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Sponsor Acknowledgment: Hayfla
00:00:23
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And we're back. Better than ever. I feel like a contortionist working the laptop, the microphone mixer. I've got to avoid one to do the other.
00:00:39
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I want to thank our sponsor real quick, Hayfla. Hayfla offers a wide range of products and solutions for the woodworking and furniture making industries from hinges and drawer slides to connectors and dowels, sandpaper, wood glue, shop carts, and everything in between. Exclusive product lines such as looks, LED lighting, and Slido door hardware ensure that every project you create is built to last. Learn more at hayfla.com. Yeah. We had a visit from Hayfla yesterday.
00:01:08
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Uh, Tuesday. Oh man. That wasn't yesterday. No, no, this is the last week. Oh my God. Tomorrow's Friday. Oh yeah. I'm trying to remember where we were last week.
00:01:30
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what we talked about. Apparently we pissed somebody off. Some guy is no longer listening to the podcast. He was, doesn't want to hear about dentist visits or anything like that. Yeah. I did go to the dentist again last week. I should probably talk about it just in case he's still listening. We can get him so that he's not listening anymore. I had to get my stitches out. Good riddance.
00:01:55
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Douchebag. Just in case. He decided to check back in.
Negotiating for a Used Quincy Compressor
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He just checked out. Don't leave any more comments on the YouTube videos. How about that? Oh yeah. So last week we talked about the trip out to the Hamptons with the smoke detector and all that good stuff. Oh yeah. So since then,
00:02:25
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We, we picked up the compressor. We didn't. Yeah. We got the Quincy. Yes. We went out on, um, the last Friday. Has it only been a week? I think so. Yeah. Because this, this stuff came, I think this stuff came the same day, right? And then Saturday I came in and piped it in. Yes.
00:02:53
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So Friday morning, we shot out to Pennsylvania. This thing ended up popping up on on Facebook. Well, I guess you had seen it on Craigslist. Yeah, but it came down a price on Facebook. Yeah, it was like just it was at that point with price where it was like, you know, too high for used. It was above the threshold that we had sort of mentally set and
00:03:20
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I was on Facebook on Thursday during lunch, checking marketplace and saw reduced, you know, when somebody reduces the price, it jumps up in the, in like the results. So if you guys didn't notice the effects are back, I fixed up on the fricking on the thing.
00:03:42
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It popped up on there. I shot the guy a message. He brought it down from 2,500 to 2,000. That's a big reduction. So I shot him a message. I said,
00:03:58
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What was the guy's name? Will. Hey, Will. Is it still available? And, you know, waiting on eggshells. Then he finally messages back. Yep. Still available. I said, would you take 1850 cash? He said, yep. So it was like three of the sigh of relief. Finally found something that, you know, looked decent. We didn't get to see a run or anything. So it was, it was definitely still a chance.
Challenges with Used Equipment: Sander Issues
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Um,
00:04:27
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We haven't had such good luck with used gear. No, no. The like the oscillating belt standard thing is a nightmare. That's got to go. We should unload that on some unsuspecting Facebook shopper that doesn't listen to the podcast. Yeah. So, yeah, we shot out there, picked it up. It was probably about an hour and 40 minute drive. We got there eight o'clock on Friday. Skip hack.
00:04:57
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Yeah, we built like almost like a not a crate, but we built a frame around it like from the bed rails and built a box around the compressor and then strapped it down to the four corners of the bed.
00:05:16
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Which worked. It worked well. I mean, I didn't see it move at all. No, it was rock solid in there. And then it had a fifth strap to the, to the hitch. The guy, Will was a real expert. So he, he advised us.
Compressor Installation and Testing
00:05:28
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Well, yeah, he'd done a bunch of rigging. Um, so yeah, I got it back. Got it. Got it hooked up the same day. Yeah. A little rain on the way back made us nervous.
00:05:42
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Yeah. Yeah. We pulled over, put a couple of garbage bags over the pump and the motor, which ended up flying off. We ended up driving through more rain, which wasn't supposed to be a thing. Uh, but thankfully it was all right. Um, but we got it hooked up electrically Friday. Um, and ran like a dream.
00:06:08
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Yeah. Nice and quiet. I mean, it's got when that thing turns on, it's like a freaking chunk. It's like somebody kickstart in the hallway. Yeah. Or yeah. Or like when they turn over one of those friggin old timey cars with a hand crank in the front. Yeah, I guess there's a lot of compression in there. Yeah. Which come to find out is actually an issue for the edge banner.
00:06:40
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So just when we thought all our problems were gone, we made another one.
Electrical Issues and Edge Bander Troubles
00:06:47
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Yeah. What was it Monday? I was running the edge pander. I think. Yeah. Monday.
00:07:01
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because Tuesday Brian was here. So Monday I cut up these nightstands that I've been building, which should be done tomorrow. These little white oak nightstands, just white oak edge band and white oak plywood with a little face frame, mitered face frame with a bevel and a little inset plywood drawer head, plywood drawers.
00:07:28
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So I'm edge banning that and the shelves, not the shelves, the drawer faces for the shop cabinet. And I hadn't even gotten to that stuff yet. I was still doing the oak and feeding stuff in. And then all of a sudden this air comes up, inverter error. I'm like, what the fuck?
00:07:48
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So usually you can just, uh, you know, you click on the air and hit delete and it goes away and then you can restart the machine. It'll spit out the parts that are, that are still within the, um, the belt. And you just, you know, turn the machine back on. Whatever. If it's the air, you got to make sure you have air, but this is inverter error. So I'm like, I don't know what the hell this is. So I wouldn't let me clear it.
00:08:13
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Um, so I immediately, I texted Brian. I said, should I just like turn the machine off and turn it on again? Um, he walked me through what to do. He said, open the doors, look for any of the little breakers to be thrown. Um, none of those were thrown, but there's these three, I don't know what they are. Some controller of some sort would, they have like a digital readout and they were tripped. So I reset those and, uh,
00:08:44
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And I'm back in action. So then I'm edge banding more. I got through all the oak, get into the laminate with the thick edge banding. Happens again. Well, I noticed that it was like at the same, I fed a piece in the same second that the compressor kicked on. You can hear that thing over the edge bander and the dust collector and everything. Cause it, I mean, it makes a fricking smack.
00:09:12
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Yeah. Big time. It's like a, it's a big, I mean, Kachunk is the only way that I can describe it. Um, so I'm like, what the hell? And this time it threw like four codes, like air, air, air, air pressure, inverter, this, I'm like, damn. And the neighbor's lights went off. Yeah. Yeah. The rest of the town lost power. Excuse me. Um,
00:09:37
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So, you know, same thing went in there, cleared it and have been sort of going back and forth with Brian anyway.
00:09:46
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sort of updating him on the situation and uh, said, Oh man, 78 degrees outside said, um, yeah, you know, it, uh, it happened the same time I was feeding it or the compressor kicked on it at the same time I was feeding a piece in. So I guess there's, maybe it's when the pre milling is happening, there's like a lot of draw on the edge bander and then
00:10:13
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When the compressor kicks on, you know, it's only a 23 amp three phase motor, but that in rush amperage is is way higher. Come to find out could be as high as like two or three hundred amps. Yeah. Which seems absolutely insane.
00:10:30
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And you know, I knew that like, you know, I know that like power tools and stuff like, you know, circular saw say that, that says it's, you know, 15 amps. I know that it'll pull like 40 amps on startup and it's just like a split second, you know? Um, but I never thought that something like this would pull that many amps. Um, so what's happening, I guess is like 10 times. Yeah. We have 400 amps coming in and, uh,
00:11:00
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like the edge bander is on a 100 amp sub panel. I don't know if the sub panels play a factor, but when that thing kicks on, it eats up so much of the available amperage that the edge bander is sensing that it doesn't have enough power. So rather than damage anything within the edge bander, the edge bander actually shuts down, which is a good thing that it has these features. I'd rather
00:11:31
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I'd rather have to deal with a piece that didn't get edge banded and have to either, you know, peel the little bit that did go on there or what, even if you had to make a new piece rather than damage a $50,000 edge banner. Um, I mean, it's good that it has that, but it was just, it's been another, just another
Exploring Solutions: VFDs and Soft Starters
00:11:53
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thing. It's on buck boosters and we're not sure if that has any bearing on this. Yeah.
00:12:00
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Maybe. Um, you know, it just makes that path of electricity from the panel to the edge banner longer and more complicated. Yeah. A little circuitous. Um, so we were looking at VFDs and soft starters. I reached out to Jack English and, um, we were going to get a VFD from him. Originally we thought about just a soft starter and then Rob called Quincy and I don't know the,
00:12:29
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The guy that he was going to say something, but I'm not going to the guy that he talked to. The technical support team. Yeah. I guess that's something to the effect that a soft start wouldn't. Yeah, that wouldn't work on a compressor.
00:12:46
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Right. Even though, I don't know, according to all the research we've done on the internet, people do put soft starts on compressors. It's a pretty common thing. Yeah. Even like when you're looking at shopping for soft starts, one of the things that lists is like reciprocating air compressor. Yeah.
00:13:03
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Um, so Adam, I don't know what he was talking about. Maybe he's right. Maybe we're going to get this thing and it's not going to work. But anyway, fine. I was talking to Jack English bugging a VFD and he could get one, but it was going to be two weeks. And I'm like, well, I'm like, let me try and find something. If I, if it doesn't pan out, you know, we'll buy from you. But, um, so that was like going to be like 700 bucks. And then.
00:13:30
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You know, it was another one of these things like with the buck boosters where we know what we need, but picking the right one. I want somebody to tell me that this is the right one, you know? Um, so we had, we were having a hard time finding something for this motor specifically because it's a, it's three phase, it's 200 volt usable at two oh eight. A lot of this stuff is marked as two 20 or two 30 or two 43 phase, which, um, maybe would work. I don't know.
00:14:01
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But you know, Tina Galco assures us that this this one will work. Yeah. So finally, yesterday, we're on our way back from measuring something which we'll talk about later. But like when I don't have the recording thing up, you can see that it's actually recording.
00:14:21
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We're coming back from, uh, measuring a job and, uh, Rob was able to find a soft starter that looks like it'll work. So we should have that tomorrow. And it's made by Baldor, Baldor's parent company. Yeah. ABB. That's should be a good thing. Yeah. I know they have like, uh, settings. So they have like an input voltage, uh,
00:14:51
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Um, something about like time, like how long it's soft starts or something. So it might have to mess around with it, but we'll see. Yeah. Hopefully it comes with some good instructions.
00:15:03
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Oh yeah. We'll see about that. If not, we can be calling Tina. Tina was very nice. At least she'll hook us up. Yeah. Tina's a up in Michigan and she's got a little cabin up and says not quite in the UP, which is the upper peninsula, but it's still very nice at the top of the mitten.
00:15:24
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Yeah, yeah. And she's dying to get up there this weekend because the weather finally broke in Michigan. She said last week they had snow where she was. Jeez. Yeah, Michigan's supposed to be real nice in the summertime. Yeah. Very helpful there at Galco. G-A-L-C-O.
00:15:43
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Yeah. They have some good, uh, YouTube videos. Um, I remember I watched one this morning at, uh, well, yeah, it was from the website, but it's on YouTube, but I was, I had watched some of her looking for buck boosters too. Cause I saw those as well. Yeah. Motors, that kind of thing. Tina probably would have been helpful selecting buck boosters. Yeah. You know, it's, it's like anything else. You're just lucky to find somebody that's willing and knowledgeable at the same time. Yep.
00:16:14
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Yeah, we're finally out of the barter job. Praise the Lord. Yeah, that's a relief that drug on for way longer than it should have. Sure, maybe in time, we may have more to say about that, but the wounds are probably still a little bit fresh. We'd be very snarky right about now. Yeah.
00:16:41
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So yeah, so that was, that was the edge banner saga or the it's as it continues.
Learning from Experts: Brian's Assistance
00:16:48
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Um, so Tuesday, Brian from RT machine Co, right? RT machine machines. Yeah. Something like that. I don't remember the exact name of the thing. Sorry. I'm tying up this wire.
00:17:05
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Uh, Brian came by because we, we, uh, we had asked him to stop by. He was supposed to show a potential, um, purchaser of a he's edge banner or edge banner, but the guy had to cancel last minute. Um,
00:17:20
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But yeah, we had asked Brian to come by to just, you know, give us another rundown on all the adjustments and everything on the machine. You know, on setup day, we were kind of pressed because we had to, we had to actually edge band like all this stuff. Yeah, it was, you know, cause things from Adwood kind of, it came up later than we thought it was, it got here later than we thought it was going to get here.
00:17:48
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And we had material delays. And so we were in a pinch. We had to get this job out. Plus we were having issues with the compressor. So it was like, you know, we weren't able to retain as much of the information as we would have hoped.
00:18:04
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Um, so we just asked Brian to stop by, give us a rundown on, on all the adjustments and stuff, which was, it was good. Yeah. Um, our team machine.com or team machine.com. Um, it all, it's stuck a lot better than.
00:18:19
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And I thought it might, I thought it might be like, I've got to take like super precise notes. Yeah. Well, we spent about four hours adjusting a couple of things. Yeah. So it's like, you know what wrench you need now just to get in there and. 13 millimeter. Yeah.
00:18:41
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Yeah, I mean, we learned a lot. I told Brian, like, we probably learned more on Tuesday than we knew before. Yeah, I agree. It was like a exponential knowledge growth day. When we ran, you know, we ran wood edge banning, we ran PVC, we went through the corner rounding. Yeah, we got that dialed in really well. I know we said it.
00:19:10
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many times, but RT machines, that's why we went with that particular company and Brian. He came out and spent the day with us and took us to lunch and you don't get that kind of service much anymore.
00:19:26
Speaker
Yeah. And you know, we're pretty special. So don't everybody expect such perfect treatment. It's still going to be great, but maybe not. Yeah. Not that good. Yeah. So you have any machinery needs? Yeah. Yeah. Look them up.
00:19:42
Speaker
new machines, they sell used machines, reconditioned, you know, used like in the sense where they just buy it and make sure it works and they sell reconditioned machines where, you know, they'll go through it. And I mean, these guys are experts. They go through and fix every little thing that's wrong with it and sell it. Like it's basically a brand new machine. Yeah. And they've got some crazy stuff. I mean, from small, like they sell like
00:20:09
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They'll sell the new Oliver stuff, new Laguna stuff, which is kind of like, I don't want to say small time, but small time compared to like a 100 foot long finish. Like, I don't even know what the hell they have some crazy like 100 foot long machines right now that are like.
00:20:27
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I think they're finishing lines or something. Yeah. Even just the, the milling machines are like 20 and 25 feet long. Holy cow. Yeah. Brian was telling us they just delivered a forehead time saver. So it's got a helical head planer as the first head and then three sanding heads, like two sanding and a polishing head. I mean, come on. That's crazy. Yeah.
00:20:56
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Yeah. $200 some odd thousand dollar machine. I have a big place for that. Yeah. I bet they don't deliver that on a box truck. Well, if you got a loading dock, I think he said it was 15, 15 feet long. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it was a good day and we, we got a visit from Adam rich as well. And in the afternoon,
00:21:26
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Yeah. Yeah. And I'm rich from hateful stop by.
Planning a Kitchen Project with Lindsay Marie Price
00:21:30
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Um, we have kitchen job coming up, which is what we were out measuring yesterday, uh, down in brick for Lindsay Marie price design Co. I think it's the name of her company. I think that's it. So it's a longer name than ours. Yeah. Um, so we've, I mean, we've been working with Lindsay for,
00:21:52
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seven years or something like that. The other place. Right. Um, you know, I, I had worked with Lindsay before even working at Tom's shop. Um, when I was working for gut Leber, uh, actually the job I met Lindsay on is a job that we met on. That's right. Uh, Atlanta. I always want to say he's a vor Jack, but he's a composer.
00:22:18
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So yeah, so we've known Lindsay for a long time. She went out on her own, um, maybe a year and a half, two years ago, something like that. Um, so we've been trying to get together to do something. We, we actually, we have some floating shelves in the shop that we built for her, um, while maybe two months ago that we, we, uh, we finally just got confirmation of the finish from the client. Um, so we'll finish those up and put them in, but this is like the first real,
00:22:45
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job of substantial size that we're doing with her as Green Street and she as her own company. So that'll be good. We're going to do just not like a full, I mean, it's a custom kitchen, but not like a full custom kitchen where we're building all the doors and all that stuff.
00:23:07
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You know, we're going to have this boxes CNC cut. We're going to buy the doors. We're going to buy the everything pre-painted and assemble. Yeah. We'll try out, you know, everybody else does it pretty much. Well, that's what she's used to. And that's how we priced it. Right.
00:23:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, do we want to get the job at, you know, sub 50K or do we want to not get the job at 80,000 and have to do three times as much work for less than twice the price? We're trying to wise up. Yeah. I mean, you still need a good shop to be able to execute a job like that. It's not rocket science, but it's also not
00:23:57
Speaker
that simple, you know, cause we've seen guys like Tom who just butcher stuff like that. Oh yeah. I mean, just going through the drawings yesterday and this morning, um, once you start drawing it, you see all the little inconsistencies that you got to go back and fix. Yeah. It's like, Oh, this doesn't work. If you put a panel over here, you, you know, then it can't be a 36 got to be 34 and a half.
00:24:27
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That's the thing with kitchens, too, is everything is usually interconnected and, you know, big long runs and that you get the compounding error when there's one little oversight. Yeah, that's exactly it. So I got two more pages and notes now.
00:24:46
Speaker
There's even more riding on it too. And you have to order everything because if it's not right, then you're kind of screwed. Yeah. That that's really it. That's my whole thought process going into this because usually we make everything and it's no big deal. You trim it, you know, fit it, make another one. This is, you know, you got to write it down and that's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, when it's a five week lead time,
00:25:17
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Oh, and you got to reorder. Yeah. That's why, you know, this is just like the first draft of these drawings. Yep. Yeah. We have to go through and, you know, check all the gaps. It's like, you know, we got an eighth inch gap running across here. Is this the way we want it? Yeah. And, you know, between doors, you can't do it's not eighth. It's only 16. Yeah. It's twice. Right.
00:25:46
Speaker
Oh yeah. Um, all that stuff's gotta be eyes dotted and T's crossed. Yeah. Yeah. It might be a good time to try Mosaic. Just try it out, you know? Let's see. Right. So they run a free trial. Mosaic free trial.
00:26:17
Speaker
It is not free, it's prepaid whether you use it or not. All right, for free, something different. Let's see what their pricing is like. Mosaic manufacturing, designed to manufacture software for traditional non CNC cabinet shops, $95 a month. Mosaic manufacturing plus optimizer.
00:26:46
Speaker
All the features of manufacturing plus optimized parts for table and panel saws was a CNC version designed to manufacture software for shops with flat table CNC routers, 150 a month. That's the rendering. Yeah, it's pretty good. Wow. Not as nice as fusion, but good enough. It's better than a SketchUp.
00:27:18
Speaker
Mosaic for closets. Save that for a trial. 25 a month. It's cheap. But it's pretty cool that it gives you cut lists right off of the program. Rain matching. Web story.
00:27:49
Speaker
I guess they don't have a trial. We require all potential customers to subscribe to Mosaic for three months initially. At the end of that period, you will know if it's right for your business. If so, you can subscribe annually, rent it monthly when you need it, or purchase a license for the software, which is yours. But before you make that long-term commitment, we want you to make sure that software is right for your business. I get a refund if I don't like it. Doesn't sound like it. Tell you to kick rocks.
00:28:21
Speaker
The website seems like it looks a little chintzy from this distance. Like it's like kind of old school, additional seat. What does that mean? So it's really going to be 175 a month. Oh, that, that, I mean, didn't somebody mention that they like share passwords and stuff like that? I hope the Mosaic people aren't listening. Like the option to add additional seats of your software to your subscription.
00:28:50
Speaker
Mosaic is licensed per device. Each additional seat purchased will add $50 a month to your subscription. Wow. That's what we got to do. We got to find somebody and just add it. We'll just pay them 50 bucks a month to add and see a hundred bucks a month paid at two seats. I mean, fusion, I don't know what the, I forget what the hell we're paying for fusion. It ain't cheap. It's it's that or more.
00:29:20
Speaker
I'm all disappointed they don't have a trial. Yeah. It might be a way to get it somehow, but it's just not coming up on here. Yeah. That's those subscription things. Like John Vital used to get me all my black market stuff. And that was before they started going to the subscription style. Well, yeah, you can see why they did it. Yep.
00:29:56
Speaker
Fine mosaic free trial. We should talk to Dan. Yeah. See what he thinks. But, you know, fusion's almost up. So it's like the truck lease. Yeah. Yeah. Still thinking about a mattress.
00:30:23
Speaker
They don't have them. If you can't get one, I'm going to end up with another. I'm really, I don't want to be driving that around. I need a truck. I need something that's comfortable. I'm not driving the Pulaski in a Sprinter or a fricking mattress. You know, that little floorbanger in there. That's fine. They're just not comfortable. You know, it sounds, the inside sounds like a van. I mean, I've never driven a mattress, but definitely not a Sprinter. Um,
00:30:54
Speaker
I mean, I like my truck. The new one would be nice. Yeah. What year is yours? 2021. Hmm. 24s will be out in October. I probably won't get one of those. I'd like to turn in early, but we'll see. Um, yeah, we were talking about, we were talking about the kitchen and we got onto mosaic.
00:31:24
Speaker
Yeah. Well, we were talking about how the style of this particular build is going to require a different set of circumstances and techniques. Yeah. Yeah. My thought with Mosaic for this is like, you know, Mosaic does a lot of these calculations itself. Yeah. So rather than have to draw it on fusion, then you just then you had to draw like 10,000 individual parts and hope that you didn't make a mistake anywhere down the line.
00:31:53
Speaker
I mean, you could be totally screwed. So. Probably worth the investment of even if we got to do three months at one hundred and seventy five, it's whatever called six hundred bucks after tax. Yeah. That could be that's, you know. In the grand scheme of the whole job, could be well worth it. Yeah. And like they say, it'll give us an idea if it's a good fit. Yeah.
00:32:22
Speaker
You know, we'll know if we want to get deeper into it. What else we got going on?
Client Communication Challenges
00:32:31
Speaker
Well, I mean, we've been contacted and been contacting a host of new clients and potential clients. Yeah. Yeah. Some of which are dragging their feet. Um, just the,
00:32:51
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The speed and lack of communication is just so frustrating. Yeah. Um, like, Hey, we want to move forward with the job. Okay. When do you need it? Well, it could be this time. It could be that time. Okay. Well, how, how does this sound? Let me know. No response for a week. It could be a little annoying. Excuse me.
00:33:19
Speaker
you know, you're trying to make a schedule. Yeah. Yeah. Just, you know, have an understanding as to what the next couple of months look like, you know, and try and coordinate with other clients. Like we're not saving spots, but I'm also not going to like, like, if I know, if I have confidence that you're going to do the job and it's going to be at this time, I'm going to try to not put another client there. Like technically I'm not saving the spot, but you know,
00:33:49
Speaker
trying to steer people into a slot on the schedule that makes sense for everybody.
00:33:57
Speaker
I had this running with this developer going back and forth with the designers for a while. And then, then they hand over the reins to this guy and he's like, Oh, can you do a little bit? Can you come down to this number? So, you know, me in the, not even the middle, the lower end of middle. And then he's like, Oh, can you do it for this 500 bucks less than what? Like, okay, fine.
00:34:23
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Schedule of payments is this. It's, you know, which was already in the thing that she's seen. Well, I'd really prefer it to be 50 50. Sorry. No, it's a deal breaker. Like I don't know what people expect. Oh, we told him to keep walking. Yeah. Yeah. When he emailed back and said, okay, fine.
00:34:44
Speaker
When can you you know, when can you have it done? I said, you know, we're going to pass on the job. And that set off all kinds of. Yeah, well, he called me immediately, which, you know, it was like getting responses before was was hours or days between. Which I proceeded to ignore the phone call because, you know, I don't want to talk to a guy. Plus, it's kind of a good tactic.
00:35:16
Speaker
Uh, but I sent him an email, you know, later saying, you know, well in the time that you were dragging your feet, we, we took on more work. Like people, I told you, we're not holding anybody, any spots. Like, you know, other people left deposits. So now they have that spot. So I don't know what to tell you. We can't, we can't fit your job in. And then I got both designers calling me, you know, saying, well, can we just do, you know, this one, we just do this reception desk. And it's like,
00:35:44
Speaker
We'll think about it.
Securing Payment Terms with a Client
00:35:46
Speaker
So then I said, all right, listen, we'll, we could squeeze it in, but you got to pay us a hundred percent up front. All right. We'll talk to him and see what he says. Well, of course they're going to pay us up front. I wish I could see his face when he writes that check.
00:36:07
Speaker
We better make sure we better cash it right away. It's all through QuickBooks. It only has like one of those mission impossible things on it. Like it goes up in smoke. Yeah. It'll just, it'll just be a bank transfer and no room for plenty of business. Uh, the old days money used to change hands actually. Yeah. Not anymore. No.
00:36:37
Speaker
Um, so yeah, it looks like we're going to do that. I finished the new design today. Um, so I got to write that up, send it over in the morning. We'll get moving on that. That should be nice, quick and easy. Um, we got a job in Hoboken coming up at some point, which is one that we're waiting on on dates for like, uh,
00:37:04
Speaker
I don't know what you would call that.
Logistical Hurdles in Jersey City
00:37:06
Speaker
It's like a, like a closet, computer, closet, desk, wine, fridge. It's a kind of like when you live in a small space, everything's got to do everything. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. It's a, it is, is kind of a funky little thing. Yeah.
00:37:29
Speaker
I mean, it's mostly mostly behind doors, so it'll look good, but it's a strange mix of different things. I love working at Hoboken.
00:37:46
Speaker
Actually Jersey City. Yeah, that's Jersey City. I love working there too. Clients that we've worked for before through a different design. This is through a different designer. So we know the building. We know the apartment. It's good. That's a big advantage. Yeah. We know the doorman. Uh, no, he's just parking the parking garage. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:18
Speaker
the, did we park in the parking garage last? Did the van fit in there? Oh, we didn't park in there, but we, we parked in the back. They let us park in the back, but they let us unload in the. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. It's got really high ceilings. Yeah. The elevator. Yeah. So we have to build everything to fit up the elevator. Although
00:38:48
Speaker
We didn't have any issues last time. That was a pretty big wall unit that was probably four foot by nine foot or something like that. Yeah. Um, it was pretty good. I don't remember how tall the ceilings were in the elevator. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. They were pretty big from what I remember. You know, the elevator itself was big.
00:39:12
Speaker
Um, yeah, I've been working on those little nightstands. We've been working on the, uh, on doors, the, who knows? Yeah. We got the vacuum bag rolled out. Smells like summer, like a swimming pool. Yeah. It has that inflatable. Yeah. The inflatable toy smell. Yep. Yep.
00:39:38
Speaker
especially the end that's been rolled up. Still got like that new, that new liner smell. Yeah. It's definitely off-gassing. Yeah. Isn't that great? The new car smell is plastics off-gassing. Yeah. Poison. Did you know that they make air fresheners with the new car smell? Oh God. Yeah. I wonder if they actually use a, if it's an off-gassing thing or if it's just,
00:40:06
Speaker
Well, I think an air freshener by nature is just off guessing. That's how, that's how it works. Oh man. Oh, listen how quiet it is. Yeah. Compressor hasn't kicked on at all. I know. I know. Yeah. I don't, when's that guy coming to pick up old Chicago? I don't know.
00:40:33
Speaker
I don't know. I don't care when he picks it up because he paid us. So that's the thing. I'm not holding it unless you pass. So yeah, it's on you. A couple of people wanted to buy those boxes of hedges. One guy who would text the email this morning, he said, are they still here? I said, yeah, come and get them.
00:41:01
Speaker
And that was it. Then another guy emailed and he's like, are they still there? I said, well, I had to wait until I heard back from this other guy. I emailed him. I said, are you coming or not? I didn't hear from him. So he's out. Did you give him the address? Yeah. I said, you got to tell me if you're coming because somebody else wants them. Right.
00:41:24
Speaker
Um, I'll email guy number two and tell him outside. Yeah. That's what I'm going to tell him. What 30 will be outside of me on the curb. Good luck because somebody is probably going to take him. Oh, I got an email here from an old client. They seem to have damaged something.
00:41:55
Speaker
on the fire up the check right in hand. Yeah. I don't like these people. Not the people at the table, is it? No, it's a, it's other. It's, this is a, some people that I actually refused to go back to their house. Oh, they're the ones that wanted the vanity and then they bailed. Yeah. Remember they called back and they, they were like begging. Then you fix the door for him. We fixed the door like a couple of years ago for them. Cabin, a door.
00:42:24
Speaker
I think, I think you're right. Yeah. I think you're right. You slammed the door or something and broke the style. Yeah. What else can we do? What broke? Nothing broke. It's finishes all dull. Well, that's what happens. It's all kind of like, I don't know what he did. White marks on it and stuff like that.
00:42:50
Speaker
I mean, I got the same finish on my kitchen. I haven't cleaned it in 25 years. So I don't know what you did.
00:43:04
Speaker
You know, it's like the, it's like when, uh, we fix that tape that, uh, what would you call that piece of furniture, that cabinet that we built? And, uh, so I don't know what happens to the finish and we went over there and then they fess up that they use like some harsh cleaner on it. Yeah. Yeah. It happens.
00:43:35
Speaker
Um, what else is going on in the shop? Anything? Any news? How's your, how's your dental work? Oh, mine's fine. Yeah. I just get my routine fillings. Yeah. I gotta go back in another month. They check for a month every month until I finally get my implant. Hash cow. They got going on over there. I know. I know.
00:44:05
Speaker
I'm just dying to get a tooth in there. That's all I can say. So I can finally chew, like get a solid, like eat a piece of Italian bread or something. Yeah. You just had the two of the front teeth. Oh, you know what that's like. Yeah. I've had, I had a crown. Oh yeah.
00:44:32
Speaker
That's basically what this process is, except they're putting in a fake tooth on some kind of, I don't know how it's, it must be on like a metal post of some kind. Yeah. That's basically what I had, except instead of a metal post, they shaped the tooth, the existing tooth into a post and then snap of fake tooth on top. Oh wow. Yeah. Cause the root wasn't dead. Oh, I never heard of that before. I sort of crown this.
00:45:00
Speaker
Oh, I thought a crown is when they hook it on to, Oh, I'm thinking of a bridge. That's when they hook it onto the teeth next to. Yeah. That's like a, like a bracket almost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crown is like a fake tooth over top of a, of another tooth. I see. Wife was asking me if we're headed up to makers camp already. He's wondering if we're going. Yeah. I said, yeah, of course we're going.
00:45:29
Speaker
I sort of handed the reins over to Bliss to sort of coordinate all the stuff out.
Reflections on Sponsorship at Makers Camp
00:45:33
Speaker
We haven't heard anything.
00:45:38
Speaker
Well, he did, he did secure a new sponsor. It's true. Um, which is kind of really more than we did. I mean, we didn't get any sponsors. Did we? Oh, we got a Harvey dust collector. We got saw stuff. Oh, that was John Peters. Yeah. It would have been no, uh, well, by the way, John Peters, but that was, that's right. It was my brainchild.
00:46:05
Speaker
And then you told, uh, Austin and Austin got them up there, right? Was that how it worked? Well, I had a, we talked to John and then I had a, a FaceTime with, with, uh, saw a stop in Austin and then obviously let Austin go from there because it's his thing. But, um, yeah, there would have been no woodworking tent if it wasn't for green street. That's for sure. Yeah. I remember all the legwork and we did get chocolate pies. Yeah.
00:46:36
Speaker
I'm going to, I'm going to ask for something else this year. I had all the chocolate pie I can take. Yeah. The strawberry pie was pretty good. Yeah. You know what I want? I want cheesecake this year. Yeah. They didn't have that. No, I, I'd like some cheesecake. So if you're listening up there at the Blackthorn, get the wheels turning on cheesecake. That's a stretch probably. Yeah.
00:47:05
Speaker
I guess so. No cheesecake, peach pie. Hmm. Not really peach season. No, that's the problem. It's all apples. Life can be difficult. Yeah.
00:47:28
Speaker
I saw Keith. It must be his dog's birthday or something like that. He's been promoting. Mr. Mr. Watson. I think it was for May for makers. Just some maker thing where you post something every day for for the whole month. I'm not participating. You're pretty good at that stuff, though.
00:47:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not going to be involved in that though. No, no, a little, a little bit much. Yeah. I watched your post this morning. Oh, the stories. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got to keep people updated. I like that cock. Yes. Ashco got a little sample set from them. They sent about five
00:48:25
Speaker
five different types of adhesive and caulking and stuff, which is pretty cool. Yeah. Um, what's that level stuff? It's like a silicone alternative, but it's super sticky. Is it greasy like that? You know, that's the one thing I don't really like about the silicone. It feels kind of like, wow, that's what makes it. So yeah, that's, that's because of silicone. Yeah. Slippery.
00:48:58
Speaker
Yeah, I like the water based stuff. Yeah. I mean, silicone has its place. You're never going to replace. There's no water base equal to silicone. That's right. Yeah. Not for, not for your freaking bathroom. No.
00:49:14
Speaker
No, not at all. Yeah. Can't use water basin there. No, we're out, you know, outside. Yeah. You put in your, uh, I mean, don't use silicone on windows. I mean, I guess some home Depot guy probably does, but, um,
00:49:32
Speaker
Yeah. You use some, you use Alex or something on to seal outside. You're going to have a leak. That's for sure. That's good advice. Yeah. Yeah. I got a squirrel chewing up into my porch roof again. I'm going to have to get another piece of like quarter inch. Cause that's what that, that roof is, you know, like the, like a undersides.
00:50:02
Speaker
on my front porch. The soffit? No, no. Up in the spot where you like, you would sit and put chairs. It's all quarter inch plywood. That's your problem. Yeah. Switch to a three quarter inch and you got to choose through that. Yeah. But it's so big. I'd have to take the whole thing down.
00:50:23
Speaker
Yeah, I don't have that kind of gumption. I'm at the patch phase now. Just sit out there with a, with a weapon. Well, the problem is my wife feeds all the birds and then the squirrels come and eat. So you can't get rid of them.
00:50:40
Speaker
No, yeah, they moved in to stay. Yeah. Um, so I'm going to have to get like a small piece of a quarter inch and spend a weekend out there and, uh, you know, cut it, clean it up. Do like a little patch job painting white.
00:51:01
Speaker
Yeah. I have to avoid doing the patch and not painting it. Uh, you know, I have to get that all and I can't go into it saying, well, let me put this up and then I'll get the paint and I'll do that next week. Yes. You know how long that'll be on painted up there.
00:51:18
Speaker
Yeah. Until you got to do another patch. Yeah. I'm thinking about painting it, you know, at least put a coat or two on it and then put it up. I don't like working above my head like that. Yeah. You get a roller. Yeah. Oh yeah. Last time the porch was painted, I paid somebody to do it, but I think, uh,
00:51:45
Speaker
I think I'm going to be out there this spring out there doing another, uh, you better hurry up. It's almost summer. Oh man. I might have to wait till next spring, March, April, May, we're three, we're into the third month of spring. Holy cow. I didn't know spring started in March really. I didn't really thought about it that way. March 21st. Cause it's, it's still kind of chilly. Oh yeah. I mean, summer doesn't start till June 21st. Oh man.
00:52:14
Speaker
Remember summer vacation when you went to school? Yeah. Boy, it went fast, didn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You know, all my friends and my wife was retired now, all the teachers, they're counting the days. It's no way to live. They're counting their days until summer vacation. Then get out of the school.
00:52:46
Speaker
There's one night and be a teacher. Yeah. Um, that job, it, it breaks you down and then they hang on for the pension.
Economic Trends and Historical Impacts
00:52:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:58
Speaker
know, they have so much time invested. That's like, I can't really, well, they just have to, you know, take the good with the bad. But I know a lot of teachers that you suggest count the days, even starting in September. I'm sure those kids are getting a great education for those teachers.
00:53:17
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it was interesting. I went over to my cousin's house and I was talking to the kid who's a G's finishing his junior year in high school. And I was talking to him about,
00:53:30
Speaker
COVID and like when they closed the schools and everything, cause like at the end of eighth grade, they closed the school. And so he didn't go to school at all, the ninth grade. And they were saying that they had this rule against having the camera on, on your computer. So that it was, there was, you know, nobody did any work. You know, cause there was no accountability. That's all BS anyway.
00:54:04
Speaker
Is that what you have to say about public education system? Yeah. Maybe some of math class, you know, using now, but yeah. Come on. Come on. What about history? That's my, it's all fake history to teach anyway. It is. They teach you the most insignificant parts.
00:54:26
Speaker
Yeah. That's the great man theory of history. They used to call it, you know, the dates and the names and all that stuff that truly you really don't need. But you know, it was really interesting was speaking of it is that prohibition podcast. Oh yeah. Yeah. I'd like to listen to another one. Like I said, on the depression, I'd really like to get that take on like,
00:54:53
Speaker
the onset of the depression, like all the little things that triggered it. I've always kind of felt there was a little, not conspiracy, but like there were some people that benefited from it. Oh yeah. And just like the bubble popping in 2007 or whatever it was, some people became billionaires over there. Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:19
Speaker
Um, interesting set of circumstances when some people can, you know, gain untold wealth while, you know, other people are looking for their next meal. Yeah. That's the formula. That's what happened during COVID. Crazy. Some people had no job and guys like Jeff Bezos were making money hand over fist.
00:55:43
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And, um, um, look at how Amazon came out the other end on that. Yeah. Well, now they're laying everybody off. Are they? I didn't know that. I thought they were just building warehouse upon warehouse. No, they canceled a lot of those. Really? Huh. I wonder why. Well, it's, it's rampant in corporate industry right now. Everybody's laying people off. I'm not glued in at all. Yeah.
00:56:14
Speaker
Yeah, pay attention to that ship. Wow. Hope that doesn't trickle down to us. Sure. I mean, generally it does. I mean, you can't avoid it.
00:56:27
Speaker
Yeah. It looks like we're coming towards the tail end of, of whoa. I don't want to jinx ourselves. What was going to be a potential recession? Looks like we might. Don't worry. I just knocked all my e-car way out without it happening. You know, all the inflation seems to be leveling out. That's good. I mean, I just saw something the other day.
00:56:55
Speaker
And it was, it was talking about the interest rate on home purchases. I w I mean, really, I have no clue. I mean, I didn't realize it was up so high from like in the sixes and
00:57:10
Speaker
I mean, it was at like his not historic lows, but it was at like really, it was really, really low a couple of years ago. Yeah. We refinance then it was really low. Yeah. Two and a quarter percent or something. Two something. I don't remember what it was because my wife took care of everything. Yeah. I think ours is like 3.25 or something like that. But, uh, yes.
00:57:36
Speaker
than a half percent or something like that. I guess that's pretty low. You know, historically still, but we, yeah, we were getting it so cheap that they kept raising interest rates to try and squash the inflation, which I mean, maybe it did work. Maybe that's what did it. Yeah. I don't really understand all that stuff like the macro economics.
00:58:03
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, either I won't pretend to, but they raise interest rates to try and curb spending because spending is increasing inflation. Yeah, I don't really understand how that works. It seems like they want people to go out and buy like that drives the economy.
00:58:25
Speaker
Well, when there's like such a high demand, the prices go up because the whole supply demands, you know? So when, you know, that's where shrinkflation and all this stuff comes in where they say, oh, people are just buying stuff up or raise the prices. That's exactly what inflation is. That's kind of what we just lived through. Everything going way up. Yeah. Oh yeah.
00:58:50
Speaker
Um, I said, damn eggs, man. Yeah. Cause they're attacking our food system. That's the big conspiracy theory now. Oh, it is. Yeah. That they're, you know, did you see the, the dairy farm was on fire last night. Okay. Yeah. Oh, how many cows died? 10,000. There's like 550 million dairy cows in the United States or something crazy.
00:59:20
Speaker
Wow. That's a shame though, those cows died. We didn't even get into the concrete work we had done. Oh, God. Yeah, no, that would have to be a Patreon bonus show.
00:59:41
Speaker
Suffice to say it was, it was an interesting afternoon. Yeah. We'll tell you about that. If you stop by the shop one day. Yeah. You got to remember to ask. Oh man. Well, we're just about to tick over the one hour mark. All right. That's all I've got. All I got in me and mentally. So we appreciate you guys listening. Yeah.
01:00:09
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Talk to you next week, maybe with a little more substance to it. And a little more pizzazz. All right, we'll see you. Yeah. As always, Rob and I, thank you for tuning in and we'll see you next week. If you want to help support the podcast, you can leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Again, we appreciate your support. Thanks for tuning in.
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Speaker
change.