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#5 - POT: The Cryptocurrency Podcast - PaintSwap DAO and Estfor Kingdom with Chronic
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PaintSwap have one of the most popular communites on Fantom, with some of the biggest projects to be deployed on the chain.
In fact, PaintSwap are working directly with the Fantom foundation in order to create the best possible experience for their products NFT marketplace and their recent on-chain MMORPG EstFor Kingdom
PaintSwap’s NFT Marketplace on Fantom
PaintSwap’s is a general purpose marketplace on Fantom, with a thriving community and a rich ecosystem. It’s an open, non-curated marketplace where any creator is free to list their NFTs.
Chronic emphasizes the importance of PaintSwap DAO’s commitment to openness, where even controversial or unconventional works are welcomed. The DAO’s core team handles issues that arise, ensuring the marketplace remains free and open while preventing malicious or inappropriate content from flooding the platform.
Estfor Kingdom: On Chain MMORPG
During the lockdown, the DAO focused on building a 100% blockchain based MMORPG called Estfor Kingdom. One of the things that immediately stand out are the designs for their Heroes and items, which fit in very well with the overall theme and scope of the game.
Estfor Kingdom is a vast, mysterious land, inhabited by sentient woodland beings. Within the Kingdom of Estfor there are many secrets, quests, and challenges that players can uncover. The lore of Estfor Kingdom is conveyed through a series of quests, storylines, and item descriptions.
Within the game’s lore, there may be various factions, guilds, or groups, each with its own goals, philosophies, and rivalries. Players can pick a guild and work as a team to become the best players on the leaderboard.
This is an idle-play game where players don’t have direct control over their characters’ actions but instead focus on managing their resources, optimizing their in-game time, and strategizing to achieve various objectives.
Economy and Trade within Estfor Kingdom
The in-game economy revolves around the BRUSH token. Brush is utilized for various in-game transactions, such as purchasing items, skills, and XP boosts. The in-game economy uses a token which can be traded outside of the game on any DeFi platform that supports it.
The game economy doesn’t use “gold” and then you use $BRUSH to acquire gold, $BRUSH is the game’s economy, which creates additional incentives for people to and explore all of the mechanics that the game has to offer.
If you happen to find a rare item within Estfor Kingdom, you have multiple options. You can sell it on the open marketplace for $BRUSH tokens (which can easily be traded for any other cryptocurrency), perform trustless peer-to-peer swaps, or even sell it directly to the in-game store. Items sold to the in-game store are destroyed to maintain a balanced in-game economy and prevent oversupply of certain items.
Alongside the core developer team at PaintSwap DAO, members of the community get to decide what direction the game is taking. Chronic emphasizes that while some decisions require the input of professionals and experts, the community’s voice is highly valued. Users of the platform have the opportunity to vote on various aspects of the game, such as skills, lore and quests. This democratic approach allows the community to have a say in the game’s development without compromising its integrity.
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Transcript
NFT Auction Experience & Podcast Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
I had quite a bit out there at that point and I was just like wow I was actually I was at an NFT market or not an NFT auction in Discord like while everything was going down and I was just like take my money it's all worthless anyway and I was throwing money all over the place
00:00:32
Speaker
Hey, dude, I'm here with chronic. Thanks a lot for accepting my invitation This is episode 5 of proof of talk and we're gonna be talking that was specifically paint stop Tao and the game that you guys created as for kingdoms First of all, how you doing, man? Man, pretty good. You know pretty good I had a late start this morning to my day, but you know, it's a lovely Sunday here We're recording it is about to be 9 a.m. My time so
00:01:00
Speaker
a whole day of exciting life ahead of me. Awesome. No, that sounds great. What is the ultimate aim of the game?
Exploring S4 Kingdoms: Lore and Gameplay
00:01:10
Speaker
And if there's any lore or story, I think that would be interesting. Oh, you mean like the meta of the game. Okay. I was like, I don't know, be a fun game. Okay. So I did, actually, I did the writing for the game. I've done a lot of that. That's like my background.
00:01:26
Speaker
So, S4 Kingdom is a serious world full of magic and strange creatures, things that we've never seen before. Not a lot of humans to be found. Our game follows the adventures of sentient woodland creatures living in S4 Kingdom. As time goes on, there's
00:01:53
Speaker
There's a Vax story to this world and why it exists in the state that it does exist. And you will be breadcrumbing that throughout the game. It's already actually there in a few places. If you can hunt, you can find places where there are traces of ancient language and stuff like that. So that's pretty neat. And it's hidden in the NFTs as well as in the game itself. So there's a lot of lore out there and available right now.
00:02:19
Speaker
Um, if anybody wants to see also get on our ask working on Twitter, but the goal of the game is to be the best hero out there, right? You want to be number one, it's all about the leaderboard. And you know, we've got not just an overall leaderboard, but we do keep skill specific leaderboards so that you've got like your woodcutters and who are not doing combat, they're chopping, chopping them willows, you know? Um, and all of, all of the skills happen there on leaderboard.
00:02:48
Speaker
It's all about the clout. It's all about if you're in a clan, making sure your clan is the strongest and the wealthiest clan, you know, your basic wow experience.
Game Art and Development Team
00:03:00
Speaker
Right. So different play styles that you could go and hack at monsters and get good loot or you could create an economy, right? If you wanted to. Yeah. Yeah. If you want to do combat, you can do combat. I don't really do a lot of combat in my play. I mostly just
00:03:16
Speaker
I mostly just do skills. I don't know why I gained nothing from it, but I do it anyway. But yeah, I did like the graphics, the design quite a lot. I'm not sure if you're involved in that at all, because you mentioned you were an artist, but the designs are looking really cool. Thank you very much for that. We really appreciate it. Our art in the game was designed by our developer, Pantoshi, working with Mid-Journey.
00:03:43
Speaker
So we have a lot of AI art that he then retouched and improved upon significantly, obviously, because they don't look stupid. And then all of our backgrounds, all of our heroes are like that as well. And then for our icons and such, we did hire artists to do those.
00:04:05
Speaker
So I didn't do any of it. I don't, that's not my kind of, you can see it's a much more chaotic display. Yeah. A lot more abstract. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I know it's, that was our developer Pantoshi did the vast majority of the legwork on that. He did a really, really good job. Nice. No, it does look amazing. It does look really good. Um, so how many core members are, are in your guys now at the moment? Oh, geez. Um, okay. Core team eight ish, something like that.
00:04:35
Speaker
It's still early. Um, we've got, um, now our big, our, our big heavy hitter developer guys, though, um, Sam Pantoshi and Raptor. They're the ones that are doing the code lifting. And then you've got me and A-Rod. Um, we do, uh, business development. You've got Hubert who does our infrastructure.
00:05:02
Speaker
And then we have a consistent tester. I don't think I can actually tell you who his name is. Got someone who works with us on stats, who I also don't think I can tell you who his name is. So eight, we have eight. Fair enough. Yeah. Nice agile team. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. We try and keep it really lean. You know, I mean, we've, we've been larger before. Um, and in fact, not even during the bull market, during the bear market, we were a larger team at one point, but it's just not.
DAO Funding and Community Challenges
00:05:31
Speaker
It's not needed. You know, we, we like to stay limber. We want to be able to respond and, um, you know, it's good to always know whose hands are in whatever product you're working on at any given time. Easily reach them easily work with them. So, you know, yeah, I'm really happy to be a part of it. You know, it's good, good guys to work with. Nice. How long have you been with the Dow for, um, for now? Well, it's October.
00:06:02
Speaker
I don't know, a year and a half, two years. I have no idea. That's why I was in the discord for a good amount of time before I was actually on the team. And so it all just kind of runs together for me, honestly. A long time. Long time. I alpha tested the NFT marketplace when it came out.
00:06:24
Speaker
So all right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Nice. It's great that you can have products like amazing products that they can just scale so much without needing to add more manpower. Like that, that's, that's so good about this kind of approach to technology. I think, so I was reading about back when Instagram, well, before Instagram was ever bought by, by Facebook, um, they got to 500 million users with four core devs. That's, that's all they needed.
00:06:54
Speaker
It's crazy. It's crazy. Because the margins must be so huge. Well, if Instagram were making any profit at the time, which it weren't. That's how we feel too, Instagram. If we were making any money, we'd be keeping all of it, man. Yeah. So I'm guessing the way that DAO survives is through people acquiring brush tokens, right? Is what fuels you guys and what allows you guys to do the things you do.
00:07:22
Speaker
No, we have continuing streams of income through our financial NFT marketplace partnerships. Every time we deploy a new financial NFT marketplace member, not even necessarily to a new chain, but a new project gets deployed, we're paid for those services. That's a custom integration in a voting, a locked NFT so that we can't dump on the project, obviously. Right.
00:07:51
Speaker
So we have those as a continuing source of income. We do work really closely with the Phantom Foundation as well. We recently received quite a bit from the Gitcoin grant that Phantom Foundation ran. That's what me and A-Rod do, man. We pursue funding. We find funding where we can. We don't work off the backs of our community.
00:08:17
Speaker
We don't, we don't make a lot of money either. So, you know, what are you going to do, man? It is what it is either. I mean, that's, that's why I asked because it's, it's, I know like it's such a new kind of business model, like running a Dow and being able to survive while running a Dow. Um, it's, it's a, I'm sure it's, it's a big challenge. It is, um, you know, it's, it's challenging, but also we.
00:08:48
Speaker
We've surrounded ourselves with people who are also working in these areas, if that makes sense. You know, we, we have all around us, a good community of developers and other project leads and, you know, the, the Phantom foundation themselves and, um, uh, variety of people, you know, and having that community of builders working together.
00:09:17
Speaker
I don't know, it's kind of like you're replaceable. You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense? Like that helps us to navigate this ourselves, seeing the people around us do it. It's not so much like we lean on each other for sustenance or whatever, but it's like the watching of someone else going through what you're going through while you're trying to do it. That's what makes it possible.
00:09:42
Speaker
That's why it's easier to work out when you're at the gym rather than do it by yourself at home. Exactly. See other people going through the same struggle as you are. It's like, fuck, okay, I guess I'm going to go do it. If that idiot can do it, I can do it. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just playing. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, if that guy who's like 6'4 and 300 pounds can do it, I can do it too. Yeah, you only got to do it for like 25 years or so until you don't pay that guy.
00:10:09
Speaker
What are then the next steps for your DAO or for the PaintSwap marketplace itself? Man, we've got several financial and FTE marketplaces in queue right now. So we work in sprints at PaintSwap, kind of like loose sprints. I don't know if you're familiar with the DevOps pipelines that kind of operate.
00:10:36
Speaker
So we've got a couple of those in progress right now. Um, and once we move past that, we've got, yeah, we just have a bunch of integration that we're working on right now, honestly, is kind of what we're doing. So I can't be specific on it, especially because a lot of these involve like partners where I really can't talk about them a lot.
00:10:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's fair. You know, so it kind of is what it is there. But we'll be looking at marketplace wise, we may be seeing some new integrations come through soon, financial marketplace, you'll see some new projects, as y'all know, we're constantly developing those. And then as for we're working, we're still working on that as well. You know, we're just doing everything, man. We're working on everything all the time.
00:11:24
Speaker
Is your token listed on any centralized exchanges or do you have any plans for listing? I mean, no, not, I mean, no, it is not. We don't have plans to list on a sex at this time. Last time we did, it did nothing for us. It did nothing for the community. It did nothing for the token just cost us money. And we run so, you know, do we run such a tight ship as a waste of resources for us?
00:11:51
Speaker
Cause you know, we, we aren't going to be out here putting 250 grand into a publicity campaign to make people buy it. So then why put it there? You know, I know, no, anyway, that's not important, but we're not looking so much at the centralized half of it right now. You know, it's, we recognize, um, the need for that. We would sooner entertain crypto on ramping or I'm sorry, Fiat on ramping rather than centralized
Crypto Community Dynamics and Challenges
00:12:20
Speaker
exchanges. That would be.
00:12:21
Speaker
much more up our alley than a centralized exchange. Right. So people being able to create all these transactions and buy items using maybe something like MoonPay? Something similar along that vein, somewhere in there. This is not a fleshed out thing, so I can't get too into it. But that would be much more akin to what we are talking about than doing centralized for the token. And they're like, all right, yeah, you got your token. Now it's on the centralized exchange, though.
00:12:51
Speaker
We don't want people using it. We don't want it sitting there gathering dust. Yeah, that makes sense. And that creates a whole new idea of making this more for speculation rather than enjoying the game and enjoying the experience itself. And this is not a security, guys. This is not a security. I don't know why we would put it on a centralized exchange if it's not a security. Come on now.
00:13:15
Speaker
No, it's true. It's true. I don't think it's happening with the subreddit, with the cryptocurrency subreddit, right? Which is essentially, if you're not aware or for people that are listening that are aware, there's something called Moons on the cryptocurrency subreddit, which is the governance token of this subreddit. And every month, active members of the cryptocurrency community get awarded Moons based on how much they comment and how much people upvote their comments and posts.
00:13:44
Speaker
So there's something now known as moon farming. So you have less people going on cryptocurrency, subreddit, crypto, and you have more moon farming. You got people, it creates a lot of echo chamber. Like people talk about the things that now is gonna give them moons and there's less opinions that are around things that people in the community generally don't agree with. So we turned into a moon farming echo chamber, which is a,
00:14:11
Speaker
a shame, but it's definitely changed the dynamic of the subreddit itself from what it used to be. It's rather like, um, I, I was saying to someone just the other day, I was talking to someone about this and it's a lot like being in online college where you're required to post on the message board to get your credit. That's kind of what it's turning into. And it's, it's stupid. I don't, not a huge fan. I've never been a huge fan, but you know, you hate to see it because, oh, I know a lot of people absolutely adore
00:14:41
Speaker
R slash crypto, you know, is legend. Yeah. I mean, it's, I think, um, I think CoinMarketCap, oh no, Coinbase actually is how they've started. They originally linked up through the subreddit, uh, the core team met and they started talking. That's crazy because that's what it used to be, you know, that's what this subreddit used to stand for is people
00:15:02
Speaker
going there and talking about the projects they want to build or linking up with other people and then going to build something. And now it's just this kind of echo chamber of people posting news and people commenting on news and stuff, you know, and I've, I've actually reached out to the mod community, and I
00:15:21
Speaker
try to steer the direction of the subreddit more in like, let's bring back the community aspect of it. Because there's people here that are working on it. It's how I linked up with the LTO network and there's other like dormant projects that are not active on that subreddit because there's so much hate against just startups in crypto. On a cryptocurrency subreddit, people don't want to talk about crypto projects. They'd rather just talk about the news.
00:15:48
Speaker
Get out of here. Everybody's a shiller. You want to talk about your project for two seconds? They're like, quit shilling. Quit shilling, yeah. Kills me, man. Kills me. I'm like, OK, I'll just shut up then. Yeah. It's honestly what a lot of the crypto companies are doing, you know, that we're on that subreddit and we're engaging with the community. They just stopped engaging, you know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:14
Speaker
Crypto seems to have kind of migrated away from your from Reddit, like Reddit seems to be a lot like a gateway at this point, more than where the experienced people are. You know, I mean, of course, I'm in like 700 telegrams, but it also seems like nothing really happens for real in telegrams anymore. It's almost exclusively like my Twitter's and my Discord's pretty much the only place it pops off. You know what I mean? Where I'm actually meeting new people.
00:16:44
Speaker
not established connections, you know, and working with those people. Excuse me, which even that, I said Twitter earlier, X, you know, whatever. It is the Wild West out there, though, you know, you've got to be careful with what you're doing. So if anyone's listening to this and is working on a project, watch out because people will take advantage of you on these places. It's not
00:17:07
Speaker
It's exactly like it always was in that regard. There's always someone that will. So, you know, friendly advice from Facebook. Don't get scammed. Don't get scammed. Live pro tip. Speaking of Twitter, it's interesting that I keep getting advertised collectible NFTs that are
00:17:28
Speaker
almost carbon copy of each other, zombies and kittens and stuff like that. And I remember a year ago, you didn't used to have any kind of NFT advertising, especially like these kind of collectibles, you know, you get a lot of that right now. We had not too awful long ago. I think this was prior to pay for your bluejack. I can't remember for sure. Right. But there was some point where we lost our, like,
00:17:57
Speaker
Twitter professional or something because we were a crypto organization. They're like, oh no, we don't offer that anymore. And we were like, we didn't even advertise. We were trying to like promote a tweet about releasing a V2 or something. And it was like, you can't promote, you idiot. Yeah. What are you doing here with your crypto project? Get out of here. Yeah. I want to pay you like real American dollars, but whatever.
00:18:26
Speaker
Yeah, it seems like so many channels that simply they don't allow or they're not happy with crypto being part of that too. We've had this challenge as well, trying to promote our product right there, the trading platform I was telling you about before. And we can't use Google. We can't use Google ads or Bing ads or Twitter ads or Reddit ads or TikTok ads. It's why. What the fuck are you guys?
00:18:52
Speaker
It's so it's so weird, right? And like, none of these channels will allow you to do. And even if you don't mention anything in the copy or the description of the ad that this is about crypto, then they go and they crawl your profile. Yeah. It's bananas. It's wild. Yeah. And, you know, what's good about this, though, what's good about this overreaction of corporate America, Western politics,
00:19:23
Speaker
All of these major tech companies, the overreaction against crypto is turning these people into clowns in the eyes of the general public, because the more that, let's say American Congress does open hearings on crypto and they all look like a bunch of doofuses or, you know, I don't know, maybe does parliament talk about?
00:19:44
Speaker
crypto yet, if not, they will soon and they'll all look stupid because they'll also all the old people, you know, so at the end of the day, it's good for us because it's going to put in front of your general public, you know,
00:19:57
Speaker
Hey, maybe we don't actually know about this. Maybe we've just been listening to people who don't understand it at all. So I don't know. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe we can just deal with it for now and it'll be a good thing later. I think it's a good thing. I think if people, well, first of all, if the discussion happens in whichever direction, I think it's a good thing because it raises awareness.
00:20:19
Speaker
And there's going to be more people that understand that crypto is not all a scam and it's not, you know, just a fad or whatever. It has very real use cases that can completely change the way society works.
00:20:32
Speaker
Admittedly, yes, there are scams out there, right? That's because I don't think it's regulated properly, I think. And the level of regulation that we're getting at the moment is just you're trying to call Bitcoin and Ethereum a security instead of trying to get rid of the other 22,000 shitcoins that are just popping up on a monthly basis.
00:20:56
Speaker
Also, you know what would not have stopped the Sam Bank rent freed problem. It had nothing to do with that.
00:21:05
Speaker
Oh, there was a lot of there was a lot of corporate and political lobbying that for FTX. So we didn't want to stop them until they actually couldn't sustain the business model anymore. It was funny, of course, he's in court, you know. Yeah. And I heard a description of him from like someone in the media and it was like crypto boy genius, Sam Bankman free. And I was like, oh, my God.
00:21:37
Speaker
in the same sentence he's a crypto they used they used to call him the prodigal son of crypto or something like that it's it's wild dude like have you heard the guy talk for Jesus Christ and if this is all like it was only called that by people who had no idea what he does
00:21:56
Speaker
You know, and it's crazy how where news media, like, have you ever noticed how one news media outlet says one thing and then all of the others say the same thing? Yeah, they all report on the other news outlet. Yeah. Or they have the same message in the same way. Like, it's very uncommon to see different opinions, at least around cryptocurrency from media outlets. They all have the same spiel that they spit out over and over again.
00:22:27
Speaker
Probably got one guy writing copy for everybody. He probably is one dude, yeah. This dude knows what a computer is.
00:22:34
Speaker
Hey, write us some crypto stories. Yeah, you're hired. Yeah, it's honestly it's a very strange space and I'm really I can't wait for the new bull market to happen because I think that's going to lead to so much more adoption and a lot of people are going to stop being crypto skeptics and they're going to start thinking, well, maybe this is a real thing because this is what happened in 2017, 2018 in the big bull run at the time. We brought a lot of it. Yeah.
00:23:03
Speaker
We can hope I'd love to see 2024 mean, you know, big moves for crypto.
Crypto Market Optimism and Personal Stories
00:23:09
Speaker
Um, I think that the number one thing that I'm keeping in mind going into 2024 with the having of Bitcoin coming as I'm just trying to make sure that I'm, I keep myself invested, you know, or whatever, keep myself in and I keep myself liquid and you know, what's the worst going to happen?
00:23:28
Speaker
I already watched it all go to zero once. Oh man, oh yeah. I have a story about Luna because I was right there when it happened. I noticed it popping, well, not popping off quite the opposite by just dropping down massively.
00:23:46
Speaker
over $100, so it dropped down 90%. And I was talking to my friend, I'm like, dude, we got to get in on this. Because if it goes back, we're going to make bank. So we bought 90% down. Wake up next day, it's 90% down from the previous day. 90% down.
00:24:06
Speaker
Well, at this point, I'm invested, so I might as well just double down on that, right? So I do the same thing. And then the third day, it's 90% down from the previous day. I bought all the way down and I don't think it's worth very much right now, but it just got done. It was absolutely wild. It was such a nice time.
00:24:30
Speaker
That was crazy. I I had quite a bit out there at that point. And I was just like, wow, I was actually I was at an NFT market or not market an NFT auction in Discord, like while everything was going down and I was just like, take my money. It's all worthless anyway. I was throwing money all over the place.
00:24:59
Speaker
So do you collect a lot of entities? I have a pretty substantial collection. I haven't been.
00:25:07
Speaker
I haven't been in the last several months because I promised myself I'd stop buying NFTs for a while because I bought so effing many of them. So I've got quite a few, a few thousand. Right. Oh, wow. A few thousand. I know some people who have significantly more than me, you know, but yeah, it's a bunch. Well, yeah, a few thousand, definitely a bunch. What kind of NFTs do you collect?
00:25:35
Speaker
Um, it, it depends. Sometimes I do buy little, um, just kinda, I'll see a little cute guys like netizens, I think are adorable. Um, just little pixel avatar people. I'll buy those things, but mostly it's art. You know, the thing, the bulk of my collection is.
00:25:56
Speaker
Funny, small, you know, one or two cent things that I just thought were silly, so I bought them. But then I've got about three or 400 that are, I'd say, somewhere in there. Last time I looked at that wallet, I think it had 400 in it. Okay. Mainly Phantom or other chains too? Phantom. That's all my artists, Phantom and Avax, for the most part.
PaintSwap Evolution and NFT Marketplace
00:26:19
Speaker
So that 400 would be on Phantom. I'm not really sure how much is on Avax at this point. Oh, nice.
00:26:27
Speaker
100 or 110 maximum, like hard maximum. I'd be really surprised if it's even that high. Right, right. Look, I'm responsible, okay? Dude, nothing wrong with that. Honestly, people collect stamps, well used to. I don't think anyone collects stamps anymore. I don't think that's the thing that happens anymore. I don't think anybody uses stamps anymore. Uses them to collect them.
00:26:53
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I've been reading a bit before we had the conversation. So I know some of like the top level stuff around the DAO and around the game, even the concept of a DAO itself is very interesting to see. Yeah, it's big. It's big, right? So PaintSwap, we were founded, it's been over two years since the foundation of PaintSwap as an entity.
00:27:23
Speaker
as a DAO, it was created by, uh, five founders who had worked together in various other DeFi things at the time, but never their own project. They decided to go ahead and brand up and they branded became paint swap. Um, the goal being to fill gaps in the fill visible gaps in DeFi ecosystems and promote true and actual decentralization of blockchain products.
00:27:51
Speaker
Um, which for those who aren't maybe familiar, a truly decentralized blockchain product would be something that exists, uh, fully on the blockchain and can run regardless of any server or any whatever, as long as the blockchain runs, the product runs. Um, so that was the foundation of the Dow. Um, now paint swap as a site is something that was founded, um, a while back as a, as a Dex at the time, it was a need that needed to be filled.
00:28:21
Speaker
But really, where we hit our stride was when we moved into the NFT marketplace, which that has been a huge success for us. That led into our current pursuits with financial NFT marketplaces across multiple chains. And in that time that we were doing both of those things, it's been now six weeks yesterday since we went live.
00:28:51
Speaker
with S4Kingdom, which is our decentralized game thigh product. It's a lot of fun. It's like an idle play RPG. So that all of those things together are the paint swap family, our paint swap NFT marketplace, our paint swap financial NFT marketplaces, which do span multiple chains and then S4Kingdom.
00:29:15
Speaker
the NFT marketplace and S4 Kingdom being at home on Phantom Opera Network. Sweet. Yeah, I noticed you guys have some pretty nice partnerships with Arbitrum and Phantom as well. For the marketplace, because it's like pancakes. Pancake, Jesus, you're going to probably kill me for that. PainSwap.finance, it's
00:29:38
Speaker
Yeah, it's a proper DEX. It's got all the tools, you've got liquidity pools I saw, and you also have the NFT marketplace in there. Now, I had a quick browse through the marketplace. Is it with a particular focus on gaming and gaming-related items, or is it a general-purpose marketplace?
00:30:00
Speaker
Well, so two things, most of our DEX functionality at this point has actually been sunset. We maintain our liquidity farms for, you know, people who are supporters of our brush token, which has been around from the beginning. It is now governance token for Dow. We do votes and stuff like that for the course of paint swap. So just to be clear, what remains of the DEX and paint swap are those liquidity farms you're talking about.
00:30:26
Speaker
Now, as far as the NFT marketplace, it's a fully open marketplace. The only reason that we decline content is in the event that it's provably stolen, um, which we've had a couple or, uh, or it's a contract that's a malicious actor. We've had a couple of instances of that, uh, over the years, but nothing too, too severe. We've caught most of it. Um, the community tends to keep a pretty watchful eye on things like that.
00:30:55
Speaker
So you'll find anything from art to games to you can buy trading cards you can buy all kinds of other digital collectible items it's a lot you know phantom actually is a really diverse.
00:31:13
Speaker
blockchain as far as the utilizations for NFT technology. So I mean if anyone who's listening is unfamiliar with that I'd highly encourage you to go on painswap.finance and kind of just browse around and see what's there because it's some really interesting stuff from some really awesome creators.
00:31:30
Speaker
Nice. Yeah, it's nice to see that it's general purpose even though it could easily go in one direction or another based on the community. If you're familiar with Tezos at all, the blockchain, they've branded the whole idea of the blockchain as the art world.
00:31:47
Speaker
NFT blockchain. They struck some interesting partnerships with the Serpentine here in London and a few other like museums or big kind of galleries and stuff. And it's interesting to see that although you have the tech to have it like general purpose, Tezos decided to go like, okay, we're just going to focus on this kind of art world type of NFTs. Yeah, it's interesting to see what they did with Tezos. You know, being on a different code base than others
00:32:17
Speaker
Kind of gives them a lot of room to move because you don't have just random deployers coming to your chain. Pretty much anything that's EVM, this is going to be a little technical for a second for listeners. So maybe tune out if you don't like that. On EVM compatible chains, which is basically it goes back to the roots of Ethereum. If you can deploy it on Ethereum, you can deploy it on an EVM compatible chain.
00:32:42
Speaker
Um, anybody can deploy anything at any time and it's super easy. I've deployed a ton of contracts myself. Now that's also what gunks up blockchains and makes it take longer for your transactions to go through. Things get more expensive because every time we're writing the chain, you know, we're writing all of these. Chronic test 15 15 contract is now live on the blockchain.
00:33:06
Speaker
So anyway, the reason I say all of that is to say that Tezos being a non-standard code base Not they don't have to implement any kind of restriction just by virtue of being in that non-standard code base They don't get the same developers that you know, EBM compatible chains get so it is interesting and I actually have a lot of friends that create on Tezos we were talking a little bit earlier I'm an artist and I have a lot of artists friends and
00:33:35
Speaker
You know, it's, it's really cool to see the differing dynamic there. Um, there's not a focus on, on item appreciation like there is on other blockchains I've found. Um, so yeah, it is really interesting, but we did want to go with a, as open as possible for the paint swap marketplace. Um, in fact, one of the founding principles of the NFT marketplace was that openness. Um, because we had been seeing quite a bit of censorship and curation.
00:34:05
Speaker
other marketplaces, which is fine if you're going to declare that you curate your marketplace forever. We just don't. We think that everybody should have a seat at the table and be able to sell their work, you know.
00:34:17
Speaker
Right. And what happens in the event that something does go against your guidelines and maybe the art or whatever the imagery is completely inappropriate or it's a malicious contract. Does it get voted on by the DAO or do you guys have a specialized team that kind of looks into that? No, that's handled by our core team.
00:34:39
Speaker
Um, that sort of thing, we need to be agile in that type of situation. Um, you know, you look at a lot of liability in those situations for our, our inexperienced users, you know, who they, they just see something pop up and they're like,
00:34:52
Speaker
Yeah, sure. Whatever. You know, you multiply that to scale and that's a huge problem. So we stay agile. As a team, we watch the community. I'm always plugged into the community as well as I can be. We have a really, really good group of people in our Discord who, you know, they see something going awry. They always let us know.
00:35:15
Speaker
But basically, the actual process of it is the very first thing that happens is it's stripped from the front end because that's pretty easy. We just hide it. You know, that's that's simple. We have those hiding mechanisms built in. We did that a while back to allow users to hide individual collections that they didn't want to see. So now we've got all of that right there on hand in the front end. We can easily access it after that. There are some additional back end things that would need to be done.
00:35:45
Speaker
to ensure that it can't be sold or bought through our contract. And that's that's how we respond to those things. And then, of course, if it's a malicious contract, we did have one not too awful long ago. Well, it has been about a year now that it I can't recall the specific details of it, but we had to make a public response about it and say, hey, don't don't interact with this. You know, like it's out there.
00:36:15
Speaker
Um, it's available in other places. Don't interact with it. So, you know, we try not to do that unless it's just very clearly malicious, but, you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, that that's a good point. You got to have like those quick reaction times and some kind of infrastructure in your back end to, to either a block list, um, contracts or, or wallets that are trying to deploy this kind of stuff.
Blockchain Technology and Decentralization
00:36:38
Speaker
Um, so why Phantom? Uh, it's.
00:36:43
Speaker
It's fast, it's fast and it's cheap, man. It's fast, cheap and scalable. When Phantom was chosen by the paint swap team, there were not very many things like it out there. You know what I mean? Phantom was very young back in the days that paint swap originally hopped onto the chain. But the things that attracted us to Phantom in the first place remain true now. It is fast, it's not expensive.
00:37:13
Speaker
and it continues to perform well. Phantom just did some testing where they got an absurd number of transactions through on their Phantom virtual machine, which is really interesting. Team's pretty good to work with. It's a good blockchain to make our own base. They treat us really well, and we work really well with the Phantom Foundation. So we'll definitely be maintaining that moving forward.
00:37:40
Speaker
And Phantom and all of the chains that we've deployed on up to this point, as a matter of fact, have been EVM compatible. There are, there's some chains that do like a dual thing where there's the running actual blockchain and then the EVM compatible blockchain as well. That's a thing that's out there. We're looking at that as well. But at this point, we're not really looking at altering our contracts away from EVM compatibility. It's, you know,
00:38:08
Speaker
cost-first benefit analysis. It's very complicated and who really cares?
00:38:15
Speaker
I mean, exactly. At the end of the day, it's just what is the end result? Because a lot of the people are not going to be super technical and are not going to want to know the ins and outs of everything. They're just going to need to understand. They need to know that it works and that it's scalable and that it's secure. And I guess that just goes back to the blockchain trilemma. Like how do you get all these three factors into a blockchain that kind of solves it? Is it centralized? Is it secure? And is it fast? Right.
00:38:43
Speaker
That is the question, isn't it? It's what we're all after every day. That's what we do with the technology. It has been interesting. We've been doing this for quite a long time now. We've been doing this for over two years. And seeing all of the surge of new blockchains during the bear market that kind of happens is about six, seven months ago, it kind of really started
00:39:13
Speaker
picking up or whatever and watching all of that happen and kind of a whole new generation of people pursue these same things. You know, it's, it's just really interesting to see how cyclical all of that is, you know, because at the end of the day, there's, you'll find your people that are out here deployed on, I don't know, polygon. And they're like, we're not leaving polygon. You know what I mean? And that's, it's kind of how we are in a lot of respects.
00:39:41
Speaker
You know it's we want to be there. We want to be on the bleeding edge and we don't shy away from that. But you know it's it just is very interesting to see these things come back.
00:39:52
Speaker
again and see more people say, hey, look, we're fast, secure, and scalable. Absolutely. There's no much else to do, honestly, in the bear market. If you think about the crypto space, I'm on Reddit cryptocurrency and crypto Twitter on a daily basis. I noticed the lack of hype. I remember the hype back in 2020, 2021.
00:40:14
Speaker
People were going ape shit over stuff, right? Everything and anything was just, it was filled with so much hype. And right now, that hype is just, it's just been sucked out of the community. And the communities, the few communities that remain active, they just build stuff. There's nothing else to do. Yeah, I'll tell you what you can do in the bear market. You can play us for a kingdom. That's what we did. We built us for a kingdom, and it's great. So that's also our fun thing, right?
00:40:44
Speaker
Uh, yes. Yeah. As far as the other Phantom product along with the broad NFT marketplace. Um, yeah, we actually used, um, some of the code base from our original marketplace when we were developing it. So it just kind of made sense. You know, at the time we didn't, uh, when we first began developing asked for kingdom, we had not yet made a lot of our contracts, um, chain agnostic as we have, you know, since we've been doing these
00:41:14
Speaker
cross chain deployments. But that being said, the nature of the thing doesn't really lend itself to being a multi chain venture, at least not at this point.
S4 Kingdom's Growth and Tokenomics
00:41:24
Speaker
Until we could support multi-chain interactive play and interactive leaderboards, then that might kind of make sense. But what we want is one player base. We want leaderboards with those players fighting the clans. They're all in one place. And I mean, it's so much fun. It's so much fun. And we've been, it's really been interesting seeing, you know,
00:41:47
Speaker
people who I remember from when, you know, bull market was on, we were constantly interacting, everything was going on. I'm seeing these people kind of again around S4 Kingdom and it's really awesome. Or people who haven't ever left the space and I'm seeing them play S4 Kingdom and I'm like, cool, I'm glad that you're doing this for yourself. How many players do you have so far? Oh, you know what? Actually, let's do a, uh,
00:42:16
Speaker
Let me get on DAP radar real quick. It changes so much that like I can't ever give you an estimate. It's a relative the new release as well, right? It was just the end of August, wasn't it? 25th. Yeah, we're six weeks live as of yesterday.
00:42:33
Speaker
Damn nice. Congratulations. That's on the full game. We did have beta out for quite a while before that. I can't recall the exact... Yeah. You know what? I noticed that you guys had the exact same development cycle that we did for the algorithmic crypto tool that we've been working on. Really? Yeah. On part of this team, we built an algorithmic cryptocurrency trading platform so people can come. They have a strategy. They can automate that. They can deploy bot and then they can trade on different markets.
00:43:01
Speaker
and different exchanges. And we've had the exact same structure. So we started with like an alpha, then we did closed beta, and then we did open beta. And I noticed you guys had the exact same development cycle as well, which is pretty cool. You just trickle them in. Yeah, so right now we're sitting, according to DAB radar, we're sitting at 4.21,000. So 4,210 unique active wallets in the last 24 hours, in the last 30 days.
00:43:31
Speaker
which of course encompasses that time we're talking about, that's 11.69,000 unique active wallets. So. Nice. And PaintSwap token is the token you use for in-game items? Brush. That's correct. Yeah. This is actually the largest like economy style utilization of brush that we've ever done to date.
00:43:57
Speaker
Um, and it's, it's really working well. I mean, it's, it's really going amazing. Um, we've been really pleased to see the response with the shop that's in the game. Um, you know, people are utilizing that, um, people are utilizing the skill boosts. We wanted to make sure that the things that we were providing that we were allowing people to purchase with brush were actually. Of use, you know, you know, like not like skin or whatever. So $2 horse armor.
00:44:26
Speaker
Right. So we've been doing a lot of these skill boosts and XP boosts and combat boosts, which as listeners go in and play the game, you'll understand why those things. And of course, we do have our partnership with one can, which has been really awesome. You can find out more about that on our Twitter. They're at one can labs. But basically you can.
00:44:52
Speaker
You can sign up through one can and get like a little starter pack, which is kind of neat. Um, I'm not going to tell you what's in it. I'm going to make people go and look at it. That is really cool. At one can labs. That's the number one K I N labs on Twitter. You should check them out. They've got our product on there and we're excited about it. Nice. Nice. Um, so can people also, um, make brush? Can they generate brush playing the game? Yeah, sure.
00:45:21
Speaker
Yeah, sure. I mean, I think about it. You know, if in RuneScape you can make gold, then in S4 you can make brush.
Regulatory Concerns in Crypto
00:45:29
Speaker
We don't have some secondary token. You don't buy gold with brush. The token is there. You're using it. So yeah, I mean, if your actions are profitable, you will make profit, you know. I mean, that being said, you know,
00:45:42
Speaker
This is an in-game economy here that we're talking about. Brush is not a security. This is just a way that we've implemented it to make it usable by our community. Yeah. Anyway. It's actually really funny you say that because I think you're the second guy to come on. And bear in mind, this is just five episodes so far. The second guy to come on and say that this is not a security. People are still
00:46:08
Speaker
I'm afraid that shit's going to go down with Gensler or anybody. So everyone just goes like, all I want to say is it's not a security. All right, whatever happens happens, but not a security. Better safe than sorry, I say.
00:46:22
Speaker
Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. You just have no idea what's going to happen in crypto one week to the next. I keep thinking that, at least in the UK, that we're going to have some more common sense when it comes to that. But we have another set of restrictions that came into effect, actually, as of today. So among the services that Binance is no longer allowed to provide to UK customers is the Academy.
00:46:47
Speaker
which makes no sense. Like the Academy, you're not going to let people like learn about crypto. Well, you know, that's the thing. That's the problem is that, well.
00:46:58
Speaker
You know what? Nevermind. We'll talk about this another time. I don't want to go into that with my pain swap hat on. That's cool, dude. I get you. That's totally fine. Yeah. So let's go back to S4 Kingdoms. You said it's an MMORPG, but it's not in the same kind of play style as I would understand Diablo, right? Because I couldn't find any... Correct. Yeah. Thank you so much for bringing that up. That's an important distinction to make.
00:47:25
Speaker
Um, so this is not a top down game. That means you're, this is not a three-dimensional regular play game. This is an idle play game. So this is an MMORPG in the same way that our original internet games were back in the day, where you have your group of people, you all play the game and work together for your betterment.
00:47:46
Speaker
Now that being said, we're going to incorporate some further interactive components down the line. That's already planned for the game. It's just not in the initial implementation. But yeah, don't come in expecting a 3D walk around game. That's not the thing. It's much more of a strategy. You have to manage your time and your resources wisely in order to maximize the experience that you can gain.
00:48:10
Speaker
so that you can do X task or Y task. And we do have, you know, like a 16 starter quests to kind of get people into it. That'll grow over time as well. For now, it's just the starters to kind of get people using the skills, seeing what's up, what kind of play style you want, minting the heroes free. So you can go in and just kind of just do whatever the first time and then try again.
00:48:33
Speaker
That's my humble advice. Okay, so yeah, we've established is not a 3D game because I was thinking, okay, it's definitely like I can see all of the designs and the beautiful kind of NFT art that's there for items and stuff. I couldn't kind of find a way to get into like a
00:48:52
Speaker
to play it, but a world. Exactly. Because I came in with like the expectations that it's a kind of an interactive game world that you can, you know, explore and stuff. So is that a limitation of the, because you have to put the game in a browser, basically. That's not a limitation. No, no. I mean, if anything, we don't have the time or resources to develop that and develop it well at this time.
00:49:19
Speaker
You know, that's not off the table. We're just, that's not the product. You know, at this point, um, I, we've talked about doing some, uh, a variety of, you know, enhancements to the game in the future. There will be things that continue to build. Um, the great thing about blockchain though, as we've kind of demonstrated with our beta product, which runs right now is that we can have simultaneously all of these products running at one time, if we so choose.
Game Development and Community Involvement
00:49:46
Speaker
So there's no reason to limit ourselves to saying, Yeah, we'll do this. No, we won't do that in the future, you know, we'll do we'll do what we do. That's kind of how we've always handled things at paint swap though we've very much been kind of a We are building stuff and then we'll drop it. You know, we don't like to announce things are over
00:50:10
Speaker
overdraw things, it's not really our shell. Right. And do the members of the DAO get to decide the direction that the game is taking or like the quest and the characters, like how involved are DAO members into the creation of the game itself? Well, the voting system is still relatively new. So, you know, we've only had a handful of chances to throw it out there, but, um,
00:50:36
Speaker
I think our first one was they helped us decide on some skills to put into the game, I'm pretty sure. But yes, that is a utility of brush is getting to vote on the direction of S4 Kingdom. I'm not gonna pretend like we're gonna put fundamental bones of the game in front of the members of the community because there are things that need to be decided by professionals, you know what I mean?
00:51:05
Speaker
But anytime that it's possible for us to involve the community, we want to do that. We're hungry for that community feedback because the more you listen to the community, I mean, in a job like I do, the more that you listen to the community, the less work you have to do. You just listen to people. You don't even have to come up with ideas. People just tell you stuff and you can do whatever, you know, but that that's kind of how we operate. It's a.
00:51:30
Speaker
It's a good amount of voting, we hope, that will apply towards S4 Kingdom, but it will never be something that could compromise the integrity of the product, I guess is the best way to say that. I think that's a very nice way of putting it and a very nice way to go around the limitation of what I feel a lot of people think about when they think about DAOS is, okay, well, you have this decentralized organization that essentially could, in theory, be run by people who have no idea about this or that or the other.
00:51:59
Speaker
being able to kind of, you know, bring professionals in to advise on things that maybe, because not everyone needs to be a software developer or like an AWS infrastructure engineer or whatever. You know, so I think that's a very nice way of going around that limitation and making the DAO itself more credible and eventually more successful down the line. Yeah. You can think of like the founders and team members as
00:52:26
Speaker
I mean, you know, like a trust organization behind it. And our community does have a lot of trust in us. We've never, we've never breached our community's trust in any way. And we will never do that. You know, we're a very above board organization. So that's kind of why we've met no resistance at any point in these things. You know, we've got, I'd say we have a core membership of,
00:52:55
Speaker
People and that specifically revolves around our discord that just enjoy our products. They like to see what the developers come up with next. They, they, they trust in that process and that's kind of been the, the guiding attitude of paint swap.
00:53:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's honestly such a, such a nice way of doing it. Um, instead of, yeah, it's a nice balance between listening to the community and making, um, the right choices with, with the right experts when you need to. Um, have you heard of LTO network?
00:53:31
Speaker
I had a chat with the guys. So it's really interesting. It kind of ties in to what you guys are working on for S4Kingdom. So one of their products is they've been in discussions with other chains to figure out a standardized method of rendering in-game items across different chains and different potential games that are going to come up.
00:53:59
Speaker
So let's say you have a sword in this game, like how do you import it into this other game? So they've been discussing some kind of a standard. And I think it's a big discussion in the industry as a whole, just creating standards for gaming NFTs.
NFT Standards and Technology
00:54:16
Speaker
Like how does the design need to look and all that? I think that there's an over focus on creating a standard
00:54:26
Speaker
That's a very centralized thing to do. If I want to utilize a contract in my contract, I will do that and you won't stop me. Right. And that's, that's the point of the decentralization to me, which I'm not saying that what they're doing is invaluable. I'm sure it is very valuable and it'll create something awesome. But what I think is more important is.
00:54:51
Speaker
If I want my players to be able to import your sword, all I have to do is deploy a wrapper contract that somehow interacts with yours. And then it becomes me who makes that happen, not the blockchain or another developer or another company. It's me, you know? So I think that that kind of agency is really important when we consider the future of blockchain and this interactivity and stuff.
00:55:18
Speaker
There's a developer, uh, who I've worked with a couple of times, his name's max flow to, and he is very, he very much does these things. He, if he sees a, a problem that he wants to resolve, he doesn't say who's going to resolve this. He just does that. And that's kind of how paint swap operates as well. Um, but I think that in, in general, in the future of, pardon me, blockchain interactivity, the, the number one consideration has to be.
00:55:52
Speaker
far. I don't think we need to standardize and centralize. I think we need to further decentralize and give ourselves more responsibility as creators to interact with more things for our community. But that's just my opinion.
00:56:09
Speaker
No, for sure. I think decentralization is incredibly important in any aspect, whether you think in terms of actual governments and the way power is structured within governments or
00:56:26
Speaker
anywhere you really look you could think okay yeah this could do with a more with more decentralization. I think I don't necessarily think standardizing or having a standard that's accessible for in-game items is not necessarily a bad thing if it makes the user experience more seamless because I guess
00:56:45
Speaker
Why would you go about redesigning or recoding something that could easily be standardized just as you have an ERC 721? Like you take that NFT. As an ERC standard, that would be a good addition. That would be a great addition as a contract standard and ERC standard. Now that I'd be in.
00:57:03
Speaker
Yeah, and everybody would be able to just import that and it just works seamlessly across different chains and different platforms and everywhere. Actually, interesting, I noticed that you guys do ERC 1155s. Do you have any 721s and is there a reason why you're going for 1155s? We support any contract that our users need us to support for the most part. 1155 is our preferred.
00:57:28
Speaker
Uh, mainly because of gas optimization and honestly, it just does more stuff. You know, uh, uh, the seven 21 contracts, of course, that was our original standard seven 21 NFT contract. For those who don't know, without going too deep into it, you can only meant one, one item one on this contract ever. And so that seven 21 contract, you've now got item one and it's provably the only item one.
00:57:57
Speaker
in a 721 enumerable which is a better version of that contract you can look on the block explorer it'll tell you how many have been minted so far but that's pretty much the only difference then there's the 1155 that we're talking about now the 1155 you can mint um it's it's more of an ecosystem contract than just an NFT contract but you can utilize it as an NFT contract if you'd like to do that you meant multiple quantity of single items
00:58:26
Speaker
You can batch transfer things directly from the contract. Everything costs way less gas, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, so we use our heroes. Actually, this is interesting. We use a combination of seven 21 and 11 55 in S four kingdom. We utilize, um, 11 55 contracts for our items, because of course, you know, there's like 10,000 small bones in my inventory right now. I can't have 10,000 individual NFTs for that. That's dumb.
00:58:56
Speaker
So instead we use quantity, right? So every small bone is ID number 85 or whatever. I've just got 10,000 of ID number 85. And that way you can utilize the 11th, the five contract to make like, you know, scalable trades and stuff like that. And then our heroes are 7 21 because they are unique one of one and they will only ever be that one thing and never change. Okay. We are also the only, uh,
00:59:23
Speaker
No one has ever released another marketplace on Phantom that supports 1155 contracts, which is bananas to me, but it's mind blowing. Yeah. It's okay. That's interesting. Yeah. In fact, I think, um, not to, I don't mean to humble brag, but I'm pretty sure we may be the only NFT marketplace deployed right now. That's just a standard marketplace on Phantom.
00:59:48
Speaker
I could be wrong about that though. Don't take that to the bank, but there have been some developments. Fair enough. Fair enough. Um, okay. So I let's say, okay. I have, I have a hero. I have a, um, seven 21, right? Um, a hero and I have a bunch of items and I, if I happen to find a really rare item in your game, um, how easy it is for me to trade that with, with someone.
01:00:18
Speaker
Do what you want to do, man. You can sell it on the open market on the NFT marketplace, if that's what you want to do. If you think you're going to be able to get a good price for it on the open marketplace, you can take it there. You can also sell it directly into the store if it's a sellable item. You can't sell items to our in-game store if there haven't been 100 of them minted, however. So your rarest items, you're likely to have to sell on the open market. There are a bunch of reasons for that.
01:00:45
Speaker
You know, of course we don't want the economy getting drained, but also it promotes use of that person to person. And we do have peer to peer swaps on our NFT marketplace as well that are trustless. So you can do a trustless peer to peer swap of items so you don't get runescape. Right.
01:01:05
Speaker
So in-game store, do you mean selling items to an NPC or to other players in-game? No, to an NPC, to the store. You can sell your item to the store and we destroy it so that it, you know, we burn items as they sell them to the store. And it kind of keeps us from oversupplying any of these NFTs, you know, because if we have, if at any point we've got 2 million logs are available out there and then
01:01:31
Speaker
I don't know. We decided to do some quest that requires logs. Whoever has 2 million logs is now Julius Caesar, I guess. We don't want those things happening. So whenever we get items sold back to the store, we burn them to keep our overall supply down. So you don't re-buy items in our store marketplace. You can only buy items secondhand. I'm sorry. I said in our store marketplace, our in-game marketplace.
01:01:59
Speaker
If you want to buy secondhand from another human, you have to do that on pain swap. But it's also safe and trustless, so you don't have to worry about people just taking your stuff and leaving. No, that's awesome, dude. So anything that you want to share with the people listening, any kind of socials that you want to shout, anything in particular they want people to focus on? Yes. All right. I'm going to cheat, and I'm going to pull my Twitter up to make sure that I
01:02:29
Speaker
this right. So, first of all, I'm chronic dispositions on Twitter. That's at chronic dispose. C-H-R-O-N-I-C, dispose. And then paint swap is paint underscore swap S four kingdom is one word S four kingdom E-S-T-F-O-R kingdom.
01:02:53
Speaker
So definitely join us on Twitter. I'm pretty sure all of those, except mine, have a link tree that will take you everywhere else you could possibly want to go. Awesome. I might actually join the Discord, because it seems like a pretty cool community. So I wouldn't mind shooting the brings. We've been having a lot of new S4 players, actually. So you'll be right at home. Come on in, start playing S4, join the Discord. Awesome, dude. Thanks a lot. Shall we wrap it up?
01:03:21
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, man. I appreciate you. This has been a lot of fun. I enjoy a good conversation. Thank you. Yeah, me too, dude. Thanks a lot. Thanks for joining. And yeah, thanks for telling us all about it, man. Thank you. Thanks, everybody.