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S3 E1: Toss a coin to your Witcher
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We ended season 2 with a live recording, so what better to hit 2020 by opening with one too! Live from one of our favourite haunts, Uncle Hops in Newtown, Ben, Tom, Dan and Pete cover Star Wars Ep9, the Witcher series on Netflix, and a range of other random stuff while imbibing copious amounts of alcohol.
Oh, and if you want to watch the stupidity instead of just listen to it, search for the new Pixels & Pints channel on YouTube, where you'll find a full video recording of the episode!
Beers reviewed this episode:
1) Nomad Brewing Co - Rosie's Raspberry Sour - Sour Ale - 3.8% 2) Beerfarm - Western Cider - Cider - 4.8% 3) Ballistic Beer - Hawaiian Haze DDH - Pale Ale - 4.6% 4) Hop Nation Brewing Co - Bearded Seal - NEIPA - 8%
Thanks as always to Justin Gonzales for the amazing metal intro-outro. And of course our fans, we love you guys!
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Transcript
Podcast Returns: Gabs Hottest 100 Discussion
00:00:17
Speaker
Pixels and Pints. Welcome back to Pixels and Pints podcast. We've had a bit of a break over the Christmas period. I'm joined today by Dan, who I've just caught sipping beer. Hi. Ben. Hello. Tomo. Hello. And I'm Pete.
00:00:35
Speaker
And we hit the ill-informed idiots plus Ben Talk about all your favorite pop culture and craft beer So we're um, sorry then I was just gonna say that it's gabs hottest 100 day because it's Australia Day weekend It is so I'll be regularly flicking through we're up to 30 at a moment. So we've got 30 to go So we'll see what's in the top 30. Nothing in nothing in the 70 previously has been surprising. It's all
00:01:03
Speaker
Feral, Young Henry's... Cooper's... There's notice... Actually, there's no... Yeah, Feral, uh... Boulter, Capital, Little Creatures, Young Henry's, Bentspoke, Modus, Akasha, Big Shed... Yeah... Karumbin Valley got their Gabs beer from last year at number 66, the Grapefruit Bubblegum Sour. Which one was 69 though, Dan? That's what I really wanted to know. That's what I really wanted to know. Stone and Wood, uh... The Gathera, yeah. Yeah, cool.
00:01:30
Speaker
Yeah, Fixation, so the other branch of Stone and Wood. Thirsty Crow, Bridge Road, so yeah, nothing surprising yet, and I don't think the top 30 will be surprising either. But we'll see.
Live Recording Challenges at Uncle Hopps
00:01:41
Speaker
You're going to have to excuse the background noise for this episode. We're actually recording live from Uncle Hopps in the Bank Hotel, Newtown. That's us. So yeah, I'm not sure how this is going to come out, to be honest, and I guess we'll find out later. And it makes the beers much more accessible. Yes.
00:01:55
Speaker
Do you want to kick us off down with what we're drinking and then we'll start a
Tasting and Critiquing Nomad Rosie's Raspberry Sour Ale
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topic? Yeah, so we've got Nomad from over in Brookvale here in Sydney. The Nomad Rosie's raspberry sour ale. So it's a Blinnivise 3.8%. Yeah.
00:02:10
Speaker
Yeah, we've already had a warm up pint. It is. I think it needs to be more sour, more raspberry, more carbonated. Yeah, it's very under-carbed. It's got the base flavours there, but it just needs that.
00:02:27
Speaker
It doesn't have a kick you in the nut sack kind of mouth puckering sour that I guess I want out of a raspberry sour these days. Yeah, did you get to try Tom the Yule's Peach and Raspberry sour that they released only a couple of weeks ago or a month ago or so? Yes, we helped them brew it. Oh, did you? Yeah. So he's probably tried it. So then you fucking go. Yeah.
00:02:48
Speaker
Throw that little one in there. Yeah, we did a little... I didn't know that was a collab. Yeah, that was one of the ones we helped... We did the contest run and then that was the one they chose to redo again because it went so well. Oh, that's right because you had the night here we had all of their showers on there and then that's what came out of that night, was it? That was the one that was the winner by far.
00:03:09
Speaker
Well, there you go. That was an appropriate question to the right person. Completely and totally ass-flooped that one. Serendipitous. OK, cool. I just thought you would have been more likely to have tried it, having been out here, because I haven't seen it at Quaker's Cellars or anything like that. I've still got two tins in that fridge. I drank all mine. Sorry, Pete. It's OK. Tom's still got two tins in the fridge. They sent me a case over, and I drank it also. I'll just hassle your OCD barmaid and get those cracked open later.
00:03:39
Speaker
I'll just grab them. She's got very little nice neat handwriting. Yeah, I was giving a shit about it earlier. She's fucking OCD with it. Okay, she's rubbing them out and putting them back up and if they're not straight. Yeah. Yeah. And they are nice straight lines Tom from 4 o'clock in the morning. She's definitely never going to be a doctor that girl. No, you can read everything. Yeah.
00:03:59
Speaker
All right, let's kick off with a topic. Now, Chris is currently working today because he doesn't understand how to read WhatsApp chat and didn't realize we're doing a recording today, even though we've been talking about it for months. And he asked us specifically not to talk about Star Wars Episode 9, so I thought we'd start by talking about Star Wars Episode 9.
00:04:16
Speaker
Yeah, although I think it's going to be a pretty heavy Star Wars session. Yeah. I feel like kind of the teacher at the front of the class here, too, because all three of you are in one corner and I'm on the one long side of the table on my own. We're also filming this episode, so it may or may not end up on YouTube or RedTube or somewhere. I'm not really sure. It depends on how the night ends. Cross cut it with some donkey porn. Coming to you live from Tijuana, Mexico.
Star Wars Episode 9: Critiques and Debates
00:04:44
Speaker
Okay, yep, episode nine. We've briefly chatted about this in the chat, but we've kind of all gone, you two have been and Tom have gone, yep, I'm ready after a third watch of it to talk about it. Yeah. Well, I went to try and watch it again the other day, but it's not on it. Gold class at Rouse Hill anymore, so I don't sit with the plebs anymore.
00:05:04
Speaker
Kind of got into that age now. Fuck that. Too many dickhead 20 year olds on their fucking phones. I'm here to watch a movie. Get off your goddamn fucking phone. That was us 30 years ago throwing Maltesers at each other, but then we grew up. It's worse when you see a Pixar movie or something at the theaters.
00:05:20
Speaker
Oh no, fuck no, I've never done that before. Magistrate said I'm not allowed to watch Pixar movies in public cinemas anymore. Nah, the worst one I did was the Dragon Ball Z live-action film opening night at George Street Cinemas. That was hell. Midnight showing? Yeah, it was one of the worst experiences I've ever had. You know that everyone's running back outside quickly, not to have a cigarette like most people after a three-hour movie, but so they can get back on Pokémon Go on their phone.
00:05:47
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. It wouldn't have been the same year, surely. That was pretty good. That was years ago. Yeah, that was like 2006, 2007. I don't really track live action Dragon Ball Z movies. It was a long time ago. Are you going to play Dragon Ball Kagura? No, I was trying to get into Dragon Ball Z at the time, and then I watched that, and I was like, nah, I'm out. Oh, OK. Anyway, I love how we're totally off topic when we haven't even been on topic yet. This is the podcast. Chris could get lucky we might actually not talk about it.
00:06:15
Speaker
But not via intent. I fucking hated the movie, I'm just gonna put that out there. I...
00:06:22
Speaker
Look, discuss. It's a bold statement. You should turn to the camera while you're pulling that disgusted face. I'm not disgusted. I certainly will admit that the film has its flaws. Look, it was better than anything with Jar Jar Binks in it. Right, so to be clear... I will dispute that because... You prefer Jar Jar Binks? No, no, no. At least one, two and three had
00:06:47
Speaker
continuity yes this film seemed like he spent half of the movie undoing the shit from the last movie so is that his fault or is that Johnson's fault I think that's the big thing that came out for me like all the fans fault yeah I feel like there was just no well there might have been a story at some stage where they wanted to go with the three movies but I
00:07:13
Speaker
either Ryan Johnson or JJ Abrams. You're gonna have to talk right into the mic, mate. Either Ryan Johnson or JJ Abrams and my monies on Johnson just went in a completely different direction than what they had intended. Yeah. And then when JJ Abrams came back for episode nine, he was like,
00:07:32
Speaker
I'm going to go and do what I was already always planning to do and tell this story that and try and incorporate what happened in episode eight and ignore a lot of it. Yeah. And that's the impression that I got. And there's there was too much. There was too much in that movie. I thought there was too much retconning. It should have been two movies for me.
00:07:53
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Yeah, they did. They sort of glanced over some areas too quick. Well, they should have had Abrams do eight. I agree. And then nine. I agree. And potentially seven. Or at least have him write it. I know he was a producer, but he wasn't really. It probably just meant you got some money at the back end.
00:08:11
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at least have him be involved in some way. You can say, or whatever you want about the prequels, at least they had that one guy overseeing everything. And it was Lucas, you might not have liked what he did, but there was at least that one story. And I didn't get that from this trilogy. I loved Force Awakens, I loved the things it set up. Episode eight kind of shat on all of that. And then episode nine. The way I watched it was almost like,
00:08:40
Speaker
When Lucasfilm first saw Episode 8, they were like, eh, we kind of like it. We're going to see how this goes. We like the direction that he went in. And then when the fans just freaked out about it.
00:08:54
Speaker
They bought back JJ Abrams and then he decided to tell the story that he always wanted to tell. But what was the fucking story? That she was Palpatine. It was one big fetch quest is what the story was. Look, I've got no problem with the MacGuffin story. The original trilogy is not the first, nor will it be the last typical coming of age hero story.
00:09:15
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Yeah, but the first trilogy wasn't a three movie fetch quest. No, no, no. What I'm saying is the original three movies told a very typical story of the hero coming of age. Yeah, but they were war movies. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where was there? They weren't searching for anything.
Star Wars Tropes and Force Powers Discussion
00:09:37
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They weren't trying to get a fucking dagger that lined up stupidly to something that if you weren't looking at it from the right angle, wouldn't have lined up at all.
00:09:45
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I will also say that at the time when the original films came out, it wasn't a trope. Bullshit. No, that's my point. It absolutely fucking was a trope. In cinema it wasn't. The hero's journey was a trope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You look at a Kubrick movie, half of those were those types of movies. You look at fucking movies all the way back to the
00:10:07
Speaker
like when they started making movies. Yeah, but that's also the hero's journey is a very common trophy storyline as is chasing the MacGuffin for three movies. At least it wasn't as long as fucking Lord of the Rings where they're walking for three movies and then he throws the ring in the fucking mountain in the in the volcano. But none of that's my problem.
00:10:25
Speaker
I hated the movie because they retconned core elements of the rest of the Star Wars universe. But that's also what Disney's been trying to do for the last couple of years is, and then they're slowly adding those things back in. But don't fuck up my shit! Give me examples. Yeah, I'll give you examples.
00:10:42
Speaker
Like the blue glowys can suddenly catch lightsabers? I'm sorry, but we've had three... Force ghosts. The force ghosts are now corporeal enough to catch fucking physical objects. Which is the joke I made on chat the other day. We could do a Route 66 fucking Harley Davidson speeder bike fucking movie with just the force ghosts.
00:11:07
Speaker
I will say this. Just because they never didn't catch a lightsaber before doesn't mean they couldn't ever. Oh fuck off. Fuck off. Obi-Wan Kenobi sits on a log. What's the difference? Yoda calls down Lightning in the real world to burn the tree in Episode 8. I just... Yeah, but there's a big fucking difference between... Why? It's just concentration of the Force, if that's what they are. I just think it was a very convenient change to the fucking backstory. I actually don't even remember that section that you're talking about.
00:11:33
Speaker
It was a moment. It even had a beat. Maybe when she threw it, it bounced off the burning TIE fighter and then she saw it coming back and Force stopped it. It just happened to be where Luke's Force Ghost hand was. Do you have any other examples? Yeah, sure. I've got lots of examples.
00:11:48
Speaker
I don't remember that scene. I was the one that fell asleep eight times during the movie. She goes back to the planet that Luke died on. Octo, with the little puffins. Yeah, yeah. And the TIE fighter's on fire. She steals Ben's TIE fighter. And then she's throwing things out, and she picks up the lightsaber and goes to throw it. And then he walks out of the burning TIE fighter and catches it and does his thing. It was just so very, very convenient. I do not remember that at all.
00:12:16
Speaker
I have to admit I was slipping in and out of consciousness the first time I saw that movie for the midnight screening. That was a bad idea to go and have some warm-up beers. I have no memory of that scene. All right, Gandalf. I wish I'd blocked it out, too. I didn't like the Emperor Palpatine has been preparing a whole new empire with even better star destroyers just in case the other empire that he was secretly running failed. Oh, that's kind of like the old Harry the Empire.
00:12:48
Speaker
Why would your backup plan be more powerful and more numerous in ships than your primary plan?
00:12:57
Speaker
But it wasn't hindsight. It was foresight. He had to build more Star Destroyers before the fucking other Empire was even destroyed. But he didn't build another Death Star that time. No, no. Multiple little Death Star Star Destroyers. Yeah, that was fucking stupid.
00:13:12
Speaker
I had a problem with that. I had a problem with how conveniently he dismissed Snoke. I created Snoke. End of conversation. Next movie. Fuck off. He was the big bad for two movies. He got weaponated. I never got behind Snoke. I thought... I didn't either, but he was interesting because he was a new character we'd never seen before. He was the big bad. He was mysterious for the first movie. The second movie was kind of a pussy.
00:13:33
Speaker
And then the third movie is just completely dismissed by Palpatine. My problem was, at the end of Return of the Jedi, we knew nothing about Palpatine. Yup. How is that any different? Well, it's the final movie in the fucking whole series. And the and the comes back. I'm going to mark that.
00:13:51
Speaker
I have to remember the mark. And he comes back after fucking how many, out of 2.3 movies of being dead, he suddenly comes back and... But that's a story from canon as well, so I'm not surprised they did it. And I'm glad they did it. I'm not surprised he came back, and I have no issue with him coming back. Not canon anymore. All those books are... Oh, sorry. Legends. Legends. Yeah, but there's the... I mean, they're just picking ideas from that now. It's a little base. My problem was with it was going back and watching
00:14:19
Speaker
the sequel trilogy leading up to episode nine was that the whole thing with episode eight was that I thought Rian Johnson, because I originally really enjoyed the movie, I thought Last Air was great, but looking back on it in a trilogy form, it was pretty irresponsible of him to do what he did. Make your own movie like that, 100%, sign me up. But you need to be thinking about the bigger arc. So I mean, I'm not surprised that JJ played it safe in this one.
00:14:47
Speaker
And I mean, for wrapping up a nine film saga, I thought it was okay. There were a lot worse things he could have done. I thought he definitely played it very safe. I was surprised that no one really died. On that, what about
Star Wars Episode 9: Missed Opportunities and Visuals
00:15:04
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Ben Solo dying? What do you think about that?
00:15:08
Speaker
meh. I was asleep by that stage. Have you only seen it once? No, I've seen it three times now. He just sleeps every time. I wasn't even asleep for that the first time. It's just like, it was so meh, whatever. So here's my problem with him dying.
00:15:22
Speaker
He looks like Minnie Driver. Sorry, carry on. Him dying is not interesting to me. Him living is interesting to me. And redeeming, yeah. And then having to... So his existence in the trilogy wasn't interesting to me. Carry on. Okay. So my whole thing is that it should have been two movies. The first movie should have ended when she found out she was a Palpatine.
00:15:47
Speaker
and Ben Solo returned to the light side. There certainly would have been a cliffhanger ending. And then you have a movie where Ben Solo has to start interacting with Finn and Poe and all these people that he's tortured and killed their friends and that's interesting to me. Yeah. Hearing how those guys interact with it. And it's something we haven't seen. Yeah, and I almost go back to return to the Jedi and be like, what if Darth Vader had lived?
00:16:13
Speaker
Yeah, if Darth Vader had lived and then what do you do with him? Do you just say I want to know how it how Palpatine survived the fucking vacuum tube into the middle of the Death Star that then exploded after he got thrown off didn't But they didn't really cover that's my fucking point
00:16:33
Speaker
The same as they didn't cover, I know that it's very much in the Legends canon, the old stuff, that Leia was certainly force-sensitive, but after having her Mary Poppins moment in the last movie, where she pulls herself back into the ship, laugh at me, she looked exactly like Mary Poppins. I think there's been memes with the umbrella drawn in.
00:16:53
Speaker
Now suddenly she's so force-sensitive and so well-versed in the force that she's training people? Well, they showed her training. That's my point. It was just very jarring. Now for us, who know Leia's kind of backstory in the non-canon canon, okay, we can accept that. But for Joe Blogg's fan who's only watched Star Wars movies, to have her compress the whole Dagobah planet section of episode four into three minutes of training the chick,
00:17:22
Speaker
I have to say, for me, it's not that Leo was qualified to teach her, it was that that's all she had. And that's why, you know, at the start of the film, she's trying to talk to Luke. She's trying to talk to all these people and I feel like she's trying to do that so that she can get
00:17:40
Speaker
more training because Leia, as competent as she might be, is not a Jedi master and she can't train her properly. Well, no, she is now. No, we just... JJ just put it into the movie. She's a Jedi master. She's exactly as good as fuck. Jedi Knight, not master. She's a Jedi master because that's all... She's training people. By definition, she has to be a master. But she's a Jedi master because that's all Rey's got.
00:18:04
Speaker
No, I hope you won an episode two. He was just a night. Oh, you're right. Sorry, he was a night. Boom, baby, yes! Star Wars! Okay, Ben, keep going. Ignore those two having a side argument. No, I feel like she's a Jedi. She's a training Jedi because that's all Rey's got.
00:18:19
Speaker
She doesn't have anyone else. Yeah, but you could see a lot of parallels being drawn to that in all the scenes in Dagobah with fucking... with Yoda and Luke. I just... again, to me, I mean, it was fine. It didn't... it wasn't an inconsistency in the canon that we've grown up with. But for someone watching the movie, suddenly she's fucking balancing six rocks. I'm surprised they didn't try and bail her up in a fucking backpack, but the actress was probably... had already passed away tragically, I might add. I'm not making a joke out of that point.
00:18:47
Speaker
before they could film her giving a repeat back while doing all that shit. I'm sure there's been photoshopped of that as well. There was that photo of Luke on her back when they were shooting episode 8. Back to your point, you were saying that the interesting part would have been live and interact. They did something kind of similar in Rebels.
00:19:09
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where the lead imperial general or whatever he was for the first sort of two seasons of Rebels or first season or something. Are they inquisitor? No, no, no, no. He was just an imperial. He wasn't sensitive or anything. He defected to the rebellion. And they had those sort of interactions with him. They were like, we fought against you. You enslaved our planet and you killed hundreds of people that we knew. And that guy was just...
00:19:38
Speaker
Just the grunt, really. In a kids TV series. Well, I did the same in Return of the Jedi. The guy who was it? Krik Smaidin. He's the guy who's got like the kind of orang-a-beard. He was an Imperial who defected and that's how they got it. The fake beard. That they slapped on him at the last minute. The kind of orang-a-beard.
00:19:56
Speaker
Yeah, but yeah, he was he was the same thing. It was an imperial who defected and like you can I think there's like a whole backstory of his like him Yeah, how he dealt with being in the brilliant people like side-eyeing him and being like is he playing as again? Yeah, I think I think that keeping him alive would have been a much more interesting and played it out over a long period not just not just a five-minute at the end of the
00:20:16
Speaker
Party scene, I know we died at the end of this one, but like no celebration scene at the end of the fucking movie They play it out over a longer period and that's something interesting that we haven't seen How does Finn how do Finn and Poe trust him? Yeah, and that would be into that if he had a whole movie of that he's so interesting
00:20:35
Speaker
One of my, one of the biggest things I think they missed on this was bringing some of the now canon stuff into From Legends. So they Grand Admiral Thrawn. Why didn't I have him there on Exegul?
00:20:50
Speaker
Well, he's in Rebels now, I think, yeah. The last episode of Rebels, he gets taken. Yeah, he gets taken to the Unknown Regions, doesn't he? Yeah, exactly. Which is kind of hinted that that's where Eggers the Goal is. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So, they could have had Admiral Thorne there as building the army. Even if you just saw him on one of the bridges of the Star Destroyers, just have him there and see a live-action version. Yeah, that would have been cool. And then the other one, I think one of the Sith voices was Revan.
00:21:15
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so now they've dropped in the chat the big thing that they missed was dropping some more of those Sith ghosts in there because the Sith ghosts are like chains to things like because they've turned up in the Clone Wars they could have had all the Sith ghosts there behind Palpatine and like all of the force goes behind. I thought they missed a trick there by just doing the voices. They were really cool if they were just a bunch of force ghosts behind them.
00:21:39
Speaker
Going at it. Yeah, exactly. Not even if they don't clash or fight in any way, but just have them there as a representation to people that this is what's helping her make this final step to challenge. The light side's greater than the dark, even when they're all there together. Like Harry Potter.
00:22:00
Speaker
I haven't seen Harry Potter, so if I'm mimicking something that's almost that exact thing happens in Harry Potter. It's only on one side. It's only how they all dead ghosts come to Harry's wall to help Harry wants killed. Oh, really? So like his parents appear and like random. I didn't know that. And they like attack him.
00:22:20
Speaker
I'm surprised you haven't seen it, actually. I haven't seen the last two. Yeah, okay. And I would agree with you there, Ben. They could have done a Deathly Hollows part one and part two end of the nine movies a made of ten. Ten is a nice round number. Sure. And you break the trilogy cycle. Yeah. Which is what they're trying to do. Because I know they've said this is the end of the Skywalker series. If I don't see any more movies with Rey in it, I'm going to be pissed. Because you can't set her up like that.
00:22:47
Speaker
And then that's the last time we see it. And give her a cool yellow lightsaber. Yeah, it was cool. And then ditch it. Completely unexplained. There was no kyber crystal involvement. It's because they blew up. They did. No journey for the fucking... They blew up Ilum. Oh come on, they did the same thing with Mace Windu. Where did he get his kyber crystal from? Yeah, but he was a Jedi master. There was a lot of
00:23:05
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space for him to have already gone to get the Kyber Crystal gone through the journey. He did all the things that we did in the video game recently. Well, I think that's half the thing. They've done this. I reckon they've thrown a lot of things like that to like try and get especially younger people to go like, oh, what is that? I've got the whole internet now. I can go and yeah. Oh, you think you think gaps in the movie are actually just excuses to Google.
00:23:24
Speaker
No, I'm just saying. Don't give him that much credit, man. That's the easy answer. I guarantee you, all the- It's probably a fucking rainbow one just to get, no, I'll leave that there. All these things that you're talking about, there will be books about it, there will be comics about it. But they're gonna make money out of all of that either way. No matter how bad or well-written the story was, they would have made money out of all the extra shit. I think that it's adding interest. People are gonna wanna know how Palpatine came back.
00:23:51
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I thought it was a reasonable movie. I gave it 7 out of 10. Yeah. I've got to give JJ a bunch of credit for being the nostalgia king. Yeah, and I wish he had done all three. I really genuinely do. I do as well. I wanted JJ to do all three. Yeah. It was very obvious to me that they were ignoring episode eight. Yes. Yeah. And as much as they could, they just pretended it didn't happen.
00:24:18
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I didn't like challenging some of the old school established canon. I had problems with that. And there was a lot of repetition, but then there was a lot of repetition between episodes four and seven. And there was a little bit of the same kind of closing of the loop in six and nine. I thought that was quite neat. Even down to the scene right at the end. And three and nine. That was my favorite thing about the fight on the Death Star Ruins. Was it really like the water shooting up?
00:24:51
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I thought that was such a nice contrast because that's when almost when Anakin dies and he's in this fire pit. Well he essentially does die at that point. I know and then it's when
00:25:05
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Ben Solo comes back to life almost. Yeah. And he's surrounded by water. Yeah. I thought that was a really nice contrast and really cool. I wasn't a huge fan of the lightning storm that Palpatine, it was just kind of, you've seen it before, but it's, it's bigger. Oh, his lightning storm. I thought you meant the, the lightning on Exable. I fucking love it. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about his lightning storm. It was just, it just, I mean, that was cool. It was a spectacle. It was interesting to watch, but it was kind of, you've seen it before now where you're just going to make it 10 times bigger. Yeah. It just seemed a little bit,
00:25:33
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uh cheap yeah as a plot device but yeah it's forgivable i just i thought they could have done a hell of a lot more between in the interplay between solo and ray at the end i thought the fight with pulpitine was way too quick and they missed a lot of beats of of potential interplay there um yeah but i i did like the neatness to the whole thing
00:25:56
Speaker
Like I said, I'm not tanking the movie, I'm not giving it a 2 out of 10, I'm giving it a 7. It's just, it had so much more potential. I love the wedge coming back. That made my day. Yeah, that was cool. I'll tell you one thing I did like, I liked that the first half of the movie, the three leads it together the whole time. Yeah, it was a good adventure movie on that. And that was cool. Even the original trilogy, Luke, Leia and Han aren't together that much. True. And they're, because you know, particularly in Empire, they're all off doing their own thing.
00:26:24
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Jedi, Luke lives pretty quickly so go and do his thing with the Emperor. The only time they're really together is when they're on the Death Star in Episode 4. But it was a hero's journey. It was about Luke. No, no, no. I get that. And I thought it was really cool to have the three of them together. They do have terrific chemistry particularly. The actors? Fuck yes. I thought they did a really good job.
00:26:45
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When I don't I don't think it actually works properly. I don't think it works technically. I know we're talking about something that's not real, but they just spit it out. But I thought it was excellent. I love the spectacle of it was the hyperspace skipping. Yeah, that was cool.
00:27:02
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But I hate that it was just popping out on planets like I hate it kind of reminded me of the Marvel but the MCU Hyper I don't need any guardians totally ruined my train of thought getting shoulder bugs on the way through there Yeah, yeah, they did do it in Guardians where they kept popping out of that weird honeycomb structure of hyperspace
00:27:20
Speaker
I thought that was great and then when you're talking about chemistry between the characters when they land and Ray has a go at Po for damaging your falcon. And then she's damaged BB-8. And then Chewbacca comes out and starts going off behind him. Chewbacca was great. There was a lot of nostalgia in it too. I said to my wife before we went and saw it, as long as they give Chewbacca more screen time.
00:27:43
Speaker
And he absolutely gets... When they announced to Chewie that Leia died, I was like, oh, that fucking hits you. Hits you in the heart, doesn't it? And then he got his medal. And then he got his medal. Could have been him. Anything else we want to say on Star Wars before we move on to something totally different like Mandalorian? There's probably plenty, but we'll leave it for when Chris is here. But there's one thing... This won't be the only podcast episode we talk about it, because Chris has much to say. In the light speed skipping scene,
00:28:10
Speaker
Does the Falcon duplicate at one point or is it like a mirror? I think it's water like crystal clear water. I couldn't pick it and I was just it's like every time I've seen it I've like tried to like I'll have to figure out what the fuck you're watching. Like slow it down and be like is it yeah it's just that's the trippiest thing in the whole thing. Yeah I love that that that whole opening sequence I thought that was excellent yeah yeah it's just a great but also not just that part like the starting off with Ben going to Exegol or doing the
00:28:36
Speaker
on Mustafar as well. The forest scene, was that on Mustafar? Yeah, that's on Mustafar. It was Vader's castle. So I think they should have had more of that. Apparently, that's in the Jewel of Fates script that he was going to spend more time on Vader's castle on Mustafar, which would have been great. And another link back to the prequel series and everything like that. So that Jewel of Fates, Mr. Sunday Movies, has a great breakdown of that Jewel of Fates from the concept art that they released and everything. So it's well worth a watch. Yeah, how to look at it.
00:29:07
Speaker
And then I guess Disney's new plan with Lucasfilm is to make smaller, cuter characters in every iteration now. He was the best one that they've made. I agree. The extra little droid I felt was a little pointless.
00:29:26
Speaker
I think that was just to get JJ in the film. But they've done it so well so many times. And release another toy. Yeah. Yeah. But they've done it so, I mean, they've done droid characters so well so many times that it's going to get repetitious at some point. They're going to not get quite right. It was pointless. But the introduction of BB-8 had a point. And the other droids have a point. He was literally pointless. Yeah. It was just supposed to be a bit of a side-phone in the middle of the movie. But the little Bubba Grick or whatever his name is. Bubba Frick. Oh, he was fucking awesome. I laughed my ass off at him. I want to see more of him. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:55
Speaker
I think we might take a quick break where we grab our second beer and change topics, so give us a second. Tom's being a responsible manager and looking after a beer keg, even though he's not on the clock yet. I was going to say, still a little while away. The downfalls of being at work when you're not actually working is you're constantly being asked questions.
00:30:20
Speaker
And I'm not sure if the recording is going to come out, because I think when I checked the camera after 30 minutes it was off, so no idea what the state the video is going to be in. We'll find out later. Alright, you can leave the audio on and just put one of those... We interrupt this transmission. Yeah, stand by things on top of it. There's a good fallout. Fuck yeah.
00:30:40
Speaker
Should we talk about Mandalorian or do we want to get into something completely different? That was what I was going to say. Were we going to do something different and go back to Star Wars or finish Star Wars and go to something different?
Transition to The Witcher: Game and Series Discussion
00:30:50
Speaker
No, we'll go to something different. Witcher. This was another polarizing topic for this group of... I don't think it was. I think anyone that didn't like it was Chris.
00:30:58
Speaker
Yeah, and his missus hates it as much, apparently. I fucking loved it. It was great. And for me it was perfect timing because I came out of playing Witcher 3, which, you know, Dan's been at me for years because he knows the sort of video games I'm into and kept telling me I really need to play it. And I only recently picked it up just before Christmas and then platinum the fucking thing.
00:31:18
Speaker
Yes. And as a video game, it was an epic video game. Yeah, it is. And it's the most epic video game and series that I've ever played. Yeah, it was amazing. In terms of the depth of the quest system, the game mechanics themselves are enough to get out of the way, but still be interesting, the storylines. It really does play like an interactive movie. Yep. I did struggle a little bit with subtitles on versus off. Just wait till these two very loud girls walk past.
00:31:47
Speaker
We're going to be able to hear him walking out the door there, talking that loud. Yeah, we can still hear him through the headphones. Yeah, so I mean, I had trouble with subtitles. I found that if I turn subtitles off, I would actually watch the facial expressions, which are brilliantly rendered, even on PS4, where the graphics are quite a lot lower than on the PC. And it was interesting watching the actors interact.
00:32:07
Speaker
And they are all played by live-action actors, is my understanding, and mocapped. But then you'd have scenes where you couldn't understand what the fuck was being said because the trolls have such a thick accent, you can't understand them without subtitles, which would be okay if they weren't asking you riddles that you had to correctly answer. And I'm like, I've got no idea what the fuck he just said. You've played Witcher 3, haven't you been? I haven't, no. Watching the show, I was...
00:32:36
Speaker
fresh, never had, the only involvement with Witcher I'd ever had was when you gave me the comic. Right. For the while. Two of those graphic novels. Chris has a similar background, he didn't know anything about it, but I've got to say, I mean, even playing Witcher 3, you don't learn that much. You know, you're familiar with the main character names, but not the stories being told, none of that sort of stuff.
00:33:00
Speaker
So I'm not going to lie, that first episode I was completely lost. Sure. And it wasn't because I wasn't able to follow what was going on. It was because they weren't very clear about the three timelines. No, they weren't. And I mentioned this on the chat. Once I understood where the three timelines were and where they were happening, I followed it a lot better and it became much more enjoyable. And where the...
00:33:26
Speaker
Because there was a mechanic to the jumps, they always made a point of... So for anyone that hasn't watched it, the Witcher, the main character, Geralt, doesn't actually age. Nor does one of the other major characters throughout the series, Yennefer.
00:33:43
Speaker
They don't call her a magician, do they call her a sorceress? She's a witch or something. She's a sorceress. Yeah. I mean, they've got a few names for them, but yeah. Yeah, but they're sorceresses and sorceresses. So two major characters throughout the series don't age and then you're jumping backwards and forwards in time and without much announcement whatsoever, you kind of have to learn how to pick up the cues. But I think that was great. It's great because you know it.
00:34:06
Speaker
No, no, no, not true because it's not like the video games have anything to do with time jumping between No, no, no, no Pick up the cues and some of the stuff that was in the show was not is not in the books and is not in the game so all the Yennefer's history none of that is in any any any previous book or Video game or anything like that. So I love the fucking eels
00:34:31
Speaker
Yeah. The unsuccessful sorcerers, you know, apprentice sorcerers get turned into fucking eels and then... To power the... And they are used. They're useful. They just turned into fucking some sort of magical electric eel that power the fucking...
00:34:46
Speaker
But I actually thought the whole time jump stuff, when I watched the first episode, I thought, oh, they're gonna make them all the same age, they're not gonna explain any of them being older than Cirilla or anything like that. And they're just gonna run these three stories and then eventually they're gonna intersect and that's it. I didn't know anything about the time differences, I just thought they were completely ignoring the age of the characters.
00:35:16
Speaker
The first time I noticed it was with the Queen's children, went from being adults to children. And Geralt walks past and goes, oh, hi, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, ah, hang on. Like eight seconds ago, he was a fucking adult. I can't remember the names. That wasn't the Queen's children. That was the King. It was the Prince, I'm sure. It was the King of Edirne. Yeah, right. And he was talking to the Prince and Princess. So Geralt did the... We're on the Witcher 3.
00:35:43
Speaker
Toss a coin. Yeah. They had the episode where Geralt cured the daughter of the king who was the Striga. And then the very next episode, Yennefer, is with the same royal family but a generation before. And that king was a young boy. And you saw his sister that Geralt looked at the painting of them and they were children. So that was a different royal family for a different area. But yeah, you're exactly right.
00:36:12
Speaker
Who was the Bard? I can't remember his name. Dandelion. Jessica. Jessica? Jessica? Yeah. What was the replacement for Dandelion essentially in the story? Well, I actually think what they're going to do is they used him as a... So in the very first book called Blood of Elves, the first proper novel, Yennefer actually thanks Dandelion, who was named Buttercup in the original Polish version, but they thought it wasn't manly enough, so they changed it to Dandelion. Buttercup was also a character in the Princess Bride.
00:36:42
Speaker
Yeah, so Yennefer actually... There's an old fucking pop culture reference. Yennefer thanks Danny Lyon for being such a good travelling companion with Geralt because he's such a loner and she thought it was really good that he needed this companionship to sort of bridge the gap between him being a grumpy old witcher and the human world. And I think that's why they introduced the bard in this in the earlier timeline.
00:37:10
Speaker
Yeah, so there was that comical play between the two characters and wasn't just Geralt out in the open not just talking to Roach Yeah, there was also some some exposition but very like and still within character because Geralt's not really a talker
00:37:25
Speaker
As is fairly fucking obvious in the series, right? But he has to talk to him. But he has to talk to him. Of Henry Cavill just grunting for like four minutes. Every time he goes, and fuck. There's some really good interviews with him about how he structured that voice and the accent that he selected. It was all very carefully chosen. Oh, he loves the character. Apparently, he was like a big fan of the games, and he sought out the role. He did, yeah.
00:37:51
Speaker
And he's perfect because he can't fucking act. He's like a mannequin on screen and that's exactly what Geralt's like. He does know his stuff, yeah. They quiz him about something and he goes real in depth and the interviewer's like, oh, okay. I did like the, he was talking, I also watched some of his fitness videos also happening to run a fitness channel. So he talks about the weight training program that he was on for
00:38:15
Speaker
filming of The Witcher. He was talking a lot about the extra strengthening exercises he had to go through for his forearms and his wrists to make sure he didn't injure himself with the sword work. That's specifically some dancing because from his perspective his style of swordsman or swordsplay was very florally dancing. I thought it was cool. I mean
00:38:36
Speaker
You know, if you watch any of the behind the scenes footage for the prequel trilogy of Star Wars, you kind of get some of the same sort of story where they went
Beer Tasting: Beer Farm's Western Cider
00:38:46
Speaker
from dark ages, 12th century sword fighting style to very martial artistic sword fighting style for the prequel trilogy.
00:38:54
Speaker
just comparing the original trilogy to the prequel. And so it was kind of cool to see the same sort of things from Henry Cavill. Before we go on further, we're drinking the beer farm from WA there, Western Cider. We're drinking the whole beer farm. This is what the beer farm is, the brewery. Western Cider, it's really good. It's a nice dry, it's got some like tannin, I know the brewer and who designed this recipe so I can pick out all of his little styles there.
00:39:22
Speaker
There's some tannin in there that makes it nice and woody and dry and gives it some extra flavor structure in that. It's not super sweet, so it's like a semi-dry, semi-sweet. But it is quite sweet. I was saying that before for a dry cider. Semi-dry, semi-sweet. So it falls that midline and yeah, it's really nice. It's quite well layered too. You can taste the separation between the sweetness and the dryness. As distinct from, I was drinking Pipsqueak the other day, which is actually a really, really good mass-produced cider if you're into those kinds of sweeter ciders it tours into the night.
00:39:52
Speaker
Dan didn't rate them at all. After 11 gin and tonics they polished off the night for me quite well. Tell you mate you got to drop that gin into the sour or the cider you'll be set. Yeah I've been on my Archie Rose a lot lately so that's some yeah. Yeah that's a good idea actually. A shot of gin in a sour. Sounds like it's good time. Have you got any good gin here? Plenty of good gin.
00:40:16
Speaker
All right. Well, I'll be doing that towards the end of the podcast. Yes, chef. Just so I can slur a little bit. Yeah, sorry. Did you interject there? No, good. Do you have any thoughts on Witcher 3, Tom? Or Witcher, the TV series? Well, actually, I've, yeah, I have since gone back now and
The Witcher: Game Choices and Storytelling
00:40:36
Speaker
I'd never finished the DLC for Witcher 3, so now I've gone back and started those two stories again. I did enjoy seeing the statistic. What was it like? It was something like 100,000 people picked up Witcher 3 after the series got on Steam. It went straight back up to the top of the Steam charts. Well, they've said that they've finished. So Witcher 3, I was reading interviews about Witcher, yeah, with the game developers for Witcher 4, and they have said categorically that Geralt's story is over.
00:41:06
Speaker
Yes. 100,000 people picking up. Sorry, Mike Clark from Source Brewing is just on the table over there. We'll probably be having one of his beers later. We kind of have to now. No, we've got to wait. It's going to be awkward not to. Fucking great. Sorry, it's a good drop. But yes, they have said Geralt's story is over. Having 100,000 people pick up the game after the fucking TV series comes out just gives them more impetus to go and do another story in Witcher 4.
00:41:34
Speaker
Oh, they've said that they are going to do a Witcher 4. After they've finished their other project they've been working on. The cyberpunk that just got fucking delayed till September. Yeah, that's when I might talk another epic game. It just says game delays, just like angry faces. Because your Final Fantasy 7 got delayed too. And Avengers. And Avengers. So they don't know whether they're going to do... It's going to be another drought for video games. We're going to have to get laid again.
00:42:00
Speaker
they don't know whether they're going to do a series story or they're going to do a whole new character. I hope they do a whole new character. I like to do a whole new character in one of the other schools as well because they kind of get so hinted at through everything it'd be nice to like follow. And there's actually a really cool thread through the Witcher 3 video game about the
00:42:18
Speaker
What school was it? It was the school of the cat, wasn't it? There's a mission with a guy from the school of the cat. Pete, this was actually one of the things I had to ask you about. Did you meet Letho of Gullet, the really big bald witcher?
00:42:37
Speaker
Was he the guy at the start of Witcher 2? He was the main... He gave me the context for the quest. I could probably answer that question. I think I did. So Geralt goes to a barn. It starts off you not knowing. Yes. And then Leto's in the top of the... Yes. And he's a monster. He's huge.
00:42:52
Speaker
Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about. Because you might not have met him at all. He met everyone in the town. Yes. Because they didn't pay up. Yes. And then you go and meet him at the cemetery or some sort of weird statue. Yeah. So you might not have, if you'd picked the wrong choice in the shaving scene before you meet the emperor of Nilfgaard.
00:43:15
Speaker
You might have actually picked one that would have taken Letho out of the game completely. Okay, no. No, I killed him. Because Letho... You killed him? Oh, fuck, okay. Well, that ruins that. I met him, and I anally destroyed him with my sword. It's different, because Letho is the main antagonist in The Witcher 2. Hang on. Because he's the guy... We're talking about someone different. He's not...
00:43:37
Speaker
He's the one on the boat. I'll show you. We're sitting here with mini computers connected to the World Wide Web right in front of us and I haven't fucking put it up. Yes, that is leather of color. Yeah, yeah. I know the guy talking about that. Number 10, Hop Nation Jedi Juice. Anyone surprised? Nope. Nope. Dropped from last year. It was nice. I'm just glad to see that fucking picture up on the screen after that little prick with his little prick walked into a fucking bottle and had a wine. So this is leather.
00:44:07
Speaker
Oh, I might not have met him. Okay, so you've picked the choice in... I picked all the choices that led to the Platinum trophy in one playthrough. Okay, so yeah. Which was most of the game. Like, the choices that support... There are actually quite a few choices in the game that I had to load back. We'll get back to that. Let me tell you about Letho first, because otherwise I'm going to get way off track. Letho was the antagonist in Witcher 2, the Assassins of King. He was a Witcher from the School of the Serpent. Right. And...
00:44:34
Speaker
basically he's the boss at the end of the game that you can you stand there and you have a conversation with because you build up this whole thing rapport with him through the whole Witcher 2 and you can completely not do the boss fight if you if you decide to just walk away conversation with him and there's some choices that you make that lead to you being able to go radio like I don't have a problem with
00:44:57
Speaker
you and just walk away. He comes and if that's one of the choices that you make in three and then one of the quests brings him back up and continues and finishes his story. He will actually, if you do the right choices, be at Kaer Morhen when the Wild Hunt attack.
00:45:14
Speaker
No, then. Yeah, I had him at Cameron. Yeah, so did I. I did not. I don't think. I don't think he was in my game. Yeah, well, no, because if you do fight him, you kill him. Well, at the end of the fight of Witcher 2, you also make the choice to let him live or kill him. I did make a point of making all the choices that led to me fucking all of the women. There's a surprise. And I've got to say. And they all walked away from you in the end.
00:45:36
Speaker
I've got to say, yes, that's exactly right. I love the three way. He walks in and just the voice acting and the facial expressions, Geralt's like, I don't believe this is happening. I'm going to sleep with my two women that I'm in love with at the same time. This is like a dream come true. They time to a bed and then fucking leave him there.
00:45:56
Speaker
It was so poetic. While you were playing it. And I actually really hated that choice of letting Tris get on the ship. Yeah. Because there was no way to say to her, look, we need your help. Stay. But not for me. Yeah, exactly. There was no choice there for that, which really annoyed me. No, I just thought I loved her and she came back.
00:46:19
Speaker
Yeah, but that's the only choice you have to make to make a start. But then what bugged me though about that little side storyline, and this is how intriguing this game is, you kind of do get invested a little bit into the character choices you're making and the fact that they didn't give you the choices you wanted. There was no way to then continue the romance with Triss because it kind of forces you down the Yennefer path. No, it doesn't.
00:46:45
Speaker
Well, I mean, you don't have to fuck Yennefer, but you never get another opportunity to do anything with Triss after you tell her you're over and she comes back. You get some interactions in Cam Oden, but that's it. Is there a happily ever after with Triss ending? There is. Oh, I'm going to have to go back and fucking play again. That's really annoying.
00:47:01
Speaker
But yes, no, I even fucked randoms I'd like there's a side quest that I just in the middle of a bike in in a middle of a Norse Town somewhere the CD Projekt red guys just sitting there going. Yes, we got one Yeah
00:47:16
Speaker
You're walking and it reminded me of, I don't know if anyone's seen the Kevin Costner movie, The Postman, where he kind of wanders into the town and the woman says, my husband's cool with it. He's barren. I want to have, we need to have kids. And he has been irradiated by the apocalypse. Please fuck me and give me a child.
00:47:34
Speaker
because the town's quite small in population and obviously too much interbreeding, you end up with some fucked up kids. So it kind of reminded me of that. She told me this story. Oh no, I fought her. I found her on the top of a mountain. I had a, she wanted a- No, this is a fever dream you had once. No, no, no. I don't remember this mission either. I had to fuck up.
00:47:56
Speaker
Random chick fighting some dudes. Random chick fighting some dudes and you defeat her in combat and she says, you're the only person I've ever met that's worthy enough to marry. And she says, come back and meet me at my place. And you go in there and you say, look, I can't settle down. I know that you've decided that the only person that is good enough for you to marry and settle down and have kids with will be the guy that defeats you in combat. But I'm just passing through.
00:48:23
Speaker
You want to fuck? And she's like, yeah, sure, let's do it. Wait until you end up playing the Blood and Wine and you actually go to the French district. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, I just started half the time. Zebigada belts everywhere. Kaiju number nine, Crush. OK.
00:48:39
Speaker
I don't see that around much, but that's good that it's up there. They released an article the other day that apparently that's the beer that's got them to like just about produce a million liters a year. They're smashing them. Yeah, I knew they were. They're putting a lot out in the big, in Coles or Coles or Danes or one of the other. But yeah, I knew that was the one that really saved them, which is great.
00:49:02
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, look, which the TV series, I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yes, it was a little different and some people found some difficulty in following the path through the time jumps. But I'm cool with a series that you kind of have to... I love that part. It's a bit meta and you have to step back and look for the signs. But at the same time,
00:49:21
Speaker
Not everything can be fucking pre-chewed and spoon-fed, kids. Good choice of actors. I think Yennefer was excellent as both the ugly hunchback and the beautiful sorcerers. I thought Henry Cavill was great. I thought the young girl, Sarilla, even though those blue contacts were really distracting. Oh, they were terrible. They were really distracting, but then I thought
00:49:42
Speaker
Even little parts, like the guy that plays the Doppler was great, Mouse Sack was awesome. Mouse Sack was great, actually. Calantheria, the lioness of Cintra, she was awesome. A lot of strong dudes who play Marwene Dragon. Yeah, he was good at everything. He is good at everything, yeah. And it was cool to see a series, and I know it's not Witcher Netflix specifically, but it's cool to watch a series where there are genuine monsters that have had
00:50:08
Speaker
drawn from mythology but have had a lot of thought put into their mechanics and how they operate and their own backstories, their own processes, weaknesses. I love that in the game and I love that in the series as well. The one character that I loved who will be back in the more future seasons was Japen Zigrun who was one of the dwarves in the Gold Dragon episode. He was the lead dwarf. He was great. Who's the lead dwarf you get? Zoltan? Zoltan. He'll be in it.
00:50:38
Speaker
He'll be in it going forward, I reckon. That's right. When I first saw the dwarves, I was like, yeah, Zoltan, he's a fucking boss. And then I was like, no, no, Japen is in the books. He's much earlier than Zoltan. I think Zoltan was almost a Witcher 1 video game. He's got to be one of my favorite characters in Witcher 3. Zoltan, yeah. All the dwarves are great. I can't tell you how many times I walked up to Zoltan when he's in your house in... Oh, God, it's been a couple of months since I played the game now.
00:51:05
Speaker
Novigrad. You get the building. He renames it. It used to be the brothel. And Dandelion takes over and renames it. I can't remember either. But you just walk up to Zoltan and you interact with him in the game. And he just said Geralt's typical Zoltan. Geralt! And I just fucking do that over
Anticipation for New Shows and Games
00:51:24
Speaker
and over and over again. It's just such a perfect interplay between those two. This little Scottish accent. Geralt!
00:51:30
Speaker
Anyway, cool. Next topic. Any more on the Witcher series, Ben? No, I've said, I did enjoy it. I've still got one episode to go, but I am enjoying it a lot. I really like the fight scenes. Yeah, the swordplay's excellent. The swordplay's really good. But yeah, like I said, once I realized the three different timelines, I enjoyed it a lot more.
00:51:52
Speaker
Yeah. And they do that. That'll be the end of this too. Yeah. Once they, once they roll season two, all the characters, you can see, I've still got one episode to go, but you can see they're all kind of aligning with each other. So that's good. I'm happy.
00:52:10
Speaker
And there were some differences between the books and that, that only bugs me a little bit. He wasn't Geralt of Rivia at the timeline that this is. He didn't get that title until much, much later. And there's some other bits and pieces, but other than that, I think everything that he did was for a reason. It was great.
00:52:32
Speaker
Any other comments on Witcher before we take like a 10 second break for me to reset the camera? I can't wait for Season 2. I'm soaking. Yeah. And yeah, it's forced me to go back and play the game again. As soon as I finish Titans, I'm going to try and rewatch Witcher. Oh, you haven't finished Titans? OK, cool. I've got one Epp to go. OK. I'm only one Epp in. Oh, really?
00:52:51
Speaker
I was suffering pretty hard from insomnia last night, so I managed to get through two more episodes I didn't expect to at three o'clock this morning. But I want to try and rewatch it before Altered Carbon Season 2 comes out on Netflix, which is in two weeks. With Anthony Mack in it now. Who's he? Falcon.
00:53:11
Speaker
Is he? Yeah. He's the new guy in the Takeshi Kovac. Yeah. Is the Expanse Season 4 out as well? I think I might be coming soon. I haven't finished Season 2 of that. Alright, we'll take a quick break and back in two seconds. We're back.
00:53:33
Speaker
Yes, welcome. Give us another topic. Mandalorians? No, Tom was talking about games. Yes, video games. I think we've done enough TV and movie stuff and I'm sure Chris will have a child if he doesn't get to talk about at least one of the shows we've seen since. Oh, we're going to recover them all. Yeah. Just because he can't read. So I sent to the chat, I'm not sure if you guys did it, but the PlayStation wrap up they did for you.
00:53:56
Speaker
Do you want to talk about what we're drinking? Oh yes. Yes. Because I don't actually know what we're drinking. Yeah. I was going to pass it. This is ballistic. They're from Salisbury in Queensland. This is the Hawaiian Hayes Double Dry Hot Pale Ale, which comes in at 4.6%. It's fucking great. Yeah. It's really nice. It's like drinking orange juice with hazy. Yeah.
00:54:16
Speaker
Good, have no words. It's just that good. It's not green hot bitterness, but it's got a little bit of bitterness. You do get a little bit of the green out of it. Yeah, but not crazy. Yeah, but it is very pineapple-y and tropical-y and tropical-y. Juicy good nearly. Yep. What did you think, Ben? I like it. It's probably my least favorite today.
00:54:40
Speaker
Actually, no, that's not true. The first one is my least favorite because that tasted like sour water. I love that. I love you, Ben. Technically what it is. But I liked the cider a lot, the second one we had. And this one is good. You're a bit more of a cider drinker, though, aren't you? I like cider more. Or tequila.
00:55:03
Speaker
Well, if we had to kill a podcast, that's it. It'd be 15 minute episodes. So then we got to wrap up, guys. Very, very inappropriate. Yep. Yep. Cool. We will get some more photos, though. It'd be expensive to afford all those girls to take the particular shots out of. Yeah.
00:55:22
Speaker
Don't shake your head mate, you haven't been married that long. See all the thoughts race across his eyes then. We can rent a couple of guys too if you want equal opportunity renting.
00:55:38
Speaker
Carry on. Butthole shots, I'm all up for that. Yeah, butt funnels. So I don't know, I've kind of set myself a challenge for this year after looking at that PlayStation wrap-up where it said I played through 24 games last year. I'm going to get to where mine is on that. Oh, you didn't find it? No. Oh, weird. It was just up there. I signed into PlayStation. It was like, this is your wrap-up. On the website. On the website. Yeah, on the website. OK, no worries.
00:56:05
Speaker
But I realized actually going back through one of the guys who works here, his partner plays video games, and he was like, do you have any games for him to borrow? And I was like, yeah, sure. I'll send you the shots of all the physical copies I have rather than the ones I've digitally downloaded. And I looked at it, and I was like, oh, haven't finished that one. Haven't technically finished that one. I've still got DLC to do on that one. So that's my challenge this year is to before
00:56:30
Speaker
to clean up because of all these massive game delays. Yeah. Obviously, we've been all a bit pissed off about another video game drought this year, I think, which is perfect because I've got this massive backlog of games to go in the lead up to the PlayStation 5. Yeah. Which would be probably Christmas 2020, right? Yeah, Christmas.
00:56:46
Speaker
Yeah, Christmas this year. I reckon November this year. I think they're meant to do a launch. There's rights open. Rumors of a launch that's going to be coming out. That was a great crunch. February, like mid-February, they'll do an event because they're skipping E3 again. Yeah, I heard that. Can I just say, these chips are really good. Yeah, they are really good. The chips, where are we? Uncle Hopps? In the Bank Hotel in Newtown. Bank Hotel in Newtown. Fantastic chips. They'd be better chips of some sort. With chicken salt.
00:57:15
Speaker
Yeah, OK, nice. That's the magic touch. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Very good. We're diversifying the podcast. Chips. Yeah, it's like the Wayneswell there. We're brought to you by chips, the crunch of a new generation. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. But I was looking through my catalog the other day, and I got so hyped up for Borderlands 3, it's still in its plastic wrapping, because I've been playing all these big games. I did just go.
00:57:46
Speaker
So I had a, as you guys all know, I had a bit of an accident on Christmas Eve. Oh yeah, how is the old mitt there? It's a bit still manky. Put a hand saw through my index finger and severed the nerve because I'm smart. But it forced me to have two weeks off work. You didn't miss this though, so it's all good. No, no. But yeah, two weeks off work and I got to finally smash through a bunch of games that were sitting there that were like that close to being finished. How did you finish with a busted trigger finger?
00:58:15
Speaker
Well, once they did the surgery, it's just that I moved my middle finger up to use the triggers. So I just adapted. Darwinism at its finest. There's a will, there's a way to play video games. I don't think Darwin had that in mind when he was sitting on the boat. You can get that adaption for the PlayStation Control now that's got the back buttons. You can move the triggers at the back now too. Mangled idiots that cut their fingers off.
00:58:39
Speaker
Yeah, well, it probably would have gone in the Darwin Awards then having a bit of adaptation. But yeah, going through, finally finished the entire of Odyssey, like all the DLC back because I bought it and I was like, well, I've got to go finish it. I had to take a break from it, though, for a couple of weeks because it was so repetitive. You're talking AC Odyssey. AC Odyssey, yeah. It is repetitive. I didn't get through the DLC on that. Yeah. What was the repetitive nature of it? Every single mission is just like,
00:59:06
Speaker
run here, collect this, kill this guy, run back here, talk to this dude, boss fight. Pretty much. I haven't touched Odyssey yet, but I love that great world. Well, that was what drew me in. There were two DLCs there, at least. The first one was all about Persian assassins coming into Greece, and it was more like a personal story.
00:59:29
Speaker
Oh, and they started to weave together the actual Assassin's Creed into the story because the whole main game in Odyssey, there is no Assassin. There is no Assassin's Creed. You're a dude with the wrist... Fucking... No, you don't have the wrist thing. You got the spear. Sorry, you're right. It's just more like a... It's a first person...
00:59:51
Speaker
Third-person perspective, but it's like same mechanics. Like you still got like the parkour kind of element to it. They took a lot of that out too. They simplified the shit out of it. There's not a lot of stealth. In fact the whole game I rarely use stealth. That DLC is the only thing that really made it feel like an Assassin's Creed game in the story. Otherwise it was kind of just like
01:00:12
Speaker
running around ancient Greece. Have you got to go and collect this beer every time you throw it or you can't throw it? No, you throw it and then you like walk to it. Oh, okay. It's got magical properties. It is Leonardo's. But then the second DLC is all about first one you're in Elysium, second one you're in the underworld, and the third one you're in Atlantis. And it's more dealing with like... And Atlantis was lame.
01:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, it was great. If you had been playing this game at launch and being excited for like, you've smashed through the game, which it took me, I finished the other day, when I finished it, my total hours was like 160 hours put into this game.
01:00:51
Speaker
But I reckon a good 20 of those were just spent on the last bit of DLC, which is great for a DLC. It was huge, but it was just like after playing the other... It was too grindy. After playing the other two, it was all the same, just kind of like a different kind of story. I find that with DLCs generally though, if you... Wait till you get to Blood and Wine and the Witcher. Well, that's what I'm saying. So particularly if you're going for the Platinum,
01:01:14
Speaker
By the time you finish the grind that usually is the last few trophies to get a platinum trophy, you need to take a break before you go and tackle the DLCs because you're just burned out by that state. Yeah, you're just playing the same game over and over. I'm struggling with Witcher 3 for the exact same reason. Yeah, I can't get the platinum. I have to go back and start again because I can't play Gwent to save my life because I never learned the mechanic.
01:01:34
Speaker
Oh no, really? It was so much fun, man. That's why I want to go back and do it. I also got to go play it on Death March. Yeah. But I also finished Jedi Knight 2 again. I saw you applying that the other day. Having my ass handed to me, and Emma was sitting there watching me, and she's just like, the comments start. And I'm just like, you couldn't do this. Shut up, shut up, shut up. And then I realized why it was kicking my ass. And I accidentally, I wanted just a quick play through to reminisce about the game. But I'd set it to the hardest difficulty.
01:02:04
Speaker
thought I'd said start the game and accidentally clicked on it so well I meant I got the you know got that trophy thing out of the out of the way so like but yeah next is um go back through Witcher 3 and then just cause four because those games are ridiculously fun yeah I've tried to play them a couple of times but I just the repetitive nature of that gets me
01:02:26
Speaker
Oh, I just had some fun trying to surf a car off a cliff. Yeah, that is the fun aspect. You steal a jumbo jet and you surf a jumbo jet. You just drive the flight straight into a factory of enemies. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Dianty. Yes. Yeah. All right. Here we go. All right. But yeah, I was just more curious what you guys had if you've seen. I haven't touched my PlayStation in a while, since Witcher 3. Yeah, right. And Ben's been moving, so he probably hasn't touched his either. Yeah, my PlayStation hasn't even turned on yet.
01:02:56
Speaker
That's sad. Well, there's a reason for it. It's because my theater room's not ready yet. Ah, that's bad. Once it's ready, though. So we have feral biggy juice in at number seven on the Honest 100. Let me refresh that. Remembering to update from time to time on the podcast since it is one of the reasons why we're here. We'll read top 10 then before we get to number one.
01:03:21
Speaker
Yeah.
Exploring Thronebreaker: A Witcher Tale
01:03:22
Speaker
Yeah, well, speaking of Gwent, I started to play Thronebreaker, which is the Witcher tale, but it's all the combat is done in the Gwent system. Yeah, right. But it's updated from the Witcher 3 system. Yeah, so much updated. The Witcher 3 system is fairly basic. It's just to play a card and get the highest number. Yeah. This one you can, there's attacks and there's orders and there's loyalty conditions and even you get some of the best things are the puzzles in it because they give you a custom deck
01:03:50
Speaker
And a set condition that you have to make to win that game is not the highest points. And you've got to work out which way to strategically use the cards in the right order to meet the conditions of the win. So it's there in front of you. You can always make the puzzles with special decks. Yeah, that's super interesting. I'm really enjoying it. Bit more thinking, but there still seems to be a fair amount of storyline. I've bought the game and opened it, but I haven't actually sat down to start playing it properly.
01:04:19
Speaker
Huge amount of storylines, choices involved, like your Maeve, Queen of Rivia.
01:04:27
Speaker
And you're leading your army basically, well you are definitely leading your army. But you can stop ambushes and rescue peasants and add them to your army, but then your resource consumption goes up. And then you might have saboteurs, like they might actually be working for the enemy, or they might just hate her, so they'll do things or alert the enemy so you'll get ambushed in a harder fight.
01:04:54
Speaker
Because there is certain aspects to fights that make them easier or harder, which is the morale of your army. So if you get ambushed, and whoever initiates the fight gets the first turn. So if you get ambushed, they surprise you, so they get to go first. If you go running into combat, you start the fight, so you get to go first. So there is conditions on that side of it, which make it really interesting, especially if you're coming up against a hard one.
01:05:21
Speaker
Yeah, but it's great. I love it. It's a little tactical game, top down, isometric. And then you'd go into the cardboard whenever you're in combat. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's fun. You can jump in for 10 minutes, do a couple of little battles and advance the story a little bit and bump out.
01:05:38
Speaker
Well, that's been the problem for me is like I've been playing all these massive open world kind of story based games and it's like, I've got an hour before I have to leave for work.
Beer Updates and Gaming Industry Trends
01:05:46
Speaker
I'll just play a little bit and it's like you get halfway through a quest. You're like, oh, yeah, that's it. Yeah, they're not pick up, put down games. Yep. Got a couple of updates on the countdown. Yep. Bridge Road, Beechworth Pail, Excellent Pail and your mates, Larry. Which I can't say that I've ever tried. No.
01:06:02
Speaker
I know your mates, but I don't know what the Larry is. I think it's just their pale. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. That was in last year's. That was up there. And I was surprised. Everyone's like, oh, where'd these guys come from? Yeah. They're the football I own one, aren't they? Isn't it a couple of the Queensland footballers are involved in that? Yeah, right. I think so. Not sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they are. But anyway, do you rugby league players? Yeah, not exactly.
01:06:28
Speaker
Oh yeah, you would know, Ben. You're a mad sports guy. Fuck Queensland. Which I can tell. Fuck Queensland. Right, so he's a mad yourself. I can dunk you on the head with. Any other video games you want to talk about?
01:06:44
Speaker
I guess it's just, you know, start a new year, what was coming out this year that we were excited for. Nearly everything that I was excited for has been delayed. Exactly right. There's nothing actually in the video game world that I'm excited for other than the PS5. Cyberpunk, man. Cyberpunk's gonna be fucking awesome. And what was it, Dead or Alive 3? Not Dead or Alive. Good and Evil.
01:07:07
Speaker
Yeah, that's that then I still I have serious doubts if that's gonna release at all
01:07:15
Speaker
I don't know, they're a big house. Yeah, no. They've been working on that for, yeah, that's what, two years since they released that big trailer. Yeah, still nothing. I mean E3 this year was, I mean last year was shit. The E3 before that was shit. I wouldn't be surprised if coming next year or the year after E3 dies off and it's more of a, I guess a platform for indie guys to get up and show their wares, but the big guys do their own thing. Like PlayStation's already doing it. Which have already started to do, I mean Sony's been out for two years now.
01:07:41
Speaker
And they're not coming back for 2020 either. And Nintendo's always been, they've always been half a foot out anyway. They do their own thing. It's really just a Microsoft fucking conference these days. Yeah. For their Scorpion Earth. It's like 3% faster than the last version of the fucking Xbox. The little tower, the little black box. Yeah. It's the last thing they pull out of the wreckage of your house.
01:08:02
Speaker
It looks solid. It recorded you screaming, but you didn't consent to the video filming. Yeah, it's really big. It looks chunky. It's a PC. They're all PCs these days, but that one actually doesn't go out of its way not to look like a PC. Yeah, I know. Just the bigger they get, I have very little broom on my TV cabinet. I'm going to have to spend more money to upgrade a TV cabinet just to get the new fucking systems on it.
01:08:24
Speaker
That's definitely a hashtag first world problem, but carry on. Oh, yeah. I mean, so is buying a fucking new console. New console. This whole podcast. Exactly. This isn't the most self-indulgent fucking thing that we do. It's ridiculous. Eating beer out of chips while drinking beer on a podcast. Sure. Drinking free beer, by the way, too. Thank you, Tom. Oh, you're welcome. Thanks, Tom. That's all right. Yeah. Speaking of which, hurry up, because I want a fourth beer in this podcast.
01:08:48
Speaker
Or I've got a really good one to bring out for that one, actually. Well, I'm going to talk about Shooter for three seconds while you do that, then.
Shooter Series and Movie Mentions
01:08:55
Speaker
Have you seen Shooter on Netflix? Is that the one based off the movie? No, no, I haven't watched it yet. It's on the list. I think it was based off a book anyway, wasn't it? I think the movie was, yes. So Ryan Philippe headlines the series as the replacement for Mark Wahlberg out of the movie. And they start with the first season is essentially a retelling of the movie.
01:09:15
Speaker
but with a hell of a lot more complexity to the layers of conspiracy behind it. You have to look into it and see where it was based on. I wouldn't be surprised it was based on a book. It's well enough.
01:09:34
Speaker
that the storyline is intricate enough for it to make sense. I actually went back and watched after, so they made three seasons. I have to admit the third season kind of went off a little bit off the deep end and they canned it there in 2018. But it was still well worth watching, it was interesting, it was complex, the characters were complicated enough to make you buy into them. But the conspiracy layering got a little bit
01:10:00
Speaker
Yeah well that can be a very deep dark rabbit hole once you start going down those. Actually it ended up being the other way around it was way too shallow. So in season three they start killing off the big bad conspiracy group within the US government and in the first season they made out like it was this
01:10:16
Speaker
network worldwide and there's spies everywhere and there's fucking bad guys everywhere and then season three they start knocking these fuckers off and there's like six of them and then it's like oh we're pretty much done. And you don't know when they got the news they were going to be cancelled at the end of season three for them to kind of wrap halfway through so yeah fuck it we'll just make it six deep and we're done. It is based on a novel called Point of Impact.
01:10:41
Speaker
Okay, who's the author? Steven Hunter. Sounds like a good Friday night. Omar Epps is in it. I like him as an actor, he's cool. He came out of House MD, I think was probably one of his first acting roles. He was also in Dracula 2000. I'm sorry, I missed him in that. I don't think I've ever seen that fucking movie. Oh my god, there's a review of it on my blog.
01:11:07
Speaker
Yeah. From the Abyss de Zoolander. From the Abyss de Zoolander. What's the URL? Bsmoviereviews.com.au. Dot com. Dot com. He sprung for the fucking, the big domain. Fun fact about that movie, Jared Butler plays Dracula.
01:11:30
Speaker
Yeah, wow, okay. I don't remember that. I remember the movie and how shockingly bad it was, but I don't actually... I know no one's really finished season two of Titans yet.
Titans TV Series: Casting and Character Development
01:11:40
Speaker
I have. Okay. I've got one to go. I think Dan's one in and you're... I haven't started. No. Sorry. Well, I was going to ask an interesting question, but... Go for it. I don't mind. Well, they picked a Scotsman to play Bruce Wayne.
01:11:53
Speaker
Oh yeah, it's Friendzone. And I found that... Thank you. I found that the actor they picked for him was actually... Neither. I dig the pick. Yeah. I mean, he's blonde, which is a little different, but he's grizzled. He plays a good veteran, Bruce Wayne. It's believable. You know, he's past middle age. I will have some more thanks, Dan. Dan's just pouring out some beer at the moment. I just want to make sure I don't get a...
01:12:22
Speaker
Oh, I almost used the word that I can't use on the podcast. Oh, yep. Don't do the Chris Cole. The cheap man's poor. That's what I was going to say. Thank you. What were you actually going to say? I can't say it. I'd have to bleep it out. We'll tell you later. Poor. Ah, he said it.
01:12:40
Speaker
But I bleeped at it all good. Yeah, the only problem I had is his accent is still quite Scottish. And it was a bit jarring. It's really fun when he's just like. I'll let you introduce that when you're ready. Yeah, it's Bruce Wayne swearing quite profusely. Oh, I love that. That dick. I loved it. And I actually said that in the chat channel, I think, to hear Bruce Wayne say fucking in a sentence was awesome. Yeah.
01:13:06
Speaker
I've only seen him sitting with Dick on the couch, sitting with Dick on the couch. Was there a pillow over the Dick? Sitting with Richard on the couch, having the conversation about using the San Francisco apartment.
01:13:22
Speaker
as the new Titan space. So I haven't seen what the scenes that you guys are talking about. But you do get his Scottish accent out of that very first scene. I felt a little bit odd. I didn't focus on that. I liked his Bruce Wayne. I think he's a bit too old for only to be too Robin's deep.
01:13:41
Speaker
That didn't come out right either. Dicks on the couch and two Robins deep. I'm two Robins deep boys. So I feel he's a little too old for that. But if they're not going to go that path and they're just going to focus on Nightwing and Jason Todd Robin, I'm fine with that. What's the actor's name?
01:14:02
Speaker
the new Bruce Wayne. Yeah. Ian Glenn. Ian Glenn. Because I could see him as like a Jeremy Irons style character, actor, playing that grizzled veteran. The one question I have is I haven't watched Titans at all. Wasn't Batman a villain at the end of season one? No. That was a hallucination thing. Yeah. And it was heavily implied that it was a hallucination. You kind of... Okay. Yeah. I wasn't sure because I just remember seeing footage of that and I wasn't sure. It wasn't heavily implied. It was.
01:14:29
Speaker
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. What are we drinking? Ah, yes. So this is, we got very lucky to get some of these cans. This is a collab between Hop Nation and Lervig. This is the bearded sale DDH double dry hopped hazy IPA comes in at 8%.
01:14:46
Speaker
the beer profile. The bearded seal found in Norway is a heavy set creature with large whiskers. This collab required a big beer. Double dry hop-tasy with all American hops. And to build on that, they added mango, passion fruit, and pineapple. I get a lot of mango out of it.
01:15:02
Speaker
Yeah, I took a four pack of these home, and I was a very happy boy. It's fucking amazing. Yeah, 8%. You would be a very happy boy. It's really fucking good. These motherfuckers have not let us down. No. True. They just keep banging it out. We're up to number four on the top 100, too, in Young Henry's New Towner. Oh, no. My top three's done. I rode on a coaster as well. That's it, Tom. Yeah, refreshing your screen. What do you think of the beer, Ben? I like it.
01:15:28
Speaker
I like it. You like it? Yeah. It's unusual. Let's convert Ben to double dry hops. Yeah, double dry hop. 8% neepers. You get that separation in the dry hopping process too. It's not too green, but you still get a lot of the hopping character. So the side is definitely my favorite from today.
01:15:51
Speaker
Use your words. It doesn't taste like beer for me. It tastes... You know, every girl that I've ever... I can drink this. Spend any time with that says I don't like beer, that's kind of my answer as well. If you get some good quality craft beer, it doesn't taste like the beer that you're describing. Yeah, it's not a commercial macro lager.
01:16:11
Speaker
Macrolugger, yeah, mass-produced fucking junk is usually how I... Yeah, exactly. But I mean, these low bitterness, super hoppy, fruited... They've got character. They've got flavor. They've got multi-levels of flavor and none of that harsh bitterness that if you're a cider drinker that's probably part of what you don't like about it is that harder bitterness side of it too. Yeah.
01:16:34
Speaker
Yeah, I can drink this. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Good choice, Tom. Good choice. And then we won't have time because we're kind of running out of stuff to talk about, but I recommend you guys have the sauce beer we have on tap as well. We're definitely going to. I think that'll be my next one after this. It uses that Sabro hop. So then you had a sour in a can. You had a secret sour in a can you've got two left of. Yeah, you can just have them.
01:16:55
Speaker
Oh, thank you. I'm gonna try one here. Yeah, just not on the podcast. That's right. That's Saburo. I tried one one of my friends made a forget what it was. It was it was a neeper of some sort, but it came out almost like strawberries and cream. Yeah, wow. It was the Saburo gave it a real sort of
01:17:14
Speaker
milky cream character and it was yeah it was really amazing actually I've never tasted it. Flavor or mouthfeel you're talking about? A little bit of both but I mean he did have lactose in it so it had that thicker body to it but the cream flavor
01:17:30
Speaker
that GZ's mics pick up a lot. Yeah, they do. The cream flavor that came from that hop, crazy. It was fucking cream and just, yeah, crazy. Any final topic or do you want to wrap it there? It's been a bit disjointed, but that's been- So we're waiting for Chris from Android?
Mandalorian and Titans Future Discussions
01:17:50
Speaker
Yeah, let's let's park that because we're gonna spend quite a lot of time talking about Mandalorian as a as a whole arc I mean we have already covered a few covered it twice. I think a few episodes. Yeah, we're We'll give it kind of a rasp to the end of the season. Yeah, okay Yeah, I'll just be interested. I wait till you guys see Titans I have a lot of questions about because I've never read any of the Titans books I don't know if you guys had so no
01:18:11
Speaker
I've seen some Teen Titans cartoons. I've never read specific titans, but I've read so much around them. Yeah. Yeah. I got a pretty good coverage on all that. I got a fucking boner when Superboy came in with crypto. You know, I want a white dog. See, I haven't seen crypto yet. I've seen Superboy, but I haven't seen, well, I haven't seen him in the show yet, but I've seen it in the trailers. And they're not rushing. I love that they're not rushing. And you'll understand what I mean when I say, when you, when you see it, but they're not.
01:18:39
Speaker
They're not hurrying through character development. They're not hurrying through exposition of those characters. They don't go, oh, look, you're broken. You were cloned yesterday. By the end of the next episode, you'll be like a fully functioning Titan who's going to be kicking ass and taking names. They're not rushing through it. Yeah, that's good. Guy spends two episodes in fucking bed. He's establishing a world and character. Oh, they do an excellent job of that. Yeah. There's just a few. I found a few of the later season episodes just like,
01:19:09
Speaker
It was one of those things, I don't usually binge watch TV shows, but I ended up smashing through Titans in like two days. It does have a very good hook in each episode that makes you want to watch another one. What I'm going to do when I go home is watch the 13th episode. I actually found the actual wrap up of season one very lackluster. That's what I had with season two. It was more confusing. I was just like, wait.
01:19:32
Speaker
Yeah yeah it did just the way Raven defeated the father it just was it did just it. Yeah it was a it was an anti climax to a whole season of build up. Yeah it felt like they got all the way there and she just farts black oil and he's dead.
01:19:48
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a bad case of bad kebabs. After a few Guinness. Yeah. That side of it was disappointing. And because they did such a build into, I thought the hallucinations of all the characters were great. Yes. And their darkest fears and giving in to that side of it was great. They're just getting warmed up, believe me. Okay. But having the one episode completely focused on Robin DeGrace's
01:20:20
Speaker
I like the final episode of last season and then have all the others just Not jammed in but they did them so well in such a short period like four or five others Yeah, but it was just really really well done. I cannot wait for the next recording where we can sit down and talk about Titans properly Yeah, because I will be another whole episode just on Titans
01:20:38
Speaker
I'm excited to see specifically your reaction, Dan, and Chris's as well as to the interplay between some of the major characters. I think they did something really cool and interesting. And I love that Netflix have the confidence to say, no, fuck it. We know we're going to be around for a while. We're going to make at least another season, if not two. It's not Netflix. I keep telling you that. Oh, it's purchased. Yeah.
01:21:02
Speaker
Right, okay. That's why the season had completely finished in America before we got it. Gotcha. Yeah, you did say that. It's on the DC streaming. Yeah, it started on stars in America and then Netflix purchased it here and then yeah, season one was on the DC, the thing in America. So Warner Brothers must be funding it.
01:21:21
Speaker
Yeah, right. I just like a series that has the confidence to say we're not in a rush. We're going to do this properly. With being purchased from Netflix, which I'm sure helps the monetary wise. Cool? All right. Sweet. I think that'll wrap us. Thank you, Tom, and your venue, and beers, and everything. Thanks very much, man. Thanks for coming down. And chips. Chips were really good. Chips. And to our lovely listeners. Yes. Thank you very much. Bye. Welcome back. Bye.