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Mastering Carved Pottery with Molly Walter
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In this episode of Shaping Pottery, Nic interviews Molly Walter, a passionate potter and artist who transitioned from various art forms like painting, drawing, and sculpture into the world of ceramics. Molly shares her philosophy on abandoning the 'one right way' of pottery, encouraging experimentation and personal growth. She discusses her journey to becoming a full-time potter, the challenges and joys of carving pottery, and the importance of hands-on repetition. Molly emphasizes the significance of trusting oneself, embracing failure, and finding inspiration from the unexpected. Through her colorful and carved pottery, she discovers new artistic expressions. Molly also touches on her experiences studying abroad in Denmark, being part of art communities, and offering practical advice on how to develop one's unique artistic voice. You can learn more about Molly by checking out her instagram https://www.instagram.com/mogrizzles/
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00:00 Introduction and Pottery Philosophy
01:01 Journey into Pottery
02:04 Artistic Influences and Techniques
04:44 Studying Abroad and Personal Growth
06:18 Carved Pottery: Origins and Techniques
16:01 Business Side of Pottery
22:43 Discovering Your Unique Voice
29:52 Final Thoughts and Advice
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Transcript
Exploring Pottery Possibilities
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Maybe the pot will be really boring. Maybe I'll hate the carving I did on it. But there's always the other possibility that it's going to be like lovely and I'm going to discover something new. Welcome, Shappy Pottery. And share with me what is something you believe every potter in the pottery world should stop doing? Oh boy, that is a big question to start off with. And thanks for having me, Nick. I'm really glad to be here with you. I think From teaching experience, I've noticed that a lot of people come away from classes sometimes thinking there's just one way to do something and that that's the right way and that's the only way.
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And I think maybe teaching the more open approach would be a great thing for potters to do. So stop teaching people that there's just one way to do everything. There's a lot of experimentation room in the pottery world. Absolutely, great. Shaping Nation. There's never one right way to do things. Find what works for you. Do that.
Discovering Passion Through Education
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And if you need to make adjustments, continue to make adjustments. There's no one right way. Figure out what works for you. I love that. So tell me the story how you got started making pottery. I never really got to get my hands in clay until I was in community college up in Illinois. So I'm from central Illinois from a really small town. And when I started community college, I found out they had a pottery studio and there was just something about it that was so compelling to me. And I don't, I don't know why or what it was. I just knew I had to try it. I saw it. I knew I had to try it. Got to take the class. And then I found recently,
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interview because I used to do a lot of different types of art like painting and drawing and sculpture things outside of ceramics and I found an interview with someone from that community college of me and at the end of the interview written out is like where can you find her and I was like in the pottery studio trying to master the wheel and this is before I ever knew like from there I went on to do an anthropology major in college like I had no idea I was going to be a potter but even from that very first class I was like this is I'm passionate about this. So you mentioned that you, outside of pottery, before you were doing pottery, you did a lot of art stuff like painting, sculpture. How did that
Enhancing Pottery with Diverse Skills
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experience help you with your own pottery?
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I think I just was very sure that I was a maker and I experienced a lot of like failure and a lot of success in the art realm, like just personal failure and success, like seeing what I could do, what I couldn't do, building on my skills and getting a lot of input from those different mediums with color, with line, with just hand skills in general, like building my hand skills. And I i just think anything you can do to build up your hand skills. will help you in ceramics. like It does not have to be clay all day. like any Any art you can practice outside of that is going to be helpful too. And after that community college experience, I went on to a university and studied anthropology, and every class I could take electively, I would try to get into the ceramics.
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And then after that, I went on to the Heywood Community College down here. I found out when I moved to North Carolina that there was a huge ceramics community and found Heywood Community College. They have a two-year professional craft program where you can study either woodworking, fiber art, metalsmithing, or ceramics. And so I was lucky to get into that. And that's where I learned the most about ceramics. So you mentioned training your hands. How can somebody train their hands to for anything? That's a great question. I mean, of course, repetition is important. And I think if anyone ever asked me like what I love the most about myself, it would be my hands because they just do so much. And it's really important to like work on connecting your hands to your brain. And I would just repeat things, just try things. just
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Like with pottery, you know it takes a certain amount of time to get comfortable throwing, to get comfortable trimming. like Every part of the process is an important skill to learn. I don't know. I just have used my hands my whole life. like They are the thing that makes me like love life because I can create so many beautiful things with them and it's just so fun. like I don't know what I would do. i'm like Sometimes I'm like, can I ensure these things? like What am I going to do if something happens? Knock
Cultural Influences on Pottery
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on wood.
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We love that shaping nation. One of the easiest ways to train your hands is to simply do repetition. The more repetitions you do, the easier it is to train your hands to connect with your brain to make what you actually want to make. I absolutely love that. So you contribute growth as an artist to studying abroad. Can you tell me about your time studying abroad? Sure. I've been really fortunate to get a lot of experience traveling outside of my community. I grew up in a really small town, 500 people in the middle of some cornfields up in Illinois and central Illinois. And I was really lucky that my parents had done some traveling before they raised our family. And so they were encouraging all of us to have two older sisters and they encouraged all of us to look out and go see what the world was like outside of our little place.
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And so I got the opportunity to go be an exchange student in Denmark when I was 18. So I stayed there for a year and got to do some traveling in Europe during that time. And I think
Developing a Unique Pottery Style
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what contributed to my growth there was mainly just personal growth of seeing how big the world really is and all the diversity and all the ways of being in the world. And i just it just really opened my eyes to, that's why I got interested in anthropology. Cause I was like, oh, like, What I grew up with is just the tiniest little microcosm of culture. Like it's so small. And there's just endless things to be interested in and to see in the art, especially just what humans create through time is totally incredible. And like you can't not be inspired seeing what like the history of human art. It's so beautiful. I absolutely love that. So let's talk about your pottery. Can you tell me the story how you started making the carved pottery that you make today?
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Sure. Well, when I started throwing, before you know what a good pot is, you're just making pots and it's great. And every moment is awesome. And you're like, oh, I got an inch higher this time or a little bit thinner that time. But even so, even when I got ah to Haywood and was like throwing every single day, I was still making this God awful, like heavy pottery. And I had this one little Dolan carving tool and I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna get this weight out of here somehow. And I just started like carving out the weight and like something started to happen where I could see how you could make some patterns with that while removing weight. So really it just started off with me being terrible at throwing pottery and like making the heaviest most horrible pottery and like
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feeling like I was at a stopping point with my skills of learning to throw. So I needed to take a break from like forcing myself to do that. And so finding another way to make the pot more. comfortable to use so I'm kind of afraid like that I've never gotten much better at throwing thin pots like I feel like I can control it but like even when I try to throw a really nice thin piece of pottery like inevitably it's still heavy on the bottom so I'm still working on it I have to trim so much away if I but I also can't stop myself from carving so I feel you on that I I could never throw a thin pot like for the life yeah
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But it's ended up like, I always say this to people when they're like, oh gosh, I just can't figure out this one thing about my work. And I'm like, well, you're treating it like it's a flaw, but maybe there's a way you can shift it into being a feature of your work. So
Creative Techniques in Pottery
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like try to change your perspective on it. And if that one thing is just bothering you, you just can't get over it, just like let it go for a minute and see if you can learn to appreciate it somehow. So and then throwing thick, I need to to do what I do. So it's great. I love that advice shaping nation just because there's a flaw in your work doesn't mean it can't be turned into something amazing. I absolutely love that. Now, why do you like making the carve pots still?
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Well, the carving part is really my favorite part of the process. So I've been asked or people have said like, oh, it's slip cast, right? Like you carved one and then slip cast it. And that's fine. That would be fine. But the part I enjoy the most is the carving. That's my place where I go into that flow state where I kind of forget what's going on around me. And I just get caught up in having this conversation with the pot and like, who are you going to be? And what is the what pattern is going to come out of it because I don't plan any of my patterns. I just get my tools, I get my pot and then I go ahead and just get started. And so it's so meditative for me and I really enjoy doing it. So that's why I'm still making carved pots. I literally cannot stop. Like I will try to make a simple pot with one little carved spot and I just can't do it. I absolutely love that. So you are inspired by change in the unexpected. Can you tell me more about this?
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I feel like throughout my life I've just kept trying to keep my eyes really open to what's going on around me so that like I can see when an opportunity arises or like try to notice things in the world around me and really pay attention and and when stuff happens that's hard or like big changes happen like try to relax into it a little bit and I think that that translates into my work for me because Like I said, I don't like to plan. like A really important part of the carving process for me is the discovery of like what is going to happen. ah Because I don't know what if there's a name for it or a label for it, but I get bored really quickly with like doing the same thing over and over and over design-wise.
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And it's just that little moment of like revelation or maybe I'll carve something a new way and I'll see a shadow I've never seen before or a way that these two marks will interact that I've never seen before. And that is like the moment of delight, you know, where you're like, you snap into like this whole thing and you just see it differently or I don't know, I just like discovering something new every time. And if I don't plan. and I don't know what's gonna happen, then that is always a possibility for me. like i always There's always a possibility. Maybe the pot will be really boring. Maybe I'll hate the carving I did on it, but there's always the other possibility that it's gonna be like lovely and I'm gonna discover something new. Absolutely love that. Shaping Nation, you don't always have to plan out what you're gonna make. Let the unexpected come to you so that the unexpected happens to your pot. I absolutely love that.
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So something I love about your pottery is the way you use colors and how they blend together. Can you tell me how you get that effect? So right now what I'm doing, I'm using an airbrush to airbrush underglaze onto the pieces. So I'll put it on a banding wheel and I'll hit it with the airbrush one color, one direction while the banding wheel is spinning. And then I'll switch my color and hit it while the wheel is spinning the other way. hit it with a new color the other way so that it catches like different colors catch different facets pottery. And the way I came to like start wanting to play with the airbrush.
00:11:53
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is when I first got into ceramics at Heywood Community College, we did a lot of soda firing and wood firing and gas firing. So it was a lot of atmospheric environments where really interesting, unexpected things could happen. Again, we don't know exactly like what's going to happen. And I miss that moving into a different studio environment with electric kilns and maybe just like having more control over my process. I wanted to play with how can I get an atmospheric feeling with pottery without having to go through the wood firing, which I love wood firing, but it's not always available to everyone to do. And so I started off really, really simply with just like one color and kind of hitting it from one way. And then I was like, oh, bam, like it really lights up the pieces when you
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bring those bright colors in. And so it just shifted from that love of atmospheric wiring into the colorful, playful, I just want to have fun with color and like make people smile. And how did you figure out by after spinning it one way to spin it the other way to get it a different effect? I'm sure there's like some like some toy or something that like we had growing up or Just something like that color shifting thing, like not lenticular, but you know, there's like those old ads where you would have one image on one side and one on the other. And as you drive past it, the advert hasn't changes or something. I think I just was like, oh, I'm going to try this or I just thought it would be fun to try.
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and it worked out and it was cool. Absolutely love that. Love how the action is. Actually, like from wood firing, you get that effect sometimes. If it's in the just the right spot in the kiln and just the right flame path, you'll see that. like It catches one side of the fast and the other side is like white or gray or something. so I probably actually came from that. Absolutely love that. Now, what are the three common mistakes someone might make when trying to add carvings to their own pottery? Okay, this is a good one because I've had the opportunity this year to try to like teach a few workshop and like demo things. And I think people are way too timid. like I'll be gouged in, just go through the pot, don't be afraid,
Transitioning to a Pottery Career
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don't be precious, like just make it a sacrificial mug. like
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Or, you know, choose something less like when you're a beginning potter, giving up a mug because you made a mistake and like carved through it is so painful because it's the handle is the whole thing and like getting a tall piece. So make yourself a slab and just go to town like where it's less precious and it's easier to get. So that's one thing is like, don't be bold, go for it, carve deep, see what it's going to do. I think another thing, uh, I have a ton of carving tools, but it's almost too much. Like you can do a lot with the few tools you have. You just have to spend time with them and like try out different marks and see like really what kind of marks can I make? Like, can I make 10 different marks with this one tool and then give yourself that challenge and try it.
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because sometimes we see a tool and we're like, this tool is for this. And then we just like, that's all we'll try with it. So I use every loop tool I have to make carving marks. And sometimes I'll use the wooden tool to press things into shape. And sometimes I'll use my knife to cut apart. like So just don't limit yourself because you have like two tools. You can do a lot with that. And sometimes it's better. Sometimes I think for creativity purposes, It almost helps to limit yourself because you're forced to think outside of the box. Absolutely agree. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. I think that's enough. I don't know. Shaping nation. I absolutely love that. Shaping nation. If you are looking to start carving with your pottery, be bold. And du and just because you only have a few tools, think out start thinking outside the box and how you can use those tools the right way. I absolutely love that.
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So let's talk about the business side of pottery. Can you tell me about the moment when you decided to become a full-time potter? Yeah, so this is really interesting. i And I think a lot of people resonate with this. I've almost always had another job on this side. And it hasn't been until the last two or three years where I really felt like I could. But I'm i'm like a I don't know. Once I got into a really nice gallery in Asheville with some really wonderful artists and that gallery space is great. And I think it gave me a lot of confidence that I could do it full time because Asheville is ah a lot of people come here to purchase art and just enjoy the city. So it is pretty viable as a career here in this area, but there's always been something else. Like, so this year,
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It's still pottery related. like So I've taught ceramics as like a side job to being a potter, but still clay related so it feels good. But I've also done zipline guiding and escape room hosting and prosthetics fabrication, like all kinds of stuff to try to make it work on the side. And this year I was really fortunate to get an artist residency about 10 miles from my home. so That helps a lot with a bit of a stipend and a studio space and access to equipment because I still don't have a home studio that's outfitted. like I still don't have a kiln in my house or anything. so it's really like It feels like year by year I have to shift into whatever the new situation is and that can be stressful.
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but you know you get it keep looking out into your community and making connections. And, you know, like I said, I like the unexpected and change. So here we go. That's life. Absolutely love it. What would you say has been your biggest obstacle when it came to being a full-time potter? Just trusting that I can do it, trusting myself that I can work hard enough and be involved in enough things to really be able to cover everything I need to cover financially. Yeah, that's just the thing. You have to trust that people are gonna wanna buy pottery, that people are gonna be interested in your process. You have to trust that people are gonna wanna continue to learn it. You have to trust yourself and your skills, and that can be really hard. Yeah, and there's just so much to learn. There's always something else to learn about running your own business. And this year is my year where I've really delved deep into taxes.
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Like I kind of have understood it, but like this year I feel like I'm really getting the grasp of how to do that to make it work for my business instead of just being like a burden kind of thing. So you mentioned, sorry, I blanked on that follow-up question. Oh yeah, you're good. So what is something you wish you knew before becoming a full-time potter? Well, you don't think about how heavy it is. when you're like, I'm going to go to craft fairs. I'm going to do craft fair every weekend in the summer. It's going to be lovely and fun. And you don't think about like the just how much work that really is. But I wish I would have just started earlier. I wish I would have just known and trusted myself that I can do it and that my skills like, like it was wonderful to have a lot of different job experiences throughout my life. But part of me is like,
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Even though that shaped me, of course, and like informs my work and informs my life and has built up my community. Like part of me is like, hi, I wish that I could tell my younger self to just trust herself that she can make a career in artwork. That's not like something a lot of people did where I'm from. And even though my family was very encouraging, it's still like you have that voice that tells you that that's not really a career choice. I think I would have just, I didn't know. that Asheville exists. I didn't know that these communities exist that really helped the arts thrive this way. Cause that's just not where I grew up. Absolutely loved that. What advice would
Effective Pottery Selling Strategies
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you give to someone to help them build build trust in their own work? Well, I think you should use your own work because that's the most objective way to understand if you're making good work. I think like, well, I don't know. It's hard. You can, you can invite others to use your work, like your friends.
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I think you should invite critique and if people, you know, hopefully they can spin it in a positive way, but if someone has some serious things to say to you about your work, like just try to keep the ego out of it and just really listen and see, like see what from that you can choose to help you. And then of course, sometimes some of that stuff doesn't matter at all and you can let it go. like You should make more blue pots. No, like that's not important to me. So, you know, but your handles are really uncomfortable and you might think about like what is gonna ah build that skill or your attachments are ugly. Like they you don't make good attachments and you need to focus on that skill for a minute or something like that. Just where cleaning up or how to consider every detail of your work. And I'm still working on all that stuff. You know, it's, it's a never-ending thing, which I think is what I like about ceramics.
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It's like a never ending learning process. so I love the advice. Some excellent advice right there. Now, what would you say works well for you to be able to sell your own pottery? I've enjoyed, I have a um i'm a member of a really nice co-op gallery in Asheville. That's like my work is surrounded by other really incredible work. And like the group of people who are part of that are wonderful and really hardworking and like tied into the community and so I'm really lucky to be in there. i'm I'm more and more grateful for that all the time and it's in a great spot. So I think finding a situation like that where you feel very comfortable and where you feel like your work is valued and
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um able to make sales so that's nice and then of course the internet is great these days for selling work it's really fun so I get to connect with people from all over the country in the world even if I don't ship internationally very often like just connecting with them and they might like share your work with someone else. I think the, it's hard. Self-promotion is really hard and it's not the most fun for everybody. Like I really don't enjoy trying to promote myself. I just like to keep a diary of kind of what I'm making and just like share things I'm excited about. But yeah, the internet's pretty incredible place to sell.
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absolutely love it. So
Balancing Creativity and Seriousness
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let's talk about discovering your voice. Can you tell me about the moment when you knew you were heading in the right direction with your pottery? Yeah, gosh, you know, learning a craft, it's like a series of these like little milestones where you make your first sale, right? And you're like, Oh, yeah, I can do it. I'm amazing. I made a sale. And then you like judge yourself and you compare yourself with others and you like push back against yourself and like, I'm not good enough. And then you have like a breakthrough. Like we would, we built a studio with some friends about 10 years ago and that was a really special, wonderful experience. And we were doing that.
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Um, and it was beautiful and it felt like we were doing local shows and we were really making it and like being part of this thing. And then the pandemic hit and everyone's like, Oh God, I gotta to like re-think my entire life. Um, and that's fine. And it's it's all like change again is okay. And and then this year I just like have this thought about this colorful, like I've been trying to be so serious about like. my work and it's been kind of, it's calm. I love wood-fired pots. Actually my favorite pots are wood-fired pots without any carving or any embellishment at all, just like the wood, like ash. And this year I was just like, I'm just gonna let it rip and have fun and start with these colors and the airbrushing and just like play and have a great time and see because I trust myself that I can make something work. And then like all of these amazing opportunities started to come up this year after I like hit this color
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thing. And I think that's when I was like, okay, if I enjoy this, and I can keep doing it, then this is going to be the thing that like proves like shows me that I really trust myself to keep making that was a very long answer. You are welcome to cut that thing down. So you mentioned that you were trying to be serious about your work. Why are you trying to be so serious about your work? I think I was feeling the pressure from like the pots i've been I look at out in the world, that there's some hierarchy. like If I go fun and colorful, then I'm not going to be taken seriously. But that's just because I wasn't looking at enough work and like talking to enough people. i was just I guess maybe some of my early mentors, it was like,
00:25:09
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were gonna wood fire and we're gonna soda fire and all that is so beautiful and like those are some of the most beautiful pots i think but like i wasn't having fun and i didn't feel like i could express this like exuberance that way like i love color and i love to play with it and i just the process is so important to me and all the processes around making colorful carp pots i just enjoy them so much and so then i would just consume other people's wood fired pots you know like I can enjoy that that aesthetic and then my work I can make it and like express this piece of me and then other people can enjoy that if that's their thing and I think I just I don't know I just want to open myself up to play more and experiment more and again like
00:25:54
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After, during the pandemic, like the Wood Fire Studio that I had built with some friends, we just weren't there together anymore because so many life things happened during those few years that it just wasn't as viable to be wood firing all the time. And yeah, I'm just talking a lot. I guess that's what an
Finding Your Unique Pottery Voice
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interview is all about. So you mentioned that you you weren't talking to enough people and that's why you were taking work, trying to take trying and be more serious about your work. Tell me more about that. I think I just had this idea, like from my limited exposure, that there was like one, like it's what I was talking about earlier, there's like one right way to make good pottery. And that, and like, that was just, it was seriously just limited exposure to ideas and ah just being like caught in my little, whatever, whatever seed got in my head and started to grow about.
00:26:52
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this realm of ceramics. I don't know. Yeah, I just, I just thought those were like the pots that people would take seriously. And I, I felt like I wanted my art to be taken seriously and that to be to play, like, I don't feel this way anymore. I feel great, like about the work. And I just think in any field you hit these plateaus of like, where you kind of, you kind of think, you know, a lot about it. And then something happens to like break that open and be like, no, you don't know anything about it. And let's just, let's just have a look around and see what else there is to know. And then like, yeah, I try not to let myself hit that anymore. I try to be like, if I start to feel like, Oh yeah, I got this figured out, I'd be like, open it up because you do not have it figured out. There's a lot more to figure out. Absolutely agree. Before I started this podcast, I actually had a very narrow view about pottery, but once I started interviewing more people and talking more about pottery,
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my world completely opened up and like new ideas started to come in my head. I definitely agree with that 100%. That's awesome. Cool. That's really cool to hear. So now what advice would you give to someone looking to discover their own unique voice with their pottery? I think look around at the world and see what grabs your attention. like What do you pay attention to? Because what are those things about like where you're from or the people you love or like what makes you light up? like I was talking to my friend yesterday about my dog when we were cooking on the grill. She's like, yes, it's time. like We are getting something from this grill that is happening. And like that feeling of just like,
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Yes, like the world is mine today. Like when you notice yourself feeling those things out in the world, like what is it that creates that feeling for you? And how can that be translated into a texture or a color or a shape? Like maybe ah green silos are like, you know, evocative of home or maybe like for me it's the rolling, not even rolling the super flat fields of Illinois like planted in their rows. And it's like the colors of the sky like the huge sky just like thunderstorms rolling in and like sunsets and all of that and the rain and the smells of that place and then nature and the beautiful like imperfect patterns of flowers and all of that like
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Those things make me genuinely happy and like bugs, insects, and it's just like pretty magical out there if you can let yourself see it. So I think just, just pay attention to what you pay attention to is like the best advice. Absolutely love that advice. Some excellent advice about their shaping nation. Pay attention to what interests you. Maybe it's nerdy things or maybe it's bugs, maybe it's colors, or maybe it's the way a car turns a certain way, whatever it is, pay attention to those things that interest you and try to apply them to your pottery. I absolutely
Embracing Failure and Discovery
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love that. Molly, it's been great challenge today. And as we're coming to a close here, where what is one thing you want to hammer home with my listeners today? Fail as much as possible. Give yourself the room to fail, and then you'll find some really cool things for sure. Absolutely great.
Learning More About Molly's Work
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Molly, it's been great challenge today. Where can my listeners go and learn more about you?
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you If you're in an Asheville area, you can go to Clay Space Co-op in the River Arts District. You can go online on my website, Molly Walter Pottery, or you can follow me on Instagram at Mo Grizzles, which is named after my cat, Mr. Grizzle Bear. It's M-O-G-R-I-Z-Z-L-E-S. Thanks for listening to this episode of Shaping Your Pottery. If you are struggling with finding your own theme for your pottery so that, you know, you are known for something I put together 53 themes that you can use and you can take. All you have to do is go to shapingyourpottery.com forward slash 53 themes. That's five, three themes to get these 53 themes. It's really important for you to find a theme for your pottery so that you're not going to get burnt out. you You can have multiple styles with your pottery and you can be known for something. So again, go to shapingyourpottery.com forward slash
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53 themes, that's five, three themes to get these 53 themes. Thanks guys, I'll see you guys next time.