzka in a way to do what presents Big Tech and the intelligence in a major, technocratic world.
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Monika Borycka
<unk> k caritionna vi
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Monika real
and that just doesn't think of it. That's what he's like, under his own imagination.
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Monika Borycka
A to ciekawe, a person who created a lot of the world, who doesn't imagine the
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Monika Borycka
but after muhiutto's ra ta somema so bea towish muganroid when you co aus that But these styles are different. Monika, have to do experiments with the cosmos. I'm still in Japan, creating Gundamy, which look like mozaics. But we see that something happened.
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Monika Borycka
ah allla it <unk> a tush tush so so starbosh shit okay goes ah like the I have a example.
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Monika Borycka
My Instagram looks like now, that I in many different types of people.
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Monika Borycka
It is very important to me, that is very important to me, that is a very important thing. so the very better judge is complex <unk>ya bar of va andakia ah ja taia to come memizaia I don't want to say that of the
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Monika Borycka
mu mainos or altsfaispaliius ospottifao guja rusnaga rusard disimmins inir um on
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Monika real
you
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Monika Borycka
playlist like chill out, relax. So these are the
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Monika Borycka
I think that's what I think about it.
AI's Transformation of Media Landscapes
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Monika Borycka
First of all, there is lot of creators' economy, because people are but it culture of remix and the strides.
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Monika real
It's a cultural mix with of the buttons. It's something that we have been the old internet Trade Center in Ghibli and
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Monika real
theres that the fact of start ah tout ti touch is the it not notuvaga i start to na pis such <unk>vi
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Monika real
which means that the style is completely hidden. think that the is
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Monika real
obsess um and then a la ah e ah to thought those two vi kutura and mi so ah itutai like andvavi ki near fevaltobo We wanted make a the the the
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Monika real
novahi na gonnavano or op obbrasco supermo ah prosaggo a prostate commande by the way of the knowledge of the people, which is because the economy of the twercy. When it was created in the media, not
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Monika real
just a studiophym of just professor nali muzekov to access um ah foods for but because toresh she taji nika al luji plazmano from me yeah Kiedyś to
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Monika real
It was very good thing to do with the to do it when they had few skills to make fun of the film. Their imagination was so much more than the mechanics of the technology.
AI's Impact on Content Creation
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Monika real
na penzayon sat and sa mahanni sumjaavva that tenitna festivalested dawahi push upan no Now, the a a
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Monika real
and not the thought the sawa sawata akia ah dotawa terranaja andja which actually create of but puyavi imamadata kiss california yeah avati vtakeus puvija um vi or niche doma yeah the food buto ship kim tipvas on them
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Monika real
marketing, because of the solo creator. lapsos swahi economic foods so ball ah says the the go soloretaator we get a huge amount of money from the business, along with AI,
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Monika real
business of torason ah ah apart the chance to nava tini oelia vaente sallo carto jaquetorre bras is ah spupratons a i m Nagle buduje imperium oparty o content, impact tych technologii,
00:14:08
Monika real
colla benji tato yeah ahruestrone im and nara yeah dr john said ah prafa alorski so raswinha go sum will summo ah spvo The but i have a good content to yakwashir just aislo ah logandar and the proposed tunas are la she no just um um to cola and obbraski devaned la za bae those tano but I can't wait for you.
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Monika real
andgrama to highche those both <unk> like the the shortcota go sumo dovamiammo open ai
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Monika Borycka
28 March.
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Monika real
talk
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Monika Borycka
but martin
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Monika real
ta now el let me to shot su ye and no um but bavana vas suniak e justuny is for uvaga the kolenago chi kafcha go and ticafcha gonaange to chikafre memospheric trapura <unk> national uvagata vintoysagna pratas bava afila alia pava which will remain without consequences, which we have started talking about.
00:15:08
Monika Borycka
I just vgo do podcast podcast in the chat for the kids who are not aware the Akiry and Domu, two monk and one anime.
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Monika real
so suppress um
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Monika Borycka
ChatGP just me says that he can't do this because it's now a bit of violation of author's rights. But if I ask him if he can create a podcast in style anime, I will give him. I don't show him, I don't show I don't show him, but I will tell him. He's very well. I just have 50 kg.
00:15:49
Monika Borycka
and baradamot huza ya works stra aakish pinish on kilogram of But when I asked him if he could create a new album that looked like a beloved anime from the 90s, it was based on the Ghibli.
00:16:06
Monika Borycka
But without problem Monika was a woman of the anime. it's interesting how the conversation and vince toyuschiicava yakta rosmova with the end. Exactly what you said. I just do this from the chronicle, that it is creators
00:16:28
Monika Borycka
economic at fuu ah AI-owych, to also, because it is not to say, it is not to say, it is not to be a ECH-a and the product AI-owe are not to be a ECH-a.
Influence of Technology Conglomerates
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Monika Borycka
In this moment, the Organized Zbiorowego Zarządzania in Germany. For those who don't know, it is a unique policy the AX-u.
00:16:52
Monika Borycka
against Suno AI. I also do chika boni muniica baro chikaic the of course, the music is amazing. Who knows? Forever Young, Daddy Cool, Mambo No. 5, Sherry Sherry Lady.
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Monika Borycka
think everyone knows. Even Monika, you are not a fan of music.
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Monika Borycka
on no ah mostly voschi vigannarana tick the platform Suno.
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Monika Borycka
technology of conglomerate, but...
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Monika real
But wait, because it's a topic that we're going to have three years ago. I don't see here any light in the tunnel. I think that's how it's like boomerang. When we're going to get button on the right hand, it's a new one.
00:17:53
Monika real
kdeish produce glance is come to the transva pra alorsski naru sanre a ato toagle is novel super possible vi afali to
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Monika real
We just accepted the fact that so the accept of aish fact that
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Monika Borycka
that he was a kid.
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Monika real
ah that's good take. And that to be able to stay the same as the nadawists. We wanted to to or TikTok, or LinkedIn, or music, which someone who has been able produce. It's all nice, but still it's all about the gigant.
00:18:53
Monika real
We use the are still available for big techs, yeah had biggest autotonopsist the gi example java courses to him and ajaja but tarton and na just bigta yeahovish derubuyami abspomo and them using the tools that are used by big tech.
00:19:10
Monika real
ah asja mimo the obbi needs a niport la gochi as de schmitzaras barji u yeah ought to otego yeah conlota bigta hehikiwi um abpsuqua gibri because we announcedos And
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Monika real
And it's for me the
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Monika Borycka
Hmm.
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Monika real
now all ah and and new ah a new may watching the pro ofvan app just open a i ah eat tarom so shift so beingha kifi so viction taki I was is ah taud as ma mon ro vam ah e la gen senasolle
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Monika real
positive new york times substantive open ai e prava tage vi verja benja absolutely precedence in the In the other hand, we have also erugetana mamatashrube ah do gada się perplexity
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Monika real
No i też mamy cały zasób nowych produktów,
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Monika real
ah tora taonak ki po duni ga of the then no so and him tomi pravamit attack na ofvi platform me a confessionist ai
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Monika Borycka
Yes, there are also some good practices of watermarking practices. I can't say that music a bit different. But I think I have a little bit of a thought about what it would be like. the best spchamo musicva po natoas the vita mis justtanava e manta corromina so but ah Because like said, this is a good analogy.
00:21:43
Monika Borycka
someone has something like this, three years ago, and nothing. Who has something to do we have to do with it. What would be if company was european?
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Monika Borycka
but sistertan a them shemantaco ers queen karikazaragova butina vogula ora which its a bill kodaputaina tragoste ah to bo baakish vi say zaov pararavne tumo of buo be bobe pilumo vanapo ah
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Monika Borycka
in the business of the sale of the license. I think that's good academic idea, which we can do in a free time. But I think that's not just an American style techno-colonizer.
00:22:30
Monika Borycka
I think that's...
00:22:32
Monika real
Yes, that's a good question.
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Monika Borycka
You you know, you know, know, you know,
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Monika real
What is happening here?
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Monika real
Because this problem of ah the chip postu needs to hurt the guittanion novan ya yeah va it ah yeah put um but para the tuquena
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Monika real
Toolbit, Human Native, Scalepost, to
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Monika Borycka
But there is also a to
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Monika Borycka
to generate music, they are asked by investors to not to be a
00:24:02
Monika Borycka
It's a spirala that's also a spiral and you probably think about whether the fundus are US or European.
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Monika real
Mm-hmm.
00:24:09
Monika Borycka
I a question and I think that everyone in the knows the answer. ah
00:24:15
Monika real
So you can see that this is a lot its own answers. I to economic to solo solo credit aorrado the goanano business ah mametter stacom da consuha chi narasia album mo za pop proa takiia visco to rap of for du
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Monika real
and nazajausentri and insistan shirotakimi and na chaic to the ah some munet oppro tovanno abbaji o zabavia ah z but of
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Monika Borycka
tota vipe vi etray ah modern a vipe coding tota
Evolution of User Interfaces with AI
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Monika real
Exactly, exactly. It's not just like we have to know the command and feel the pressure that we need to generate. The interface and the other services are also available.
00:25:04
Monika Borycka
vi So vibe fun, something like that?
00:25:19
Monika real
is over subbe swocola ne song
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Monika real
command
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Monika real
the left, or
00:25:58
Monika Borycka
So very analytical. All the UXs are now like this. I'm going to go left. So it's.
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Monika Borycka
<unk>oon log of love
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Monika real
Exactly, so
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Monika Borycka
ah yeah
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Monika real
ah to to is prognosat dr tona nachago fuion novanna ofnimi inter interfaceami that the ta umita sawa pravak jehita handsav san shiterraion and meyruy yeah xagna prata chinichi kaf psychology vo callla terphi weeks ah jon che not and um like and e topokawient product ah etcro nabshcot apart all them informatic To
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Monika Borycka
Okay.
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Monika real
but not is prement our perplexity to the yes to model geneka if adaptso ah to on there, kroczek po które do
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Monika real
to będzie artykuł, czy wideo, czy w wiadomości TV nawet, w ten f neck but output, do sieci, klikamy na jakiś portal internetowy i dostajemy artykuł.
00:27:45
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:27:59
Monika real
yeah but To do tej pory było domena mediów. Tymczasem perplexity wprowadził I can't see you in the place, but they have a function for you. What is there for you? Or even is a lot times, it is just a way to way to say it's articles news, which are built in the so so suha chippu prostu artakue artoku in yourself ah to the sons consovanava which is what the perplexity in the aangja i have a machine virtual is the braa kiut sitatov aisttan o noni ki ku kotaam and a
00:28:44
Monika real
We have an article, sidebar, where we can move on, to see article. the sidebar to the to the muslimza me such is but and exclusive of be stretched the article is a bat ah eat as a to that the of a product called Particle.
00:29:08
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:29:11
Monika real
ah podominni mamaakki product ah inform notion asvaparticla ah tototahitaki tohataki in the moment, the Gral branch, because it's a tool that is a tool that is and then neccoton as much all m the tay applicates yeah ah va the
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Monika real
na naszą... the ah
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Monika real
of information, that we already have time to have time to a avoiding news, which is unification of information from people. We already have no information read and read.
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Monika real
Here we on of
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Monika Borycka
No, no, no, no, no. yeah kind the country
00:30:51
Monika real
My thoughts are my thoughts to do how do you change the interface ah ah itan uis foruve and to create a vashia wi weeks a often yeah yu fo and
00:31:18
Monika Borycka
ta to iim miium the quao to mia movie ah yes we have sureer via to the tentamo
00:31:18
Monika real
the
00:31:25
Monika Borycka
but da and not tomi yeah muha way theer right mono bo just <unk> go butdrue yeah noja de do dutch te chiicava michel po im a vieon yvogula insideami yauristtra not pat sheena in commodum i'm used of but voglo clayono dres pa za za promoson p so Cordiana Klechy, który jest częścią startupu TasteRay.
00:31:52
Monika Borycka
On jest też osobą, która jest związana z UX od wielu, wielu, wielu lat. Dla niego teraz jednym najbardziej fascynujących poszukiwań jest speech to text, ogóle interfejs głosowy w AI-u i on podesłał coś takiego, my to też zalinkujemy, jak Sezam i to jest...
00:32:14
Monika Borycka
a different interaction, a different interaction. The AI very complicated, the interaction is very ludic. would like to see the sheng denti comp computeranta interacts barduut kayappo potan soia too batre but
00:32:29
Monika real
a la mo on pra productioncha and speechto-text taing to the um za and But
00:32:35
Monika Borycka
two text yeah so snap taste until you yeah
00:32:38
Monika real
ah hojito otto autoto autoto um a and novel
00:32:43
Monika Borycka
To jest taki companion bardziej. so etaka taka tay companion To
00:32:45
Monika real
okay
00:32:56
Monika Borycka
Nie chcę mówić, że to hal tysiąc z Odysei Kosmicznej, ale trochę daje takie vibe, but maybe in the so
00:33:30
Monika real
Yes, it was a short episode that was talking about the the
00:33:43
Monika real
take the takeretivienko but gi vienk aldo is vogulatash orom ne near opcrite and alber sotas orevanim if it's
AI's Language & Creative Capabilities
00:33:52
Monika real
just about AI. We also saw experiment in the last time of give human language. Because had problem with these novik najaji and texttope to the totalia o the daion ah <unk>tscom over butni was the tappo manish metaki problem as vian the nave easti um ah is toy um
00:34:15
Monika real
with the and
00:34:26
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:34:30
Monika Borycka
v
00:34:35
Monika real
and it's hard to create it with the tools to create it with the tools of the technology. But we have these new tools, we also have these new tools, new, very obiecting model, which practically totally creates what we say between ourselves. it's in the way that heard this. I heard this in the last few days and it was my brainwashed.
00:34:55
Monika real
etoyus voulev virginia yatogo yes suhanru backa goesos from to god no etoia rovalomo so Because it's like you would listen to we're going to that the the
00:35:14
Monika Borycka
Just a emoji.
00:35:24
Monika real
analytic of technology to proto sumattavaulle and ala tuta su hi chiam pora pierce ka optan eto do But a kolaine zare at tablego all that's all the take so i amja moli justtomp no to why chehikco jesh shaza meka
00:35:57
Monika real
in a philosophical question, Frota, about the degree of creativity. um virginia new
00:36:03
Monika Borycka
I have second question. Do you know that you already don't have to change AI person? Do you wait for work of the the test to avoid campf as known as offtandroidu
00:36:29
Monika Borycka
garbage in, garbage out.
AI in Pop Culture Narratives
00:36:31
Monika Borycka
we create something, we have to know how to create. We have well-reported in the pop culture, we have to be in films, series, books, music, grach.
00:36:42
Monika Borycka
ah muzasza
00:36:43
Monika real
But the question is, we still need, Frota?
00:36:43
Monika Borycka
gra
00:36:45
Monika real
think the whole room of Ghibli OpenAI shows that we don't
00:36:46
Monika Borycka
I think we are going to
00:36:49
Monika real
usual, we are not the end.
00:36:52
Monika real
ghibli open a i pocaua shavashussh ni mushima
00:36:57
Monika Borycka
But look at thing, everything about the internet,
00:36:59
Monika real
and a kuchi missionna can so
00:37:09
Monika Borycka
sontotanev vi muky navat navat ten In the of to Is Ciruhan?
00:37:38
Monika Borycka
Something like that. ah To salach proof of of concept pop culture.
00:38:23
Monika real
ah scam'm sheha santo du muqui and ima v moski torannoo acoruge nobaro villa problemov toretudi vahi v moinko lizneishshmetelov
00:38:29
Monika Borycka
ah
00:38:32
Monika real
ah
00:38:33
Monika Borycka
So, it's a good thing, as always.
00:38:34
Monika real
ah that
00:38:34
Monika Borycka
We're all about five times, it's a good thing.
00:38:36
Monika real
but commissioner some koette yeah vi alovnagochau justtan doos subsis saba ra ma ima opsruovan convacan sequel to a convergance tech technology ito town and paja narazi e also narazinago I think about the pressure, that we are not looking for which is the return of great narrative.
00:38:59
Monika real
to just a bit of the ki potanial to ta himmalajipss sodunami pov vi kichnarazi ah is scholary shirospaja technlog to be more and more and more and more, which will be difficult to connect a whole. But this is a question for the next episode.
Conclusion & Listener Engagement
00:39:21
Monika real
kola not chinaconoosminina
00:39:23
Monika Borycka
Kolejny odcinek i kolejną sprzeczkę. Słuchajcie, dziękujemy Wam bardzo. Piszcie do nas w internecie, ale też poza internetem. Zostawiajcie komentarze. Sprzeczajcie się z nami,
00:39:41
Monika Borycka
No i co? Do usłyszenia.
00:39:43
Monika real
Do usłyszenia!