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We are back, baby! Back and not taking a break for a bit so buckle up, it's monster hunting time!
If Bigfoot is the best at hide-and-seek, who or what else is out there, unseen and secreted away, underground, in a cave, out of sight? Tons of things, it turns out!
Intro chat includes horror movies portraying podcasters, why passkeys/passwords are the worst and technology sucks, and other random thoughts, then we dive into Greek Myth! Ever heard of the Minotaur? And are mazes like labyrinths, could you have a corn labyrinth??
Next it's on to some Norse lore, and the landvaettir land spirits that live in Iceland mostly. They guard the land and live in it too. To top it off, the Tatzelwurm! this mountain dragon dude has many names but only 2 little legs and big eyes! Like a Toothless, he kinda sounds cute, no? You can catch a peek if you are in the Alps, so bring your skis to see this mystical cryptid!
Thanks for listening and tune in next time for true crime-pranks and petty hoaxes!
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Podcast Introduction and Setup Issues
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There. Yeah, yeah, we are recording.
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Just realized I didn't i didn't put pictures in the tribe. Oh, I have mine in a folder, but i don't think I have a folder. I only have a couple. Okay, I'm going to start the intro.
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
00:00:50
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Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm Alanna. And I'm Kelsey.
Critique of Podcasting in Movies
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And i didn't tell you, but we just got done watching that movie about the it's a but ah podcaster and her co-host, but you never see him, which kind of drove me crazy. Cause I was like, most people at least video record like we do. so you can kind of see my face, even though our lighting is always terrible. um But like, he's just like in his disembied voice. And so then we, anyway, we had to watch it again. then Pat was making supper and it's kind of one of those ones where they're like listening to recordings and creepy things. And ah some of it's like backwards nursery rhymes.
00:01:40
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And then, I don't know. It was like, maybe we just needed to be watching this sitting down. quiet again but i don't know maybe it's just not my favorite movie it's all right it's got some half stuff but yeah and then it bugged me because like excuse me the the co-host would be like okay i have to get back into character what do you mean oh and then what are you like all following a script
00:02:15
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Yeah, and he'd like put on his like radio host kind of voice and be like, and so, you guys heard it, we all heard it, that was the baby. And then she's like the skeptical and she's like, uh-uh. And I'm like, God, you're annoying.
00:02:30
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Yeah, I would hate that. What the hell? It's fine, everybody hates everything. You really need to get into character to be like...
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so
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I'm like, yeah, maybe you might kind of put on a, like, maybe you kind of start out with a different voice or something because you're like, oh wait, god I have to go to say the intro or whatever, but like you'd be full on like, yeah okay, let me get back into character.
00:02:58
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That's so cringy and weird. Yeah. Yeah. like I don't know. Watch it. Maybe tell me what you think of it. Like it's out on the streamings now. Once you've Once you finally have some time to watch some movies, Kelsey, you...
Unconventional Recording Setups and Celebrity Stories
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It's so stupid. Check it out.
00:03:19
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So yesterday, I was like, I'm gonna watch a movie. And then I was scrolling through what? My Netflix, ah Disney Plus, and Prime, and the only... I was looking for a movie that I didn't super have to pay attention to. okay that's fair.
00:03:39
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because I I don't know I need to like ease back into like actually paying attention to movies and there's ah quite a few movies that I have on my list that like I want like I need to be in the right mood to watch this I want to want to want to pay attention and well yeah and you worked yesterday or because you like work no I I'm now off the three days but um it's so stupid but I ended up watching Zootopia too oh well I mean
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I loved Zootopia, the first one, but... no they're good. They're good. Yeah. My niece loves the second one. ah oh When we're in the car, she makes my brother play the the song from it on repeat.
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She's like, play the Topia song, play the Topia song. so Oh, I don't remember, like, what the main theme is or whatever. Well, it's Shakira, so.
00:04:41
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Oh, There's a lot of funny people. Yeah. A lot of those animated movies. Yeah, and I loved the first one. It's, like, one of my favorite animated movies since it came out a which I was shocked to learn was, like, nine years ago. I couldn't believe that was nine years ago the first one came out, but i enjoyed the second one and um i didn't like it as much as i liked the first one which people i had talked to that had seen it um said that they liked the second one better i was like okay but really yeah and usually it's not um the more popular one a sequel often yeah yeah so i was like i'm gonna put it on i already know like most of the characters i
00:05:29
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i can follow along yeah um too uh heavy for sure i think that's the one there's so many people in that one maybe they're the handsome podcast i think they were all like oh are we all in that movie like because you don't record your full parts together typically for that no I was actually shocked to... What was I watching?
00:05:57
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I was watching something one time. Now I'm just not sure. They were talking about voice recording and they actually, instead of having somebody go into like an actual professional recording studio or something, they like set up a booth inside of like a hotel room for the person to record their audio. so they could just do it in a hotel room and i was like oh damn like you guys don't even need to rent out like professional recording spaces anymore they can just like set up a noise proof thing in a hotel room and do it like that's crazy i think the whatchamacallit i think the only thing i've heard like that was um pretty sure will ernest talked about on smart list like he's like oh i do so much
00:06:43
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Like, yeah, voice acting and stuff now that he has in this podcast that they have, he has a recording studio, like a nice one in his house. I mean, some, I know, I guess some podcasters.
00:06:58
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can afford to have sort of a room dedicated to but yeah like full-on studio I don't know not not many yeah that's a yeah I'm like yeah I'll put one up in a hotel room I don't know yeah because sometimes people will like skype into smartless and they're like where are you like well I'm on set One time Amy Poehler went to chat to Kessil talked to one celeb about the the main guest coming on at the beginning of her show and she talked to Jon Hamm.
Technical Glitches and Humor
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forget who they were talking about but he was literally like on set and he's about to like step into a hot air balloon. He's like I gotta to go. yeah What? He is great. I love Jon Hamm.
00:07:43
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He's so good. Oh, the most iconic one is their first episode when she gets like four people on the Zoom and one of them is Rachel Dratch and she's like, her headphones are falling all over the place, her dogs are barking and then she's like tangled and it's so like Rachel Dratch. You're like, oh my God.
00:07:59
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Debbie Downer, meet um Paula can't podcast or whatever. I don't know. Oh my God. um We got also, it's, we're both having tech issues today.
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And it's also the only thing my computer, like, no, none of the Chrome windows are opening. i don't know. was having all those problems where, like, First, nothing would open. Then I couldn't get signed into anything. I was like, oh my God, I'm creating another Microsoft Word account. I don't even care. You're just pissing me off.
00:08:31
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Passwords and pass keys and like, fuck off. And then it was like, o like down in my search bar and my window in my laptop, it's like, looks like a moon. And I hovered over and it was like, blue moon.
00:08:44
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I was like, it's a blue moon this weekend.
00:08:49
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Of course is. It's this of course, I mean, all these issues. And then like, was joking to Pat, it's like, oh, you have to do all the things you say you get around to once in a blue moon now, because it's... Oh, damn, yeah.
00:09:01
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Yeah, it's time. Anyway, we're here. Yeah. Just reminded me, I've always had some weird stuff with this laptop, like, when I first set it up from the very, very first time I opened it, and you gotta set, like, your country and your language and all that stuff. Yeah.
00:09:23
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I said it to fucking Canada because that's where I live. And then I said it to English because that's what I speak. Oh, good lord.
00:09:36
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It, in all of, like, the messages that come from the actual, like, operating system. Okay. So if it's, like, got a message about something, wanting to change something on the laptop, or logging in when you first start it, or um sign out and like all of these screens that are like actually in the computer yeah everything is in fucking French and it did it right off the bat so I went through I had to erase everything I had set up but this was the first day erased everything I set up did a factory reset got back to that main page where I could change the country and language
00:10:21
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made sure I selected Canada and fucking English again.
Language Settings Issue
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At that point, i would just be like, the US, yes. So that was step three. After the second reset didn't work, I did it again. And then I chose fucking United States.
00:10:39
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And English. And it's still everything is in French. It's been in French for two years. I have never been able to get it to not be in fucking French. I actually went in and you can select certain languages to be deleted, I guess, off of the thing. I selected French and deleted the French language off of my laptop.
00:11:01
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And it still is French. I don't know. So, like, if it comes with an error message being like, your laptop's overheating, or all these different other things about, like, wanting to create a more secure, like,
00:11:16
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password authenticator or like a second layer of like a pass key or a shortcut or whatever it's all in french i can't read it and when those are already so fucking frustrating excuse my french shine called from pa why does it have to be so hard yeah so it's very It's very annoying. Like, if I click on, like, the start menu, that's all in English. But it's, like, the actual, like, messages that appear. Weird.
00:11:52
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When they pop up and, like, when I start the laptop in the morning, it says, like, bonjour and then says, like, enter your PIN, but it's all in French. And then it, like, um takes, like, a second or two and then it, like, comes up in English. And I'm like, why So annoying.
00:12:10
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Yeah. It's the weirdest thing. This is the fourth laptop I've had and it's the only one that's ever done this. It's like very annoying. I'm trying to commiserate. i'll like I'm like, oh, Spotify will give me the occasional ad that'll be randomly in French or... oh my YouTube does that....or one or two times in like Chinese. Sorry. Yeah, what? sorry YouTube loves to give me Walmart ads specifically in the French.
00:12:40
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Yeah, because once once or twice I watched a video in French and then for a week straight all of my ads were in French and I could tell they were really badly dubbed.
00:12:52
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They weren't even like originally French ads. I was like, why is everything in French? Let me get into character. Hum, hum, hum. Je suis Franchois. fucking just phoebe trying to teach joey how to speak french and he just can't get it through his head in that one oh poo oh my god you guys yeah it's very frustrating it's like i don't know how else to fix it it's been it's been yeah like two years tech shit man i be going crazy with it
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But anyway, bar any other unforeseen, um, stupidity with yeah either our laptops, we should be able to bring you an episode and we, um, yeah, hopefully we'll get back on our little, little schedule
Shift in Podcast Topics to Cryptids
00:13:49
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bus. We picked our topics that took us a while too. And, but now you've had your, your fill of your Peru true crime and all that. And we'll, we're moving on to whatever it is.
00:14:08
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underground cryptids or creatures oh yes yes yes i am excited yeah mine's like i don't know you might classify it as a cryptid i'd say it's more of a mythological creature because i don't know what you're covering yeah no i didn't tell you
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I had to give her an idea what I was covering, but I don't know. Yeah, so weird ones kind of come up sometimes with this.
00:14:44
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Yes, for sure. like, I stumbled on something that was a bunch of lists of like, yeah creatures that have been, ah that were from books and movies and stuff. I was like, this is not not what I intended. I meant more like um creatures from like actual cultures and not just like somebody being like oh I'm gonna yeah do this or whatever um yeah creatures it's sort of like there's like the animals that hibernate these are the ones that like to
00:15:19
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Yeah, I also ran into that.
Exploration of the Minotaur Myth
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It was like underwater creatures that live in like the darkest depths of the ocean. and I was like, oh, and I'm looking at lists of like fish without eyes and everything's an albino. And I was like, they look like monsters. Yeah. I was like, no, thank you. And I closed out of that tab pretty quickly. I was like, ew. Freaky.
00:15:43
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um That's funny. But the the one I ended up settling on, I can't remember why I stumbled on it. It must have been like one of the like creature things.
00:15:54
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um But it's one that I'm sure almost everybody will have heard of. But if you're like myself, maybe you don't know the mythology behind it, which was kind of fun to learn about.
00:16:09
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um and that is the Minotaur. minotaur oh i was like i don't actually like i i know it but i don't know it at the same time right yeah heard of it now it at full disclosure makes me think of gravity falls they have like an episode where there's a man a tour or yeah half man half tour so that's why i have to giggle when i hear it um and then there's a guy called pituitor it's very like a oh he's going through his hormonal anyway that's funny and when i because i looked up my first search was like cave cryptids question mark and then i got everything from like oh yeah yeah things that kind of live
00:17:00
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Like, underground and places. And then, like, Cyclops, I think, came up. Yeah. Oh, the freak Greek myth guy. Wasn't expecting you to pop into the chat. um Yeah, and I had the same kind of thing. I remember seeing Cyclops on one of the last two.
00:17:19
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But I was like, okay, I've heard of Minotaur, but we don't know whole lot about it. ah But it seems to be... I don't know, it's used every once in a while. And same with like the idea of like the labyrinth and all that stuff.
00:17:39
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Yeah, it's kind of cool. so I was like, oh, I actually don't know kind of the origins of this or how that idea all started, which was cool to look at and follow along through the story it. Yeah, I don't think I really know the story either.
00:17:58
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Yeah. So Minotaur, like actually translates to just bull of Minos. Minos.
00:18:10
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Okay. Yeah. And makes sense. That's after the king, King Minos of Crete. Right. So, okay.
00:18:22
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Yeah. And it's one of the most famous creatures in Greek mythology. And it's described most often as having the body of a man and then the head of a bull.
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um I'd say most often it's got like a six pack crazy muscle.
00:18:47
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Nice. Just because they... Got some abs, yeah. Yeah, they can't help but make everything... um super buff in Greek mythology. Everybody's got rippling abs and crazy biceps. I don't know.
00:19:05
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Manly AF. Yeah. And traditionally the bull is seen as a sacred animal um symbolizing power, strength, and male virility. so it's kind of like yeah, just tied in with that.
00:19:26
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So getting into, like, the story of the Minotaur, which I didn't know. um So it's... And i hopefully this isn't too hard to follow um through, like, a number of my sources. I just tried to lay everything out the best I could.
00:19:45
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But it's Greek mythology. There's a lot of names. There's a lot of incest. There's...
00:19:53
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A lot going on Yep. Yep. If anybody's familiar with Greek mythology, you'll know exactly what to expect. um A lot of familiar names as well.
00:20:05
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So the king of Crete, who was King Minos, he's the son one of the sons of Zeus. Oh, hey. I've heard of him.
00:20:16
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And I've heard the next guy. ah So that King Munoz, he was praying to Poseidon, the god of the sea. Also heard of him. ah To be sent a white bull. a trident.
00:20:31
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Sorry. Jason Momoa. Isn't that right? I would say. Yeah.
00:20:44
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I just had to go to my new little beer fridge. Don't mind me. ah you have a mini fridge? I got a free beer fridge from work.
00:20:56
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why What? That's amazing. Did you win a contest? No, I was just sitting in the cafeteria at the right time. I was finishing my like my lunch. I can't even talk.
00:21:07
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And this buddy comes up in the mailroom. His name is Mike. So, and he's like, I thought he was putting a new, whatchamacallit, microwave on the counter. think, oh, it won't fit. And then he puts it on the table and it's like, and ah and I look over and it's just like free to a good home.
00:21:25
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And he's like, yeah, it's just been sitting there in my garage. And I was like, oh, it's a fridge? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, ah oh, I kind of want that. Like nobody else was around. You're like, it's mine. Yeah. I get first dibs. I get first dibs. He's like yeah, if you want to just like pull your, you know, car or whatever around to the like loading dock where they like, you know, the mail and the purulator all comes and drops shit off. I'll bring it up there for you I'm like, okay.
00:21:52
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That's awesome. score It was awesome. Yeah. Best thing that happened this week at work.
00:21:58
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yeah yeah so yeah the king king Minos he prays to Poseidon the god of the sea to be sent a white bull from the sea okay not a red bull no don't want the wings yeah and the creature was meant to be a sign of Poseidon's support and approval for Minos ruling over Crete because he was kind of competing with some other people at the same time to kind of become king.
00:22:33
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So yeah, if Poseidon threw his support behind him by giving him this bull, it would mean a lot to him. So none he did and he gifted him the bull and Minos was supposed to sacrifice the animal and sacrifice it in Poseidon's name to show his gratitude for his endorsement.
00:22:55
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But in instead of sacrificing this described as like beautiful bull, Minos decided to keep it And instead he sacrificed a different bull and hoped that Poseidon wouldn't notice.
00:23:10
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Buddy. Yeah. What were you thinking? He's a fucking god. He's gonna know. Don't be pulling that kind of prank. You're gonna fuck around and find out.
00:23:23
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Oh yeah, you will. um Yeah, but Poseidon did know and noticed, and he chose to punish Minos with the help of Aphrodite. It's about to go fucking viral. Things are popping off.
00:23:40
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Uh, so with the help of Aphrodite, Poseidon and her, uh, cursed Minos' wife, uh, Pasiphae, um, who is the daughter of Helios, um, to fall in love with the bull.
00:23:55
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Oh, yeah, okay. This is sounding somewhat familiar. The beast- bestiality enters the church. yeah Uh.
00:24:06
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Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. A bull. It is. Yeah, I get it. i get it
00:24:13
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I get yeah, she falls in love with the bull. Yeah. Passive request.
00:24:25
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Daedalus, who was a Greek inventor, sculptor, and architect, and the father of Icarus. Well, the one from the cartoon. Herc, Herc, it's Daedalus! It's Daedalus! Yeah. Okay, okay.
00:24:39
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Yeah, so he's Icarus' father. Icarus, who's too close to the sun. Oh, shit. So he's like an inventor. He's still talked about, yeah. yeah um Yeah, so Passifay asks for his help to help build her a hollow wooden cow that she could fit inside of.
00:24:59
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What? Guess where... Can you guess where this is going? Just just so the bull fuck her? Yeah. my ah Yeah. So the wooden cow, which may have had like a cow hide like stretched over it or something, um with pacifae inside, is like wheeled out into a field where the bull is grazing.
00:25:32
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end wow looking nothing like yeah like wheeled out yeah because that's how a normal cow walks yeah um yeah so this uh bull i guess is fooled and mounts the wooden contraption as the the source said and some months later pacifei gives birth and uh Not how girls work. No, I'm just kidding.
00:26:03
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Yeah, it didn't really say. um Yeah, it just said some months later, Pasiphae gave birth to Asterion or Astius. Really?
00:26:16
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Which what they named it after meno King Minos, his father. um Which the name Asterion or Astius means starry one.
00:26:29
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um So that was its original name, but it kind of morphed and um started to become known as the Minotaur. ah But it did have nice Greek name at first.
00:26:45
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ah I mean, why couldn't she do the Zeus thing? He seems to be able to transform into whatever form he wants to follow.
00:26:59
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I don't know. Maybe because they pissed him off and then he like didn't want to help them any or no. Yeah, because that's Minos' father.
00:27:11
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Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he was just like ashamed of them. He's like, I want nothing to do with you. You guys pissed off Poseidon. Excuse me. Also now I can't don't know if you can hear, but I can hear the fridge a little bit. It does get to hold a little bit. Oh, no, I can't hear anything.
00:27:28
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it So King Minos, he was enraged and, like, ashamed, embarrassed of the Minotaur. no. As you can imagine. and Yeah.
00:27:43
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And the Minotaur, guess, only ate human flesh. Wouldn't eat anything else. I didn't know that detail. But I guess it makes sense for, like, where the story goes next.
00:27:57
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ah So because of this, the king Minos, he had that same guy, Daedalus, build an underground labyrinth near their palace in Nosos,
00:28:12
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um requesting it be so vast and confusing that it would be impossible to escape. And once it was constructed, um he abandoned the Minotaur inside of it.
00:28:25
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Left him there. So like, he wants to make it... an impossible maze yeah but they don't so that like call it that they call labyrinth okay yeah and then they left the minotaur like inside and like the middle of it and we're like he'll never get out right yeah which nowadays i'm like now that's a creepy corn maze we would say but like yeah i was like i don't know i'm just wondering if sometimes labyrinth there some type of the use of that word is used differently where um it was more like something you would kind of pace out to like meditate as you pace but like not not so that you would be hopelessly lost forever or maybe i'm thinking of a different concept don't know don't know man labyrinth to me in this context just seems like creepy fucking maze yeah you're gonna die in and this one you will die in
00:29:21
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ya ah It's yours years later um when the Crete King Minos is at war with Athens.
00:29:31
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And according to the myth, the war was ah it was the result of the murder of Minos' human son, Andragius.
00:29:44
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uh and he was killed yeah I was like i didn't I kind of stopped looking up the pronunciation names because a lot of Greek names is just like fanatic for the most part so it's like and do I really trust just yeah yeah no it it just like sounds so much like androgynous you can tell we get a lot of yeah words from the Greek yeah for sure yeah ah So he was kind of killed one of either two ways. He was either killed at a marathon by the Cretan bull, which is what they call that beautiful bull that um she had sex with.
00:30:31
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They it the Cretan bull. so So he was either... Okay, okay. Yeah, he was either killed by that um because the king of Athens had commanded him to slay the bull.
00:30:49
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Kind of like fight it kill kill the bull. And I don't know, I guess he was trying to, but the bull ended up killing him instead. so
00:31:00
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yeah is is allos Sorry, does is the bull his daddy? who's the No. This is King Minos' other son. yeah, his real son.
00:31:13
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Yeah, so he's supposed to kill The bull. There's always a cast of characters with these. sorry Yeah, there's so many people. um So that either happens or he's killed by the young men of Athens who are jealous of his success at the Panathianic Festival, which was, I guess, a precursor to the Olympics. Right.
00:31:39
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which might be interesting to look up the origins of that. I've heard there's like some crazy shit to do with like the start of the Olympics or something. Oh my God. I love a like, yeah, crazy. or This was one of the early Olympics in the like nineteen hundreds where people were given brandy instead of water on the sidelines of their like race. And cause you said marathon. I was like, Oh, I forgot. Marathon was like a place.
00:32:07
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Yeah. The race. I think so. Yeah. um Yeah. So they were like jealous that he had done so well in these, I guess. So um yeah, that might have been, again, one of the two ways they might said he might have died.
00:32:23
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But either way, he died and King Minos is mad. Crete ends up coming out on top in that war against Athens, mainly due to Athens being disorganized or a disorganized collection of cities. Well, Crete had an impressive navy and was more powerful than most other surrounding communities, according to the one source. I didn't just magically know that.
00:32:50
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but no I was thinking, because isn't Athena, is she not with the war? she not the goddess of the wars? think so. much wisdom warfare and craftsmanship says the so king minos was not satisfied with their victory over athens and he wanted more um oh no like retribution for the murder of his son he forced athens to send him
00:33:28
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sent him tributes. um And this also differs. Stuff either says every nine years he asked for tributes or every year he asked for tributes. oh But they they do agree that it these 14 tributes had to consist of seven young men and seven young women.
00:33:49
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And yeah, one of the sources said that they all had to be virgins. Um... And by tributes, though, are they sacrifices? Yeah, they're just sacrifices. So it's very like Hunger Games, unless these people are volunteering. I was just going to does anyone survive? Is it the first Hunger Games?
00:34:11
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God, I love a dystopian, let's pit our youths to in a fight to the deaths kind of story. So fucked up. Okay.
00:34:23
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um Yeah, so he asks for these tributes to be sacrificed to the Minotaur in the Labyrinth. on Which the Labyrinth, sorry, i don't know if i mentioned the Labyrinth is underground.
00:34:37
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um I guess so. Right. I don't think I said that. But it's the underground creatures or cryptids episode. of course, it's underground, even I didn't say it. I know, in my mind, I was like, it's it's the hidden cryptids, they're concealed, they're secret.
00:34:55
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And yeah, this is very subterranean, and that's always creepy. Yeah. ah Yeah, so this goes on for a few rotations, again, either every year or every nine years.
00:35:09
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But it is kind of... people yeah either every year um It is said, though, that during the third round of sacrifices that an Athenian hero Theseus volunteers to go.
00:35:27
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And um he is helped by ariane um who is the daughter of Pasiphae and Minos.
00:35:38
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So she's one of the family. she undoed yeah She ends up falling in love with Theseus and is like sad that he's volunteered to go and doesn't want him to die.
00:35:56
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she'll, yeah, she talks to that Daedalus guy that like designed the labyrinth and is like, is there anything I can do or like help me get him to be able to escape?
00:36:08
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The Labyrinth. um And he... The Labyrinth! Uh, so that Daedalus guy says that he can use a thread to get out.
00:36:23
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um A thread? ever Like a string? Yeah, if you've ever heard of like Ariadne's thread, it's normally like the red, the red string of fate also is kind of like a similar idea. It's like meant to lead you back to the person. um I have not.
00:36:42
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I just... heard that name in a book and I liked it. But it's very beautiful and i like to know that's cool to know the backstory. Yeah, one of my favorite shows, Ever Dark, um in one of the first episodes they like do a play and the play that they're doing is Ariadne's Thread and they're it's like kind of woven into the whole series. Well, that's appropriate because if ever there was a red string fucking...
00:37:11
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board needed for it to follow a show and yeah that is the show with the time yeah the timey-wimey and the the craziness yeah i won't put it like someone on a podcast kind of said something in like a spoilery way and i mean we can cut it out they were like you know like the the main guy is the bad guy from the future or something like he says in a way i was like oh oh Kind of. Don't say that. What?
00:37:42
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Yeah, was like, we don't have to keep that, but I was like, it's kind of like, you almost find out one of them is their own grandpa or whatever. It's just so weird and hard to wrap your head on. Yeah, very weird. That's the play that she's doing in the first season when she's got the red string and she's up on stage and wearing that white dress or whatever.
00:38:08
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Like the the daughter of one of the main fan... but Yeah. oh Yeah, that's the play that she's doing on the thing is Ariadne's thread. Interesting. And everyone's heard about the red strings. Like they do, they've done it on like shows and stuff. And then they use it, they use it a couple times to navigate the caves. They like tie it to one of the doors at one point, I think, like a red string. And then they have like clamps or whatever that it's kind of like strung through.
00:38:39
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yeah they don't linger on it a whole lot in the show, but it's definitely there. But this is like where it comes from, which I thought was also kind of cool. no So cool. Yeah, this is what that Daedalus guy tells her to tell Theseus. So he does it. He takes this string with him and he ties it to the door, like when they get put in the labyrinth.
00:39:01
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And according to various sources or different representations, it Theseus kills the Minotaur after like some form of struggle at the center of the labyrinth. either with his sword, a club, or with his bare hands.
00:39:20
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And then he leads all the other Athenians out of the labyrinth, like following the red string back through the labyrinth to get back to the door that they came in at.
00:39:32
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um Smart. Yeah. So once they escape the labyrinth, Theseus and Ariadne, they sail away and they actually like leave Crete.
00:39:45
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And i think they're going back to Athens, um because it says on the way home, Theseus abandoned Ariadne on the island Naxos.
00:40:01
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And then it continues to Athens. I saw a thing that said, like, she went on got married. I don't i don't think it was too bad. It was like wasn't working out. Maybe she had a... That i was quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was happily ever after, perhaps. It was the best thing. um Funny. Yeah. so that's, like, the whole story of the Minotaur.
00:40:26
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But there is like... a few things when you're looking at I guess like um there's obviously some different artwork and things that have been like that depict the Minotaur like there's this cool like looking coin and stuff that I found a picture of um I think it was just on like Wikipedia or whatever I'm sure there's variations all these stories yeah but it's like from Crete, I guess it
Archaeological Insights on Minotaur Myth
00:40:58
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was. And then there's like statues that were like um carved out of stone and everything. And then like different mosaics.
00:41:06
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um And then
00:41:12
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there's also um this like fresco that's like a mosaic. um you're right um And it's called the Leaping Bull.
00:41:25
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um which is kind of cool but there's yeah i have like different little things that I ran across I think these were all oh this was from classical wisdom um they kind of had like little snippets of explanation about but like different parts of the myth and maybe oh yeah how it came to be which I thought was kind of interesting um yeah like a fairy tale Yeah, I've been like, oh, why might that be, like, part of the lore or whatever? Yeah, what's the lesson here? Yeah. oh um So on that website, it said that in 1900 it's current era, an archaeologist named Sir Arthur Evans. 1900 CE, ouch.
00:42:12
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and know. That's like telling me I was born in 1988 It makes me feel ancient.
00:42:18
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science you feel ancient
00:42:23
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Jesus, okay So the early 1900s Alright, here we are Yeah, this Sir Arthur Evans, he began to dig in Crete In what his colleagues considered a demented and ridiculous search for a city of Knossos Which is the city it was considered to be the possible home of King Minos And it was like largely legendary um Surprisingly, they said that Evans was able to find it. And as he dug, he uncovered these ruins of an elaborate palace that
00:43:03
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um if you like if all of it remained like that he could uncover from how it was originally built, it would be something like five stories tall. And it would be very, very elaborate.
00:43:20
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If it wasn't on a boat ruins? Yeah. The palace would be about 1,300 rooms. um Yeah.
00:43:32
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How many bathrooms do you have to clean? Yeah.
00:43:37
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ah It was all laid out in like a winding, seemingly random order. And it said strangest of all, the palace had no hallways and that each room was connected to the next by small passageways.
00:43:51
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Yeah. So each room of these 1300 was connected to the next by small passageways, which resulted in rather dark, you could say, labyrinthian structure.
00:44:04
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um dark Oh! um Weird, though. That's like little rooms connected by passageways. I wasn't... That doesn't at first make me, like, picture, like, elaborate. To me, it isn't, like, elaborate. This is, like, all hallways or whatever, almost. Yeah.
00:44:22
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But it's just, like, a maze. um Yeah. So they said that to mainland Greeks, such as the Athenians who may have visited, this style of architecture would have seemed more than bizarre And it probably would have seemed threatening to them.
00:44:38
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um Certainly a little unnecessary like building. doesn't seem the most practical type of house to have. Yeah. um it probably or It's not difficult to believe that this one could have inspired the myth of this dark dungeon-like labyrinth being on Crete. If this is like their palace.
00:45:01
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Dungeon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so that's like kind of explanation on the possible like labyrinth idea. and Then there's also a number of bull related artifacts that are also were excavated around this time, as well as paintings and frescoes that depicted bulls.
00:45:22
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And it's possible that Minoans, Minoans, Minoans, minowns yeah rural turbs they engaged in what was called bull leaping where a young man would take a running jump at a charging bull uh grab its horns and then use the bulls in instinctual head snapping like motion to propel themselves into an aerobatic leap over the bull's back um
00:45:59
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what the fuck so you would like run at the bull and i guess you would like jump and like grab its horns and it would like whip its head back and the momentum would kind of you could like rotate yourself and kind of do like a flip over its back land perfectly on its back that's insane i've heard of running with the bulls um But yeah, there is nice level there's a fresco that's kind of, um a fake it's really famous. It's on the wall of the palace in Nosos.
00:46:32
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And it may even de detectck depict like this bull leaping. But they aren't sure that this ever actually happened. um Sounds dangerous. like Yeah, I'm sure it was. It's like crazy.
00:46:48
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um But yeah, because of all these artifacts and like artwork and statues and stuff, they found bulls in Crete. They said that like this sacred worship and importance of the bulls to the people could have carried over in like word of mouth to the Athenians.
00:47:06
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And it could have, over time, evolved into the idea of lusting after the animal. And having, and that this could have led to some sort of half-breed-like creature, like the Minotaur.
00:47:22
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so Like the Cher song. Half-breed. Sorry, no. That's all I ever heard. um I love Cher. Hi. Hello.
00:47:32
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What were you saying? That point was done. and i just have a couple more. I'm so sorry. my birthday The act of sacrifices to the Minotaur may have a arisen from mass graves that were found in the 1980s outside of that place of Nosos.
00:47:59
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um Yeah, this was like pretty bad. i guess the bones were that of children. and like when they were looking them over and like it studying them, the markings on them led them to believe That all of these kids suffered like violent deaths.
00:48:16
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And that it even appeared to depict some sort of ritual human sacrifice. um So that could have been happening. and maybe they were blaming it on the Minotaur or something.
00:48:31
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Because this is actual evidence you're talking about that they found out in real life on Earth. Yeah. Oh shit. They found these like huge mass graves. outside of that city yeah those are not not necessarily a good sign i mean sometimes it's mass graves from sickness and what have you but you said violent deaths yeah there was like oh my god yeah there was wasn't a lot of details but i'm sure you can tell from know like damage to bones that's how they figure out how people died a lot of the times um
00:49:10
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No, it's fascinating how they can figure that stuff out, like with the Aztecs and how they they knew that they did. Yeah, they did sacrifice and they found they had, I thought it was there where they were like, yeah, one of their young sacrifices was probably like from what we could find in their system or skeleton, like drugged or high on drugs and stuff like that. And you're just like, whoa, that's pretty fucked up, man. oh Yeah.
00:49:40
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um then the last thing I found this one was actually from Wikipedia and I'm sure there's more information about this one if you wanted to look it up but yeah um yeah this one was I don't know just kind of like offbeat to the other ones was there's like a geological interpretation to this whole story as well oh yeah you know how like they come up with myths and stuff to explain the world around them um yeah and things like that so they cited early descriptions of the minotaur um by i don't even know the callimachus who the fuck was he um i can't know who that is i don't have the rest of us no just kidding
00:50:33
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um Yeah, as being entirely focused on the cruel bellowing that the Minotaur made from its underground labyrinth. um other And that this could have been invented as an extension of the extensive tectonic activity that existed in the region.
00:50:51
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And there was this science journalist, Matt Kaplan, who theorized that the myth may have well stemmed from geology. So they said that there was actually a lot of earthquakes and sounds that would happen from like the tectonic plates shifting all of the time. Apparently it was a really active area. So part of the myth of the Minotaur was like this like bellowing and like yelling that they would hear from underground.
00:51:22
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that it would be making while it was trapped in the labyrinth. So they're saying like yeah maybe the shaking of the earth and from like earthquakes or the tectonic plates shifting and the sounds that made, they like kind of created this myth that there was a creature under the ground or whatever. I kind of get that.
00:51:45
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or like, I feel like I can wrap, try to wrap my head around it. If I think about like different stone and rocks formations and structures that sound weird when like wind goes through them and stuff. But then I'm like, tectonic plates?
00:52:00
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Could we actually hear that shit moving around? Yeah, you can hear earthquakes. mike But do you just hear like the results of what they make?
00:52:12
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oh No, I can't even. You can actually hear earthquakes. Okay. Okay. I guess I just thought maybe like you hear all like the buildings falling down and stuff like that and like you can't really hear.
00:52:26
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No, because like if it if you rub two rocks together, it doesn't make a sound. That's what's happening. If a tree falls in the woods. The earth is literally shifting against itself.
00:52:39
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um I'm sorry, my brain does shut down when it gets asked things happen. things are too philosophical i'm like wait i don't get this i'm done sorry but yeah because there's other ones that are like you know that myths or like legends that are created to um explain like the passing of seasons and why yes like this happens that form around science or yeah that's how it's just about like stuff they observe right yeah
00:53:12
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where they don't have a way to explain it. So was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. Then, like, it could have been all of that. But, yeah. No, it totally tracks that, like, it could be an explanation. explanation Yeah.
00:53:27
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And we're like, and this happens because the devil. But, like, you know, yeah, just explanations for things that we don't always fully understand, which is always interesting.
00:53:40
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Yeah. Yeah. I think Greek mythology, well, it can be confusing because everybody is connected with everybody else all of the time.
00:53:51
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So much sex. What does that mean? Yeah. Yeah. Incest, bestiality... Yeah, just a lot of weird shit. Zeus, big fan of the patriarchy. He's like, I just want to fuck everybody.
00:54:11
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Oh, anyway. I'm sorry I swore so much in this segment. I can't seem to keep my F-bombs under wraps, but that was, yeah, that was a lot to think about.
00:54:24
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And I liked it. Yeah. I thought it was interesting. it's there's a lot that's interesting i like when zeus i'm sure it's zeus when they're it's in the one of the thor movies where chris hemsworth you know he's thor and then he goes and they're at the council and zeus is at the head of it and he's played by like russell crow yeah it's great because he zaps all of uh thor's clothes off and then you get to see thor's butt and stuff it's wonderful
00:54:58
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That's all i have to say about that. Okay.
00:55:04
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Oh, my God. All right. Well, shall we be right back? Yeah. It's your first non-sponsors. Yeah.
00:55:16
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00:55:45
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00:56:31
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did zero minute zero second recording like it likes to do sometimes oh that's so stupid what gordo i'm not petting you
00:56:52
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once in a blue moon we record things and they don't go off the rails no i'm just kidding but I don't know if we were talking about that on the pod, but that it was a blue moon.
00:57:06
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What's Gordo? Is he settled? he's just right to the left of the laptop, just staring at me with puss in boots style big eyes.
00:57:20
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know. Rain loves those movies. They're funny, though. Speaking of good animated ones, yeah, they're funny. Damn. I like the, uh, what's Goldilocks hooks up with the three bears and they're just, ah they're a crime family. They be criming.
00:57:36
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No crime. It's been a long time since I watched them. Yeah, it's a cute one. Um, so oh boy, yes.
00:57:50
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I also have some names in mind that, uh, probably sound better if you're like, not a native English speaker English is myra my Spanish first language so I think these guys are called the land vatir excuse me
00:58:14
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um yeah but like they'd be like having that spelling where you see the a and the e and they're so close together they're like one letter and you're like what is with this yeah no Is this an actual like Germanic or Old Norse letter that we don't know?
00:58:32
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Yeah. So, but these guys, yeah, I got a little bit on them and then a little bit on another guy. And that's what I came up with after I looked up.
00:58:43
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Nice. It's not bad. Yeah. I was specifically looking to see if there were some that like might reside in and around caves and stuff. And, uh, yeah. Then I picked some.
Norse Mythology and Land Spirits
00:58:55
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um Yes, these land vatyr come from the Old Norse word for land spirits. So that's what that means. And they are typically found mostly in like Iceland and places like a bit in Norway, I think.
00:59:14
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Nice. It's where my dad's side of the family's from. That makes sense. would love... Yeah. I would, like... Well, yeah, from Norway, I guess.
00:59:27
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He found out recently, because he found his, like, his grandmother's or great-grandmother's, like, marriage certificate after my grandma died. he like, got all her paperwork, and then... Oh. Yeah.
00:59:40
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Because she wasn't very forthcoming with information about family. So you had to wait until she died, basically. Damn. That's even more annoying. Because sometimes it's just you don't know. But they there they don't know.
00:59:57
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Yeah, he always thought we were more, like, German and everything. then ah But no, I guess we're pretty Norwegian. So... I find that stuff interesting too, though, because I think Pat said something similar where his family or were straight up Swedish. And they like were. like His like grandpa like came right over from Sweden or something. But then like he goes over there with the army and they're like oh, your last name almost sounds like more Norwegian or something. So, you know, family ties, right? Like they crisscross. I don't know.
01:00:37
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Well, a lot. like smaller of countries there too so i think the overlap is a lot easier though that makes sense yeah would love we've talked about trying to go i mean it'd be harder now with like niece and nephew but yeah we talked about if we were gonna try and do like that side of the world, certain in Europe and everything that we would definitely want to try and do Norway. Yeah.
01:01:08
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A Europe trip's expensive. I don't know if you like keep it a bit smaller for sure. But yeah. Yeah.
01:01:16
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Sweden, that's probably top of Pat's bucket list. And then I got Scotland and my mom's like, we can go there. I'm like, okay, yeah, let me renew my passport first. But yes. Yeah.
01:01:28
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Yeah, that's where my mom's side of the family is from, too. That's, like, that's also on our list. Oh, my God. Some of most gorgeous Europe. All of Europe. Can't it be any more, like, rich in culture every everywhere you go? It's so cool. But it's so fucking expensive. i don't know. I have heard.
01:01:53
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And then, like, you've got to try not to overdo it, like, where people are, like, i like I want to do Scotland, but i want to do it right. want be like, I want to Scotland and Ireland. People be like, I want to Canada. You're like, Canada is too big. You can't do it in one trip. Yeah. That's.
01:02:06
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Yeah. I mean, you can, but that is a long ass road trip and it is not fun. Yeah.
01:02:16
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Yeah.
01:02:19
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Any brother yells at you. Yeah. Yeah. You lose your seal in a hotel in Saskatchewan. You have to get him back on the way back.
01:02:31
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It's fine. We're fine. oh And I've still never been to Newfoundland or parts of the North. So, goddammit, Canada's big. Anyway. ah Yeah.
01:02:45
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So, these guys, these land spirits, they are, you know, they be inhabiting that whole land. They believe they're in the Sauks. No, I can't talk.
01:02:58
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The socks. No!
01:03:02
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tried to say the soil and the rocks.
01:03:08
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swear i And even drunk.
01:03:15
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So, the spirits are found in the soil, the rocks, the forests, and the coastlines. these landvatir and their importance has helped to literally shape Icelandic law, influence art and national identity and inspires ecological and spiritual reflection in their modern world.
01:03:34
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Kind of cool. Nice. Yeah. So as far back as what was found in medieval literature in Iceland, like the Landnambok,
01:03:49
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aka the Book of Settlements, ah forget my pronunciation, and the Heimskringla, which also helps preserve oral traditions all the way back to the Viking Age, um like they talked about these spirits. And to make sure they appease them, they do certain preventive steps to keep them happy, like before farming or working the land, people would always...
01:04:14
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perform little rituals like offering food or little bits of ale and blood sometimes sacrifice yeah no and i wouldn't give anything my blood yeah yeah i don't know if they just mean like they tip a little blood out of the cup first of them homies or what but i think it's little bit more low-key you know gross um the but no it's mostly like just about the the harmony with nature and how it's important to the people of these areas especially essential to surviving on the land there and certain like being in harmony with everything um just like that reminds me of other indigenous cultures before
01:05:00
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people come storming in. oh respecting ah The land to live on? Yeah, God, it's not a dumpster.
01:05:12
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What a concept. Don't don't overuse. Don't overconsume. Take only what you need. Help your fellow man. yeah you're here as much as the land is here, but you don't own it.
01:05:24
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but You're going to go back to it when you did. and You're part of it. Yeah. There was a historian, and I didn't think I'd heard his name before, but it's also just maybe because it's fun, Story Sturlson.
01:05:42
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who wrote a story about them as far back as the 13th century, these landvateria mentioned. Damn, that's old. It's old, but also part of these names sounds young when you talk about Danish King Harold Bluetooth.
01:05:59
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but Wi-Fi. Right? i always forget that was a fucking guy in history. I've never heard of that before.
01:06:09
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Oh no, don't know the Bluetooth symbol is like a combination of two runes? I think it's a bee and another letter. Oh, I've heard that. Yeah. I've heard that. And I believe it's in in reference to this Danish king, Harald. Damn.
01:06:23
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Harald, you know, with A's. Bluetooth. Yeah. um Whom he sent a sorcerer disguised as a whale to spy on Iceland. Disguised as a whale.
01:06:36
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excuse Yeah, he like wizarded himself into a whale cool cool his spy sorcerer so cool and the sorcerer swam along the norwegian sea to iceland and he met some characters along his travels uh the dragon in the east the eagle in the north the bull in the west the bull and the giant slash mountain troll in the south So like typical epic tale where I'm sure you had to fight them or whatever. I don't really know. Probably.
01:07:09
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Sounded cool. Um, so in a way, these guys aren't that hidden because they do kind of crop up in a lot of folklore. And then like, as they said here, they, these creatures, these creatures that, um, that we just talked about the bull and whatever, they represent the land Vat here. And they also appear on the country's coat of arms.
01:07:34
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Oh, darn. I should have got, I didn't think I had any pictures for this one, but one website had a picture of their coat of arms and how it had like a dragon, I guess, and an eagle and a bull. And i don't remember if had a mountain troll, but yeah, but it was still cool. Yeah. I mean, for like, all they talk about, like fucking Canada and the U S our flakes suck.
01:07:57
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They're shit. Oh. do you have a coat of arms? I'm not sure. Like, sometimes on Widencrime they would talk about whatever state they were covering and they're a weird coat of arms. I know Alberta has one. It's just like a bunch of fucking weed and stuff. That makes sense.
01:08:18
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Prairie province. We're not even the most known as a prairie province either. as feel like fucking manitoba and saskatchewan are more than us i suppose i don't know i did read at least one um as we didn't talk about dystopian books at the beginning yeah there was one where they're like and then we actually did us and like saskatchewan did become like absorbed into america is like not exactly the 51st or state or whatever but it was like because they didn't have enough grain producing um like states anymore and it's like sometimes these books are so realistic as to be depressing like give me the zombies and stuff i don't want to just like hear about how sad the world is and then we everyone's poor and we became part of the u.s because nobody had enough food
01:09:17
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Oh yeah, because the US is doing so well. Fuck. They should become part of us. Fuck you.
01:09:25
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Oh my god, don't get us started. They're... Like, not really having a vote, but having a referendum. And our... What was it? Our premier our prime minister was like, well, we have to make sure people feel like they have ah right to say.
01:09:43
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And you're like... What, are you gonna have a vote next on if the vote fucking earth is black? Come on. We're never gonna be coming. Yeah, I feel like... So dumb.
01:09:55
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No. If people actually looked at how much is involved to separate a province from country, I mean, what, fucking Quebec has been threatening it for... as long as I've been alive there's been how many referendums and when people actually look into how much fucking money it costs because you need to set up your own fucking government and money system and all that shit when you actually figure out how much that costs to figure out people like it's tricky we're good like no I remember excuse me there was yeah there's we we've heard a lot about that yeah growing up that
01:10:32
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yeah I had to study the different years and the different percentages and memorize that shit when I was in social studies in school because it would be on a test in like whatever referendum for Quebec what was the percentage that voted yes and you would be asked about that it was close though apparently when they had to do that in the 90s it was like they almost did vote too it was a lot of times very close I don't think we're anywhere near that here but like Right. No, it is interesting, though. Yeah, it's definitely interesting to see, like... Because you're not supposed to lie like you're not supposed to use the same currency as another country, so you would have to fucking invent your own currency. Do you know how much that costs? Who's going to produce it in Alberta? Who's going to pay to make your fucking currency? You think our taxes wouldn't skyrocket while we try and figure all this shit out?
01:11:22
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Who's going to hijack your computer so it talks to you in French, primarily? Oh, my God. Trying to make it a mistake.
01:11:31
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Yeah. No, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's because my my laptop thinks I'm in America. It's like... Ugh, if only it did.
01:11:44
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then I would have been able to watch Outlander sooner. Oh my god! Anyway. Yeah, that is crazy. I don't remember learning about it so much in school. But maybe I was skipping that class. Yeah.
01:11:58
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it was just like in social studies they talked about it every every once in a while was just like oh my god we get it they don't want to be part of canada like there's probably maybe like obviously not a huge majority based on the like voting and the fact that people want actually come out when these things seem to get voted yeah but like i get it like i don't know we have a weird national identity where we were like We don't necessarily want to be like rebellious like you Americans. We'll just go up here and some of us will be kind of British still and some of us be kind of French.
01:12:34
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Or vigorously French. Oh my god, we're on a tangent. Anyway. ah but but but pa but Oh yes, they did appear. So this Gragas is I'm guessing the pronunciation.
01:12:53
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Pronunciation, but there was an accent on something. so who knows um and this was iceland's medieval law code and it actually forbade any ships to enter a harbor that had dragon heads on their prow so they did this because they never wanted to anger the spirits of the coast um i guess they didn't get along dragons maybe or that was just too menacing to see coming in rare and
01:13:24
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Yeah. The front, you know, the figurehead Mermaids only. Yes. It's gotta be a woman, preferably with a breast beard, you know, for luck. But women aren't allowed on the ship.
01:13:36
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Exactly. That's bad luck. Unless they come on the ship and then we're like, well, at least show us a tit and then it's good luck again.
01:13:47
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um Yes, they're very respectful of these spirits. Uh...
01:13:54
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and they don't want to anger them they don't want anger the spirits of the soil they don't want to make mad the soul of some sacred tree like they just were like making don't leave anything behind that can hurt them like pollution and try not to be too greedy and like just pillaging the land and stuff right i guess
01:14:18
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which i love it yeah it's like you're proper stewards of the land you're living with the land And then I came across sort of a fun fact it was that they're part of the Vatir or of the like God groups, I guess you could call them, that we or I mentioned way back in episode one talking about Norse mythology.
01:14:42
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Damn. Can you imagine? It's been so long. I didn't remember very well that. Yeah. No, it's been a thousand years ago. You think we would remember that episode better considering had to record it like three times. And back then when everything was editing was a million years. i I recorded it in the other room on a fold-up table talking into my cell phone with my notes printed.
01:15:14
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Oh, you didn't start in a closet? in The classic, I'm doing this in a closet, everyone says. No, I was doing in an empty room with all of the echoes available. Oh my god, yes.
01:15:29
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The Vatir. Apparently, in case we need to refresh our memory, ah these are described as a diverse family of spirits inhabiting every corner of the Norse cosmos.
01:15:44
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Sorry, had a typo.
01:15:48
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um They consist of subgroups like the Vathavatir, or water spirits, the Burgavatir, mountain spirits, and the Skogarvatir, or forest spirits. I have to mention that one to Pat because it's part of his last name. He went by DJ Skog.
01:16:10
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Nice. Or as I told him, I think his name means... Patrick John John Oak Forest.
01:16:20
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Oh no. Figure that out. Yes.
01:16:25
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um So this pursuit of harmony with the earth persisted post-Christianization of the Iceland, meaning like from the years 1000 CE and forward.
01:16:38
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Yeah, that's way older. Yeah. 1900 CE. was like, oh, so not the year 1900? Why did they feel the need to attach the CE? We get that. i don't know. And then I didn't even think of it when I was, like, typing it out. I was like, yeah, sure.
01:16:56
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nothingling It is, yeah, sometimes it is a little hard to conceptualize the year 1000, though. So I'm like, okay. Yeah. um Yeah, but they're still, like, known today in Iceland for their strong ties to their folklore, like ah respecting of trolls and stuff. I feel like we have talked about this too, because I know I always yeah yeah come across that. This is crazy. So the construction plans might be altered or stopped or reconsidered to make sure that the spirits of the land are happy and the road's not going to go through a troll hole or whatever. um
01:17:34
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And I learned that this word as Asatru, that's probably not how you say it, but it was like a name for a revival of Norse paganism where people, modern people now are honoring the old ways through rituals like such as pouring milk or mead out to their homies.
01:17:54
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No blood this time. Just pouring one out. Or like leaving small stones or rune stones in the woods or simply speaking out words of gratitude aloud in the forest or in a be loud glade.
01:18:09
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and that's the land that year.
01:18:14
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Fun. The lore. Sounds cool. Okay, this one I did have a few pictures.
01:18:26
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Perhaps if I can open up the They were in a folder. i just didn't upload them.
01:18:34
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But yeah. pictures of we're gonna be talking about the Tatsul worm. Have you heard of her? okay No, don't think so.
01:18:49
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Oh, there it goes. I thought I told her to open up your cat.
01:18:55
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Drive, drive, take me to the drive.
01:19:01
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did open it earlier. had to reopen everything
01:19:11
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I'll just open that. Or upload that if I can.
01:19:20
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Fold upload.
01:19:27
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I see. put some ball pictures, eh? Yeah.
01:19:36
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I see them now.
01:19:40
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little bull mosaic or fresco or whatever he's like his his posture is reminding me of this thing they said like the rats the the female rats mice do when they're ready to get laid when they're in heat and they like arch their back and they like put their butt right up it's in the face the one bull just like ah his back reminded me of that oh
01:20:11
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Anyway. Okay, I think it's in there now. labeled i pulled in secret cryptids or something.
01:20:22
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Anywho's it? Okay. So. oh my god, it's a kitty. It looks like a kitty. They have weird cat features apparently. so cute.
01:20:39
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It's like toothless, especially this one. Yes. Okay. So it might sound like it's like a tremors kind of like Mongolian death worm, but like, no, it's called worm because it's like a ah wormy kind of dragon cryptid.
Introduction to the Tatsul Worm Cryptid
01:20:59
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So I don't know for sure if they all live in caves, but they usually live, these ones are found in mountains and particularly in the ah mountain range of the Alps. So they're Alpine cryptids.
01:21:12
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Nice. Yeah. And when I was typing up my notes, I was like, there's like a lot of sightings. Like most of this was sightings. A lot of it was. But anyway.
01:21:24
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Oh. yeah. Like, don't know. They're um known by quite a few names, seeing as the the Alps, you know, touch, you know, at least three different countries, mainly like with Switzerland and Italy and Austria being the main ones. But like they've been talked about in a few countries as well. So they go by different names. You might hear lindworm or arrasas.
01:21:58
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that's the french one i'm not sure that's how you say it but dotsil worm or are some of the other main ones they're called but like their main characteristics are always the same in the different stories so they have serpentine bodies yeah yeah sneaky um Usually they have a couple of clawed front limbs. Sometimes they have other legs, but I would say most often the common is like they just have the two. um and yeah that part is weird.
01:22:32
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the the legs? Yeah, it's like ah like a dragon, but it's only got the two front legs. Yeah, yeah like a half dragon.
01:22:43
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Like, I think I have it further down, but like sometimes they call like a fire drape. kind of thing yeah because they're just like dragon snake oh it does kind of make the word drake sorry um but what what weirds me out with these ones is they're always like they have big heads and bright cat eyes and like you opened it up yeah i don't know which one you opened up but you said cat something and i was like yeah this one that says cat soul worm Well, I, don't you know what I call, I labeled that cats the worm and I was like, I'm funny.
01:23:20
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Well, because it immediately, like, I don't know if it was just because it's, like, the black and scales and everything, but it reminded, it looks like Toothless from How to Train Your Dragon. yeah. And was like, oh, it's a kitty. It's a kitty. Like, sort of, yeah, like ah a smooth, kind of harmless-y dragon. Yeah, I agree. He's got Toothless vibes, big eyes, not big teeth. A cute little triangle nose instead of a scary... um like dragon mouth it's like a cat face yeah it's a lot less scaly and a lot more like i don't know yeah ah like oh there was that one they have on the uh fantastic beasts and where to find them and they're they're snake-ish but i think they had like wings or something too anyway i like i love a snakey crypt they're always so weird excuse me um
01:24:19
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They can be different lengths, like anywhere from two to six feet long seems to be the consensus. It can be pretty... like It's not too bad. It's not like crazy dragon size. that's true. They're more like people sized. Yeah, I would like a two foot long one.
01:24:39
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yeah it's I take that. But they do sometimes be poison flames, so you can watch out for that. Oh. Kitty has claws. Yeah.
01:24:54
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They'll be found lurking on the mountainsides and they're sometimes depicted as also guarding treasure, which is kind of fun. dr
01:25:04
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um Written records. Yeah, so there were some sightings going back as far as I have here 1800s, but I'm pretty sure there one that was like 1600s too, so pretty old Yeah.
01:25:19
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Maybe not as old as other guys, but there was one official in 1836 in a Bavarian hunting manual, which was called the new pocket guide of the year 1836 for nature, forest and hunting enthusiasts. It
01:25:36
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reminds me of farmer's almanac or something. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the weather. um think this is where a Bernard Heuvelmans had his description of the creature as a curious, shaped, like a scaly cigar.
01:25:56
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um Maybe he had like an illustration. i don't know
01:26:04
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it's It's unclear. But it he said it had formidable teeth and wretched little stumps of feet. oh no not wretched not wretched not stumps yeah which one is it there is one um case in america it's not like the loveland frogman but it's something like specific to one region i thought And they were like, when they described it as a he having like arms that came right out of its chest. And then when they get to the end of it, the case and they're like, oh, and some people's theories are that it's like an escaped kangaroo. i was like, that actually kind of makes sense. Cause they're like short short little arms kind of just come right out of their little chest.
01:26:51
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Um, but like i don't know what this one could be i really don't like they have some theories but to me they don't really make as much sense as that one did oh fuck can't remember what it's called but anyway um so there was a pretty well-known encounter in 1779 where a man named hans Fuchs saw to two of these Tatsul worms apparently and he ran home and he like he was so scared he just ran home and he told his family and then he fell over dead after telling them what he saw. Yeah that was pretty fucked up. I was like oh shit.
01:27:35
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Whether you had a heart attack I don't know. And there's been a few times where people said they had like bodies and skeletons So in 1828, allegedly a corpse was found by a peasant, but before he got it home, he said it was just in such bad shape. It was like half eaten.
01:27:52
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I don't know. I don't know what he was trying to do with it. Sell it maybe. Um, another instance in 1954, Swiss photographer said he was out setting up on the mountain, apparently going to take a picture of like a fallen log and he's setting up his camera.
01:28:10
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Fantastic. we Yeah, what, 1954, do they, that's not still like those cameras you have to set up on a, or maybe he had a tripod, I don't know. feel like it wasn't one of those real old-timey cameras, though, you know what i mean? Like, it's, we almost had Polaroids then. We don't have to put, like, the clicky ones with the cape over the head and the, like.
01:28:31
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No, I'm sure it was, like, just a film-style camera. I don't know those. What's the oldest one you have? The oldest one I have? Yeah, you have old cameras, don't you?
01:28:44
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have I have a couple. Yeah. The one is, like, the box cameras. Like, there's still ones you could put around your neck and stuff with a strap, Yeah.
01:28:59
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Yeah. Must be something like that. i don't know, though. He may have been setting up some sort of a tripod. Yeah. or setting up his shot, lining it Yeah, there's like brownie box ones might be some of the oldest ones. Hold on.
01:29:15
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I've never heard of them. Yeah, they were like square.
01:29:23
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Yeah, I'm sure it's quite still bit bulky, but like, yeah, it's mobile. Oh, okay. This one says like 1900 to 1910. so definitely in 1950 something he could have yeah a regular like film camera right and it's mobile enough that he is on a mountain with it so like yeah whatever Whatever he's doing to set up the shot, it's taking him a minute. But then when he like looks up or into the viewfinder or whatever, and he's looking to the log, it had moved.
01:29:56
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And then it left. He was like, oh shit. What? And he like told everybody, and apparently it inspired a German magazine to sponsor a search of the area, but nothing really seemed to come of that.
01:30:11
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Damn. Must have been nothing better going on in this news for them to sponsor a search for a man that said a log moved. know, right? Oh, shit.
01:30:23
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Sorry. These um headphones, I'm scared because they're like so... sensitive that like I would accidentally it was like there's no button on them when I first got them and but then like you touch them and they do they start playing and stuff so I was like I just touched them and they made a clicky noise and i was like what did I do I didn't want to turn them off or anything ah anyway okay I can still hear you so I think yeah okay um yeah that was really weird German magazine sponsored a search
01:30:58
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Oh, and then funnily enough, that's where I decided to put in the other spelling I'd seen where it was, it's almost spelled like pretzel worm. Pratzel worm. God, I love a Bavarian hot pretzel.
01:31:13
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um Apparently was there was a skeleton recovered and sent in to the Geneva Institute in around the year 2000, along with a donation with this specimen. But like, it was almost completely anonymous. It was through...
01:31:28
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some company or corporation or whatever and like nobody knows exactly who was behind that one don't know i'm like they don't seem to have any surviving specimens for all the talk of corpses and yeah skeletons they found
01:31:49
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several less um sort of specific in time times and things like names and whatever anecdotes exist. um One such tale is this of a Swiss girl who was living on a farm out chopping bean poles one day when she apparently disturbed a tetzel worm at rest or in its nest or whatever, hidden amongst the garden stalks.
01:32:14
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And when she saw it, it was like a small one. It was gray, kind of house cat sized. man Hairless and fleshy. Ew.
01:32:26
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Not at all anymore. Yeah, less cute. She ran from it, and it's glaring bright laser beam eyes. And yeah, like she literally couldn't even look at its eyes. They were so bright. She had to look away, she said. i was like, wow.
01:32:41
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Yeah. Oops.
Tatsul Worm Sightings and Folklore
01:32:44
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And then it went up again. how did that happen?
01:32:51
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Another was a tale of a man and a son out gathering herbs in the mountains when they walk apart for a little bit. And then the father suddenly hears his son screaming, bolts to where he's standing.
01:33:02
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His son is staring in fear down at like a rock or a big rock, a boulder on the ground. And the man just looks behind it just in time to see a gruesome monster trying to slip under the rock.
01:33:13
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ah It's hissing at them as it writhed and they managed to stab it with a sharp stick whereupon slid. uh, bled green blood, which sprayed out and it burned the man where it splashed on him.
01:33:29
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Apparently. Ew. Gross. I know. I was like, damn, you stabbed it. Allegedly.
01:33:41
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Um, yeah. A couple more encounters. July, 1883. A man said he
01:33:51
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I don't even know I'm saying that right. Yeah, he's done over. He watched it. He just saw one. Yeah.
01:34:00
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Low key. But no, he's in like, ah breath his name was Caspar Arnold. This guy has a name. Nice. That's a fun name. Caspar. Yeah.
01:34:11
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Caspar. He was eating in this restaurant. um Oh, this is a fun name too. On the Spielberg. but
01:34:20
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near ho che filzen that's probably not how it's fit but when you get a ch and then an f i don't know what to tell you
01:34:35
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like siobhan oh siobhan the irish spelling with the one character on a modern family where he he's He's played by Kelsey Grammer, the famous actor from Frasier and everything, but his name is Keith.
01:34:57
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or It like ends with a PTH or something stupid and he's Mitchell's accent. Like his name is ridiculous. It's a tragedy.
01:35:09
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Um, yeah, this one is like, he's sitting in this restaurant and this is in, um,
01:35:16
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on the Spielberg, in the place, in the blah, blah, blah, in Austria. ah well The restaurant is on the mountain, has a view of the mountainside, it's got a lovely, clear outlook.
01:35:28
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So, he said he like watched it for like 20 minutes as this creature went above his business, apparently. was like, wow.
01:35:37
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You're just eating your steak. Yeah.
01:35:44
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So... Yeah, I think tried to include the most interesting encounters because there was, like, a lot of them are, like, sighting, and then there was a sighting, and I was like, wow, okay.
01:35:58
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I wrote down a lot of fucking sightings, I guess, you know, like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, usually they're seen with two legs and another two-legged creature was seen near a place called Roros in Salzburg, Austria in the summer of 1921. And the two witnesses said this one leapt like nine feet straight up at them and was about two to three feet long, gray, and had a cat head. So it leapt pretty far considering how short it was.
01:36:26
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Yeah, that sounds scary. But cats can leap pretty far considering how... low to the ground and short there don't know yeah yeah like they can they'll jump pretty high but they can yeah helps with their momentum they'll like yeah kind of almost like propel themselves off of something almost too like they don't typically leap from like they couldn't leap from the ground to like the ceiling necessarily without yeah without like catching themselves on something for like another kick or like a boost or something yeah my dog has to take a running running go at getting up on our bed although our new mattress is little bit lower but yeah exactly you know who's they're really good at and yeah i was listening to a podcast where they're talking about how bats are able to like
01:37:30
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it was like how bats get high i was like what do you mean but it's like no they can like propel themselves in ways that other like other things with wings cannot because they have like their wings are so connected to them and they have like a lot of bones like they're like almost like their hands and stuff so they like they're like they can like be zooming upwards and then make a landing where they're like hanging upside down because they hang upside down and you're like damn yeah they're like the fighter pilots of the animal work yeah interesting it's like fuck trying to put things on pigeons and why are they always trying to make pigeons smuggle things and into prisons and then they have that thing where they're like trying to make cats do what they wanted to be spies where they were like the cia oh yeah yeah put like radios in them make them and you're like you can't make cats do anything you idiots no
01:38:25
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yeah i mean the bats they try to like put little bombs on like little incendiary devices and the bats were like i'm just gonna go into this barn and then also into this like military guy's like car and we're gonna blow that up like yeah
01:38:43
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sorry anyway it was so interesting um Oh yeah, so then they find, allegedly in 1990, they found their first skeleton version of it.
01:38:57
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Or did we already talk about skeleton? Because they find like at least one legend skeleton.
01:39:07
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Said one was donated or something. Ah, yes, that's right. Someone like donates one to the Geneva Institute allegedly, but I don't know, you can't like seem to find pictures. And then this might've been a second one. It was found apparently near Domadosa in Italy.
01:39:24
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And, um, another Italian incident where this Giuseppe cost Costale guy saw one, uh, tats a worm or whatever, zigzagging down a Piso Cronia place. on two separate occasions. So he had seen it in the same area.
01:39:44
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this was early nineties as well. So I guess it wouldn't have been the same one as a skeleton they found, but he said it looked like a great crested reptile. so interesting.
01:39:57
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Um, yeah, some more sightings cropped up in a place called Trasivio in Italy near the Swiss border. And the authorities then blamed it on a missing or Possible missing monitor lizards.
01:40:11
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Is what they said. Monitor lizards? What do those look like? Um, are they one of the ones the, like, big lizards that have the big legs and they have, like, bellies close to the ground?
01:40:29
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Because, um, they also mention, like, gila monsters. You know? Some of those guys that are big lizards, they kind of do look like fat little dragons.
01:40:40
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Yeah, but they don't look like cats and they normally have four legs still. That is true. That is true. And you can kind of yeah, their bellies are kind of close to the ground. I can, in some these big old lizards and, but they still visibly have four legs. You're right. Yeah.
01:40:55
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So I don't know the elders of this town, um, that had the crop of sightings, um, in Italy, they said it was the Basilisco or in English, the basilisk.
01:41:08
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So that's kind of interesting, I thought.
01:41:15
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ah Any theories, if I can deign to call them that, are that, yeah, maybe they are remnants of a leftover species, like a giant salamander.
01:41:27
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Maybe that most ah are extinct, but kind of look like a bit like a gila monster or another big lizard, some big old skink. I just think that's a fun one to say.
01:41:40
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But who knows, right? Like the sightings are undeniable. There's like quite a spattering of them when you look up the research. That is interesting. but Yeah, you don't always have that.
01:41:53
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Like, yeah.
01:41:56
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But like they probably still, they think they hibernate um on around in the Alps, in crevices, caves with the like. So yeah, they're probably hidden part of the year.
01:42:07
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They may or may not eat some livesock livestock, like farm animals to live off of. um Because there was a bit of a story about that.
01:42:19
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And I have that, but also just that they are found in general in folklore from all over ah Austria, Bavaria, France, Italy, and Switzerland, where all the Alps are. And the Swiss tend to say, or like call them Stalin worms, which I guess means tunnel worm, which I thought was kind of fun. um And I'm pretty sure it said in the play in the what's called the Bernese Alps.
01:42:47
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I don't know what that is. but they're called dragons of the mine tunnels. I don't know. It was just like Minecraft mine tunnels. Um, yeah, but in that way, it brought me to the point and the, the articles that pointed out that's similar to other Germanic type dragons. So from other kind of folklore who tend to live underground in tunnels or just in the earth. And I was like, yes, underground. Um, yeah.
01:43:20
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you have the actual i guess the lindworm um the fafnir the need hog need hog need hog the swedish analogues and i don't know when i'm like analog and the flog drakes so just briefly the fafnir is a sort of dwarf or humanoid that shifts into the form of a germanic dragon to protect a treasure
01:43:48
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The Nidhogg is a dragon that in Norse myth that gnaws on the root of the world tree or eggdressil. i was like damn And the Flogdrake is a dragon in Swedish lore and sometimes in places like Estonia and Finland that's like a fire drake, which I understand is kind of shaped like the like these guys like where they usually only have front legs and then they're kind of like snake yeah you know sort of more like the chinese dragon their poison breath can also be called attery breath uh but they all tend to shriek hiss or even whistle in the stories
01:44:30
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Why is whistling always so creepy with cryptids? Like never, you never want to hear whistling at night or in the forest or anywhere. It's always bad. like Yeah. It's like the wind whistling through the trees or something.
01:44:48
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Yeah. If it sounds far away, it's probably close to you. oh All those tropes are creepy too. Um, yeah, just to round it out, there was one scene around a Frumsen mountain in Altsaks, Switzerland, that was around seven feet in length.
01:45:07
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So that one was pretty big and seen by two witnesses. And apparently around the same time, the nearby farmland had farmers reporting their cows' udders had been sucked on.
01:45:21
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Ew.
01:45:24
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Yeah, but like... if they were only sucked on does that mean they weren't killed like at least they weren't like sucked their whole blood out of like the chupacabra or whatever i don't know choosing to believe they just had their udders milked yeah what does that mean allegedly this stopped once this creature was actually killed so whether or not it was plaguing them That's one story where they said they killed one and then another where a man named Hans Curly claimed he killed one that had 10 babies in it.
01:46:02
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The specimen. And that's sad. I'm sorry. huh um Finally, I'm going to end it with this 70 year old man's encounter. is Jay Edgerton of Leans.
01:46:15
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He's 70. What? What? that what you're laughing at? yeah I know, right? They're so hardy. He's probably just walking up the mountain because he's from this place on Mount Camor. And he had an encounter with a worm who breathed his poison addery breath on him. And this guy, he didn't die. He just got super dizzy and had a headache.
01:46:41
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He's a mirror. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, they breathe that fresh mountain air, man. I mean, I gotta guess, there I hope they're in really good health. And that's what I'll tell myself.
01:46:53
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Yeah. Hearty mountain folk. At 70, I would not be a taking mountain hikes. That's for sure. No.
01:47:05
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We gotta get hiking, girl. That's funny. Well, anyway, that's, that's, anyway, I had to end it somewhere. that I had so many, I was like, I have too many sightings almost. Let's just try and keep the interesting ones.
01:47:21
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So
01:47:25
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believe I believe, believe in the tats of
01:47:29
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ah Yeah. It's a cute one. Like the cat picture. Why does he have cat head? Or like cat eyes or however they're always describing.
01:47:44
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big bright eyes and his big cat head. So strange.
01:47:51
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Like a cat and a dragon had a baby.
01:47:57
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Ugh.
01:48:01
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Why? Anyway, they should make a Tats a Worm movie. I don't even weather tremors. Even though.
01:48:09
Speaker
Was it Tremors 2 or Twisters 2? I don't remember now. One of them has worm creatures.
01:48:17
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God damn it. I don't think Twisters does. That's about chasing tornadoes.
01:48:25
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But maybe they invented a folklore that explained the Twisters. Yeah. yeah all right It was sharks. Sharks swimming in the air caused tornadoes.
01:48:37
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All five of them. but However many movies there were.
Teaser for Next Episode and Outro
01:48:41
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Oh, no. Alright, well, do you want to tell them what we finally decided on for next week?
01:48:49
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It took us while. I can't even remember. Okay. I have regular episode. Petty pranks. Mm-hmm.
01:49:01
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Sounds right. I'm so tired. I'm sorry. Alright, that's fair. That's fair. I told Alana I had a nap. ah Sadly, only an hour today and I've been worse because of it. i have been half asleep for almost six hours.
01:49:31
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Oh, yeah, yeah. My dad could, like, pull over and be like, I'm tired, I'm driving, and he could nap for, like, 20 minutes and, like, snap right out of it. I'm like, that is a superpower that you did not pass down to me.
01:49:45
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I can't do that. No. If it had been earlier in the day, I definitely would have slept longer, but I couldn't. It was, like... 4pm.
01:49:58
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what ah yeah i couldn't, I could not stay awake for any longer. i was so tired. My computer problems started probably around like 1 2.
01:50:09
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And I was frustrated, fucking pissed off at it. wasn't working. and Then it was being slow. i had to go put it on the charger. I'm going to go out and get, Oh, we need to get toilet paper. Cause all of sudden let me go do that. Cause I can't just sit here and like not hydrate myself and do my notes. Now my computer isn't working and I'm literally trying to work on the podcast, but everything is saying no.
01:50:34
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And then I came back here and I was taking my notes from like five to six or something.
01:50:43
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Oh guys, it's all for you guys. It's all for you.
01:50:49
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Yep. We'll let Kelsey go to bed. Yeah, I'm so tired. Yeah, i'm gonna lay on the couch.
01:50:59
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We'll catch you next time. bye bye.
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01:52:13
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01:52:59
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Which in itself is... We're no fuck off.
01:53:07
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Blooper reel. Like, just so fucking annoying. Right? was he trying to do? Take over the mic? Yeah, I don't know.
01:53:19
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He's like, well, actually... i'm Just kidding. Just pisses me off because he was here in a dead sleep. It was like, why do have to wake up? And then immediately start doing shit.
01:53:30
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Oh my god, worse timing, yeah.
01:53:35
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Um...