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217: African Folktales: Animals, Food + Stories
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Jambo Cryptic Crew, we missed you! Sorry there was no new show last week, we were dealing with things and thank you for your patience while we took that time. With much love but no further ado, let's talk folklore from Africa!
The intro chat has some smattering of summer wedding tea, a peek into the Patreon tech problems like almost losing half of one host's audio, plus the bonus episode's topic of mystical places like lightning-prone lakes and ley lines so check that out now! Stories start around minute 19 so that no one has to add that in the comments! lol
Kelsey hits us with some Kenyan customs and rich cultural background, cities and craftworks, even a show and tell of her own collection! The Show part will be on our site and socials. Storytime #1 : How Zebras got their Striped Skin
Second segment starts out commenting on Kelsey's Paws shirt, sorry but it stayed in so there. Then we can't help but talk about food in general, as most podcasters are fond of doing, why are we always starving on mic?? Food does feature in the folklore of course, so we chat about that to kick things off. Then on to two quick stories, The Leopard Famine and The Midnight Goat Thief. Just what the hell is up with those hares, anyhow?
Thank you so much for listening, supporting, and most of all, make sure to Keep it Cryptic!
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Podcast Introduction and Hosts
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.............
Recording Challenges and Patreon Update
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You are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And we're back!
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but Did you miss us? Well, we're like a toxic relationship that way. We should have called. I just said to text to that to you a second ago. I should have texted you yesterday well because we talked about recording yesterday.
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And then am. Yeah. Yeah. Dealing with car stuff because I basically... had like my old card kind of just died so anyway that was the whole thing and I was just like i mean wait wait yeah that's been ongoing headaches yeah I think yeah you could probably tell that thing was on its last legs
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but anyway so I just got caught up doing that yesterday on the way home I thought oh yeah I'll just get to go home and then maybe we'll have time to record and then I didn't get home until like eight or something oh damn that sucks yeah but i have a car now so yay uh that's exciting poop boo
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continue to drive myself to work yeah like like an adult yeah yeah No, it's good though.
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But anyway, but yeah, we've been both having crazy weeks. We had to do Patreon last week and then I don't know, that kind of seemed to push things back and then I just, don't know, I was busy, you were busy. Yeah, and then there was like weird tech thing. I don't know what was happening. I'm trying to block yeah every tech issue out because every time I try to start lately since I got a VPN, it's like 30 extra minutes of of restarting and troubleshooting and yeah it's been weird bull yeah anyway um it's not an ad and it's not not yeah it will not be a sponsor no then i won but i won't be like a complainer and be like it's all your fault freaking whatever who knows so anyway yeah we probably should have had like this one was supposed to be out from our
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regular so scheduled programming like I think last Friday but then I was still working on the Patreon I don't know oh and the Patreon have problems too other tech issues I forgot really yeah I don't know it just was so maddening how every time I tried to download the audio mine was cut off and then you're like I'll try it when I get home like half as long yeah I well I felt bad because I that was the first night of me closing for the next three nights in a row and I was like oh my god how do I even help right now because like I won't get home until like quarter to ten i'm like yeah that's too late to start messing with stuff I get it yeah so I just came home was like oh I'm gonna like see what it looks like when I download it and then it was weird because I had to like
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I don't know, like click to listen to the audio, but I could only listen to us one at a time. I like click on it and it starts playing and I go, okay, yeah, like that's Alana. And then I like click to the end of the audio and i was like, okay, well we're saying like bye and stuff. So I was like, okay, I think that's the right thing. And then so I exit out and go to mine and i was like,
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okay well we said like bye and everything i was like both of us said goodbye so i'm pretty sure this is right and you put you're saying it cut off at like a weird thing so yeah once i put it into the editing so like the what's it called it the editing software the audacity so you previewed it before that and it was all there is that what you're saying Yeah, I just like clicked it to like listen to it in whatever media player laptop has. Yeah, okay. Huh. It would like it would like use say that the download was going to be the same size, the same length, like when I would hover over it on the Zencaster. And then it was like 46 minutes instead of like 120. I'm like, I don't understand. It happened the next day too. I was like...
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I'm not just crazy. That's not the right one. Yeah, that's really weird. Yeah, i like I said to you, I'm to have to clean up my computer shit.
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Make sure all the extra things are gone. so Yeah, that'll make a difference. but I'm just happy we... um You know, i was telling you, i was like re-recording it. it Oh.
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that It kind of sucks and it's never the same. And would have had to go back. It's just last resort. barely got into history of ley lines. Like, was like, oh no.
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Yeah, that one I told you about where the person was like, okay, now I have to re-record my audio because I can't get my two other co-hosts back in here. That's too much. and like you imagine your Oh, yeah. re-reacting to your own podcast
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yeah be like listen to me react to my co-host talking to me but i'm not and i'm no longer live but they are like well this is how i felt was like my audio cuts out and then it's just and then you don't to just one person audio is just like oh yeah i hated doing cursive writing because i was really bad at and then blah blah blah and we were talking about just the randomest thing and then it would be like and that was you and then mine i'm just like mine's gone and it's just like silence you're like oh this sounds like a bad stand-up was one person's just crickets yeah yeah
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Yeah. Oh my god. That's what it was like when I was trying to check the ending. And then I was like, I think this is the full audio because we're just each going, bye! Oh, yeah.
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hey Too funny. oh Lord have mercy. Anyway. Yeah. Wow. Thanks for sticking with us. and Yeah.
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there's been a lot of people joining up on our like free Patreon where you can check. Oh really? Yeah. we We put a bonus episode out where you could watch it for free on the free tier, get a taste. And yeah, I noticed we've had like, yeah, yeah. Maybe five to 10 more sign up on the free level. And I realized the last little bit, I was like, Oh, Oh wow.
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That's nice. Welcome. Exactly. We appreciate y'all's interest and it makes me feel good. And, having little nibblers at the fishing rod. We don't pay any of you to
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do that. Except Alana's family. we don't pay him? No, we don't.
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That's right. And this is not a paid app. We are loyal, loyal listeners. Right. Oh my god. Y'all or are the realest.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so I just... We're just ready to talk about stuff. there's but I have things, like talking points that I have been like... I feel like we've... Every time... as We haven't needed.
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No! We're so excited to talk to each other. i'm gonna put it... I'll put it all in like a Reddit... Jesus, Reddit. I'm looking at too much at the word Reddit and things. um Like we do those good Patreon ones where it's like Alana saves and like i things we find on the internet that are super amusing and there were things that I just knew you wouldn't have heard about as much because they're like trending on Reddit and things like that like okay wedding Reddit
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has okay there was this one like the thing that i was like oh i want to talk about it it came up on like two or three different podcasts patreon i was like people that are on the internet oh damn well it was yeah it was uh kind of a bridezilla and they named their um wedding party gemily because it was like emily and i don't know jared or something it's like i've heard about gemily on three different podcasts now But anyway, I thought you were going to start talking about Taylor Swift and bri and Travis Kelsey being married by Adam Sandler.
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That's the tackiest thing I can imagine. The first time I read it, I went, oh, Adam Sandler went to your wedding. And then it was like the next thing I saw, I was like, Adam Sandler officiates their wedding. and went Oh, shit.
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Oh, he officiates? Oh, yeah. I was like, okay. I didn't know you were that good of friends. I i did not expect. I know he had surprise at all that he went by. He's kind of beloved in Hollywood.
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i hope he I hope he didn't wear his short long shorts, though. I hope he dressed up a little. Because he's known for dressing like a man. like his white t-shirt or his like jersey.
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always wear but you lay the nicest and like takes all his like cast and crew on like vacations and stuff too so you're like yeah i've heard he's pretty good pretty down to earth he likes to pay like pick up games of basketball with like people in new york and stuff yeah you do gotta love quote unquote celeb that's just like me you know they're still down to earth i'll take the millions of dollars in the bank account too Yeah, yeah.
Exploring Conspiracies and True Crime
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But also, like, I was gonna tell you that I had heard they had verified the Havana syndrome conspiracy was, like, oh really real. It's like, yes, these are like we've heard things that I haven't even been able to, like, look into or...
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mention that i heard about this on something and i'm like we talked about this freaking oh yeah we'll have to do to like an updates thing yeah that's true i know some shows that do that like true crime headline updates especially when there's Yeah, because we've had, we had one. It was my spring break crimes episode.
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That girl. um i covered her case. I'm sorry. I can't remember. Yeah, Brittany something. i covered her case and then it was like, Drexler? I think so.
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And it was like a month later they solved it. I was like, oh. that's must be such a relief to the family and everything like yeah it's all you can ever hope for for a cold case oh like yeah that's and that have been a while to see yeah yeah like something's confirmed rather there was um sort of infamously a lot of podcasts or people that covered that one really unfavorably towards her friends yeah yeah and all like their addresses yeah click on social yeah yeah there was a lot of that going around at the time yeah
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yeah it's tough you gotta be careful what you say on the on the mic and stuff yeah speculating yeah you can like present like the theories and um or like suspects if you will but yeah it's uh especially if it involves people that young like you really don't know and turns out it had absolutely nothing to do with them so like no you net you really do never know people are like people were so confident that like these people had done it and they must be the shittiest people ever and and everything like that and it's like well turns out they weren't involved at all like
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No, there were practically strangers that like just preyed on her, right? I don't really... It was like one guy he was like some like sex offender creepy guy or something that someone took it was just in the area. Yeah.
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of Yeah. Sorry. well if yeah Maybe we'll have an have an updates episode with a few things we can yeah talk about again ah yeah no there there is some for sure that we have to like in ourgoy backlog catalog backlog catalog i don't know of the last 216 episodes yes just crazy At least you didn't say the one. I think the funniest, used to love misheard song lyrics. And this is along those lines. They were reading a review on how did this get made? A movie review someone posted.
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And they wrote that, well, I'm just glad they got their cum muffins. The bad guy got their cum muffins.
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was like Oh, yeah. I need a segment on mis... I miss sayings and oh I love that shit it makes me laugh so hard yeah sometimes i see something online and I'm just like do you and I want to be like is English your first language are you like actually just phonetically spelling something right now because sometimes it's like That is in no way that word.
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Like, I know what you're typing, but that is in no way that word or that saying. no i seriously saved a post today because I had to, it was like, what word were you like way too old when you learned you were like saying it wrong or something?
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Well, I remember it was in in school. It was like a riddle. And I always think of it now when I see something like that, where it's like, that's clearly not that.
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And it's like really phonetic or just spelled so terribly because it was the riddle was like, oh, this guy is um he's trying to buy like a bull and whatever. Like, yeah. And ah he is in like another town or something and he has to do a ah like telegraph and he can only afford one word on the telegraph but he has to tell his brother that they're going to pick up the bull so they're like what's one word that you could telegraph that he would know but
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And it's comfortable. The word is comfortable because comfortable. Oh, my God. No. I did not see that coming. So now, yeah. and I was like, we learned this riddle in school. Yeah.
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Comfortable. Comfortable. ah just Comfortable. It's great. So every time I see a word where I'm just like, mm. No, or it's like, that's phonetic. Like, I always go, comfortable. Comfortable.
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Comfortable. Comfortable. You really can play with language, can't you? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's been like 15, almost 20 years since i I heard that riddle for the first time. i always go, come for the boat. Come the boat. Oh, it's a riddle. was like, wait. Because, yeah, you do hear the ones.
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Yeah, it's like a little riddle. Yeah. Or if you like mix up a saying, it's like a mixed maliform. I don't know. There's so many different names for those things. Oh, my gosh. and Yeah.
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Yeah. That's funny. Comfortable. Yeah. Yeah, so that's always what I think of when I see something like that. Stay for the steak. i don't know yeah
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Gordo's just beside me snoring. So cute. I was wondering, we haven't heard of him. He's going to... Alright, yeah we best not wake the beast then. No. No.
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he's ready oh what is he doing yeah he's ready he's already asleep he doesn't need any more stories he's comfortable yeah
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uh love it yeah um yeah oh yeah the patreon is out we did mention that right we were just and then we passed by i think so yeah both parts your whole set like it was almost like two whole episodes because you're they were long was like hour and a half each you talked about two weird fucking lakes a spawn lake and a lightning lake and yeah and all sorts of cool history with those two and then yeah my segment was also like an hour so it's like What the hell? Ley lines and Canada's Stonehenge. So go check it out, guys.
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know Yeah. Sorry. I did some research on what we wanted to do ah like folklore in Africa again, because it had been a while. And then I specifically wanted to do Kenya just because of my family.
Cultural Insights on Kenya
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I think it was my aunt. She lived there for about five years. And I've never had a chance to visit. um But just with like growing up and having like all these different like artifacts and stuff that my family brought back with them, I always thought it was really interesting. so I was like, oh, I want to.
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learn a little bit so i have like some information there's obviously like so much more um you could talk about but drone drone on for like 30 hours uh yeah let's like well let's say they have a rich history i guess it' absolutely ah yeah so this is like tiny barely surface level thing and then i do have like a little story because i like some of the stories yeah when we're researching different countries and everything um yeah we don't have any proper like folklore stories for um don't know not canadians that are white Like, we don't have the indigenous folklore stories. We might know some of our heritage ones from, like, Europe, I guess, but, like, not really, so it's something.
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I don't think there is anything that's, like, truly, um yeah, that's, like, recently Canadian. yeah well just like i don't really think there's a whole lot that's like american either like i wouldn't say there's necessarily american folklore um that wouldn't be just like taken from indigenous people that lived here before we did before yeah me yeah but like there's like the cryptid places the small towns and they'll lean into their their famous cryptids and your your Jersey Devils and your your Mothmans and whatnot. Yeah. Which is nice. Anyway, sorry.
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um Yeah, so Kenya ah is... um Yeah, so this is like kind of background-y stuff. It's known, i guess, for its incredible diversity.
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it has beautiful landscapes. I saw lots of stuff with like... really big cities um so like super tall like skyscraper type buildings all the way to like um safaris that you can do that's like straight out in the desert uh and everything in between which i think a lot of people forget about they maybe think africa and they only think about safaris or only think about villages they don't think about yeah like big cities and know Yeah, and they have like rich economies and all that kind of stuff. I think people do a disservice in not remembering that like they are
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not what the world health commercials you see only about starving kids and people needing vaccinations and please donate like only representing the poorer regions yeah yeah yeah you do see the pyramids which is in Africa and Egypt and then there's like but then you never see the city beside it they always take the photo where you just see the freaking um desert Instagram angle yeah yeah so it's just like anywhere right um
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There's people that are struggling and people that are thriving and everything in between. But it's got, I'd say, ah probably one of like the richest like cultural heritage um cool that I see. I always think it's really beautiful when I see pictures and I think like the feeling of community and everything is really big.
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Yeah. And different tribes and everything. And I guess Kenya specifically has over 40 ethnic groups that live in the country. Yeah, so it's a lot. Yeah.
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Yeah, very diverse, but they kind of all um have some similarities and stuff, but there's still like a unity to the people that live in Kenya. um But of these ethnic groups, like a bunch have their own languages, traditions and customs that they follow. And this makes Kenya a very popular place to visit in Africa. And they do love to go hey I really would too. um I know a girl at work, one of our managers, she's from Africa. She's actually taking her, think it's her two sons. um
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They're like under, just under 10, I think. And they've never been, i think she said. And she's taking them there this summer. They're leaving fairly soon and they're going to be, got she's on vacation for five weeks with them.
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So I think that's great. and No It's so nice. i can imagine like a lot of their lives they she couldn't go because of COVID and stuff like that.
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so that's true yeah, that's very true. Oh, yeah. Such a big chunk of time. like those Those kids, if they're under 10, holy. Yeah, especially kids. Like, they don't remember. they won't remember the first four years, hardly. So, like.
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feel bad my kid was, like, in some pretty formative years when COVID was happening. I'm like, oh, yeah. you're just, like, a teenager. You just want your, like, high school experience. I mean, not that everyone loves high school. I didn't. But, you know, it's just, like. yeah ah people having to go to school on zoom and stuff was just woof a lot that would have been my nightmare like literally yeah uh so obviously with there being like 40 ethnic groups there's a lot you can talk about um but i'm gonna talk about like some of
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what is this the four kind of most common don't want to call them most popular but maybe um most discussed um that people might have heard of so there's this first one group I definitely had uh Swahili people um okay yeah so they live primarily along the coast uh in Kenya because it is like right along the side kind of like in what, the eastern, like, southeastern section of kind of the little, like, part they're in. um Yeah, so they're right along the coast, and their blend of African, Arab, and Persian cultures,
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um and these this, like, blend of these different countries, continents, um influences their language and their architecture and cuisine um so I did find it like a few pictures and stuff so yeah yeah the Swahili clothing is a lot of like wraps and they really like their bead work and everything which is really common in Kenya um same with like the clothing wraps and everything very colorful eh
00:26:45
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Yeah, it's just beautiful. we We could do with some more color and fun, fun clothing here too. I find like um India too. Camo? My pants are camo.
00:26:58
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yeah but cancer but I want the opposite of camouflage. I want to be the most neon focal point. I feel like I used to dress nicer, even if it was just my Value Village long wool coat and, I don't know, stupid high heels. I'm like, now I want to be comfy.
00:27:21
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Yeah. like Welcome to your 30s. Right? You get to a place where you're like, I just, fashion is great, but also ah have to be comfortable. Yeah.
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oh man the next is like the kalingen they're known for their deep-rooted traditions of long distance running which they're they have produced a lot or a quite large number of world-class athletes as a result i think the one said like okay is it usain bolt um he's from this group um yeah so just known that's the one where they like run and run and run and run after like animals and stuff because the animals will tire before they do it's like crazy oh so for like hunting wow yeah that's really where it like um i've heard it comes from but crazy endurance yeah
00:28:23
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Yeah, like that's what a lot of it is. So yeah, they're known for that. um So obviously... Wicked cardio. Yeah. Yeah, must have really strong lungs and hearts and yeah, good good cardio. Yeah. Damn.
00:28:43
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That's crazy. um The Kikuyu people, they have... i tried I think I tried looking up some more about some of these, but they didn't have a whole lot. yeah um But it said they have a detailed initiation ceremony that they do for like boys and girls that are reaching their adulthood. um And during this ceremony...
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Kind of like with other um countries around the world, they learn more about their cultural heritage and like responsibilities they have and like what adulthood means and all that kind of stuff.
00:29:22
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you're coming Your coming of age sort of ceremony. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
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And then this group I have a bit more about than the other ones. This is the Maasai group. ah They're known for their really vibrant shukas or these clothing wraps that they wear. They're almost like um almost like plaid, like a tartan kind of. um Yeah.
00:29:53
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A lot of it's like crisscrossing. You know audience. Yeah. yeah'm Just kidding. ah Crisscrossing, intersecting lines and everything. They're known for that and they sell them. A lot of times they're red.
00:30:07
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um Love a bold red. Yeah. They're also really known for like just tiny intricate beadwork that they do.
00:30:18
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um They also have like very traditional dances and this pastoral lifestyle. um Meaning they like follow.
00:30:29
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um They're kind of like semi semi-nomadic. Oh, so like if maybe kind of following the herds or something. i don't worry. A little bit, like to a certain point.
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Okay. um Yeah. And they're one of the few tribes that like in the 20th century here have continued their traditional customs and lifestyle, like more so than some of the other tribes have. um The Maasai are semi-nema semi-nomadic yeah and they live in the southern area of Kenya and in northern Tanzania. Yeah.
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And as with other ah cultures, ah cows are like a highly sacred animal um and like really important. And they actually center their lives around the herding of cattle as well as goats.
00:31:26
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So they're really important um to their lives. Okay. I know that is important in some cultures. Okay. yeah um interesting the messiah believe that want to say like nk or nk um their god created cows specifically for them to like look after and like protect yeah okay and cute yeah i thought that was nice and was like oh excuse me yeah um
00:32:02
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Yeah, so they, like, protect the cows and they rely on them and everything ah for income through trading, um for other goods that they might need. that They also sell their milk as well as um they aren't one of the groups that, like, won't eat cows or, like, um they do eat the cows as needed, I guess. Yeah. okay yeah because they're still like yeah oh yeah um they still hold like a really important place um that's interesting because it is kind of weird how like in their lives horses you know they're in the same animal family they're hooved animals like cows and yet we don't
00:32:50
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Maybe because we don't ride them around, we don't seem to like value them as more than meat and stuff. I don't know. It's kind of weird, but. Interesting.
00:33:01
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I mean, yeah, if people are hungry enough, eat. I can't. Yeah, I have the meat eaters dilemma where I'm like, I love beef and pork. And yet I also would like get in the, you know, thing with the little piggies and like play with them because I just love. Yeah. Like pigs are sweet animals and cows are those i eat calves will lick your sleeves off with their rough tongues. So cool.
00:33:31
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yeah Like a cat. Yeah. I could play at being a farmer at King's Landing, but not be a real one. Yeah. I i definitely eat a lot less meat than I used to when I was younger. but okay Yeah. ah Like on purpose? Yeah, my parents used Not really. Just like over time. Just like... Yeah, learning more about like...
00:34:01
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I don't know, even like portions. And then just obviously the last 10 years having to buy my own groceries. I'm more conscious of the cost of meat. ah Steak is crazy expensive, but whatever steak I don't eat, like Pat will just eat. So I'm just always like, eh.
00:34:17
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Yeah, I'm over there being like, oh, this is one like giant steak. I can make this into two or three steaks for myself and some trimmings that I could add to a stew. And now I've stretched this one steak to like two or three meals. And it's like, I feel a bit better.
00:34:34
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Yeah, the pork tenderloins and you can get them to slice them down for you. Yeah, that's what Pat would do at the Save-On sometimes. and you're like, okay, that's pretty smart. Yeah, but yeah, it's true. It's, you know, it's good to cut down for sure.
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but yeah um ah Warriors in the Maasai culture also very important ah with men being trained from a young age to hunt and then as well as protect their families and the herds from pre predators that might attack.
00:35:12
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um so the messai yeah their clothing they're really known for wearing this really vibrant red clothing ah it's helps symbolize their culture and is believed to ward off wild animals like think there was some thought to that a long time ago with like bulls and everything too like charging at red and oh they do that kind of stuff wasn't there yeah yeah ah They're colorful and intricately beaded necklaces, bracelets, and other jewelry. It's popular. It's worn by both like men and women. And they're really, really intricate with each color and design carrying different meanings. They can even be used to represent or tell a story.
00:36:05
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And so um wearing more of the jewelry or having more colors can be a way to represent social status, as well as age and resilience.
00:36:21
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And traditionally people of a higher social status where we're more colorful and elaborate designs. And um yeah, they make this jewelry from many natural materials like wood, bone, as well as metal and glass. And then they also um fashion it out of like different animal parts.
00:36:43
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um So like the bone And then i actually have necklaces that have like porcupine quills um that are kind of crazy. ah That were by ants. I can show you. i took They're from Africa. I took pictures of like all the stuff because I have some stuff.
00:37:00
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um They have porcupines?
00:37:05
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I thought you meant someone like like be like because it sounds very much like the indigenous people here with the beadwork and the carving and stuff. Yeah. she's like This is the one necklace. I have like three of them.
00:37:20
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so it's like the real and they're very, very like pointy. Gorda wants to sniff it. And then it's got like the beads and everything. It's very Black Panther.
00:37:33
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Yes. But yeah like African porcupines? Or like what the heck? They have porcupines. yeah Damn, it's very pointy. yeah, they're very, very pointy.
00:37:47
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And then
00:37:52
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then... She's rummaging. Yeah, i I took pictures of all this stuff. So it'll be ah on the website when we post the episode. You guys can go look at like some of the stuff I have.
00:38:08
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I'll post it for the two listeners that are on Instagram also. no just Yeah. So I have like bracelets. These are like hair pics. cool.
00:38:22
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um and that's like woven street um yeah yellow green yeah black yeah edmonton and gordo's foot there's gordo's foot oh Oh, don't touch the laptop, buddy. You're going to close something. Yeah, and there's like ah one that's just like you um the like woven reed. yeah, these are like hair pics.
00:38:48
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um Oh, yeah. It does kind of look like a fro pic. A wooden fro pic or something. Yeah. And then this, this they always told me was a wallet.
00:38:59
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So it like you put your money inside of it and then this part like goes inside. But it's also like, it's just like inside the reed. Like it's, but it's like purple and yellow and a woven sort of.
00:39:14
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Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's broken in the one part. It's like damaged. So yeah. Cause this stuff is very old now. But like, yeah, it's interesting that like the different indigenous people of different places sort of will have some similar bead working or like, I feel like i have a person that someone gave me that was from the Philippines that had like a woven pattern like that. And I was like, yeah.
00:39:43
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Like the way you see like, yeah, if you have like a wooden chair and then you have like kind of the woven like seat made of whatever reeds or you know whatever the fuck yes read well I think a lot of this too is like my aunt um she owned a craft store here so like she was always into like homemade things and um oh all that kind of stuff so I feel like yeah was always interested in like what people were doing and like the effort that was going into stuff.
00:40:15
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So like this one was always cool. This is like a necklace. um And it is actually a letter. It's a Zulu love letter. ah oh and it says i yeah it and they have the um translation which I was caught thought was kind of funny um who says I know you have no cattle to pay labola with which to exchange for a wife but I will wait until you got it and that's when it says
00:40:49
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And it's like ah spelled in beads, like, but it's like in the hey their language. um Like a bead, what do they call that language they use in the military or whatever. It's not coming to me right now.
00:41:07
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Morse code. It's like, oh, yeah. Spelling it out. Wow. And then, yeah, like these are, this is one of the bracelets. Oh, yeah. It looks like beads also something.
00:41:20
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Yeah, and they're teeny, teeny, tiny beads. Pattern. And so colorful. Then these ones are like flowers, like tiny flowers. I always liked going to the, yeah, the little stores, like the...
00:41:35
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your 10 000 villages or we had one back home that was yeah called like cultures or something it would have like worry dolls these are like redoos and like all different cultural like yeah traditional work and but these are like the tiniest beads like they're yeah so so tiny they're like yeah like barely bigger than like the um like the eye of a needle like they're so small yes I feel like they call them like a seed beads in like maybe some of the Native Americans I don't know because like the size yeah it's like so smaller than most seeds yeah then this one's like a um a belt that's like oh cool pattern all the way across colorful pattern
00:42:22
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colorful pattern Yeah. But yeah. And then I have a bunch of like wooden carved statues and stuff. no Mostly of animals and everything. um And I have... a might have to show on town. Like napkin rings. I know. Such a great... ah visual medium isn't yeah no no yeah like i said i took i took nice pictures of everything so if anybody's interested in like seeing specifically what i was showing alana some of the stuff uh and more you can go on to the website it'll be there do a live on instagram maybe i think you might have to have a certain number of followers before you could do that actually yeah
00:43:11
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And then we have a i couldn't find the exact one, but apparently they're semi-popular. I don't know. my Somebody, either my grandma or my aunt, brought back a copper like clock that's the whole, so it's shaped like the continent of Africa, and then it's a clock, and then it had a couple animals on it, and it used to have an elephant with like tusks on it, but I think the tusks broke or something. Cool.
00:43:39
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And I haven't seen it in a number of years, but I did find something that looks very similar what I remember. um It just doesn't have all the detail from the map behind it, but it would look like this.
00:43:51
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like it is a map and it's copper. oh like but that's a clock it's like a wall clock and they're very very heavy and they're like i don't know probably like two meters across or like a not a meter like a foot a across um yeah meters like three feet yeah like not a meter i see i like that it looks like a map but like with things yeah like sim like the symbols yeah of what you might find they're kind of standing out on it like a big version of yeah um
00:44:24
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I'm not sure what exactly, but like, yeah, the the pyramids or whatever. i was like, okay, that's cute. ah It's a great shape. Honestly, I've seen, forget what show, like there was at least one reality show where the one lady had, ah you know, she's African American or whatever. So she would always to show her heritage. She'd have like earrings that were in the shape of the continent of Africa. was like, God damn, there's so many cool African earrings. Yeah.
00:44:51
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Yeah. love the jewelry really like when people put like their passion and everything into making something and sharing it with people i think that's really nice um oh yeah totally it's just something you can buy that's unique they put their own spin on it like yeah it's not 10 million things yeah um yeah so getting into Some more stuff. Again, I found the most about like the Maasai people. So I guess before the European colonization of Africa, the Maasai as a tribe occupied most of the fertile lands.
00:45:30
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um So they were like heat way huger. And they lived in harmony, sharing the land with the wildlife for hundreds of years. and then Wow.
00:45:42
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ah Kind of starting in 1904 1911, kind of similar to here um in Canada and in the U.S. where like treaties were signed by like a few members of the tribes. And this caused the Maasai people to lose about two thirds of their land.
00:46:04
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And they were forced to relocate to some of the less fertile parts ah um that ended up being in southern Kenya and northern Tanzania, kind of where they are now.
00:46:15
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damn. Yes. Yeah. Yes. But despite this, they, as a people, were were able to retain most of their traditions. They must have worked really hard to.
00:46:28
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um And they kept a lot of their lifestyle and even today haven't really adopted to more of the modern conveniences, you'd call it. But obviously there is like continued threats as like Kenya just continues to develop ah as a country.
00:46:50
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And with the ongoing transformations of the like rural areas trying to keep up with growing populations, it kind of is just happening.
00:47:01
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Like they're having to put in infrastructure and everything. So as like populations grow, ah Keep up with the times. Yeah. um So as more land is being developed, the Maasai and their livestock, along with the other wildlife in the area, are kind of still being pushed out. Yeah.
00:47:22
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Yeah. ah Yeah, I wanted to mention that because I feel like that can definitely be parallels to North America here where similar things happened with like treaties and people losing their land. And yeah, I mean, here we had like reservations and stuff that a lot of people were more like forced onto and everything. And yeah.
00:47:51
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yeah and not not uh the least of which was the places they were like yeah they called it the trail of tears so many people died relocated but yeah it was definitely not just us britain gone yeah lot places to we learned it from our ancestors yeah jesus um Yeah, but um Kenya specifically, I guess, its history is preserved pretty well in a bunch of archaeological sites.
00:48:26
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um So there's an old city of... oh shoot. I should have looked up how to pronounce this. i'm just trying Now watching a video. I'm trying to say the word, please.
00:48:40
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Oh, okay. I got it.
00:48:44
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That's so funny. I was like, good. I have to be anyway. um Sorry. Yeah, apparently it's like a World Heritage Site or something as well. ah Oh, UNESCO? Yeah. So it's like ah the old city of Gady.
00:49:03
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Apparently it was like just... I don't know, i just read it was like up and abandoned, like by all of the population in one day, but it was like a huge thriving a city of like 2500 people. And it was located along the coast.
00:49:20
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Yeah. Historical mystery abandons ditty. That's been a really important place for history, as well as a prehistoric great rift or the prehistoric Great Rift Valley, which contains some of the first human fossils.
00:49:42
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Oh, wow. That's where life started. Some of the oldest fossils in the world. um So, yeah, it's really important um sites in Kenya that have been ah located and studied, hopefully respectfully. The first Jurassic Park.
00:50:03
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Oh, the DNA from the dinosaur. Yeah.
00:50:08
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Oh my gosh. Cool. Yeah. I do have a couple things about language and then a couple of things about like festival celebrations.
00:50:22
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um So like for languages um yeah the one I always heard about was like Swahili. It's also known as Kiswahili Kiswahili.
00:50:38
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ah It's a mixture of Bantu, Arabic, ah Persian, and Portuguese elements kind of like all together.
00:50:49
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think that's what happens just when like so many countries are nearby. Everybody kind of like influences each other. and we just don't get that in North America. um yeah It's like... Different... Happens a lot. French dialects maybe here in Canada. But yeah. But different French dialects in Africa too. I think it's funny sometimes people will be like, oh, that sounds like your typical French man on a podcast eating a baguette. And I'm like...
00:51:17
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you mean a Frenchman from France because people speak French in a lot of fucking country they like yeah like it's just like being like a typical Englishman something you're like not these days there's a lot people that speak English or whatever and yeah oh yeah um Yeah. Sorry. So um Swahili serves as a national language along with English, as you mentioned it. So like English is still all known there.
00:51:52
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then... and then um Kenya's motto Harambee actually means like pull together which I thought was really cool um and it helps reflect the country's collective spirit yeah ah it reflects the country's collective spirit despite it's like huge diversity of people like I said there's like over 40 groups so like the pull together or Harambee is like We're all together still, even though there's so many like differences with people. But wait, is that all you- Do you have more on Harambee? I thought that was also a name of a famous gorilla. Yeah.
00:52:40
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Okay. Just wondering if I was- but so That's just a named gorilla. know!
00:52:48
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I just was like, I've heard this before. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And then the Maasai people, they speak ah Ma, which is a language similar to Samburu, which is spoken by the Samburu people that live in more so in central Kenya.
00:53:09
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And the Ma language is related to Kamen, spoken in the south and the southeast of Lake Baringo, which is west central Kenya.
00:53:22
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And Ma is mostly spoken or is a mostly spoken language and there actually isn't ah like a written language for it. So, yeah. um So the Ma language itself exists primarily through like the stories, songs and folklore that is passed down through generations verbally.
00:53:48
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o Like we're doing now. The Maasai people also commonly speak English and Swahili. so Okay, cool.
00:54:01
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Same as we kind of talked about like... Swahili? Sounds so exotic. Excuse me. And then they do have like a few festivals that I guess are popular if people are traveling. Obviously, it's popular with the people living there, but then people that are visiting and everything. um sometimes are uh like invited or encouraged to participate in like different festivals or celebrations so there's like the Mombasa carnival which kind of looked like a like a parade um but it's a celebration of like the coastal cultures uh so there's like dancing and music and uh
00:54:45
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like a parade aspect of like all the different groups and everything. Oh, that's fun. A gathering. Yeah. Yes. And then there's the Maasai Mara Cultural Festival, which helps incorporate the Maasai traditions along with their traditional dancing and storytelling.
00:55:06
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ah Their best known dance, which I did get a couple pictures of, it's called a Dumu.
00:55:17
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And or it's called the jumping dance. And it's traditionally performed by a group of men who take turns jumping like literally as high as they can.
00:55:28
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in a show of strength and to try and attract a wife so sometimes it like the pictures some of the pictures i found of them doing this their feet are like above the other people's heads like and they've just like jumped straight up taking off just straight and jumping straight straight up it's not like they're jumping and then lifting their legs and like crouching down like they're standing straight up and like the bottom of their feet are above other people's heads like they've jumped in the air their legs are straight and they're like six feet in the air and it's like they're like like that's crazy yeah you're like you should come over and do the um high jump or yeah the long jump sounds less like a dance and more like an olympic sport and just yeah i'm sure that's why um some of these places are like athletes and
00:56:23
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And then they really related to that French pole vaulter that jumped so high that his dick got caught on the pole or whatever. remember. ah I'm so sorry, my guy. i tried to look up your name, but you'll forever be that French guy. stupid Yeah. Same with... What was happening with that Olympics? They had that guy, and then they had that um like target shooter guy that like didn't even use the sight thing. He just like shot... like I don't know that one. of oh
00:56:57
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People are like, damn! Yeah. He didn't even use half the equipment and he got like cold.
00:57:06
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He just walks over and he's like, boom. And it's like, oh, can we do an episode even if it's not? Yeah, like paranormal or whatever. where It's just like infamous Olympics. Yeah. yeah we talked about that the history of the olympics oh yeah there were some early ones that were fairly wild and i'm sure it fit a crime when you were like feeding people brandy and stuff and keeping them on the race have some strychnine and some brandy and get back out there
00:57:37
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yeah Oh, my God. um Yeah. So another really popular ah festival is the Rift Valley Music Festival, which is a blend of both local and more international music.
00:57:53
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um So there's like bands that are like touring and everything and that go um it looked like a huge like hundreds of thousands of people must attend I looked up pictures it looks like any other music festival you've seen giant giant stage it just happens to kind of be in the surrounded by sand and like dirt like how we ended up talking about Glastonbury and ah the ley lines and soon as you said music festival i was like I thought there was something like that yeah
00:58:25
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yeah Kelsey's more into the scene thats i do it's been I like music festivals even though I've only been to two and one of them was here in our city and it was one day but the other one was four days and it was glorious no you're a great lover and appreciator different kinds of art music film I love it I do I could do without the camping on the ground with no mattress or nothing for three nights. Yeah. yeah
00:59:02
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down ah Yeah. Yeah. So anyone wishing to travel to Kenya and visit our, according to these travel websites I looked at, are typically welcomed and allowed to attend these events. Typically.
00:59:18
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cool um It did mention some things to keep in mind ah that ah in Kenya, there is a deep, deep respect for like elders um in Kenyan society. So showing them like difference or like deferring to them. such as giving them your seat ah or giving them first or greeting them first, sorry, as a sign of respect. So like always just deferring to them. a
00:59:50
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Obviously like dressing modestly, especially in more rural areas and along the coast would be important. And... Yes.
01:00:03
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I like this deferring to your elders. Yeah. don't seem to do that so much all the time now here. No. When sharing meals, it's polite to taste any food that's offered.
01:00:18
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like taste everything as a sign of respect or appreciation. seems pretty worldwide. Yeah. um I've heard this one before. I don't know if it's Another culture that does it too, but eating with your right hand ah is the normal, like norm thing to do in a traditional setting. um Because the other hand might be the poopy hand. I think I've heard that somewhere. Yeah. Some culture and or another. Yep. I mean, you got a good hand or a better hand. Yeah. We do wash our hands now, but still it's it's cool.
01:01:00
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um yeah so uh getting into like a folklore story um it's very important in kenyan tradition um as i said like the one um the ma language like doesn't even have a written version of it so like folklore told through oral history and storytelling is passed from one generation to the next um as like a way of passing cultural knowledge and stories are recognized as one of the most powerful means of communication in Kenya.
01:01:32
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Um, and this is done through like sharing of words, songs, chants, sayings, and proverbs. Um, and these can include not only myths and legends, but also like we have stories to teach morals and educate enlighten or inspire and they're ingrained in like everyday life uh there
01:01:57
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and this was cute there's things called tales by moonlight also known as Fireside Tales, which is like campfire stories because they're commonly told by adults to groups of children around a village fire.
01:02:15
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i was like, oh, Tales by Moonlight. That's what some names. Reminds me of camp, yeah. very Yeah. ah These stories that are shared are meant to prepare young people for life, teach them something, or even just explain their origin, ah explain the origins of the tribe, or like explain their laws.
01:02:41
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And Kenyan folk tales commonly center around different types of animals and can vary from tribe to tribe. But they often or commonly include like the hare, leopards, snakes, and lions.
01:02:59
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okay. ah So I have one that has...
01:03:07
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Does it have any of these? Folklore creatures. I was going say, I ran across a couple those creatures in some of my yeah stories. A couple of the first stories I was reading had like a hair in it. And I was like, oh.
01:03:22
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But I found different one. Don't you hate when the story you're reading has a hair in it? You pick it up. yeah'm Just kidding. Yeah. number sorry i'm so dumb um no no i had a couple stories with that too but mine i don't think they were not specifically kenyan may have come yeah i'll i'll double check so i was like oh yeah there's just like powerful sort of animals or whatever you know o yeah so i have a the story's like a little over a page and a half maybe It's called Why Zebras Have Striped Skins. o
01:04:02
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I love the the hook of the title already. Why? Why do they? So this was from, hold on, hold on.
01:04:14
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oh well, I think that's where I got the story from. ah John Tymon.com. I don't know why your link doesn't work, but I'm pretty sure this is where the story was typed out.
01:04:27
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Okay, yeah, yeah. I feel like there's various retellings sometimes online. Yeah. Yeah. ah So it said, long ago before people started taming any other animal apart from the dog, it was said that donkeys could also be tamed.
01:04:45
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Oh, good luck. I'm going to tame that donkey. Yeah. It's going to smash that ass. Oh my god. I'm sorry. This rumor was told by one man who went to the bush to hunt. After killing the animal he had hunted, he found that it was very heavy for him to carry alone.
01:05:06
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So he decided to find a way by which he could carry his prey. And as he was thinking, he saw a donkey pass nearby in the bush. All of a sudden, an idea came into his head.
01:05:20
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He thought if he took his prey and put it on the back of the donkey, it would help him carry his load. Whoa. He's like the OG guy that's like, a donkey can carry this?
01:05:34
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Yeah. He's the origin of the term pack mule. God, probably. ah So he went after the donkey and he put the load on its back easily for it did not attack him or run away. Okay. He led the way until they reached his compound. After unloading the donkey, he gave it food and it ate with appreciation. And from this time on, this man kept the donkey.
01:06:05
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This story went around that somebody had tamed a donkey. So the donkey was famous for its hard work and throughout the village and the surrounding area.
01:06:15
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like he's a lion tamer or something. Okay. okay um no People wanted to satisfy their curiosity and they soon set out to hunt for donkeys and use them to carry heavy loads.
01:06:31
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Okay, right. So they're not like hunting them to kill them. No, they're just going to use them for manual labor. Hot damn. And then there were no more wild donkeys. ah Yeah. ah ah Donkeys did not know what was going on or what was going on up to this time. But they came to understand only after most of their friends had been taken away.
01:07:04
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Oh god. Yeah, just roaming everywhere. Oh my
01:07:21
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yeah like isn and just wild donks roaming everywhere ah Shrek! Shrek, help me! They're coming for me! Oh my god.
01:07:33
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um This problem really worried the donkeys and many of their kind had been captured and the rumors they heard were horrifying. Rumor had it that those donkeys which had been captured were working too much and they were given only enough food to keep them going.
01:07:51
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Oh no. They've been enslaved like the horses! no. yeah hopefully we treat them a little better now this was horse people yeah this was indeed frightening and the rest of the donkeys decided to act quickly lest they become victims of circumstance like their unfortunate friends indentured servants damn it's like a donkey uprising It really is, because then they they therefore held an impromptu meeting.
01:08:28
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meeting of the donkeys. I know, I was like, I liked this story when I was reading it. was like, these donkeys are unionizing. Yeah.
01:08:40
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yeah We should do an episode Animals Against Crimes. it's like There's one about emu war. They tried to get rid of too they had too many emus in like Australia. yeah.
01:08:51
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And then also I think they tried to kill out coyotes and coyotes were like, I think the fuck not. Yeah, probably. those things are crazy. like cockroaches.
01:09:04
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Yeah. So the donkeys held a meeting here. They discussed what should be done about the whole problem. And one donkey suggested that they should seek help from the hare since he was known to be cunning and clever.
01:09:17
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And all agreed that hair should be asked for advice. See, it now i I was like, isn't there a hair in my story? Yeah, but she seems like a trickster.
01:09:29
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he sounds like a Loki type they're when they're describing him. He's coming. Yeah, a little bit maybe. Yeah, does that count he's out for himself? Resourceful. yeah Yeah. We will see.
01:09:41
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Yeah, so the next morning the donkey representative went to see Hare. The donkey rep, okay. Yeah, who was only too willing to help.
01:09:53
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Hare asked him to tell all his friends to come to his compound early the next morning. ah This they did, and when they arrived, they found Hare with whitewash in a huge can ready to act.
01:10:06
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As the donkeys were not fast enough in thinking, they wondered how whitewash would have would have any anything to do with their problem. and Hare decided to explain, but they seemed rather stubborn.
01:10:20
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And nobody was willing to be the first one to be experimented on. What? I thought whitewash was really kind of painted outside white. is that what we're talking about here?
01:10:33
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yeah uh finally one donkey volunteered and stepped forward and immediately hair set to work he started painting stripes of whitewash on the donkey's skin and soon the donkey had black and white stripes instead of being plain black or gray see you already forgot the title of this story I was like, this is fence. This is what you do to fence. Before the term took on other iterations as, you know, history moved on. Whitewashing.
01:11:07
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took on an entirely new meeting. so I'm just like fascinated. Sorry, i I'm hanging on. but yeah, I don't. I don't know that what's going on. Yeah, it's a cute little story. Okay.
01:11:20
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As the first donkey was painted over, the other donkeys admired him, and they all started wishing they could look like their friend. Oh, gosh. The moment that followed was full of struggle and scrambling over who could reach the paint, or who should reach the paint first.
01:11:37
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Aha. Okay.
01:11:44
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ah it happened that after a number of donkeys had been painted one donkey pushed to the front with such force that he stepped in the bucket that contained the whitewash and they're the bucket overturned pouring out all of the paint and this was the end of everything the remaining donkeys were helpless because they were ah they were the unfortunate ones Poor unfortunate souls. Okay. Why? Because they didn't get baited?
01:12:17
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Yeah. Hare told them that he could not help them anymore because the fault had been theirs. And so although the aggressive donkey was cursed for his bad act, nothing was done for their betterment. For the spilt plait.
01:12:32
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for the spilt paint could not be recovered. Ooh. Uh... Yes. Spilt milk. milk Yeah.
01:12:43
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Uh, hence those donkeys that had been painted were safe from people's reach, and they were the lucky ones and changed their name from donkeys to zebras. Not zebra! And this name set them apart.
01:12:55
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i want to be a zebra. Oh, God, I love it. I love that accent. Um... Yeah, this name set them apart from the unfortunate donkeys who after this were all captured by men and taken away to work for them.
01:13:12
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Damn. They were less fortunate and that is why they continue to be known as donkeys. That's the end. I mean, they're known for being loud and almost complaining. Hee haw, hee haw.
01:13:29
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Yeah. Do you ever... Oh my god, I forget. There's like a comedian who um Is he from somewhere? Anyway, he must be. He... he Okay.
01:13:42
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He compares Canadian swearing to um sounding like a donkey. maybe isn like maybe it's someone who's like a canadian or like like a russell peters or something but it's like basically like it's like when you swear you guys sound like donkeys like you know it'd be like heeha you're like fuck off and i'm like actually yep it's pretty accurate it's the ah what do they call that the inflection is that what it is
01:14:13
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Oh, yeah. So that I would say that's a strong inflection on the fuck off part. You'd hit that off hard. Yeah.
01:14:23
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But I was like, yeah, it's not exactly wrong. Yeah, that's the thing I heard. um i don't know if we talked about it before, or if I've said it before, but I feel like I've never really said like before.
01:14:40
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in my life like like canadian um i've never done it any way other than to be ironic like uh but the amount of times i'm sure where i've said i know hey or like i know hey that's right hey and maybe i just don't say the age part i don't know well i've wondered if that is a regional thing because i kind of thought i noticed when i moved to the west more to the west coast here in the western provinces that people say hey and not a but like you'll get a lot of regional differences and stuff where oh yeah there's a lot of rural like accents in the maritimes and stuff where we just kind sound a lot more like
01:15:25
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um You can get that insurance and give me that potato. potato like to you over like You know how it is. if If you're from Newfoundland, you might have found that. I'm so I'm so bad for like picking up on people's accents. Yeah.
01:15:48
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we're like i i can hear an accent but i like i don't know i just associate it like um with that person i don't start like thinking oh they're from here and like that's whatever accent i just no i don't know i it's like i stop i just stop it like that's that person's voice like it just it right and i can't like link it to like anything about like yeah like language or whatever same with last names when people are like that's this last name spelling oh is your family from here I'm like how the fuck do you know that like just like can't pick up on that kind of stuff I'm like somebody could literally tell me and I do not remember yeah lowing yeah I don't know like a a lot of about that
01:16:38
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last names or genealogy maybe but I don't know yeah sometimes people are like oh that spelling means you're from this area this place how the fuck do you just like know that or like oh your vowels have whatever are you from this area I'm like what the fuck like oh my god am i just dumb like you've never been to the maritimes yet gotta take you still i think that's a problem i think you might notice where this time i've been is like yeah like where this time i've been is like toronto for a layover so i didn't wait the airport oh and i laugh if people say they've been to the east coast and the first they've been is like ontario i'm like that's kind of the middle to me yeah
01:17:23
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that's the mid-coast the mid-coast yeah i've been to the mid-coast airport yeah i don't know i kind of i would just notice certain things like one time we had a person that started in our school when i was still living in new brunswick and i was like i think she came yeah she came from a western province and then i would notice she said certain things differently like just different ah a little bit of different pronunciation or like she said like pack sack or something where we were like You mean a backpack a backpack or a book bag? That's what we call it, a book bag. Yeah, where is it that calls it like a rucksack?
01:18:02
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And I'm like, no, thank you. Yeah, I feel like I've read that in books. I'm like, is that an American thing? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, book bag, we would say. i don't know. Packed lunch, bag lunch. There's all these like different terms. My niece used to call it a pack bag.
01:18:21
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back it's so funny you're like okay get your pack back oh instead of pack okay yeah like that yeah you're like but if you start doing it enough like you're gonna start calling it a pack back so i had to stop was like i was just like my four-year-old niece i got my pack back what are you gonna do i heard i heard an adult guest on a podcast today and they're like i can't say specific And they kept saying it like Pacific. And i was like, hey, it is what it is. Some words are hard.
01:18:56
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yeah Oh, my God. As you guys know, when we try to record, as sometimes at the not best of times, for us we're like, blah, blah, blah. We're 11 o'clock at night. one night You've made me think it's 11. It's 10 after 10. Oh, my God.
01:19:15
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When I'm powering down for the night. It's like, no. Yeah.
01:19:21
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Oh, seriously. yeah i Yeah. I perked up a little bit now that we're recording, but I was like, I'm so tired today. I know. i yesterday I came home from work and I made a iced coffee ah in a giant mason jar.
01:19:36
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At what time of day? was like rough. It wasn't overly
01:19:44
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oh man yeah that's rough it wasn't overly strong gordo you're snoring i wanted something fizzy when pat was going to grocery store you know he's you want anything i was like yeah maybe something fizzy like you know like a like he was going to save on so like they're gonna have clearly canadian which is clearly they um uh now that you've turned i've tried like ah you know you've ah been turned on to though you tried when you were at my place oh yeah yeah it's like an old school like flavored
01:20:17
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c seltzer water i don't know it's not quite a pop but yeah kind of like a a fruit it was really good because it was like slightly sweet like it wasn't the yeah i think i told you guys it wasn't uh the whiff of flavor yeah i can't even remember the brand what's the freaking brand i hate that you were drinking know that i don't like that i told you guys oh well it's not white claw maybe yeah yeah
Trends in Drinks and Future Travel Plans
01:20:50
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they're like yeah they're like a barely flavored seltzer sort of feel i like when people make fun of that shit on like we're like watching a show light ever so slight give me a tenth of a gram of sugar please yeah yeah like can just do it i'm sorry i need one sugar
01:21:08
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yeah otherwise no no it can't seltzer with no flavor is disgusting it can't taste like i'm chewing on the rind of the flavored fruit i guess it's like a watermelon passed in this room and we got a whiff of it yeah i love people's stupid descriptions of like the barely there flavor because me love the thought of watermelon on a sunday afternoon Well, no, but like sometimes they'll make a martini like that where it's like a very dry martini. Like they don't put vermouth in it. They roll the vermouth around like the shaker and like then they put the vodka and then they like put in the martini. You're like, so it's basically vodka. That's like.
01:21:46
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known vermouth has been acquainted with vermouth.
01:21:52
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I don't know if I've ever had one but there was like a whole trend for like a couple years where the fancy ah like bars and everything would do those smoked drinks.
01:22:07
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Oh, God, why do they smoke things? And the dome, and then they would, like, pipe in, like, the mesquite-smoked flavor. and But those ones, I feel like, actually worked.
01:22:21
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But I don't think the other things worked. Yeah, that seems like a fancy restaurant trope to me. like It is. It was on Bar Rescue a lot. They're like, we're going to make everything smoked.
01:22:33
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I don't mind like a ah fun like flourish. Like remember we were in Vegas and um you took me to the the mafia thing. Oh yeah. The bar that was underneath. That little speakeasy. The hidden speakeasy. Yeah that was cute. That was a real highlight man. and they served the drink and it like I had to open up a little like book that had a secret compartment. That was really fun. Oh yeah. Remember was holiday book. I forgot about that.
01:22:58
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It was yes so cute. Well, there was some moonshine with the tour, so I'm not surprised. I think we had like four four tastings of moonshine. Oh, yeah, you were a champion. They were just like giving us shots. like And this is this one. and like And I was dying because I hate shots. I was going to say, yeah, not like we're getting a bit old for shots, but it was fun.
01:23:25
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oh man yeah oh another trip soon i gotta plan i got nothing officially on the go other than mom being like get her scotland i'm like i gotta save up some money yeah my mom's always talking about going yeah to europe to scotland because that's where her family is from and then my dad wants to go to norway this is the problem. Pat wants to also go to Sweden. Okay, Scotland, Sweden, Norway, like Scandinavia is super expensive. So is the UK. Yeah.
01:24:00
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Yeah. so that's why I'm just like, I want to definitely, but I love that my mom likes do things sort of What feels to me like spur of the moment, like, it's like, it's a few months away. I'm like, I don't know what kind of money I'm going to have then. Like, I just had to, like, replace my car. That's the thing is I feel like you have to shop around and you have to find a place with really good, like, train connections and fly there. You're good at shopping around. And then...
01:24:26
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yeah yeah and then like have a different fly in point than fly out point and pick the cheapest places to fly into that have like good transit to get to the places you actually more so want to go yeah and you know what that is that's the frugal scott scottish in us where we're like we don't need to spend more than we have to to get done what we need to do but Yeah, that's my parents being like, hey, ah we can, as long as the the hotel room is clean, we don't care what it looks like. on Let's spend more money on like our activities and like shopping and stuff than like where we're staying because we're yeahre only going to be there to sleep. We're not going to like hang out the rooms.
01:25:11
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yeah similar yeah hotel room cruise ship you're like you probably not gonna spend a ton of time in there but yeah it's well we spent an hour and a half doing you're sick i think well mine was like fored almost five pages or about four and a half pages so yeah
01:26:18
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01:28:21
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One of my favorite parts of the last Patreon one was when I was editing and then I was, which to be fair, I use the term editing lightly. I was, you know, making sure we didn't have anything atrocious happening on there, like any horrible coughing noises. But then we're for some reason talking about a movie where you were like,
01:28:40
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um going to see the actor's name and then he's ridiculously crazy spelled name and I was like oh I think he's called Chawaitl Ejiofor like one of those names like to jamin or Django where you're like um I think it's this see here's the shirt it's a paws shirt Yeah, he's wearing it in the episode.
01:29:10
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See, there's Adam Scott. what Where is he? Is a Or is it I don't know. But there's like other stills from the episode. He's wearing the pause shirt. Like that.
01:29:27
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Yeah. is and that's summer I never noticed it on this. Yeah, I was like, oh. That's funny. The Grizzlebox episode. I don't know.
01:29:41
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Yeah, he's like some tech bro in it. And then um I already had the shirt and then I was watching show one time and somebody was like, or one of my family members or something was like, hey, isn't that your shirt? I guess so.
01:29:56
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Oh, you didn't know? No, I had never noticed it before until like somebody pointed it out. They're like, oh, yeah, that's your shirt. than when somebody quizzes you on the street. Name five things that has to do with your shirt. You're like, uh, uh.
01:30:12
Speaker
It's like the classic band t-shirt controversy. Could you name five hate those. Somebody asked me a question, I immediately forget every thought I've ever had. it name like Name a movie. mine yeah Name one ever. five songs by Queen, Kelsey. Name five songs by Queen.
01:30:34
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just puts you on the spot. Don't stop me. No.
01:30:40
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Cause I'm having a good time. Now I'm trying to remember why Queen came up in something we were watching the other day. oh Oh. Oh. Oh cause it's like knight's tale. oh Don't touch the laptop. Oh my god buddy. Let me close the 20th or something anniversary of the knight's tale.
01:31:01
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yourre talking apparently it controversy when it came out because it had modern music I'm like are you kidding me that's such a good soundtrack I had the knight's tale soundtrack had like golden years it's been so long since I watched that well I need to watch it again oh it must have a queen song but I don't Which one was it? Anyway, I don't know.
01:31:25
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There was also a rabbit hole when I found out that when Jack Nicholson learned that Heath Ledger died, he said something like, i warned him <unk> about to get too into playing the Joker. Like, what?
01:31:39
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Anyway. Yeah, there's been always like weird stuff about that. Okay. I was like, hmm. I don't know. I had to heard of it.
01:31:51
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I always feel bad because watching like his movies that he was starting like doing and everything were so good. It was like ah so sad.
01:32:05
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Oh yeah, he pretty much in like the prime. but Yeah. yeah like Oh, Joseph Queen, it starts with We Will Rock You. Can't believe I couldn't think of that as being the most famous Queen's show.
01:32:22
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buddy or baling i'm but low Yeah. take care of business. Golden year. Like 70s, 80s. It's kind of like the, you know how Guardians the Galaxy, the first one. It was all like 70s music. Yes.
01:32:41
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It was great. want to take you higher. Boys are back in town. One of our own. You should know how long we are the champions. That's the other one. Oh, and Pieces. i don't know the other two. I don't think they're pop culture, but God, I love that movie.
01:32:58
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I'm going to have to rewatch it. It's been a really long time. i think I've only ever seen it once. Well, like I said, I think it's like the 25th anniversary or something crazy, which makes me feel old, but yeah. Yeah. I also heard they were doing a fourth Austin Powers, and that gave me a little bit of life today.
01:33:18
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god maybe
01:33:25
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Okay. So, when I said I had food and folklore, have a small bullet point. Food and folklore. We're renaming the podcast Food and Folklore. Yes.
01:33:38
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Castles and Cryptids, Food and Folklore, Dungeons and Trips, Piccolo. We're always hungry and... podcasters always are don't if i had a dime for every time a podcaster started talking about fucking food and not just when i'm listening to off menu about your dream meal not when you're just listening same to food podcasts every podcast
01:34:05
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everyone just becomes a food podcast um no i've said oh my god danos
01:34:14
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But that may have been why I tried to look it up. i like People will connect and say like of their dream meals that they're like it's their mom's like traditional dish or whatever. and Oh, yeah.
01:34:26
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That's so nice. Yeah, like there's apparently some sort of rice. My mom's jollof rice that people do all over Africa. I don't know. It's like a big thing. I ran across that. Okay, okay. I saw that.
01:34:38
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um I wonder what what would my family's traditional dish be? Yeah, that's good question, right? we but We have a thing in our family called hamburger hash.
Food Traditions and Beverage Debates
01:34:51
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I don't know if that would count. But it's it's basically ah shepherd's pie, but it has no vegetables in it.
01:35:03
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So it's yeah basically... Our hash is just hot dogs and leftover potatoes! Yeah! for you take a plate and you put a whole bunch of mashed potatoes on it and then you just cover it in ground beef and gravy and eat it love yeah the gravy like quote unquote hash yes yeah it's like um yeah like the french onion soup mix in it so it's got like the onions that like shepherd's pie would have but get rid of the peas and carrots you don't need it you just need potato and meat yeah yeah yeah Yeah, because typically hash, when they've referred to it, they talk... the Anyway, I won't say what show or book, but you know, back in the day, in the historical times, they even had corn hash and corned beef hash. and like It was just like... Oh, i've heard Whatever you could like fry up together, I feel like, almost. yeah
01:35:55
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So the first time I encountered someone... My ex's mom did a hash that was like more an oven-baked mashed potato thing with a couple of meats, and I was like, oh... I didn't know you could do that. That sounds good. It's fried. like Yeah. Potatoes and hot dogs.
01:36:12
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We also have ah like shipwreck. um Like a casserole. Yeah. kind of so you do it in like a roasting pan uh so you roast like uh potatoes and carrots and onions and then you do like stewing tomatoes i think it would be and then you um you put rice in it and normally like oh uh
01:36:45
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Yeah, it gets... And then the potatoes and the carrots kind of go all, like, mushy. So you can kind of, like, mash that part of it. And then you add the rice and then... It all pieces together. Yeah, it gets, like, all, like, mixed, kind of. Lovely.
01:37:08
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Yeah.
01:37:10
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Oh, gosh. Those would probably be our, like... Yeah, I'm making myself angry. gonna have to have a snack before I go to bed. like it seems like an epidemic where people can't stop themselves from talking about food on podcasts.
01:37:25
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Even when it's not the thing. But when it is the thing, it's so funny too. Because even like, still they'll ask them still or sparkling in the dream restaurant. Which I have not been to many fancy restaurants where you get there and like still or sparkling.
01:37:38
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But like, fuck sparkling water. I'm sorry, it's just tasteless like seltzer water or whatever. Like, yeah, even worse than ones that supposed to have some taste.
01:37:50
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It's just it's also not good for your teeth to drink stuff that's carbonated like that. So if you're drinking carbonated like seltzer water all the time, it's really bad for your teeth enamel.
01:38:04
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Actually, if yeah lot of people don't know. People brought that up on the podcast. It's like drinking soda, even though it doesn't have sugar and all the chemicals in it. Like, it's very bad for your teeth. You should be just drinking water.
01:38:19
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Like... My favorite hot take on it was someone told him the guy who's like the taskmaster on the taskmaster. they like told him, you shouldn't drink sparkling water, Greg Davies, because it blocks the vitamins or the vitamins, as he said.
01:38:35
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The vitamins. Oh, I don't care because I don't really want the vitamins. Like guess some people have some really hot takes on sparkling water, which make me laugh so hard.
01:38:46
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Yeah. Anyway. Oh, God. Okay. um Well, we better go. so And thus ends Alana's segment. Oh, my God. Are we going to make it?
01:39:00
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That's what said at work today. I don't know. Make me hungrier. Tell me about some more food I need to try.
Nature and Folklore Tales
01:39:07
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Well, you could eat the fruit of the tree of life. yeah Okay. Okay.
01:39:14
Speaker
Oh god. Baobab tree? i probably could have a bow it up. I think I've heard of that. I think I had to Baobab tree. Some vague...
01:39:32
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Yeah. Maybe we saw them in the Lion King or they have like bulbous, like chunky trunks, don't they? That's what I'm picturing.
01:39:44
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Oh, I think so. or oh no, no, no, Is it? There's one they say it looks like an upside down tree because it almost looks like its roots are up at the top.
01:39:56
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Also, I'm just remembering these things, so don't quote me on it. So let's continue to be white people that don't know what the hell we're saying. No, but I'm just kidding. That's just me. um The other one that was like singled out or whatever is a specialty.
01:40:14
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And I also don't know how say it is Roybo's tea. have seen it the word it's r-o-o-i-b-o-s yeah is it ribos i don't know i never it's not my favorite tea but it's normally like red yeah i feel like i've heard of it or seen the word in print don't know if i've ever heard it said it out loud but it's apparently like a sort of yeah
01:40:47
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renowned as a wise one's drink for clarity and enhances communication um honey came up which i was like i think we've touched on honey and so in recent episodes oh yeah bees we talked about your bees bees if you if you guys didn't hear we saved the bees some of the bees did we just by spreading the word can't remember yeah I thought so. i thought a couple of the bee populations had been pulled back from being on the endangered extinction list.
01:41:27
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Probably bee.
01:41:32
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Yeah. No, they've been doing stuff, initiatives that might work and stuff still where they're like. Buy a bunch of bees. And then I was like, yeah, I know where I can buy the honey, but who's talking to the bees and keeping them informed? They need to know the gossip.
01:41:46
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I'm concerned. Who's spilling the tea to the bees? Telling them, ah go repopulate. Yeah. It's your job now. Um...
01:41:58
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Yeah. Yeah. So it's weird. Honey comes up again as sort of a gift of knowledge. is It's associated with messages from the spirit world and ancestors. So I think that comes through the the lore of the bees.
01:42:12
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Another one that was mentioned was coffee as being important or significant to sharpen thinking. Go figure. It is in my life. Like, to make you jittery? No. This, like, over here drinking, like, the equivalent of, like, seven extra large iced coffees a day to function. think at that point, some of it's got food with sugar, right? Because, like, I had that, like, shit crash earlier. I was like, oh, God.
01:42:40
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I don't put a whole lot of sugar in it. I mean, I can't drink it black anymore. um cause as I was getting heartburn from it. Coffee's disgustingly bitter. But if I'm drinking, if I'm drinking hot coffee, I can still drink it black, but I can't drink iced coffee black.
01:42:59
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Damn. Yeah. Um, yeah. It's also said to open up spiritual pathways. yeah. i think this one's pronounced sorghum s-o-r-g-h-u-m called a grain of the ancients and is apparently used in making oh no um kwambathi a traditional beer for ceremony ceremonies and got their own special type of beer yeah
01:43:32
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Oh my God. I was listening to an off menu episode and the guy who's been on top chef Canada, I think, or chops chop. That's where I see him. Marcus Samuelson. He's like,
01:43:42
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ah
01:43:45
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think he lives in Britain now, but his origins are like interesting where he's like, um, like Swedish in his background, but also like he kept talking about this. Oh, I think it's Ethiopian, like his other ancestors. And then they're like, there's this me or this, um, honey beer or somewhere. i was like, mead.
01:44:08
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It's like a beautiful mead. Delicious. Yeah. Finally, they mentioned the wild fig as being a fruit of foresight, which can bring visions to those who sit under it.
01:44:23
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Probably helps you poop, too. Fig? Is it like a prune?
01:44:30
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I don't know. i I don't think I've ever had that much like fig. so Right? think it's pretty good Bring me some figgy pudding? Is that what that is? Also, every other podcast keeps advertising for this quince...
01:44:46
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clothing thing and i'm like i'm pretty sure that's a really rare or like it's some sort of old fruit they only ever heard about it like one time travel book i'm like what happened to quince fruits and quants quants sponsor us
01:45:05
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Okay, speaking of, I found ah a couple of stories. This one has to do with food. It is called The Leopard's Famine. um and the other one i ended up like choosing yeah was The Tale of the Midnight Goat Thief. So they both kind of had to do with some food stuff. What?
01:45:25
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I know a Goat Thief. I liked that name. Clickbait. Okay. Yeah. but Folk tales, remember, they're always happy. We'll start with the leopard's family. Yeah, ah same with mine. It just abruptly ends with like, okay, the zebras are good, the donkeys are enslaved. That's what i find so funny about folklore stories. You just like never really know who where they're going to It's like all of a sudden.
01:45:53
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you're like, um what was the moral of that story? Yeah. yeah So many years ago, a famine occurred. The yam crop had failed. the plantains weren't producing. Even the peanuts had shriveled up and died.
01:46:11
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Can we imagine peanuts come on plants? They do. yeah So like bad season where nothing is growing and the animals are all getting hungry in this area of Africa.
01:46:24
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But the big cats were okay as they all still had the prey to eat at least. Albeit the prey was getting a little bit skinnier than usual. So, you
01:46:36
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cue Mr. Leopard. You know. Cool cat. He's not really worried, but he thought he could take advantage of the situation. i mean He doesn't want like run out of people to eat, I'm sure. ah This fat cat.
01:46:53
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Calls the meeting of the animals. He says he hears their concerns and he thinks he can ease their minds a bit. He says, look, I can at least start by eating the oldest animals first, the grandmothers of the groups.
01:47:05
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Oh my god. A grandma to eat, and that will take them out I was gonna say, who is the volunteer? Hunger Games?
01:47:17
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It suddenly becomes a midsummer year. god. Like can old people jumping off a cliff and getting a hammer to the head. killing all the oldest people first let me just take out your your feeble give me your feeble i know it's pretty rough because he's like you know then by that time i can at least eat your mom if there's still a famine and blah blah blah and who will protect the children yeah won't somebody please think of the children
01:48:00
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So scared and upset as they were, they didn't really see another option. They kind of agreed at the get go to this deal with leopard and first to show up with this meal for leopard was squirrel who.
01:48:15
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Was to sacrifice the old grandma squirrel. But leoparding for an up and one bite. Because the squirrel is so tiny.
01:48:26
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Looking around for more, he grated out, this is not the proper food for me. I must have more at once. sort have me Bring on the next grandma. This is a tasting menu.
01:48:39
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This is just a starter. Yeah. It's finger food.
01:48:47
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Amused food. it Next to approach nervously was Bushcat. His relative was so scrawny that Leopard pushed it away, saying, Take that nasty old thing. I want some sweet food.
01:49:03
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Finally, he was fully fed for the day and they had their reprieve. But after only a few more days of this, almost all the Grammys were all gobbled up. Oh my
01:49:17
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I did paraphrase this. These ones are... in my own words yeah sometimes there's they're too long to share on the pod yeah yeah and dark and i was like i don't even know if i get the morals so good good i just kind of um yeah summarize this one a bit uh oh tortoise uh didn't want to bring his mom so he brought witnesses to say that his mother was already dead so she couldn't possibly be brought out to be by leopard
01:49:50
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And they have to move on to the mothers. Mother! Who wants to eat grandma's stew? I'm just saying. What about the grandfathers? Where are the grandfathers? It's on the grandmas?
01:50:05
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Why are we attacking the matriarchs of the society?
01:50:10
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This is a great question. um yeah so the Squirrel and tortoise were two of the most... um upset and outspoken against the bringing, parting of their mothers to the sacrifice.
01:50:28
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So Tortoise on the sly told his mom that she should go hide up in a palm tree. um Because unfortunately a lot of people knew she was alive so he couldn't pull the sword. She's like, she's dead. Everybody's dead. I've had the most unfortunate life. We're all dead. These aren't the the turtles you're looking for.
01:50:50
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But now Squirrel was suspicious because he's also scared and he saw how upset Tortoise had been. but then he's like, hmm, he seems kind of okay now. he doesn't have to bring his mother in. What's going on?
01:51:02
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So he follows Tortoise, sees him use a rope to haul a basket up the tree with food supplies for his mom. um Because he had told his mom to hide in a palm tree. think I said that?
01:51:14
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Maybe not. It does remind me of a tree I had where we Had a little pulley basket and then my friend Randy and I were playing and um an apple got thrown. i think that's one of the times my glasses got broken.
01:51:30
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Oh no. I was rough housing kid. I would like lose a lens in my glasses wrestling their lawn. It was like, oh no.
01:51:41
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Oh my god. Tomboy, they used to call us. Anyway, sorry. He follows Tortoise, sees him use the rope to haul up a basket with ah provisions up the tree for his mother. And Tortoise would do this like every morning so that he could give his mom enough food to eat. And also he could go visit her if you wanted he wanted to get in the basket and his mom would all pull him up.
01:52:03
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Pull him up. Mm-hmm. Squirrel notices this whole procedure and promptly tells Leopard when he can go kill the tortoise because he'll be most more vulnerable, obviously, in the morning when she's expecting baby tort tortoise to come and bring her her food.
01:52:20
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Damn. So at daybreak, Leopard heads over, sneaks up before Tortoise, and tugs on the rope. She tries to pull him up. He's too heavy. um So he just climbs up the palm tree just claws his way up.
01:52:35
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Yeah. was gonna say, why doesn't he just climb up? Pull me up. I'm lazy and then I'm gonna eat you. Yeah, you're not a tortoise. And he sees that she's a tough old tortoise that does not look appetizing. So he just takes her and throws her down on the ground.
01:52:54
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Oh my God. Piece of shit. Sorry. It is a true crime story. Sorry. Yeah. you It's a revenge. tortoise is the fucking husband. No. The tortoise is John Wick. You just killed his dog slash mother Huge revenge story, yeah.
01:53:16
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So Tortoise, no, but except except for the ending said that Tortoise saw her dead body, decide he's had enough of living with other animals and fucks off to live alone where nobody will bother him anymore.
01:53:28
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I was like, what? Is that the end? That was the ending. Damn. um Okay. that was Nobody stops the leopard from like presumably killing everybody.
01:53:43
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exactly who knows they were all out just like the moral of the story is be self-centered you'll save your life bye i live alone in the woods damn i think this next one might have um someone's a bit more interpretation but yeah i didn't i other than that i don't even really know what to think about that one yeah wild I know you said it wasn't a happy ending, but I didn't expect it to be like... And then he leaves, and we don't know the rest.
01:54:17
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I know, I think I told you before, there was a podcast I was listening to do where they would do like, because there were history, they were like, Spill the Mead, and they would do like, folklore ones, and they every you know they each take turns reading a folklore story, and like, where the fuck? These stories are so nuts. Yeah.
01:54:36
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Yeah. It's not the ones where I'm like, at least I can see the moral. i think one of the ones retold when I had told where the girl like, it was sort of Eastern European, maybe Russian folklore.
01:54:51
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And she'd wanted these red shoes, but though, you know, they're so extravagant and she was like an orphan and she put the red shoes on went to church and then they like fused to her feet and she couldn't get them off. She had like cut her feet off. They're like so dark.
01:55:09
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Yeah, that's the classic fairy tales, not the Disney-ified versions. Right, they're quite actually grim, yeah. her ah Her... Is it like the slippers? Because there's tar on the stairs so she can't run away.
01:55:28
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the slippers get caught in the tar and then she escapes. like the real Cinderella story. Oh, that makes sense because Anna Kendrick talked about how she had to do that in the... that movie they did that was kind of Cinderella into the woods yeah I was gonna say into the fall i could into the woods she talked about it it was like trying to act like your feet are stuck or having your feet actually stuck like they're both kind of suck yeah
01:56:00
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interesting fuck and insane yeah fairy tales they're interesting aren't they Oh yeah, this one had, yeah, I think I had read a couple different versions of it.
01:56:15
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You know, there's the retellings, the paraphrasings. It's the tale of the Midnight Goat Thief. um Let's see if it has more of ammortal a moral. So Long Go in a galaxy far, far away. No, in the old jungle far, far away.
01:56:33
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Like, I like how it doesn't even say like a country, but you're like, okay. I think it came up in a few different country folk worlds. um Hare lived alone for pretty long time and he got a little bit lonely maybe bored he decided it was time to find a wife and he knew just where to find her um though it was customary for a bachelor to travel with a chaperone very yeah Victorian times of them yeah so he sought out jovial baboon as he's described
01:57:08
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It didn't take much convincing. Baboon had been clamoring for adventure and greed straight away. so apparently they set off through the mountains, traveling along the coast of Africa. And after several hours, they came upon a... Oh no, there's that word again. Rooibos shrub.
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I'm so embarrassed. It's that T. Rooibos. Dear friend Baboon, Hare said, I need to ask a favor of you. Very well, said the baboon. I'm beginning to feel a bit nervous, Hare admitted.
01:57:40
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If my nerves get the better of me, can you rush back to the shrub and bring me five of these sharp leaves? We can use them to brew a soothing tea. Baboon wasn't the suspicious sort.
01:57:52
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Sorry. He didn't notice anything amiss. Soon after the sun dipped below the horizon, Hare and baboon arrived at the neighboring village. The animals who lived there were a hospitable sort, especially when a new bachelor came by. Fresh meat.
01:58:09
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Yeah.
01:58:12
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Seriously, though, these small towns, right? Yeah. They're not wrong. They ushered the pair of travelers into a cozy room and began to set out a fine dinner. Hair had barely gotten through the appetizers before he started to complain. My stomach has started to act up.
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Baboon was hungry, but he was not the type to break a promise. He set off for the rooibos bush at once. As soon as Baboon was out of sight, Hare dug into the feast, gleefully devouring each and every morsel.
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When Baboon returned several hours later, exhausted and breathless, Hare admitted his nerves had settled shortly after Baboon had left.
01:58:56
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baboon was ravenous but what could he do there was no food left he went to bed nursing a growling stomach in the dead of night hare woke baboon you must be hungry hare said oh indeed admitted baboon they keep a goat here hare said we will steal him baboon tried to say no but his hollow stomach wouldn't let him they stole the goat and made a midnight feast of it When Baboon fell back asleep, sated and content, the hare snuck over and smeared him with the goat's blood.
01:59:30
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Rude. I know, he's the guy that's writing dick on your forehead.
01:59:37
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Fuck off, hare.
01:59:40
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The next morning, the animals discovered their goat was missing. They went to see if the newcomers knew anything of it, only to find Baboon covered in blood. They sentenced him to a quick and immediate death.
01:59:51
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hair went back home oh my god is that the end don't tell me that's the end no it's not
02:00:05
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um what did i say hair went happily the hair went back yeah
02:00:15
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Through some strange black magic, the baboon's spirit broke free from his body and visited his friend Jackal in a dream. The ghost explained what Hare had done and they p plotted out their revenge.
02:00:27
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Okay.
02:00:31
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I'm like, I need lip balm birth. No. Jackal was a bachelor too, giving him a perfect, giving him a perfect excuse to venture to the nearby village. He asked Hare to be his chaperone and Hare eagerly agreed.
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They came upon, sorry, they came upon the wicked shrub once more, but this time it was Jackal who complained of his weak nerves. I will help you, said Hare. And he plucked five rubo sleeves right then, just in case.
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When they got to the village, the animals were delighted to see another fine young bachelor gracing their doorstep, and they served the pair a great feast. They're really devoid of men here. ah Yeah.
02:01:14
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Like, everybody potluck again. Yeah. yeah Here's a guy with a dick. Yeah.
02:01:24
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um At midnight, Jackal woke Hare, complaining of hunger, asking for help to steal a goat. Hare wasn't hungry, but it didn't matter. He agreed to help steal the goat. When they had finished catching, cooking, and eating the goat, Jackal secretly soaked his paws in blood, ready to smear it upon Hare as soon as he fell asleep.
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But Hare stayed awake, staring straight at Jackal, grinning.
02:01:50
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bloody hands. Creepy. Right? That sounds so terrifying. They're just staring at each other. The one's hands covered in blood waiting for the other one to sleep and the other one's just smiling at you. Also, why is it always a terrifying rabbit? Yeah. Donnie Dark, etc.
02:02:12
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Oh. You didn't watch... Did you watch, um... forget when you were over here last, um... the at Did we watch the Adam Scott horror movie with you? Hocum? Yeah.
02:02:24
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Okay, yeah. I started watching something called The House of Guinness and it had the bearded guy from that. And I was like, oh, I know you! You're a little bearded. He looks really different when I was IMDb.
02:02:36
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But anyway. Um... You gotta fill the Outlander void after all.
02:02:46
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Sorry, I almost died. Um... okay uh he wasn't hungry oh yeah helped to agreed to help steal the goat oh no sorry yeah yeah he's tear stayed awake staring straight at jackal grinning that's where we left off dawn soon broke and the animals found their goat murdered they came into the hut and caught the jackal red-handed they executed him at once oh my god so I hate this story.
02:03:16
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a Everyone fucked around and found out, I guess. Which is why I included the the person that paraphrases... Oh, yeah.
02:03:28
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I forgot if I said the source, but like they concluded that the moral of the Midnight Goat Thief is that you shouldn't try to trick a trickster, for they may very well be trickier than you. It reminds me of an old maxim. Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
02:03:45
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oh yeah i thought like don't try and get revenge it'll like backfire yeah because i know i know you're like the one guy seemed like he was more the asshole the the the hair yeah uh whatever but they said it's worth noting that both the baboon and the jackal participated in the theft and murder of the goat They weren't innocent victims. They weren't falsely accused. Rather, they were conspirators who bore the full weight of their crimes while the mastermind slipped away unpunished. That's often how it goes.
02:04:24
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i was like, okay, it's fair. Don't get involved with criminals because they'll probably turn you Yeah, the company you keep. Right.
02:04:38
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Watch out. Anyway, that's all i got. yeah Those are fun. Frustrating. Unhappy endings. Yes.
02:04:50
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Folklore stories fascinate me. I'm always like, where where are we going here? The last two um library books I got that were sort of in the romance genre, I was like, this one's called The Leopard Prince. And then one character was like recounting a like a fable of the leopard prince you're like they just making it up on the spot or but it's been interesting so yeah folklore sexy too
02:05:26
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no
02:05:29
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oh my god i don't know i don't know where to go from there i'm good i can't believe got mine done in under an hour i had like four or five pages at first but it's just stories really it's just the two stories yeah so
02:05:47
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oh i'm sorry you guys i was like oh we'll be ready for this one and then i like remember i was like almost just printed out the other folklore story because i was like the time it takes to like put it your own words and blah blah blah and some people have phrased it better it's just easier just to read it as is but give credit where credit's due and yes we always put our sources on even though I can't remember who wrote that folklore story but yeah it'll be on the website always always alright well what do we decide we're doing next time ooh that's my line no um oh shit I didn't write it it's true crime
02:06:34
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It was the kids solved by with kids or pets.
02:06:40
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Right. Yeah. Let's say unlikely detectives. okay Oh, yes. Child solved cases. No, that sounds really interesting. You had lot true crime ideas, but it just was like, that all sounds good.
02:06:58
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I don't know how they all came to my mind. It was like 930 at night and all of a sudden all these ideas came and I just quickly typed them all out and went, okay, good, cool. Yeah, yeah. I'm usually like, oh, I'm listening something that I jot it down with post-it and I'm like, yeah try to get it back to your actual notebook that has topics in it so it makes sense. But yeah, that's awesome. I love it.
02:07:22
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Yeah, hard to come up with stuff sometimes. so Good to have something that's not um super gross murder. Yeah. It's nice to have a variety of things.
02:07:34
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Oh, for sure. Alright. Well, we'll catch you next week. Keep it cryptic. Bye! thank you
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02:08:58
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warriors come out to play sorry sorry did you get the movie reference or have you not seen the warriors come out to play and he's wearing little tiny airplane bottles of booze on his fingers it's um no
02:09:19
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damn it well i thought maybe because it was ah like an 80s movie though i thought they just did a remake about anyway It kept coming up. It kept coming up in our household for some reason. They've like made fun of it on things. I'm sorry. Oh.
02:09:33
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Now I have to remember what the hell I'm talking about. Gidi? Gidi? If you want to look it up, I can go pee.
02:09:45
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Okay, sure. I'm like, I got one locked and loaded. This is old city. Yeah, go for it.
02:09:55
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Let this page load. Credit where credit is due. What?
02:10:03
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The link doesn't work anymore. What's this? The link.
02:10:09
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Oh, what the heck? Because I was looking at different things.