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Sara McGrath
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Sara McGrath is an illustrator and author of "Garage Girls" and lives in Los Angeles.
About "Garage Girls" - - - Sara & Chloe are best friends, roommates, & co-hosts of garage girls, a weekly talk show that airs at an inconvenient time on Los Angeles' public access channel, a station no one watches. And yet, they become wildly famous and popular. Can you even Believe?
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Introduction
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You are listening to something rather than nothing. Creator and host, Ken Vellante. Editor and producer, Peter Bauer.
Conversation with Sarah McGrath begins
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Hey everybody, we're talking with Sarah McGrath. We're getting right into it. Ken Vellante, you're host and creator, something rather than nothing. And just, hello and welcome on to the show, Sarah. Hi, thank you for having me. Yeah, yeah, really excited to...
Fascination with Lloyd Center Mall
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Backstory is probably useful, you know, like how do you come in contact with anybody's art, but I was at this deep fascination with the Lloyd Center Mall in Portland, Oregon.
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And it's kind of called like different things like zombie mall. It's like looking um low lease rates, odd collections. You don't have a flagship Nordstrom. It's a tattoo shop, NAACP headquarters there for the floating world comics, which is where you arrive
The Humor of 'Garage Girls'
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at. I found Garage Girls, which I understand is sold out right now, a beautiful um a beautiful you piece of art. And funny as hell. And I read it and in contact. you I said, I just i just love this vibe. So we're popping in. like with Let's go with Garage Girls right off the bat. i mean I know there's been some chatter about it. like Where did this thing where did this kit thing come from? like you to tell ah tell us Tell us the story here. um First of all, thank
Origins of 'Garage Girls'
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you. I'm glad that you laughed. Making people laugh and making myself laugh is like the most important thing to me. But Garage Girls, if you've read it, you'll notice that ah the main character's name is Sarah. and My name is also Sarah. And Chloe, her best friend Chloe, I also have a best friend named Chloe. So the idea for Garage Girls
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kind of started, well, I moved to Los Angeles in 2016 into my friend Chloe's apartment, very small apartment, like one person max comfortably. but um and We had a garage and we'd hang out in there all the time and talk and talk. And we had the idea to, we're like, let's do a TV show or, you know, a YouTube show, but make it like a talk show kind of a Wayne's world-esque. And, uh, then I moved out, life went on and I went to grad school in 20, 21.
Fictionalization in 'Garage Girls'
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And we had to think of a thesis project and that was something I really wanted to work on because I guess I say like the show itself is like a Wayne's world idea from us. Um, kind of a heightened version of our personalities, but then the comic is kind of like a Larry Sanders show experience. So yeah there's been this fictionalized
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element. I mean, I consider it fiction. um It's a fictionalized kind of like what happens behind the curtain of this show that in reality, we only did like two episodes. Um, just dropped off pretty quickly. I want them. I want them. I want them. Just I'm jumping in. My brain couldn't stop me right there. Like, uh, it exists. Like if I can have many sort of form I put in, record they're on YouTube still, you can probably look up garage girls, Sarah McGrath on YouTube. Um, and
Influence of Los Angeles on Sarah's Work
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you know, when I kind of revisit those videos, I don't really like recognize myself because they,
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ah such a big period of growth for me from then until now. And that friendship was so, and is so important to me and just really changed me as a person. But when I watch these videos, I'm just kind of like, I feel like I'm watching myself play a character. So in the writing and drawing of Garage Girls, the character of Sarah is also kind of me watching myself as a character, the extreme versions. And the world around Garage Girls is also largely fictionalized. um I really find Los Angeles hilarious. um And that comes into the comic a lot in terms of its setting and people around Sarah and Chloe. Yeah, yeah. I, you know, you dropping in, dropping into that into that world.
Cinematic Aspects of Comics
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There's something about ah in in reading your work, Garage Girls, um there's a point that's always like enunciated in my head when um
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so So I'm gracious in my consumption of comic books and graphic novels. So in zines. So for me, there's a ah strong and beautiful cinematic aspect when the the images and the words and just a combination of of figures that you have in this. And I'm not trying to oversell. i mean as um'm I'm talking about like your work, and and but what I mean is I really enjoy um two major components, like the books that I enjoy the the most, the graphic in scenes, is that when there's this um
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It's cinema. It feels cinema. It has this flow. like The energy I think you're trying to get at, or I would assume you're getting at with like you know ah local cable access, which for me, I think analog, I think bizarro shows that probably went on forever, gems that are lost, yeah things like that. It fascinates me.
Nostalgia and Cable Access TV
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but I remember in graphic now, it's just that description of like, wait, I've been in a movie for a little while, i bet or I've been in the comedy. Like I said, there's some dark comedy, and not to give it to your friend, but like like um ah depiction of incoherence, drunkenness, like language. um So that's what struck me so much, because I like to be in that flow as somebody who experiences art.
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um And one one great graphic novelist that does this for me and has the comedy as well is Noah ah Van Schuyver, who's a big fan of... Oh, wow. Yeah, absolutely. Huge. I get that. certain No. yeah I feel it' the the comedy in the cinematic component. but um So like I say like critically, like in just me looking at it and talking about this work, like success in a sense, because when I think... Cable access and I'm gonna pick up, you know your garage girls. I'm like how do I feel it and I fucking felt it so oh that was That was cool oh What about the cable access idea because for me it's like peculiarity of folks Hey, sorry, you might even have to explain like in general to some of the audience like what the heck why cable access? Can you talk
Sarah's Journey to Visual Art
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about that? Yeah
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um Yeah, I mean, the idea for the Sarah and Chloe in the comic is that they have this really ah delusional, out of proportion sense of self importance. And their kind of their relationship ah is kind of dependent on them constantly gassing each other up. But in reality, things are like kind of busted around them. So cable access for me was a really ah it kind of drove drove the point home that they just maybe like knew someone at this failing station and like they got this show on like a shitty time slot and literally nobody watches it but because they have that they feel like stars but everyone's like who are you um and also you know I grew up in the 90s you know a lot of the media that I
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consumed. I see it in an analog way in my mind. like I love VHS Green. um Yeah, I just think that kind of stuff is cool. i yeah Yeah, I really like that. um I just, just as a ah quick aside, they're not there anymore, but the tattoo shop in the Lloyd Center in Portland is named Immortal Emblem. And one of the things I enjoyed about it, um and I talked to um the the owner and creator, Olivia Britt-Sweet on the show, but just the VHS, VCR setup, like analog, the visuals outside. And it was just this like,
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just this cool vibe that people are attaching to. You're thinking about cassette tapes and, you know, there's nostalgia, but I think people are like wanting the thing. Like, I think philosophically, like they want the, give me it. Like, I want to touch it. Yes, you want the thing. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I'm with you. I don't know if I had a question. I don't know. I have a question. Hey, let's jump over and I want to expound on some other things we talked about, but let's keep talking to the conceptual because it might get way too way late,
Ken's Artistic Identity
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but let's, you know, the legit component of the show and the philosophy, but in, in, in just learning about you, um, when did you see yourself as an artist? Like, was it a moment or did you, we're in diapers and like, I'm going to draw on the walls or what?
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It was actually like so recently. um I grew up with a brother who's a really talented visual artist. um He was always drawing and he makes incredible paintings and sculptures and he's also a musician. So um in our family, he was kind of the artist and I was a big reader and wanted to be a writer. and um I went to school for creative writing. I got my bachelor's in that and I really was ah really drawn to, you know, contemporary fiction, like Laurie Moore, Amy Hempel, Grace Paley, some of my favorite authors, and I really wanted to write short stories. um But I found it
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um It was just like kind of sad.
Transition to Comic Art
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I felt like I wasn't having a lot of fun doing it. I enjoyed the craft of writing. But not only, I mean, comics is also a pretty solitary pursuit. But anyways, I worked as a copywriter for a long time. And I meant for many years of working in, you know, e-commerce startups. I was just kind of like, I don't believe in the written word. and I don't ever want to write again. um But I would always like doodle. um I got in trouble at work once for like doodling at my desk. I was like, doesn't everybody do that? Talk about nonsense. I mean, what an artistic way. That's a whole other story. I mean, yeah, the banality. Fuck off. All right, go ahead. Yeah, yeah.
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Okay, yeah, that's what I said. um But I never, I mean, then I would doodle and stuff, but then I got laid off and the pandemic happened and I, I had been like drawing for many years because I would, where I worked at a bookstore for a long time and I would always draw on Post-its, the customers that came in. ah Because it was just, I mean, if you've ever read like box office poison, or it's another one, just like any bookseller, comic, the customers are always this huge gripe. And I worked at the last bookstore in downtown LA, which is a crazy place. But that was just kind of for fun to keep me entertained at work. um And then not i yeah, yeah. So it wasn't like I didn't consider myself an artist in that way. um But during the pandemic, I just was drawing a lot and like paint busted out like every material that I had.
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um and And then I applied to grad school. I applied to go to CCA to get my MFA in comics. So now I see it as kind of a dovetailing of my a past in creative writing and how much I love reading. And then I've always also always read comics, but it was definitely a big ah learning curve to learn how to draw. I'd never really taken any classes like at all. So I had to figure a lot of stuff out. But, um, yeah, I can say today that I feel like an artist, but that was quite recent.
Philosophical Implications of Being an Artist
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No, I can really, um, I can really connect with, you know, um, what you're saying about like the identity bit, I would have only called myself. I'll be turning 52 soon. And I would only call myself an artist, you know, just direct straight up, no hiding behind it. Maybe seven years ago.
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Almost contemporaneous. Well, at the time it was um when I painted and I ended up feeling some personal success in what I had created as as a painter, which was completely surprising and unexpected. and then um I'd always been obsessive about the arts is in my free time or in my mind, like probably just incredibly so. And um you know the podcast is a way to create, a way to understand and connect and just completely develop like that whole way. But on the identity question, I ended up fastening by asking others because the range of responses, like some people like,
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100% out of the womb. They're going to be an artist, whatever the word was or anything. Like they're going to, that's, that's who they are. Like there's an, any ambiguity, but I think like you're talking about like seeing yourself as it's a huge step. And it's a, when I got there, I felt so cool. Um, yeah And by that, I mean, I discovered that there was a way of interacting with the world and as an artist that gave more freedom than any component in my life that I can think of, you know? like Totally. Like you could, like you had a little bit of a shield or a big shield and be like, that's the artist person saying it. And there's something like, that's freeing in that, I'm not trying to punch that, but like I really connect with what, um
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Becoming an artist or when that happens Yeah, yeah the
Role of Art in Society
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freeing. I mean that all resonates with me. I find it very freeing as well um especially because I kind of like alluded to like, you know trying to write short stories and feeling really sad because they were all sad, you know, like I was in the 20s and um They're all sad and there's no real conclusion and that was like presto. I'm done um but Drawing always gave me a lot of joy and I like having the option to always make myself laugh ah No matter what's going on by drawing something funny is like so powerful for me to really choose like joy and laughter over like Trying to write the most depressing story I can think of Strong strong strong therapy. I like that. I like that vein. What about um, I Uh, there's a different one. Uh, big one. What is art? Right. So we talked about being an artist, but like, you're asking me. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what is, um,
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like, what is it? Like, if we, I mean, I, I get so jazzed, I lose my mind over it, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, what is art? God, what a stumper. I don't know. I mean, it's interesting because I live in Los Angeles. So there is this art market here that um I don't understand and I kind of also make fun of in my comics. um
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But i I wouldn't say that wasn't art. I mean, I love comics because it's so, I feel like it's, you know while graphic novels are gaining a lot more literary attention, the majority of people that I talk to, well, maybe not so much anymore, but a lot of people I talk to still are like, what are comics? What do you do? Do do do you make cartoons? Are you an animation? yeah I'm like, no, just like panels, you know? um And then I explain it as a um ah film you can read. You were saying about a cinematic feeling, or I'm sorry, a comic is a movie you can read, yeah.
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yeah um So I don't know, maybe art is something that just, um, someone made, like, I want to be inclusive of everyone. And I don't know. I mean, to me, art is like creating a feeling. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to stop there. Art is creating a feeling. No. And I like, I liked a bit too, because, um, I mean, if we're talking comics and like scenes and all that stuff, you're right. Here's, here's the, I, In popular culture, I mean I do it a lot of it on the show, but for me um When there are spaces you can have it and in their problem any type of space if I'm talking about comic books I'm talking about zines I'm talking about small press is that there's a group of people at the heart because it'll labor and intensity and
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There's not a lot of money to be made in it. You see a lot of passion Towards it when you're sensitive to that I mean, I just as I've gotten older moving away from just say like traditional type of training, you know I was an English Lit major and you know English and philosophy that type of thing and books are pivotal to me and from as long as I can remember but it's um, the there's there's something about Um, there's something about, uh, the, I don't know if it's a counterculture or a subculture that exists within comics and these conventions and seeing people and being able to make these type of connections, which is why people really enjoy it.
Success and Future of 'Garage Girls'
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There's other negative aspects to it. I mean, there's a deep misogyny and in pockets of comics culture. Like there's, I'm this little boy and don't mess around with it.
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little boy activity and what this little boy, you know, it's like small minded, but like the culture as a whole um ah really really seems expansive. uh with garage girls uh and you know it's sold out in place like silver sprocket i think uh it's a great uh the great creatives there and um everybody check out silver sprocket books but uh sold out and like so people are noticing this thing what about like right now at garage girls and like what's like
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Like what's next if a we can ask. Yeah. I'm working on issue two. Um, I graduated from my program last August and that's when I published garage girls. And I was like next August, like there's going to be second issue, keep it going. Um, but of course, you know, I had, I spent a large part of the past year looking for like stable work and reconfiguring my practice into. my work life in the absence of school and that sort of um responsibility that that entails and having that cohort around me and having deadlines. um But yeah, maybe I have like six pages or something. I'm really trying to approach it in a different way. I'm kind of doing drawing first of just images that I have in my mind and scenes I want to draw um and visually what I want like the city to look like, where these girls go.
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on their next um night out. um So that's been really fun. But since it is sold out, it's so it's so funny. People are like, now I really want one. Well, it really works. But it's given me a bit more drive to get on a more regular schedule and have it out by, ah I hope, October. Lovely. So if you to October 25 pages, if I go over, that'll be awesome. um You know, there's like so many things I want to do too. I was like want to do like a garage girls activity book. I was like amazed in a word search and like classic highlights magazine.
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um but Yeah, we're on issue too and youre not I'm just listening and nodding my head. It's like ah you know having and Enjoyed this and I even think that the activity thing that you mentioned is really ah fun. I um as within within ah ah Another comic and related to a floating world. I'm wearing a Santo sisters Sure, and I've had a fake on the show and in in Santo sisters and I published by Floating World Comics, ah something rather often than nothing. Podcasts had an ad in ah Santos Vista's great comic book, but also the connection back to um
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a floating world in like um you know a great publisher, really recognizing a lot of great artists that I've been able to ah connect with on the show. So I'm glad to hear about the the next part of um ah Garage girls in the in the activity. I'm hoping for once you said highlights I mean, there's some stuff that's been great like wheelhouse, right you're talking about You're talking like the cable access day. I'm like, okay like that that's making sense to me yeah Some of these things right in the wheelhouse we're talking a little bit ah We talked about ah you know art and what it is and identity as an artist.
Art, Perspective, and Empathy
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What do you think? um
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What do you think the role of art is? Like, what do you think it's supposed to do for us? um Or you'd like it to do for us? um My favorite thing that art does is give perspective. Even if it's something, a kind of art or a subject that I, a medium or a subject that I don't seek out. I actually heard Nicole George say this on your podcast, that I've never worse off for having an artistic experience. Um, so Nicole, but, um, yeah, I think it's a really, as you know, as someone who's like in my head a lot, getting perspective on someone else's way of seeing or being, uh, is always a good thing.
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i really liked I really liked that dumb as having studied literature. and i don't I've never thought it's trite, but yeah you do hear it a bit about the building of empathy with with reading narrative and stories. and i think ah I think it's so true. I think it's not something to kind of like overlook. It doesn't solve the world problems, but it's that same thing like Nicole was saying around it. like I'm not worse off like ever. so like how many things it like kind of like I don't feel like I misspent my time, you know, like reading and being engaged and like opening your mind. Totally. I love to be lost in a bug. We're champions on the, you'll probably do a whole thing on the the the English. like No, books are very, just so very important to me. The, um, I'll tell you one, one interest in just one little story before I ask you a question. It had to do with, um,
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had to do it with with comic books and kind of like greater connections to them. and you know I think I've been a comic geek since I was a little kid. My dad got me into them. ah He had a lot of a alone time when he was when he was a kid and you know getting the comic books They find, you know getting a treasure However, he was able to scrap them up and just escaping into the world of the early Iron Man issues Silver Surfer like all that fantasy and a lot of that energy and excitement like ah Like carried over it to me.
Dedication Required in Comics
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So I was I'd never had a point in my life where I was like, what's a comic book? I was always like Just just taking them in and I think um
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I was talking to my as a therapist, she was pointing out like my relationship to it or when I was putting them in order, like an OCD type of thing, put my issues in order, all these type of things. And she's like, you have a lot of positive associations with Like the time you spend is like in these worlds and this type of thing. And then I realized kind of the power of it, like, you know, the mythology and in and all that. And not to minimize it, you know? Oh, those are those funny things. When we minimize things for no other reason other than prejudice or bias, it feels like it's like, oh, it's a comic book. No, like I read that comic book and that made me happy for a week that I encountered it and like I protected it. Yeah.
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Yeah, totally. I don't mind that um people dismiss the medium. We're staying in hiding for a long time, maybe. Yeah, I'm like, okay, whatever. And I think it's um making comics is hard. It takes a long time. And it's like hard on the body and it takes a lot of focus, especially when like somehow you're doing geometry that you haven't done and I don't know, 20 years to lay out a page or something. There's a lot of aspects that go into comics making and it really kind of favors the types of people that are kind of wanting to be like a jack of all trades sort. Like ah yeah I know a little bit about this, a little bit about this, a little bit about this and all together comes a comic. But yeah, I was kind of the same kind of kid, a lot of alone time reading. And um
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Yeah, commerce are beautiful. I think if people aren't interested in them, that's okay. Because there are a lot of people that aren't. Floating World is a great testament to that. It's a little bit of respect too. Yeah, yeah. it's And it's good. It's like I've got given the shout outs on the podcast. And one one cool thing is that um I end up interviewing a lot of different type of artists, but like, you know, there's like a doom metal string in the show and there's an opera string and there's strong comic book, ah zine a string. and um
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Just like the generative arts, like ah the podcast, I don't know if you knew this or I mentioned it anywhere, but the podcast had a zine has one issue. oh cool I can send you a digital copy of it, but totally and there's been an idea to um continue to create those and as a generative engine. And that's why like a conversation with you is like really cool, like being in that environment and generating.
Deeper Dive into Nostalgia
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Um, I got to make sure I hit like the, the goofy ass, uh, titular question of the show. Why is there something rather than nothing? If you have any opinions on that or, uh, or, uh, what, yeah what's, say what's, what, what say you on the biggest question posed to humans possibly?
00:27:26
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You know, I mean, the first thing that crossed my mind, which I think is the right answer, there's something rather than nothing because there's too much of nothing. There's too much stuff in the world that feels like empty and meaningless, um at least to me. So making something out of that, like making a joke, making a comic, making a funny comic that makes me and other people laugh and like connecting with people that um I've never even met and are like super stoked, you know? um That's great. There's something rather than nothing thing because there's too much nothing. You can use that for your travel. Yeah. Yeah. And like filling in, filling in that void. I, uh,
00:28:09
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It's kind of odd timing, but I did want to read your author's note. i but Everybody listened. We've been bouncing around a little bit here and Sarah and I agreed we would, but it's been lovely to chat. But I did want to read it. of Folks, here we go. Author's note from Garage Girls. Wow. My name is, in fact, Sarah. And I do have a best friend named Chloe. And we did live together in l LA, and we did have a brief project called Garage Girls. This comic is a total bizarro world version of events, so totally removed from reality. Any resemblance to any person living or dead is your own problem.
00:28:46
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Thank you so much for reading. This is part one of a three-part series. You are just going to love it, I swear. Well, I missed the last sentence. I was seeing that you did announce it as a three-book series. um i yeah i really and I really enjoy that. i got a On the show notes, I do have to check the inventory, in not that it's a contemporaneous show about whether they have Garage Girls still in stock. at ah Floating World Comics. I might have bought the last one. and i don say Maybe. Lucky you. I'm glad you did. I do have a PDF available on my website that you can download.
00:29:27
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for $5 and if that seems expensive, you can just email me and I'll send it to you for free. Oh, thank you so much for mentioning it. I did see that. I did see that on there. Hey, Sarah, tell us about um where to find, on that point, where where to find your stuff, ah you know website, what you want to let folks know to come in contact with ah your artwork that I'm so jazzed about. Yeah, ah my Instagram handle is at book.jerk. My website is www.bookjerk.com. And that's a book as in book, J-E-R-K. I don't really update my website that often. But it looks kind of cool. And that's where you can see things that I have for sale as well.
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website looks cool. um ah check it out check check it Check it out. Hey, on the um cable access on the cable access stuff, What was your contact with? I mean, I know you might've mentioned a little bit before, so I'd be up late at for folks, cable TV late at night. There was some access ah given to local creators. I don't know, it was music, small, hard buff. So what did you what what what drew you to that? like What type of shows, what type of things that you saw on that that kind of influenced you in being like, what is this thing?
00:30:57
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Yeah, you know, I wasn't allowed to watch TV as a kid, except for on the weekends. So I think where the cable access thing comes from, honestly, is Wayne's World. um Sometimes I would like get to stay up and watch Saturday Night Live. um And I love Wayne's World. I think even in Garage Girls, it's Los Angeles Public Access Channel 12, which I think, is that the same? it might be that I might have changed it because I got maybe like insecure about them ah copying, but um kind of after Wayne's World, because I was like, Wayne's World is so cool. I wish they were girls.
00:31:37
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yeah um and Also, like this show Clarissa Explains It All um really impacted me as a kid. It was on Nickelodeon and she had her own TV show with these cool inset graphics. um and Yeah, I just love the concept of cable access. It seems like such a like ah time that's from far away, you know a far away time, I guess I'm trying to say. um The fact that like it seemed like anyone could just like go down to this TV station and say they wanted to have a show it did and it was fine. It did seem like that. no no No shade on anybody. It did seem like access. Totally. Yeah.
00:32:18
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um I also just like um that kind of low frequency broadcasting in general, um you know, radio as well as television, like the waves. um But yeah, I don't know if I can even think of a real cable access show that I might have watched. There's a lot of shows and sitcoms that influence Garage Girls, but not necessarily cable access. That was more homage to Wayne's World. Very, very, very, very cool. um Yeah, I i think for I would see sometimes music like and think about it at the time. I don't know. it's like yeah
00:32:55
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late 80s, early 90s. Sometimes you'd be exposed to music where it wasn't like it is right now, like turn on the radio for your music or you bought your music. And there wasn't as much contact. So kind of like a local, like heavy metal freak ah doing a local ah access show just yapping on about what what he or she loves like so much for like, you know, 90 minutes or two hours ah yeah would would totally do it. Yeah. Yeah. And now that I think about it, actually, I mean, I did kind of set out to make Garage Girls in this sort of analog world. I was really adamant against them having phones. um But they do have phones, so in the second issue. But um that just seemed like a little bit more of a free place to mess around with ah characters interacting with each other.
00:33:46
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um You know, people, acquaintances running into people around the town, I felt like without people on their, I don't know, not to say that phones are bad or like people looking at their phones are stupid or anything, but um it seemed like a distraction in a way and it was like more pure or something. Like what if this was now before cell phones and you had to like look in the paper to see what was happening that night? It's just a different for me and just the the aesthetic experience of what's happened and or how much ah concentration or screen or whether it's tactile. I think there's an understanding that all those things are important. And so it's a, it's a market change. Whatever is going on is that.
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you know, ah sitting and waiting for an appointment back in the day, habitually we might have, um you know, read ah two chapters of a book maybe where even with us readers right now we might be, oh, I'll double check my iCloud or, you know, something where like you didn't read those chapters. So totally has like the significant impact on our experience. um Wow, goodness. sir um like And listeners, we've been talking to Sarah McGrath.
Connection Through Comics
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ah get Get Garage Girls. Check out Sarah's art. It's fun. If you're digging on some of the themes here, you'll be able to ah feel them and and read them and and in your art. in
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ah Sarah, thanks for telling us about like you know your relationship like to R and what you're doing right now. And and like I said, it's been really good to to connect with you. um There's something exciting about like Floating World Connection, getting a book off a shelf and being like, wow, this is like and really enjoying and then connecting to ah to you. So I just wanted to thank you for your time and being like digging deep and talking comic books and and all this stuff. Yeah, thank you so much. And it's just so cool that you just picked it up off the shelf and now we're here. That's kind of the closed loop experience of art making. I'm happy to have. I feel very validated in putting my stuff out there. Thank you. Hey, I haven't been haven't lived a life in that comic world. I know the truth.
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And I know it's important, you know, for artists of all sorts, and just being like, hey, like, I don't know, I don't care if I sound weird, you know, enthusiastic about it, but that shit was dope. And like, you know, throwing that out there, I think we need more of that in this world. And just like, just be like, shit, that thing that you did made me laugh. So it's... Hell yeah. Yeah. So really appreciate you and great work. And um yeah, really look forward to upcoming issues and the other things you create, Sarah. Awesome, thank you. This is Something Rather Than Nothing.
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