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Slave Owners Will Become Slaves
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A mind bending coversation that comes full circle. A special thank you to Mary Anne for helping us out with the intro.
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Childhood Innocence and Public Entertainment
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When I take a shower, water rolls down my body. Tiny waterfalls form on my skin, like cliff edges on a jungle mountain. I stand head first under the mighty spigot.
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My head craves this contact. I lean back, eyes closed tight. I open my mouth. It hits my tongue. My cheeks provide containment, but it's only temporary.
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I spew it onto my foot. I laugh. I'm a child again, playful and curious. I want to see pee come out of my body now. I laugh and say, no, Marianne, but I can't stop it.
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It feels so good running down my leg. I laugh and say out loud, how's that for a waterfall, motherfucker? Marianne be a peeing little hoe.
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Damn, Mary Ann, huh? Is that AI or did you actually record that person? Was that was that a live person as you're fighting against AI? No, I met her in the park.
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I said, you want to do a bit? Yeah. I don't know. That'd be great if, you know, everybody had your kindred spirit for entertaining and taking risks and you could just walk up someone and be like, I got a great idea for a bit. You'd be perfect for it and they were just like, yeah, let's go.
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it'd be like ah running into Chris and wig, like hot and completely a weirdo. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. In the park. Mm-hmm. Be great.
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So how you doing, man? Back in Rica, back in your bum-ass apartment, worse than the extended stay. i got I got so much done this morning, like just running errands. I don't know if I if i get the gratification, but, you know, like buying food, cleaning, um going to the bank, depositing money, getting getting something for the dogs, fleas.
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I got all that done today. Let the dogs run out of the park. Got new new wooden coat hangers trying to get plastic out of the house. Go ahead and call me Gabe for that, Lance. Go ahead. I just think it's great that you want to share all that on an entertainment show.
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I just think it's great. I'm kind of nervous about the topic, so I'm just rambling.
The Relevance of Music: Old vs. New
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I'm just kidding. I think we should mention, ah we i did we did run into some POS fans.
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Marty and Doug. Yep. You sons of bitches. It was great to see them. I knew, you know, we know Marty's on board, and we know Marty's one of two. We might lose the other one. I think she's flying to China tomorrow, so she's probably off. She probably can't listen to us for like three years. We're banned in China, don't you think?
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Maybe not. I do enough ah ripping on MAGA. China gives a shit about our show. China's like, let it in let it infest our population. Rally against America.
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Yeah. but i But the idea, i played it for Lance. One of our listeners, Doug, had took issue with Lance's take that like older bands like the Rolling Stones and shit should retire to leave to make way for younger bands.
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And i I don't remember his exact point, but I think he's i believe i think he's right. i He's like, well, it's not like ah the Rolling Stones quit. Some younger band's going to play fucking football stadium. Yeah. he said the Internet's wide open and, you know, it's a democracy if you're good.
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I think that was his take. I agree with that. He did say he generally agrees with most of what you say, which ah which that pissed me off. Oh, at shit. So he pissed us both off. So let's ban him, dude. Find his IP address.
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He criticized your take and then agreed with you. So fuck them. m We need 100% commitment from all listeners on this show if if if we're going to accept you as a listener.
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Right. You just sit there and like, yeah, good point. Wow, that was funny. Yeah, sweet. Yeah, I don't remember what I said in that. I was mostly lamenting the idea that people continue to spend their money on these old boys. And I just don't hear a lot of people...
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you know, bringing up a new band. Now that could be just our generation. We're just stuck on sort of stuff we grew up with in our 20s. But I even hear young people like my son, he's out, he's listening to shit I listen to. And I'm just like, okay.
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I don't remember doing that as much when when i when I was younger, but you know, hey, it's a bum take. My bad, Doug. I think you two actually agree more than me because he's he is actually actively seeking new music. He's always talking about these bands and I'm like,
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Are they better than the Allman Brothers? No, Doug. And they're never going to be. So why why do I need new music? so I will say, went and saw the Allman Brothers, dude. It was fucking boring.
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You went and saw them? I saw them in the, I'd say, late 90s. Yeah, late 90s, a bunch of fucking doodling. I wasn't into it at the time. was just, you know, the piano was just, and then everything was just. Did you find them at least to be talented?
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Of course, of course, but it wasn't what I was into. Your criticism wasn't the the jam nature of it you just didn't think they were good?
AI and its Impact on Music and Society
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That pussy can't play guitar.
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Only band I've heard about that's new, that's rising, and people are saying they're an AI band now or some some controversy, but is is Geese. Never heard of them.
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Actually, Marty, ah I mean, I'm like, what are you guys talking about? that Marty, when Doug was saying that, said something like... Yeah, with all these new AI bands out there. And I was like, what are you talking about? Is that a thing? Like the the like people are launching bands that are AI generated?
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Maybe that sounds naive, but is it like they're actually being marketed or people are just like, hey, look, we can make a band that sounds like Pearl Jam or something? i haven't heard of that. I have not heard of that. My f friend Tom, you know him.
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yeah e He sent me something. Flea has a new album. from From Red Hot Chili Peppers? No, his own album. I know, but that flea. Yeah, that flea. Yeah, there's no there's only one flea, bro. it' This attractive Latina lady's on there with some bird white bird on her shoulder.
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I don't know, dude. I'll have to check it out. I haven't checked it out yet. He loves it, though. We'll give him a shout-out, too. Is that AI you're saying? is that like No, there's just some new music that's coming out. I said I know nothing about AI bands. never heard of an AI band. I did. I pissed off a guy i worked with who was into AI early, and he was like sort of my boss at the point at that point. And he sent this AI song, and he thought it was really cool. and i was like, dude, i just I don't know why. I was just like, this is effing horrible.
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This is horrible. He did not like that comment. It's a risky thing to be like, hey, check this out. and Inevitably, and almost never, the person's like, yeah. um I mean, if someone recommends anything to me, I'm like, ah that's horrible.
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there I just thought it was going to be a laugh it was going to be a good laugh, right? Because he was he just, like, AI created it. He didn't recreate it. And I thought it'd be a good good laugh for everybody to make fun of AI. But nope.
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He took personal ownership of that fucker. He took personal ownership. It's
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bad. I've been watching stuff about AI. i recommended something to you last night that I watched it on the plane. you watch that, we can talk about it. but I think it's called How I Became Apoc- I don't know what it actually is, but it's it's the combination of apocalypse and Doctor, I thought.
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now No, no, no. Jeez. Apothecary? Jet lag. No, it's a positive. Optimist. The the combination of apocalyps like being like AI is the apocalypse and an optimist about... Apocaloptimist?
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Apocalyptimist? Apocalyptimist, which is probably where a lot of people are now. I feel better. I was probably apo Apocalypse before I watched that documentary.
Understanding Slavery Through Historical Context
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Available on Prime and on United Sites.
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But they have, you know, some people are like, well, it's within 10 years, we we should have all disease eradicated. Shit like that. Okay. Okay. Wow. So anyways, you should watch it.
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Yeah. I'm moving more towards a wait and see approach. it's it's It's gotten boring to talk about because now everybody's talking about it. I was three years ahead of it. I want to talk with you about it back when this. Yeah, but you should consider it.
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I think a lot of the people are like literally saying we need more people like you, which is like sounding the horn for regulation because it's like it's going to take a lot of public pressure to get people to be like, oh, yeah, we got to put rails on this. And so you should feel good that everyone's talking about it.
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OK, you're part of the movement. yeah okay good good yeah so so that's the future yeah i've also been listening to it a lot of history shit uh and and i just listened to a a really long one about the civil war it's awesome this guy i like i mean i i like listen to lex lex i think it's lex uh friedman yeah yeah and uh i I had this conversation my kids.
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It's like, could you have slaves? And everyone's like, nah, fuck, no. Immediately, no. but So it's like, okay, so we're special because throughout all of history, everyone has had slaves. Even like poor people. Even Africans had slaves. like And yet we are so right, it's like we couldn't even think about it. Yet if we were put in those times, there's no doubt we could have slaves, right?
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You, Lance, you could have a slave, right? Well, first, I think it's a decent conversation. i Admit it. let's Let's first acknowledge that civil society can evolve and that we can be more compassionate, partly because we have access to more scarce resources. I think that that allows you to um not take direct advantage of human beings as much as we used to in the past. But to your question, look, there's no way to prove the counterfactual, but I guarantee if we're in the same income class as we are in this modern era, we would have had some slaves.
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I might've been a slave cause I was part Indian. Oh yeah, here we go. Yeah. Here we go. check Even slaves, ah even Indians had slaves. Oh, well, yeah, yeah. I mean, women were slaves, essentially.
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Children were too for big part of our history. But I don't i laugh at people. i don't know who, maybe maybe the internet has enhanced people's ability to have self-awareness. Maybe it's destroyed it. I don't know. But I do, I really laugh at people that think that in the historical time that they're gonna go so far away from the current herd or the current trend and do something radically different.
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Probably not. Even in Germany during- That's what I was about to say. Yeah. It's really hard. Sometimes you get killed for that. Sometimes you're ostracized from your community. It would be tough. It'd be tough. One thing I wouldn't have done is burn those witches at Salem, bro, because I would have rather held them in a chamber for hitting, hitting, and hitting.
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That's a wasted trim in your eyes, huh? Exactly. Exactly. um Yeah, no, you're not, it's like you're not doing it now. Not you, but the person who's like, I would, first of all, I would have, I would have rebelled against all Nazi doctrine. Okay, so you would have been like, all right, kill me then, or torture me. And then it's like, you're not doing it now. No one's like going against the norm now. Everyone's kind of take it, take it as it is, you know?
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So why would, but it's crazy if you, if you look at history, it's, it's the worst. Like human history is basically war, slavery and oppression is like our, the whole human history everywhere across the world. Not just like Europeans, not just Asians, you know, it's treacherous.
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It's ugly. I mean, you just look at a ah Africa now and obviously it's not hitting mainstream news like it used to, but constant tribal wars. It's nasty. yeah It's the worst human to human violence you know you can see. And we we all did it. I mean, all whatever race you are, wherever your origins are.
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Yeah, I agree. We all did it. And just like today, you're not going to unless you're a freak, you're not goingnna run out and be like, I'd have slaves right now if I could. um You're not going to do that because the larger populace is is not going to be into that. And the pressure, the social pressure is there for you to not act like that unless you want clickbait bullshit online. But yeah, dude, I'm with you.
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I like that though, be the guy that but like the guy that's like, come on, I'm public with this. I would have slaves because I know. There's so much of that yeah on the internet.
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it It plays a little bit into the AI,
The Evolution of Societal Norms and Labor Dynamics
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like there's a shift coming probably. Whether it's the end of the world or not, but there's a pretty big shift coming. It'll be like... Uh, you know, they- if it we we could become slaves or they could become the slaves or they could do all our workforce depending on how it's managed and like nobody- it's like why why can't it just stop?
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Right? Like why can't it just stop? It takes like a pretty big act, a war, to just stop because it's like seen as progress. Same with slavery. It's like why why didn't it ever just stop until there was like this major event? So we are- we are going- like mankind just can't stop. It's pretty hard.
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So there will be a big shift coming soon. Yeah, dude, we are sick. We're sick. We're sick. We're twisted. Make a case for slavery, though. I can i can make a case for it. Economically, i think I could.
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Morally too. I'm just kidding. It seems obvious economically. Free labor seems pretty good. But I wonder, I i would i would think that this case was strong back in the South in the 1700s, 1800s, is that even if they were free, they would struggle and they'd have a horrible life and I can keep them safe, keep them productive, and it's going to be a happier life for them because I can protect them.
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Yeah, and that that's the the good slave. Well, I think it it um isn't most of it's predicated on what's in the Bible is in the Old Testament. It's part of human human nature, human history. Yeah, I don't know. I think it it's a disgusting part of our history.
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there's like There's different levels of, so you know, like a slave. Because I think if you hear some people like talking about human trafficking and stuff, where there's more slaves, people enslaved right now than any time in human history. Probably because there's just more people in the world, you know. Like at the time of the Civil War, there was 30 million Americans. There's 350 million now So in the world that was maybe back then, you know, I don't know at the time that the 400 years of Slave trade in the US the whole world might it might not even been a billion people But there's different types of like I mean, I was listening to another horrible story about like young boys and girls that they were in that are in Haiti that are like chained to a wall in a room to be sold for sex like 20 20 or can't get this out so ridiculous why is it so funny i mean it's just too brutal it's not funny it's just it's just uh like
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I don't know if we can't we're gonna have a bit of a lighthearted conversation about slavery like and mock people and say they can never have them but this is like the most horrible thing you could ever think of I know I know so like a 12 year old girl chained to the wall to be sold for sex 20 to 30 times a day so she's a slave we don't think of that we think of like You know, yeah, a black person who whose ancestors or that person was shoved in a boat came over from Africa and we're like doing manual labor for 14 hours a day So i don't know I hate to say but it seems like there's a bit of a difference It might sound like a white bigoted terrible thing, but like so I would say i don't think I could ever ever I might even die before I would accept the the first example
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I don't like I say, oh, fuck. People that say they can't have slaves. I couldn't. I can't. Maybe that's because i have a daughter or maybe it's just because I have a brain. But I can't even imagine that now labor.
00:17:04
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Like we all feel like a slave, which also sounds ridiculous. Well, we hold on, because yeah, ah civil, like I said at the beginning, civil society can evolve. I don't think you could accept in the current era.
00:17:15
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not paying somebody for their services and and entrapping them essentially in that life. Are you a better person for giving them, let's say eight bucks an hour, giving them a a wage that's less than livable?
00:17:28
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Are you essentially the same as the slave holder? It's potentially a conversation, but I mean, I think people would argue there's a broader marketplace that defines what's fair. And that that is exactly what it is. Now, you you know if you are somebody who thinks beyond a third grader, you might go, hmm, if I'm hoarding all the profits of my small business and ah having a wonderful lifestyle while the person that works for me is... yeah destitute that that's morally a problem and you're a piece of shit essentially if you don't rectify that raise their wages and we we we tend to like i i do anyways equate slave owning with this violent horrible oppressive thing which it might like there's probably there probably you probably have to be that like a horrible person just to keep keep things in order there has to be the threat of of consequence and
00:18:23
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Right? Yeah, if, I don't know, we're sounding really, really limited here for, it but let's just break it down, for example. So the example of,
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If we were thrown in history, would we have potentially been slave owners? The answer is yes. I don't think we would have had been socialized in sort of a transcendent, futuristic thinking to have prevented that from happening.
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um We may have transitioned out of it like other people did and and been at least smart enough to do that, but that would have been the case. Today, obviously no, we wouldn't have slaves.
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The whole thing about the girl tied up on a wall, that to me, What human being does that to another human being like that? I still can't wrap my head around. This is not an abnormal thing either.
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Like now this may be liberal Lance, you know, college educated Lance talking. But like if I were doing that day to day, the pistol would be up in my fucking mouth and I would explode my brains because I couldn't live. I couldn't even eat food.
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Wow. If you're the oppressor, you mean, or the girl? yeah but While I'm chaining that little girl to the fucking wall. Like, how do you go about and eat food and enjoy the soup in front of you? That's really fucking weird for me. Now, you could say that person was raised in a savage society, and that's probably all true. i just so That's just so unrelatable. I don't even know how you would get there. i don't know how you get to that level of darkness.
00:19:52
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Maybe that's the devil that they talk about, dude. I don't fucking know. that's That is extreme. Yeah. I mean, there's another story I listened to, but it it was what's crazy is like a lot of the people doing it are women. Hey, no God.
00:20:04
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The demand is pretty high from, from like rich Americans and like, well, yeah. White people. from the whites, huh? Well, all over the place. But yeah, like, like there's this guy, this guy I was listening to was talking about. There was like people like Colombians that were trying to build a resort based around this. And so he represented like a rich investor and went down there they ended up like busting these people. But they were like, he was like, you know, I think we could like, yeah, it was basically like fly people in then you parade out a bunch of young kids market as virgins. And I mean it's really bad, i want to get into it, there's, it's pretty bad to listen to, but like, that's, that's like another level. But I, but I doubt if I asked the slave in 1830 they might be like, well fuck you if you think that this is like a a step above anything else, you know.
00:20:53
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, well do you have... you're good to You're not going to say yes, but do you have a sadistic bone in you like that? like ah Do you look at other humans? And can you... like can I just, in any way, take advantage. like I think I'm a real softy when it comes to being able to take advantage others.
00:21:14
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Even the waitress at the restaurant. I'm i'm just not capable. No, i have a hard I have a pretty hard time with it. I mean... I even had like, i mean, you could say, so a lot of people here have muchachas, they're called like maids, and they're they're making like no money, four, five hundred, six hundred bucks a month.
00:21:32
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mean, with food and they hang out and they become like part of your family. But I have a hard time. We had one for a while when I was still together. My wife. And I would have a hard time being like, here, wash my clothes. I'd be like doing my own laundry. like I couldn't do it. just Just bitch at someone and I'd watch my wife do it and I'd be like, Jesus, what is wrong with you? But it was like a normal thing. I mean, she was nice, but it'd be like, it'd be like the person just has to do whatever you tell them.
00:21:56
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And and they looked they they needed that, though. They needed that that work. Yeah, they were like referred their sister to a you know to us for my mother-in-law. And they were pretty happy. I mean, the girl was like friends with my kids, friends with us. we When we went to the beach, she came with us and lived down there. And like her parents were making fun of her that she's like hit jackpot and stuff.
00:22:16
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These are like Nicaraguans that come over here and have have a pretty hard time. But even that, I'm like, this is almost... slavery yeah but but they were like free like she would go home and do whatever she wants not we didn't have like control over she could also quit where a slave can't quit yeah yeah but you felt like she was underpaid yeah but i also couldn't have really paid more know i don't i mean that's debatable i guess you could but well you could have done this matt you didn't need your fresh corduroy shorts did you
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Yeah, but you weren't. yeah That's fine. I mean, that's part of the
Portrayal of Slavery in History and Culture
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culture there. And that and she actually needed that work. But you weren't exploiting her beyond what was you know culturally appropriate. You weren't like, you know, come wipe wipe my butt.
00:23:02
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no my butt No, no, no. ah its It's a real job slotted in a salary level by the government. Like regulated. okay Which is kind of fucked up because no one will pay more. So it's like that left wing bullshit.
00:23:17
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where that Where you get like overly so socialist and then no one has a no one has a reason to pay more. Once you once you so strip the capitalism out of it, you can just fuck people.
00:23:29
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Yeah, great. That's right. What's with, I've not heard of many white slaves. Did you where you, when you watched this, were there any examples of um fair-skinned people being chained up?
00:23:42
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I think in the Roman Empire, you were if if you were conquered, you were either put in the military or you'd become a slave. like you I don't know how historically accurate gladiator is and shit like that, but I think there there were white slaves.
00:23:55
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Like depending, but but then becoming a, in the Roman Empire, it seemed like you could work your way out of it, you know? So, but there's different there's different classes. the one the The reason why i one of the reasons that triggered this conversation is is when you're, at least I felt like when where I grew up, like when I was going to elementary school, it felt like, especially when I lived in New Jersey, it was like the North was kind of like the good guys and the South were like the slaveholders.
00:24:23
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And the whole fucking country was just... No one gave a shit about the slaves that much. it was more like a power a power thing. So there was a yeah there was like... Out of the whole country, there was like a couple million abolitionists. And everyone else like didn't give a shit.
00:24:37
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Right. And so, and so yeah. They were racist. and And so the North was also... Like, have you ever been to Boston? It's like the most racist place and on Earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's just like...
00:24:49
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you know you have this ah this idea or even even like our you know George Washington all like our first four presidents Virginia was like the most powerful place in the in the union and so all our presidents were like slave holders from Virginia because they they carried so much power and financial clout and political clout and obviously they wrote pretty impressive things and and a lot of societies are based on the declaration of independence but you know they were slave holders Yeah, buddy, they were. They were fucking complex. And you to sit here and say you wouldn't have.
00:25:25
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Here's what I'd like to do. So some of these little neo-Nazi fuckers of this era, I'd like to run a trial run. is that Is that coming back? Oh, big time. I mean, it seemed like we're in high school. There was a little bit. I think we've already talked about this, but there was like those little groups running around having protests and shit. Fucking with Geraldo.
00:25:44
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Yeah, they weren't. They weren't as blatant as like these groups like Patriot Front and some some these are some other bullshit groups who wear masks. Like Charlie Kirk bullshit. or Yeah.
00:25:55
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Worse or different. Worse, probably worse. But, you know, it'd be nice to see them in a slave relationship, like as a slave, just to see if they could handle it. And then they could talk their shit. So a year in actual slavery for you to spout off this racist bullshit that you talk. Let's see if you could handle it. You will fold.
00:26:17
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You'll fold. Couldn't handle two weeks in that. You'd be exposed as the pussies you are. We should all do it. and don't know how you do but like what I wonder if I would, like what would I do?
00:26:29
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If I was in Arkansas, it's 110 degrees and I'm fucking picking cotton. Yeah, dude, you couldn't handle it. That's why when I see the immigrants that come over to do farm work, these are some of the toughest motherfuckers on the planet.
00:26:42
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And when I see those people swimming across from Morocco to Spain to try to get a better life, these are some of the most desperate people singularly focused mfs on the planet and if you really wanted to exploit them in a modern way you could put them to work let a man right pay him a good ass wage and let your economy flourish there ain't no white boys doing that stuff the ones that are fucking hard asses the the few that are left there's i don't know many of them i think they're probably more in the sort of farm management side of things but
00:27:15
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ah Yeah, dude, i ah all these shit talkers, go do some of that stuff and earn your right to talk shit about it. I think some of the people that close to it probably would acknowledge it. Because i' we deal with some rural people now with the with the wood business, just like we're doing. the The thing is, there are like these hard-ass white boys that are pretty assertive and will jump in, but they just have such better resources. So they're doing it with Yeah.
00:27:42
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truck and but they but you know but uh yeah i mean the adversity makes us stronger and that's just those are just lives of never-ending emotional and physical adversity so what's going to happen yeah i'm not talking about hard-working white people either coal miner types these are those are some tough dudes uh even though ah oil and gas guys that are out there cranking on whatever you call the Are they barges? I don't know what they're called. Those rigs.
00:28:10
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Yeah, those rigs. I'm talking about the keyboard warriors, the the people that go do sort of these racist protests, they're gun-toting, just classic pieces of shit. And not in a good way, like the title of the show, just like,
00:28:25
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We need to put a chain around you, bro. Maybe chain you to the wall and and replace that 12-year-old girl with you for the guys that like booty-busting fat pieces of dog shit. Well, they most likely would like it.
00:28:38
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than me but Am I being too hardcore here? am might I mean, there's a frustration. If you're going to spout off really sadistic, racist-type crazy stuff, dude, you better be you know you better be game to get booty blasted in Haiti.
00:28:55
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Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, uh, even the, I don't know. It's just weird. The whole thing, like the, the maid, the maid thing wasn't like labor, but just the idea, like you're always, you're always on and you're like doing it to survive. And then you're doing like physical labor.
00:29:11
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Yeah. I mean, i don't think anyone can do it. Especially all these people that are... It's it's like ah it's almost like an attack on your freedom, which is what all these idiots are always talking about, right?
00:29:23
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So like if you're if you're in that situation, or the guy who had to immigrate here, he has no no time to be free. He's just like doing whatever the hell he but he can.
00:29:34
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Well, it's just it's just we don't have enough people here with a connection to desperate situations to appreciate what's happening on the immigration front. We just have a bunch of idiots that create their own desperation either through drug use or... Yeah, yeah. yeah But we create our own...
00:29:53
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But I mean, I think the era of the Great Depression or even just when you know people were willing to sign up for World War II, to we were fighting for existential moral causes. Yeah.
00:30:04
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he You got, I think, the best of humanity in some of that, at least the perception was you did. Now you got and MF spouting off all kinds of crazy stuff. And they're not people that have sacrificed.
00:30:17
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That's the end of the statement. They're not people. Well, yeah, well, they just haven't they haven't done anything to justify those strong opinions. I'd just be curious, and this is kind of a segue, because I am curious about, like would you be able to move towards sort of a internal hate for your fellow Americans where there was participation in a civil war on your part? And what would that mean? Because there's some movies that have come out about this stuff, and I'm curious, like how do you get to that place?
00:30:46
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Which side? It doesn't matter. I'm just like, i don't know. The sides, presumably the sides would be one, like if we're heading down the trajectory we are, and I'm going to try not to be biased, but you either have an autocratic, corrupt Republican side that takes care of its own, or you have a socialist strips away freedoms, core freedom side with some moral justification.
00:31:12
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The guy in the civil war thing, because the Lex was kind of asking him about, are we in sort of a so similar situation he was like we are kind of like as a country it's like 1853 where like the the sides are starting to like push apart like you know where there's going to be like where it's just get there's more divide now like there was in the 1850s as which will lead up to the civil war and what are the core what are the core divisions defined by there's some some similar something i said or it did it sounds like what you're saying yeah generally
00:31:45
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They didn't go into that too much because it was it was heavily focused on civil war. like I can imagine. Go ahead. No, it's just more like the country seems like it's becoming more divided. And it seems like it's at a heightened. like it's always There's always that, but it seems like it's just getting more and more.
00:32:02
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Which kind of makes sense. Every 150 years is probably a reset or something fucked up is going to happen. Yeah, but what what would get you to pick up a gun and actually fight? And that's what I try to think about sometimes.
00:32:14
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this is that this That was what a lot of this thing was about because no one really had a... cut like Considering that most of the North didn't give a fuck about... you know They weren't like fighting for civil rights or anything.
00:32:26
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It was like, what... what was why did these people even fight or why did the south be like we should secede you know but uh so it was like why are these people fighting and supposedly a lot of it was just like people believed in so much what the revolution was about and that the if you broke up the union would just be another mess and so like people like no we have to preserve the union meaning all the states from the south or north like we need to preserve that And so and then the cut you know the end because that you need that you need the continent unified or it would just be it'd be like South America or places that have all these problems Which is pretty cool But you know you would like to be oh they're fighting for the freedom ah of these enslaved people But for most people that wasn't really yeah, they were someone were only because of the political power or like in financial power it provided
00:33:15
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yeah But I mean, we've talked about that before. what would What would cause, what would get me involved? It's almost like you're asking me again, what would get me involved? Well, no, I mean, yeah. What would motivate you to fight to the death kind of deal? like or at least to you know build drones in a basement they didn't have a the north didn't have a draft the south did it's like why why you're like when you're asking why would you fight i mean for me it's like because i got drafted but what would yeah what would me take personal action right yeah uh i don't think you know i don't think any of us know i think it's a series of escalating events i can't even fathom like like i can't you have anything probably have to deal with the kids right
00:34:03
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Um, like if someone said all 12 year old girls have to be chained up or whatever, like would you like a time to fight? It'd be something of outlandish like that. Well, it would be more, I don't know, it would be more of the situation with ICE where they were running increasingly wild and they were taking advantage of citizens and shooting citizens at will.
00:34:27
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And the government represented really a subset of society's desires. And whoever those people were would be on one side and then the people fighting the power would be on the other. I could see that.
00:34:38
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you know if if trump For example, if Trump and his family decided not to leave office and his core contingent were willing to pick up arms, i mean, they're pretty militant already. like They'll death threat anybody that says something bad about him or goes against him. So like that if that contingent of MAGA were to pick up arms,
00:34:58
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And um really support any sort of debauchery that this guy was willing to do or his family that could cause a civil war. So I could see participating in a fight against that.
00:35:08
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And I'm sure right well rightw wing people can see it. If you get Momdani type in there and all of a sudden it's a complete mandate that. You have to abide by these new climate change rules, which means turn in your big diesel truck and turn in all your trucks because we're going little Japanese electric or something. that Or take your guns. i mean, that would cause those people to lose their goddamn mind. then you think they want it?
00:35:31
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like they This is like what they're living for? Exactly. They want it. Some of these guys do. They'll stock about 100 AR-15s. Some of these people do. They're desperate for it. yeah gives their life some meaning or they can justify that it's in the bible somewhere this is end times and i'm participating in end times even though if you read that shit lot of christians are killed in that story many many christians god kills them we're just living such a boring time like it's these people are born in the wrong time they they want this constant tension and war and everything but in the u.s there's just like nothing going on unless you create it yourself so they but they want it
00:36:07
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They want it. they did They're desperate for it. And we live too long. You know, if we were in the plague era and in yeah Europe... we would We would be like eight ancient wise men, right? If we were this old.
00:36:18
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This podcast would be huge back then. Two 50-year-olds. We're like Moses. 50 years old. Yeah. I mean, I can't think anything that would be like, all right, I'm going to go fight. but But maybe if the extension of what you're saying was like...
00:36:35
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well the the you know on our side of it was like this regime was like we like my my son got drafted to fight for a cause that was just uh uh we'll say trump but it could be anyone like a ah cause not ah not an american cause like a cause specific to an ideology you know that would suck like i mean i can't you know it's kind of sad to think about but like if a german in the world war ii was like not you know, not really supportive of, of the Nazi political party. And then their kid had to go fight.
00:37:06
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That would be terrible, you know? And that's not like all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Of course I can't, I can't, I know a lot of Germans, not even in a bad way that like the country was so screwed after the treaty of Versailles. Like they were like looking for a leader who would, who would help them. So they, you know, like they were, they believed in Hitler. Didn't maybe didn't know about all the bad shit.
00:37:25
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But not everyone agrees with any politician ever. So it had to be a huge population of Germans that didn't agree with him, right? Well, he was psycho. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure people wanted the economy stable. It's very similar to DJT. I'm not comparing him to Hitler in terms of that. A lot of what he says is crazy. It's fucking bad shit stuff.
00:37:48
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But yeah people like, well, you can make the economy better. Great. Okay, cool, man. I just don't, from what I'm listening to, i don't think we'll have, it I don't think it'll matter whether I'm gonna fight or not. Like, there'll be a, there'll be a, there's probably gonna be something weird where there'll be a ah power developing in our lifetime, and maybe, like, before we're, like, 55, where it's tied to the new, these developing technologies, and it could be a,
00:38:14
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ah political like geo like a so like a country power it could be a um you know one of these companies but at that point like human humans fighting our warriors are is like it's already obsolete yeah that's a good point and i was just thinking about that recently You may not even have to challenge your psyche to do that, which is funny, right? Because Pete Hegsest running around like trying to feed his troops testosterone and talking about getting rid of woke pussy shit out of the military. And it's like every other country has already figured out that advanced technology and drone technology can do so much more than a bunch of. you know, flesh fuckers running around with guns, even if they can bench 350 or whatever. That toughness is is useless. So the future is going to be these small technologies that can infiltrate and disrupt.
00:39:05
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So we don't ever have to fight. But I would say there are causes I would fight for. I would fight if... You know, the government starts to just walk around in broad daylight. I mean, I i guess if I were taken to one of these detention camps, which I understand are purposely trying to get these people to be miserable.
00:39:23
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Some some really, you know, really ah diabolical stories, dude, about what's happening in these immigration detention camps. And ah if if I were taken to one, I might get more militant.
00:39:36
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But seeing that I sit behind this keyboard and this screen talking to you, I'm not quite there yet. Well, yeah. This is like a the exact opposite of what you're saying and believing probably. But like maybe we got a little glimpse of what's what's possible. I think we we might agree that it was for good reasons. But in the in the pandemic with like the mandate of vaccination, I'm more worried about that. Maybe it's a little sci-fi, but like...
00:40:05
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what you know With the technology developing, the government mandates that you need a brain scan to get in their social security system or something like that. That kind of weird shit is what's probably coming, and that kind of freaks me out a little bit. I know there's like those weird Christian cults talk about the chip and yeah and all that kind of shit. but That's Bill Gates.
00:40:24
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The vaccine was injecting like some sort of technology. just I've been hearing about the chip for years. like Actually, I know, you know who told me about it once. i i'll tell I'll tell you air in an encounter. But yeah, but we're all like we're on an individual level, like the people that think that the government wants to surveil them.
00:40:45
Speaker
Like, dude, you're nobody. You're what do you do? You um I don't know. You make PowerPoints. Nobody wants to surveil you and and know your Pornhub history. Well, but that might be the thing that drives the masses to rally, like to a level where it's like a revolt.
00:41:01
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It might create madness like the pandemic did, which I mean, all of you anti-vaxxers were just losing your fucking minds. losing your minds but that's just an idea like oh this is a pretty big deal where where there our freedom our our ability to make a choice was taken away and that's what got all these right-wing people fired up well i i felt like we needed to do something uh back then but if something rolled out like that which was not good for humanity That would that might get a lot of people like really fired up especially like freedom and that might actually rally people that are not that are not like gun-toting freedom idiots But like people are like, oh, we're gonna be completely under control yeah There are some uniting things that are happening right now. So I think the arrows are moving towards billionaires, towards data centers right now, and towards this AI thing that nobody really wants.
00:41:55
Speaker
Nobody feels like they debt they really need. by By nobody, I mean everyday people. you know Sure, they like to use it to make memes or whatever, but nobody's like, oh my God, give this to me or humanity will die. It's like, why can't we stop? why There's no reason to say we can't. but Yeah. Yeah. So right and left are coming together for that.
00:42:13
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Yeah. And and i don't know they're coming together. the last two months, and maybe it's just that I've woken up, but like every every time I turn on TV in the US, there's a story about someone pissed about data centers, for example. Yeah.
00:42:24
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And there is this feeling that the tech overlords just decide what society should be and they're subjecting us all to this and none of us really want it. So I think that's been an emerging anger.
00:42:37
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You gotta watch that thing. Like, I watch the... I don't know if it makes gives you peace or more so makes you more scared, but watching that documentary I'm talking about where they had the four four main dudes on there.
00:42:50
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And the fact that they're kind of like... They're not like straight up, we don't know what's gonna happen, but they're all like... four main who? i AI dudes? yeah yeah they aren yeah what sam whatever his name is uh yeah uh those guys yeah but they're all like i've been watching the interview him i wasn't like these are evil monsters at all they they were like normal dudes they're strict they're not normal They're strategic in how they present themselves, but I wouldn't call it They're different than me, but they just seem like any other engineering geek that i that I've dealt with over the years.
00:43:22
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But they're all like, yeah, they all are acting knowing that what they're doing could could end humanity, which is crazy. So so it's like why wouldn't you just turn it off? Why wouldn't anyone just knowing that but it's all like no, but we're just gonna try to make it work It's kind of that's pretty fucking crazy But I don't know what what my point was there, but uh Yeah, I don't know like that that'll probably rally people in a good way like all the huge events in history are are basically like at some point people's rights were taken away to a point that made them revolt
00:43:55
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whether it was like slavery or or or the church or the you know, like so every everything comes down to that. Our monarchy overstepping their bounds or a colony breaking off. Like that's really what it comes down to. So we'll see if that happens again.
00:44:09
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Yeah, a desire for freedom and people will come together, they'll sacrifice their life for it. But I think... Over over over again. Yeah, but what we're up against potentially this time is our tool making, our basic tool making, our basic fight is minuscule compared to what we'd be up against. It's it's useless.
00:44:31
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We need like... ah Will Smith like stupid lines while he's like, okay, a i You don't fucked up on a Monday or all hit like and That might not work for this one.
00:44:43
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No ah You know, what's great by the way? Why I'm sitting there listening to you were talking about all these high-level things right next to you because you're on my phone screen Eli Lilly is treating nearly 10% of us s obesity population with GLP ones that's fuck 10 it's like yeah maybe we should just let this thing roll know what i mean uh good for eli lily i think i have i have their stock which is good for me yeah boy but it's been working meaning it's making people it's making people skinnier it it yeah it suppresses appetite so that they don't crave uh eat all the time it's really pissing off the food companies
00:45:24
Speaker
But it it is a ball and chain in a way, right? Oh, yeah. like People think they're going to take that and then ease back ease into a healthy lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah, it's it shackles, dude. It's like homeowner's insurance. and and Oh wait, every year it's going up, it's going up, it's going up.
00:45:40
Speaker
They could just just keep jacking it. So it's an interesting time. Like I think, I don't know, sometimes you're a part of history in a big way. And like, so I just want to turn this AI shit off and not talk about it because it's starting to it's just starting to tire me out. But we're potentially in a era of history that they'll actually have like ah ah more than two paragraphs about in the history books.
00:46:00
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Everything I've been listening to, this is the most, there's no there's nothing that's ever been as important or as intense as as what we're about to face. Not even close. Do you think my stocks will hold up?
00:46:12
Speaker
Dude, Eli Whitney went up 54 bucks a share today. it's I don't know anything about it, but it's $1,169.86 at close today. God.
00:46:26
Speaker
Yesterday was- Is that all GLP? I don't know, but just yesterday in the markets, I was going back and forth with a friend and we were just making fun of it. It's like the era is, it must be like the roaring 20s where it's just like free money, free money. you know Everybody's talking about it, everybody's invested, everybody's making boatloads. It just keeps going up and up and up. you know it's It's just absurdity.
00:46:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, and then people, well, the positive terminology is like market resilience. Yeah, oh, God. Yeah, market resilience. Fucking shut up. Well, but these are real...
00:47:02
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Like, the the other thing about all this AI shit is, like, and even the SpaceX stuff, the they're they're, like, making an insane amount of money quickly. Well, the potential's real, but they're not really.
00:47:15
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one I don't remember the name, but one of them ah was, like, they were a couple billion a year, and it's, like, 60 billion a year in revenue. Like, it jumped 60x that fast. And if that keeps happening, that's it's, like, they're... they're a nation.
00:47:28
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mean, some of them already are, but... Yeah, that's anthropic, I believe. But I think the way that the stock prices are, if you look at what's happening, like, yes, a lot of people are using free versions of it. And some businesses have subscriptions for like 10, $15 an employee. So the revenue isn't there yet. Just like SpaceX, they don't have the contracts to justify whatever their valuation is at the moment. And And it remains to be seen. It's a very shaky proposition still to know if these companies will get anywhere near these projections. And every single one of the companies is priced for perfection.
00:48:04
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So do we really believe that all of them are going to be the winners? That's the most interesting thing. So so something's going to happen. It's going to be some, hopefully we go into another depression and all people want is custom live edge wood.
00:48:17
Speaker
these These people keep, well, I was, who was I talking to? I was talking to someone last night and I was like, I feel pretty good. Like i didn't do it because of this, but the fact that I'm decided to go in a, like a tangible thing,
00:48:31
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That's not, it's like, I, I, like, i might, because they're talking about basically all these guys chose to just perfect AI, not, not, uh, not a, a thing. Like, okay, we're going to perfect whatever energy or, we're just going to perfect the AI and then everything's attainable.
00:48:47
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Every single thing, including replacing labor, because, because that'll be an easy fix to plug this into, like, robotic manufacturing everything. And I'm like, great. But it's like, for me, you know maybe I'll benefit from ah a robot that makes every table perfect in a timely manner. and But it's still like the organic makeup of a tree. Seems like if you're in something like that, you might be all right.
00:49:10
Speaker
Unless AI can figure out how to grow these trees perfectly in four seconds and replace us or something. Well, your market's not that big. and And the timetable to come and take over your business is just not in the immediate term. You want to take over large swaths of corporate employee base. It'll start with warehouses. It'll go to truck drivers. It'll come to, it's already starting white collar, basic white collar stuff, basic analytic stuff. But yeah.
00:49:36
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I don't know if it'll keep going though, dude, because I think the government's going to want to own it and there's going to be tremendous pushback. And they make it sound like if they hit this super intelligence and all of a sudden they could control the world immediately.
00:49:48
Speaker
Well, yeah, it goes rogue. an Agent goes rogue. I just saw a headline today ah of that happened. Yeah. Yeah. It's an uncertain time. I don't know what to do about it. I don't know how to like allay my fears or or feel better about it.
00:50:03
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But some people, some people are, they have just a starkly different opinion that this, it'll all be fine. It's just like when we build electricity and then i'm like, well, just go read a little bit more, bro.
00:50:15
Speaker
Just, just in case, go read a little bit more. Nope. It's exactly like, this is just a technology innovation. Like it always has been. I'm hoping they're right. I really do hope they're right.
00:50:27
Speaker
Yeah, that that's in the movie. I mean, they he got the guy put in the guy put in a few a few people that are have a positive take on it. There is everyone, like, everyone is cautious, though, where it's like, but it put in the wrong hands or used the wrong way or allowed to sort of run itself, it's it's a disaster waiting thing to happen.
00:50:45
Speaker
but you know the idea for most But the funny thing is the most most people that have a positive take on it, it's like that everything will be obsolete as far as needing to do anything. So it'll be like a life of leisure and some stipends or some sort of like... It'll like be a tremendous concentration of wealth and everyone else will have like nothing to do, which is fucking crazy.
00:51:09
Speaker
but So that the what did they say that the overlords that accumulate all the wealth will... distribute it that solution is people have to just basically get it'll be like social security and but on a level like everyone gets like 10 million dollars or something like that but but people will they'll have no lever like there's you know the whole you know the pitchforks will come out well the pitchforks are now useless and human power is basically futile against a robot army so it's like will that actually happen
00:51:42
Speaker
What are you going to do? It'll be like an extension of everyone in Colorado around where like all they're worried about is their bike trips and shit like that. Like every, like what's everyone going to do? Well, but even if the people were upset, what would it matter is my point.
00:51:57
Speaker
And we're going to need Sarah Connor, maybe John Connor too. I was thinking about that this morning. I can't believe you said that. I was going to bust that out for the show too. sowa sawa ghana That's my Arnold dude. I'm trying to find the story about a thing going rogue.
00:52:12
Speaker
There was a great, like the beginning of that that documentary, they were talking about one of the one of the main dudes had an affair or something like that. And the AI bot was basically like figured out quickly he could control the situation or it could control the situation by being like, i will expose this around the world if you don't do this.
00:52:30
Speaker
That's fucked up. Yeah, but what AI doesn't know is that humans can quickly get nihilistic, self-sacrificial. We're very unpredictable. So we'll see where that goes. Where you go like, go ahead, go ahead, AI. Yeah, fine, fucker.
00:52:43
Speaker
I like that trim, that side trim. Yeah, boy. All right, so let's say we're here's where we've been. We were, would you be a slave owner? Would you chain somebody up in a wall and sell them for sex? I said yes if it's a white patriot front type racist dude, I would do it. I'd be fine with them experiencing that for a little bit. ah We went there, where'd we go? Then we went to AI Doomsday, huh?
00:53:10
Speaker
I mean, it all kind of goes in and in. We have to figure out how. But the idea of the past and slavery and what what might happen to us, it seems like there's some common threads there. It's hard to correlate when you're two idiots.
00:53:22
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Do you think in some ways you're already kind of a slave, like to to the capitalistic machine? You have to be an owner, really, to fundamentally, to even sidestep the core of what you're forced to do. But you're really not even in that case. The system's so big.
00:53:37
Speaker
you're not free. Nobody's free free. Cause you don't pay, you pay taxes, but there's no, there's like zero day. Like I can do whatever I want day to day. I still feel like I might be like, fuck, I, to survive, I gotta do something. But like, until I have like, someone's like, this is what you have to do today.
00:53:54
Speaker
You know, it's hard to be like, make the correlation that we are slaves to the system, to the system, man. Uh, but it's common. We'll see where it all goes.
00:54:06
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How do you think Marianne will do in this era? I don't think that that nice trim will ever go out of style regardless of AI or anything. Marianne, she always has a place.
00:54:45
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Oh