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Speaker: Hi! Hey, welcome back to Fixated, a podcast with us, Ellen and Joelle. I am Ellen. And I'm Joelle. This is a podcast where we talk about all the media and culture and stuff that we just can't look away from. The things we just can't seem to get over. And why it matters all so, so much to us.
Speaker: this episode is a super fun one we have our second ever guest our dear friend jay iso joins us and we talk about two little like niche topics you might have heard of star wars and the newest Spider -Man movie. So tune in.
Speaker: What's up guys? Hello. We're back with episode 13. Team. which we were talking about maybe doing that thing where they skip over like a gate at the airport. They skip over 13 to this unlucky number and just move it to 14, but no. we're not superstitious like that this would be the luckiest one exactly because we have a guest yeah we're doing our second guest ever jay iso our dear friend
Speaker: And um part of our ramily is here. Ramily. What a day. Guys, it's an honor to be on Fixated. This has been a long time coming. I was actually going through our texts.
Speaker: before today and i saw that like the last text was from june and you're like jay the time has come and then it took a while but like now it's august and it is happening so i'm very excited
Speaker: It's an honor, a pleasure. yay the 13th episode we're gonna make it a lucky one exactly exactly it's been in the making for so long i feel like even when we were like thinking about we were conceptualizing the show back in so long ago now december um we were like and then we can have our friends on as guests like this is no one has ever done this before in the history of podcasting is having their friends and lo and behold here we are finally well okay please introduce yourself a little bit more however you may choose to what do you got going on Oh sure.
Speaker: Well, yeah, I am part of the Ramley. Go Rams. In addition to being Ellen and Joelle's friend, I, let's see, how should I, should I just do the full creative? Like, yeah, I guess so. I am a writer and comedian in New York, and I perform kind of around at various...
Speaker: comedy theaters and stuff like the brooklyn comedy collective and i have a um a about kind of near monthly show called Unregistered Hypercam where I ask six or seven, I didn't do that intentionally, but six or seven comedians roughly to present on like a weird old kind of internet relic, like an old YouTube video or an old like flash game. Oftentimes people bring in personal things and talk about it. So I do that. And then I also write some humor articles for. publications like Points and Case.
Speaker: So that's that's what I do.
Speaker: Yeah, I noticed this new writing humor articles. It's so exciting. Oh, yeah. Thank you. yeah yeah it's Yeah, it's been fun. Are they based in New York? Are they based in Brooklyn? or what I don't really know. I think a lot of... people who work there like i I know someone who works as an editor for them and that's like very New York based but because of its online submissions it's very much kind of from wherever you know yeah sometimes my little like New York reality bubble gets shattered because I just assume everyone doing stuff is like from New York and then you'll see like this person's from like Rotterdam Netherlands and it's like okay you know yeah sure yeah they're allowed to do that over there yeah I don't know if you guys see that on TikTok but it made me laugh I've seen probably just like a micro trend of people being like not everyone can be from New York or l la someone has to hold it down yeah i haven't heard that that's so funny it's like someone has to hold it down in rotterdam yeah someone has to no that's brilliant yes jay's one of our greatly talented friends it's been a while we used to do stand -up together jay and i he was in afford an experimental theater so i think you guys worked on a production together we did oh my god oh yeah we did yeah our covid play
Speaker: reality TV show live, which has a place in my heart. We made it all the way to tech week. And then because of COVID, we had to like not do it. And then let's see Scooby -Doo, right? oh yeah i wasn't a part of reality tv show live honestly ah were you not no oh because that was our Are you sure? I thought you were like, sure!
Speaker: I mean, it must've been our sophomore year, right? Like early. on is That's crazy. Gosh, that's a crazy Mandela effect. i liked When I think of reality TV show live and I'm like, and Ellen was holding it down. And Ellen was there. That's awesome. That was so fun. That was really fun. So funny. Still still tickles me to this day. You've got fans out there. Exactly. You really do.
Speaker: um no it made a mark and of course we won't bother explain what that means literally at all but if you know you know exactly if you know you know yeah and if you don't know i it's probably on like the fordham experimental theater youtube so feel free to um did we explain we all used to be on the board for our college's experimental yeah oh gosh yeah different reasons yeah i didn't do a great job i didn't do a great job casual it's very good
Speaker: I don't know if it was there for someone to be doing a good job. It was all in good spirit. Everyone was there for free. A little else. Just some lore building. Really some lore building. I did pull it up for a job application the other day because I was like
Speaker: fuck it i don't know what to say it is that it is something that has lived up i think it's still on my resume yeah i wasn't just on the college improv comedy club i was on the e -board of that i was the business manager thank you very much and i managed business and you best believe the business man you did a good job business a good old days guys and we go way back we'll wear all right
Speaker: should we do the first little segment let's talk about non -media our non -media fixations ellen go first why not yeah yeah okay well mine is really fun mine is not a new one i'm kind of fixated on this every day of my life but Tiramisu.
Speaker: Recently, I've really been in a tiramisu thing because also it was my birthday. And so I was having tiramisu at like every possible opportunity. I had more this week than like I probably should have. Love the tiramisu. There we go. Happy belated.
Speaker: by the way youed birthday thank you but i hear you oh my goodness where did we go where we had good tiramisu when we were in london we had really good tiramisu we had some really good tiramisu it was a huge place huge like as big as my head it was awesome yeah that's awesome just a brick of tiramisu precisely that's a very ellen fix exactly it's like it's not out of the life long at all lifelong fixation but it's been heavy heavier than usual week that's good for college you joelle what is your non -media fixation okay mine is i don't know all of a sudden i'm getting like bashful for some reason mine is i have was revamping my like
Speaker: schedule time blocking because I am. cursed by being a Virgo and so that's just kind of how I make sense of my life and I was like okay I want to incorporate one new thing and that one new thing truly are morning pages like a creative what's it called I keep on forgetting
Speaker: The artist's way or something like that. The artist's way. I was like, people want me to say like the creative act. I'm like, that's not what it is. The artist's way. Yeah, just kind of not actually committing to reading it. But people talk about the morning pages, you know, just like waking up and immediately as in after I spend like an hour on my phone in my bed, immediately going and like writing like three pages of just like stream of consciousness, basically. that Yeah, I was like, okay, I think it's probably time for me to do this. Like finally, like I think there's just comes there comes a point in every young woman's life. where they're like okay time to do that and honestly love it
Speaker: Honestly, sli so far, I've been pretty consistent. I've only missed one day now in the last like two weeks.
Speaker: And... I think it actually works, which again, crazy. That is crazy. They're like, oh, it's just supposed to like free up your mind a little bit at the start of the day so that. when you actually go to like do the creative stuff i could be butchering this too i think this is what the idea is things are flowing a little bit easier and i was like god damn i think it's working it's like i don't know i was like i actually kind of feel like by the time i like sit down to maybe like write or do something even if it's just like oh i've already kind of like put
Speaker: thoughts down. today so it doesn't feel like it's the first time i'm doing it it's neat and it was also making me think of this like sick sick fantasy that i have which is being able to actually do it in my own apartment and and waking up and like having a coffee or a tea probably a tea and sitting down and like the actual quiet because at the moment I sit down and do it in my bed like before I even get out of bed because I'm like the moment I open my door to my very blessed to have it but like home full of all of my family members and so I can't like it's just not gonna happen and so I was like wow
Speaker: That is really something, to an image to keep me going. when I finally am able. to be in a quiet space and do that i think we'll really be cooking then
Speaker: i' i'll be so on top of my shit my joelle's morning pages land in new york it's over yeah exactly exactly so that's my fixation i'm enjoying it that's good jay it's a good one we're doing like hot potato style jay your turn gosh my my non -media fixation right now is the concept and craft of the beach sandwich
Speaker: Have you guys been seeing these on like like videos of these? Yeah. Like it's really an artful. I mean, it's a tale as old as time. But, you know, people are really taken to the airwaves to sort of like concoct some ideas. And I'm really interested in them because the beach sandwich is for whatever reason. And I really think there's a whole you could dive into this from like a whole series of angles. But the ideal beach sandwich is something that like is.
Speaker: transportable is easily made and is in body mind and spirit like italian american which is awesome and yeah it's all they're always just like they feature my favorite things ever people are always just like opening up some ciabatta or even like a baguette or whatever and they put on some cured meats
Speaker: and some weird like funky cheese and then like sometimes i'll put like a bag of chips on there which is good that's controversial because people are like that's gonna cut up the inside of my mouth you know but worth um yeah recently this past week i was in long island and the beach sandwich Of choice was.
Speaker: you guys aren't ready for this oh my god i'm so excited on ciabatta We had, first of all. The ciabatta bread, lightly olive oiled and salted with flaky salt, of course. And and then we had fresh farm stand market peaches.
Speaker: Amazing sliced. And... arugula So hopefully I don't get there. diarrhea parasite and We put on the peaches hot honey. And... Barada.
Speaker: Oh, my God. Put a thing of burrata cheese on there. Oh, my God. I actually made a little vlog. I'm going to make it like a little food video. It's just like the greatest thing ever.
Speaker: It's incredible. I know. And it's sort of like growing up like in New Jersey, I kind of wish we locked into that a little harder, my family, but we would like not really do that. Like make a fun sandwich. Or also just because we were like kids, like the beach sandwich was just like plain turkey on white bread or whatever. right But yeah I really feel like it's a beautiful, and you just have it in parchment paper and your your toes are in the sand and it's just like. I don't know, something about it. Like it's sort of like, you know how in like fantasy media or something, whether it's like a dragon or like a wizard wand or like a lightsaber, it's like you don't choose it, it chooses you or something like that. I feel like that would beat sandwiches, right? Where it's like the perfect ideal combination of ingredients finds you. yeah and um
Speaker: I think I found it. this past week. so you're making me want to be on a beach for you who so stay tuned for the vlog it is gonna it's gonna be a short little 15 seconds just pure like studio ghibli style food off my it's gonna be great okay well now i'm very excited for that as well that makes me think of do you guys believe in the like glory of a beach oreo is this something i feel like i've maybe mentioned it before it's just the idea similar of like having
Speaker: an oreo on a beach because we used to bring oreos to the beach one of our beach snacks of choice and there was just always something that just hit especially hard about the beach oreo I like that. It's just.
Speaker: It's really hard to, it's it's really hard to explain if I'm being honest. And I've had one person be like, yes, before. I felt very seen. But I would recommend just included, I mean, you have your bag of chips, your sandwiches, also Oreo, also fresh fruit. A day at the beach. does not get better than that. Right. It's something about like anything that can be enjoyed. Like there's got to be a chemical food component to like the beach sandwich or the Oreo where it's like having your body temperature kind of being baked in the sun and like the salt in the air, like something about that just needs to awaken the flavor. It's like when people are like, oh, tomato juice is really good and on planes. It tastes different, I swear, because of the altitude. There's something analogous there. You know what I also feel like is, you know how people talk about how liberating? it is to eat like an orange in the shower because you don't have to worry about it getting like sticky right i kind of felt that a little bit like with the ocean like i was getting some burrata like cheese curd juice on my pants and i'm like this is like unacceptable and i had to like wade into the ocean to like wash off and i was like and it's okay because there's just body of salty water right here yeah anything goes easy
Speaker: Oh, yeah. The beach.
Speaker: We've low -key been to the beach recently, actually. Yeah, it was awesome. I'm remembering we got Jersey Mike's, and that was maybe my first time having Jersey Mike's. Really? I just had Jersey Mike's yesterday. I love Jersey Mike's. I never had access to that. Mike's way. You got to do it Mike's way. likes god I had tuna on the beach. It was great. Wow. Phenomenal. well that's a great one that's a great it's a beautiful non -media yeah yeah it's made me even though i literally just ate breakfast brunch or whatever it makes me want
Speaker: It's making me hungry for that. Watch this space. Tuned in for the vlog. From one instance? Yeah. Okay. Now that we've done that, now we get to the central part of the episode, our media fixations. Should we start with you, Jay? Because i I think we've got some similar ones. I me and ja i have my idea.
Speaker: i am right Okay, perfect. Give it to us. Yes. My media fixation this week is... I mean what else? But. George Lucas' 1977 Star Wars.
Speaker: here's the thing okay yes what else now and i wore this shirt today this is my star wars shirt i didn't even wear it no and i was going to talk about this merch but i like many young men my age have had a lifelong relationship with star wars i was a young pup for this but i grew up absorbing you know the excitement of the The prequels coming out, I was a youngster. When the sequels came out, I've consumed and a lot of Star Wars media. I've read a lot of Star Wars comics.
Speaker: But I had a really interesting experience last week. And that is that my... friend and roommate who I've known my entire life despite growing up in the same environment as me at the same time period and knowing me who's been you know very tuned into Star Wars he has never seen a single piece of Star Wars media and so last week I showed him the original Star Wars for the first time and I got to it was a strange experience because I've never watched Star Wars
Speaker: with someone who really genuinely like had no idea. what it was about or what they were getting into and i kind of got to see it through like an adult lens like an adult perspective and also like not even an adult lens or adult perspective but like a 2020s perspective of like does this movie still work right does it hold up right Now to set the scene, I watched this with, so it was me, my one friend who knows nothing about Star Wars, and then my other friend, Will, also part of the Ramblings, who knows probably more about Star Wars than literally anyone I know. And it was really...
Speaker: interesting because it kind of felt like bringing like a girlfriend home to like meet my parents because i just like really wanted him to like really get it.
Speaker: Like, yeah, I didn't want him. He didn't have to, like, love it. But I wanted him to, like, understand why, like. For me, it's... spectrum Media like that is like a part of you when it's been in your life for that long. It's like right really important that people get it. Well, what's interesting too is like, I thought, I mean, with something so ubiquitous, he was going in with a blank slate, but even a blank slate of Star Wars. It's like, I asked him before, I'm like, so what do you? Like, what do you know about this?
Speaker: film franchise.
Speaker: And he's like, I know some of the names of the characters and I know that Darth Vader is Luke's father. And I'm like, okay, right. Yeah. Wasn't expecting. him to not know that yeah um but it was funny where like there were things in the movie. that like because of Star Wars's presence and its sort of independent identity in like the mainstream he had some like misconceptions which were surprising to hear about and it's interesting because when you think of Star Wars you think of like the main bad guy is Darth Vader right right now there is if you know ball like Emperor Palpatine is like above him but like Darth Vader is like the main bad guy and
Speaker: It's interesting because in the first movie, he's kind of not. Like, he's getting pushed around. And the whole thing is it's, like, not pushed around, but, like, the whole thing is he's taking orders from, like, the imperial, like, vanguard, right? like And it's very kind of political. Like, they talk about they're, like, we dissolved the Senate. We are, like, the sort of the governors of these planets, and we're ruling now. And Darth Vader's kind of, like, Darth Vader's, like, the muscle. And so, like, there were parts during it. This is just one example, but, like, my roommate had to be, like, wait, I'm confused. Like... I thought Darth Vader was like in charge of everyone. Why is it, why are people giving him orders? And then it's like, we would give him these really deep lore answers with references to things that like he didn't know about. And then after a while I had to be like.
Speaker: it's hard to like cleanse your mind of that. yeah I'm like, it's just because that's the way it is. Like imagine you didn't know anything about this movie. It's like, oh, he's like the bad guy, but like there are people in charge of him. Like that's what it is. And that's fine. Yeah. oh that's not I don't know. I mean, when was the last time you guys have seen the original Star Wars?
Speaker: The last time. ink Honestly, I watched it once when I was probably 13. So I'm really am not familiar with Star Wars. like It's been on like my brother is a fan and we have like a big old box set. of them and so it's been on in my house probably within the last year or so like even just like on tv
Speaker: When's the last time I sat down to really... watch them? I had to watch them as an assignment in like this one film and media class from like senior year of high school. um They're really digging deep for the film class. I think at least like like of the like trio, three I can't remember, because she was trying to make some point about maybe genre. But that's probably the last time I truly sat down and was like really paying attention to them. Yeah. So I think. between the two of us up there's some blind spots there with yeah the whole like right of it well it's interesting because it's like i kept trying to think back like i had kind of these two modes of thought where i'm like what would i think if i saw this in 1977 for the first time and that's sort of like a fool's errand because i wasn't alive in 1977 it's like the short answer is i would have loved it you know like everyone did but like yeah instead of asking myself what would i think If I was there in 1977, I thought like...
Speaker: a what would i think if i'd never seen it or ever heard of it and someone's like here's a weird movie from 1977 put it on and then i also thought like what would i think if this came out today And my thesis statement about the whole experience, like not even talking about the original trilogy, but like that first movie, it does hold up.
Speaker: And it holds up well, like it is good, but it's interesting because. We don't really have movies like that today. Right. And I don't mean like, oh, everything that comes out today sucks, you know, but I mean, like, this was a movie made at a time. where I think that there were sort of cultural expectations. And a lot of precedent at the time for what like a space movie should be.
Speaker: And Star Wars in a lot of ways kind of...
Speaker: broke that mold in a way that audiences at the time could like really see, you know, because if you look at science fiction of like the 60s and the 70s, you get a lot of like the B movie, like The Day the Earth Stood Still, where it's like a guy in a rubber suit walking around, or Star Trek is a lot like that. And a lot of kind of conceptual stuff like 2001 a space odyssey where everything's like trippy and psychedelic and star wars is funny because it's it's really more of a fantasy movie than a space movie it's like a fantasy movie that takes place in space right you know it's like there are kind of wizards and they have powers and there is a princess you know yeah who is literally called a princess it's not even like she's a stand -in for an archetype she is the princess and yeah it it takes its time in certain areas is
Speaker: that movies today just don't and i think that it works for some things right there's like a big famous kind of scene right where luke looks out over the the two sons of tatooine and the music swells and it's sort of like him being like i want to get out of here i want to go on an adventure i want a life bigger than my own and that was just so beautiful because it's like at that time you know will and i were just like they don't make stuff like this like they do not never will you see like a big studio blockbuster where like a character has like
Speaker: a moment of quiet reflection where the music and the scenery tells you everything they need to know. It'd be them being like, I really want to do this, you know? yeah yeah um And then other times I was sort of like, not often, but there were times where I'm like, this is dragging a little bit. Like like the whole third act, they're like in spaceships, like attacking the Death Star. And like, that's really, really tense for like.
Speaker: parts of it but other parts of it it's just like okay like one guy's like i'm gonna do it and then his ship gets blown up and then another guy's like i'm gonna do it and then he gets blown up and i'm like all right i'm sure this was very very tense if you didn't know what was gonna happen yeah yeah no that's such an interesting read i don't know i feel like we have so much to think about like there's so much like material there we think about like space movies as a genre or as a subgenre sure whatever i mean i don't know how much of like thought about it as much but i think the last space movie i must have seen is project hail mary oh I was kind of thinking about that one with its...
Speaker: contemporaries is not really what i'm trying to say but i was thinking about like just similar ones i guess because i haven't really seen like gravity but there was the one with matt damon i can't remember the name of it either oh the martian the marian thank you there's obviously interstellar to bring Christopher Nolan back into conversation but then you have like Dune which is technically a space movie in whatever way that it is that I would argue is probably more in that like tradition of Star Wars again a little bit more kind of like fantastical that one feels like a fantasy straight oh right yeah of its plot love Dune but
Speaker: Kind of to your point, it's so like... serious like it is you know what I mean like it doesn't have as you're saying like maybe it will be one of those that is
Speaker: more inclined to be like so much contemplation from these characters and kind of taking its time and so kind of character driven but It's still just like quite different from like what what you're describing and reflecting on with Star Wars. so I guess maybe it's kind of a like, I don't know, there's like horseshoe theory apply. Like Star Wars kind of breaks the mold and you can get something that's like Dune, but it comes back around to being a little bit more cerebral and somewhat. serious if that makes sense like dude dude is interesting because it's very like um I mean, a big thing that sets them apart is like, yeah, even thinking about like Interstellar. Interstellar is very much like, and this is what space could really be like, you know, and this is the math behind it. And a wormhole is when you fold a piece of paper and punch a hole through it. Yeah. You know, like a realism about it. Right. yeah Star Wars and Dune don't concern themselves with that as much. Dune's definitely like. frank herbert was kind of like a freak you know in the book is like and this is how the ecology works and this is how like the evolutionary tree worked but it's it's less about like the science and more about yeah the grand
Speaker: story you know? Yeah.
Speaker: And yeah, George Lucas, like I don't even think he, like he kind of famously was influenced by like. cowboy movies and like akira kurosawa like samurai movies Interesting. And less like, I want to make an awesome science movie. Yeah. Star Wars is more than science fiction. It's a movie about like getting the gang together. And I love a movie where like they get the gang together. Yeah. Or Space Cowboys. Hello. Like literally, yeah. It's like yeah different archetypes and they kind of clash, but they get to get along. And like, I don't know. I love movies like that, you know, where it's like, oh, we have to go on an adventure with this guy. This guy sucks. And then by the end, they're best friends. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good trope. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like. I got some studying to do stuff Star Wars wise. Me too. you know It's interesting where, so this is not an original thought. This is something my dad told me he read in like an article or something like that. So it's not an original thought, but whose thought it is, I have no idea. But it was asking the question, like what would Star Wars' cultural legacy be if they never made more than one? If they put out this one movie and people loved it and it didn't turn into this like blockbuster franchise where we have all these other associations with it and we think about, you know, Adam Driver. and you know, all that stuff. But it's like a close equivalent could be something like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, where it's like, here is a story that people really liked, and it's beloved, and people would still watch it. But it's like, that's kind of the story, you know, and maybe they remake it, you know, and maybe the remake is weird, or maybe they do a spinoff, but you know.
Speaker: could that have worked as a standalone movie? And the answer is, I think, yes. I mean, it leaves room for sequels, which they obviously made, but like the first movie is very, it's pretty tight in its writing and stuff. So yeah.
Speaker: definitely worth watching again especially through like an adult frame of mind i remember i remember finding them and i guess still do i don't know why i'm putting it so like squarely in the past tense but like needless to say extremely entertaining yeah i think probably purposely such a low appropriately low barrier of entry like they're they're just accessible they're just good It was just really entertaining to watch. but Thinking about the like long tale of Star Wars.
Speaker: stuff as you're saying like not just the like sequels and repeat trilogies and stuff but also there's something like shows and some like side stories and stuff do you have like well i kind of want to ask if you have like a particular hot take about any of them about star wars yeah just kind of like up until like this point right now with all the different like media properties that have come from it i i do have a i probably have a couple but there's one that comes to mind let's go for it and that is that
Speaker: People who really know a lot about Star Wars. get really into the weeds about the idea of the force and like what the force can do right and to be fair i think that's kind of a natural thing because every star wars movie kind of introduces a new force like ability right like in the first movie they don't use the force to move things around at all that comes in like in the in the second movie when luke is upside down in the wampa cave and he has to reach for his lightsaber right
Speaker: and And famously, right, famously, George Lucas. It's kind of stupid. But in the first movie, Obi -Wan Kenobi uses like a force mind trick. And it's really cool. It's like he uses the force to manipulate guards to let them through a checkpoint. And that's crazy. And then George Lucas is like, well, I introduced mind control into the universe. So like now you see in a couple of Star Wars movies, like they'll try and mind trick someone and they'll be like, I'm just a species that that doesn't work on. They do that twice. And it's like, that doesn't make sense. But my hot take is that like the force.
Speaker: should operate. way less like a skill tree of like oh well if you're a good enough jedi then you can control people's minds or if you're a good enough jedi you know then you can move things but you need to train i think that i like the force the way it's presented in the first movie which is like this strange mystic thing and who knows what it can do you know obi -wan kenobi used it to mind control these guys is it just him that can do that maybe maybe other people can but like i think the more we try and nail it down as like well these are the powers that it unlocks if you're a good enough jedi right now and you see it in the sequels they really make these big moments of like whenever ray uses one of those force powers it's sort of like and did you guys see that you know like crazy right right or like they recently introduced it where it's like if you lay your hands on someone you can use the force to heal them and people are like that white you know that's a huge plot hole for all the other movies that's like Okay. like like it literally is yeah it literally is it literally is the hair and look is it kind of a plot hole sure like yeah there are moments when like jedi should have been able to heal other people from being killed but i kind of like it where it's less defined there's no like the force works like x or the force works like y it's like people have an affinity and attunement to this like mythological sort of
Speaker: ethereal thing yeah and um if you tap into that and you welcome that into your life you will you will be able to have some control over it so i don't know like yeah the whole thing of being like well only this person should be able to use force lightning and this person only does this because of this like there's so much trying to in the movies and expanded media trying to like retcon force abilities and recontextualize force abilities and explain why this person didn't use this ability at this time and then we just got to let it We just got to let it breathe. You know, something like the force. works in mysterious ways yeah and you should not concern yourself with you know using it like some resource in a video game like that's that is my hot
Speaker: Star Wars take.
Speaker: I like that. Yeah. and course yeah like The Force is the friends we made along the way. The Force is the friends we made along the way. Literally in the first movie, they they're like, yeah and it's the friends we made along the way. But there'd be some mystery. I love that. yeah Right. He would never say, like when Obi -Wan Kenobi uses the mind trick, he would never, ever in that original movie say like, well, that's a Force mind trick and Jedi can do that. And I learned at the Jedi school to do the Jedi trick. It's just like, no, it's like this strange old man has powers. And you know, like that's cool. that's better it's like this little green guy speaks in riddles that's all right why they never say that's fine there're they're canonically there is one other person not counting baby yoda there's one other member of yoda's species in like star wars media and she's kind of a side character she's in the prequels She Talks Normal.
Speaker: she doesn't talk backwards why does she have to talk backwards and it's fine we don't need to know that it's fine it was a bit yeah the actual like the lore reason is that he's so old that back in the day people used to talk like this always we should have given him a transatlantic that would have been awesome that would have been great just a freaky guy I mean, show of hands of who likes Baby Yoda. Yeah, this is real Joelle lore. She hates Baby Yoda. I don't know, man. You don't like Baby Yoda. I mean, I don't know enough about him, to be clear. It's not like I've watched The Mandalorian and I'm like, oh, I hate. I just...
Speaker: we don't really vibe like i don't know what else to say that's okay i just like yeah and i'm like you want to drop kick it baby yo And I kind of want to dropkick it a little. Whoever made that, whoever came up with the idea of Baby Yoda, I hope that they're enjoying their like beachfront properties in like the Florida Keys and Malibu and on the French Riviera.
Speaker: yeah You know that the moment, that that that pitch meeting must have like, they must have been popping champagne at the end of that pitch meeting where Baby Yoda was invented. You're so right. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. Oh, to be, oh to be.
Speaker: On the team. and also gotten my check. That was crazy. To be in in the world of stars and in the Mandalorian, it is really cool. It's like, oh my God, there's another member of Yoda's species. Like, that's insane. And it's cute. And yeah.
Speaker: i He's like a cute guy. and Hopefully they give him something other to do than be cute because it's been 10 years now and he hasn't done anything but be cute. It's 10 years old now? That's crazy. I think. Does it talk? Oh no, no, not 10. I think like 2019 was when he came out. So like we're pushing 10. Does the thing talk? No.
Speaker: No. and And in the new movie, The Mandalorian and Grogu, which was like no one saw and was kind of boring. Like someone tries to talk to Baby Yoda and Mandalorian's like, he doesn't talk. And you're like, oh, cool. Like Will even said this when we were watching Star Wars. Like, cool. Like that means that by the end of this movie, he's going to have his first words. Like that's going to be so cute. And then he doesn't. he has't They can't can't change him too much because then he won't be the same cute. He's like a prop, which like sucks, but it's fine. He promised early and then was like, no, that wasn't even a promise, actually. yeah I've sat through countless media hours of watching Baby Yoda mess with the controls on the spaceship. you know It's like, yeah, that's what he does. That's all he does.
Speaker: Well, that's awesome. Hearing you speak so passionately about Star Wars. It was awesome. I feel like I learned. I'm like, I should sit down and watch that. yeah Yeah. It's especially like those first three are really like. yeah
Speaker: And this goes into the production too, but it's like so many things came together. Like obviously John Williams music, George Lucas's wife at the time, Marsha Lucas, who just died a couple months ago. She like famously like re -edited the whole thing last minute and made it into what it is. She won an Oscar for that movie, for the editing of that movie. and Yeah. So there's just like a lot. And like famously everyone is hot, which is great. you know like It's an awesome thing to see. You know, there are even Alec Guinness, who's like an old ass man in that movie. It's still like, all right, you know, sure. There are some Princess Leia Han Solo scenes that have like gone. nearly plucked yeah my god in my life that's far whenever they like show up on social media and they're like
Speaker: well period that chemistry's crazy i know yeah like i'm sad it's oh yeah that's good that's good stuff Okay. I feel like you still might have a good bit to say about what I believe is a somewhat joint fixation yes for Ellen and I. Interesting. part of a very blockbuster huge franchise similar there's a lot to talk about um especially as we think about like the expansion of media properties and whether that's good or not but no exactly Either way.
Speaker: We were thinking about talking about Spider -Man A New Day that we both saw like last week. Yeah. Ellen, what were you thinking about talking about it? What did you think about it? I think I enjoyed it. i
Speaker: really, really enjoyed the first, like... couple of minutes that intro scene where it really felt like like a cartoon like a comic book i love that that's my favorite part of a superhero movie when it really feels colorful and it's it's just like over the top and cheesy and it is like the way that the old batman movies used to be i love that
Speaker: So it was so much fun what they had. like I'm not as familiar with Spider -Man villains, so I don't remember their names, but like the big freaky guy. You know that guy? The big freaky guy? The big freaky guy. I loved that. That was really fun. That was my favorite part, was the intro. And then the rest of the movie, I enjoyed it. It was perfectly fine to me. But I, I mean, spoiler alert incoming, I am not familiar with the X -Men at all. And so I didn't really, I wasn't as aligned with the rest of the movie. I wasn't as locked in just because I - honestly didn't know what was happening I was
Speaker: their opening night which is always really fun so i was in a theater that was like clapping and cheering and they did the name drop for sadie sink's character and everyone started shrieking and i was like am i supposed to know who that is like which i've never experienced in a marvel movie before because i'm a marvel girl like i knew everything about all of those growing up it was crazy that was a unique experience for me so i enjoyed it But yeah.
Speaker: Not as much as I think I've enjoyed the other Spider -Man movies. Interesting. I really liked it. My, like, again, like, my brother had seen it. And I heard, like, a few good things. I was hearing mainly good things, I guess. But I was avoiding spoilers. Avoiding a lot. Because even my brother, before he even saw it, was like, yeah, they're not, like, saying who, like, Sadie Sink is. But, like, I think it's, like, a little obvious. And I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. So don't even. I was like, don't start. I don't want to be spoiled. Please. And he went to see it. And he, like, came back and he was like, it was really good. that He was like. high high compliments i was like okay shoot like i' i'll go see what it's about and
Speaker: honestly like similarly like liked it so much just like enjoyed the watching experience yeah more than anything you know i was like this is very fun to me and I don't want to be like, I know so much about the X -Men, but like similarly almost to like Star Wars, like it kind of was just like one of those things that was on a lot, like Hugh Jackman's X -Men movies, Wolverine, I should say. And so I have like general context. I really also liked when they did the...
Speaker: somewhat reboot where like Jennifer Lawrence was there as Mystique and James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender were you know I remember enjoying those movies a decent amount as well so I'm like at least familiar with some of the players there so I honestly was very gagged with that reveal because I was just like sitting there kind of like empty -headed being like yeah like what is this like mysterious villain like who the hell is this and what is going on and they said that and I was like oh oh I was like okay so we're we're getting into some stuff because in the like the Wolverine movies I just kind of like understand that she's like very powerful kind of like big deal and so I was like oh shoot like this this is really exciting actually so I really love that reveal and I thought Sadie Sink was awesome in it in general i like tom hall and spider -man stuff he's like i think he's just he's so good yeah good i did i did enjoy actually in this one that they like aged him up
Speaker: um that they made a point to be like yeah and we're out of college now because in the beginning i did take a look at him and i was like that is not a teenager that's not a 16 year old anymore yeah like that yeah so i'm glad they addressed it for sure i agree and i just i've long thought like tom holland in this role through each of these little movies where they like to put him through something slightly torturous and it's kind of gotten like worse and worse i think he plays distraught like super well like i think that's just always the most like affecting part of his performances across these movies numerous times i feel like i've been like damn like you're actually kind of getting me like and this was like just equally there because he was just like upset depressed throughout all of it i was like this is good i love when they just like put guys through it but especially spider -man is such a character that like really suffers and i enjoy right not yeah and i was really thinking about part of i think the freshness of tom hall and spider -man this run of things was that you didn't have the like uncle ben dying scene yeah stuff like that so there was so much of it that i don't know i feel like the spider -man character was allowed to be much more like young and like buoyant and kind of happy -go -lucky and kind of dealing with stuff sure but like blah blah blah blah and then the Aunt May of it all. Obviously that kind of is like the major context and then having to like, we know the story, mind wipe every everybody. So I think it was just interesting to like have now, have him like the character have to go through being. super depressed yeah than before and I think it's like I don't know I'm kind of like holding it out it's interesting to like have to like develop that and like get to it it has different emotional payoff that I think was like cool and affecting. and I guess this is more about the third thing. I thought it was such a clever... reset like very clever where it's like and now no one even remembers him yeah it's so funny i don't know what it is but it's like everyone on the internet thinks this way and so do i where it's like
Speaker: Spider -Man needs to suffer a little bit in his personal life. You know, like someone like... like dr strange doesn't really need to suffer but like peter parker he needs to go through it he needs to suffer and that he does and that he does yeah yeah it was good i thought it was cool what else was i thinking about it i was waiting with bated breath for matt murdoch to show up and so i have some thoughts about it already a little bit right yeah they kind of did right so it's like 60 of me is like doesn't matter whatever it's fine it's his own movie that's a tv show this is the movie what yeah 40 % of me is like, okay. Hang on a second. m
Speaker: Punisher features heavily in this, who's from the TV shows. Which, by the way, I thought that was awesome. I thought he was going to be like a cameo kind of character. Loved that he was sort of like... Sort of foil. Spiderman.
Speaker: and Matt Murdock have like met without realizing it. But you know, they never say this, but it's like they totally would know who the other is, right? Like Daredevil's always making headlines, all this stuff. I'm debating how much of this is like an actual like nerd. thing and how much of this is kind of like a actual like world building thing where i'm like i was waiting for at least some reference to like i wish daredevil was here because the whole time spider -man's like oh man frank castle is so like reckless and like
Speaker: we're just running around New York together trying to make things right. Like I was like, damn, like there is another street level hero who you can call. Like it would be okay. But and I actually thought for a second when Sadie Sink, when she was like doing her Jean Grey projections into everyone, and which again, yeah, like Joelle, like like you said, like I was like in my mind, I'm like, which Spider -Man villain can do this? Like, but this is crazy. I was like expecting it's like, oh, and then she's going to get in Daredevil's head and they're going to fight. Like I was really like waiting for it. Waiting for it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, the Jean Grey reveal was, because it's like, I don't know like a whole lot about the X -Men, but I have seen the original movies and I've seen a little bit of the new show, X -Men 97. So i was I was like very much like, oh shit, like in the theater, like this is this is huge. Because it's like, other than Wolverine, she's very much sort of like the plot driving character. Like she's always getting into some stuff. And yeah, I think that was sort of like.
Speaker: I think it was a clever way to introduce the X -Men. But my gripe with the movie... that I have is like, not that Spider -Man stuff was great, but... I think there was a point where it kind of definitively became like. her movie.
Speaker: yeah and like not his and i think that works well within the context of like setting up for doomsday but i wonder how it's going to age like with re -watching yeah because it's sort of like if you watch it now it's like Cool, like... We know what they're doing. We know what they're setting up for.
Speaker: This is great. but it kind of feels like imagine if you were to watch like um like a batman movie and then like at the big reveal it's like and this guy's actually aquaman and then like the rest of the 40 minutes are like all about like aquaman's backstory and stuff like that yeah you could be like cool but like what happened to batman you know like yeah so i i think it faltered a little bit there for me personally, where I'm like...
Speaker: Oh, sweet. Like, this is all going to be about Spider -Man and his stuff. And his stuff I thought was great. yeah And to be fair, if I was like a troubled psychic child with powers who was put in the evil government child torturing chamber, i would I would love for Spider -Man to rescue me. I would love to confide in Spider -Man. But yeah, I was a little bit like...
Speaker: Okay, like...
Speaker: this is now like kind of something else. And like yeah that's fine. Like, I don't think it was bad, but I was like. This is something else now. No, I hear what you're saying, especially because like a question I had. I think with it shifting to being so much about Jean. And then also I was like, maybe I'm reading too far into it, but I also think that it would be the kind of thing that Marvel would do. Just kind of how it ended. I was like, is there supposed to be some type of like symbolism with him like walking out anonymously into the crowd? And like, yes, it's supposed to be kind of funny with like Frank and the Spider -Man mask yeah waving from the thing. But I was like, is this supposed to be some type of like subtle farewell kind of thing? Because I don't know what they might want to do.
Speaker: now that they've kind of like done
Speaker: Trilogy and one. with Tom Holland's Spider -Man. I would kind of expect more of a send -off, honestly. That's an interesting question. But maybe also maybe, especially with the doomsday of it all, like and the fact that they're like X -Men coming. like I don't know yeah what's the like longevity with this Spider -Man. I haven't thought about that. like Are they going to make another solo Spider -Man movie with him? Or is that kind of it? They might move on to Miles Morales, maybe? I hope so. That'd be great. That'd be really cool. Yeah, especially with them really aging up Spider -Man at this point. And it's been, what, 10 years since he's... started I think you're right I think he might be on his way out
Speaker: Peter Parker mentor status. Yeah. Yeah. that'd be interested be I'd be interested in that. What do you guys think? And maybe there's some like. knowledge that has been like i don't know if they've made announcements or stuff but now there's this question right the fox x -men legacy characters still very much kind of in it they're in deadpool and wolverine they're in avengers doomsday not just professor x and magneto but like alan cumming and james marzen like they have like literally everyone and then they have say to say new jean gray yeah so do you guys think when they really
Speaker: delve into x -men is there going to be like a multiverse thing where it's like it's the same characters but different actors are they going to just do new x -men like who haven't been featured in the movies like what do you think is gonna happen with that
Speaker: I don't know. they've They announced like Kit Connors casting as Cyclops. And I think that's that girl's name. Someone as Emma Frost. yeah But still, and and then the multiverse question is like, did Marvel ever know what they were really about to do with the multiverse? are really yeah Arguably, they were a little you yeah throwing things at the wall. So maybe, you maybe they'll find it a useful tool.
Speaker: yeah To kind of make things make sense in their own way. Yeah, they tend to. It seems to me they have some really fun ideas and they say, hey, this is what we're doing next. And then they start to try to write a plot. for it yeah you know right because x -men you know there are some real passionate nerds about this but like x -men is kind of tough because x -men works best as like a
Speaker: period piece like it's very much like a in its original publication very much a commentary on like 60s civil rights and also very directly magneto is like a holocaust victim and that is like a very big part of and some of the best like most intense like marvel would not do this but like intense scenes in those x -men trilogies are like him as a child at the camp yeah and it works because in in the year 2000 a child in the 1940s
Speaker: is ian mckellen's age in those movies right just like how in the comics like in the 60s and 70s and 80s magneto was just like a regular guy like the age of like a person who was born in like the 30s but now and this is another thing i've seen people talk about that is very tied to Magneto's identity as a character and his viewpoint, but... how do you do that now? Like someone who was a child in the 1940s would be like in their 90s now. I've seen people say like, how do we update that?
Speaker: are they gonna make it where it's like oh the his powers made him age slowly or he's coming from a different universe where it's the 60s there but it's the 2020s here or you know like or are they gonna get rid of it Which would be... controversial or not mention it. So.
Speaker: Yeah, it's quaer going to be interesting. Because the other thing, and and sorry, this is a little bit of a tangent, but like the X -Men don't do well with crossovers of other superheroes. Because X -Men, it's like you are a mutant and like that gives you superpowers, but you're discriminated against. And like that is like you are the underclass of this society. yeah But it's also like, I mean, Spider -Man's...
Speaker: also kind of a mutant like he wasn't born a mutant he got it from a spider bite but no one knows that you know so it's like why is it that's wolverine and he has claws what a freak and this guy is spider -man and he has spider powers and we love him and we you know get enough so it's it's like a little tricky of like okay like how are we gonna yeah
Speaker: Also, I was talking to my friend about this after we watched Spider -Man. Like, it'll be interesting to see how, because the X -Men is pretty political, right? Like, it's a pretty big political statement. and And it'll be interesting to see how, like, Disney does that, because they tend to try to...
Speaker: shoot for an audience of everyone yeah and not really say anything at all which yeah pretty difficult to make a movie like that without saying anything and i think that there's maybe i'm kind of connecting a thought that isn't completely my own but a little bit to what you were both saying even though it was like fun and interesting i could anticipate and maybe i'm developing a critique a little bit of like the combination of gene and spider -man because
Speaker: kind of exactly what you're saying like the thing was they were being like because we're so special we have these special abilities means that we might have to go it alone but we shouldn't be too alone right you know it's kind of the message like you don't have to do it alone you'll feel alone you'll feel ostracized but you don't have to do it alone and it seems that For Spider -Man, the idea was like, oh, stop self -isolating and like go re -meet your friends and kind of like have a life outside of the work. Yeah.
Speaker: For Jean, if they go with what...
Speaker: the x -men is really more about it's being like oh you're being like hunted down by the government which she is like that is like the thing but it's like it's not just about being like special first of all i guess that's like a kind of question mark of like flattening being like we're all like you know it's special um right it's like a very relatable message but if you want to get into specificity of like characters and character arcs it kind of leaves some questions for gene and then i was seeing like tell the bees you know the guy josh guy i'll cite it because he's at least he's where i got this idea he was kind of critiquing a little bit the idea of like what they put in for gene's backstory which is you know like her mom giving up she and her sister to like foster care then her sister gets snatched up and then you know he's kind of pointing out that like It's a bit of a kind of... simple background explanation plot device of being like, oh, abandonment. foster care where
Speaker: that doesn't actually exist in the comics for her backstory she actually has like loving parents. She's just kind of her own person that's maybe a little bit evil and super powerful. Like kind of has other complexities in that way, but like it's not so simply explained or like simply rooted in a past trauma in that way. And so it's kind of similar. Like, I wonder, I'd be interested to see if they, as they kind of develop these.
Speaker: x -men characters how they will try to perhaps sanitize simplify change yeah backgrounds and motives and stuff like that to I mean, potentially it's less political. You know, like I don't mean to be such a dour person and have so little faith in like mega corporation Disney and Marvel. But like, what? Somebody's got to do it. Someone has to question these things. That's very true. It is interesting because it's like, yeah, like a whole big thing of the X -Men is like, I mean, they have like superpower villains, but the real villain like is the government. And it like in every X -Men media, there's like a senator or many who are like, these guys are freaks. Like we got to lock them up. And it's like, yeah. yeah like One, there's the question of how Disney will handle this very real and very thinly veiled political metaphor. But also, too, then it goes into the question of like the lore. It's like, well, in this world, in the MCU world, the superheroes are...
Speaker: everywhere and also more or less like objectively awesome like they saved the day and so how yeah i don't know yeah do you guys think they would ever do like a thing where it's like oh we all met up in doomsday but we the x -men are actually we're going back to our own separate universe and then it's like they do live in a universe without politics junior know or or or ah a universe where they can do politics that doesn't affect like everyone else yeah that would be really interesting but
Speaker: If they're all being discriminated against in their own universe, why would they go back? Right, no, literally, yeah. Perfect. Can you imagine? It's actually hilarious. Like, the Fox X -Men, there is going to be a scene where it's like, oh man, it it sucks, you know, and people throw things at us and hold up signs. And it's like, oh no, we don't get that at all here. Actually, we're beloved. People really like us over here. Like, oh! Oh, well, we're staying. Oh, we're called, like, God's Abomination. Yeah. The government built robots to hunt us down. It's like, oh yeah, none of that. for us like not here you should absolutely do that and then be like we gotta go back that's home God, we can fix it. yeah
Speaker: we're gonna vote and uh just vote just vote oh my god who guess we will simply have to see but it also makes me think of one kind of like sillier thought that i had or not even silly it's kind of nice just the like the new york of this spider -man is so like nice put in the context of the summer that new york
Speaker: I mean, we have... people who are on the scene it's on the ground mom donnie stands i was like this just feels like a very mom donnie stand kind of new york i mean the entire like idea that like it really it has to be someone like possessing these people to like be evil and mean in the first place i was like yeah this is nice and like the end credits also there's something very like romantic and beautiful about the ending sequence you know what i mean yeah that song played and it was like people starting their day in New York that I think was actually Glasgow. Was it really? It was something Glasgow. Wow. Interesting. I definitely felt the New York pride.
Speaker: I was like almost expecting a Mamdani cameo in that movie. Oh, people treat Spider -Man in that movie the way that New Yorkers feel about Zoran. Yes, yes. I was like, they wouldn't. Elon Musk is in... One of the Iron Mans. Come on. Do it. It's only fair that we do it with Zoran. We need him. Just a cameo. Just like show a TV screen in the background of him giving Spider -Man the key to the city. Oh, I guess they probably couldn't because canonically, I think Kingpin is mayor of New York at this time. I actually don't really know. Because in Daredevil, it's like, New York is terrible. They're being raided by the secret police. And in this, it's like, everything's awesome. I'm just sort of like, what timeline? Like, where with the blip and everything? Where did this happen? I will say. this because i didn't see the thunderbolts and i didn't see the black widow movie so this was my first time hearing florence pugh's russian accent okay there you go she's great pretty crazy she was great it was very jarring i like i know that character but like i didn't comprehend when i first saw i'm like oh florence pugh's in this why the hell is she talking like that? That was a fun kind of way to tie things in at the far Rockaway Banya. I'm like, that's fun. Yeah. And that's also, that reminds me that like one thing with the Spider -Man movie in particular, I was like, you know, we're no strangers to Marvel movies, kind of like standalone ones, especially maybe being a little bit like bloated when they have all the different tie -ins and this and that. I think somehow they kind of like made it work. Like it wasn't super distracting. thing to me though maybe it could have been just with like she was there hope was there yeah it was a lot yeah you're right frank was there now we have an x -men i was like they did a decent i mean i'm sorry it's a movie i guess i made it work That distracted me really was the Jean Grave at all because I don't know the X -Men. I honestly forgot that there were so many other characters they brought in until you just said that. Pretty good. Yeah, I agree. I think the Florence Pugh thing was a little jarring at first for me. I was sort of like, why is she in this? But that might have just been because I was just unfamiliar with her, which that movie I hear was really good. I liked it. Thunderbolts? Yeah, I heard that was good. I thought it was probably the best of the new Marvel ones.
Speaker: I thought that Hulk was great because like, yeah, it's sort of like very similar of like I have a mutation in my genes. But I also thought it was funny where it does really represent the divide of like street level superheroes versus like the Hulk. I thought that was hilarious where Frank Castle's like, yeah, I'm going to shoot this thing in the head. And Spider -Man's like that. It doesn't work like that. Like it's like he has to fight back the Hulk while also like keeping Frank alive. Like I thought that was just a great like action set piece. yeah I thought the set pieces were really good. kind of oohing and aahing. I liked when he had that cage match with the hand, the ninjas. That was fun. That was super cool. yeah
Speaker: Yeah, and then, you know, the MJ of it all. I was kind of like, I was like, oh, they're kind of cute. I kind of can't help but... I liked all the Ned stuff, too. It was really cute. I really liked their little friendship. That's a great character. Kind of strange that Peter Parker kissed this, like, canonical, like, a child now instead of MJ. When she, like, inhabited the consciousness. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, this is kind of weird. I was like, why would Jean do that? Like, she didn't have to do that at all. Yeah. That was, like, even in the theater, the reaction of everyone was like... oh my god, when he like has this nice scene with her and kisses her and then it's like, wow, Peter, you really care about her. Like, oh my god, that was pretty insane. It'll never be brought up ever, but there's going to be a weird background moment in Avengers Doomsday where he's like, you didn't have to kiss me like that, though. That was a little too far. That was super mean. I was in a really dark b place. That was like a personal attack. That was terrible. It was very like, oh, Anna, if only there was someone who... loved you like and I was kind of I kind of I i feel like reasonably people would see it coming but I kind of I did yeah it was actually funny to me that the audience I was in
Speaker: There was a big gasp. I was like, y 'all didn't see that coming. It's like, she she's acting pretty weird before this. But it was a great moment. I just was like, well, obviously that's what's happening right now. It really did have me thinking about, I don't know how you guys feel about this. I, probably because this is the first of...
Speaker: i guess our generation so very much liked andrew garfield's spider -man because it's yeahfield
Speaker: of course and kind of was like really feeling that chemistry with him and Emma Stone who played Gwen Stacy and that's all I was just because I like saw the movie and before I went to go see the movie they had like the other Tom Holland Spider -Man's on the one no one home when toby and yes andrew garfield come so i was just thinking about how they really killed gwen stacy and how i saw that in theaters and was actually so distraught completely shocked and completely floored completely upset just in my little teen brain was like they didn't do that yeah rejecting it fully actually insane and like just so upsetting yeah i don't know if you if you caught it but i think they did a little nod to them that in the day brand new day because yeah famously when stacy dies from him like you know webbing her midsection and her neck snaps with this it's like
Speaker: When Zendaya was falling, he kind of did the opposite where he like went to her and grabbed her. And I think that was a very explicit. Because they have they talk about that, right? Andrew Garfield like tells him that that happened to him. yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Because there's also a nod to it in No Way Home, where he saves Zendaya. Oh, yeah. And they did do a fun reference when he has like the organic web shooters to the first Spider -Man, where he's learning how to shoot the web. like When I was a kid, I thought that scene was hilarious. So i him like holding his hand in different positions to try and get it to like go. And how he kept on being like, web, go. Yeah. Or something like that. yeah like They kind of actually kept that bit a little. little bit longer than like mumbling to himself i was like that's funny a little little detail yeah i thought it was a solid movie well now i'm wondering know what's next but right yeah like if they were to make another spider -man movie maybe not even like a solo spider -man movie but like something focusing on spider -man not in like an avengers context is there anything on the table still that you guys want to see like with this character with you tom holland i don't know i mean if it's gonna be like kind of a sap it's like okay well now he's like back in ned and mj's life like let's get that going again but i don't know where the actual like story or plot is you know like for like spider -man specifically let's torture him again i don't know i would have to think about a little bit more Slap him.
Speaker: maybe it's almost so revealing it's not like i like have read the comics that much yeah i don't actually know spider -man yeah yeah something that naturally does come next or there's some cool part of the comics that i just don't know about but the only thing i'm really thinking is like if they did like a live action miles morales that could be good that would yeah i do really want to see yeah yes i would think that'd be really cool they do like another like no way home where it's like toby andrew and tom holland olo and spider pig of course right oh my god of course yeah did you guys watch spider noir
Speaker: the nicholas cage show no i completely forgot about that was it good yeah i liked it like i've never really seen any of the marvel shows or anything but nicholas cage is i think he's awesome and i just like the idea of that like the gimmick of like a 1930s spider -man because i think it works well you know and new york still has an iconic skyline in the 30s and as a you know photographer detective like it goes together well it was fun i had a lot of fun with it
Speaker: Yeah, those Marvel shows, they they missed me. and I think I tried. I tried with WandaVision. Yeah. And I actually liked WandaVision. After that. I've actually, I've seen a couple of them. I watched WandaVision. I watched Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Oh, and that's one that pissed me off when kind of I stopped. But then I watched, and I mentioned this before, but I watched Loki and I really liked Loki actually. I hear Loki's good. The second season is better than and the first. And the first is like pretty solid, but the second one actually I think is good. What was so tough about Falcon and the Winter Soldier?
Speaker: stupid yeah and really what what bigger crime is there than just stupid i think they were just fumbling around a little bit too much with yeah story and the actual message because it's trying to be political very kind of like interesting centrist weird yeah as you kind of would expect it's like they talk about the politics of like post snap all these people like returning which makes which sounds really interesting it's such an interesting like thought process i don't know
Speaker: then they really the people who are making sense they make them the villains and then they're like and obviously these people are blowing stuff up and they're killing and they're evil and they're like look young one you might have a good point but you're going about it the wrong way like classic someone like very well diagnosed if you want to know who the villain in the marvel movie is going to be it's the person who has a problem with society because they're always they diagnose an accurate problem with the world and then they're like my solution Kill everyone. That's the way to do it. That's silly positioning. That one is like really the worst example of a really good political problem. And then they just do the worst possible thing with it. I feel like they they did a good job with like keeping Jean Grey from being, you know. She just wanted to get to her sister. She had a goal. Well, I think an episode that makes. Thank you so much for joining us, Jay. Thank you guys for having me. This was awesome. It was so fun. Second guest on Fixated. Yes. and You know what? You should be on it again, dear. Honestly, you had any Bridget, you had me.
Speaker: When Bridget moves to New York, you guys, let's get a roundtable going. Oh, my God. That would be awesome. We could have a panel. Huge brains. Yay. um I don't know if there's like any like resounding message from this episode. Do you have a thesis statement to give us, Jay?
Speaker: but Yeah, like, put Daredevil in Doomsday. Like, put him in. Daredevil in Doomsday. yeah I agree with that. Get him in there.
Speaker: you guys see the meme that's been going around where there's just some like piece of like marvel comic art and it's like all the heroes kind of like jumping towards thanos and if the leader is daredevil and people are like bro daredevil you're gonna get killed like get out of there man like daredevil's taking down dr doom with his way and he's got it put dr doom in a hallway he's not walking out of there ah all right awesome this was our episode follow us on all the socials see you soon two weeks. Bye!
