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051 - Approaching Goaltending Scientifically with Dr. Jamie Phillips
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Show notes are available at https://thediygoalie.com/pod051
This week we sit down with former pro goalie Dr. Jamie Phillips, who has a doctorate in physiotherapy and co-hosts the Goalie Science podcast. Dr. Phillips provides us with insights on his approach to playing the position and coaching goalies, as well as shedding some light on how your approach off the ice can really help with performance and injury prevention.
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Introduction to DIY Goalie Podcast and Dr. Jamie Phillips
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Welcome to the DIY Goalie Podcast, where hosts and goalie coaches Nathan Park and Connor Munday share their insights on how to become a better goalie.
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Goalies, how's it going? Welcome back to the DIY Goalie podcast presented by True North Goaltending. Once again, back in the driver's seat here today. Nathan Park again on assignment ah for this week, but we are joined by a very, very special guest and somebody well known in the goaltending community, Dr. Jamie
Dr. Jamie Phillips: Background and Education
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Phillips.
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Jamie, thanks for coming on today. Hey, thank you. Honestly, I usually go by doctor because I paid a lot of money for the title, so but it doesn't really matter. Fair enough. Well, fair enough. I mean, you mean you yeah you have it, you might as well own it, right? so ah But no. Well, thanks for having me on, Connor. Thanks for having me on ah no ah No problem. with just ah Again, for those, if you're living under a rock, Jamie Phillips, a goaltending coach out in Michigan, as well as a certified physiotherapist, um doing a lot of great stuff in the goaltending community, and also is one of the hosts of goalie so of the Goalie Science Podcast with Mr. Derek Boudjan.
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Jamie, how are things going for you this week, and what's what what have you been up to lately? Things are going well. I mean, it's only Tuesday this week, so time will tell. But my life, as you described, as being a goalie coach, a physio,
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Doing all the things I do is very, very busy, but right now we only have one team. So I'm also director goaltending at Fox Motors, AAA, and we only have one team at Nationals next weekend. So my evenings have freed up during the week for the first time in about eight months. I get to be home before 9 p.m. So it's great. my My wife's happy. And then I get to ah get to relax a little bit before a very, very busy off season.
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one of those One of those great things. We just wrapped up our our Monday sessions with one of our minor hockey teams. and so
Jamie's Early Hockey Experiences and Transition to Goalie
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um one of the One of the past guests that we had, Evan Carrillo, was like, this is what my house looks like after four she You're not at the rink from 5 to 6 or whatever. so but but yeah no definitely I think it'll be a little bit of a more quiet quiet offseason for us this year. but Nathan's definitely looking forward to He's got some big plans ah happening for this year. but Not here to talk about that. Jamie, let's so let's talk about here you here for a little bit. let's ah Let's just kind of talk about your playing background here for a little bit. How'd you get into hockey? How'd you get into goaltending?
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And what was what was your playing career like? Well,
Journey Through Junior Hockey and Transition to Coaching
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I started hockey like every good Canadian boy on the pond. As soon as I could walk, my parents put me on skates. I was a player for first, I know, probably 11 years in in my small town at Caldonia, Ontario.
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Pretty good. Like, ah you know, good for a small town. And one of the things when you were good, my dad not being a hockey dad or hockey guy kind of kind of got, I don't know, maybe it was stars in his eyes or whatever. And he pushed me, he pushed me too hard, got to actually the point where I stopped enjoying it. And so I basically gave him an ultimatum when I was around 11, 12-ish.
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I said, like, hey, either I become goalie or I don't. or I don't play hockey at all. And um to his credit, he realized that, you know, he did push me too hard. He caused me to burn out.
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So he said, you know what? Sure. Like, if you want to be a goalie, you know, we'll support you as long as you try your best. We'll continue to do whatever it takes. And I was fortunate enough where just outside, as I grew up just outside of Hamilton, Ontario. So and in that area of Hamilton and the GTA, there was basically a goalie coach on every street corner.
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And I just happened to get hooked up at on a school tending, which is now owned by Derek Bougian, who you mentioned is my podcast co-host and We ended up working together and basically didn't stop working together from the day I put on gear until the day I retired. So i was fortunate in that sense.
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Started out late, was able to, thanks to some good training, a lot of good effort, a lot of hard work, excuse me, some good parenting, some parental support and and just basically sheer will.
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um was able
Developing a Coaching Philosophy
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to work my way up into the junior ranks was drafted the o never played the major junior but um was able to work my way into junior a got a scholarship uh was drafted to the nhl played four years at division one at michigan tech signed out of college played four years of pro bouncing around the minors between the american league east coast a little bit in europe and then ah basically kind of got burnt out at the end and we can get into that later but kind of got burnt out at the end and then COVID happened and they it was time to to pack it in and and move on with my life and try to find my my calling or my life after life is kind of how I like to put it as I, during the moment you don't really
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think about your life after hockey and then all a sudden it's thrown right at your feet. So that is the, my, the quickest explanation I can give you in my career of 27 years of hockey summed up in three minutes.
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Yeah, um no, that's still that's that's awesome. Well, let's just briefly jumping from that over to your coaching now. I think you've done some stuff with Derek, um and as well as you also have a lead goalie method training, which we'll talk about in a minute here. But what was your reasoning from transferring from playing and getting into coaching, specifically goalies, and what along the way helped shape your coaching philosophies?
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Um, so
Choosing Physical Therapy Over Medicine
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I started coaching goalies probably was about 14 and 15, uh, under Bouges, like just doing be camps as like the junior instructors kind of thing, just to make a little bit of money to pay for summer training.
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You know, you work so many hours, you get a lesson free kind of thing. Um, and so that's what I learned how to start to coach. And basically when at that time is I just mimicked Derek and whatever he did and,
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I also then I really found that coaching younger goalies helped me understand the positions, especially when i was still playing. You know, when you're looking at the flaws of others, you're able to identify these things and you're able to kind self coach yourself.
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um And then actually, so I didn't really have any intention of coaching hockey, actually. I was so burnt out and frustrated at the game. um My last, well, yeah, my last two years of pro that I just didn't want anything to do with it. I was trying to find a career that I was going to be able to basically dissociate from hockey um as much as I could. Originally when I was going to school, was to study medicine, to be a physician.
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um And then as I was playing, I realized, okay, I don't really want to spend 12 years of post or I guess getting after my bachelor's degree. And I said, I decided, oh, like being a physio is definitely going to be easier. It wasn't.
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It's hindsight being what is it is.
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But i knew that I knew that hockey was still a tool and a resource I could use. So
Integrating Coaching and Physical Therapy Skills
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I reached out to the head coach at Michigan Tech, I'm my old alumni, and the head coach was my goalie coach there at the time.
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And i had asked, I said, hey, like I'm planning on retiring at the end of the season. If I'm able to come back and get my masters because in the States to be a physio or here it's called a physical therapist.
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um It's a doctorate level degree and a lot of my credits had expired since I've been, you know, classes I took freshman and sophomore year were seven or eight years behind. And so I said, like, hey, I need to take some classes in order to to be able to apply to PT school.
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if I come in as a goalie coach, can I get this? Can you pay for it? And they said, yeah, like we need a goalie coach. At the time there was no paid coaches in the NCAA, but you could allow for basically your tuition is covered and they made it work. And so as soon as that was a done deal, I knew that, and I think it happened kind of when I was still playing in Cincinnati. So probably around,
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January-ish of 2020, I knew that it was done dealing. i was like, all right, we're playing with house money now. you know, the the end is coming up. We might as well go out on a bang and enjoy it. um And then getting into coaching, when I got there, it it's was surprisingly fast how much I realized like I enjoyed it.
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um The biggest thing was like coming into it, even though my mental...
Creation and Goals of Elite Goalie Method
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kind of the my mental health and I guess my relationship with the game wasn't very good but I didn't want to do a disservice to the goalies I had because you know they're hungry they're pushing so was like you know what look let's just go and get these kids as good as you can be and within the first like two weeks that all of a sudden it was like the spark was back and I was like i love this and I realized ah that same passion that I had for playing for so many years that fizzled away, sparked back up into coaching and helping others.
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And I think, you know, that kind of, I usually describe it as like relentless obsession that I had with my own game. I was able to transfer into the knowledge of building goalies, um you know, doing the PT studying so that could be the best, you know, sports PT that I could be and all these things translated. And, you know,
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Thankfully, through that hard effort and getting some you know some good talent at Michigan Tech, we're able to produce a bunch of really good goalies, two that are currently playing pro, one that will probably go and play pro after his he's done school.
00:09:58
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And then that kind of helped build my reputation and my name as I realized, i was like, hey, there's a lot of value in this. Like, let's but start to make a little bit of content. I know I'm rambling, but at the time, social media goaltending was a little is still ah little bit in its infancy.
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And it was it wasn't like it is today. It was more of just like coaches had an Instagram and that was it. And so I was like, hey, like let's start making content because there's a lot of nonsense on the Internet right now.
00:10:27
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in terms of things on both training and like training on and off the ice. So i was like, hey, let's start let's start to talk about it. Let's start to talk about why the things that some people are doing might not necessarily be the most beneficial and start to provide information. And then it grew and kind of grew and grew.
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My platform grew. My base of goalies grew. and as the more goalies I got to coach from different levels and ages, the more that I was able to help them improve. And then it worked hand
Remote Coaching: Benefits and Challenges
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in hand, kind of building itself up to kind of where I am right now.
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A lot, a lot to unpack there might have to come back for a part two on that. And that's, and that's, and that's, and that's, and that's fine. I mean, they I'm very, like, i'm I'm very happy to, you know, to hear that, you know, like you were going to, you know, I've gone through that rough patch, you know, specifically with your relationship with the game. I think, you know, every athlete goes through that at some point or another.
00:11:24
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Right. You know, they, they, they go through that, you know, like I, not necessarily that they hate the sport, they hate the game or anything, but it's more so just like what, like the time that I'm putting in, like, am I getting that same reciprocal coming out and, you know, then ended up finding that transferring that passion from playing to coaching, which I think is the better deal of all things, um you know, and reigniting that spark again and being able to do what, what you're doing now, I think is a,
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It's that's that's excellent to hear. So I think takeaway for that, you know, for for goalies, you know, it's like, hey, if you are going through that, you know, things do get better on the other side and, um you know, and that just find different avenues in in the sport here.
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um
Importance of Athleticism for Goalies
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So talking about that then, so then you were talking about. um kind of life after hockey, you know, you said it came up on your pretty fast year and you were talking about, I think, what was it, you want to be a physician, right? You were saying and and ended up transferring over to um physical therapy afterwards.
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So what was the inspiration to pursue that act um yeah academic side of things, sorry, and and achieve your and achieve the doctorate in in physical therapy?
00:12:37
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ah I always knew I wanted to do something in medicine. And I always knew like if I played 10 years in the NHL and made millions of dollars, I still probably end up exactly where I am today.
00:12:48
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um my ah came from a very like highly educated, like both my parents are highly educated. My mom. is a physician as well. She actually used to be a dentist, went back, quit be dentistry, went to med school, became a dentist. My older brother's a physician.
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My dad is, you know, there was, he's retired now, but was a teacher. um so like education was pushed like ah hard and it was, that was the priority education first, athletic second.
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um so I always knew I wanted day to go back and something and like, and you know, in Canada, you know, teachers and physicians are government employees. It's a good, safe job. My parents were very, you know you know, they weren't entrepreneurial. They weren't showing anything crazy. They were just classic, really good parents, had a good, good, good government jobs, very smart people. And they knew like,
Specialized Training Programs for Athletes
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Hey, you're either going to be a doctor or a lawyer. Like those are the jobs you're getting. Those are the safe classic, classic ones. And so of it looking at it, looking at it, I also through my career and my exposure to some very, very good physios.
00:13:52
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When I was kind of like so thinking about what I wanted to do, it was like, do I want to go into like sports medicine where maybe become a surgeon where yeah yes, you, you might work with the top athletes, but you just see them on, you know, i get them the knife, you know, they're under anesthesia. You're you do consultations, do your surgery. They're done.
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I realized that I really liked the one-on-one interaction and the day-to-day because it was a lot of being like, just like, you're in a dressing room, you know, when you're working with, Even young athletes, the high level athletes, it's that is what I know. And that is what I know best. And that's what I enjoy the most.
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So being a, being a physio will allow me to do that. And then as coaching started to grow and all these things started to grow, I realized, Hey, like there's a very, very unique opportunity to blend these together and kind of be that goalie physio that doesn't really exist.
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Um, it doesn't exist because no one's kind of stepped up to that plate and then anyone who is is there's a lot of good physios out there too but very few have that pro experience that playing experience and i find that a lot of the athletes i get whether the goalies or players are able to relate to that because i've been through the w ringer of minor hockey into junior into college in a pro so like every step along the way i know exactly how it goes um And so that's how that's how i kind of chose the education path. And then when I was there, I was like, I kind of dialed it in real early once I had an exposure to like working in a hospital. And I was like, yeah, this is a hard pass for me. Like give me a bunch of athletes.
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Like, hey, and you know what? Like it's rewarding
Advice for Injured Athletes
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and stuff, but just standing up people and sitting them back down. You know, the people need that, but I'm not the one to provide that service because I'm not passionate about it.
00:15:42
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I realized really early, I was like, as soon as I'm done school, like, I'm just going to open it, hit the ground running and try to figure it out ah right from day one, because there's no point working a job that I don't enjoy.
00:15:55
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ah So, okay. So I have a three part question to this when it comes to this. So part, so, so the part, part one is that you have your, um, practice inside the rink that you guys play out, play a practice out of. That's right.
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That is correct. Okay. So,
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I'm going to gather them they that you do physical therapy for the team or for the program there at Fox Motorsports. um Are you focused specifically with goalies or you like do you do like like all facets, like TLA players, defensemen, forwards, etc.?
00:16:30
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but Yeah, my practice is primarily hockey players of all positions. I do have some non hockey players. I have some parents, I have some normal, normal, regular non athlete people.
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But I do like I specialize primarily in hockey players. That is my niche. That is what I advertise. um And that's what I know best. And that's what I can provide the best care. Like if a baseball player comes into me.
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And their shoulder hurts and there's something going on with their shoulder. Like I can fix them. I know I can. Am I the best person to fix them? No, I have a bunch of buddy PTs who are baseball guys. going to be like, look, if, if geographic or whatever it is, it makes more sense to come to me.
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I'll fix you. No problem. But if you're looking for a baseball guy
Motivation for Content Creation and Addressing Misinformation
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or a girl, like here's who you're going to go see. And it usually works in tandem where, you know, other physios would be like, look, I don't really get hockey. I don't get slamming your knees into the ice 500 times a day.
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Like go see Jamie. He's the goal. He's the hockey physio. Like he gets it. And that's how it works. It works a really good relationship like that. Gotcha. Okay. And then the last part to this is um because you have probably the knowledge that most other goalie coaches in our field don't specifically when it comes to knowing how the body works and and all the different muscles and kind of how everything works together.
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Does that knowledge help your approach into coaching goalies or do you kind of separate the two in a sense? There is a significant amount of overlap. Now, do you need to have a doctorate level education to be a good goalie coach? No, absolutely not.
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um i I know that's the the case. so Do I think it helps to understand the body? Yes. And really in the reasons is kind of, Imagine, I guess a good way to put it is like when you're trying to, but because all of coaching and all of PT and stuff is just problem solving.
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Like you're trying to figure out the root cause of why something's happening. You know why is this goalie getting beat so much up high? Like trying to break it down, distill it into different components. um Where I find that, you know, how I approach the game is,
00:18:41
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there's a lot of playing experience. And so like when you've just seen thousands of goalies, you kind of know, you kind of know what the trends are, but basically like when I think about something's really going on or like I approach a position
Advice for Aspiring Content Creators
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like an RVH or i get a goalie who's six foot six and I get a goalie who's five foot six, like i can kind of, don't know, it sounds, it sounds like kind of lame to say, but it's almost like a little x-ray vision where you can kind of see what is the anatomy doing under the gear and then like really understand, okay, this goalie can't play this way.
00:19:12
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so we're going to have to find a different way to adapt. It's like, you know, it's like that idea that every goalie needs to be ultra flexible. And if you can't do the splits, you're never going to make it or like you have to soft seal in the post. It's like,
00:19:23
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look, some people can do it. That's good. You can great. And some people can't. And I also don't care if you can't. So if you can, let's work around it. And if you can't, let's work around it.
00:19:34
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And so every like coaching, every goalie is very individual. And I think that's, I think that's changing too. And like more goalie coaches are kind of going down that route. But for a long time, when you and I were playing, like,
00:19:47
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There was like almost like one style and it was basically Carey Price. And, yeah you know, and then now and that was it. Like what is Carey Price doing? Do that as best as you can.
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And then I think now we've started to to kind of understand that while certain fundamentals don't change, like obviously skating, tracking, ability to read the play are the three most important things.
Comparing Goalie Development in Canada and the USA
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Within those three pillars, everything else is so gray. And like you look at, I had this conversation today with some of my goalies where you look at, you know, I always use Aiden Hill, for example, because Aiden Hill is a Stanley Cup champion and a very good goalie.
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But like, he's not a great NHL skater. However, he plays his game so well and like is so good positionally, and he reads the game, and tracks pucks so well that he's able to be an NHL starter.
00:20:39
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And then you take a Sergei Bobrovsky, who's basically got all the tools you need. They're still both Stanley Cup champions. They're still both in the NHL. So do you have to be Bobrovsky?
00:20:51
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No. Do you have to be Aiden Hill? No. Maybe you fall somewhere in between. you're something completely different, and that's okay. But my job isn't to... isn't to tell a goalie. It's like, well, you're tall. So i'm going to force you to play like all my tall goalies, like Aiton Hill under glove has to be here. Glove has to be there. It's like, no, I'm going to make sure that you're the best skater you can be and make sure that you're tracking is off the charts. And then make sure you understand the play and read the play because most that's where we're seeing most of the, that's where i see most of the deficits, especially when I'm recruiting for like Muskegon in the USHL.
00:21:21
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And like your AAA kids that want to come play is, is they just, they can't process the game. And so if you can do those things, then those three things, and you're just, you're going to automatically be a step above your competition, regardless of your physical attributes.
00:21:38
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Yeah. um
Final Advice for Aspiring Hockey Players
00:21:39
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No, that's no, that's great. And excellent to hear that. um Okay, so let's talk about Elite Goalie Method. That's the that's a company that you're running. um What was your reason for starting it? What's it all about? And what do you aim to accomplish with this program?
00:21:57
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oh That's pretty good question. um Reason for starting it. We aim for that around here sometimes. so Yeah. Reason for starting it was two things. Well, actually, it's three things.
00:22:08
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Demand. One, people just asked so much for private training. Two, um I needed a job while I was in school ah because, ah unfortunately, the United States education system is extremely expensive.
00:22:23
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So to get a physio degree in Canada is about 25 grand. Canadian to get doctorate physical therapy in the United States is about $150,000 American.
00:22:33
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So I needed to pay for that over the course of many years and and at least not go into significant debt. And then the third part was um I was leaving, I was leaving tech and I was like, okay, like i need, I want to keep coaching goalies and now I can do this in grand Rapids.
00:22:52
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I wasn't a fully a part of Fox. I kind of went there on like a little volunteer basis. And so it was coaching for goalies. But then also I realized that the remote coaching kind of way that COVID pushed everyone, I realized that there could be like a ton of benefits from that.
00:23:08
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And then through like a, like a select few goalies that I was just coaching online, just, just because started getting like really good. And I was like, Oh man, like you're telling me that if I can coach kids remotely and they can still get as good as the ones I coach in person, like why can't I do that too?
00:23:27
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And so that's how I started yeah the EGM program online. And then eventually it merged into the in-person training um that it is, but actually primarily it was online only. And I forgot what the third part of your question was. I was, um what what do you, what do you, what do you look to accomplish with that program? Kind of what's, I don't, I don't want to call it like what's, what's the end goal? Cause I think it's a, it's a constantly evolving thing, but just when you started it, just what was the, just what what were you hoping to accomplish with the program?
00:24:01
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ah ha Yeah. When I was starting it, it was just kind of those three things. Now it's more of like, I really want to help as many goalies as I can get better to some degree. And like, I know sometimes people will be like, oh, I want to help as many goalies as I can reach their highest potential or whatever.
00:24:23
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chat GPT avatar that they came up with. But like, you know, a lot of goalies will come to me and sometimes I'll get goalies that are really bad and and that's okay. Like it's okay that they're really bad.
00:24:34
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My job is to get them slightly better and then slightly better after that and then continually better. And I and like i know a lot of these kids aren't going to make the NHL, but maybe the kid I have their job, they just want to be a high school starting goalie.
00:24:48
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And that's okay. And so my job is to do what I can to get them there. And then that's where it is on the goalie side. And then now on the coaching side where I've had to like over the last few years, I've had a lot of people like really inquire about my coaching methodology and like the way that I coach and all those things.
00:25:06
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And so now with the EGM Labs app and all these different things, I found that I can basically help a lot of people through internet in different ways, both goalies and coaches, parents of the podcast, and basically just all of the thousands of hours of content that I create, continue to create in order just to help Just help hockey in general.
00:25:31
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Like, that's really it. Like, and the at the end of the day, you know, some of my goalies are going to go really high level. Some of them aren't. And that's okay. But if I can help the parents make better decisions, the goalies give themselves the best opportunity, if they really want to be hockey players and they want to push themselves and then other coaches to maybe...
00:25:49
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think something different or maybe they never thought about this a certain way then that's perfect because that's going to help another goalie down the future down the line that i'll never see but they work with goalie coach x and for some reason actually like the golden triangle the kind of that rule i came up with i i was scrolling through i was doom scrolling one night and i saw like a bunch of goalie coaches were calling it the golden triangle and i was like hey that's mine. Like, that's pretty cool that that is the name that it's now called. So good. And hopefully that means we're going to give up less RVH goals.
00:26:21
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And so that's where kind of, that's kind of the purpose now is just to kind of help grow the position to be as good as it can be for, i have for everybody. Sure. um We're finding that a lot more and more nowadays, I think with a little bit more remote coaching that we're speaking, especially when the, when the pandemic hit rampantly,
00:26:43
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And then even we're starting to see programs now, like Ingold Magazine, for example, had their, they they just posted out their, what is it, there like their goalie coach directory app or directory program or whatever it is that they that they have over there. and And another company out in Minot, North Dakota with goalie coaches and Wyatt Wozniak and the kind of program that they have out there as well. And then obviously the various Facebook groups and all the other apps like Stop at Goaltending You and and all and all those things. Do you think remote goalie do do you think remote goalie coaching is starting to take more of an effect, like especially for those smaller town places, both within the States and in Canada and abroad, really?
00:27:30
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Yeah, it's a good supplement. And so is it ever going replace in-person coaching? Probably not. No. Can you, can you, can it help your game? Yes.
00:27:41
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ah The biggest thing that I found, the the biggest downside to it is more of the accountability part. um because you do put a lot of trust into young athletes um with that but usually it's the ones that are most dedicated are the ones that do the work anyways like you know this is going to be a just shameless plug for the egm app but there's probably like 3 000 hours ish 2 000 3 000 hours worth of video content like i there You can't not get some degree better by going through all of it. And if you go through all of it would probably take several years to go through it all.
00:28:20
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um There's also like, you know, one of the questions I get is like, I just don't know what to do at practice. Well, there are hundreds of drills and every week I add drills and there's literally, I'm on this path. Like one of my goals is to get 365 skating patterns.
00:28:33
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I think when I added today's videos, it was like 274 skating drills. Like you're telling me that like you don't have this, you can't just do one of the drills.
00:28:45
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And so like that, that helps. And so it is for those those people that, you know, so a lot of my goalies will be like, Hey, like I could only go to stick and puck. And your at drills have helped me because i wrangle up a couple shooters and we do your drills.
00:29:00
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And I know what they're supposed to look like because you've explained what they're like. Or like I got junior A guys or college guys or high level AAA guys to to demo these drills. And so it's like, oh so now I know what I'm doing. Now i know what I'm looking for. And then when I watch it back, I have a little bit of...
00:29:17
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based knowledge so that I can kind of like self coach. So I guess really long, long story long they're basically giving kids tools to self coach themselves. And that's what every goalie, you know every goalie has to be able to self coach. So you can't rely on a goalie coach 100%. One, because you're the only one on the ice. Like you don't get immediate feedback like players get.
00:29:37
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Most teams just don't have goalie coaches. And even when you get to pro, like you don't always have a goalie coach there. Like in the East coast league, you don't have a goalie. Some teams now have goalie coaches.
00:29:50
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A goalie coach would come for like two days when I was playing in the Coast League. Right. You know, that's it. So you got to coach yourself and you got to figure out all these problems on your own. So like having these resources available and the more that there are, you know, it's it's usually going to come full circle where there's basically, there's going to be a bunch of them and then the top ones will kind of like work their way at the top of the WrestleFizzle out, but that will allow just for the best quality overall.
00:30:16
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And that's ultimately what matters is that the content is the highest quality possible. We'll jump a little bit more into just kind of goalie content in general, because you do have, you know, your podcast with goalie science and your YouTube channel and Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and, and all that fun stuff.
00:30:35
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um Just again, going back to elite goalie method here for a second, because again, you we talked a little bit earlier just with about, you know, a large, a large part of it being the off ice component to a goalies game.
00:30:46
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Is there one thing that you find in particular that goalies don't do enough of away from the rink that, know, hinders their success or is it kind of like yeah i suppose like a miss because connor got her answer right there yeah uh yeah it's goalies are afraid to get strong we we have this isn't a term that i coined there's a like a fitness guy that's big in weightlifting that i really like to follow or olympic weightlifting his name is zach tolander and he coined the term weaponized specificity
00:31:19
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And it's a really good term. And if you're a strength coach or anyone has a exercise science background, like you'll kind of understand what I mean when I explain this. And it's for a long time, you'll have, everyone wants to try to find the secret, like this, the shortcut, the hack, whatever it is. And so you take a position like goaltending and you're like, okay,
00:31:41
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We do butterflies. We do power pushes. Therefore, in the gym, you must recreate these positions and then load them. And basically goes against all sort of strength and conditioning principles where, yes, there's a time for like specific exercise and stuff.
00:31:58
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But basically, over the course of the last probably 15 years, we but we just create a lot of very weak, unathletic goalies who get injured too much. um So it's just...
00:32:11
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going through the basic principles of being a strength training and just being an athlete. Like that's kind of where a lot of goalie goalie specifically missed the mark is the, and I, and I, when I was younger, I said the same thing. Like I listened to some people and I shouldn't have listened to them. And it was, I was just afraid to get strong. was like, no, I can't work out my upper body because I'm a goalie only was my legs or like stupid things like that. When I was like 15, 16. And I look back and I was like, well, I didn't know what I didn't know, yeah,
00:32:40
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I'll see it a lot more when I get, I'll get athletes and they'll come to my treatment table and they're like, my hips are hurting, everything's hurting. And then I'll test them. And it's like, man, you are so just not strong.
00:32:53
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Like, it's actually crazy that, you know, you're able to move on the ice because you're not strong, but it's usually a recipe for disaster. And the the cool part about not only being like ah strength coach who works with a lot of high level athletes, but I also have the rehab background so I can bring it all together. And it's, it's essentially like,
00:33:11
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most of the injuries that goalies face are just overuse injuries or, and they're just not able to withstand the force, like just moving like skating and it's just so high force. And we're always putting our, our basically our hips, which are probably the most vulnerable joint we have for goalies in like a really unfavorable position. So like in our stance or whenever we butterfly, you know, it's our hips are internally rotated. ah There's hip flexion and they're just like basically slamming and slamming in, and which is textbook, like symptomatic f FAI.
00:33:41
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But, if we're a body isn't able to handle that force consistently over the course of a season, it's going to break down. So how can we handle, how can we train the body to to handle more force? Well, we have to load it. We have to load it safely.
00:33:55
Speaker
And if we're going to load it in the positions that are causing problems, we're just going to cause more problems. And like, remember a couple of years back, I had a discussion, probably turned into an argument, but in my brain, it was a discussion ah about, ah about like squatting for goalies.
00:34:08
Speaker
And they're like, you know, goalies don't need to squat 500 pounds and blah, blah, blah. And was like, yes, you are right. Like you don't need to squat 500 pounds to be a goalie. But you're telling me i have two athletes that are equal skilled and one squats 500 pounds and one can only squat 135.
00:34:23
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That one that can squat 500 pounds safely probably is going to be more resilient overall. And so the the message I would say to goalies is just just be an athlete. Like, be an athlete. Like, you don't actually have to do things different than players in the gym.
00:34:39
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Yeah, you probably got to more mobility. And I think that's only because players are also allergic to doing mobility for some reason. ah But it would be like... Yeah. great That's basically the opposite of the player. The players need to do more mobility stuff, but it's, it just be an athlete, get strong, like squat, like do single leg stuff, do split squats, like, you know, do all these things, like gain some muscle. Like it's okay. Like you're not going to become a bodybuilder. Like trust me, if it was easy, everyone would do it.
00:35:05
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yeah Just be an athlete. That's actually funny. Cause I, I, I call like my training programs basically like ah outside the beginner program, which is like for 12 to 14 year olds, which is kind of like learning how to move and like lift weight safely.
00:35:19
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i just call my programs actually an athlete, like actually an athlete one, actually an athlete two, actually an athlete three. And it's designed for hockey players to be athletes because the most specific training we're going to get, the most specific training anyone could ever do is your sport.
00:35:37
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So going to the gym and trying to be specific in that is doing a disservice. And I'm not even gonna talk about the science in terms of why it actually, like a lot of these things slow you down and cause more problems, but the gym should be for getting strong and fast and athletic and quick.
00:35:52
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you're creating attributes that carry over into your skill. And most of this still falls on deaf ears because I go on the internet and I will see dumb things and I will see the med balls and I'll see the nonsense. And it's like, and I, at at first when I was younger, i was like, that really bothered me.
00:36:10
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But now I'm just like, Look, you can't fix stupid. I'm just going to, the athletes I work with, I'm just going to get them as good as possible. And if people want to listen to me, sure. Otherwise I'm just going to be the old man yelling at clouds. But like said, so far all my athletes kind of have success um to some degree.
00:36:26
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And that in the end is the only thing I care about because it's the only ones that I can actually kind of control. Do you design workout, like workout specific programs that,
00:36:38
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for your athletes. And again, we're talking about goalies specifically, but you know, i like, it I guess, like, I guess what I'm asking is like, like, like, like fire like if I, like I'm 15 years old and I come to you and I say, Hey Jamie, like I want to get stronger, you know, to be more resilient in the net. And ah so what, what would, what would be your,
00:37:02
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advice or what would be your recommendation to me or do you have like is there like like what would be like your suggested workout um routines i'm going to call them that's not the word that i'm looking for but uh what would be your work yeah gary plan i get what you're saying yeah what what would be your workout plan for me to you know for 15 year old connor money to go to the gym Yeah, so it it gets it.
00:37:26
Speaker
The first answer I would say is, hey, is there any hockey training groups near you? And like, yeah, what I love for everyone to buy my programs and stuff and do them. Yeah, it'd be great. But if there's a hockey training group in your area,
00:37:39
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And the the strength coach there is is hopefully pretty good if they have a good collection of athletes. I would say like if it's in the budget, go there. um If it's either aid on the budget, you don't have access or you're just like, hey, I just really want to follow your own programs.
00:37:51
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I have I have a handful of programs that are based almost like templates where they are going to work for everyone, regardless of your strengths, your your weak disability, because they're just they're just general things.
00:38:03
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athletic programs meant for hockey players. Like there's a few different things that hockey players would do different than say like a football player or a soccer player. But and then of course for the baseline, it's, it's very similar.
00:38:15
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um And you can follow those. I'm actually in the process right now of re-updating all of them for the off season. I saw those probably dropped those in March, but I guess I'll do my shameless plug. If you just follow me on Instagram, I'll do an announcement. and They're going to be running through ghost rehab instead of EGM for now, just because that way i and can keep all my rehab stuff in the same line as my training.
00:38:35
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um And then by athletes that really, will really want nitty gritty things and want to do like a lot of testing and more specific stuff where they're like, hey, Jamie, I really want like a personalized program.
00:38:46
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We'll run through tests. So I'll send them like the training app that I use. I have created like a hockey specific area of tests that I want to see. And with that, we can be become more targeted.
00:39:00
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and then really what I do is I take those my usually my actually an athlete program, and then I'll modify them to fit that. athlete maybe that athlete is really weak with single leg balance okay so we're going hammer home like a lot more stability stuff but maybe it's or maybe not another athlete is really good balance wise really quick but they are just not strong so we're going to tweak it so that there's going to be a little bit more muscle building a little bit more strength focus uh in order to kind of find that weakness so that's really how it how it works but honestly like
00:39:32
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I think in the summer, I'll probably get around 50-ish plus goalies, players that will come and just do the programs. They're usually like 25 weeks. So like they're six months long. Six months? Five? Four? Yeah, like it's five or six months long.
00:39:47
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Like it's everything you need. And then I'll get text messages come August and be like, hey, I was just... the I had killed by fitness testing. was one of the best on the team. And I was like, that's what I love to hear because you did the work. Like I just created a program. You did the work.
00:40:02
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Perfect. Is there anything that you liked and didn't like? Sometimes it's like, Hey, i' like there to be more conditioning or I'd like there to be this, this, this. And then when I do actually an athlete three and actually an athlete four, i modify it based on the the feedback I had from previous athletes. So it's always like a work in progress.
00:40:19
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We'll link up, um, The EliteGoalieMethod.com and Elite Goalie Method Labs down in the show notes here. um Again, another another kind of multi-part question here. It's two parts this time, I promise.
00:40:32
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um First one is when when you're dealing with goalies specifically and you know a goalie gets injured, what would be your advice to help them to get back on the ice as quick as possible? And...
00:40:44
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um ah Where's my other question here? With your physical fit therapy background, what what would be some advice for goalies um or what they' what they would need to do in order to prevent injuries? so Yes.
00:40:57
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ah In order to get back as quickly as possible, the honest answer is if you can go see a physio and get have them get their hands on you and do go through a full eval, that's the best case because they are experts. And even if they're not pure hockey people, they're still experts in the body and they'll be able to tell you what's wrong and give you some guidance.
00:41:17
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um Easily, the best yeah, they'd easily be the best thing. Or if your team has an athletic trainer, like, get like i do I do do remote like rehab stuff. um it's just the odd It's significantly easier when the person is laying on my table and I can get my hands on them and do testing and like you know'll be able to stick do dry needling and stuff with them.
00:41:35
Speaker
um the In order to... there was The resiliency and prevent injuries... ah I mean, I'm going to try not to ramble because as you've you and the listeners have noticed, I do like to talk. um Basically, the best the elevator pitch that I would say it is be as strong as you can.
00:41:56
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through full ranges of motions as best as possible and be strong at your end ranges. Like that's really it. So being strong and being strong through full range of motion. So like if you're at the gym and you're doing a front squat, like I don't care as much like that you can put 275 on the bar and squat to 90 as much as I could care that maybe you go 185 and you can squat full like ATG all the way down, like, like butt to grass.
00:42:25
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and come up, like I would much rather that, and then we add, maintain that range of motion because that's what's gonna matter overall because when we get injured, it's because we we've put our body in position that it can't handle those forces or it's, we've we've gradually chipped away at whatever, musculoskeletal or nervous issues over the course of a season.
00:42:50
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And eventually it just comes to the point where we put that last chisel in, something breaks. So if we can train the body through as many like full ranges motions to be as strong as possible, um usually that also helps you become as flexible as possible.
00:43:04
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And that's going to help for per giving you the most likelihood to prevent an injury. So there you go, goalies. Get in the gym, you know, full range of motion. And, you know, for all the goalies that were giving me grief in dry land, don't have that opportunity anymore. um and moving Moving on here, ah yeah we talked a little bit about it earlier when it came to creating content on on the internet. And like you were saying, there's a lot of a lot of a lot of BS out there on the internet, both just
00:43:36
Speaker
in general life and and specifically when it came to hockey. So what led you specifically to start to creating content for goalies? um talk We could talk about your YouTube channel, your Instagram, um and as well as your podcast with Goalie Science with ah you and Derek Bujan.
00:43:56
Speaker
What led it? Yeah. Like I said, the start, it was just cause I just, there was a lot of nonsense. And I was like, all right, well, a lot of this is wrong. So I'm just going to talk about it.
00:44:06
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And people really liked it. And then I guess cause it was, maybe it was kind of as a fresher breath air. um it When I was doing it, I was like, this shouldn't be a fresher breath air, but I get it.
00:44:18
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And then that just kind of grew, like grew from there. And yeah, I do think the amount of nonsense has kind of slowed down a bit, which is, really which is good. It still exists, um but ah it exists in a different form where basically it exists now where we try to, we try to think we're smarter than we are, you know, like you'll do a drill where you're,
00:44:42
Speaker
I don't know, you're jumping over sticks and juggling a ball or something. And you'll say like, this is retraining this proprioceptive, kinematic, neuroplastic, blah, blah, blah, blah. Instead of saying like, this is just a fun drill to warm up.
00:44:56
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That's okay. Like everything doesn't have to be hyper specific. Like it's okay just to warm up and do do weird stuff because it's fun. But don't do weird stuff in the guise of somehow saying it's getting you better because it's not.
00:45:11
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And like if we're actually trying to get better, you're going to do game specific things. You're going to be doing three on twos, two on launch options, screens, traffic tips, battles. Like that's it. All the other stuff is just kind of fun and accessory. Like, and that's okay. Like, that's great. It's I want to, I play a game after every session that I have. Like I refuse, I don't end a session without a game because I want it to be fun. And then they can allow, they can also put everything that they do together.
00:45:35
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um And then just with the content, I just kind of, you know, just, just growing it and being able to help others. Um, put some of my thoughts down and kind of like how I see the game, how I read the game. Now it's like trickling in a little bit more that the rehab side of things, talking about recovery and training and just kind of overall encompassing the stuff, that stuff. And then the good part about the podcast is it started off with Dr. Ben Cernik and myself, and it was really science heavy. Ben, unfortunately had to leave because he just,
00:46:03
Speaker
he's finishing his PhD. He's getting a lot of looks from NHL teams on the stats side. He does research heavy. So he had to leave. He just didn't have the time for it. And now with Bouj, the pod is a little less sciencey, but it's more of like the science of coaching rather than some of the nitty gritty science. And it's really resonates a lot with parents who are kind of like,
00:46:27
Speaker
trying to figure out how to navigate through the hockey process and then like help. And then with, with like goalies too, is like understand it. The episode that releases tomorrow morning really how to talk to coaches and like, what, like, what, are like, not even like what do coaches want to say, but like when you're, when a team calls you whether they're interested,
00:46:48
Speaker
you know, instead of saying like whatever kids say, like skibbity riz or, or, or dumb stuff, like, yeah and you, it's funny, but kids say dumb stuff when I talk to them. yeah yeah But like, but like, how, how do you present yourself in a good professional way that is going to give you the best opportunity to, to grow yourself and and grow your, your, your,
00:47:10
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your career. And so that's the the beauty ah of goalie science where it allows for that platform. And so that the YouTube channel, again, is just another, it's accessory arm of the social, the Instagram where i can just make longer form content.
00:47:25
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And then I actually have a pretty good newsletter. um That's, I changed the name. It was EGM weekly and now it's, Phillips performance playbook just because there's a lot of physio stuff in there too.
00:47:37
Speaker
But like a lot of people sign up and and I look at like the clicks and opens and it does pretty well. And so every week um ah I'll type out or I'll record like a video talking of some sort of concept. And sometimes it's goalie specific. Sometimes it's athlete specific. Sometimes it's just general stuff.
00:47:55
Speaker
And then ah i just use the text, the captions of it to distill it into like a newsletter format. So they get both the video if people don't want to read or if people don't want to listen to me talk, they can read the the kind of the TLDR of it.
00:48:10
Speaker
And get that gets sent out every week. So there's basically I'm trying to be everywhere as best as I can be as a one man band. I try to be everywhere as I can just to provide as much possible value to the athletes and their families as possible.
00:48:26
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That's one of the great things about social media and the same breath is just being able to utilize different platforms in order to bring you back to whatever your main platform is. Let's say it's the podcast with goalie science, right? You know, it Derek has his own thing on, on, on Instagram. You have your own thing on Instagram plus tech talk and you know, all the, all the social media channels that kids have and, and,
00:48:52
Speaker
Being able to relay that and bringing that back to the main platform, which let's say, for example, is the the YouTube channel with the podcast, or even just the podcast platform in general, it...
00:49:06
Speaker
It does it does a lot of wonders, and it's very for for me, that's that's the cool stuff to see, kind of just where all the traffic all the traffic comes from there. So what would be, and I don't want to hesitate to ask this question, but I feel like I should.
00:49:24
Speaker
What would be your advice for goalies who may want to get into um starting goalie content?
00:49:33
Speaker
Oh, this is a good question. I don't think anyone's ever asked that to me before. What would be my advice to someone? Oh, man. So you got to give me more specifics. Are talking they want get into goalie coaches or like currently playing goalies?
00:49:49
Speaker
Well, let's like for it. Okay. So like TikTok obviously being probably the number one platform in the world right now until Donald Trump gets his grubby little hands on it and shuts it off. In 10 days. Yeah. Yeah. um So let's say, cause like there is, you know, like you got guys like Nick the goalie and then, you know, you got all these other goalie content creators out there. And, and so for, you know, back when, you know, you and I were younger, you know, YouTube was, know,
00:50:19
Speaker
probably the biggest thing at the time where, you know, people were able to express themselves and post videos of whatever it is that they wanted to post videos of until people actually turned it into some kind of medium.
00:50:31
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ah So I guess just like, like, Hey, like I'm, I'm 15 year old Connor Monday. I want to get into starting to creating goalie content with, what what would be your advice for me for doing that? You know, should I, you know, should I focus on, you know, like a specific niche, you know, like for you, you know, you got, you got, you know, the physiotherapy aspect of our, for us over at True North Goaltending and then we're able to dive into more of the,
00:50:57
Speaker
I don't want to say technical aspects because Nathan and I go off the rails with that sometimes, but you know, the, the more technical aspects with things and um you know, kind of what for us as coaches look for amongst other things in goal magazine has what in goal magazine has. Right. So I guess that's in a nutshell, kind of what I'm asking.
00:51:19
Speaker
Oh, that's a tough question. um So 15 year old Connor,
00:51:26
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The advice I would give to 15 year Connor would be different than the advice to 22 year old Connor who just aged out of playing junior and and wants to become a goalie coach. Sure. 15 year old Connor, I would say if you will really want to push for the hockey career, make content, but be aware it's going to put you, you one, it's going to put you on a slightly different microscope than competition and make sure and make sure that someone is there to check up, to make sure that your content isn't hurting your career.
00:52:05
Speaker
And I say that has a different way because I see a lot of these like parent run goalie accounts and it's not that it's bad, but it's just like, it's just these crazy highlight reels and all these different things. and and And maybe I'm just the old, maybe I'm just getting old and it's just kind of like,
00:52:24
Speaker
yeah but remember like the people in charge of making a lot of decisions are older than I am and they don't get it so I would just say be be cautious ah but this is where the that that's where the advice would be different for for the older goal or for Connor is about to go be the goalie coach where the advice would be similar I would say first of all is be yourself you had mentioned like Nick the goalie like I I've never met Nick the goalie, but he's just kind of himself.
00:52:51
Speaker
Like Trav4, we're buddies. He didn't love him or hate him. He's just kind of himself. um You know, mountain high goaltending, like Zabs, is himself. Like he just makes his content, him trying out weird gear using blue skates and talking about toe ties, and people love it. um Increased performance. Like he's kind of the – You know, that the, the class, the thickest Canadian accent, classic chirping, the kids working with a lot of young kids, making sure they laugh, smile, having a good time. Like that's his content. That's his niche. It seems like, it seems like the kind of guy he is yeah and he's not trying to be different.
00:53:29
Speaker
I am like the science nerd guy. Like that's okay. Like I don't try to, I don't like, I don't make skits. Like people have said like, Hey, why don't you make some skits? Like I don't really make skits just because it's not, it's just not Yeah.
00:53:43
Speaker
Like I don't have any desire to do it and I don't think I'd be funny to do it. I'd rather talk about science stuff or like make more serious content. um and And so I think that that's kind of thing. And so like, just kind of like be yourself and just, if you're a goalie coach, just, just,
00:54:00
Speaker
post your coaching like post the way you coach like now i've got to a point where like i've been able to either a allocate a bit of my my budget to having um someone come out occasionally to film content or as i have i'm fortunate enough that i have a couple of goalies whose parents do media things and so you know we're able to trade lessons for content and so they'll come out and like i posted a video on monday that's just a clip of me teaching kids and so It's great because I can just show the way that I teach and maybe one, it's going to help some people too. It's also might maybe someone's watching and be like, bang, I really like the way that you articulate that and can communicate that. Like I want to come skate with you and that's perfect.
00:54:43
Speaker
And you know, if my, kind of if my thing was, Hey, I just, I like to chirp kids because skating with me is more of a fun experience. like then lay into that, like Nick, the goalie, I don't really watch his content, but the ones I have, it's, you know, it's a GoPro behind the net and it's just him enjoying being a goalie.
00:55:00
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Yeah. And that's why people love it. And so don't, you just be yourself and don't, don't over think it too, too much. I think I would, I would agree with you on, on the, on the niche part specifically for,
00:55:17
Speaker
the older goalies. And again, we, we see like the, like the parent run accounts like, like that, that you were talking about. and I don't think it's, I don't personally think it's necessarily a bad thing. I think it's a cautionary thing. Cause you know, you got some parents that are, don't want to say helicopter parents, but you know, those are the ones that, you know think that their kids going pro or whatever. Right. So they're basically using Instagram or Tik TOK or whatever as a profile for,
00:55:45
Speaker
non-existent scouts at that point in time. um But, you know, I just, I... i think where hockey and again we can talk and talk about the nhl in general where there's not a lot of personality and also you know you get you know like the old the original you know hockey youtubers like nasher being one and trav four um as well as again nick the goalie so you start to see a little more personality coming with it as well and again the
00:56:16
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idea of sharing ideas such as what you post and all the other goalie company um content creators and accounts that are out there and you know sharing what what they have and um again what we do at the DIY goalie and on top of InGoal Magazine. So I would i would say it is like what would be something that you know like watch you know your favorite content creators whether it's Jamie Phillips or Nick the goalie or Daniel Waple with with increased performance. And I'm not saying necessarily to emulate what they're doing and kind of, I would say do what they're doing, but, you know, obviously put your own spin on it. And just what are what are you, what were what are you doing to help contribute to the goalie community as a whole?
00:57:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. That's a good way to put it is you kind of basically the we're all going to have the same niche exact goalies where there's going to little bit of different things in the way we approach it. But yeah, like especially in the coaching side, be yourself. If you're a player side,
00:57:19
Speaker
I would say also be yourself. the the The goalie, the ah current, so I could say they the current minor hockey player accounts that I see that I look at and I go, okay, like this is kind of the like a decent way to structure are the ones that are just kind of like, they just kind of like make goalie memes and it's just more about enjoying being a goalie.
00:57:41
Speaker
It's not so serious. They're not kind of using it as like a resume builder. but To be honest, like you're not, having ah having like ah a resume or like a showcased social media account almost definitely isn't going to help you. It's probably only going to hurt you in the sense that like, say you post something kind of dumb and someone sees it and it goes against you.
00:58:10
Speaker
Like no one's really going to post yeah you to post a sick glove save. And I've never once saw a sick glove save. Like, yeah, got sign this kid right now. Like this is not how recruiting works. Like there's so many channels and avenues and how we do things that like,
00:58:24
Speaker
doesn't like things but if i'm interested in a kid i will go through their social media and i will see are they posting dumb things right and kind of tells me oh no this person this player might have like might be a issue off the ice or he might have to their focus maybe isn't there and all these kind of things and so yeah that's that's where my hesitation would be for players like um just post it, like, enjoy it. Like, you know, you put your gear on, you're in the the living room and you make a funny meme.
00:58:55
Speaker
Or, you you know, you get some new sticks and you're like, hey, it's my so new Bauer hyperlay. Like, this is really cool. This is why i like it and but blah, blah, blah. And that's the kind of content that I think is good for for active players.
00:59:08
Speaker
Social media is a beautiful thing sometimes. Yeah, I was going to say, you can even look at, like, someone who has done a good job is like, is Katsuzou. Obviously, he's almost become more of a social media person than he has a goalie.
00:59:22
Speaker
However, it puts him under a significant microscope to teams. And, you know, like right now, I know he's playing in that new East Coast team there. and bison Oh, yeah. i know which one I know exactly which one you're talking about. I can't think of it. Yeah. And so he he's found a home, which is good.
00:59:41
Speaker
um But again, like... he he definitely knows it and it's no surprise, but for people listening that might not know is there will be internal conversations with organizations saying like, Hey, if we sign this player, like this is opening ourselves up and we don't want there to be bad publicity by accident. Like just literally just by accident.
01:00:02
Speaker
yeah Like it's not like he's going to come in guns a blazing. And if he gets caught or traded, say something bad, yeah, If he unintentionally posts something and it gets could like portrayed as as bad, then it it only hurts.
01:00:16
Speaker
And so that's kind of like, that's where things can suck quite a bit too. When you're still an active player is you're under a bit more of a microscope.
01:00:28
Speaker
Don't do anything stupid on the internet, people. I guess that's true. That is true because it lives there forever. Yeah, exactly. um Okay, so transitioning out of social media now, going back into um specifically goalie coaching here for a second.
01:00:43
Speaker
um What changed in your approach from being a goalie coach for the program with Michigan Tech to being the goalie director for Fox Motors Minor Hockey.
01:00:59
Speaker
That's a mouthful. Yeah, I went from not dealing with parents to dealing with parents, and not in a bad way. Like, well, sometimes you get crazy hockey parents. Fortunately, there's only two sets of parents on a team, and there isn't 20, like the head coaches have to deal with.
01:01:14
Speaker
ah So it's it's a lot of, yeah, it's a lot of managing, like, player a parents. And it's more... career advice navigation um on that side of it. And then and more than the coaching side, it's, you just, it's a lot more fundamentals.
01:01:30
Speaker
um And it's okay. Like when you coach at higher levels, you you have already good goalies. And I think that's actually that this is like, and you, you know, it's like this, but for people that haven't played at a high level or haven't coached with others at a high level, like coaching at the NHL is probably the easiest job of all time.
01:01:49
Speaker
you just have the best goalies in the world. so you're not really coaching. You're more of just... managing them and you're you're just making sure that they feel good and they feel confident they're all on the same page um you know like even and even if you're the job gets harder if you're the development coach because you're gonna have younger athletes but you're still you're still getting like the next best group of goalies when you're working with kids you're gonna have good goalies you have bad guys you have all these goalies and that is where the most amount of work is But that's also where I find the most amount of effort.
01:02:23
Speaker
Would it be cool if I won the Stanley Cup as the goalie coach for the Florida Panthers? Yeah, that would be pretty darn cool. Am I going to tell Sergei Bobrovsky what to do?
01:02:33
Speaker
Almost definitely not. You know, if there's anything, if he's going change his game, it's almost, ah he's probably going to be like, hey, what do you think of this kind of thing? Whereas I'll get a younger goalie who's going to be like, hey, I'm going to play like Bobrovsky.
01:02:45
Speaker
It's going to be like, all right, well, here's what we wish. we Here's why I'd like you to do this like Wabrowski. And here's, you know, what you shouldn't do like Wabrowski kind of thing. It's like you are the stiffest person on the planet.
01:02:58
Speaker
Like your stance isn't going to be wide because you can't move. So we're going to narrow you up. And so that's where um the major differences are with, you know, higher level goalies and then mixed with and then moving into, excuse me, with younger goalies.
01:03:14
Speaker
That's the biggest thing that I found as well, coaching from, you know, smaller, you know, younger kids to coaching in juniors where that was the biggest hard. That was probably the hardest transition for me was that you're not necessarily teaching.
01:03:30
Speaker
these older kids, anything new, because they already have the basic foundations for, for their game. And it's more like you said, I just kind of managing and just kind of building on the fundamentals that they have, maybe tweaking one or two things here or there, but you're not, you're not, you're not reinventing the wheel with them in that aspect.
01:03:50
Speaker
Yeah. Like if someone came and watched... Well, I was in Muskegon today. Someone watched any of my junior race skates. I don't say a whole lot because I don't need to.
01:04:02
Speaker
It's just hyper visual... Like being so hyper visual and everything is i need to find like the smallest little detail because they've already checked all the other boxes. And it it just becomes a more collaborative, like collaborative experience where they'll be like... They'll come in be like, i was...
01:04:20
Speaker
Yeah, I turned my shoulder there. I'm like, you actually didn't, but let's watch it back. Let's see what you did. Or be like I'll be like, what do you think on this situation? How would you play it? Okay, I would play it like this.
01:04:32
Speaker
What do you think? Like, yeah, that's not really in my game. All right, all right, let's play it your way. Let's try it again. Where it's kids, you're like, yeah you can kind of tell you got, yeah you got, you got to, I usually try not to tell goalies what to do. I want them to kind of like, I try to like inception into their minds where you use like motivational interviewing where they have to come up with the answer themselves.
01:04:52
Speaker
ah That's the best way for them to learn, but it's more of your, you are teaching people. constantly until they get to that point where they no longer need that, that constant feedback.
01:05:06
Speaker
And then it just becomes, yeah, like, like a junior a session. It's just, I stand there and I go, good. A couple reminders. Good. We talk about a little bit that yeah where when I, with kids it's nonstop, nonstop, nonstop.
01:05:19
Speaker
Less is more basically being the thing there. All right, couple more here to wrap you up. I think we're probably taking a little bit longer of your time, more than we need to. Call it the Kevin Woodley special at this point.
01:05:31
Speaker
um So being a Canadian board and goaltender who is now involved mostly with the U.S. hockey and living in the States, are there any differences or similarities when it comes to goalie development?
01:05:48
Speaker
um I was never highly involved in hockey Canada in the development side or as a player. um So I can't speak to what hockey Canada is doing in general. the the The base structure of development, like, cause I have a lot of colleagues in European countries. I went to Finland to coach.
01:06:09
Speaker
um I like to study those systems. they Canada and USA are pretty much the same in terms of you have, it relies almost 100% on private goalie coaching, whether that's going to your private goalie coach or an organization hiring a goalie coach, there's very little collaborative effort. Now, USA hockey does do a lot of like, they district camps, all these different evaluation things.
01:06:39
Speaker
It doesn't just start at like use sixteen where I know it did in in Ontario, at least when I was younger. um And so USA hockey is trying to do these things.
01:06:49
Speaker
um They don't do like a lot of hard and fast mandates. Like they don't say like, Hey, all USA hockey goalie coaches have to coach like this, have to coach like that, um which is different than like Sweden and Finland. They don't really say you have to coach, but they all get together and they kind of come up with a collective idea of this is, these are the best guidelines to coach our our goalies.
01:07:10
Speaker
um So that's where they're, they're very similar in that sense. um Yeah, and then actually now, it's the lines are gonna get even more blurred with the new like major junior being allowed to play college hockey route.
01:07:24
Speaker
um Now it's just, which I think is was really good, but now you're just going to have more players, more goalies playing major junior that just go to college.
01:07:35
Speaker
And so we're just going to get extra years of development. So I think in about 10 years, we're going to have a lot of really good goalies because of that. But the foundational structure itself is is it's exactly the same.
01:07:46
Speaker
So then let me let me ask it this way then. So with Derek Boudin being based out of Ontario, if I understand that correctly, um I suppose, and like do you guys compare notes when it comes to kind of development in terms of what he's doing in Canada?
01:08:05
Speaker
And I'm not saying like following like whatever Hockey Canada's regulations are, because I i know that sometimes we don't out here. um But like... I guess like is a development plan, and like like if Derek Bougian was to be given development plan from hockey Canada, when it comes to goaltending, you were given the development plan for, for USA goalies. Would there, do you think there would be any differences or mostly similarities?
01:08:30
Speaker
I feel like it's the latter, but I just curious. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be mostly similarities for a couple of reasons. One, the development plan, there's like, I've seen both Hockey Canada and USA Hockey is like long-term development models and how they want to plan them.
01:08:47
Speaker
And then I have my own development model that I use in this organization. And then I also have one that's for goalies that are outside the organization that could still help. And they're very similar with just a few subtle nuances.
01:08:59
Speaker
um Same with Derek, like same with Derek, we're going to vary a little bit. um But for the most part, like him and I are basically on the same wavelength for everything. Like I owe all my money.
01:09:11
Speaker
goalie coaching knowledge to him. And then I've just built upon everything he's taught me and then he's continued to grow. So they're going to be very similar. Yeah. yeah And like, I'll just give you the, play the plate, the playbook is,
01:09:24
Speaker
you know, be around as many smart coaches as you can be as consistently as possible and put in as much work as you can, ah safely as you can under expert guys, and under expert supervision, like meaning when I say expert supervision, like good goalie coaching, good training. So you're not overdoing it. Cause usually when say put in hard work, kids overdo it.
01:09:46
Speaker
um And then have good genetics and get lucky. it's really it. Like it's, you know, like they're, that's really, I wish like I, and then when I say the good genetic parts, like some people get discouraged because they're, they're small and I get it. Like it's, it's, it sucks. I'm not small. I'm six foot four. I mean, I had a good genetics.
01:10:08
Speaker
Um, but it doesn't mean that you can't still play a super high level hockey. You still play college hockey. You can still play minor pro is the NHL probably out of reach unless you are Dustin Wolf or UC Saros level.
01:10:23
Speaker
Yeah, it is like straight up. Like I'll just say it it is. And like, I talk with NHL people all the time. It is like, it really is unless you're the best of the best. And like you have just tore it up, but the NHL, like,
01:10:36
Speaker
we don't always have to have the NHL as the goal, right? Like the goal should be is play hockey as long as you can, as as much fun as you can. But I think a good goal, like I think, I think a good goal, a real realistic goal now is play high level college hockey because there are a lot of small goalies in college hockey that are doing really well.
01:10:54
Speaker
So kind of that's, that's where I'd put it. So yeah, just really those things, just have good people, work hard, um enjoy it, get lucky, have some good genetics.
01:11:06
Speaker
And that's, that's the playbook. And if you repeat that over thousands of thousands of goalies, some of them are going be successful. And it's really, it's really, it there's no like secret sauce to it at all.
01:11:20
Speaker
I mean, some places might have better quality goalie coaches than others. Some are going to have more numbers than others in terms of number of goalies. And the more, number number the larger number of goalies, the more,
01:11:31
Speaker
the higher the odds are you're going to have more home runs. And so it's kind of it's kind of where it is. And that's why we see – it's one of the reasons why we see a lot of the European countries are are catching up or have exceeded USA and and Canada is just because – one of the reasons is just because more kids are playing hockey there.
01:11:51
Speaker
They're just getting more numbers. Like, yeah, like Finland's a small country. But if they're, they were always producing goalies and if there are more kids enrolled, they're still going to produce goalies. Yeah. um And so that's kind of where that's the the secret sauce that it is for everyone.
01:12:08
Speaker
seems to be a general consensus everywhere. um Yeah. Well, Jamie, this has been a blast. ah We are very, very thankful to, to have you out here today. Just one more thing to wrap it up here.
01:12:22
Speaker
ah ah suppose in one word, maybe one word, maybe two, maybe two, you maybe two words. i'm not good at not. You can tell after this, I did 80% of the talk. I'm not good at one words.
01:12:35
Speaker
Well, let's give it a shot here. In one word. I'll try it. What would be... um i will okay well, maybe maybe maybe I shouldn't handicap you like this. i guess i so I suppose instead, what would be your one piece of advice?
01:12:50
Speaker
What would be the number one thing that Jamie Phillips would um give to all the goalies in North America or across the world?
01:13:03
Speaker
course I can't give it to anyone answer. So i I'm going to steer clear of the cliche, the, the true cliche of make sure you enjoy every, like enjoy every day.
01:13:15
Speaker
Cause it is true. Like you should enjoy it. And that's a good piece of advice. That's what everyone's going to say. so I'm going to go something different and say, if it is truly, if hockey is truly what you want, don't be afraid to go all in with it because you're you're going to learn something and you're going to have some of the best experiences of your life. So just go all in. If you truly want to be a hockey player, I should have said three words, go all in. That's the one. That's the, uh, Hey, you know what? Three go all in is a pretty, that's pretty good. There you go. You're welcome.
01:13:51
Speaker
Jamie, where can people find you on, uh, on, on the great internet? ah There's a lot of different places, live a lot of different things. Honestly, the easiest would be to follow me on Instagram. It's at Jamie Phillips 30.
01:14:05
Speaker
If you just Google Jamie Phillips goalie ah coach, you'll find a ton of stuff. You'll find everything. And then if you're someone looking for training or rehab, it's ghost rehab.com is the website. and You can find all my stuff there.
01:14:18
Speaker
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01:15:15
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